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00:01:42.000Well, there was a great press conference that just aired, and we're going to get some clips to that at some point in this hour where RFK and some of the other members of the administration are staying on the fraud beat and they've got billions accounted for and over 455 potential indictments.
00:02:56.000District Judge Sparkle Sukhnanan, in a plea of former President Joe Biden, said officials across numerous government agencies haphazardly, quote, combined and repurposed the private information of millions of Americans, including citizenship data that they knew to be unreliable, end quote, in order to comply with President Trump's March executive order attempting to overhaul federal.
00:03:42.000She didn't fully strike down the order, but she issued a 75 page ruling that blocked and set aside Trump, the Trump administration's overhaul of the SAVE system, which is a systemic.
00:03:55.000Yeah, so what it is is, first of all, a part of what's at the root of this is you need to be a citizen to vote.
00:04:01.000And yet, bafflingly enough, we don't have a central database in the U.S. that just says, here is everyone who's a citizen of the United States.
00:04:10.000And so the Trump administration has been trying to build this.
00:04:12.000So, SAVE, that system originally existed to check if you're eligible for various federal benefits because if you're foreign born and all that, you shouldn't.
00:04:20.000And they're trying to repurpose this so that they can detect likely ineligible people.
00:04:25.000They don't just flag you and ping it and say, you have to take this person off the voter rolls.
00:04:28.000They'd ping it and say, This person might not be a citizen because they're registering as not eligible for these programs.
00:04:34.000And they've run millions of people through these, and I think they found about 20, 21,000 potential non citizens through this.
00:04:43.000And some people are saying, well, I'm a citizen, and they caught me with this.
00:04:46.000And so this judge is saying it's intruding on your privacy rights, on your privacy rights for the federal government to use your federal information, your social security number, your eligibility for federal programs.
00:04:59.000It's illegal for the federal government to use that to check if you can be a voter.
00:05:02.000It gets at the root of this insanity here.
00:05:05.000We have this foreign judge Sparkle come in and say, Sukhnanan, say it violates the law, probably the Constitution, for the federal government to use your information that you use to interact with the government to see if you can vote for who runs the government and makes the government's laws.
00:05:23.000And the deeper truth here, which we all love to highlight, is ultimately they will always find this excuse because the Democrats can't articulate a justified reason to.
00:05:44.000So let's just lay out the facts of what this March executive order that President Trump signed does.
00:05:52.000So it creates state citizenship lists, directs the Department of Homeland Security, USCIS, and the Social Security Administration to compile and send each state a list of confirmed U.S. citizens.
00:06:35.000So they are pushing back on this based on notions of federalism and separation of federal and state authority, but that's garbage, actually.
00:06:45.000Now, on some level, you need the states to administer a federal election because we have a federal system, but the states answer to the federal government, all right?
00:06:56.000And to Blake's point, they will always find a legal rationale to block it if they want to block it, not because the law instructs them to, but because they are fundamentally against this.
00:07:14.000And that we can't enforce citizenship tests.
00:07:17.000We had another foreign judge whose ruling was upheld yesterday that the Trump administration can't block SNAP benefits from being spent on junk food.
00:07:25.000That was, I believe, a Korean board judge ruled on that one.
00:07:28.000And that makes approximately zero sense.
00:07:42.000And the deeper thing here is if they're not going to allow the federal government to check this, they're essentially saying states should have the exclusive authority to decide if someone's a citizen.
00:07:51.000And one of the problems here is not just that Democrat run states don't want to check this, but they're willing to do more sinister behavior.
00:07:57.000A lot of these states, they want to create a system, for example, where your driver's license can be a presumptive proof of citizenship.
00:08:05.000And yet, blue states will just give a full driver's license to an illegal immigrant.
00:08:11.000We're getting very close to the point where I think a sufficiently gutsy person could just go out and say, I am a citizen, and here's all the proof that I got this from the California state government.
00:08:21.000And they basically just make themselves a citizen.
00:08:23.000Without ever actually being naturalized.
00:08:25.000Well, and here's where this ties into a current debate that's ongoing now that Kamala Harris, of all people, sparked by saying it's time to get rid of the Electoral College.
00:08:36.000Now, we'll play the clip and we'll continue on explaining why this is a really terrible idea.
00:11:36.000So, this is garbage, though, from Jameel Hill.
00:11:39.000Okay, there is a vague connection in the sense that the Electoral College, the allotment of electoral votes per state, is based on congressional representation.
00:11:50.000And I guess she's going back to the three fifths compromise to do that.
00:12:19.000In fact, it specifically protects us from what the left has been doing.
00:12:24.000In recent history, because the left has, first of all, they've imported a gigantic number of foreigners to prop up their populations, and they've made their states increasingly intolerable to any ordinary middle class person, which is why they leave.
00:12:39.000Which is why the census is reflecting that and will continue to, that people are voting for free.
00:12:43.000New York and California, they have high populations, but extremely heavily foreign populations.
00:12:48.000Native born people keep moving out, and they just keep propping up their population with endless importation of more foreigners, more foreigners, more foreigners.
00:12:56.000And so we're getting a situation where.
00:12:58.000Their ratio of people who can vote to overall population is all askew.
00:13:03.000They have a higher number of illegal immigrants, a higher number of non citizen legal immigrants there.
00:13:07.000And they just have these states that are intolerable.
00:13:10.000So they're basically one party states.
00:14:29.000So the Supreme Court just ruled, this is breaking news, in a 6 3 decision, SCOTUS rules that DHS, Can strip green card holders and lawful permanent residents of their legal status if they leave the country and travel abroad while they are facing criminal charges, even if they are just pending and not convicted yet.
00:16:13.000Second, I mean, the crazy thing, I'm just checking the polling because I would have thought they always say the person who lost, they're the favorite for the next time around.
00:16:37.000They want to reduce all the checks and balances against their cheating.
00:16:41.000And then they have the gall to say that it's Red Stage cheating.
00:16:44.000This is a bad ideas brainstorm, and that's the whole point.
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00:18:29.000That we have the Save America Act, that we have been pushing so hard, and it's been a whole buildup this show about why it is the critical piece of legislation for this country.
00:18:40.000So let's just start there, Senator, because this debate has been going on so long.
00:18:43.000I want people to remember how we got here.
00:18:45.000Why is this so important, and why have you been like a dog with a bone?
00:18:49.000We need the Save America Act for a few independent reasons.
00:18:53.000First, because of the National Voter Registration Act 1993, known as the Motor Voter Law, and the way it was interpreted a couple decades after its enactment.
00:19:03.000It's now far too easy for non-citizens to register to vote and subsequently to vote in federal elections, even though federal law prohibits it, because the Supreme Court wrongly but conclusively interpreted that statute as prohibiting the states from doing any citizenship verification when somebody registers to vote at a DMV, which is how most people register to vote these days.
00:19:25.000We also accelerated the need for it with more and more states issuing driver's licenses to non-citizens and in many cases, even to known illegal aliens.
00:19:35.000with the border being open for four years under President Biden, with the fact that we've got now 30 million plus non-citizens in the United States, and we've got threats to our election security all over the place.
00:19:47.000As you noted, Judge Sparkle yesterday in that order, notice what she did.
00:19:53.000She didn't just say, let's make sure that non-citizens aren't being removed.
00:19:56.000She said, no, this whole database that's maintained in the Department of Homeland Security, known as the SAVE database, which can be used by the states to help clean out their voter registration files, to cross-check to see if they're citizens.
00:20:09.000She ordered the whole thing shut down rather than just trying to make sure that there were safeguards in place to protect citizens from being removed.
00:20:19.000Meanwhile, the election system in place in California, as evidenced in the last couple of weeks by the L.A. mayor's election, California still hasn't certified its final outcome there.
00:20:31.000There's very few people who I know who look at that and say that bodes well for election security in America.
00:22:05.000You know, there's going to be a president is going to be at this meeting, a steering meeting in the Senate tomorrow, meeting with GOP senators.
00:22:12.000And he's going to be pushing this issue.
00:22:44.000We had 51 before Senator Tillis changed his vote.
00:22:46.000But regardless, even with 50, that means that JD Vance, as vice president of the United States, could supply a tie-breaking vote in a simple majority passage scenario.
00:22:56.000But meanwhile, we're stuck with Democrats refusing to give us the votes for cloture.
00:23:01.000That takes 60 votes to get to cloture, simple majority passage, but 60 votes to force debate to a close.
00:23:07.000And that leaves us with two options if we want to pursue this, which I think we should.
00:23:11.000The first option would be to nuke the filibuster, which involves changing the Senate precedent so that we could immediately pass it by a simple majority.
00:23:19.000It does not appear that we've got support for that, even though I would support that option.
00:23:23.000But the other one would be to keep the Save America Act on the floor, keep debating it, and promise to stay on it until it passes, taking away Democrats' weekends and long scheduled recesses until enough of them are willing to negotiate.
00:23:38.000That's how filibusters used to be broken in the past, separate and apart from the cloture process, which used to be rare.
00:23:45.000And it's also how the Civil Rights Act got passed.
00:23:47.000We can do it again, especially whereas here we've got a bill that's a lot more popular with the American people than it is among Democrats in Congress, the only group of people.
00:24:16.000The question then becomes this issue with Thune.
00:24:20.000I'm seeing in Punchbowl, you quote tweeted it.
00:24:23.000He's saying, I hope that people on that issue speak up, Thune told us, read the Filibuster Save Act, because I'm not saying anything that isn't a view that would.
00:24:30.000Wouldn't be shared or articulated by a lot of my colleagues.
00:24:33.000It's always helpful if others speak up and it's not just me.
00:24:36.000I think what a lot of Americans want, and I actually do believe that Thune, if he had the votes, he would do what he had to do because he knows the pressures on him.
00:24:46.000He knows the pressures on the president.
00:24:47.000But I think what the American people want, Senator, is we want to know who's who.
00:24:52.000Who are the other senators that are fighting us on this?
00:24:55.000And is there going to be an opportunity?
00:24:58.000You know, President Trump has threatened to name names.
00:25:08.000The voters want to know who's blocking this.
00:25:10.000I would imagine that those who speak out one way or another on this tomorrow, in that meeting with President Trump and Senate Republicans, will self identify.
00:25:22.000But look, regardless of who speaks in which direction, I do think it's important to recognize a couple of things.
00:25:28.000First of all, as you point out, it's not an easy situation.
00:25:31.000I grasp the fact that we don't have 60 votes, I fully get that.
00:25:35.000I also get that in many circumstances, that signals that it's not something that we're likely to get passed.
00:25:42.000This is a rather unique opportunity, though, where number one, our election security requires us to take aggressive action.
00:25:49.000Number two, we've got a bill that is really popular among Americans.
00:25:53.000Like three out of four American voters, Democrats and Republicans combined, support measures like this one, and they want that done.
00:26:02.000Number three, it gets more popular over time, more popular as it's debated, especially because the Democrats Arguments against it don't land.
00:26:11.000I have yet to hear a legitimate argument against them.
00:26:15.000And so I'm not purporting to claim that this would be easy.
00:26:20.000I'm not purporting even to claim that I know exactly how this would turn out.
00:26:24.000What I am saying is, in this rare moment, I think it would benefit all of us, particularly Senate Republicans, to stand up for the American people and to use some unconventional tactics to try to get this passed.
00:26:40.000Sometimes this is what you have to do.
00:26:43.000In order to continue the fight on something rather than just taking a knee and saying, well, we don't have 60 votes now, so let's not even try.
00:26:51.000It's a very different thing for people to say, I'm filibustering it, as in I would vote against cloture.
00:26:56.000It's very different for them to do just that than it is to say, okay, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.
00:27:02.000I'm willing to go back to the Senate floor day after day and continue making arguments against a bill that the overwhelming majority of Americans along.
00:27:13.000Political lines across this great country support this.
00:27:19.000And I think we could all benefit from that robust debate, which also has some potential for resulting in passage, just as it did in the case of the Civil Rights Act.
00:27:28.000We're at the end of that long process.
00:27:30.000It took weeks, but they started realizing this wasn't going to go away.
00:27:34.000You had a Senate Majority Leader in Senator Mike Mansfield at the time who said, we're going to keep debating this until it passes, and it worked.
00:27:41.000They were 30 votes shy of cloture, Andrew, when they took that up, when they came over from the House.
00:27:51.000I'm not saying I know exactly how this would turn out, but it could turn out that way, and we really should try.
00:27:56.000Well, and I think everybody has your back, Senator.
00:27:59.000I don't know anybody, I haven't talked to anybody who's like in real America who's like, Senator Lee is out over his skis here.
00:28:08.000We all want what you want, and you are our voice right now.
00:28:13.000So thank you for continuing to beat this drum.
00:28:15.000And I just want to, you know, we played a clip of Kamala Harris talking about no bad ideas, brainstorm in the previous segment, and they are talking about.
00:28:25.000They're talking about adding Puerto Rico in DC estates.
00:28:28.000They're talking about packing the Supreme Court.
00:28:31.000So I don't know what Senate Republicans are waiting for here because if they get power, they're going to absolutely destroy so many of the safeguards that have protected Americans like you and I. They're going to get rid of them.
00:28:44.000We know that because they've told us where they're going to go.
00:28:54.000Add states that they know believe will be consistently democratic, and they'll make a bunch of other changes because what they want to do, they want to form an institutional party, one that can be in power without interruption for decades.
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00:30:44.000Blake, tell us about the New York Times and Father's Day.
00:30:47.000We're a day late on this, but we wanted to hit it.
00:30:50.000We wanted to hit it because Sunday, of course, was Father's Day.
00:30:54.000America's Fathers, there, as we actually talked with Alex Berenson while you were out, fatherhood's under attack, it's undermined, it's not appreciated.
00:31:03.000And the New York Times decided they should show appreciation for Father's Day.
00:31:07.000So they published a comic guest essay by Zach Elams.
00:31:12.000To my daughter, my gender was never complicated.
00:32:04.000And meanwhile, you had Alex Berenson on about his new book on fatherhood.
00:32:08.000And, you know, I actually think, I don't know if you guys talked about this, but Alex has told me that Charlie helped inspire the fact that he was writing that.
00:33:08.000All the problems in the liberal elite establishment, why they have such contempt for masculinity, why they hated UFC 250 at the White House, why they can't stand warrior culture, why they were trying to transition the freaking military and the LGBTQI and gay poem reading and all of that stuff.
00:33:34.000This is why they call us, this is why they paint us as villains in the culture.
00:33:39.000This is why popular media went from seeing stand up dads that were strong and stable and wise, transitioning that to comic dads like Homer Simpson.
00:34:47.000They run their articles on being a trans dad, they run their articles on polyamory.
00:34:52.000One of the most sinister things the New York Times does is they're running this endless, low key pressure campaign to undermine conventional, functional marriages and families.
00:35:05.000And I think it's the most sinister thing they've done.
00:35:08.000And they've done it for years at this point.
00:35:10.000Why polyamory is the future of relationships a decade ago.
00:35:13.000And that's messed up a lot of people who read this and they get a worm in their brain and think that this is normal.
00:35:19.000And they've done it with the trans thing as well.
00:35:20.000Well, I think this is why what Charlie was doing was so important.
00:35:25.000It's why what we do at Turning Point is so important because there is a whole part of the country that has been left out of this conversation, completely sidelined by elite institutions like the New York Times.
00:35:36.000And that's why we have to keep pushing back at it.
00:35:37.000And that's why you have to keep being audacious and bold, confronting it because they hate strong men.
00:35:44.000They hate strong men because ultimately they know that that is what's going to defeat them.
00:35:48.000This is why young men swung so powerfully in Trump's direction in 2024.
00:36:35.000He's a liar, but it's also, they're trying to get a guy who can pass as a normal American man, and they inevitably end up with these weird freaks.
00:36:42.000Yeah, well, and this is what they did with Tim Waltz.
00:36:44.000Tim Waltz in Minnesota, they had him, you know, I guess shooting a shotgun, loading it wrong, shooting it wrong, and, you know, cosplaying as some like Hicklib.
00:36:56.000It didn't work, and it's not going to work because ultimately, and this is what's really funny about it.
00:37:01.000I think the New York Times did this accidentally.
00:37:04.000I don't think there was like some committee where they were like, we are going to only do this.
00:37:07.000What it does is it reveals the bias of the editors, that they can't even help themselves, that this is so ingrained deeply within the editorial discretion of the New York Times staff that they just accidentally did this, and it's obscene, and it's Comical, but it's true.
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00:42:08.000He got more emotional, he showed more humanity and emotion in his woe is me resignation speech on the steps of Downing Street than he did.
00:42:16.000Over the past two years of his premiership, this is a guy who is authoritarian, he's robotic, and it's testament to the fact that when he was a young, uh, sort of university student, he was the editor of a Marxist magazine at uni, and then he went for some reason, mysteriously, he's never explained why, to visit a Soviet training camp in Czechoslovakia.
00:42:36.000So, look, he is definitely of a Marxist persuasion.
00:42:39.000But the problem with Keir Starmer is that he is a man with no ideology, really, no agenda, no intent, he doesn't really believe in anything.
00:42:48.000His government was Basically, founded on the concept of U-turns.
00:42:52.000He did something like 24 different U-turns over the course of two years.
00:42:56.000For example, amongst the litany of people he's thrown under the bus during his premiership, farmers.
00:43:01.000He tried to introduce an inheritance tax on farm estates over a certain limit.
00:43:08.000Farmers, already as they are in the United States, struggling to make ends meet, there was a massive U turn on that.
00:43:13.000They tried to throw pensioners under the bus by taking away some of their pension credit and welfare benefits, all sorts of things.
00:43:19.000But he's also a man who actually is quite chilling in a way because he cared more about the international order and his human rights mates on the world stage.
00:43:28.000Than he did about Great Britain and the British people.
00:43:31.000And he doesn't actually care about the British people.
00:43:33.000But more importantly, he doesn't understand the British people.
00:43:37.000For example, he wanted away the Chagos Islands, Diego Garcia, where we share the joint UK US military base.
00:43:44.000He wanted to give away the Chagos Islands because an international court with no jurisdiction, chaired by a bunch of Chinese judges, said that we should do so.
00:43:51.000So he was giving it away to Chinese ally Mauritius.
00:44:03.000That's one example of how he doesn't care about the country, doesn't understand the nation.
00:44:07.000And also the Muslim rape gangs, a massive, massive scandal here in the United Kingdom, worse, arguably, in terms of victims and just the horrors of it than the Epstein scandal.
00:44:18.000He called anybody who wanted an inquiry into Pakistani Muslim rape gangs far right.
00:44:23.000He thinks that we're just some sort of far right racists who want to demonize Pakistani Muslims.
00:44:28.000Well, no, the truth of the matter is there is an over representation of Pakistani Muslim rapists.
00:44:32.000Who have been abusing young working class British white girls for decades and decades.
00:44:39.000The question is now, boys, is his replacement, which looks like maybe Andy Burnham, who is already having tweets on earth from 2021, 2022, slagging off President Trump.
00:45:01.000She looks like a bit of a Bond villain.
00:45:03.000She's the director or some other position for.
00:45:06.000Octopus energy definitely sounds sinister, but then so, bigger picture, I think this is what your sixth prime minister in seven years, or maybe it's seven and six, whatever it is.
00:45:16.000Britain's had a lot of instability since the Brexit vote, they keep churning through prime ministers who lose popularity very rapidly or never really possess it at all.
00:45:27.000Can you speak to what's driving this crisis of the British political system?
00:45:31.000And we keep hoping they can turn it around.
00:46:20.000We've got a bunch of third world sub Saharans flooding the English Channel and roaming the streets of Britain.
00:46:25.000And most of them, well, not most of them, a good proportion of them committing crimes against the British natives.
00:46:30.000And then also this obsession with what we call net zero, which is we are pledging to eliminate fossil fuels by 2030.
00:46:39.000So despite having an abundance of oil under the North Sea, liquid oil under our feet, Natural gas, we can also frack for shale gas in the UK.
00:46:49.000We've got an abundance of energy, but we choose to deliberately harm ourselves, harm our energy prospects.
00:46:54.000And then what we do is go and import it from other nations.
00:46:57.000Our energy bills are some of the highest in the world.
00:46:59.000I pay something like 400 pounds a month for my energy bill back home.
00:47:02.000And when I spoke to President Trump in the open office a few months ago, when I had the pleasure of meeting him, he said, What do you like most about America, about DC?
00:47:10.000I said, Mr. President, your energy bills.
00:47:12.000I'm paying like, I don't know, 20 bucks a month or something.
00:48:03.000So, all right, breaking news just really quick.
00:48:06.000The D.C. Court of Appeals has just ruled in President Trump's favor, in the Edmonds' favor.
00:48:11.000The appeal court cleared the way for the Trump administration to expand a fast track deportation process that would allow for the expedited removal of migrants who are living far from the border.
00:48:21.000Now, this has been used for decades, apparently, at the border, but then President Trump expanded it to cover the entire United States in the interior.
00:48:30.000Back in August of 2025, a judge blocked the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's move to expand who qualifies for expedited removal.
00:48:41.000So President Trump can now expand expedited removal for non citizens apprehended anywhere in the U.S. who could not show that they had been in the country for two years.
00:48:55.000We like to flag it because so many people complain about the big headline, which, again, I would remind you, is often just chosen by the New York Times.
00:49:03.000To push a preferred narrative, and that's what everyone talks about because the New York Times is talking about it.
00:49:08.000But going on constantly, there's, yeah, sometimes the federal judge is saying, can't spend SNAP this way, can't use your database this way.
00:49:16.000But sometimes that federal judge is, you can deport these people faster.
00:49:19.000These people you've been trying to get rid of for ages, you can finally send them back.
00:49:23.000Deportations have gone from 500 a day to 1,000 a day to 2,000 a day.
00:49:32.000And it's often not the stuff, and it's often done without getting a lot of attention.
00:49:37.000Ben Leo joins us from GB News, chief U.S. correspondent, but he is a proud Brit supporting their soccer team, football team, however you want to say it.
00:49:49.000We have a picture of the incoming new, potentially, we think, the new prime minister right there, just with a little hair dye added on one.
00:50:01.000I can't tell the difference, Ben, but that's maybe you can't.
00:50:55.000I mean, Barack Obama and Michelle Obama have a nice, quaint estate in Martha's Vineyard, one of the widest places in the country, which I just always have found ironic.
00:51:05.000Yeah, I mean, so, but listen, let's get into this.
00:51:07.000So I feel like we're on this countdown watch for Nigel and restore or reform, rather, and then you got the restore conversation happening.
00:51:19.000Tell us about that and what the takeaways from that election were.
00:51:23.000Well, so let me just give you some context about the political scene as a wider picture first.
00:51:28.000So, the UK, Reform UK, which is headed by Nigel Farage, President Trump's good friend from yesteryear, they are leading all polls by some margin.
00:51:35.000They're on about 30 to 35%, depending on the poll, and that's for the last year and a half.
00:51:41.000So, they are leading every poll going.
00:51:42.000However, there was what you call a special election in the UK last week near Manchester.
00:51:48.000And Andy Burnham, who wasn't an MP, a member of Parliament at the time, he was the mayor of Manchester.
00:51:54.000He ran in that special election to become an MP with the intent of kicking out Keir Starmer, the current Prime Minister, because he would have triggered a leadership contest.
00:52:04.000Keir Starmer, in his indignity, did another U turn.
00:52:08.000And despite saying previously he'd contest the leadership contest, saying, I'm not going anywhere, he U turned again like a flip flop and said, Okay, I'm just going to resign.
00:54:25.000I think Andy Burnham probably realizes that Makerfield, the special election we had, isn't representative of the wider country.
00:54:31.000So I think he'll hang on for the next three years.
00:54:35.000In his premiership in number 10 as Prime Minister.
00:54:37.000So the election will come in August 2029.
00:54:41.000So, really, I hope you feel for us, Brits.
00:54:44.000We have another three odd years or so of lunacy, of open borders, of pandering to migrants, of migrants killing and raping native Brits, of high energy bills, of cost of living spiraling out of control, of being labeled far right racist Nazis.
00:55:01.000I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
00:55:04.000I think sometimes that needs to happen.
00:55:06.000I think you need a mass awakening in order for people, maybe normies, as we call them, who don't really follow the news or follow politics, to really step up and say, hang on a minute, something doesn't feel quite right.
00:55:24.000Is there anything that could cause this to happen sooner than three years?
00:55:27.000Because three years, a lot can happen in three years.
00:55:29.000We certainly saw that with Biden on our end.
00:55:32.000Is there anything that could make it happen faster?
00:55:34.000Only if Andy Burnham calls a snap election or his party turns against him with a vote of no confidence, which is going to be extremely rare.
00:57:48.000You said these aren't the choices, not even close.
00:57:50.000But even if we wanted to disengage from the war, we could leave it status quo ante, which would be better than a deal not only enriching and propping up the regime, but restraining Israel and Gulf states from fighting.
00:58:00.000So, I am supportive of pursuing peace with this MOU, and I'm supportive of Vice President JD Vance.
00:58:07.000Well, I wouldn't be tweeting like that if I knew it would be shown on a show like this.
00:58:12.000I have to be a little more careful what I say out there.
00:58:16.000Well, yeah, I think that is a false binary choice.
00:58:20.000There are an array of ways and an array of deals that could be, for instance, made other than what we've done, which I think, frankly, listen, maybe tomorrow goes in a different direction, but right now I think it's trending in the direction of being worse.
00:58:36.000And for instance, we could pick up and leave and strike a very narrow deal just on the straight rather than giving them, you know, full access to all their oil money, opening up funding for them, you know, in other ways and dealing with Pakistan and the Qataris.
00:58:56.000It just seems like it's far too much for a nation that won the military part of this war.
01:00:43.000I'm not sure, but I guess it looks like.
01:00:45.000Not releasing funding to Iran, which is fungible dollars, no matter how you track it or don't track it, that lets them continue to arm proxies, for instance.
01:00:56.000I mean, Donald Trump made three demands when this war started, and I don't think maybe one of them is met.
01:01:02.000We're not getting their enriched uranium.
01:01:04.000We're not doing anything about their ballistic missile program.
01:01:09.000It would have been better never to go.
01:01:10.000We're in a worse place now than we were before.
01:01:13.000Well, I don't necessarily disagree with that last statement that you just made.
01:01:17.000Blake and I, I think, share the skepticism of going in to begin with.
01:01:22.000But I think what my point here is that the main objective was always nuclear for President Trump.
01:01:29.000If you play the clips back from decades, it's nuclear, right?
01:01:33.000If you go back far enough, he was embarrassed by the hostage crisis in 79 and he thought that we should smack him around and show him who's boss.
01:01:48.000Marco Rubio apparently in the situation room.
01:01:51.000Said, I think that Intel is bunk, but if you want goals number one and number two, which is basically beat back their military and get the nuclear, then you should go in.
01:02:03.000So, and that's kind of where I net out on this is that President Trump has been consistent.
01:02:08.000A lot of people in the Trump coalition, the anti interventionist crowd, which I tend towards much more so than foreign adventurism, they are wrong that Trump has not been consistent on this issue.
01:02:19.000He's been very consistent about getting the nuclear.
01:02:22.000So, if you get the nuclear, And the strait is back opened, and we have damaged significantly the ballistic missile program.
01:02:29.000Then, what else, what other outcomes do we want?
01:02:32.000And people keep comparing this to the JCPOA.
01:02:35.000My contention to that is that because President Trump has used force, because the force is a credible threat against the Iranian regime, this deal is fundamentally different.
01:02:45.000That the leverage that we have on them is fundamentally different than what Obama and Kerry and Hillary Clinton applied in the JCPOA because the Iranians read them like a book.
01:02:55.000They knew that they didn't want to strike, they knew that it was sort of a weak, limp wristed threat against them.
01:03:02.000And so they would tell the inspectors, you know, they would give them three weeks' heads up that we're going to come in, and then they'd move things.
01:03:08.000They would play games with the inspection regime.
01:03:12.000So to me, this is fundamentally different, and the Iranians are compelled to play ball.
01:03:17.000Why do you think that they're not going to do that to the inspectors now?
01:03:22.000I just want to quickly say that the uranium, we're not getting it.
01:03:26.000We're helping them get it, and then we're diluting it, which is a completely reversible process.
01:03:30.000It doesn't make any sense to me that if we're going to go help them get it, that we can't just take it.
01:03:43.000The reason we can't just take it is if we would have to go in and do it, that would mean boots on the ground.
01:03:48.000And I guess the bigger picture here that I think we have to confront is I don't think there's any popular enthusiasm in the United States for U.S. boots on the ground in Iran.
01:03:59.000And setting aside the whatever the geopolitical stakes are, I think we all have to confront we have a domestic political movement, and I think it would be suicidal for us to launch a bigger war in Iran at this point.
01:04:13.000Are you incorporating that into your analysis or are you focusing strictly on the military angle or do you think there's a political winner here to continue the war in a longer term way?
01:04:23.000I just want to say I'm not saying that we should put boots on the ground to get the uranium.
01:04:27.000I'm saying in the deal itself, in the framework of the deal, we're helping them from what I've seen in reporting, and it could be changed or it could be wrong, is that we're going to help them get this uranium and then help them dilute it.
01:05:45.000I mean, if we dropped someone in who knew nothing about geopolitics into what happened the other day, You know, in Switzerland with Pakistan and the Qataris and the Iranians making a deal, you wouldn't know, would you even know who won that war?
01:06:06.000I think that's the basic gist of the pushback that I'm getting is that we could have got better terms.
01:06:12.000President Trump has made the point that when you freeze assets, we have the dollar, right, as the dominant currency in the country or in the world.
01:06:19.000It's being challenged, of course, by BRICS nations.
01:06:21.000If you don't unfreeze assets, then you're essentially stealing money.
01:06:25.000Eventually, you have to play ball and unfreeze those assets.
01:06:28.000Now, their negotiations are ongoing about how best to unfreeze those assets.
01:06:33.000And admittedly, there's a disagreement currently.
01:06:36.000President Trump is saying they're going to buy U.S. produce with that and feed the Iranian people.
01:06:40.000We're going to make sure that it's not used to fund terror proxies.
01:06:45.000Admittedly, I'm skeptical about the ability to do that.
01:07:09.000They should be a really successful economic nation.
01:07:12.000They choose not to be because they're run by an Islamic fundamentalist cult, basically.
01:07:19.000So if they wanted to be rich, they could be.
01:07:21.000They have no real geopolitical reason to be at war with us, to be at war with Israel, to be at war with anyone other than Sunni Arabs, actually, even theologically.
01:07:38.000We have sanctions on Cuba for a very long time, I don't know, 50 years or more.
01:07:42.000So it's not as if we couldn't do that if we wanted to.
01:07:46.000But if you're saying, hey, it's better to try to pursue, or Donald Trump's saying it's better to pursue peace, let's see if we can help them or at least allow them to economically thrive and they'll be more peaceful, I'd be incredibly skeptical about that.
01:08:01.000So when in the framework we give them Lebanon, we essentially allow them to dictate what's happening in a country that Where there's a militia that they have that is not the army of that nation, and we allow them to use it as a lever.
01:08:15.000So, whenever they feel like they can attack Israel and get more, extract more stuff.
01:08:55.000And so this is my underlying point here, David, is sometimes, you know, yes, militarily we had all this leverage, we destroyed them, we were absolutely victorious, but politically this has always been kind of a dog.
01:09:10.000And I can tell you with Turning Point students, It's extremely unpopular.
01:09:14.000So, the point is, I think some of what's happening here is just a manifestation of a political reality domestically here at home that we do have a compelling interest in getting peace and peace sooner.
01:09:25.000If we can achieve the objectives of dealing with the nuclear and getting that straight backed open for energy prices, which does have a political downstream effect, then there is a compelling interest to get this deal done, do it in good faith.
01:09:38.000And the other point I would make is because you brought up the Qataris and the Pakistanis, I mean, they've been the mediators because at first we weren't sure who to even.
01:09:47.000Connect with, who to communicate with.
01:09:49.000We're gaining an understanding of who the leadership structure is and what they believe in Iran, but the command and control has been completely wiped out in some ways.
01:09:56.000So the point is, Trump is going for a regional deal, right?
01:10:00.000He believes that countries that do business together are less prone to go to war with each other.
01:10:06.000And that is part of the incentive structure here.
01:11:04.000The problem is that if you have the Pakistanis at the table and you don't have the Israelis or even the Lebanese or even the Saudis, I think that's a problem.
01:11:12.000You're not having true representation of the conflict itself or what happened or what needs to happen moving forward.
01:11:20.000So it seems to me like it wreaks a little bit of desperation on our part, which we didn't really need to do.
01:11:25.000I guess when I really just boil it down, my argument is we could have done better on, you know.
01:11:31.000I guess every sports fan thinks that when there's a trade or whatever, but I mean, I feel like we've given them a lot.
01:11:36.000Well, so here's what I would push back on that with JD Vance, the president, the whole team have been very clear that this is a milestone approach, right?
01:11:46.000They have to do X, Y, and Z in good faith, has to be verified for any of these sanctions reliefs or the assets to get unfrozen.
01:11:56.000So they have to display good faith actions for any of that to happen.
01:12:00.000And if they roll back on it, if they renege on the deal, then we go back to square one.
01:12:05.000So, but I would say, do you think that that's happened?
01:12:10.000We're still in the, in what sense, I guess?
01:12:13.000Well, they waived the oil, they waived the oil for, you know, allowing them to trade at will, which will go to the CHICOMs mostly for 60 days.
01:12:21.000And there was no, no, nothing really connected to that as far as improving behavior.
01:12:27.000Even the Obama deal, they had them sign the waiver.
01:12:29.000They only released the waivers once the deal was signed and all the, you know, I's had been dotted and so on.
01:13:09.000You know, shipping containers that go through the Panama Canal often are charged about between $150,000 and $400,000.
01:13:16.000So sometimes there are costs of doing business.
01:13:18.000I don't know what's going to ultimately happen.
01:13:20.000Oman and Qatar are saying that maybe they will charge fees just because it costs them something to monitor and keep the strait open.
01:13:27.000I don't know exactly how everything's going to pan out, but the president has been very clear that he doesn't want to have any tolls, especially from the Iranians in the strait.
01:13:34.000I'm just, I'm trying to find out what, if I'm putting a straw man argument out there, which, You essentially said, in not so many words, you did it nicely.
01:13:43.000But the point is, what is the alternative besides $5 gas and a dismal political reality for conservatives here at home?
01:13:51.000And I will tell you, we had upholster Rich Barris on yesterday.
01:13:54.000He said he's already seeing a bit of a bounce back in some of the polling.
01:13:58.000So I don't necessarily buy that it's baked into the cake, at least not completely for the midterms.
01:14:03.000Well, I guess we have, you know, directionally speaking, we're in, yeah, I just think it's more important to finish the job there and in the way that the president promised when we first started.
01:14:13.000We, we, I know that he's a mercurial guy and he says a lot of things and we just kind of brush it off.
01:14:20.000But he did make very specific promises about what we were doing.
01:14:23.000And if we don't do those things, I'm not a pollster, but I speak to a bunch of conservatives, more like on the boomer side probably of the equation.