00:00:44.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:46.000So what is a pregnancy resource center?
00:01:47.000So the pregnancy resource center is the pro-life alternative to an abortion clinic.
00:01:51.000They provide all of their resources for free.
00:01:54.000And most of them, Charlie, provide all of the same non-controversial medical resources that an abortion center does, minus the baby butchering part.
00:02:52.000And let's just kind of start at the basics, which is for a listener right now who might be agnostic on it without knowledge or just kind of, people can make whatever decision is they see fit.
00:03:11.000I gave a talk to a Republican women's group recently in Simi Valley about why conservatives actually have to be pro-life if you want to call yourself a conservative.
00:03:47.000And Dr. Mildred Jefferson, the first black woman to graduate from Harvard Medical School, who started the National Right to Life Committee, once gave a defense of the pro-life position so persuasively on TV, Reagan watched it, wrote her a letter and said that he had become pro-life because of her presentation.
00:04:03.000And he wrote his book, Abortion in the Conscience of a Nation.
00:04:05.000And he makes this point, I think, to your question about why life is the most fundamental right and why we as conservatives need to get that right right.
00:04:14.000He says that Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free country as long as some men could decide that others are not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves.
00:04:26.000Likewise, we cannot survive as a free land today as long as some men can decide that others are not fit to live and should therefore be abandoned to abortion and infanticide.
00:04:36.000So there is no cause more important than affirming than the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have any meaning.
00:04:45.000Well, the other side will say, Seth, look, the fetus is the size of a pebble.
00:04:51.000You can't possibly say that's the same thing as a six foot three person.
00:06:18.000A whole human being is simply a human being who already has everything they need to realize their full growth and development as a participating member of the human species.
00:06:28.000And this is where our opponents, Charlie, get very confused when they say, well, I mean, maybe it's like biologically human.
00:06:47.000But they say it might be biologically human, but it's not a human like you and I.
00:06:51.000So this last concept is the most important for us to articulate to the next generation and to the pro-choice moderates and pro-choice activists in our country.
00:07:00.000A whole human being is similar to a Polaroid photo.
00:07:03.000So when you take a picture and this photo gets spit out and you start shaking it, waiting for it to develop.
00:07:08.000Now, let's say you captured a picture of a phenomenal sunset, Charlie.
00:07:12.000And right as that photo gets spit out, I rip it out of your hands.
00:07:16.000I tear it up into little pieces and I throw it to the side of the road.
00:07:44.000The same thing is true with our development.
00:07:46.000And in virtue of being human, the unborn child already has everything he or she needs to realize all of the different cognitive abilities, functions, and accidental properties that will come along with the level of development.
00:07:57.000But they have an underlying nature to realize those capacities.
00:08:01.000Similarly, my wife recently found out that men don't reach their mental peak until they're 40s.
00:08:06.000And our wives are probably very encouraged by that, right?
00:08:08.000They're really holding out hope for us.
00:08:10.000But that doesn't mean we're not whole human beings now.
00:08:13.000So we all find ourselves on a different tick mark on the continuum of human development.
00:08:17.000But when did the continuum of human development begin?
00:08:20.000Well, follow the science back to the moment of conception.
00:08:23.000So that's what the science of embryology teaches.
00:08:25.000So our value doesn't come from our size or our appearance and how we look like other born people.
00:08:33.000It comes just in virtue of our humanity.
00:08:35.000So that tiny baby at three, four, five, six weeks old actually looks exactly how a human is supposed to look like at that stage of development.
00:08:44.000And so that would be the size argument.
00:08:46.000So you talk about sled a lot, and let's go through it for our listeners.
00:09:12.000But that's the problem of living in a culture of death that has abandoned the moorings of a Judeo-Christian worldview is now we're lost at sea.
00:09:21.000And so what you said is very common to what we'd hear someone saying, of course.
00:09:40.000And Reagan once said that the most dangerous ideas in a society are not the ones being argued for, or I'm sorry, C.S. Lewis, are not the ones being argued for.
00:09:56.000You see, people tend to work out the logic of their position through their choices.
00:10:01.000And those choices reveal their deeply held worldview assumptions.
00:10:05.000But Charlie, how many people know why they believe what they can believe and can articulate a political and worldview vision that motivates and animates their beliefs?
00:10:13.000Very few, but they're still operating off of those deeply held assumptions.
00:10:16.000And so when for the listeners of your show, whenever we're talking about these pro-abortion arguments, people will just drop these lines that pack thousands of pounds of worldview assumptions, but they have no idea what they're operating off of.
00:10:28.000And so the job as an ambassador for the unborn, an ambassador for Christ, a watchman like Ezekiel is in scripture, is to be able to understand that and articulate that.
00:10:37.000Okay, so, you know, well, I guess it's a human, Charlie, but I mean, come on, it's, it's not very developed.
00:10:42.000And so because it's not very developed, right?
00:10:45.000Because it's not very developed, Charlie, don't you know they're not self-aware.
00:11:05.000Well, that's kind of strange because if you're only pro-choice up until the point when the baby can survive outside the womb, then medical advancements every few decades enable us to make the child viable at earlier and earlier stages.
00:11:17.000So are you saying that one's intrinsic dignity and natural right to life is dependent on the external advancements of scientists and the ideas that they come up with to make children viable at earlier and earlier stages?
00:11:28.000That's a very strange political vision of natural rights.
00:11:30.000But of course, that doesn't make any sense because our babies fully viable.
00:11:34.000No, if you leave an infant in a crib, they die.
00:11:37.000And what if mom tells the judge in a court of law, Charlie?
00:11:39.000Well, you know, Judge, my lesbian dance theory professor at UC Berkeley, she told me I have bodily autonomy.
00:11:46.000She told me I have bodily autonomy, my body, my choice.
00:11:50.000My breasts are part of my body, so I didn't nurse my infant because I have bodily autonomy.
00:11:55.000What judge would accept that form of argumentation?
00:12:03.000So obviously the viability one doesn't work.
00:12:06.000And if, and if you really want to go that route, that you only have rights if you're not dependent on someone or something else, then everyone dependent on insulin, heart pacemakers, kidney machines, life support, caretakers would all be non-person and can be killed.
00:13:21.000You're very ridiculous pro-abortion philosophers who make hundreds of thousands of dollars defending their bigotry that not all humans are persons.
00:13:28.000And so listen, I don't violate your rights, Charlie, unless I violate your desires.
00:13:33.000So if you don't have a desire for something, if I take away that thing, I haven't violated your rights because you never desired it.
00:13:40.000So the baby in the womb, oops, I said baby.
00:13:42.000The Untermensch non-person blob of tissue, which is a Nietzschean phrase.
00:13:54.000People with suicidal tendencies do not have a desire to go on living.
00:13:59.000By the way, suicidality is out the freaking window right now, thanks to Democrat policies who shut down the country and made young people stay at home.
00:14:07.000So, and young people, more people are dead from suicide in California than from COVID.
00:14:11.000Of course, that's the part of the fault of the Democrat Party.
00:14:13.000So I guess all those people were non-persons, right, Charlie?
00:14:15.000Because they didn't have a desire to go on living.
00:16:14.000You'll see an alternative way to flourish.
00:16:17.000And then your eyes shall be open and ye shall be as gods, right?
00:16:20.000Because a God gets to decide who lives and who dies and a god gets to live forever.
00:16:24.000People have always been asserting power over others and coming up with certain litmus tests, grounding them in cognitive functions, abilities, accidental properties, and then wielding that litmus test for personhood against the class of human beings that they don't like and had a vested interest in dehumanizing and mistreating.
00:16:43.000So the litmus test for personhood, Charlie, in 1940s Germany, they argued was appearance and religion.
00:16:49.000The litmus test for personhood in 1850 slavery America was, they argued, skin color and intellect.
00:16:55.000And the litmus test for personhood today that they wield against the pre-born is that the baby is smaller, less developed, in a different location, and more dependent.
00:17:05.000We've simply swapped one form of bigotry for another.
00:17:08.000And we're doing the same thing that Lincoln warned southern states were doing, putting in place the premises that justify their own enslavement.
00:17:16.000So Dr. Mildred Jefferson, who changed Reagan's mind, famously said, today it is the unborn child.
00:17:22.000Tomorrow it is likely to be the elderly and those who are incurably ill.
00:17:28.000Who knows but that a little later it may be anyone who has political and moral views that do not fit into the distorted new order.
00:18:30.000Our value does not come from our location.
00:18:32.000But thanks to American abortion law, Charlie, you can murder a baby through all nine months of pregnancy for any reason or no reason at all.
00:19:03.000But that is the conclusion of the premises of the pro-choice position, because you and I don't usually meet pro-choicers who defend infanticide.
00:19:13.000And I guess every senator except Joe Manchin and the Democrat Party actually does because they vetoed the Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act that Ben Sasse sponsored right after Ralph Northam said if a baby was born alive, we'd make them comfortable, resuscitate them if that's what the mother wanted, and then we'd let them talk about what to do with the baby.
00:19:32.000And they vetoed an anti-infanticide bill dozens of times.
00:19:35.000They actually are for infanticide, but most Americans who identify as pro-choice are not.
00:19:40.000So then the only conclusion you're left with saying is that the baby literally gets personhood and inalienable rights when the last toad leaves the birth canal.
00:19:48.000So unfortunately, the womb, Charlie, has become the most dangerous place for a human being to find themselves in America in 2021 today.
00:19:55.000You are more at risk of being murdered in the womb than you are residing or living in any dangerous city or crime-ridden slum.
00:20:02.000And it's so tragic and perverted because it was the location that you were created to be protected and valued.
00:20:08.000People don't understand the beauty of the womb.
00:20:10.000Some people, Charlie, and mothers who are pregnant and get cancer will opt for treatment anyways.
00:20:20.000And in most circumstances, the baby is completely unaffected by the chemo because that's how resilient the womb is to protect a child.
00:20:27.000And we've made it the most dangerous location.
00:20:29.000Then it's degree of dependency, right?
00:20:54.000So their primary claim and assumption is that one doesn't have a right to life or personhood until one can survive on one's own.
00:21:03.000But as we said earlier, that would disqualify the newborn as well.
00:21:06.000It would also disqualify the 92-year-old.
00:21:09.000Yeah, your grandpa on life support in the hospital.
00:21:13.000But if I snuck into the hospital pro-choicer and I slit your grandpa's throat, something tells me that you would say that was wrong.
00:21:20.000Or how about car crash victims that are 17 years old that have to be assisted with breathing for a couple of weeks as we reconstruct their bodies?
00:21:29.000Ultimately, this vision just leads to eugenics, right?
00:21:32.000Chesterton once said that if Darwinism was the doctrine of the survival of the fittest, then eugenics is the doctrine of the survival of the nastiest.
00:21:44.000And of course, that is the survival of the fittest, the conclusion of that, which is that, oh, those who require more support, we should just give up on them.
00:21:54.000If you're not fit enough to survive on your own, you know, too bad for you.
00:21:57.000So, here, so this is the way I want to go finish this conversation because this is important.
00:22:02.000So, when I speak at a lot of churches, you do too.
00:22:04.000And I learn a lot when I speak at churches.
00:22:38.000It is because this is just sort of the natural trickle-down effect of abandoning a Judeo-Christian worldview of an objective moral standard That makes sense of the moral law and our duties and responsibilities to our neighbors.
00:22:53.000And so, you know, when conservatives talk about slippery slope arguments, right?
00:22:57.000And the left goes, oh, come on, that's just stupid.
00:23:00.000Well, we've been right on pretty much every cultural slippery slope prediction.
00:23:16.000People tend to work out the logic of their positions through their choices.
00:23:19.000And so, you know, everyone's got to serve someone.
00:23:22.000So if you're not serving Christ, if you're not serving some transcendent moral order that makes sense of your liberty and your virtues and the choices that you should and ought to make and those that you should not and ought not to make, then man is his own God and he gets to decide.
00:23:36.000What is it, though, about the church and parents that are so excusing of children doing this?
00:24:15.000And yet, why are people so afraid to talk about this?
00:24:18.000Well, you might have seen some of the polling recently, Charlie, about the percentage of people who identify as Christian who believe that scripture is the inerrant, infallible word of God and that what it teaches is therefore correct.
00:24:34.000I mean, there are now a minority of Christians who do not believe that the scripture is infallible and inerrant.
00:24:54.000And so, and so much of this, of course, as you and I always talk about, and both of our pastor Rob McCoy always talks about, is right as the church in the pulpit has abdicated their spiritual obligation to preach the full counsel of God.
00:25:07.000We're just sending those people and our sheep into the arms of an alternative religion, which has their own very strange answers to fundamentally religious questions.
00:25:18.000They're just very different answers than what the church teaches.
00:25:21.000And so I think one of the reasons to your question, why is the church not talking about this?
00:25:26.000Wait to have sex till you get married.
00:25:27.000You'll be happier and you won't be faced with raising a child that you feel like maybe you're not prepared to raise God to change.
00:25:33.000It's because many of them are not living that way.
00:27:47.000And so this is the point that I make a lot in churches, Charlie, to try to rattle the souls of Christians awake to see the spiritual realities before them that the left has slapped the sticker science over and politics over in order to disguise their true agenda.
00:28:02.000Abortion is the greatest sacrament of the religion of secular progressivism.
00:28:07.000And Peter Kreft put this perfectly once.
00:28:40.000This is my body, my choice, and I'll kill whatever's inside of my body because a serpent told me in Genesis 3, ye shall be as gods, and I get to decide who lives and who dies.
00:28:51.000So not only is abortion the ultimate fulfillment of that first lie, Charlie, in man killing man and deciding who lives and dies, but it's also the fulfillment of that first lie in that we kill babies in order to extend our own lives and attempt to live forever.
00:29:05.000Let me break that down for your listeners.
00:29:18.000Repent and believe, and you'll live forever with me in eternity.
00:29:22.000The left is seeking to procure and secure, Charlie, what has already been secured for them on Calvary.
00:29:28.000The prenatal deity, the God-man, who entered human history in a uterus in order to redeem mankind from their sins, has already been beaten, abused, sheds his innocent blood for the remission of sins.
00:29:40.000But the culture of death, rather than accepting the broken body and shed blood of Christ for eternal life, demands that we break the bodies and shed the blood of babies for eternal life.
00:30:33.000They demand that we kill babies to get their parts through fetal tissue research and fetal tissue or fetal organ harvesting in order that those of us who need organs can get them.
00:30:43.000So, if you're Dr. Fauci, you fund the University of Pittsburgh where they scalp babies aborted between 20 and 24 weeks old, take the scalp of that child, insert it subcutaneously on lab rats to create humanized mice to test solutions to staph infections.
00:30:58.000Fauci funds the University of Pittsburgh.
00:31:15.000The same scientist behind both, Charlie.
00:31:17.000One was: we're trying to drop the unspoken 14-day limit on growing human beings artificially in labs.
00:31:25.000They want to see, Charlie, how long can we develop a human, a baby in a lab?
00:31:30.000Because the more developed and older we can get it without it being in its mother's uterus, we can experiment with prenatal gene editing.
00:31:38.000Now, that will kill the baby, but on nuts, shucks for the baby, too bad, because if we can perfect gene editing with babies and sacrifice their bodies, maybe we can perfect it before we practice it on ourselves and just edit out from the gene code certain susceptibilities to diseases that we don't like.
00:31:53.000So the baby simply becomes a sacrifice on man's pursuit for eternal life.
00:31:57.000Same scientists are creating human-monkey hybrids right now.
00:32:03.000To get their organs so that, oh, Charlie, you need an extra organ?
00:32:05.000Well, the little baby-monkey hybrids have some.
00:32:08.000In all four of those examples, the left insists that we murder human beings and sacrifice them in order to live longer.
00:32:15.000And pagan societies have been doing this forever: sacrificing infants, children, and adults to the weather gods, the sex gods, the crop gods, because their belief was in sacrificing a person, they would receive a blessing in return from that deity and their lives would be extended.
00:32:32.000But it's still demon worship, isn't it?
00:32:34.000Because if Yahweh is Yahweh, that means one God, which means any other small G god is not a god.
00:32:41.000It's Satan masquerading as a little freaking bronze dude.
00:32:44.000Satan is Molech, whom the Israelites and Canaanites were sacrificing their babies to.
00:32:49.000Satan is the dragon in Revelation, waiting for Mary to give birth to Christ to eat Christ.
00:32:54.000And of course, he's behind the killing of babies by Herod in Bethlehem and by Pharaoh in Egypt.
00:32:59.000Satan doesn't care what name you call him, as long as you continue to shove children down his throats, he will be satisfied and say yes and amen, for he is the God of the religion of secular progressivism whose greatest sacrament is abortion.
00:33:12.000So, Charlie, when we say if you don't get the right to life right, you won't get any other rights right.
00:33:21.000They have an inversion of that statement that animates their entire political project.
00:33:25.000It goes something like this: if you can invert the right to life, there's nothing else you can't invert.
00:33:31.000And if you can indoctrinate the public to celebrate and champion the genocide of babies under the euphemisms of reproductive justice and reproductive health care, then there is no end to your political project.
00:33:42.000So the entire liberal regime is actually built on the mutilated, murdered bodies of 63 million children.
00:33:48.000It's how they prop up their political regime, which is why every time a Supreme Court seat opens up, what's every Chiron?
00:33:55.000What's every statement from the mainstream media?
00:34:23.000I think that we won't win until the church decides to abandon, and let me quote you, their comfortable Christianity and embrace a comprehensive Christianity, to get our boots off the ground, to do what our friend Heidi St. John says, to get off the bench and start contending on behalf of the pre-born child, to learn from our spiritual forefathers, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Martin E. Moller, Eberhard Bethke, Sophie Scholl, Oscar Schindler, William Wilberforce, Frederick Dougon, Harriet Tubman.
00:34:59.000But until the bride of Christ wakes up and decides to contend on behalf of life first and then procuring every other right, liberty, pursuit of happiness, then we will not win.
00:35:09.000I will say this, though, in closing, I think is positive.
00:36:06.000And this is something that I tell churches that are pro-life, but not political or conservative.
00:36:10.000They're like, oh, I don't like Republics, all this.
00:36:12.000I'm like, you do realize that if you go give any pro-life one-liner at any of our events, that'll be the number one applause line of the entire event.
00:37:29.000As Reagan said, I've noticed everyone who's for abortion has already been born.
00:37:32.000It's one of the most beautiful people.
00:37:33.000And pro-choicers get very frustrated with that line because it is so ironic that you sanction the slaughter of children in a womb you once came from.
00:37:40.000So Unaborted with Seth Gruber, I do two episodes a week, one with me, one with a guest.
00:37:45.000And so if you want to become a pro-life ninja and flipping around, demolishing abortion bigotry wherever you find it, my podcast is home for you.
00:38:12.000Charlie, you and I have a friend and a very generous church partner of mine who has offered to underwrite all of my travel expenses and honorarium for churches, youth groups, or Christian schools who would like to bring me out to equip and fire up their people to defend life, but maybe who don't have the funds to make all that happen.
00:38:30.000So you can contact me through Sethgruber.com.