The Charlie Kirk Show - The Berkeley Aftermath

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:12.000 I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this show, joined by Mikey McCoy, who is the chief of staff of Turning Point, and Joe Bob, Ty Lafy.

00:01:21.000 There you go.

00:01:22.000 You got it.

00:01:22.000 He didn't want me to use his last name because it's a hard one.

00:01:25.000 Well, and also the first name is weird enough.

00:01:27.000 It would confuse the audience doubly here.

00:01:30.000 All right.

00:01:30.000 We're going to welcome on a real comedian here.

00:01:33.000 Wow.

00:01:34.000 Yes.

00:01:34.000 That's true.

00:01:35.000 His name is Rob Schneider.

00:01:37.000 He headlined our UC Berkeley event, which all chaos broke loose at that.

00:01:44.000 And you were actually there as well.

00:01:46.000 So we're going to have a great conversation.

00:01:48.000 Rob, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:50.000 So honored to have you, my friend.

00:01:51.000 Well, thank you for having me.

00:01:54.000 It's an honor to be here.

00:01:55.000 And I was very honored to be at the event at Berkeley, at the riot.

00:02:00.000 I mean, the riot.

00:02:03.000 I mean, the event riot.

00:02:06.000 Yeah, celebration.

00:02:08.000 I mean, the Charlie.

00:02:10.000 Well, I said to Charlie, let's go to some more and do some more universities.

00:02:15.000 And he said, I said, let's go to like the take me to the craziest one.

00:02:19.000 And it was his idea.

00:02:21.000 So, well, let's go to Berkeley.

00:02:23.000 And I went like, yeah.

00:02:25.000 And then I had to go to Berkeley alone.

00:02:28.000 That was Charlie's final practical joke on me.

00:02:32.000 And so the great Frank Turek was there.

00:02:36.000 And he a tremendous human being.

00:02:39.000 I mean, when, you know, when I heard that that was a, you know, a beautiful speech that he gave at Charlie's memorial, which is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in American history, the memorial.

00:02:54.000 It was so touching and beautiful.

00:02:55.000 It was such an expression of light and love and true friendship.

00:03:01.000 And to meet him in person was really humbling.

00:03:06.000 And also I brought with me because I said, you know, I can't do this on my own.

00:03:09.000 I mean, Charlie's irreplaceable, as everyone knows.

00:03:13.000 So I brought along some professors.

00:03:15.000 One doctor from Oxford was Dr. Andrew Doyle, and then a professor of Professor Peter Bogozian, who wrote the book, How to Have Difficult Conversations and Almost Impossible Conversations.

00:03:31.000 And it was great.

00:03:32.000 I mean, it was really good.

00:03:33.000 I mean, it was a scary moment.

00:03:34.000 As you guys saw, you know, the people, they call them anti-fascists, but they seem to be the one fighting.

00:03:40.000 And they were throwing these explosive devices to make it sound like it was gunshots. 0.92

00:03:45.000 These are really creepy, horrible people.

00:03:49.000 And they're obviously paid agitators because a lot of them, they didn't seem like they were Cal Berkeley students. 0.76

00:03:54.000 But you know, the silence from the left from Governor Newsom is deafening.

00:03:58.000 Where are they?

00:03:59.000 Where is the people that are opposing violence?

00:04:02.000 Where are they?

00:04:03.000 They're not there because, you know, I would think they must approve it because it's leftist violence.

00:04:09.000 So it supports their cause.

00:04:12.000 So it's a real testament to where the left is at, whereas violence from the left, I mean, it's almost like we're in a cold civil war.

00:04:21.000 We are in a cold civil war with only one side shooting.

00:04:26.000 So that's where we're at.

00:04:27.000 But today, I mean, I have to admit, the police at Berkeley, they did a good job.

00:04:33.000 But however, they still did not allow, and they allowed these domestic terrorists, because that's what they are. 0.84

00:04:41.000 You're trying to scare people and intimidate them with tear gas, with things that sound like gunfire, with, you know, rattling and preventing people from entering and intimidation.

00:04:53.000 That is terrorism.

00:04:54.000 That's domestic terrorism.

00:04:56.000 And why that is not being a priority from the state of California?

00:05:00.000 They're just silent today, the super majority of Democrats.

00:05:04.000 So I don't know what to say.

00:05:06.000 So here we have the scariest moment was, oh, thankfully, we got in there three hours early so that we didn't have to be confronted by that.

00:05:14.000 But how about the kids, the courageous turning point USA Berkeley kids who still went despite all the tear gas and these leftist lunatics who are violently, I mean, talk about, here's what happened outside.

00:05:29.000 You got agitators, you have their, they're screaming, they have very disgusting signs, despicable signs about Charlie Kirk that I won't even repeat.

00:05:38.000 And then you have, you know, and then they're yelling and intimidating and fighting and violence and tear gas.

00:05:45.000 And inside, you have people talking about how much they love America, family, God, and how much they love freedom of speech.

00:05:53.000 And they are the anti-fascists calling us fascists.

00:05:57.000 And I would just say to your listeners, I think we all know who the real fascists are.

00:06:01.000 Fascists are the ones that stop conversation, that don't want dialogue, that are using, you know, violence to suppress other people's liberties.

00:06:12.000 That's, and silence them.

00:06:14.000 And those are the real definition of fascism.

00:06:17.000 Well, I think you said it really, really well, Rob, in this speech that you gave.

00:06:22.000 Let's go ahead and play 146, just to give the audience a little taste of what it was like inside the room.

00:06:26.000 146.

00:06:27.000 If we are going to have a vibrant society and continue to be the largest economy, the most technologically advanced society in the world, we must protect free speech and debate.

00:06:36.000 We cannot afford to continue people having beliefs persist that are not subject to facts or logic or empirical evidence.

00:06:47.000 And anyone who presents empirical evidence to the contrary gets shut down, censored, and subject to violence on the university campus.

00:06:55.000 This has to stop.

00:06:56.000 Yeah, and what we're talking about here is really the heckler's veto, right?

00:06:59.000 But it's become the assassin's veto.

00:07:01.000 They want to shut us up.

00:07:02.000 They want us to keep us from doing these events.

00:07:04.000 And I'm so glad guys like you and Joe Bob still have the courage to go do them and our students, our brave staff.

00:07:10.000 How has this event and the aftermath and all the violence that we saw, how has this personally impacted you, Rob?

00:07:17.000 Has it changed your view on things at all?

00:07:20.000 Well, it made me throw out the script and just talk about the emotion of the moment and to really to meet these courageous students at Berkeley who had the courage to show up and risk themselves and to risk their bodily harm to attend this event, to express their freedom.

00:07:44.000 Because freedom of speech, Andrew, as you know, it's not just the ability for someone to say and express their point of view.

00:07:51.000 And free speech is all speech, not just the speech that the government likes or that the regents or the academics, the leftist academics of Cal Berkeley like.

00:08:00.000 Free speech is all speech.

00:08:02.000 And if it means anything, it also means the right to hear somebody else's free speech.

00:08:09.000 If we silence free speech, you're also not just silencing the speaker, you're also silencing the rights of the listener.

00:08:16.000 And that's something that is really important.

00:08:20.000 At one point yesterday, the Berkeley police, you know, ran into our room where we were in the green room, and they just went right by us, didn't say hi or anything.

00:08:30.000 And it was a frightening little moment.

00:08:33.000 And they went right into the electrical room and looked up because they were thinking that maybe people could get through that way.

00:08:38.000 And I asked them and I said to the Berkeley police officers, I said, can you help the people come in?

00:08:44.000 Because we had sold this event.

00:08:46.000 We could have sold it out 6,000 tickets.

00:08:48.000 We had to stop at 2,000 because that's all the leftists, anti-free speech academics and faculty and board of regents would let us have.

00:09:00.000 And they still allowed these leftists, the liberals, illegally able to get tickets, knowing so as to prevent those seats from being filled.

00:09:10.000 Rob, I have insider info on that.

00:09:12.000 And maybe, Joe Bob, you have some on that as well.

00:09:15.000 But what they did two weeks before the event, they made us switch over to the school's ticketing system.

00:09:19.000 They open up the ticketing knowing that all the agitators and protesters are alerted to that so they can scoop up tickets, leave the seats empty.

00:09:27.000 We had thousands of people that actually were still in line or wanted to get in line that ultimately scattered when the car started backfiring and the bombs started going off and the fireworks.

00:09:36.000 And so they were intentionally sabotaging this event.

00:09:39.000 Joe Bob, you saw this up close.

00:09:40.000 Well, yeah, and also too, just a 30,000-foot view, the idea that you're going to get tickets and then not show up is like comical.

00:09:49.000 What better way to say, hey, my ideas suck and I don't want to defend them to not actually show up to the event that you got tickets for and just leave the seats empty?

00:09:57.000 Well, and we had, just so you know, what we usually do is we have a big line of standbys, Rob, where if people don't show up and claim their tickets, the standby line then gets an opportunity to come fill those seats.

00:10:08.000 And we had thousands that wanted to hear from you and Frank Turek and Peter Bogozian.

00:10:14.000 I mean, you know, this is Deep Blue Berkeley, and there was thousands, and they cannot let that visual get out into the world.

00:10:23.000 They cannot.

00:10:24.000 They cannot afford it.

00:10:25.000 They're too fragile.

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00:11:35.000 Mikey McCoy, you probably went to more campus stops with Charlie than anybody. 0.90

00:11:39.000 Well, Joe Bob, darn it, maybe you did.

00:11:42.000 Well, because, yeah, but you were doing all the openings. 0.98

00:11:45.000 I mean, Rob was here for a crazy one, Rob.

00:11:48.000 You're never going to be the same.

00:11:49.000 Once you go through one of the crazy ones, you're never the same.

00:11:51.000 And Mikey, tell us, give us your POV on all this.

00:11:55.000 Yeah, well, first off, it's been two months since Utah.

00:11:59.000 And I just, this is the left in their proclivity for violence time and again.

00:12:04.000 And that two months after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you're going to show up at a turning point USA event, threaten our attendees, attack our attendees, spit in the face of old ladies coming to peacefully gather at this event to listen to Dr. Frank Turik and Rob Schneider, who are very threatening people.

00:12:23.000 These are very threatening people.

00:12:24.000 And so we need the full battalions of Antifa to come out to stop this.

00:12:28.000 But then all the while while this is happening, we knew this event was coming up.

00:12:32.000 Gavin Newsom knew this event was coming up, but he's out in Brazil LARPing as the president of the United States and also just pretending to be something he's not.

00:12:39.000 He can't get his act together.

00:12:41.000 And I'm supposed to believe that Gavin Newsom just turned a blind eye to Antifa.

00:12:47.000 This is the same Gavin Newsom that stopped ICE agents and federal agents from coming into California, but can't stop Antifa from attacking our attendees at our event.

00:12:58.000 I want justice for this.

00:12:59.000 I'm not going to turn a blind eye to this.

00:13:01.000 I want to find out who's paying these Antifa people.

00:13:04.000 I want to find out who they are.

00:13:06.000 I want every single one of them arrested who have broken a law.

00:13:10.000 I want justice for this.

00:13:11.000 I am upset.

00:13:13.000 I am mad.

00:13:14.000 This has been two months after this happened, and I do not want Antifa at our events like this.

00:13:18.000 Yeah.

00:13:18.000 Rob, what's your take on that?

00:13:20.000 I wish you would have been with me on Fox News this morning.

00:13:24.000 You said way better than anything I said this morning.

00:13:26.000 No, I think what we have to do is we need to have accountability.

00:13:30.000 We need to find out who's funding this because there were people there that are paid agitators and these are domestic terrorists.

00:13:36.000 I mean, it's the very definition of what terrorism is.

00:13:39.000 It's frightening other people.

00:13:40.000 These are American students.

00:13:43.000 These are people at a university and they have their rights.

00:13:47.000 And these rights, their civil rights are being impeded when you are preventing them from doing their expression of free speech, which is the ability to not just talk, but to hear.

00:14:01.000 And that is a blatant, a blatant violation of civil rights violation.

00:14:06.000 And somebody needs to be held accountable.

00:14:08.000 Absolutely.

00:14:09.000 Now, as far as our response has to be as a reflection of God's light.

00:14:16.000 And that's what Charlie was.

00:14:17.000 And that's what I was so humbled when I was at university with Charlie, because he was there for the love of these kids because he knew where the future was.

00:14:29.000 He knew that if we lose these kids, we lose everything.

00:14:33.000 And we have to have these kids.

00:14:35.000 And so while the left wants to silence us, it just makes us, I mean, look at all the publicity from yesterday.

00:14:42.000 I think it's pretty obvious to anybody who is not, you know, in a political echo chamber of MSNBC and the illiberal left who the real fascists are.

00:14:54.000 We love America and the love of country.

00:14:57.000 And they try to, you know, to group us into some sort of weird, you know, nationalistic negativity.

00:15:03.000 Well, nationalism in its expansion is negative.

00:15:06.000 That's true.

00:15:07.000 But nationalism, when your country is under threat, is necessary.

00:15:12.000 We have to love our country and protect our country.

00:15:14.000 So in that sense, this is a healthy nationalism and supporting our kids, young people, to be able to express themselves and to hear opposing viewpoints.

00:15:25.000 And the University of Berkeley has proven themselves to be the shamefully anti-free speech.

00:15:32.000 And for the university that really spoke to and started the university free speech movement for all speech, not just, they specifically said not left or right, but for all speech.

00:15:44.000 It is an absolute shame on that university.

00:15:47.000 And historians will look back at this moment as the most shameful moment in the history of the University of Berkeley.

00:15:54.000 And that's saying a lot.

00:15:56.000 Well, guess what, Rob?

00:15:58.000 They couldn't stop us.

00:15:59.000 They couldn't stop you.

00:16:00.000 They couldn't stop our students.

00:16:02.000 So let's just give a little taste of what actually the inside of that auditorium looked like, 170.

00:16:24.000 So Rob Schneider, thank you for your time.

00:16:26.000 I know you got a dash.

00:16:28.000 You're a busy man, but thank you again for your courage, your bravery, your willingness to step forward and serve the country, to serve our students and to serve Turning Point USA.

00:16:36.000 You're a good man and a great patriot.

00:16:38.000 We thank you.

00:16:39.000 It's an honor to be here.

00:16:40.000 And I will tell you that, like, it really was that empty chair next to me broke my heart.

00:16:46.000 And I want to send my love out to Erica and to all the people at Turning Point USA, where it will always feel like it's Wednesday and the day that Charlie passed.

00:16:58.000 So two months later, it really filled me with a conviction for love of country, but it really filled me with the Holy Spirit that and all that, the pressure and all the tension and the love of the people in that room and the love for Charlie.

00:17:16.000 And I compared it to, and rightfully so, for these young people, their experience is like Martin Luther King was killed and gave his life fighting for sanitation workers so that they could have a decent living, so they were able to be able to, you know, take care of their families in a way where it was decent.

00:17:36.000 And Charlie Kirk wanted children, wanted young minds to be able to unlock themselves from this academia that was force-feeding them to be advocates to an illiberal policy that was anti-American, anti-Western civilization.

00:17:55.000 And we have to continue to expand freedom and to remind people how precious this experiment in freedom is.

00:18:03.000 And Charlie knew that better than anybody.

00:18:05.000 He was a living, breathing, brilliant modern-day founding father.

00:18:10.000 And I'm so glad that I was able to tell him that before he passed.

00:18:15.000 And that missing chair, that empty chair, for me, it'll always be Wednesday as well.

00:18:20.000 So I want to send love out to everybody and all those wonderful kids who attended the other day and everybody at Turning Point USA.

00:18:26.000 God bless you and thank you for the honor of having me there.

00:18:32.000 That's beautiful, Rob.

00:18:34.000 Thank you so much for saying that.

00:18:35.000 Again, I know you got a dash, but we're grateful you made the time.

00:18:38.000 I know you squeezed this in to do this show today.

00:18:41.000 And you're just a good man.

00:18:43.000 You're a good patriot, Rob.

00:18:45.000 And you're full of love.

00:18:46.000 They're going to tell you that you're a hater, you're fascist, all this stuff.

00:18:50.000 Just keep making us laugh.

00:18:51.000 Keep doing it.

00:18:51.000 We're going to keep asking you to come out and talk to these students.

00:18:54.000 And we just appreciate it, man.

00:18:56.000 I'll do it.

00:18:56.000 And I'll come sit with you.

00:18:57.000 I want to come in for the whole hour.

00:18:58.000 We'll have a good time.

00:18:59.000 Oh, I love that.

00:19:00.000 Yes.

00:19:00.000 Let's do it soon.

00:19:01.000 Let's do it soon.

00:19:02.000 Thank you, Mark.

00:19:02.000 I know how to get a hold of you.

00:19:03.000 So that's good.

00:19:05.000 All right.

00:19:05.000 Thanks, Rob.

00:19:06.000 God bless you.

00:19:07.000 All right.

00:19:07.000 I got to play this clip here.

00:19:10.000 This is the police chief at UC Berkeley.

00:19:13.000 I believe it's, I believe we got it loaded.

00:19:15.000 Yeah, we do.

00:19:15.000 This is a police chief at UC Berkeley, Yoganda Yogananda, Yoganada Pittman, Yoganada.

00:19:22.000 You can't make this stuff up.

00:19:23.000 She used to be a Capitol Police officer in charge of Intel. 0.99

00:19:29.000 Let me fact-check that in just a second, but we'll play this clip.

00:19:32.000 And she is like all in on the DEI stuff.

00:19:37.000 So she went from Capitol Police, probably during J6, over to UC Berkeley and became their police chief.

00:19:44.000 Play Cut 257.

00:19:45.000 When I started with U.S. Capitol Police, there were zero, as in no persons of color and no women in leadership positions. 1.00

00:19:56.000 I wanted to be a change agent, not only for my organization, but for the profession.

00:20:03.000 I didn't want any women to have to have the experiences that I had when I was oftentimes sitting in a room that was occupied by only white men.

00:20:18.000 Okay, Mikey, you got your answer.

00:20:21.000 You want to point the finger somewhere?

00:20:22.000 Talk about what?

00:20:23.000 You know what?

00:20:24.000 I think that's why they were rioting.

00:20:25.000 There were not enough black, Indigenous, trans police officers on site, and therefore they were upset about it, and therefore that's why they rioted. 0.99

00:20:32.000 That's clearly what's happening. 0.75

00:20:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:36.000 Well, check this out.

00:20:37.000 So she's the chief police at UC Berkeley now, Yogananda Pittman.

00:20:42.000 And she was in charge of intelligence for the U.S. Capitol Police before and during J6 and became acting chief.

00:20:49.000 And then, you know, apparently Chief Sund from J6 said that she failed to warn of planned J6 violence.

00:20:58.000 Jeez.

00:20:59.000 So look at this.

00:21:00.000 All the weird connecting dots.

00:21:01.000 Throw her picture up there if you could.

00:21:04.000 Just keep it up there.

00:21:06.000 So it really is like an institutional thing.

00:21:08.000 We talked a little bit about the UC Davis attack when they broke all the windows.

00:21:13.000 And yesterday on Turning Point Tonight, we lit up Gary May, who's the chancellor over there, who before that event put out a video saying, hey, by the way, I know we all hate these people, but we're legally obligated to have them on campus.

00:21:29.000 What would have been a correct response is, hey, by the way, we uphold the culture of free speech at this university.

00:21:35.000 He didn't need to say we agreed with them.

00:21:37.000 He didn't need to say anything other than this is going to happen, but instead said, all of you people that are, your feelings are hurt that these people are here, I agree with you.

00:21:46.000 And unfortunately, my hands are tied by the law and I have to let them speak.

00:21:50.000 This happens every single time we go to a UC school.

00:21:52.000 UCLA was the same way.

00:21:54.000 They had some weird list that you had to be on like a week in advance so that you can get into the event.

00:21:59.000 And that's why the event was half full because they stopped everybody prematurely from coming to the thing.

00:22:05.000 And it's a systematic problem, specifically at the UC schools.

00:22:10.000 And it seems to be evidenced by, at least in part, the DEI police chief they've got over there.

00:22:16.000 Well, excuse me.

00:22:19.000 I don't mean to.

00:22:20.000 It's that bad.

00:22:21.000 It really is.

00:22:21.000 All the dots connecting.

00:22:23.000 And these schools, they do sabotage our events.

00:22:25.000 It's very active how they sabotage.

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00:23:38.000 We do have the great Andrew Cipher, however, and we have the great Joe Bob and the great Mikey Book.

00:23:43.000 Could just keep talking about Berkeley because, Andrew, I mean, you plan that.

00:23:48.000 Okay, this actually is a good point.

00:23:50.000 Give me the rundown of what actually happened because you and I talked two different times.

00:23:58.000 You were explaining how this kind of sabotage happens.

00:24:02.000 Give us the rundown.

00:24:03.000 Well, it's kind of to be expected at this point with the UC schools.

00:24:07.000 Anytime you're going to a University of California school, you just know that they're not going to cooperate.

00:24:12.000 Legally, they're bound to, and so they're going to do what they must at a minimum.

00:24:16.000 But that's it, at a minimum.

00:24:18.000 Yeah.

00:24:18.000 And so, day of, a couple weeks out, they decided to switch the ticketing policy on us.

00:24:26.000 It's kind of par for the course.

00:24:28.000 They always liked, oh, by the way, no longer can we use your ticketing system.

00:24:31.000 You have to use ours.

00:24:32.000 We're not going to allow standby tickets anymore.

00:24:36.000 And then we fought them on that.

00:24:37.000 Okay, we'll give you 150 standby tickets.

00:24:40.000 We're like, well, you do realize this venue, you know, accommodates 2,000 plus people, and there's 6,000 people that want to come that we have on the books.

00:24:50.000 And that's just who we have on the books.

00:24:51.000 We have way more, thousands more that wanted to come on top of that. 0.78

00:24:54.000 So we knew the games they were going to play.

00:24:56.000 Day of, they brought in the entire police squad.

00:25:00.000 Not just their campus police, but they contracted other police, other security.

00:25:04.000 They blocked off the entire quad right in front of the entrance of the theater.

00:25:10.000 And they had four entrances that they were going to use.

00:25:15.000 But they decided to go with one, one entrance, which created a V-shaped funnel to get into the theater.

00:25:21.000 We've seen this before.

00:25:23.000 And where did the protests set up?

00:25:25.000 Right next to, not just right next to, right in front of the one entrance that they gave for our attendees.

00:25:29.000 What are they called?

00:25:30.000 So free speech plaza or something?

00:25:32.000 Free speech zone?

00:25:34.000 They designate, police will designate a free speech zone protesters. 0.99

00:25:38.000 Such a garbage name. 0.62

00:25:39.000 And by the way, every other tour stop where they've done this, they've always put the free speech zone away where they cannot obstruct the attendees. 0.98

00:25:46.000 Well, yeah.

00:25:47.000 And also just for safety, just to keep them far enough away from each other.

00:25:50.000 So you don't see what we saw the other night, which was people confronting each other.

00:25:54.000 Well, and again, I don't want to sound repetitive, but they do this at all the UC schools.

00:25:58.000 At UC Davis, it was the same thing.

00:26:00.000 All of the attendees got funneled through the one spot that all of the Antifo people were. 0.73

00:26:06.000 We're talking.

00:26:08.000 It's a deterrent.

00:26:09.000 It's a big point.

00:26:10.000 Do you think the police do that on purpose?

00:26:14.000 I think the police cooperate with administrators.

00:26:17.000 I think that's the best.

00:26:18.000 I think the administrators are saying this is what we want to do.

00:26:20.000 The police will then sign off on it.

00:26:22.000 Because here's the thing: standby people and our perspective, all attendees that wanted to get in, they weren't ushered in until the police took over.

00:26:32.000 Once it started to get a little chaotic, there was violence happening when they're imitating gunshots, imitating, reenacting, essentially reenacting the assassination of Charlie.

00:26:41.000 They're playing clips, and then they had a car backfiring at the end of Charlie's live recording of that day.

00:26:49.000 At that point, everyone was starting to freak out because they thought it was gunshots.

00:26:53.000 People were running.

00:26:54.000 They were running.

00:26:55.000 And at that point, the police said, administrators, stand by.

00:26:58.000 We're taking charge.

00:26:59.000 We're letting everybody in.

00:27:00.000 Good.

00:27:01.000 And so it was the police that came to our aid in the name of safety.

00:27:04.000 Yeah, I think the police will step in and do their job if they're given the ability to, right?

00:27:10.000 This is a hint of the administrative state.

00:27:13.000 Both on college campuses in the UC system, but then also in our government.

00:27:18.000 Like when administrators get involved, things go south.

00:27:22.000 But I think you're totally right.

00:27:24.000 All of the police officers and the police presence there were working their best to actually get people into the venue.

00:27:29.000 But I do think they were positioned in a terrible way.

00:27:32.000 And it's either incompetence or handicapped. 1.00

00:27:36.000 I'll take the latter.

00:27:38.000 I agree with you.

00:27:39.000 I think so too.

00:27:39.000 But those are the only two options.

00:27:41.000 I mean, we always say big government sucks around here.

00:27:44.000 The college administrations and institutions as a whole are so bureaucratic that they don't even know who is their boss.

00:27:52.000 When you're at this event, there are literally so many staffers and policemen that if you go to them, you say, who's calling the shots here?

00:28:00.000 They're like, I don't know.

00:28:01.000 I don't know.

00:28:02.000 I don't know.

00:28:03.000 And so when chaos is happening, which when it started to unfold, the imitated gunshots, everything.

00:28:10.000 No one knew what to do because they all had four different bosses and they didn't know who to go to.

00:28:15.000 And when you went to that boss, they said, well, I have to get it approved by my other boss.

00:28:18.000 And then that person has to get approved by another boss.

00:28:20.000 It just goes to show how ineffective these events, if they just refer, defer to the experts, which we are, defer to the campus police.

00:28:29.000 These events could be run so much smoother as they are in every other state.

00:28:34.000 Is California the hardest state to work with?

00:28:37.000 It's not even close.

00:28:38.000 Gavin.

00:28:39.000 It's Gavin's fault.

00:28:40.000 Well, it's because his son is a huge fan of Charlie Kirk, but now he doesn't want to admit it.

00:28:44.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 That bothers me so much, by the way.

00:28:47.000 Me too.

00:28:48.000 He's just lying.

00:28:49.000 Anyways, maybe his son's not a fan anymore.

00:28:51.000 I don't know.

00:28:52.000 All right.

00:28:52.000 Allie Beth Stuckey, conservative millennial, the host of the Relatable Podcast on Blaze TV.

00:28:58.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:29:00.000 Well, I'm glad to be here.

00:29:01.000 Thanks for having me.

00:29:02.000 Well, so I'm going to bring in Andrew Cipher, who's our great vice president of field ops at Turning Point USA for this part, Allie, because I'm not going to, I'm just going to say, why don't you, you do it?

00:29:14.000 Because the timeline of this, I think, will play into some larger conversations.

00:29:19.000 So tell us about an event, Cypher, that we just couldn't.

00:29:24.000 Well, I mean, here's the thing.

00:29:25.000 So we just concluded our official, this is the turning point tour two days ago.

00:29:30.000 Allie, you were a great part of that.

00:29:32.000 Thank you so much.

00:29:33.000 Fantastic part of that.

00:29:34.000 Thank you for coming.

00:29:35.000 We know Charlie, you were one of the first people he wanted to come on the tour.

00:29:40.000 Thank you.

00:29:40.000 It's an honor.

00:29:41.000 But here's the exciting thing.

00:29:42.000 People want in on it.

00:29:43.000 They want to continue the movement that we're seeing on these college campuses.

00:29:47.000 These tour stops are exploding in every way.

00:29:52.000 And in fact, so we just got off the phone and we just finalized a plan to have two more fun events.

00:29:58.000 They're not part of the official tour, but we're going to just keep in the energy and momentum as long as we have for the remainder of the semester.

00:30:04.000 One's going to be at George Washington University with a man that Charlie loved.

00:30:09.000 And he wins that one.

00:30:10.000 Next Monday at Washington University.

00:30:12.000 So just so we're just so we're tracking the time.

00:30:16.000 That's a week out.

00:30:17.000 Yeah.

00:30:17.000 And we just decided to do it today.

00:30:19.000 So this team confirmed with us late last night.

00:30:21.000 All right.

00:30:21.000 And then there's a second one that you can actually be more specific.

00:30:23.000 This one I can share the details with.

00:30:26.000 But someone that Charlie really wanted on the tour was Tom Homan, our favorite czar.

00:30:33.000 And so Tom Homan will be coming to University of Texas at El Paso.

00:30:40.000 And it's just a very fitting location because the campus sits on top of a hill overlooking the border wall.

00:30:47.000 So I think it's very fitting.

00:30:48.000 And Charlie wanted to bring Tom Homan to that.

00:30:51.000 Charlie really wanted Tom.

00:30:52.000 So immigration. 0.90

00:30:54.000 Yeah, because immigration is so key.

00:30:55.000 So Allie, you have, we just did two events.

00:30:58.000 This magician over here, one is in a week and one is in a month.

00:31:02.000 And I think that's interesting because a little bit of controversy erupted on social media about the UVU event.

00:31:10.000 And you kind of waded into that debate about how long out we plan these events.

00:31:14.000 And this is the guy that is instrumental in helping plan so many of them.

00:31:18.000 He has a whole big team, but sometimes these things come together months in advance.

00:31:21.000 Sometimes they come through in a week.

00:31:24.000 And so you have been a part of that conversation.

00:31:27.000 Yeah, it was just, it was bothering me.

00:31:28.000 And I never claimed to have any like secret knowledge or insight.

00:31:32.000 I just had the information that I had as someone who has been on campus with Charlie before, Auburn in 2022, and then on campus is without Charlie too.

00:31:41.000 And I just know from experience that these things can come together at the last minute.

00:31:46.000 Maybe not always, as you guys could say.

00:31:48.000 Sometimes it's months in advance.

00:31:49.000 Sometimes it's weeks in advance.

00:31:51.000 Maybe sometimes it's days in advance.

00:31:53.000 But he texted me along with Mikey and he said, would love for you to be on campus November 3rd.

00:31:59.000 This is at the end of August.

00:32:00.000 And I was like, What campus?

00:32:03.000 Like, give me some information.

00:32:04.000 I would love to.

00:32:06.000 I'll go anywhere.

00:32:07.000 But like, where is it?

00:32:08.000 And he said, oh, it's either Auburn or this other university in Alabama.

00:32:12.000 I think Mikey responded and said that.

00:32:14.000 And I'm like, okay, so like, we're eight weeks out.

00:32:17.000 We don't know which campus it is.

00:32:19.000 But I was like, yeah, I'm game.

00:32:20.000 Like, you know, let's do it whenever.

00:32:22.000 But that just happened to be how a lot of these events in my experience came together.

00:32:27.000 So to say that there was something nefarious because UVU was booked last minute just didn't track with me.

00:32:32.000 Well, I mean, just so everybody's aware, especially anything with Charlie connected to it, like Charlie is the definition of controlled chaos, and he's constantly pushing the team to do more and cram more events in.

00:32:45.000 Joe Bob, you're getting the call like late, like, hey, you got to open this event like tomorrow, by the way.

00:32:50.000 Where are you?

00:32:50.000 I was going to say, there was one time where three days before he said, can you go to Davos, Switzerland across the world?

00:32:59.000 And of course, I was like, yeah, I'd definitely make that happen.

00:33:02.000 But also a little bit of heads up would have been nice.

00:33:06.000 That's like a common refrain.

00:33:07.000 Like, oh, okay, the little advanced, and we're just like, it's pure controlled chaos.

00:33:11.000 And your events team, well, it's not the events team.

00:33:14.000 This is another, I think people don't understand our events team for like conferences and big like conventions and multi-day thing is completely different than our field team, which plans the campus stuff.

00:33:26.000 So it's like two different teams.

00:33:28.000 Yeah, and people need to realize when you're working on campus, the reason why we separate the two, we have a tourist team and then we have an events team is because working with schools, as we've shared with you, it's a whole different layer of bureaucracy and policies you have to abide by.

00:33:43.000 As Allie said, she's like, I didn't even know what school she was going to.

00:33:46.000 We probably didn't even know what school she was going to. 0.72

00:33:48.000 We just wanted to make sure she was good for the tour.

00:33:50.000 And then we had to go present all these names to the schools and say, hey, when works for you, what availability do you have for the largest school rooms you have on campus?

00:33:58.000 And when it comes to these campuses, you know, sports are given, athletics are given that first priority, then academia, and then student groups are given third, you know, we're third in line to be able to get these.

00:34:11.000 We're lowest on the pecking order to reserve our space at these campuses.

00:34:14.000 So oftentimes you're like, well, we want to event this size, but we have to wait for which school is going to come through with the goods.

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00:35:23.000 All right, Allie, this was your text exchange with Charlie that you mentioned, 260.

00:35:29.000 So this is, hey, would love to have you join us on campus 11.3.

00:35:33.000 And you go, send more info and you can.

00:35:36.000 And then Mike chimes in.

00:35:37.000 November 3rd at 6.30, either Auburn University, 5,000 seats.

00:35:41.000 It's actually 6,000, I think, is what we realized.

00:35:43.000 Or University of South Alabama, 2,800 seats.

00:35:46.000 So it's like, you know, you build the plane as it's taking off sometimes.

00:35:49.000 And that's just, that's just the way it is.

00:35:52.000 Well, I mean, with our halftime show, we announced the halftime show and we were like, well, we're going to.

00:35:58.000 We'll fill in the details later.

00:35:59.000 details later yeah we know we know that we have all the yeah exactly And by the way, don't let perfect be the enemy of good and don't let perfection get in the way because like at the end of the day, we have multiple venues at the halftime show that are open and want to work with us and we're kind of making last determinations on that.

00:36:17.000 We have lots of talent that wants to work with us and we're making final determinations on that.

00:36:21.000 And that's just the way events get planned.

00:36:24.000 If you force yourself to have all the I's dotted and the T's crossed before you even start Allie, you're never going to get started.

00:36:31.000 Yeah, so true.

00:36:32.000 And I always love that about Turning Point.

00:36:34.000 I love yes, people.

00:36:35.000 I love that when someone has a creative idea, when people say, let's see how we can make it happen, instead of, well, here's why that's not going to work.

00:36:43.000 As someone who like has a lot of ideas myself, my favorite people are the people around me who are like, yes, let's see what we can do.

00:36:50.000 And it sounds to me like Charlie, you know, filled his life with people like that.

00:36:54.000 I was also looking back at my text with my assistant from 2022 when I was speaking at Auburn, which was such a fun time.

00:37:01.000 We spoke on March 31st.

00:37:03.000 On March 22nd, my assistant texted me and said, I am on a call today to talk about location for Auburn, the time for Auburn, and the subjects for Auburn.

00:37:14.000 So literally a week in advance, we were putting things together and figuring out what are we going to talk about and when.

00:37:20.000 So again, in all of my experiences with Turning Point, everything has been excellent.

00:37:24.000 Everything has been organized and good, but it's a little last minute sometimes.

00:37:28.000 That's just how things go.

00:37:30.000 Well, we have so many events all over the country.

00:37:33.000 Okay, you actually did some data on this.

00:37:35.000 Do you want me to pull it up?

00:37:36.000 Because it's in our Telegram chain.

00:37:38.000 But here, I'll pull it up.

00:37:40.000 But the number of events, people do not understand just how much we're doing.

00:37:46.000 So let me just pull this up.

00:37:48.000 Look at this.

00:37:49.000 So this would be high school numbers, recruitment tablings, over 3,400, chapter meetings, over 3,200 chapter meetings, 600 plus events on high schools.

00:38:03.000 That's just high school.

00:38:04.000 So then you add college, fall numbers, 2025, 8,000 recruitment tabling events, chapter meetings, 4,050, and over 500 college events.

00:38:17.000 This is all happening all the time, every week, day in, day out, day in, day out.

00:38:23.000 And that's what people don't realize.

00:38:24.000 So when they're saying, how do these events get planned last minute?

00:38:27.000 How do these events come together?

00:38:28.000 Well, what they don't realize is our campus tour.

00:38:31.000 Yeah, that's kind of our signature tour, right?

00:38:33.000 That's what everyone sees.

00:38:35.000 We put in our biggest production value and our biggest investment into that.

00:38:39.000 You're going to have the biggest audiences.

00:38:40.000 But what people don't see is that day in and day out, we're going to do nearly 1,200 campus events this fall alone on college and high school campuses.

00:38:51.000 Many of which Allie has been to, the ones I teased.

00:38:55.000 And these are not just small little, you know, talking with 10, 15 kids.

00:38:59.000 These are events on the regular where we're bringing in 500 plus students to hear from Tom Holman and other big speakers of the administration and local pundits.

00:39:09.000 And so, and a lot of this, what's unique about Turning Point is it's not a top-down organizational structure.

00:39:16.000 It's a bottom-up.

00:39:17.000 We're here to serve the students.

00:39:18.000 These students come to us and say, hey, I want to host Allie Bestucky on my campus. 1.00

00:39:21.000 How do I make that happen?

00:39:23.000 And so then these students put in all the legwork, and it's truly an organic manifestation of the movement.

00:39:29.000 Okay, Allie, you saw the clips.

00:39:31.000 You've seen the reaction from UC Berkeley.

00:39:33.000 We just had Rob Schneider, comedian actor, who was there at the event.

00:39:37.000 Joe Bobby sitting to my left was there at the event.

00:39:39.000 When you, as somebody that goes and speaks on college campuses with us and you see this kind of craziness, what's going through your head?

00:39:46.000 Man, oh man, I was just talking to Frank Turek about this and just how sad the whole thing was and how there's probably going to be a whole case about this, like a civil rights conflict that went on here just because UC Berkeley didn't uphold their end of the contract to allow this to go on and to take the right measures.

00:40:04.000 And so to me, that is what is even more frightening to me.

00:40:08.000 It's not only that we've got these agitators who are very violent and pro-death and mocking Charlie's murder, just disgusting, but also that the people who are put in place to protect free speech and to protect people like me who say things that are considered controversial may not have my back and may not have the backs of the turning point students or the people in attendance.

00:40:31.000 That is scary.

00:40:32.000 This is an institutional corruption and condoning of violence that I think all of us need to be very aware of.

00:40:39.000 What do you want to see happen?

00:40:41.000 Oh, well, I think that UC Berkeley, I think that their funding should be suspended.

00:40:45.000 I mean, they get a lot of money from the government.

00:40:48.000 And I would love to see the Trump administration go after universities like this that don't uphold a commitment to free speech, that violate the First Amendment rights of the attendees and of the speakers there.

00:40:59.000 Basically, you know, it's a heckler's veto.

00:41:01.000 All of the people who are protesting, they're the ones who get to shut down speech when the university said, no, we're going to protect and allow this event.

00:41:10.000 No, there should be consequences for that, not rewards for that.

00:41:14.000 And they need to, these universities need to be held accountable.

00:41:17.000 And these police officers also need to be held accountable for purposely failing to do their jobs.

00:41:24.000 So, Cypher, I want to bring you into this with Allie here because, I mean, you said something to me, and I don't mean to put you on the spot, so feel free to push back.

00:41:33.000 But you said when you heard those, the car backfire, and all your staff that was there on, a lot of you were there at UVU.

00:41:42.000 What goes through your mind when that happens?

00:41:46.000 When you hear what sounds like a gunshot go off?

00:41:49.000 Now, keep in mind, the backfiring happened outside the perimeter of security.

00:41:55.000 So we're in the quad.

00:41:56.000 All of our staff are within the quad.

00:41:59.000 And then there's a wall of police.

00:42:01.000 There's barriers.

00:42:02.000 And then there's hundreds of protesters, many of which are on the shoulders of other protesters.

00:42:09.000 So you can't see beyond the protesters and they're screaming and the vile things they're saying.

00:42:13.000 You can't even see who they are, by the way, because they're all covered up.

00:42:16.000 And so when you're hearing that backfiring, which sounded identical to the same pop that we heard at University, Utah Valley University, I looked around and I saw many of my staff who were there at the first on September 10th, many of which just went into a state of paralysis.

00:42:37.000 I have to admit, even myself, the first time it happened, I remained lucid.

00:42:40.000 I was very aware of my surroundings.

00:42:42.000 This time it was a look.

00:42:43.000 I looked at a peer who was also there at the first one, and we looked at each other as if, well, if it's meant to be, Lord, I understand.

00:42:53.000 But then I looked at other staff.

00:42:54.000 You should not be in that position.

00:42:55.000 I'm so sorry.

00:42:56.000 It was just the PTSD is real.

00:43:00.000 But here's the thing, is many of the staff did not run.

00:43:05.000 They stood their ground and they immediately said, we need to get all of our attendees out there outside the safety perimeter inside now.

00:43:14.000 And that was immediate action.

00:43:15.000 Many thoughts of everyone around us was how do we get everyone to safety?

00:43:19.000 How do we get those that deserve to be in here in here and keep those vile people outside? 1.00

00:43:25.000 It's heroic.

00:43:25.000 Allie, final 20 seconds to you.

00:43:28.000 You know what?

00:43:28.000 Everywhere we see progressivism, everywhere we see these communist activists on the ground, we see violence.

00:43:35.000 And this is not just true in America in the past five years.

00:43:38.000 This has been true for the past hundred plus years that communism and militant leftism has been around.

00:43:44.000 They cannot exist without violence, without vile hatred, without the celebration of gruesome death.

00:43:51.000 This is what the ideology is, and we need to face that.

00:43:54.000 Thank you, Ali Beth Stuckey, Mikey McCoy, Joe Bob, Ty Lafey, Andrew Cypher.

00:43:59.000 We'll see you tomorrow.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 13, 2025

The Berkeley Aftermath

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