The Charlie Kirk Show - The Best Case for the Big Beautiful Bill

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00:00:05.000 Harmeet Dylan from the Office of Civil Rights at the Department of Justice joins us.

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00:02:27.000 Okay, I'm really excited about this conversation here.

00:02:29.000 We need to pass the big beautiful bill, and we need to properly educate the American people on the good stuff in this bill.

00:02:37.000 And joining us now is Steve Moran, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors in the White House.

00:02:43.000 Steve, great to see you.

00:02:44.000 I think we've crossed each other in the hall a couple times.

00:02:47.000 We were both late to meetings, but it's great to see you on the program.

00:02:50.000 Great to see you.

00:02:51.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:02:52.000 So, Steve, I'm going to give you the floor here.

00:02:55.000 You know this stuff super well.

00:02:57.000 The number one priority legislatively right now needs to pass Trump's big beautiful bill. 0.58

00:03:02.000 Walk us our audience through some of the lesser-known economic details as to why this will supercharge the economy, result in middle-class growth, and help young people in particular be able to take ownership of the American economy.

00:03:17.000 Great.

00:03:17.000 So that's completely right.

00:03:19.000 We need to pass this bill.

00:03:20.000 It is so important to get it over the line because if we don't, it's going to be the biggest tax hike in history, absolute biggest in history, $4 trillion tax hike on American workers and American families that'll plunge the economy back into recession.

00:03:33.000 On the other hand, if we do pass the tax bill, here's what's going to happen.

00:03:36.000 According to a study we just put on our website this morning at the Council of Economic Advisors at the White House, it'll boost the economy by about 4.6 to 4.9% over the next four years.

00:03:45.000 So that's a little over 1% a year.

00:03:47.000 It'll boost take-home pay after tax, you know, real income for a typical family of four by about $7,500 to as much as $11,000 over this period, right?

00:03:57.000 So that's more money in your pocket as a result of the bill.

00:03:59.000 More money in your pocket means a healthier economy, a stronger economy, better off families.

00:04:04.000 On top of that, you've got all sorts of deficit reduction coming as a result of this.

00:04:08.000 There's a lot of people who are concerned about the deficit.

00:04:10.000 I understand why.

00:04:12.000 The reason why they're concerned about the deficit is because of a too much, too big focus on the score from the Congressional Budget Office on the One Big Beautiful bill, which has the bad side effect of focusing only on one little picture, one little corner of the big picture.

00:04:27.000 You've got to see the big picture.

00:04:29.000 The big picture of what's going on is that President Trump's policies will create an economic growth boom, just as they did in the president's first term.

00:04:36.000 And this economic growth boom will bring down deficits, bring down the national debt.

00:04:40.000 We calculated that between the growth benefits as a result of the One Big Beautiful bill, the growth benefits as a result of the president's deregulatory agenda, cutting red tape so that companies can invest and hire workers when and where they want instead of spending years begging permission from Washington, better growth as a result of the president's energy policies to bring down the price of energy.

00:04:59.000 All of this can in total bring down the deficit by as much as $8.5 to $11 trillion over a 10-year window, right?

00:05:05.000 So this is huge amounts of deficit reduction.

00:05:08.000 Part of this is also the tariffs, right?

00:05:10.000 What the president is doing is raising tons and tons of money by taxing foreigners and using that money to cut taxes on American workers.

00:05:16.000 And I can't think of anything that's a more sensible policy than that.

00:05:19.000 Tariffs on foreigners used to pay for tax reductions on American families and American firms.

00:05:25.000 And that sounds great to me.

00:05:26.000 So you do all this together.

00:05:28.000 You know, you get a number of as much as $11 trillion of lower deficits over the 10-year budget window.

00:05:33.000 And then you look at what that does to the debt to GDP ratio, right?

00:05:36.000 So the current expectations are that it would be as high as 117% by the end of the next 10 years, right?

00:05:41.000 But what the president's policies would do would make it about over 20 points lower than that, 23 percentage points lower than that, right?

00:05:49.000 So this is very, very significant across the entire spectrum of outcomes.

00:05:53.000 It's huge economic growth.

00:05:55.000 It's huge wage growth.

00:05:57.000 It's huge growth in incomes for families.

00:05:59.000 It's huge reductions in deficits and it's huge reductions in the debt to GP ratio.

00:06:03.000 And it's such a win to pass this bill.

00:06:05.000 It makes absolute sense.

00:06:07.000 And if we don't pass this bill, if we don't get this bill over the line, it's going to be the biggest tax hike in history.

00:06:12.000 It's going to plunge the economy into recession, and it's going to hand the midterms to the Democrats.

00:06:16.000 Well, if you put it that way.

00:06:18.000 And so by the way, so let's dive into some of the details here.

00:06:23.000 The Senate is flirting with getting rid of no tax on tips, no tax on overtime.

00:06:29.000 Will that remain?

00:06:30.000 That'll remain.

00:06:31.000 Those are some of the president's signature promises from the campaign, and the president always delivers on his signature promises.

00:06:37.000 One by one, the president fulfills all of his campaign pledges, and these are part of that.

00:06:41.000 No tax on tips, no tax on overtime, tax relief for seniors.

00:06:46.000 And then those are extraordinarily powerful at keeping more money in people's pockets on a week-to-week, month-to-month basis.

00:06:52.000 And then on top of that, there's huge incentives in the tax bill for firms to invest, for firms to build new factories, for firms to buy more equipment, for firms to increase their productive capacity.

00:07:02.000 These are things like full expensing on equipment, full expensing on new factories and on R ⁇ D. And this is how you get firms doing more in America.

00:07:10.000 This is how you get firms hiring workers by providing incentives for them to invest.

00:07:15.000 They want to hire more American workers.

00:07:16.000 They want to pay American workers more.

00:07:18.000 We're going to make America the best place on earth to do business.

00:07:21.000 Let's go into some more of the details here.

00:07:23.000 So the extension of the Trump tax cuts, remind people what that means as far as deductibility and what would it mean for general economic growth.

00:07:35.000 Now, we're not totally obsessed with GDP numbers here on this program, but it does matter a lot when you're a debtor nation, which unfortunately we are a debtor nation.

00:07:44.000 You got no choice but to grow.

00:07:46.000 What does the extension of the Trump tax cuts mean for a needed explosion of economic growth?

00:07:54.000 So the Trump tax cuts from 2017 created the economic boom in the president's first term, which is part of why Americans voted overwhelmingly in a landslide to re-elect the president because they remember what it did for them, right?

00:08:06.000 They remember that it created record lows of unemployment with no inflation.

00:08:10.000 They remember that it boosted GDP by over half a trillion dollars relative to what people were expecting beforehand.

00:08:16.000 They remember that it boosted real median household income by over $6,000 only a year after it was passed.

00:08:23.000 They remember that it created about double the wage growth that they'd experienced during the length of the Obama administration when wages were very stagnant.

00:08:31.000 And they also remember that wage growth for the bottom of the income distribution for Americans in the working class, that that wage growth was about twice what it was for people who are ultra wealthy, right?

00:08:41.000 So they remember that the first Trump administration was not only an economic boom, it was a blue-collar boom.

00:08:45.000 And it was due in very large part to the tax cuts from 2017.

00:08:50.000 And if we don't extend those, if we allow those to expire, it'll be the biggest tax hike in history, a $4 trillion tax hike.

00:08:57.000 It'll plunge the economy into recession.

00:08:59.000 Millions of people will lose their jobs.

00:09:01.000 9 million people will lose their health insurance, and it'll be a really bad outcome.

00:09:05.000 So I want to continue to dive into some of the details and the elements here.

00:09:10.000 I know the Senate parliamentarian has taken a battle axe to a lot of this stuff, but let's also talk now about the spending cuts.

00:09:19.000 I know that we wish we would have more spending cuts, but this still is the greatest welfare reform in American history.

00:09:24.000 Is that correct?

00:09:25.000 Oh, it absolutely is.

00:09:27.000 And it's not just welfare reform in the sense of what we typically mean.

00:09:31.000 It's also corporate welfare reform.

00:09:33.000 When you think about the Green New scam, all of the hundreds of billions of dollars, trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, of money that ordinary families are taxed and forced to pay the government to fund these Green New Deal programs, which many of them are tilting at windows, sorry, tilting at windmills, much of this stuff is pulled back, right? 0.71

00:09:52.000 As it should be.

00:09:55.000 There's very little excuse for taxing hardworking Americans to pursue Green New Scam climate dreams.

00:10:02.000 Yeah.

00:10:03.000 And so in addition to that, what would you say to people that, I know you mentioned this earlier, are taking the CBO's numbers.

00:10:12.000 Do they have a good track record of being accurate or correct?

00:10:16.000 They do not.

00:10:17.000 And it has to do with the fact of what I said before is they're only looking at one little corner of the picture instead of seeing the entire big picture.

00:10:23.000 And what CBO does is they assign a score to every single provision in the bill.

00:10:28.000 And it's what they have to do for following the very Byzantine, complicated process of passing things through the Senate with a simple majority instead of the supermajority you need to overcome a filibuster.

00:10:39.000 Normally, you need to overcome a filibuster and you need 60 votes, and that's impossible to get with today's political climate.

00:10:45.000 But through the very specialized budget process, you can pass things with a simple majority, which we can do.

00:10:51.000 It requires the CBO to score things on a line-by-line basis, but that ignores the big picture of the effects of those items on the economy.

00:10:58.000 It ignores the big picture of the fact that economic growth is going to boom like it did in the president's first term as a result of these policies.

00:11:05.000 It ignores the big picture that the economy is going to boom because of other things like deregulation, like energy abundance.

00:11:10.000 It ignores the big picture that there's trillions of dollars of tariff revenue coming in.

00:11:15.000 It ignores the big picture that there's a trillion and a half of further cuts to waste, fraud, and abuse, like you were talking about before, that are coming administratively rather than through the legislation.

00:11:24.000 It ignores the big picture of a trillion and a half dollars of interest savings as a result of borrowing less, as a result of smaller deficits from all this economic growth.

00:11:32.000 And so the folks who are focusing on the CBO score are just using it for ends that it was never intended for.

00:11:38.000 They're using it, it's not fit for purpose for thinking about the broad deficit picture.

00:11:42.000 And, you know, folks are making too much of it.

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00:13:02.000 Steve Moran continues to ask.

00:13:04.000 So, Steve, can you also talk about the Trump baby investment account, the $1,000 investment account that every new baby will get if this bill passes?

00:13:16.000 What is the significance of this?

00:13:18.000 Oh, these are hugely significant because we know that starting to save for the future is one of the most important things that people can do to improve their financial acumen through their lives, to improve their retirement, to improve their ability to save for the future.

00:13:31.000 And what we'll get is Trump accounts.

00:13:34.000 We'll get MAGA accounts for every baby who's born in the United States.

00:13:37.000 And they'll get $1,000 deposited into this account by the government.

00:13:41.000 And that will be allowed to grow tax-free, tax-advantaged for years.

00:13:46.000 And it will, in the end, help kids learn the value of saving, help parents save for their kids' futures, and it will improve their lives throughout the course of decades to come.

00:13:56.000 What are any other components in the bill that you want our audience to be aware of that you feel as if the media is not doing a good job covering?

00:14:03.000 So, look, I mean, I think that at the end of the day, it's just really, really important to get this bill over the line, but there's all sorts of things, and it's important to get it over the line to avoid the biggest tax take in history, but there's all sorts of other things that are in the bill that are unrelated to tax that are super important.

00:14:17.000 Things like you talk about all the time, like funding for the border, right?

00:14:20.000 We need to crack down on the border.

00:14:21.000 We need the funding to improve border security, to make sure that Americans are protected in their lives and with reduced crime, to make sure that our young people can enter the labor market instead of being competed out by illegal migrants, to make sure that we control price pressures because large-scale immigration is incredibly inflationary.

00:14:40.000 And it's so important that we get that border funding in the bill over the line.

00:14:44.000 There's also other stuff in the bill that really advances the deregulatory agenda that we need in order to bring energy prices down.

00:14:51.000 And these are things like, you know, some of it is sort of details about, you know, how oil drilling is done or onshore and offshore and stuff like that.

00:15:00.000 But we got to move the ball forward on that stuff if we're going to lower gas prices for American consumers, if we're going to make people's commute easier, if we're going to put energy into every single part of the economy, whether it's building manufacturing so that we can have robust national security and defense, or getting service workers to their job sites, or even if it's remote workers at home on their laptops, right?

00:15:20.000 We need energy for everything.

00:15:21.000 And there's stuff in this bill that's dedicated to bringing the energy price down to deliver real savings to American families.

00:15:28.000 Phenomenal.

00:15:29.000 Final action call for our audience.

00:15:30.000 What is the timeline here to pass the Big Beautiful bill?

00:15:33.000 Well, we're hoping that the Senate passes it within a couple of days.

00:15:36.000 And then we're hoping that next week we'll have action from both chambers of Congress and the bill is signed into law.

00:15:43.000 That's what we want.

00:15:44.000 And that's what we expect to happen.

00:15:46.000 So the number one thing you can do is call your senator, tell him or tell her to pass the one big beautiful bill to get the tax bill done, to avoid the biggest tax sect in history, and to usher in the second Trump economic boom and the new golden age for America.

00:16:02.000 Very good.

00:16:02.000 Thank you so much, Steve.

00:16:03.000 Really appreciate it.

00:16:04.000 Thank you.

00:16:05.000 Thank you.

00:16:06.000 If we are serious about taking back America, it's going to go through the major American cities.

00:16:11.000 It's going to go through three major cities, L.A., Chicago, New York, one, two, three.

00:16:16.000 And all three are fortifying with communist mayors.

00:16:19.000 Understand, they are trying to fortify themselves against the American project.

00:16:23.000 We know what's happening in New York.

00:16:24.000 We see the Islamist, socialist that is ascendant there.

00:16:29.000 We know Karen Bass in L.A. is completely uninterested in governing her city. 1.00

00:16:33.000 It's total anarchy and bedlam in L.A. And then in my hometown of Chicago, this is 4.30.

00:16:40.000 We'll play this in a second.

00:16:41.000 Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson announcing that he'll be handing out race-based grants only to blacks for slavery reparations.

00:16:49.000 I think that Harmeet Dylan, who's our next guest in this segment, coming up next segment, she should use the Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Justice to investigate the city of Chicago. 0.99

00:16:58.000 So they're only going to give money to black people?

00:17:01.000 Play cut 430. 0.77

00:17:03.000 Our way will bring to black residents in reclaiming ownership of our own communities. 0.71

00:17:09.000 We need to be reminded as blacks here in Chicago in America, remembering our past and working towards a more just future, investing in black is not a criminal act.

00:17:20.000 429, he prioritizes hiring black people.

00:17:23.000 He is violating federal law when he does this.

00:17:26.000 I think Brandon Johnson should be looked into by the Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Justice.

00:17:30.000 Play Cut 429.

00:17:31.000 Some detractors that will push back on me and say, you know, the only thing that the mayor talks about is the hiring of black people.

00:17:39.000 No, what I'm saying is when you hire our people, we always look out for everybody else.

00:17:46.000 We are the most generous people on the planet.

00:17:48.000 And so business and economic neighborhood development, the deputy mayor is a black woman. 1.00

00:17:54.000 Department of Planning and Development is a black woman. 0.99

00:17:59.000 Infrastructure, deputy mayor, is a black woman. 0.99

00:18:02.000 Chief operations officer is a black man. 0.99

00:18:06.000 Budget director is a black woman. 1.00

00:18:09.000 Senior Advisor is a black man. 0.80

00:18:12.000 Do you feel safe in Chicago? 0.59

00:18:14.000 Would you allow your daughter to walk the city of Chicago unaccompanied at night?

00:18:20.000 I don't think so.

00:18:23.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

00:18:25.000 Think fossil fuels are climate villains that the legacy media and establishment politicos ask us to believe they are?

00:18:31.000 Well, think again.

00:18:32.000 Did you know that fossil fuels power the systems that keep us safe?

00:18:35.000 From air conditioning that prevent heat strokes to heating systems that protect against extreme cold?

00:18:40.000 They also provide low-cost power for our storm warning systems, giving us time to evacuate and save lives.

00:18:47.000 Forget being a villain, fossil fuels have literally been the hero in the prevention of billions of deaths and the extension of life.

00:18:54.000 In fact, over the past century, deaths from climate-related disasters like extreme temperatures, drought, floods, storms, wildfires have declined by 98%, thanks to fossil-fueled infrastructure and technology.

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00:19:26.000 Joining us now is a great friend of ours, Harmeet Dillon, Who is running the Office for Civil Rights at the Department of Justice?

00:19:33.000 Let me get the exact title: Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights.

00:19:37.000 Harmeet, great to see you.

00:19:39.000 Congratulations on your post.

00:19:40.000 Why don't you introduce our audience to what you do?

00:19:43.000 They know who you are, but what is your new role?

00:19:46.000 Well, thank you, Charlie, for your kind words and for having me.

00:19:49.000 The Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice is one of the biggest sections of the DOJ in Washington, and it has the weighty charge of enforcing the United States federal civil rights laws.

00:20:01.000 Everything relating from employment discrimination to discrimination in education, Title IX, Title VII, Title VI, the Klan Act, anti-discrimination laws involving aging, disability against veterans, and importantly, also all of our nation's federal voting laws.

00:20:22.000 So that's a huge scope of work.

00:20:25.000 What are some of the immediate things you're working on?

00:20:28.000 I know we have a list of some here, but walk our audience through kind of the one, two, three biggest items that are currently being worked on by your office.

00:20:37.000 Well, in the headlines today, just a little while ago, we filed a federal civil rights lawsuit in Orange County, California, challenging their failure to comply with the Help America Vote Act, which requires jurisdictions to maintain clean voter rolls.

00:20:51.000 And so that's an important lawsuit.

00:20:53.000 It's the second Hava lawsuit that we filed under my tenure here in DOJ.

00:20:58.000 The first one was against North Carolina.

00:21:00.000 And so similarly, North Carolina was out of compliance.

00:21:03.000 And so what we've been doing is asking for information from jurisdictions all over the United States one by one.

00:21:09.000 Colorado's got a letter from us and some others.

00:21:11.000 And so we wait for their responses.

00:21:12.000 And if their responses are not adequate, like Orange County's, we file suit to enforce these federal civil rights laws.

00:21:19.000 That's one big endeavor.

00:21:21.000 Another is enforcing our Title IX and anti-DEI policies of this administration.

00:21:28.000 And that's in compliance with the federal Supreme Court precedent, Students for Fair Admissions, which ruled last year that the institutions of higher learning that receive federal funding, which is almost all of them except for Hillsdale, must comply with our anti-discrimination laws and cannot use quotas to suppress admissions of Asians, whites, males, whatever category.

00:21:52.000 There has to be equal opportunity in admissions, not for groups, but for individuals.

00:21:56.000 But just about every institution in the United States that we've looked at seems to be out of compliance.

00:22:01.000 And so we are one by one sending letters to those as well.

00:22:04.000 I sent over 70 of them in my, I think, first or second week in office.

00:22:07.000 We're getting the data back.

00:22:08.000 We're crunching it.

00:22:09.000 We're drafting lawsuits, frankly.

00:22:12.000 And if we don't get compliance, there'll be a mess of lawsuits on our hands over there. 0.85

00:22:18.000 We're doing so many other cases involving veterans' rights and enforcing the laws that protect them from discrimination.

00:22:24.000 I mean, our service members rather.

00:22:26.000 And, you know, just every day is a different issue.

00:22:29.000 A big issue for me is equality of access for girls in sports.

00:22:34.000 That's an important part of Title IX.

00:22:36.000 And I sent a letter to California a couple of weeks ago demanding that all the schools who participate in California's Interscholastic Federation, which has allowed boys to take girls' trophies, comply with federal guidance on this issue.

00:22:49.000 And they sued me and the Attorney General in response to that.

00:22:52.000 So we're wending our way through the courts over there.

00:22:55.000 And so every day there's just new issues that we're dealing with.

00:22:59.000 Charlie, I'm taking in information from citizens, people I know, people I don't know all over the country.

00:23:05.000 We have a small team of political appointees here who are helping me and then some career folks as well.

00:23:11.000 But it's a huge job, like you said.

00:23:14.000 Yeah, it's a beast.

00:23:15.000 Before we go further into the details here, can you just tell our audience what Obama and Biden used this office for?

00:23:23.000 It was one of the biggest at the Department of Justice.

00:23:26.000 Yeah, there were over 400 attorneys when I got here to the Civil Rights Division.

00:23:30.000 They're less than half now because more than half of them quit when I made clear that our priorities were going to be enforcing the laws equally for all Americans, not just weaponizing it for a select few.

00:23:39.000 That's exactly what the Obama and the Biden administrations did.

00:23:42.000 They really staffed up the Civil Rights Division.

00:23:44.000 They took the opportunity to hire a bunch of radical lawyers who had a particular agenda.

00:23:51.000 And then they used that to, for example, advance the Marxist goal of defunding the police in the United States, which I think everyone who lives in a city is familiar with this problem.

00:24:02.000 And they concocted these consent decrees and really never proving them in court for the most part and just sort of forced them down the throats of these cities.

00:24:10.000 And a lot of cities were on the other side themselves having city council members who also wanted to defund the police.

00:24:17.000 They were happy that the DOJ was doing their dirty work for them and making it seem like this was a federal priority as opposed to a local priority.

00:24:24.000 So one of the first things we did when we came in in this new administration is begin to unwind those destructive consent decrees that have made Americans less safe.

00:24:34.000 The average consent decree in a city, Charlie, lasts over 13 years.

00:24:39.000 The goalposts keep shifting and it costs the city over $200 million.

00:24:44.000 Some fat cat lawyer and some big law firm on an expense account gets paid over a million dollars a year typically to enforce these consent decrees and crime goes way up in each city with these consent decrees.

00:24:56.000 That's called the Ferguson effect.

00:24:58.000 We don't want that to be the case.

00:25:00.000 There's the occasional cop who commits misconduct.

00:25:02.000 We prosecute those individuals and that is kind of the core of our constitutional system.

00:25:06.000 Individual opportunity, individual accountability, not group justice and not making all the citizens of Phoenix or Albuquerque or Seattle pay for the sins or frankly sometimes imaginary sins of a few.

00:25:20.000 And this was so weaponized intentionally to try and stop police from doing their job.

00:25:27.000 Is it conceivable that as we lift these consent decrees, violent crime in this country should go down?

00:25:33.000 Oh, 100%.

00:25:34.000 I mean, you know, you see it all over America that good cops who go into law enforcement and risk their lives to keep us safe every day, they flee cities with consent decrees at just radical levels.

00:25:48.000 And the reason is that instead of doing their job of policing, they have to do a bunch of paperwork.

00:25:53.000 They have to constantly meet with so-called community groups that are pushing a particular agenda.

00:25:58.000 And it makes their lives miserable and they Can't do the policing that they wanted to do.

00:26:02.000 So they go to another jurisdiction where they don't have to comply with these ludicrous rules forced from Washington by lawyers who've never tried a case and, frankly, are doing this from home during COVID.

00:26:13.000 And so it's really an unfair system, and we're putting a stop to it, full stop.

00:26:17.000 Pam Bondi and the president, it's a top priority of theirs. 0.99

00:26:21.000 And so whatever you see in the president's executive orders on any of these issues that touch on civil rights, we're doing that here in the DOJ.

00:26:29.000 So let's dive deeper into some of the details here.

00:26:33.000 And so this is from your account right here.

00:26:36.000 Allowing non-citizens to vote in elections is a violation of American people's rights to determine their future. 0.95

00:26:42.000 I don't want you to speculate, but what are some of the major other prime targets of potential non-citizens voting?

00:26:49.000 And what is the plan at DOJ to address this and get the non-citizens voting issue solved?

00:26:57.000 Okay, so big picture is that our election laws and our system of federalism are, first of all, made by, for the most part, by state legislatures.

00:27:06.000 That's an important point.

00:27:08.000 And there are some federal laws regarding clean voter rolls and other issues, National Voter Registration Act, Help America Vote Act.

00:27:17.000 There's also an important law called the Voting Rights Act, which is used in the subject of extensive litigation on the left and redistricting, really weaponizing it in one direction.

00:27:27.000 And so we don't have jurisdiction over everything.

00:27:29.000 So we don't have jurisdiction over how states do their thing for the most part.

00:27:34.000 But we do have jurisdiction over clean voter rolls, and that's the Help America Vote Act. 0.99

00:27:38.000 And in this case, Orange County received credible information from, you know, it's well publicized, that there were people on the voter rolls who are not American citizens.

00:27:46.000 And there's many ways that this can happen.

00:27:48.000 People go to register to vote and they check the wrong box.

00:27:52.000 It can be innocent.

00:27:53.000 It can be intentional.

00:27:54.000 It can be somebody committing fraud.

00:27:55.000 Who knows?

00:27:56.000 But the point is, every citizen is entitled to their vote counting equally with other citizens and other citizens only.

00:28:03.000 This is a fundamental premise of our democracy.

00:28:07.000 And the response I always get to this complaint that every violation of the Help America Vote Act and of our voter rolls is whatever, Harmeed, it's like voter fraud is so rare.

00:28:18.000 Well, it doesn't have to be fraud, but it could be any number of reasons.

00:28:21.000 But every citizen is entitled to their vote being counted once and being counted equally.

00:28:25.000 And that's not happening in any jurisdiction that is refusing to police their voter rolls and clean their voter rolls when they get a complaint like this that shows that there are non-citizens on the voter roll.

00:28:36.000 So we asked, that's the first step we always ask in the DOJ, hey guys, can you show us the data that we're entitled to under this federal law?

00:28:42.000 And they refused to give it to us.

00:28:44.000 So this lawsuit followed today.

00:28:46.000 And that's going to happen to other jurisdictions that are refusing to comply with the Help America Vote Act.

00:28:51.000 And we've sent letters out to other jurisdictions.

00:28:54.000 You know, local press has reported on Colorado and some other jurisdictions getting these letters.

00:28:59.000 We've asked them to preserve their evidence and we are asking for this information.

00:29:03.000 So one by one, we're going to make sure that states are compliant.

00:29:06.000 And sometimes it's counties that are out of compliance and sometimes it's states that are out of compliance like North Carolina.

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00:30:15.000 Harmeet Dillon here is from the Office of Civil Rights at the Department of Justice, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights.

00:30:22.000 So let me ask you, Harmeet, what can everyday people do?

00:30:26.000 What lawsuits can everyday rank and file people do and place that could potentially be helpful for what your department is trying to accomplish?

00:30:33.000 That's a great question, Charlie.

00:30:34.000 So when I was a young lawyer, which is a long time ago, there were actually very few outlets for people to sort of write the balance the way that we're doing today at the DOJ.

00:30:44.000 And all of the nonprofits were more on the left side.

00:30:48.000 Today, there are quite a few options for people who have a case involving civil rights.

00:30:53.000 And you can kick that off.

00:30:54.000 I mean, I will tell you, like, I'm frustrated by the pace of government.

00:30:56.000 It's not something that we control, but there's a number of hurdles you have to jump through when you're bringing a case for the government.

00:31:04.000 And so people can get more quickly into court sometimes by working with a good nonprofit or private practice lawyer to bring their case.

00:31:12.000 And the United States Department of Justice has the ability to get involved in those cases in multiple different ways.

00:31:17.000 First of all, we can file something that's called a statement of interest, which is kind of like an amicus brief, a friend of the court brief, if you will, at the trial court level.

00:31:26.000 And DOJ frequently does that in different cases.

00:31:30.000 DOJ, another branch of the DOJ today, just did that in the Huntington Beach case involving citizenship issues.

00:31:38.000 And so we do that all the time.

00:31:40.000 You can also intervene in a case.

00:31:41.000 So if someone's brought a great case involving an important issue, we can make a motion to intervene.

00:31:46.000 We did that earlier this week in Washington State, where there was a situation where the state passed a law, I think it's called 5375, I think that's the number of the law, that pierces or purports to pierce the Catholic priest penitent privilege.

00:32:01.000 Say that quickly three times.

00:32:03.000 And that law is unconstitutional because it forces priests to choose between betraying their faith or following the law of man, and that's not right in our country.

00:32:14.000 And so we filed a motion to intervene as a plaintiff in that case.

00:32:18.000 We joined a lawsuit that was already ongoing, and there are a couple of other lawsuits ongoing, or I understand planned in that state as well.

00:32:23.000 And so that's a way that we can get involved.

00:32:25.000 And then the third way is, of course, like the lawsuit we file today in Orange County.

00:32:29.000 We can file our own lawsuit.

00:32:30.000 We also file and argue amicus briefs.

00:32:33.000 There was a case of Laura Libby, a legislator in Maine, who supported girls being able to win trophies in girls sports, and she was stripped of her voting rights in Maine by the Maine speaker.

00:32:46.000 And so we filed an amicus brief in the First Circuit, and I went up to Maine to Boston rather than argued that case.

00:32:52.000 That's another way that we can get involved.

00:32:53.000 It was an excellent lawsuit brought by excellent lawyers, friends of ours from the private practice world, and they did a great job on her behalf, but we argued the United States' interest in that, which is you can never strip away the voting rights of the voters in that district.

00:33:08.000 That's a violation of the Voting Rights Act.

00:33:10.000 So there's so many different ways that we can get involved, but people don't have to wait for the government.

00:33:15.000 And just another thing to point out, Charlie, is even if we're fully staffed, there's no way that we can take on every single civil rights issue in the United States.

00:33:23.000 What we try to do is pick cases that will have the biggest impact.

00:33:26.000 As I mentioned right now, we're down in strength because a lot of the lawyers who worked here a few months ago didn't want to work here anymore when they learned that their job wasn't going to be doing their pet projects anymore.

00:33:37.000 And so we are doing a lot with less.

00:33:41.000 And so people can get into court more quickly if they get a good lawyer.

00:33:45.000 Harmeet Dillon really is now the tip of the spear.

00:33:48.000 She is the piercing authority of this new Trump government for all civil rights violations. 0.89

00:33:53.000 So when people are discriminating against Asians, against white people, against Christians, against Jews, it's all going to go through the Office of Civil Rights.

00:34:00.000 Harmeet, you're doing a great job.

00:34:02.000 Thank you so much.

00:34:02.000 God bless you.

00:34:03.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:34:05.000 Yeah, and actually, you know, one of our listeners reminded me, the Deerfield Junior High School, the Alan Shepard Junior High School in Deerfield, Illinois.

00:34:12.000 I think it's time for a federal investigation.

00:34:14.000 We've been talking about this on this quite some.

00:34:16.000 Girls are still forced to change clothes in front of a boy. 0.99

00:34:19.000 And so now just I'm going to text Harmet right after the show.

00:34:22.000 That's the power of this show and the power of what all of you support and also the power of, doesn't it feel good when you win the White House?

00:34:29.000 And you can say, no, we're not going to put up with that.

00:34:32.000 We're going to seal the southern border.

00:34:36.000 We're going to cut off DEI.

00:34:39.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:40.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:43.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 26, 2025

The Best Case for the Big Beautiful Bill

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