The Charlie Kirk Show - May 22, 2023


The Bakhmut Bloodbath Ends, but the Ukraine War is Forever with Col. Douglas Macgregor and Jordan Schachtel


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Jordan Schochdal and Colonel Douglas McGregor take a hard look at the massive amount of money the U.S. is spending on Ukraine and ask the question: Where is all this money going? And what is it going to be used for?

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00:00:00.000 Ukraine, what is it good for?
00:00:02.000 What is all this money we're spending?
00:00:03.000 We do an honest look at Ukraine with Jordan Sochdal and Colonel Douglas McGregor.
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00:01:13.000 Where has all the money gone?
00:01:15.000 Where is the money?
00:01:16.000 Billions and billions and billions of dollars spent on Ukraine.
00:01:19.000 Our border remains wide open.
00:01:20.000 10,000 illegals are coming across the border every day.
00:01:23.000 Might be 15,000.
00:01:24.000 We don't know.
00:01:24.000 It's just a guesstimate.
00:01:26.000 But our regime and many of your Republican leaders are just sending more and more and more and more and more money to Ukraine.
00:01:33.000 But where has the money gone?
00:01:36.000 Well, Jordan Schochdal joins us.
00:01:38.000 He is the author of the dossier substack, and he's asking that question and doing the research.
00:01:43.000 Jordan, welcome back to the program.
00:01:45.000 Jordan, where is the money?
00:01:47.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks for having me.
00:01:51.000 That's not really the million dollar question.
00:01:53.000 That's the $150 billion plus dollar question is where's the money going?
00:01:58.000 Where's the oversight?
00:01:59.000 Why is Ukraine losing when we're giving them all this money?
00:02:03.000 I mean, I don't know if you saw the news just this weekend in Bakhmut.
00:02:08.000 The Wagner Group, which is a Pinot battalion mercenary group, defeated Ukraine's organized army and captured a key city.
00:02:17.000 And I'm just kind of wondering, like, what exactly is going on here?
00:02:22.000 If we're committed to the defense of Ukraine and we're sending all this billions of dollars, like, why isn't Ukraine winning?
00:02:31.000 And then it gets me thinking, like, what exactly is the goal here?
00:02:35.000 If it's not for Ukraine to win, what exactly is the goal?
00:02:38.000 Okay, so then let's talk about this $3 billion accounting error.
00:02:41.000 What's the story behind that?
00:02:44.000 Yeah, so when they passed, when they continue to pass all these bills for Ukraine funding, they claim that there's all kinds of oversight mechanisms and regulatory standards.
00:02:57.000 But then we find out that there was some type of like $3 billion accounting error.
00:03:03.000 And my suspicion, based on, you know, years of reporting on these wars, is that they just kind of like decide to fudge the numbers from time to time, depending on where the political winds are moving.
00:03:17.000 And if Ukraine needs a few more billion dollars, what they can do is basically increase the value or devalue some of the ammunition or missile batteries that they sent.
00:03:28.000 And it's basically just become a giant accounting gimmick.
00:03:30.000 And there's really just zero accountability whatsoever.
00:03:33.000 So if you were to guess where the money is, I mean, do you think it's being laundered?
00:03:38.000 Do you think that it's going to, I mean, where is this money going?
00:03:42.000 Is it all actually being spent on the war?
00:03:43.000 Is there an inventory of missiles, bullets, rifles, logistical support?
00:03:48.000 I mean, or is it just kind of we're not even allowed to ask questions?
00:03:52.000 So, yeah, this is where you enter into difficult territory because the defense industry is getting very wealthy off of this war.
00:04:02.000 And certainly, you know, these purchase orders are very real.
00:04:07.000 When you're dismantling the U.S. military and sending our weapons to Ukraine, first of all, they write up these paper receipts.
00:04:16.000 So there's nothing really logged into an electronic system that can be verified and transparent.
00:04:22.000 But when you're dismantling our own military, that's great news for the defense industry in Washington, D.C., because that means new purchase orders.
00:04:32.000 The problem, of course, is that it threatens our homeland security because, as you know, Charlie, there's a massive chip shortage that still hasn't been resolved worldwide.
00:04:42.000 We have China that is continually threatening Taiwan, which is an essential chip maker for the world.
00:04:49.000 So when we're sending Patriot missile batteries, while our government will write a check for the defense industry, so that's all well and good, but we're also leaving our own military in a vulnerable position while we may have to wait years to resupply our own army.
00:05:08.000 Yeah, and they're slowly squeezing Taiwan.
00:05:10.000 It's the Python strategy.
00:05:12.000 It's the buried lead that most of our leaders are not focused on at all.
00:05:15.000 It's just a matter of time before they take it there.
00:05:17.000 Okay, I want to play a piece of tape here.
00:05:19.000 Let's go to Cut 29.
00:05:21.000 Zelensky confirms the loss of Bakhmut to Russia.
00:05:24.000 But hey, at least you guys, as American taxpayers, can say you gave it a good old try.
00:05:31.000 Play Cut 29.
00:05:33.000 Is Bakhmut still in Ukraine's hands?
00:05:35.000 The Russians say they've taken Bakhmut.
00:05:37.000 I think no.
00:05:39.000 But you have to transcend that there is nothing.
00:05:42.000 They destroyed our city.
00:05:44.000 There are no buildings.
00:05:45.000 It's a pity.
00:05:46.000 It's tragedy, but for today, Bakhmut is only in our hearts. 0.97
00:05:54.000 So, Jordan, what does success look like exactly then for the American regime in this war?
00:06:00.000 Very sadly, the strategy seems to be to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible and use the Ukrainian civilians who are being drafted into the military to do so.
00:06:14.000 Like the strategy is literally fighting down to the last Ukrainian. 0.82
00:06:18.000 And if you're a Ukrainian living your life in Kiev, you have to really think about who exactly is your friend here.
00:06:26.000 We know that the Russians aren't exactly motivated to support the interests of Western Ukraine, especially.
00:06:34.000 But the NATO-U.S. aligned Biden administration also has plans for Ukraine.
00:06:43.000 And those plans involve basically using the Ukrainian military as the tip of the spear in their kind of like xenophobic operation against Russians in general because they view Russians as a threat instead of trying to make peace between these two countries.
00:07:02.000 Unfortunately, the Biden administration is acting as a very bad actor, as you've seen through the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline.
00:07:09.000 I mean, they're willing just to make life more difficult for Russians in general. 0.85
00:07:15.000 They're willing to also harm basically the entirety of the European continent.
00:07:20.000 And I think that when we're engaged in these overseas skirmishes between these incredibly powerful forces, I think President Trump was right when he said that peace is the prize.
00:07:32.000 You can't forget about the human suffering here, and you can't just label people according to whatever your geopolitical philosophy is and kind of forget about the human element here.
00:07:43.000 There's thousands of people dying every day.
00:07:45.000 And it's for the betterment of humanity, for Society, the world economy.
00:07:52.000 I mean, nothing good can come out of the continuation of this war other than the flourishing of Washington and Wall Street.
00:07:59.000 Yeah, I mean, look, Russians are humans too, and no one's allowed to say that out loud, but I don't delight in the killing of Russians.
00:08:07.000 I had somebody once at an event, they said, Charlie, I watch videos of Russians being bombed, and I enjoy that. 1.00
00:08:12.000 I said, I don't feel that way at all.
00:08:16.000 At all.
00:08:16.000 I'm not pro-Russian.
00:08:18.000 I just don't get off on seeing Russians being massacred.
00:08:21.000 I think that it's just something wrong with you, I think, if that's the case.
00:08:25.000 I mean, Russia should be neutral towards the United States as we go after the true enemy, the Chinese Communist Party. 0.96
00:08:32.000 It's completely unnecessary war. 0.55
00:08:34.000 War is the worst thing that we as humans engage in.
00:08:38.000 So, in closing, Jordan, what is the total number we've sent to Ukraine?
00:08:41.000 Do we know?
00:08:42.000 Is it 115, 130, 200 billion?
00:08:45.000 What is the actual, do we have any idea what the actual number is?
00:08:49.000 Based on my reporting on the war, I would put the number at around 150 billion plus whatever they value the supplies that, you know, the Europeans, they say that Putin is akin to Hitler marching through Europe.
00:09:01.000 The Europeans don't seem to think so because they're not really giving them any money.
00:09:06.000 So, it's very interesting to hear all of these World War II analogies coming from the Europeans, especially.
00:09:13.000 But yet, you know, the U.S. taxpayer is being hit hard here, especially in a very difficult economic environment.
00:09:20.000 We just need to get out of this, you know, the overseas empire business.
00:09:24.000 I agree with you entirely.
00:09:25.000 We need to start treating people as human beings, and we need to just start focusing on our own sovereignty, defending our own sovereignty, you know, building the freaking wall on the southern border.
00:09:36.000 Like, why are we spending $150 billion on Ukraine?
00:09:39.000 5,000 miles away, this conflict is taking place.
00:09:41.000 Like, enough of the empire stuff.
00:09:43.000 I'd like to just see our country get back to using the military to defend our physical sovereignty and leave it at that.
00:09:51.000 The GAE, the great American Empire, or you could call it the gay, that is trying to take over the world while our own domestic homeland collapses. 1.00
00:10:01.000 Our country is falling apart.
00:10:03.000 Our kids are committing suicide at record rates.
00:10:05.000 There are 10 to 15,000 illegals that are trespassing into our nation a day. 0.87
00:10:09.000 Opioid deaths, the economy is on the jitters. 0.99
00:10:12.000 The dollar is about to lose world reserve currency status, which is tied to the stupid proxy war in Ukraine. 0.98
00:10:17.000 And we're told that we just have to spend more money. 0.98
00:10:19.000 Got to spend more money on what?
00:10:20.000 On an ideological crusade against a border dispute to go make Raytheon's board of directors happy, to go make uniparty politicians that don't want to address real issues more popular.
00:10:31.000 It's a disgrace.
00:10:32.000 And it's time for Americans in both political parties to say enough.
00:10:36.000 Thanks so much, Jordan.
00:10:36.000 End the war.
00:10:37.000 Great job.
00:10:38.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:10:39.000 Appreciate it.
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00:12:49.000 Okay, so on Friday, of course, it's a Friday news dump.
00:12:55.000 This is one of the biggest stories of the last couple months, of the last couple years when it comes to domestic surveillance.
00:12:59.000 I wanted to lead with it, and we're going to talk about it throughout the week.
00:13:03.000 And it just kind of got thrown under the rug, and people say, Oh, well, that's interesting.
00:13:06.000 I want you to listen to this tape from Brett Baer.
00:13:08.000 This should just take your breath away.
00:13:10.000 And he just says it so casually.
00:13:12.000 I like Brett.
00:13:12.000 I think he's a nice guy.
00:13:13.000 He's a sweet person.
00:13:14.000 It's just the way he says it just makes me laugh.
00:13:16.000 It's just like, breaking tonight.
00:13:18.000 By the way, the FBI has spied on 278,000 people.
00:13:21.000 What?
00:13:22.000 Play cut 14.
00:13:24.000 New allegations that the FBI overstepped its authority in conducting investigations against American citizens.
00:13:32.000 And not just a few times.
00:13:34.000 We're talking in the hundreds of thousands of times.
00:13:37.000 This court document released just a few hours ago found that the FBI misused a popular digital surveillance tool on everyday Americans more than 278,000 times in 2020 going into 2021.
00:13:53.000 We're specifically talking about section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as FISA.
00:14:01.000 It gives the FBI and other agencies the ability to digitally surveil without a court order or a warrant.
00:14:09.000 Now, this is actually getting some traction.
00:14:12.000 We know who to blame, largely the Republicans that built the Patriot Act and the FISA thing.
00:14:16.000 This is actually, I see a glimmer of hope to fix this.
00:14:22.000 I see a little bit of hope because it is coming out who they spied on.
00:14:28.000 Yes, they spied on January 6th.
00:14:30.000 They spied on Patriots.
00:14:32.000 They spied on conservatives and all of that.
00:14:35.000 But it's coming out that they spied on the sacrosanct group that you are not allowed to question.
00:14:43.000 They spied, I guess, spied on, you know, is rough words.
00:14:46.000 They illegally surveilled the Floyd protesters.
00:14:52.000 Ooh.
00:14:54.000 This is a very interesting.
00:14:55.000 So you see these tension points manifest here and here.
00:14:58.000 Now, maybe that group was criminal enough to warrant some spying.
00:15:02.000 Probably they were burning down the whole country.
00:15:04.000 But this is where all of a sudden you're going to have a question of what matters more than this.
00:15:10.000 This matters more than that.
00:15:11.000 Now, we have not had a tension like this since the Kyrie Irving BLM v mandatory vaccine.
00:15:19.000 And remember, the pharmaceutical companies and mandatory vaccines and transformation change agents of drugs mattered more than race politics.
00:15:28.000 Remember? 1.00
00:15:29.000 Kyrie Irving played the race card. 0.97
00:15:30.000 Doesn't matter. 0.88
00:15:31.000 You're not allowed to play.
00:15:33.000 Mandatory vaccines matter more than the race card.
00:15:36.000 Similar in during the lockdown, when Fauci was saying, stay at home, stay at home, stay at home.
00:15:41.000 He was asked about hookup culture.
00:15:42.000 He said, well, I'm not going to speak out against that.
00:15:46.000 So licentiousness and degenerative pleasure-seeking hookup culture mattered more than locking down society.
00:15:52.000 So eventually you have to create a hierarchy.
00:15:55.000 So this is a really interesting question.
00:15:58.000 This is going to come for renewal in December, this 702 of the FBI's spying code, brought to you largely by big government Republicans.
00:16:07.000 What is more important to the Democrat regime?
00:16:10.000 Race politics?
00:16:13.000 Or the ability to spy on your political opponents and dissidents, even though it might be used against your own side?
00:16:20.000 Hmm.
00:16:23.000 I don't know.
00:16:25.000 Here's what I will say is that there will be a fair amount of Republicans like Thomas Massey and Chip Roy and Ana Paulina that do not vote for reauthorization.
00:16:31.000 Jerry Nadler has come out and he said, I don't support reauthorization because he doesn't want a primary challenge by the AOC type.
00:16:38.000 AOC is going to probably be against this.
00:16:41.000 I just want to use this piece of example for two things.
00:16:44.000 It'll be a question to see if it actually gets renewed because the Democrat Party really has become the party of the Intel agencies.
00:16:51.000 But for any Democrat out there listening and you find it objectionable that the FBI would use FISA warrants to spy on Floyd protesters, we've been trying to warn you.
00:17:03.000 All of the overreaches of power that are being used against January 6th protesters, all the overreaches of power of pretrial detention, it's going to be used against you guys one day.
00:17:13.000 They're going to come for the socialists next.
00:17:15.000 If they are able to wipe out the American right, they will obliterate the socialists because that's the next big threat to the powerful people.
00:17:21.000 So be careful how silent you are when people you hate are unconstitutionally threatened because you might be next.
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00:18:39.000 Joining us now is Colonel Douglas McGregor to help us make sense out of the fog of propaganda from the Western press of what's happening in Bakhmut.
00:18:48.000 Colonel, thank you for making time for us.
00:18:50.000 If you just read Western media this weekend, you would think that, well, Ukraine has just retreated and they're going to encircle Russian forces and they don't really control.
00:18:59.000 What is the truth?
00:19:00.000 What is actually happening in Bakhmut and what is the significance of it?
00:19:04.000 Well, listen, you're asking the right questions and Americans need to know the answers.
00:19:09.000 I think the first thing we need to keep in mind is that Bakhmut was probably the most successful trap ever created in military history. 1.00
00:19:19.000 Ultimately, the Russians managed to turn Bakhmut into the graveyard of the Ukrainian army.
00:19:24.000 At least 50,000 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and many more were wounded.
00:19:30.000 It has been nothing but a complete disaster.
00:19:32.000 Zelensky obsessed over Bakhmut the way Hitler obsessed over Stalingrad. 0.68
00:19:37.000 And the Ukrainians have had to pay a terrible price.
00:19:40.000 And if you want to know just how profound the impact of this loss is, you need to look at Politico's article over the weekend about the desire of people in the White House inside the Biden administration to press for a so-called frozen conflict in Ukraine.
00:19:58.000 I mean, it's abundantly clear to them that the myth of Ukrainian victory is just that.
00:20:03.000 It's a myth.
00:20:04.000 There's no chance whatsoever.
00:20:06.000 In fact, the Ukrainians are on the road to total defeat and collapse. 1.00
00:20:10.000 And what they've done is said, well, you know, we can't win, so we'll try to turn Ukraine into a European version of the Korean Peninsula.
00:20:19.000 We'll split it.
00:20:20.000 We'll freeze the conflict.
00:20:23.000 We'll move U.S. forces into Western Ukraine, and then we'll just sit across from the Russians for another 50, 60, 70 years. 0.98
00:20:31.000 Of course, this won't work, Charlie, because the Russians have no incentive to cooperate with that. 0.95
00:20:36.000 The Russians are waiting for one more burst of energy out of the Ukrainians, which they will annihilate, another massive offensive that goes nowhere. 1.00
00:20:46.000 And then I think they're going to move to take on Odessa and Kharkov.
00:20:50.000 But the truth is that Bakhmut was a catastrophe, and everyone knows it. 1.00
00:20:56.000 People know the Ukrainians can't win. 0.99
00:20:58.000 Now we're acting desperately at every turn.
00:21:01.000 Send them F-16s, send them whatever we have. 1.00
00:21:04.000 Truth is, none of that's going to make any difference.
00:21:06.000 The real danger in the future is that once it becomes clear that Ukraine has collapsed and the Russians are overrunning the two areas that I just mentioned, which are historically Russian, I fear that fools in Washington will talk about direct intervention by U.S., Polish, Romanian, maybe some British forces to somehow or another rescue the situation.
00:21:30.000 That would put us at war with Russia, and we're not prepared for it. 0.82
00:21:34.000 I mean, that is definitely the disaster to be feared.
00:21:38.000 And you read the Western media, I mean, you have it right here in the New York Times and all over the Wall Street Journal.
00:21:44.000 You know, it says that Ukraine let this happen and then they're trying to go back into Bakhmut.
00:21:52.000 So, but let's talk more about this from an American perspective.
00:21:56.000 I had a dialogue recently with a lawmaker who is very pro this war.
00:22:00.000 And he's like, well, we have to fight to the bitter end for the liberation of Ukraine.
00:22:04.000 And I said, well, how do you define Ukraine?
00:22:06.000 He said, oh, including Crimea.
00:22:07.000 I mean, can you just walk our audience through, Colonel, how irresponsible, how reckless that is.
00:22:13.000 I don't think most Americans comprehend how cataclysmic some of their lawmakers are thinking on these topics.
00:22:22.000 Well, Washington is characterized by a unique combination of arrogance and ignorance.
00:22:29.000 The people talking in Washington, the vast majority of them, know absolutely nothing about Eastern Europe, let alone Russia and Ukraine.
00:22:36.000 The problem is that in 2014, people that are now inside the administration were involved in staging essentially a coup and removing the government that had been elected and replacing it with a government of their choice.
00:22:52.000 This government is the government that you see now running Ukraine.
00:22:55.000 It was a very anti-Russian clique, very hostile to all things Russian.
00:23:00.000 And that government cooperated closely with us with the goal of ultimately building up enormous military power.
00:23:07.000 And that's what has happened between 2014 and 2022.
00:23:12.000 At the same time, Putin, watching all of this and knowing what was going on, moved to seize Crimea, which historically has been Russian, certainly since 1776.
00:23:23.000 And the problem is that he knew if he didn't seize it, that we would send the United States Navy and the Royal Navy and other navies from NATO to dock in Sebastopol.
00:23:32.000 In other words, to use the Crimean naval facilities for NATO purposes.
00:23:37.000 And again, he and his colleagues have been warning us for decades now not to advance to the borders of Russia, not to push NATO right up against Russia.
00:23:48.000 And eastern Ukraine is a position from which we could launch missiles and essentially neutralize the Russian nuclear deterrent, the ICBMs that they've got. 0.79
00:23:59.000 Russians know that, so they weren't going to tolerate it. 0.94
00:24:02.000 So to listen to somebody on the hill talk about returning Crimea, he knows he has nothing.
00:24:08.000 He doesn't know what he's talking about.
00:24:09.000 And again, the population there was always Russian and Tartar.
00:24:13.000 Well, it was never Ukrainian. 1.00
00:24:15.000 And the same thing is true in Eastern Europe, Eastern Ukraine.
00:24:18.000 It's scary to think if they know what they're talking about and they're still saying, I hope, I hope ignorance.
00:24:23.000 If they actually know the topic, it's so irresponsible.
00:24:26.000 So I want to get your response to this.
00:24:28.000 There's been a lot of internet chatter.
00:24:29.000 We received some emails about this.
00:24:31.000 I don't believe a word of this.
00:24:32.000 So Jake Tapper reports that $3 billion just had an accounting error.
00:24:38.000 And I think the money is being laundered back through someone.
00:24:41.000 I don't trust any of these people.
00:24:42.000 So I want to play this piece of tape and Jake Sullivan's response, and then I'd love your reaction, play cut four.
00:24:49.000 There was this very bizarre admission from the Pentagon this week of an accounting error that suggested that the U.S. has at least $3 billion that it didn't know it had that it can use for Ukraine aid.
00:25:03.000 That's a hell of an accounting error.
00:25:04.000 Well, one thing I just want to make clear, that is not money that went out the door and disappeared.
00:25:09.000 That is not a waste of that $3 billion.
00:25:12.000 It is simply a tally of how much military equipment we have given them.
00:25:17.000 Colonel, is there some money laundering going on here or some shenanigans?
00:25:21.000 Because that's quite an accounting error.
00:25:23.000 Keep in mind, Charlie, that we've been trying for 10 years to audit the Department of Defense.
00:25:28.000 We can't do it.
00:25:30.000 I mean, we just can't tell with any precision how much money has gone in, how much is coming out.
00:25:35.000 Yep, that's right.
00:25:36.000 And where most of it goes.
00:25:37.000 So that's the first thing.
00:25:39.000 Second thing is, I think the mafia had better bookkeeping than the Biden.
00:25:43.000 Well, they had to because they actually might have been audited by the IRS.
00:25:48.000 That's right.
00:25:49.000 No, I think your point on laundering is very important.
00:25:52.000 People don't understand that most of the cash never leaves the United States.
00:25:56.000 It just moves from Congress to DOD, from DOD into the various defense contractors' hands, and then finds its way back in the form of lucrative donations to members of the Senate and the House from the industries that are grateful for the squandering of our resources.
00:26:14.000 So there's no doubt that's true.
00:26:15.000 But we should also understand billions of dollars do get through at some point because we own Ukraine.
00:26:22.000 We pay for the government.
00:26:23.000 We pay for the army.
00:26:25.000 We're paying for the medical bills, everything.
00:26:27.000 You name it.
00:26:28.000 We effectively own the place.
00:26:30.000 And that's another reason that I think the government wants desperately to find some way to retrieve something from the ash heap of history, which is what Ukraine is becoming. 0.94
00:26:40.000 So, you know, at the end of the day, you're dealing with more than incompetence.
00:26:44.000 Remember, these are also ideologues.
00:26:46.000 They really believe that we are over there fighting to extend LGBTQRS or whatever it's called to everyone else in the world.
00:26:56.000 We're forcing everything down everyone's throats everywhere, which is why right now the BRICS plus 80 other countries are developing an alternative to our financial system.
00:27:07.000 We're going to see a meeting in St. Petersburg later in June, and the Russians and the Chinese and the Indians and the others are putting together gold-backed currency.
00:27:16.000 They are actually going to conduct transactions in gold, and this is going to put us out of business.
00:27:20.000 This further de-dollarizes the financial system.
00:27:25.000 You're spot on.
00:27:26.000 Colonel, back in the 1500s or 1600s, there used to be conquests to try to spread Christianity.
00:27:34.000 Now there's conquests to spread the gay agenda. 1.00
00:27:36.000 And because they really believe, if you ask some of these people, they think it's their moral crusade to put forth, quote, their idea of Western values are not uranias of Western values.
00:27:48.000 It's LGBT, wokeism, gay pride flags, BLM. 0.83
00:27:54.000 How much of this conflict is actually an ideological proxy war of wokeism versus whatever they think Russia is?
00:28:02.000 Well, it's very much that way on one level.
00:28:05.000 And then on the second level, of course, you have BlackRock and all the other major financial institutions in the West who are trying to get control of the resources in Ukraine and would like to see Russia destroyed so that they can get a colonizing project.
00:28:19.000 Okay, so an actual raw material colonization project.
00:28:23.000 Yeah.
00:28:25.000 And so American corporations look at it no different than the Dutch in Africa.
00:28:31.000 They just are going to try to set up some sort of corporate model if we're able to control Ukraine as the 51st state effectively.
00:28:39.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:28:41.000 And remember, the annoying part for them is that all of the critical resources are now under Russian occupation.
00:28:48.000 So when they say they want to liberate the eastern part of Ukraine, maybe it's more about having rare earth, minerals and agricultural advantage than it is actually having people believe in a certain are you, are we?
00:29:00.000 Should we just think of everything through an ultimately cynical lens?
00:29:02.000 I'm i'm, i'm already there, but it sure seems that way.
00:29:05.000 Well, I think, in this case absolutely, given the fact that in eastern Ukraine, the overwhelming majority of the population there is Russian.
00:29:12.000 They don't they're.
00:29:13.000 It's not just a question of speaking Russian, they're ethnically Russian.
00:29:17.000 Now they they were citizens involuntarily of Uh Ukraine and they were oppressed as an unwanted minority.
00:29:25.000 Their culture their, their religion, everything was being oppressed.
00:29:29.000 That's another reason why the Russians went in there, to relieve the suffering for the Russians in eastern Ukraine.
00:29:35.000 So bottom line is this, this is none of.
00:29:38.000 This is what it seems to be.
00:29:39.000 Most Americans have no idea and you know Charlie, most Americans are right about something, we should not be involved in this.
00:29:46.000 This is not our affair.
00:29:47.000 We understand none of it.
00:29:49.000 We have no ties to the region, and that's one of the things that's very disturbing about this administration seems that there are a lot of people in this administration pushing the war agenda for reasons that have nothing to do with our interests, have everything to do with their own, both financial and apparently historical connections to the region.
00:30:08.000 I encourage everybody, if you're up early enough, for just 10 minutes a day, watch Morning Mika and Morning Joe, because if the CIA and the Department OF Defense were to program a cable news channel to harmonize with what they want, it is pure deep state propaganda on this.
00:30:24.000 I was watching it this morning and it was it was.
00:30:26.000 It was we need more weapons, we need f-16s.
00:30:29.000 And then Morning Joe does the thing where he leans in, come on, why don't you get in?
00:30:33.000 Get your act together, send them the fighter jets and it's.
00:30:36.000 It's totally against the odds of the American people, but it's a reflection of what the war machine wants. 0.57
00:30:44.000 They have their own cable news channel For four hours every morning.
00:30:47.000 So, Colonel, I was talking about Morning Joe and how they're basically a propaganda arm of the war machine.
00:30:54.000 Do you have any comments on that, on how many of these media networks are basically just taking press releases straight from DOD, from Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and then parroting them and laundering that information as news on TV?
00:31:07.000 Yes, they do that.
00:31:09.000 They also bring in all these retired officers, particularly senior officers, who just repeat what they've been given from the Department of Defense.
00:31:17.000 So it's a universal lie that is designed to maintain the fiction that we're doing something positive, that the Ukrainians can win, and that Russia is evil incarnate.
00:31:29.000 And unfortunately, because of the Cold War, the long experience of conflict for the Soviet Union, people are ready to believe it. 0.63
00:31:36.000 But in truth, the picture is very, very different.
00:31:39.000 We're involved in the most corrupt country in the world, possibly called Ukraine. 0.97
00:31:44.000 Ukrainian population is now down to less than 20 million, which means that 14.5 million have left the country or, in many cases, been killed.
00:31:56.000 This is a catastrophe.
00:31:57.000 It's gross mismanagement of resources on our part here at home because our war stocks are way down.
00:32:04.000 Somebody asked me the other day, if we had to fight a major war, could we do it?
00:32:08.000 I said, well, as long as it lasts a week, we could do it.
00:32:11.000 And he said, what do you mean?
00:32:11.000 I said, after a week, all the missiles are gone.
00:32:14.000 All the ammunition is gone.
00:32:16.000 We're in very bad shape right now, and people don't seem to understand that.
00:32:20.000 I mean, Colonel, I don't want to use the word without any basis, but I mean, how is that not high treason to deplete the military stockpile for a foreign adversary?
00:32:31.000 I mean, you could want to help Ukraine.
00:32:33.000 You could be misguided on that.
00:32:34.000 But then to make us so unprepared, that's a direct threat to our national security.
00:32:41.000 Well, one would think the simple act of ensuring that our borders are open and undefended, of dismantling the rule of law in our major cities, of appointing people who are turning against the core American population in favor of criminals and foreigners. 0.83
00:32:59.000 I'd say that qualifies as well.
00:33:01.000 But again, the American people are still three meals away from revolution, as Lenin would say.
00:33:07.000 And I guess that's the problem.
00:33:10.000 At some point, Americans have to demonstrate that they're not going to put up with it any longer.
00:33:16.000 They're not there yet.
00:33:18.000 And now a Raytheon CEO says Ukraine has depleted the weapon stocks. 0.99
00:33:22.000 Now, just to play devil's advocate, Colonel, there is truth that only because I could see them lying about it to get more money from Congress because these people are a bunch of cockroaches. 0.94
00:33:30.000 But you're saying this is actually legit, that it's not just. 0.97
00:33:33.000 Oh, no, it's legitimate.
00:33:34.000 And just keep in mind, he's going to gouge us on price. 0.95
00:33:37.000 Of course he will because you're going to have to accelerate a timeline, you know, triple the price, all that crap. 0.96
00:33:43.000 Yeah.
00:33:43.000 And in addition, a lot of this stuff should be replaced by new systems.
00:33:49.000 In other words, it would be a mistake just to replenish all of the old materiel.
00:33:54.000 I mean, we're 30, 40 years away from really new military equipment in great quantities flowing into the armed forces.
00:34:03.000 We have an armed force that's designed for a kind of warfare that is over.
00:34:08.000 I mean, it's still a major tribute to World War II.
00:34:11.000 Structurally, we need radical, radical reform.
00:34:15.000 And remember, we've got 44 four-stars on active duty for a force of less than 1.1 million.
00:34:20.000 And during World War II, when we had 12.2 million in uniform, we had seven four-stars.
00:34:27.000 Think about that.
00:34:30.000 Unbelievable.
00:34:31.000 I mean, you think about it, the biggest Warhawks are getting rich off of this.
00:34:35.000 The worst Ukrainian oligarchs are getting rich off of this. 0.96
00:34:38.000 The people who pay the price are ordinary Americans who have to watch the constant stream of flow in capital, money, and attention to a border that you can't recognize while we're being overrun for 5,000 people a day.
00:34:53.000 Colonel, I want to thank you for your courage.
00:34:55.000 You're one of the few people that are willing to speak out about this, and it is really noteworthy and helpful to all of us.
00:35:02.000 Thank you so much.
00:35:03.000 Thank you, Charlie, and thank you for all that you're doing.
00:35:06.000 Thank you.
00:35:07.000 Welcome back anytime.
00:35:08.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:10.000 By the way, I'm probably underestimating.
00:35:13.000 It's anywhere between 10 to 15,000 illegals a day.
00:35:18.000 And we're just supposed to ignore it.
00:35:19.000 And you just kind of turn a blind eye.
00:35:21.000 Oh, yeah, it's perfectly fine.
00:35:23.000 Let's just go send more money to Ukraine.
00:35:25.000 It's remarkable.
00:35:28.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:29.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:32.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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