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00:01:41.000Which was a complete piece of media malpractice.
00:01:44.000And we had Jay Towns on, who's a career prosecutor, has read, I guess, dozens, hundreds, maybe even ATF reports.
00:01:52.000And he's back, and we're going to start the show with him because the ATF report has been made public now, and we want his help to kind of unpack what's in there.
00:02:02.000Jay, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:06.000So you are a career prosecutor, former U.S. attorney.
00:02:11.000You're a Contributor for Newsmax, a legal contributor there.
00:02:15.000So you have a great resume, you have a great background in this.
00:02:19.000Tell us what new evidence do we now know about because of this ATF report?
00:02:26.000Yeah, and as we suspected the last time we spoke, Andrew, that the ATF report and the Daily Mail headline were not going to even remotely match.
00:02:37.000And so, you know, and then the legacy media and the tinfoil hat crowd took that to mean that it is inconclusive whether or not the fragmented bullet found in Charlie Kirk's body.
00:02:50.000Was fired from the 30-odd six fired at the scene.
00:02:53.000They took that to mean that it did not match.
00:02:56.000In my career as a violent crimes prosecutor and as a U.S. attorney, I sat on the ATF governance board.
00:03:01.000I've read hundreds and hundreds of these ATF reports.
00:03:38.000What's interesting about that is all of the fired and unfired cartridges were all Remington.
00:03:45.000And so, you know, there are bunter marks on different batches.
00:03:48.000A bunter mark is, I expect, the next batch of evidence to be that the bunter marks will all match on those bullets, meaning they came from the same box, they came from the same.
00:04:01.000And those are marks put on the bullets by the manufacturer, not by the tool marking from the firearm.
00:04:07.000The final piece is that we know that the fired or the expelled shell casing, right, the one that we believe the bullet came from, we know that that shell casing was fired by that gun because of the tool marks that a gun makes when it fires a shell.
00:04:25.000It makes an imprint on the shell that is unique to that weapon.
00:04:29.000And so you fire a bunch of other shells with that weapon, and if it matches the expelled shell or the fired casing, then you know that that shell casing was fired by that weapon.
00:04:43.000So, look, it is beyond a reasonable doubt.
00:04:46.000It is to me beyond a mathematical certainty, which is way beyond the standard of a reasonable doubt, that that weapon was the one used to kill Charlie Kirk, and that the DNA all over that weapon, all over the shell casings, And whether they were spent or not, the towel itself that was all found in, the CCTV showing him egressing through that same area, right?
00:05:14.000And again, the tinfoil hat crowd, they must be just unraveling this morning because the tinfoil wasn't working this time, apparently.
00:05:24.000So just to kind of put a finer point on this, This, you came on the show last time, Jay, and you said the dog that didn't bark in that defense motion, which led to all of those crazy headlines, was the fact that the defense did not reference the caliber of the round in question.
00:05:45.000That to me is a dead tell that this was a.30 caliber round, which was everybody on all the naysayers are saying that this couldn't have been a 30 odd six.
00:05:56.000You're saying this report clearly says.
00:06:00.000That was a 30 caliber round, which is what a 30 odd six would be.
00:06:06.000And I would also say that the dog that didn't bite, what we have seen become public is that the defense and the state had motions in December and January, all referencing the 30 caliber class round that was taken at autopsy.
00:06:22.000And it references the September of 2025 ATF report, where it talks about all of the evidence that I just mentioned to include, and especially the 30 caliber round.
00:06:33.000So we were, I mean, look, saying result of comparison was inconclusive.
00:06:38.000The other thing they didn't say was that in that same paragraph, quote, could not be identified or excluded from the 30 yacht six.
00:06:46.000They left that out too and let the media sow the doubt that they so desperately need.
00:06:54.000But once we see the report and experts testify about the report, there really is no doubt that was the weapon that was fired to kill Charlie Kirk.
00:07:05.000So it is interesting to me that we got this because we got a defense motion back in December.
00:07:11.000And I guess it's a long motion, but if you've had a chance to look at it, the defense seems to be making requests about their right to examine that, like be present while they're examining the bullet or something like that.
00:07:27.000Have you gotten a chance to read that?
00:07:29.000Can you describe what they're looking for in this motion?
00:07:31.000So think about this in terms of any evidence, right?
00:07:34.000So when we test evidence, we lose evidence.
00:07:37.000Whether it's DNA, whether it's fingerprints, or in this case, we're talking about virtual comparison microscopy, where you actually are taking.
00:07:46.000Remember, you have a bullet that has been mushroomed, right?
00:07:50.000They want to pull that mushroom back up so they can look underneath it to see if they can see striations that would match the barreling on that 30 out of 6.
00:07:59.000Well, it's possible that when they pull it up, it snaps, breaks, and the evidence then there's less of it.
00:08:08.000At that point, and that is their objection to it.
00:08:11.000My personal opinion, we don't need to do the VCM testing at this point.
00:08:15.000I mean, there's just no doubt that that was the weapon that fired the round that killed Charlie Kirk.
00:08:21.000Now, if you, I mean, you can go happy to glad all day in evidence, but that's essentially what that motion was about.
00:08:29.000They also mentioned that they thought that there would be exculpatory evidence that they could come up with.
00:08:34.000I'm trying to find it, I don't know what it would be.
00:08:37.000You know, there's not an expert in the world.
00:08:40.000That is credible, that would testify that this wasn't a.30 caliber class round because all you do is measure the diameter of what is a very intact diameter of the base of that round that was found at Charlie, right?
00:08:55.000It's not a.22 caliber class that came from a.223 or an M16, for instance, a.22 rifle.
00:09:02.000And so it was a.30 caliber class, 30 yacht six, DNA all over it.
00:09:07.000There's just too many straight lines that lead to Tyler Robinson.
00:09:10.000And we haven't even started talking about all the admissions that he has made.
00:09:14.000In writing to friends and to his lover, Twiggs.
00:09:18.000Jay, your level of expertise on this stuff and the ATF reports specifically are so important right now.
00:09:25.000So I'm just going to read a few lines from this.
00:09:29.000Fox article that they came out and they're now reporting on this.
00:09:33.000So they said that the firearms, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, explosives that could not conclusively match a bullet fragment to the suspected murder weapon, but confirmed a match with the spent casing.
00:09:51.000It makes sense that it's so badly damaged that there might be limitations on what you can do with those fragments, but they can confirm it's a 30 cal and they can confirm a match with the spent casing.
00:10:03.000In your opinion, your legal opinion, trying cases like this, how important is the spent casing?
00:10:08.000Because a lot's been made about the jacket of the bullet, the lead, or whatever.
00:10:14.000Well, both of those pieces of evidence are devastating to Tyler Robinson.
00:10:18.000When the ATF is the absolute best in the world at firearm and tool mark expert reports, firearms and tool mark expert reports.
00:10:27.000And what they look for as it relates to the round is the caliber class of the round and the striations, the rifling characteristics that may or may not exist.
00:10:35.000On that round at the time that it's recovered.
00:10:37.000They don't exist as of yet, unless they can do the virtual comparison microscopy.
00:10:49.000Okay, well, when that weapon fires that round, it impacts with the shell casing and it creates tool marks on the base of that shell casing.
00:11:06.000The bullet that was in it was fired by that rifle, and we know that that rifle was operable.
00:11:11.000All of that is incredibly important if you're going to suggest or the defense is going to be that it was a different weapon, right?
00:11:19.000Or it was a different type of weapon, a.22 caliber class, you know, an M16 instead of a.30 yacht 6 Mauser.
00:11:27.000So, ATF again, and don't forget, before people start now shifting their tinfoil hats and twisting their mustache from, well, maybe it was that rifle, but You know, the ATF is they've somehow corrupted the evidence.
00:11:41.000There is a chain of custody from the medical examiner to the autopsy to local law enforcement to the ATF and all the way back.
00:11:50.000So, all of this has been photographed from the very beginning to the very end under a microscope.
00:11:56.000And so, there's nobody that's going to be able to come in and say, Well, that's not the round they pulled from his body, it was something else.
00:12:03.000Again, evidence matters, the rules of evidence matter.
00:12:07.000The way we conduct ourselves in our criminal justice system.
00:12:10.000Is incredibly important and it is hard to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt.
00:12:14.000And I've done it over a hundred times.
00:12:16.000I've prosecuted well over 10,000 defendants, most of them to please.
00:12:19.000And it's an incredibly difficult standard.
00:12:22.000And so you can't have those little lapses in evidence.
00:12:29.000And this evidence, this report, which the defense counsel knew in September, I'm guaranteeing, at least by November of last year, is devastating to Tyler Robinson.
00:12:38.000Jay, I want to ask about another piece of evidence that came out.
00:12:42.000About a week ago, we got sort of an itemized list of all of the evidence they found when they were searching Tyler Robinson's home.
00:12:51.000Among other things, FBI agents found a handwritten letter that he gave to Lance Twiggs, the person he was in that relationship with.
00:13:00.000Said, among other things, Luna, which is what he called him, if you are reading this per my text, I am sorry.
00:13:06.000I left the house this morning on a mission and sent an auto text.
00:13:10.000I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence.
00:13:13.000I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk.
00:13:17.000I don't know if I will or have succeeded, but I hoped to make it home to you.
00:13:22.000It goes on like this for a while, and I love you always, Tyler.
00:13:27.000I guess this seems like a smoking gun.
00:13:31.000What possibly could the defense do in the face of something like this?
00:13:36.000As a prosecutor, have you seen defense teams try to get out of something like this?
00:13:41.000Well, I mean, let's presume that they're going to attack that Tyler Robinson wrote that note at all.
00:13:49.000But again, the evidence against Tyler Robinson is so overwhelming that allowing the Daily Mail.
00:13:59.000Or some of these bloggers online with podcasts to go ahead and try to sow doubt about the weapon or about some other person being involved.
00:14:10.000You know, that is really the best defense, that and delay.
00:14:15.000Because the actual physical evidence, the scientific evidence, the forensic evidence, the investigative evidence is overwhelming against Tyler Robinson.
00:14:31.000I don't know if the Dremel was found, but let's just say that it was.
00:14:34.000I bet you that the next time you have me on your show, there will be DNA, Tyler Robinson's DNA, found on that Dremel tool that carved whatever those messages were into the shell casings.
00:14:51.000I don't know if they found a Dremel or not, but if they did, that's just more, you know, in the planning that went into this and the effort and the time that it took, the diabolical nature of Tyler Robinson.
00:15:10.000And I say that as a professional prosecutor for 30 years.
00:15:13.000Jay, you know, I think about you said the best defense that they have is either to delay, which is what they did with that defense motion, which led to the whole, you know, that's what they were asking for, which led to the whole Daily Mail debacle.
00:15:27.000And so I guess my question is or they're going to point to somebody else being involved, which, you know, there is evidence that.
00:15:37.000You know, people seem to know in advance that Charlie was going to, that there was going to be an attack on his life that day.
00:15:43.000There seems to be ample evidence of that.
00:15:46.000So apparently, there's still open investigations on those fronts.
00:15:51.000What would that do if they did find somebody else had advanced knowledge and didn't inform the police or maybe tried to radicalize him?
00:15:59.000Would that be a helpful thing for the defense?
00:16:03.000Is that, I just want to know what that means in the trial.
00:16:07.000I mean, it wouldn't be helpful for the defense.
00:16:09.000Remember, there's a very big difference.
00:16:10.000Between I knew and said nothing and I somehow engaged in acts in furtherance of the murder, right?
00:16:19.000Even if you gave somebody a ride or dropped them off or helped them hide something, you know, that would all be part of what would be legally a conspiracy at that point.
00:16:28.000So those two things are very different and is very responsible of the Bureau and the ATF to be tracking that evidence down in the state of Utah.
00:16:37.000But I don't know that it matters much for Tyler Robinson if.
00:16:41.000You know, there's 200 more people involved as far as his defense goes.
00:16:47.000It matters to us, it matters to Erica, it matters to America.
00:16:51.000But Tyler Robinson's fate, I think, was sealed the moment, well, certainly the moment he pulled the trigger.
00:16:57.000But the moment that the FBI and the ATF engaged and started doing their job, that's when Tyler Robinson's fate was sealed because those are the best in the world.
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00:18:31.000All right, so I want to go through this.
00:18:33.000This is something near and dear to both Blake and I.
00:18:36.000And it was a story we were planning on getting to earlier in the week, but the DOJ has fired, I believe, four prosecutors, four lawyers in the DOJ that were weaponizing the FACE Act to go after pro lifers.
00:18:50.000And the details of this story are truly remarkable because it's so extraordinary.
00:18:57.000And it just shows, again, as we kind of make this case to you week in and week out.
00:19:05.000It's not worth dooming on some of the stuff you'd maybe don't like, or maybe there's a lack of enthusiasm in the base.
00:19:11.000There's so much good stuff happening every single day that if you would imagine comparing and contrasting that to what would our country be like if Kamala Harris was president, that you need to be aware of these things because it's critically important that you understand the good things that are happening and then maybe don't get the headlines, okay?
00:19:29.000So we have, they're just, it's an 800 plus page report that they released.
00:19:45.000We have an email where a DOJ prosecutor, one of the fired ones, Sanjay Patel, he referred to the National Abortion Federation's Michelle Davidson as a quote, MVP because what Davidson would do is send in pro life activists saying, hey, we don't like these activists.
00:20:10.000So, the Biden DOJ basically outsourced investigatory power and ability authority to the National Abortion Federation, an organization that all it does is push abortions, the killing of babies.
00:20:27.000Innocent, unborn children were getting butchered by this organization.
00:20:44.000They're literally putting these like dossiers together, shows a person's face, shows a close up, has their description, physical appearance, spouse, family, close associates.
00:21:11.000Freedom of access to clinic entrances, I think.
00:21:13.000And it basically is the same bill they actually used to go after.
00:21:17.000Don Lamont, because the left wanted to go after people who protested abortion clinics.
00:21:21.000And so the right sort of, as their pound of flesh, took out also protesting at churches.
00:21:28.000So this was, I mean, you look at this dossier, by the way, this is about the same thing that these militant far left groups do to our citizen journalists, by the way, that go out there so that when these activists are on the streets in Minneapolis or whatever, they can identify Savannah Hernandez or whoever, Cam Higbee, Nick Sortor.
00:21:47.000So this is what these militant left groups do.
00:21:50.000Is they create a dossier so that you can attack them and then in this case actually wield state power with prosecution.
00:21:57.000So they would actually, we have a jury questionnaire, by the way, in this report that the DOJ put together for one of the FACE Act cases involving pro life defendants Calvin Zastro, Chester Gallagher, Heather Edoni, Joel Curry, Justin Phillips, Eva Edel, and Eva Zastro.
00:22:15.000Those names I just named, those were pro lifers that were getting prosecuted by the DOJ over apparent FACE Act violations, which was probably a hoax.
00:22:24.000And the jurors were asked if they get their news from Daily Wire, Matt Walsh, and Daily Signal.
00:22:32.000So, these were the groups that were aggressively reporting on the weaponization of the FACE Act.
00:23:07.000There's so much stuff we could get into.
00:23:09.000Like people they were prosecuting, they were doing similar to J6, where you could have easily just indicted this person in a normal way, but as a stunt, they'll send heavily harmed FBI agents to kick down their door while their kids are there all screaming.
00:23:24.000They did that to a man, I believe, Paul Vaughn in Tennessee.
00:23:29.000They did that with him, Mark Houck, another one.
00:23:34.000Another thing that should be flagged, and this merits follow up investigation.
00:23:38.000A lawyer for the National Abortion Federation, their chief legal and strategy officer, was testifying before Congress to Chip Roy and claimed to them, actually, you know, we had pretty much no influence over Biden FACE Act prosecutions.
00:23:56.000So they claimed publicly to Congress they were not able to influence these things.
00:24:40.000Point two, the Biden DOJ collaborated with pro abortion groups to track pro life activists and their First Amendment activity.
00:24:48.000So Todd Blanch and the DOJ are saying this is their First Amendment rights that were violated.
00:24:55.000And yeah, you saw a tweet by Mary Margaret Olehan, who's done a great job covering this.
00:25:00.000Point three, the Biden DOJ prosecutors engaged in inappropriate conduct in comments, which is clear.
00:25:08.000Four, the Biden DOJ pursued more severe charges and significantly harsher sentences for peaceful pro life defendants than violent pro abortion defendants.
00:25:19.000And maybe that's worth getting into a little bit.
00:25:21.000You will remember stories of all of these people in the centers getting firebombed.
00:25:25.000The worst thing any of these people did is basically they did a, you know, when college students will like occupy the president's building on a campus.0.63
00:25:32.000They were doing that in abortion clinics.
00:25:33.000That's the worst thing any of these people did, they disruptively occupied a clinic.
00:25:38.000And then, yeah, we've had multiple cases.
00:25:41.000Yeah, pro abortion zealots will sucker punch people praying outside of clinics.0.90
00:26:22.000But I just want to underscore that fourth point that the Biden DOJ pursued more severe charges against peaceful pro life activists.
00:26:34.000Than they did for violent pro abortion defendants.
00:26:41.000So you would get a harsher sentence for praying too close to an abortion clinic.
00:26:47.000Or, yeah, to Blake's point, sometimes they would do sit ins and they understood that they were maybe going to get arrested, but it was kind of a protest.
00:26:56.000Like you're trying to disrupt the killing of innocent life.
00:27:00.000So they would sit there and they would pray.
00:27:02.000They would get a harsher sentence than the people who firebombed pregnancy centers.
00:27:12.000And point number five the Biden DOJ sought to provide funding to pro abortion groups, which, of course, that's what they do.
00:27:20.000So if you are a 501c3 that likes to murder little babies, they're going to make sure that you get all the money and funding you need, just like they give all the money and funding they need to the groups that help illegals game our asylum system.
00:27:34.000So, this is a really huge story because these people are now fired.0.72
00:28:40.000And I would wager to suggest this is the most pro life administration we have ever had.
00:28:45.000And so we need to be thankful for that.
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00:31:23.000So, RFK has been testifying on Capitol Hill this morning.
00:31:28.000And there were two pieces of news that I want to tie into the fact that this is the most pro life administration I believe that we've ever had, at least in modern American history, since the passage of Roe v. Wade, certainly.
00:31:54.000Is that the Biden administration was excluding an entire class of people because of their religious beliefs.
00:32:01.000We are, and told the states to actually pass laws, instructed them to pass laws, refusing families who had religious, certain religious beliefs, mainly Christian religious beliefs, not be allowed to have children.
00:32:16.000And that dramatically constricted the pool of available parents.
00:32:21.000So I want to make sure you caught what he just said there at the end.
00:32:24.000The Biden administration was restricting adoptions for Christian families.
00:32:49.000Christians are the ones most prone to have their hearts moved by God to go adopt a baby that needs a home and that needs love.
00:32:57.000And they were biased against Christian families.
00:33:00.000So, once again, tying it into our theme, if you're tempted to complain about this or that, and that's fine, you can have policy disagreements, you can complain about certain things, you can hold the administration's feet to the fire.
00:33:14.000But just remember what we were living under this sort of soft tyranny, this behind the scenes tyranny, where a Christian family would have gone and said, Our hearts are moved to adopt a baby that needs a family.
00:33:26.000And the Biden administration actively worked.
00:33:30.000To exclude Christian families from the adoption market pool.
00:33:35.000That's so evil, it's hard to put into words.
00:33:40.000So, RFK was making a point that more babies are being adopted now, and you can have multiple maybe in some homes overturning Biden era policies.
00:33:50.000I don't know if you have a thought on that.0.52
00:34:49.000Christians tend to vote Republican, first of all, and Christians stand in the way of their communist takeover of the country.0.84
00:34:56.000So they don't want babies going into Christian homes, even if they need adoption, even if they need love, even if they need a roof over their head.0.94
00:35:03.000They would rather not allow more babies to become Christian because that doesn't play well with their future vision of America.0.83
00:35:11.000The left, since the French Revolution, has always been anti Christian.0.62
00:35:14.000They were in France, they were in Soviet Russia.
00:35:17.000It has always been a core part of its agenda.0.96
00:35:58.000And we are now in the process of trying to find those children.
00:36:02.000We've been able to locate 138,000 of them.
00:36:06.000So, just to wrap this up, and then we have some breaking news.
00:36:09.000The Trump administration has located almost 140,000 missing kids out of the 425,000 missing unaccompanied minors that the Biden administration has.
00:36:20.000They were waving kids in, alleged kids in, and just letting them disappear into America.
00:36:47.000We have breaking news just happened a few minutes ago.
00:36:50.000So we covered with the chapter leader at Utah Valley the other day how they got a commencement speaker who had attacked Charlie after his death, tried to explain why people might be celebrating his death, why people might.
00:37:02.000That's why he was a figure of bigotry and hate, and we criticize that.
00:37:06.000Utah Valley just announced minutes ago they will have no commencement speaker for this spring.
00:37:13.000Now, here's what's annoying they say it's not because oh, we picked a terrible speaker and that was our bad, they say they have increased safety concerns about what happened.
00:37:24.000So, of course, basically, it's our fault we were engaged in menacing behavior, they say.
00:37:30.000Uh, but regardless, hey, it's a speaker they shouldn't have chosen.
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00:40:12.000We've got the names there for you, the phone numbers.
00:40:17.000I'm so glad that you led this charge because there has been a vote to give, to extend temporary protected status to hundreds of thousands of Haitian migrants that Joe Biden led in.
00:40:32.000And their rationale and why you're so passionate about this issue.
00:40:36.000Well, a lot of people have given the idea that these are valuable workers.
00:40:40.000They're working in the healthcare industry, making sure to take care of our seniors, and we have to keep them around because also it's just too dangerous.
00:40:46.000We actually had some representatives say that it was a death sentence to send these people back to Haiti.1.00
00:40:53.000The incredible thing is the problem with Haiti, the reason it's dangerous is because Haitians live there.0.96
00:40:59.000It's on an island that is divided.1.00
00:41:03.000Between two different countries, and one of them is just fine.
00:41:05.000The Dominican Republic, I wouldn't want to live there, but it's okay.0.97
00:41:08.000And then there's Haiti, and it's been a nightmare its entire existence.
00:41:11.000So it's not socioeconomic factors, it's not the land.0.99
00:41:15.000This is a group of people who have a high propensity towards violence, and they don't belong in the United States, yet they're kept here.1.00
00:41:22.000In fact, there's such a danger involved that recently a woman in my area of Florida was beaten to death with a hammer by a Haitian immigrant.1.00
00:41:32.000We do not need people here who have a violent history who don't belong here.0.76
00:41:36.000And the idea that because it's too dangerous to go back to the very place that was made dangerous by many of these people, or that somehow keeping them around for economic benefit is ultimately justified, is insane.
00:41:48.000This is not why people supported Donald Trump.
00:41:50.000It's not why people supported the Republican Party.
00:41:54.000And the fact that Maria Salazar is yet again leading the charge on a horrific immigration related bill really tells us that we need to be very careful about who's getting endorsements and who's ultimately getting support from Donald Trump and the Republican Party.
00:42:30.000And there was no, we can't tell from the footage that anything incited this violence.
00:42:36.000It seems to be a completely random act of violence.
00:42:40.000And we have instance after instance after instance of law abiding, peaceful Americans that have been killed, maimed, murdered by.1.00
00:42:49.000Illegals by foreigners that have no business to be here.0.99
00:42:52.000Illegals led in by Biden, given quasi amnesty, given asylum seekers, given free housing.0.98
00:42:59.000And yeah, it's every month, every two months, we just drumbeat another one of these murders.0.80
00:43:04.000Yeah, well, and what's insane about this, and actually JD Vance has made good comments about this, is the left will come back, Oren, and they'll say, well, they aren't illegals.0.70
00:43:12.000They're legally here because of temporary protected status.
00:43:28.000And you can't just wave a wand as the Biden administration and say, because we sprinkled some fairy dust over these people, now they're here legally.
00:45:03.000They will, on average, be net negatives for this country to pay to bring them in, pay to support them, pay to investigate the crimes we commit, pay to imprison them.
00:45:15.000I really want to dive into specifically the insanity of this temporary protected status thing that they're trying to extend by statute for them.
00:45:22.000Haiti has been under temporary protected status since 2011 because there was that earthquake in Haiti, 2010.
00:46:15.000So, why are six GOP House members, again, Don Bankett, Brian Fitzpatrick, Mike Lawler, Maria Elvira Salazar, who, by the way, said the Dignidad Act is not amnesty?0.98
00:46:27.000And then she turns around and tries to give amnesty to hundreds of thousands of Haitians.
00:46:30.000Carlos Jimenez from Florida's 28th, and Nicole Maliotakis from New York's 11th District.
00:46:36.000Why are they throwing in with Democrats to extend temporary protected status?
00:46:42.000Again, I think a lot of them will give you some kind of false answer about the dangers to the community if they go back or what their economic output is.
00:46:50.000The truth is, ultimately, these people are trying to get votes.
00:46:54.000They understand that if they stay long enough, these people are going to get some kind of citizenship.
00:46:58.000They're going to get some kind of amnesty.
00:46:59.000We've got the 14th Amendment and the birthright citizenship case in front of the Supreme Court right now.
00:47:06.000As long as these people have kids in the United States, they're going to be here and those kids are going to get to vote.
00:47:10.000And these people know that ultimately this is going to secure them political power.
00:47:13.000That's what it's really all about.0.53
00:47:15.000It's ethnic patronage that's going to guarantee you some kind of political power down the line.0.64
00:47:20.000And it's a betrayal of Americans, it's a betrayal of Republican voters.
00:47:23.000Orin, there were some comments here by Pope Leo that are a little bit frustrating to hear.
00:47:39.000I know that in Europe there are many times fears that are present but oftentimes generated by people who are against immigration and trying to keep out people who may be from another country, another religion, another race.
00:47:58.000And in that sense, I would say that we all need to work together.
00:48:02.000One of the values of this trip is precisely to raise the world's attention to the possibility that dialogue and friendship between Muslims and Christians is possible.0.81
00:48:15.000So, lifting up Lebanon as an example of why it's okay to have a bunch of Muslims immigrate into Europe, and it's all going to be okay, Oren.
00:49:00.000I was on with Chris Cuomo on his show yesterday, and he sort of said, as a Catholic, I'm offended that some of the comments that JD Vance made about the pope and the delineation between, you know, I guess his theological commentary and his political commentary.
00:49:18.000But it all kind of feels like it's, you know, it's.
00:49:24.000You know, you might couch it in theological terms, but it feels political.
00:49:27.000Now, Blake gets a freebie because he's Catholic, but Oren, you and me, we are not Catholic.
00:49:32.000Where do you think the line is as Protestants?
00:49:34.000I mean, I want to bring the Catholics and Protestants together.
00:49:37.000I feel like there's this effort to sort of put a wedge between us.
00:49:40.000So we're very ecumenical on this show.0.84
00:49:42.000But man, if he keeps saying we need to just like let in all these Muslims come into the West, I feel like I have to speak up because this is getting out of control.
00:49:55.000I think it's really important, and I think many Catholics already know this, but I think it's important that everyone drives this home for us to just recognize that there are huge problems inside of every denomination right now.
00:50:05.000I'm a Southern Baptist, and while luckily we don't have someone like the Pope up there talking, it's not like evangelical Christians don't have some pretty bad examples going around right now.
00:50:15.000So it's okay if we just all take a moment to maybe get that log out of our own eye before we start yelling about the spec.0.53
00:50:24.000I think both Protestant and Catholics have a lot of work to do.
00:50:27.000That said, Catholics need to become, you know, more comfortable with people going after the Pope when he says something stupid.
00:50:35.000If you turn around and tell me that, you know, Paula White is saying something crazy and needs to be ignored, that's not going to offend me as a Protestant.
00:50:43.000I'm going to be okay and my feelings will not get hurt.
00:50:46.000And I think we need to treat the Pope the same way.
00:50:48.000I understand it's a little harder for Catholics.0.78
00:50:50.000They have one unified command structure.
00:50:53.000So, you know, any individual person isn't as embarrassing for the Different Protestant denominations, as where the Catholic really only have one guy that they kind of are looking towards when it comes to this kind of stuff.
00:51:04.000But we all need to be able to take a step back and say, look, let's solve these problems inside our own churches.
00:51:10.000And if someone notices that one of the people who are leading one of our churches or the entire church is saying something dumb, let's not get offended when they point out and that's correct.
00:51:22.000If the Pope is going to come out and say something stupid about immigration, about politics, then it is all right.
00:51:28.000To say, no, that's dumb, and you're entering into a realm you should not be playing in, and that's going to come with consequences.0.62
00:51:34.000We're going to push back on that, and that doesn't mean we're attacking Catholics worldwide any more than having comments about Paula White is attacking all Protestants.0.93
00:51:45.000It's just, yeah, it is what frustrates me the most.0.93
00:51:50.000I'll have a lot more tolerance for the Pope weighing in on something that actually matches with two millennia of Catholic teaching, because the core of the church's truth claim is that it's had the same message for a long time.
00:52:01.000So, for example, I checked, and the Pope also criticized when J.B. Pritzker legalized assisted suicide in Illinois, for example.0.57
00:52:17.000And if you want to say we've always favored peace, that's fine.0.63
00:52:20.000But saying actually you have to embrace mass immigration from Muslim countries, you have to have amnesty for illegal immigrants, that is not a Catholic position.0.63
00:52:34.000You know, what about the reconquest of Spain?
00:52:37.000It was a 7th century effort to push the Muslim conquerors out of Spain.0.96
00:52:43.000Is that a bad thing that Spain is now Christian and Catholic?0.95
00:52:47.000For that matter, I mean, I just, none of this actually comports with what I've seen historically.
00:52:52.000I mean, I think there's another issue with the Pope that drives a lot of us nuts is that this selective outrage, where he's going to Algeria, he's talking about Muslims and Christians uniting and coexisting in peace and harmony, which has not been the case anywhere.
00:53:07.000Lebanon, by the way, used to be almost 70% Christian.
00:53:11.000Now it's about 29% Christian because guess what?
00:53:15.000A lot of Christian Lebanese have had to flee their home country.
00:53:18.000Because of persecution, harassment, and violence.
00:53:49.000Of diversity writ large all over the world.
00:53:52.000And it's annoying and frankly a little obnoxious and clueless for the Pope to say, why don't you all look at this country that's not awesome and try to imitate them?
00:54:08.000And the funny thing is the Catholic Church recognized this.0.91
00:54:11.000Remember, Europe would be Muslim if not for Charles Martel killing a lot of Muslims.0.91
00:54:18.000If Charlemagne had not ultimately conquered the Saxons with the sword, They never would have become Christian.0.93
00:54:23.000Let's not even start with the defensive wars of the Crusades.
00:54:27.000Obviously, there's a long history of the church being involved in very serious conflict, in often cases, protection of the faith of believers.
00:54:37.000There's absolutely nothing wrong with fighting against those who oppose and want to destroy Christendom.
00:54:43.000Like, that's actually what the church should be there to do.0.54
00:54:46.000So, when you have a pope running around saying, actually, this is never justified and you have to let Muslims into your land, He is literally working in the exact opposite way that the Catholic Church has worked for centuries.
00:54:58.000There's simply no reason to be pushing this unless you're just pushing a liberal worldview under the guise of Catholic theology.
00:55:06.000And I think pretty much everyone, Protestant and Catholic, is exhausted with that.
00:55:23.000All right, this might seem weird coming from somebody who's a little bit younger, but if you are about to turn 65 or if you're already on Medicare, this message is for you.
00:55:33.000You see, Charlie cared a lot about America's seniors, and he was outraged that so many were paying too much for their Medicare coverage and getting less than they deserved in return.
00:57:09.000And I never thought that I'd be gone for three months, but then you just have the most perfect little baby in the world, and you're like, Oh, I predicted you weren't going to come back at all.
00:57:18.000I did take off a little more time than I thought I was going to, but I didn't just not work.
00:57:23.000Also, so much of our work has to do with the news and politics that I was just like out of it completely.
00:57:30.000Did you find that your happiness quotient was higher 1,000 percent?
00:57:34.000I was like, oh, you don't have to be like bogged down by the news every day.
00:57:40.000It was amazing, but then you kind of step back into reality and you're like, wait, gas prices are like way higher and we're in some sort of war and something happened in Hungary and also Trump is tweeting at the Pope.
00:59:41.000But the guy they ran against him to finally take him down, they did run a guy who was an ex member of his party.
00:59:48.000He was kind of on the right in a lot of ways.
00:59:50.000It's sort of like if the Democrats kept losing to Donald Trump and they finally ran maybe Mitt Romney or something as their candidate.
00:59:58.000And so just the other day, the new president, the new prime minister of Hungary came out and said, Yeah, even though I'm in charge now, we're still not passing the European Union's migration agreement.
01:00:09.000In fact, I'm going to increase enforcement on immigration, and the border wall will get.
01:01:25.000We, of course, had the strikes last summer.
01:01:27.000And then, yeah, about six, seven weeks ago, right at the start of March, end of February, They did strikes on Iran, basically said they're getting closer to a nuclear weapon, and they did a, they call it a decapitation strike.0.67
01:01:45.000And then as that war broke out, Israel, who's been our ally fighting Iran, they also started, they moved troops into southern Lebanon, and they started doing strikes on Lebanon.
01:01:55.000The reason they did that is there's a group called Hezbollah, and Hezbollah is a militia.
01:02:02.000Kind of a private army, a non state army of Shia Muslims.
01:02:06.000That's the same religion they have in Iran.
01:02:08.000And they've been in conflict with Israel for ages.0.82
01:02:12.000And I think Israel basically saw this war is also our chance to take out Hezbollah.
01:02:16.000Hezbollah is considered a proxy of the Iranian regime.
01:02:43.000When we started that attempted ceasefire with Iran a couple weeks ago, there was a dispute because Israel continued to bomb Lebanon and they said Lebanon's not part of the ceasefire.
01:02:54.000Iran says it should be part of the ceasefire.
01:03:08.000Which actually was such an educational conversation, the one you and I had about Iraq, because I was like seven years old.
01:03:13.000I learned so much about the different.
01:03:17.000Like war gang allies that I would have never known about.
01:03:21.000If it makes you feel better, all the different alliances and rivalries and hatreds in the Middle East are really complicated, even to me, even to the State Department.
01:07:01.000Something that I did want to address because I feel like we know that Charlie would have loved this.
01:07:05.000So there's a Page Six exclusive that came out that Taylor and Travis have set their wedding date, and it's July 4th weekend in New York City.
01:09:09.000We talked about it in an AMA about how she was.
01:09:11.000Someone wrote in and asked if she was really excited to get married and settle down.
01:09:15.000I also have to say, this, I think, what I was going to say without wanting to get canceled is that you asked if her fan base is actually going to start getting married.
01:09:28.000The issue is that they might not have been setting themselves up to get married this entire time in the same way that Taylor Swift was because they had so bought into the feminism girl boss thing.0.87
01:09:37.000Even though that's not what we were trying to tell Charlie this whole time, that's not what Taylor Swift was bought into.
01:09:41.000And so now she's getting married, and they all might be trying to look in some slim pickings for men to get married to now.
01:09:49.000Oh, you think they've aged out of the prime dating pool?
01:09:54.000That's what I was saying without wanting to say it.
01:10:39.000Remember when we talked about love is blind on Thought Crime, but you can only hear their voice and you can't ask any questions about what they look like?
01:10:45.000He's been taking his strong self for a while now.
01:12:11.000Alex Cooper posted a video on Monday saying, Alex, make a video saying exactly what happened between us, and we'll see what the public decides whose side they're on.
01:12:22.000Because everyone that speculated that it's all financial, Alex's dad was her manager and canceled the contract between the two of them.
01:12:29.000But what is interesting and how this does circle back is Alex Earl's dad is married to a woman named Ashley Dupree, who was a part of a prostitution scandal, and I think.
01:12:39.0002008 with the New York mayor Eric Spritzer.
01:12:42.000Does anyone remember what I'm talking about?
01:12:44.000Uh, there was an Elliot Spitzer, yes, yes, him.
01:12:48.000He oh, he had a prostitution, yeah.0.56
01:12:51.000I think it was like a ten thousand dollar an hour madam that he got in trouble with.
01:12:55.000Well, this is Alex Earl's stepmom now.
01:13:01.000Is she like Alex Cooper where she's with crass and she's less crass, but she is very party girl, drinking a lot, going out with her friends.0.52
01:13:10.000She then she went on dancing with the stars.
01:13:12.000And she's kind of settling into more of a normal life.
01:13:14.000She was dating a football player, and now I think she's seeing more.