The Charlie Kirk Show - The Best Logical, Scientific, and Faith-Based Argument Against Abortion

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:01.000 On this Sunday episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, I wanted to air my speech that I gave around the Defense for Life at a pro-life event in Cleveland, Ohio.

00:00:10.000 It was a terrific time.

00:00:11.000 Great people that hosted me.

00:00:13.000 I give a logical and scientific and faith-based argument for the Defense for Life during this episode.

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00:00:39.000 The defense for life, it's Sunday.

00:00:41.000 Buckle up.

00:00:42.000 Here we go.

00:00:43.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:45.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:47.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:50.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:53.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:54.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:55.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:04.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:13.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:16.000 It's great to be here, and thank you for that wonderful introduction.

00:01:20.000 I see so many friends here, Tom, who does a wonderful job.

00:01:22.000 And I saw on my schedule I had an opportunity to speak at a Right to Life convention.

00:01:28.000 I was so excited because I talk about the right to life quite often, but I talk about other things as well.

00:01:34.000 So actually, to be able to focus on this is really exciting.

00:01:38.000 A couple of things I just want to reinforce.

00:01:41.000 First of all, thank you for mentioning that.

00:01:43.000 You could find both of us every day on 1420, The Answer.

00:01:47.000 So every radio in the room should just be on 1420 when you get in the car and get out of the car.

00:01:53.000 But no, it's great.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:01:55.000 That's worthy of applause.

00:01:57.000 It's phenomenal to be here, and I want to talk about my short life's work, which is going to high school and college campuses and arguing for the Judeo-Christian, Greco-Roman culture that built Western civilization.

00:02:10.000 What your children are learning, which is becoming an existential crisis to our country, and also the case for life, because I think we have to get a lot, we have to get even better at articulating it.

00:02:20.000 I think that it's not an argument for anyone in this room that we're on the moral side when we talk about life.

00:02:29.000 The question is, how is it that we know we're so right, yet this practice continues, and it seems as if legislatively in certain states, it's going in the wrong direction.

00:02:40.000 And so I want to talk about that as well.

00:02:42.000 But I'm originally from Chicago.

00:02:43.000 For those of you that might have some Chicago roots, it's a great place to be from.

00:02:48.000 The fun thing about being from Illinois, I can honestly say this, that Illinois is more of a corrupt state than Ohio.

00:02:54.000 And that is really saying something, truly.

00:02:57.000 No, it really is.

00:02:58.000 No, some people say no.

00:03:00.000 Teapot Dome, I don't know.

00:03:00.000 I don't know.

00:03:02.000 There's a lot there.

00:03:03.000 But the fun thing about being from Illinois is we have term limits, one term in office, one term in jail.

00:03:07.000 So it's a little bit, you know, it's different than Ohio style term limits.

00:03:13.000 My grandmother was a lifelong Republican, probably one of the most unbelievable Catholics ever in the history of North America.

00:03:21.000 I mean, she would watch EWTN after going to Mass and read the Catechism and then tell everyone around her what they were doing wrong in their Catholic life, a perfect Catholic.

00:03:35.000 And I say that, though, I mean that with love.

00:03:38.000 I have a great amount of love for Catholics growing up in Chicago.

00:03:41.000 And she passed away and she's been voting Democrat ever since, being from Chicago.

00:03:46.000 And so I know she would approve of that, but no, it's 100% true, by the way.

00:03:52.000 And so I'm from Chicago, started Turning Point USA, been at this for nine and a half years.

00:03:57.000 It's been the most unbelievable journey one could be on.

00:04:00.000 I get to do what I love every single day.

00:04:02.000 I do podcasting, I do radio, and then my day job is trying to save the country from absolute bitter destruction from people who hate the country and in some ways actually hate themselves.

00:04:12.000 I'll get to that in a second.

00:04:13.000 So let's talk about life for a second.

00:04:15.000 And I think that we, I'm going to have a call to action at the end of what we need to do.

00:04:22.000 But for those people in the audience, there might be only a couple of them that might not yet be pro-life or understand the issue.

00:04:30.000 It's very, very simple.

00:04:31.000 And I think the more that we actually get into the logical and the scientific argument around life, I think that we're more successful.

00:04:40.000 And so I was at the March for Life last year, right before the lockdowns.

00:04:43.000 It was a wonderful.

00:04:43.000 Anyone else was there?

00:04:45.000 If you have not been, it's worth going at least once.

00:04:48.000 It is definitely, I don't want to say it's disorganized, but it's definitely chaotic.

00:04:53.000 I think that's probably fair to say.

00:04:54.000 But it's worthwhile.

00:04:55.000 It really is, because one of the most amazing things, there's young people from all across the country.

00:04:59.000 And that's one of the things I'm going to convince you of, if not already, which is that life is actually a winning issue.

00:05:05.000 See, I was told in the first couple years in the conservative movement, stay away from that abortion topic.

00:05:11.000 Stay away from life.

00:05:13.000 You know, it was kind of this Mitt Romney way of the world.

00:05:15.000 Like, all we should care about is shipping our factories to China and basically deindustrializing the backbone of our country.

00:05:25.000 But if you dare talk about life or the family, you're somehow going to lose young people.

00:05:29.000 And the data actually doesn't reflect that at all.

00:05:31.000 So this is the most pro-life generation in American history, that the more we learn, it's true.

00:05:35.000 And whether it's religious young people or secular young people.

00:05:39.000 And so my first piece of advice, not just advice, I'm going to convince you of it, is we have to lean in on this issue.

00:05:46.000 And so I was at the March for Life and I saw this nine-year-old that had more wisdom on this sign that she made than the entire combined professor class at Harvard, Princeton, and Yale.

00:06:00.000 There was more wisdom on her one sign.

00:06:02.000 And all it said was this.

00:06:04.000 It's like, this is the best pro-life argument I've ever seen.

00:06:06.000 It's not your DNA.

00:06:07.000 It's not your choice.

00:06:08.000 I said, what?

00:06:09.000 That's a phenomenal argument.

00:06:10.000 I said, that's as simple as it possibly gets.

00:06:13.000 Because the entire argument from the left that I hear, or from the abortionists, which, by the way, I'll get to this in a second, never again, I never want to hear pro-choice, ever.

00:06:23.000 They're not pro-choice.

00:06:24.000 They're abortionists.

00:06:26.000 Call them what they are pro-abortion.

00:06:28.000 Stop giving them a mantle of something that is moral.

00:06:31.000 A choice is moral.

00:06:33.000 Destruction of a life is not.

00:06:35.000 Call them what they are, which is pro-abortion.

00:06:37.000 I'll get to that in a second.

00:06:38.000 And I said, that debunks the pro-abortion argument of my body, my choice.

00:06:44.000 It's not your body.

00:06:45.000 It's somebody else's body.

00:06:46.000 It's unique DNA.

00:06:47.000 It might be a different blood type.

00:06:48.000 It might have its own heart.

00:06:49.000 It does have its own heartbeat after 21 days, but at least after six to eight weeks, it's not your body.

00:06:54.000 So even that talking point in and of itself is invalidated.

00:06:58.000 And then there's just some logical hurdles that the abortionists have to overcome, which of course, and I don't celebrate this at all, but Chrissy Teigen, who's a very foolish person, and she's a celebrity, and she's married to John Legend, and you can follow her on social media.

00:07:15.000 And she's very, very pro-abortion, very pro-abortion.

00:07:19.000 Raises money for Planned Parenthood, outspokenly so.

00:07:23.000 A lot of young people are deceived by her.

00:07:27.000 And tragically, she went through a miscarriage recently.

00:07:30.000 And for her, the miscarriage in her own telling of the events was a death of a child, the death of a baby.

00:07:38.000 And I can't help but think: how is it for her that that was a sad death of a child and not a sad death of a clump of cells or a fetus?

00:07:46.000 So for her, she helps finance an organization that convinces young women that it's nothing but a clump of cells and that inconvenience can be eliminated in a moment's notice.

00:07:56.000 But she wept.

00:07:58.000 She had pain because that child was not able to continue in its development.

00:08:03.000 Do you notice how I just phrased that?

00:08:05.000 Continue in its development?

00:08:06.000 Not that it becomes a human being or was a human being at conception.

00:08:09.000 The way we talk about this is very important.

00:08:12.000 We must have this entire conversation on accurate, truthful moral terms.

00:08:16.000 And so within their own nomenclature, within their own narrative, there's logical and rational, not just inconsistencies, but fallacies.

00:08:26.000 For example, if you were to go to Kim Kardashian, whom I've had the opportunity to meet, and she's actually smarter than people would think.

00:08:33.000 She is.

00:08:33.000 She's a smart person.

00:08:34.000 And I think that if I had an hour just to talk to her about the abortion argument, I could flip her.

00:08:39.000 I really do.

00:08:40.000 But she says she's pro-abortion.

00:08:42.000 And if she were to host a pregnancy celebration, what would she call it?

00:08:46.000 She'd call a baby shower.

00:08:47.000 Interesting, and it's not a fetus shower.

00:08:50.000 Now, having a baby shower, having a celebration of life, the expectation of life, under the moral paradigm that our children are learning in the university and in high schools, it's perfectly acceptable to have a baby shower and then right after get in the car and go to Planned Parenthood and end that baby's life.

00:09:10.000 Basically, what we're really fighting here is subjective versus objective morality.

00:09:16.000 And what has always made the West different is an objective belief of how we interpret morality.

00:09:22.000 How we are able to look at what a human being is, and that person is made in the image of God.

00:09:27.000 We are image bearers.

00:09:30.000 And so the four common, and this, I did not come up with this.

00:09:34.000 My friend Seth Gruber made me aware of this.

00:09:36.000 There's websites dedicated to it, but I want every pro-life person to listen carefully, and this will be rebroadcast on my YouTube channel and on the podcast feed, is the four biggest points of logical fallacy amongst the pro-abortionists.

00:09:51.000 And it's an acronym called SLED.

00:09:53.000 You might have heard it before.

00:09:54.000 Size, level of development, environment, and dependency, degree of dependency.

00:09:59.000 Now, this is the four arguments that the abortionists will make as to why it's okay to terminate innocent life.

00:10:06.000 So number one, size.

00:10:07.000 Their argument that the size of a human matters.

00:10:12.000 It's only the size of a peanut, therefore, we're allowed to eliminate it.

00:10:16.000 So therefore, I'm about 6'4.

00:10:19.000 If I were to say that anyone smaller than me should be eliminated, you'd say that's the most immoral argument I've ever heard.

00:10:24.000 Of course it is.

00:10:25.000 Size is irrelevant to whether or not human life matters.

00:10:28.000 So that one is pretty obvious.

00:10:30.000 Number two, level of development.

00:10:32.000 That beautiful child that was just shown up on stage, shown on stage, no one would say that that child is not worthy of human protection.

00:10:40.000 Level of development is completely irrelevant.

00:10:43.000 Number three, environment.

00:10:45.000 Does it matter where a person actually is, whether it be in a woman's, in the womb or whether it be independent of the woman's womb?

00:10:52.000 And that's the fourth one, dependency.

00:10:55.000 Now, this is the one that they really are able to win young people on.

00:10:59.000 They say you're able to eliminate that fetus because that fetus is dependent.

00:11:06.000 Now, that, of course, is a logical fallacy in and of itself, because every single human life at some point is going to be dependent.

00:11:15.000 For example, that child, if you left that child alone in the crib for three weeks and that child, unfortunately and tragically were to no longer be able to live, you would then go to jail for infanticide.

00:11:27.000 We have laws against that.

00:11:29.000 That's exactly why they're getting rid of those laws in Virginia.

00:11:32.000 That's why they get rid of those laws in New York, because that paves the way for the eventual moral justification of abortion, which is the subjective taking of life.

00:11:41.000 Now, this idea of dependency is easily debunked through a compassion-based argument.

00:11:47.000 I know people in my life that are dependents because they have Down syndrome or because they have some form of mental, let's say, handicap.

00:12:01.000 By no means does the law justify us to be able to take those people's life.

00:12:06.000 They have equal rights of protection under the law, and so should an unborn child.

00:12:11.000 And so it really comes down to a very simple question that the abortionists cannot answer.

00:12:16.000 The most important question, which is when does human life begin?

00:12:20.000 It's that simple.

00:12:21.000 We're able to answer that question.

00:12:23.000 It begins at conception when DNA starts to form.

00:12:27.000 You see, we have science on our side.

00:12:29.000 The left says, oh, we need to trust the science.

00:12:31.000 They don't.

00:12:32.000 It's unbelievably Orwellian.

00:12:33.000 And I'll just take a little bit of a tangent here.

00:12:35.000 The lockdowns were anti-science.

00:12:38.000 The lockdowns will go down as the worst mistake ever done by our society.

00:12:45.000 And I'm going to build this out throughout.

00:12:47.000 The lockdowns are directly correlated to the rise in suicides, mental health issues, business closures, opioids, drug usage, and alcoholism.

00:12:57.000 Now, that's not to say that I think every single person should take the virus the same degree of seriousness.

00:13:04.000 If you're over the age of 65 and you have underlying health conditions, you absolutely should take this virus seriously.

00:13:11.000 If you're 14, you should not be locked down in your home for six months behind a Zoom and a Skype computer class, have no human interaction, no spring sports, no prom, no commencement, no summer sports under the idea that this virus is equally as big of a threat to the 14-year-old as it is to the 81-year-old.

00:13:26.000 That's immoral.

00:13:27.000 So I'm pro-life not just to be able to protect people in the womb, which they are people, but I'm pro-life in every single public policy measure that I espouse.

00:13:37.000 And that goes to another logical fallacy or another lie that our young people come across on college campuses, or all of you.

00:13:43.000 How many of you heard from your liberal friends, you're just pro-birth.

00:13:48.000 You see, you don't actually care about the human being because you don't want open borders, you don't want to give away government programs, you don't want all these sorts of things.

00:13:58.000 You're just pro-birth and throw the baby away.

00:14:01.000 So what we need to do a much better job of is demonstrating and communicating.

00:14:05.000 So, no, no, no.

00:14:06.000 We're pro-life, not just to protect the unborn child, but I want more police on the streets so that gangs are not shooting children on the way to schools.

00:14:16.000 I'm pro-life so that parents are able to have educational choice to send their kids to a better school.

00:14:22.000 I'm pro-life so that we do not have thousands of people in southeastern Ohio overdosing on opioids and methamphetamines.

00:14:31.000 I'm pro-life because I want a southern border so that guns are not smuggled into our country alongside of women that are sex trafficked over 11,000 into our country every single year.

00:14:40.000 I'm not just pro-life at birth.

00:14:41.000 I'm pro-life all the way through that child's life.

00:14:45.000 That's how we must articulate a culture of life.

00:14:54.000 And so to understand the sled paradigm, size, level of development, environment, and dependency, is very important to be able to counter the abortionists' argument, public narrative, and popular narrative.

00:15:08.000 But let me tell you this.

00:15:09.000 They're growing increasingly nervous that the science is not on their side.

00:15:14.000 Life begins at conception.

00:15:16.000 It's that simple.

00:15:17.000 What is life?

00:15:18.000 You see, if college was doing their job, which most colleges aren't, it's true, most young people would be able to answer this question.

00:15:24.000 What is life?

00:15:25.000 Life is that which grows.

00:15:28.000 Life is that which improves.

00:15:30.000 That which is dying does not grow.

00:15:32.000 Therefore, that which is formed at conception is growing and improves.

00:15:36.000 What a simple way to argue that.

00:15:37.000 Not to mention, it has its own unique deoxoribonucleic acid.

00:15:43.000 We learned this in fifth and sixth grade, DNA.

00:15:46.000 And yet, for whatever reason, they say that special mixture of DNA, that special combination that will never happen again, is not worthy of constitutional protection.

00:15:54.000 And they are not able to get over a very simple, logical question, which is when does human life begin?

00:16:01.000 And the next question is, what species is a fetus?

00:16:06.000 It's a very simple question.

00:16:08.000 On the animal kingdom, what species is a fetus?

00:16:12.000 Because what they've done, because there's no depth and there's no wisdom, because there's no God, it's an Old Testament saying, no God, there is no wisdom.

00:16:20.000 That's why you go to a college campus and you say, there's unbelievably intelligent people saying stupid things is because intelligent people can not be wise.

00:16:26.000 It's because wisdom is a choice.

00:16:28.000 You must want to be wise.

00:16:29.000 And universities decide not to be wise because there is no God.

00:16:32.000 And so you have these people at these universities that are saying this pablo.

00:16:36.000 They say, oh no, that is not a human life.

00:16:40.000 Well, then a very simple, logical question would be, well, then you need to place it somewhere on the animal kingdom.

00:16:46.000 If it's not a Homo sapien, is it a bald eagle, an ostrich, an elephant?

00:16:50.000 What is it?

00:16:51.000 And of course, under pressure, they would say, okay, it is human.

00:16:54.000 Well, then if it's living and it's a human life, then how does that human life not deserve constitutional protection?

00:17:03.000 And so this really is a theological debate.

00:17:08.000 And we as Christians, I'm not Catholic.

00:17:11.000 I consider all of us to be part of the Christian family.

00:17:13.000 Some Catholics don't believe that.

00:17:14.000 Some evangelicals don't believe that.

00:17:15.000 I think we're all Christians.

00:17:16.000 We believe Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior.

00:17:18.000 So we're all in this together.

00:17:19.000 That's my belief.

00:17:20.000 And so, and let me say, I think Catholicism is a beautiful religion.

00:17:25.000 I really do.

00:17:25.000 It's a phenomenal tradition.

00:17:27.000 And I learn a lot from my Catholic friends and my Catholic brothers and sisters.

00:17:31.000 And so let me say this.

00:17:33.000 My biggest complaint is how Christians do not understand that there's a theological debate happening in this country.

00:17:40.000 And so we as Christians believe two basic things.

00:17:43.000 We believe a lot more than this, right?

00:17:44.000 This is not the end of our theology, trust me.

00:17:46.000 But this is basically the beginning of what we Christians believe.

00:17:51.000 There is a God, and you are not him.

00:17:55.000 It's really simple.

00:17:57.000 When you think about it, that's the beginning of the Christian faith.

00:18:01.000 We recognize there is a God and I am not him.

00:18:04.000 Now, the reason why abortion has become so popular, the same reason like a lot of these trends are happening, transgender, and I'll get into all that nonsense, is because they don't necessarily believe in either of those.

00:18:17.000 They might say, okay, there's a God, but I might be that God.

00:18:20.000 You see, if you believe that you're made in the image of God and you believe that life is uniquely formed in God's image and you're not that God, then who gives you the right to take away that human life?

00:18:28.000 You don't.

00:18:30.000 And that's the theological debate raging in our country right now.

00:18:34.000 And it's in every single public policy discussion.

00:18:36.000 And what do Republicans want to talk about corporate tax cuts?

00:18:39.000 I'm going to say this as lovingly as I can because I can't stand the left and the Republicans are the only thing that stops us from becoming the left in some ways.

00:18:48.000 But Republicans just introduced into the House of Representatives a repeal of the estate tax, which basically is a tax on intergenerational wealth and inheritance.

00:18:58.000 Okay, I don't like the wealth.

00:19:00.000 I don't like wealth tax.

00:19:01.000 I don't like inheritance tax.

00:19:02.000 I'm a free market guy.

00:19:04.000 But on the hierarchy of wants and needs of a broken republic, when men are able to go into women's locker rooms, when women's sports are under attack, we have open borders and a million abortions a year, I probably wouldn't put the estate tax as the top priority of the Republican Party.

00:19:19.000 And so, and again, I'm totally against, I'm totally against the estate tax.

00:19:27.000 It's fine.

00:19:28.000 But it seems as if that corporate interests of go bow down to some ridiculous, woke, secular Fortune 100 company, and we're going to just finance your campaign.

00:19:41.000 That's been the prevailing wisdom in Washington, D.C.

00:19:45.000 And one of the main reasons why Republicans are starting to win a state like Ohio by eight to ten points is not because they're going on a whistle-stop tour saying we're going to get rid of the estate tax, which does hurt farmers.

00:19:57.000 I understand that, but that's that's not the primary concern.

00:19:59.000 The reason why Republicans are doing better is because in Ohio is because people of faith, people of moral conscience are like, Republicans are all we got.

00:20:08.000 That's it.

00:20:08.000 That's the reason why Republicans are doing well.

00:20:11.000 That's it.

00:20:12.000 And Trump deserves a lot of credit for his ability to communicate with Appalachian voters and middle-class workers that felt disenfranchised.

00:20:20.000 And so this is the theological debate raging in this country, but I want to focus some of my criticism.

00:20:25.000 And I get so much backlash for this, which is precisely why I choose to do this.

00:20:29.000 So you're going to be in all the papers.

00:20:30.000 You're going to have more visibility for this beautiful organization than ever before.

00:20:34.000 So you're welcome.

00:20:35.000 And so, I know I say that I mean that.

00:20:37.000 And so I read this thing the other day, but this Timothy Keller.

00:20:40.000 Anyone know who Timothy Keller is?

00:20:42.000 This guy in New York, Redeemer Church.

00:20:44.000 And one of my biggest frustrations, and I'm putting that very nicely, is how people that can believe we're made in God's image, that can believe there is a Creator who cares about what you do and how you act, that wants to get back into a relationship with you, that sent his son to save you, commanded you to look after the least of these, and then can be kind of on the fence when it comes to abortion.

00:21:11.000 So here's Timothy Keller.

00:21:14.000 He writes this Facebook post, who Redeemer Church, he's part of Christian Incorporated, big mega church.

00:21:19.000 This guy has a very big following.

00:21:22.000 He says this.

00:21:23.000 The Bible binds my conscience to care for the poor, but it does not tell me the best practical way to do it.

00:21:28.000 Any particular strategy may be good and wise and may be even somewhat inferred from other things the Bible teaches.

00:21:33.000 But they're not directly commanded and therefore we cannot insist all Christians, as a matter of conscience, to follow one another.

00:21:39.000 He continues to say, the Bible tells me abortion is a sin and a great evil, but it doesn't tell me the best way to decrease or end abortion in this country, nor which policies are most effective.

00:21:53.000 The current political parties offer a pote parie of different positions on these.

00:21:57.000 And many, let me just stop there, Timothy Keller.

00:22:00.000 It's very simple.

00:22:01.000 The Democrat Party believes that you should be able to massacre born children.

00:22:06.000 The Republican Party doesn't.

00:22:07.000 It's really not that.

00:22:08.000 It's not a pote-parie.

00:22:09.000 That's not a Socratic dialogue in the pursuit of truth, okay?

00:22:12.000 That's pretty, that's as black and white as I could possibly make a public policy decision.

00:22:16.000 Okay, he continues, and I only bring this up because I know that there's a Christian undertone of this gathering.

00:22:22.000 No, I mean that.

00:22:23.000 No, seriously, because we need to get very, very intense and direct towards our Christian ministers and pastors that talk about this nonsense.

00:22:32.000 He continues by saying, this means when it comes to taking political positions, voting, determining alliances, and political involvement, the Christian has liberty of conscience, really.

00:22:43.000 Christians cannot say to other Christians, no Christian can vote for, or every Christian must vote for, unless you can find a biblical commandment to that effect.

00:22:51.000 Well, theologian Timothy Keller, how about thou shalt not murder?

00:22:55.000 It's probably a good one to start with.

00:23:01.000 And this, Timothy Keller, who runs Redeemer Church in New York and has millions of followers, is the true definition of cowardice.

00:23:11.000 This right here is moral indifference.

00:23:14.000 And so, let me put it as plainly as I can morally.

00:23:19.000 I want to replace one word in Timothy Keller's pile of dribble.

00:23:26.000 The Bible tells me that slavery is a sin and a great evil, but it doesn't tell me the best way to decrease or end slavery, or which policies are most effective, unless you can find a biblical command to that effect.

00:23:40.000 It's very easy to say that what were the people in the 1850s thinking when it came to slavery?

00:23:46.000 It's so patently obvious, isn't it?

00:23:48.000 And what the activist media says, and media matters, they love writing me up when I compare abortion to slavery.

00:23:55.000 And they're similar but different sins.

00:23:58.000 But the massacre of 60 million unborn children since Roe versus Wade, I think is a stain on the moral conscience of this country.

00:24:06.000 And people say, is that a worse sin?

00:24:08.000 I said, I'm not in the judging of the hierarchy of sins.

00:24:12.000 That's not my business.

00:24:13.000 What I am going to say, though, is that the moral indifference from the people that are supposed to be the moral referees in our country, the people that are supposed to be the communicators of God's spoken word, is not just scandalous, it's reprehensible.

00:24:30.000 And so, you know, that the Bible does not have any specific verses about hanging homosexuals.

00:24:37.000 It doesn't.

00:24:38.000 But we could say that that is obviously morally wrong.

00:24:42.000 The Bible does not say anything about female genital mutilation, but we can obviously say that is morally wrong.

00:24:50.000 The point is that the Bible explicitly commands us against abortion.

00:24:56.000 I knew you before you were born.

00:24:59.000 It's pretty simple.

00:25:00.000 Made in the image of God, image bearers.

00:25:02.000 And the amazing thing, and Thomas Aquinas deserves great credit for this.

00:25:08.000 The more we go into the scientific realm, the more it confirms the teachings of the Bible.

00:25:15.000 You see, we as Christians should be unafraid to have this conversation on a scientific basis.

00:25:21.000 Okay, you believe in science.

00:25:23.000 Absolutely.

00:25:24.000 I worship the God of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

00:25:26.000 Okay.

00:25:28.000 No, it's actually true.

00:25:28.000 People have like vigils to that maniac.

00:25:30.000 It's unbelievable.

00:25:32.000 Been wrong about everything he has said in the last year and is responsible for thousands of teen suicides across the country.

00:25:38.000 That's what I think of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

00:25:41.000 And so I trust science.

00:25:43.000 If you trust science, then go back to the Pope of science and the Archdiocese and tell me when life starts.

00:25:50.000 Human life begins.

00:25:52.000 And then if you say, well, I think human life begins at conception, but I think prenatal development is not worthy of constitutional protection.

00:26:01.000 Then you should say, then what value of where do you then draw the moral guardrails on anything else?

00:26:10.000 Their argument falls apart.

00:26:12.000 And so we know that abortion by definition is dehumanizing.

00:26:17.000 The entire movement of abortion in this country is trying to make you care less about the neighbor around you.

00:26:24.000 You see, one of the reasons why abortion has been so popular, and it is an industry in our country, people make a lot of money off of this.

00:26:32.000 It is a very profitable endeavor.

00:26:35.000 God forgive us for what we've done.

00:26:37.000 I mean, it's just unspeakable to think that people are getting richer off of the elimination of human beings.

00:26:43.000 It's true.

00:26:44.000 One of the reasons why is because it's not always in the public eye.

00:26:49.000 That's right.

00:26:50.000 It's because it's behind closed doors.

00:26:54.000 You don't always have to see it.

00:26:55.000 And they frame this as an argument of privacy and of women's rights.

00:27:01.000 Well, if they cared about women, the law of averages would tell us that out of the 60 million abortions, 30 million of them were women.

00:27:07.000 Therefore, 30 million women never were able to live since Roe versus Wade.

00:27:11.000 That would be anti-woman, not pro-woman, in any sort of rational argument you could possibly make about abortion.

00:27:22.000 And so I do want to take some questions.

00:27:24.000 I think that's part of what we want to do.

00:27:26.000 Okay, good.

00:27:26.000 And you're going to do.

00:27:28.000 And so let me continue to build this out.

00:27:33.000 Believe it or not, we are actually on the precipice of the most exciting pro-life change our country has seen.

00:27:43.000 I know it might not feel that way, but I study the left, and I don't actually say this jokingly.

00:27:49.000 I go to college campuses, so you don't have to.

00:27:52.000 I have spoken at Brown, I've spoken at Stanford, Yale, UC Berkeley, you name it, I've spoken there.

00:27:56.000 Security, guards, snipers on the roofs, helicopters overhead, death threats, the whole thing.

00:28:02.000 And one thing that I've learned about the left is that I can tell when they get nervous and anxious.

00:28:07.000 The reason why Governor Ralph Nolum comes out and says, you got to have the baby born, and you relax that baby, and then a decision is made.

00:28:19.000 The reason why they're all of a sudden doing things they never would have done on abortion is they actually know public opinion is falling out of favor there.

00:28:25.000 So the question is, how do we move public opinion to where it was from all of a sudden in the 1830s, people thought that slavery was going to be the law of the land forever?

00:28:36.000 And then our sixth president, yes, John Quincy Adams.

00:28:41.000 Or seven, sixth or seven?

00:28:41.000 Is that right?

00:28:43.000 Yes, that's right.

00:28:44.000 The sixth president, phenomenal president, abolitionist, went back to Congress just for this reason.

00:28:50.000 John Quincy Adams went to Congress to abolish slavery.

00:28:53.000 Which let me just say as a side note, one of the biggest lies that your children are learning is that America was founded on slavery.

00:29:00.000 It's a pathological lie.

00:29:02.000 It's not true.

00:29:03.000 We were founded on freedom.

00:29:05.000 Did some of our founding fathers participate in unspeakable sin?

00:29:08.000 Yes.

00:29:08.000 However, what the next part of the story we never talk about is Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

00:29:13.000 He also signed a moratorium saying no new slaves into the United States 20 years after the ratification of the U.S. Constitution.

00:29:19.000 We never talk about how the document that he wrote in his handwriting explicitly condemned slavery in the original draft of the Declaration of Independence and that document inspired the abolition of slavery in 1777.

00:29:31.000 Or that Thomas Jefferson argued for the end of slavery in the Virginia House of Commons.

00:29:35.000 The founding fathers never wrote glowingly about slavery.

00:29:39.000 They struggled with it morally.

00:29:41.000 Sound familiar to something we're going through right now?

00:29:43.000 They wondered how to get rid of it.

00:29:46.000 It was always a question of how, not if.

00:29:50.000 You see, that's a moral country.

00:29:53.000 We don't teach our children that.

00:29:54.000 John Quincy Adams, an abolitionist, went back to Congress after losing the presidency.

00:29:59.000 So imagine you lose the presidency, Andrew Jackson, you go back to Congress for this purpose.

00:30:04.000 Thabbus Stevens, Frederick Douglass, the great abolitionists, and they got it done and it was not easy.

00:30:11.000 And so the question is, how do we do that now?

00:30:13.000 Because I can understand the frustration.

00:30:15.000 And for those of you where this is all you do, you're beyond heroes.

00:30:20.000 And I want to tell you something that bothers me.

00:30:23.000 It bothers me how under-resourced the pro-life community is in this country.

00:30:27.000 No, it really does.

00:30:28.000 And by the way, God bless you for supporting this unbelievable organization.

00:30:31.000 You deserve thanks and praise and gratitude.

00:30:34.000 The Planned Parenthood receives $500 million a year of your money, $500 million a year of taxpayer funding.

00:30:41.000 And that doesn't count all the other pro-abortion groups.

00:30:44.000 And so I've said every single church across the country should have 10% of their operating budget go to pro-life causes and pregnancy crisis center.

00:30:51.000 10%.

00:30:52.000 Enough of the big buildings, enough of the endless amount of, I get it, okay?

00:30:58.000 The light show, all that stuff.

00:30:59.000 It's great, okay?

00:31:01.000 I speak at those churches all the time.

00:31:03.000 I feel like I'm going to a Led Zeppelin concert, and I think to myself, that's great.

00:31:07.000 No, I think it's terrific.

00:31:08.000 People come in.

00:31:08.000 It's seeker.

00:31:09.000 It's all that.

00:31:10.000 But for goodness sake, the pro-life community is under-resourced like I've never seen before, especially up against the opposition.

00:31:17.000 And so, how do we change this?

00:31:21.000 How do we all of a sudden change public opinion to go from something that is unthinkable, ending abortion, to something that is policy?

00:31:31.000 Well, we can actually learn something from recent years.

00:31:34.000 An example that probably some of us like, and an example we don't like.

00:31:38.000 There was a man by the name of Joseph Overton.

00:31:42.000 He theorized something called the Overton window.

00:31:45.000 For you political nerds out there, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:31:49.000 The Overton window is a way to look at ideas that are in the public arena.

00:31:55.000 And everything in his theory, which was brilliant, moves on this spectrum, whether we realize it or not, from an idea that is unthinkable to an idea that is radical, then an idea that is acceptable, then an idea that is sensible, then an idea that is popular, then an idea that is policy.

00:32:14.000 I think that's a pretty fair way to look at things.

00:32:16.000 So now let's ask ourselves: when in recent years have we seen the Overton window shift?

00:32:24.000 Gay marriage is a very good example of that, but let's even go a little bit more recently.

00:32:29.000 Because gay marriage was unthinkable that we would all of a sudden redefine a biblical covenant to be something that it isn't.

00:32:37.000 However, in more recent years, let's use one that hits home, literally, defunding the police, right?

00:32:46.000 It would have been unthinkable five years ago that local city departments would be defunding the police.

00:32:53.000 And yet, leftist activists were able to move the unthinkable to policy instantaneously.

00:32:59.000 Here's another great example.

00:33:00.000 How is it that all of a sudden we are sending stimulus checks to every single person across the country?

00:33:06.000 Universal basic income, and some people need the help.

00:33:09.000 And I'm morally opposed to universal basic income, but that's a different, completely different conversation or a different time.

00:33:15.000 But how did they move that?

00:33:17.000 Well, they obviously communicated throughout a crisis, and they were advocates for it.

00:33:20.000 So, what are the lessons of that?

00:33:22.000 Well, this is where organizations like this matter a lot.

00:33:25.000 Number one lesson of how to move the Overton window, because we all want to take something from unthinkable to policy, right?

00:33:30.000 That's our goal.

00:33:31.000 Whether you guys realize it or not, you're all participating in the Overton window here tonight, right?

00:33:37.000 So, the question is: where is the pro-life movement?

00:33:40.000 I can tell you right now that because of your courage, you're not in the unthinkable realm.

00:33:47.000 You're not.

00:33:48.000 No, you're not.

00:33:48.000 It's a very good thing.

00:33:49.000 You're in the radical realm, and that's okay.

00:33:52.000 Ending abortion is considered radical, not unthinkable in the country.

00:33:57.000 The fact that you've actually moved, we've moved that far is actually worthy of applause.

00:34:00.000 It really is.

00:34:01.000 It's something that's in the zeitgeist, which is the spirit of the times.

00:34:05.000 And so, how does one move that spectrum?

00:34:08.000 Because that's really what we're talking about here, right?

00:34:10.000 Now, mind you, the Overton window can move backwards too.

00:34:14.000 Something can be policy slavery and then become unthinkable.

00:34:18.000 So, it goes both ways.

00:34:20.000 So, how does one move?

00:34:21.000 Number one, a relentless commitment to playing offense.

00:34:26.000 Think about the defund people, BLM Incorporated.

00:34:29.000 They are in your face.

00:34:31.000 Now, I don't recommend that as a tactic.

00:34:33.000 I don't.

00:34:33.000 I actually think it's going to backfire on them, and I think that there's actually a backlash.

00:34:36.000 But there is something to be said, and the gay marriage debate was probably the most effective that we saw: they had an offensive strategy, placing advertisements in areas that hadn't heard it before, testing out new messaging, using the enemy's own book against them.

00:34:51.000 That's a rule from Saul Linsky.

00:34:53.000 So, the wonderful Reverend opened up with a speech earlier.

00:34:56.000 If we want to all of a sudden get into this, and I think it's absolutely dangerous, this critical race theory direction in our country, and they want to overly racialize everything, then let's talk about the slaughter of the black community in abortion.

00:35:08.000 Let's talk about how if you see a black woman in the subway in New York City, she's more likely going to an abortion clinic than to the delivery room.

00:35:16.000 They want to overly racialize everything.

00:35:17.000 They want to know why black birth rates have flatlined.

00:35:20.000 Maybe because there are more planned parenthoods than churches in Brooklyn.

00:35:25.000 Maybe that would be the reason.

00:35:27.000 And so to move this window, it also is going to take innovation, creativity, non-territorialism, working with other partners that might disagree with you in a couple things.

00:35:41.000 And I'm all for, especially when it comes to Republican primaries, I'm all for temporary purity tests.

00:35:45.000 And my goodness, do we need them?

00:35:47.000 We're probably going to need one in this state very soon.

00:35:48.000 That's all I'm going to say.

00:35:49.000 I'm not going to say any more than that.

00:35:51.000 However, when you're talking about big ideas, because you're not just talking about electing some guy to dog catcher, right?

00:35:56.000 You guys are here tonight for a big idea, right?

00:35:59.000 You're here, like the guys who were in 1860 that started the Republican Party at Ripon, Wisconsin, were like, hey, we're going to start a new political party.

00:36:07.000 I'm not suggesting that, but that's how big you're thinking.

00:36:09.000 And what was the party they started, the Republican Party?

00:36:11.000 Do you know that it was a single-issue party?

00:36:14.000 What was that issue?

00:36:15.000 Abolition of slavery.

00:36:17.000 That was thinking big.

00:36:19.000 And so what else they did?

00:36:20.000 They lifted up the most charismatic people.

00:36:22.000 They were willing to contest and fight for their beliefs.

00:36:26.000 And you don't allow the enemy to have you be anything but optimistic.

00:36:32.000 I'm telling you right now, I talk to young people.

00:36:35.000 The only problem a pro-life movement has, the only problem, that's probably not true.

00:36:39.000 The biggest problem is exposure.

00:36:43.000 It's that simple.

00:36:44.000 When pro-abortion young people are properly exposed to the truth that I shared tonight, their minds change.

00:36:54.000 I've seen it happen.

00:36:55.000 The wonderful work that Lila Rose does.

00:36:56.000 And again, there's people where their full-time job is the pro-life thing.

00:37:00.000 And I obviously am unafraid to talk about it, but it is not my only focus.

00:37:03.000 I have a broad approach to what's happening in the country.

00:37:06.000 But I could tell you when I do talk about it, this issue is moving and it's moving quick.

00:37:12.000 The more ultrasound technology, the more science, the more transparency, the more we talk about it.

00:37:19.000 And so this is the moment where the pro-life movement should be saying, okay, we're either going to quiver and fight amongst ourselves and kind of go in and just kind of say it's never going to happen, or we're going to think really big.

00:37:34.000 We're going to say this generation, by the time that I am 50 years old, abortion will be illegal in America.

00:37:40.000 That's thinking big.

00:37:44.000 And it can be done.

00:37:45.000 It can be done.

00:37:47.000 And it's in all of the above strategy.

00:37:49.000 It's forming sanctuary cities like they did in Lubbock, Texas, where they say no abortions in our city.

00:37:56.000 It's getting involved in lawfare.

00:37:57.000 It's challenging people on their own hypocrisy.

00:38:00.000 It's running hundreds of millions of dollars of advertising on television.

00:38:04.000 That's what the gay marriage movement did.

00:38:06.000 Where you say, when does life begin?

00:38:08.000 Big questions.

00:38:09.000 That's why I say we're under-resourced.

00:38:10.000 And what an unbelievable investment to be able to live, to leave for the generation behind you.

00:38:16.000 And so I want to get to some questions, but let me say this: which is that what you are doing is, in my opinion, the issue that impacts all the other issues.

00:38:30.000 And it's an issue, as you can tell, I'm very, very passionate about and outspoken about.

00:38:36.000 And it's an issue that I believe, if you get that issue wrong, don't be surprised when all the other moral decay follows from it.

00:38:46.000 When you can't even defend the child that has no defense, don't be surprised when all this other injustice spreads.

00:38:58.000 And so I'm a big believer in the God of the Bible, a God that cares about what we do and how we act.

00:39:07.000 And I truly believe that Christians will be judged based on whether or not we contest and get involved in this very simple fight of right versus wrong.

00:39:20.000 There is no ambiguity here.

00:39:22.000 There isn't.

00:39:23.000 And so, Let me say this.

00:39:29.000 The truth is on your side.

00:39:30.000 You know that.

00:39:31.000 This generation is trending in your direction, and the enemy is nervous.

00:39:36.000 The opportunity is in front of you.

00:39:38.000 And together we'll seize it.

00:39:40.000 Okay, let's do some questions, right?

00:39:41.000 Okay, good.

00:39:49.000 Charlie, I've been perusing the questions that have been turned in on these index cards, and it looks like we still have some more coming, and they're all over the map.

00:39:56.000 A lot of them having to do with your presentation and the issue of pro-life, but a lot of them just other public policy and political questions.

00:40:03.000 I think you will enjoy responding to these.

00:40:04.000 Okay.

00:40:05.000 First one.

00:40:06.000 And thank you to everybody who has submitted a question.

00:40:09.000 Really, this is good stuff.

00:40:10.000 The first one, Charlie, is the conservative movement becoming more LGBTQ friendly, and is that a good thing?

00:40:17.000 Or asked another way, can you be conservative and be pro-LGBTQ?

00:40:22.000 So I believe marriage is between one man and one woman, no doubt.

00:40:26.000 And I'm unafraid to say that.

00:40:28.000 I will say this, though.

00:40:30.000 I have gay people on my staff, and I'm not afraid to say that.

00:40:33.000 And they know how I stand on the biblical issues and the biblical morals.

00:40:36.000 And some of my closest friends participate in that lifestyle, Rick Grinnell, Dave Rubin, and Peter Thiel.

00:40:43.000 And so I'm not an apologist for that.

00:40:45.000 But I will say it's something that I believe in the politics of addition and multiplication, not of subtraction and division.

00:40:51.000 But I also think we must be very clear.

00:40:53.000 I prefer clarity over agreement.

00:40:55.000 And the clear, I believe, and I'll say one other thing on the side of it, is that God made man and woman very clearly for each other in a covenant of marriage.

00:41:06.000 And if I think that the conservative movement should say that a gay person is not allowed in it, I don't think that's the right move.

00:41:14.000 And that's obviously not what I practice, that's not what we do at Turning Point USA.

00:41:14.000 I don't.

00:41:18.000 With that being said, I don't think that we should ever shy away from our beliefs or why we believe what we believe.

00:41:23.000 And especially when it comes to marriage and what marriage actually is.

00:41:27.000 Let me also talk about the transgender issue, because it bothers me greatly that somehow there is this insertion of the transgender issue, which is really an issue of mental illness, into the issue of homosexuality, right?

00:41:41.000 And the transgender issue really comes down to gender dysphoria.

00:41:46.000 It really does.

00:41:47.000 And it is an issue that is well documented in clinical studies and journals, in psychology journals.

00:41:53.000 We've decided to throw that all away, of people who think they are something different than their chromosomal structure that somehow want us to accommodate them.

00:42:01.000 Now, I believe that we should give them compassion, we should give them healing, and we should give them any sort of treatment that those people might need.

00:42:09.000 But all of a sudden, if we have to restructure our entire society and then destroy the innocence of our young women and female sports, I believe is evil and it's immoral and it's completely and totally reprehensible.

00:42:22.000 And so I, for one, on the transgender issue, have been more outspoken than almost anyone, especially when it comes to what is gender, where does it come from?

00:42:30.000 They say they're pro-science.

00:42:31.000 It's very simple.

00:42:32.000 XX, X, Y.

00:42:34.000 Those are the chromosomal structures that God made man and woman.

00:42:38.000 And so I will say that I can see what they're trying to do is continual moral confusion in our country.

00:42:45.000 And so I appreciate the question.

00:42:48.000 By the way, for those who were not here earlier, if you did not see Mary Rice Hassan's presentation on gender dysphoria and the whole transsexual agenda, watch it when you see the YouTube and Rumble videos put together.

00:42:48.000 Absolutely.

00:43:03.000 This, Brad, that presentation was amazing, so educational.

00:43:06.000 And Charlie, you would love it.

00:43:07.000 You would absolutely.

00:43:08.000 Thank you.

00:43:08.000 Charlie, there are two questions here that are very similar.

00:43:11.000 The first one says, do you have any aspirations to run for office?

00:43:14.000 The other one is much more direct.

00:43:16.000 Are you going to run for president?

00:43:17.000 Oh, that's very direct.

00:43:20.000 Well, no.

00:43:21.000 I mean, I get to do what I love.

00:43:23.000 And people ask all the time, am I going to run for office?

00:43:26.000 And I guess one would run for office to try and make an impact.

00:43:31.000 And most people I talk to in the Senate or the House, I ask them, I say, do you think you're actually making an impact?

00:43:37.000 They say, I don't know.

00:43:38.000 Well, I know I am.

00:43:40.000 I know what I'm doing is moving the dial.

00:43:42.000 I know that the people on radio and podcasting on campuses, I know what we are doing is moving the dial.

00:43:48.000 And that is a very fulfilling thing for any human being to have, to be able to know that your action is making a difference.

00:43:55.000 I don't know if it's making the difference.

00:43:58.000 I don't know.

00:43:59.000 And I actually want to comment on that, which is that people say all the time, Charlie, the odds are so great, shouldn't we just give up?

00:44:07.000 And the proper response is, the probability of victory is completely irrelevant as to whether or not you are going to engage in the moral fight.

00:44:17.000 It's actually completely irrelevant.

00:44:20.000 So people say, well, basically, do you know what they're actually saying?

00:44:24.000 They're saying, Charlie, can you tell me I can give up now?

00:44:27.000 The answer is, of course not.

00:44:29.000 They win when we give up.

00:44:31.000 It's that simple.

00:44:32.000 There is an inevitability to truth.

00:44:35.000 We know that.

00:44:36.000 And what I'm dedicated to doing at our work on the college campuses and podcasting and radio and all of this, in a lot of different ways, has been, I think, more fulfilling and has given purpose to myself and other people's lives.

00:44:53.000 And so the short answer is no.

00:44:54.000 The long answer is no.

00:44:57.000 But I do think other people should run for office.

00:45:00.000 I want to support you for that because I want to support anyone that runs to run for office because we need more people to do that.

00:45:05.000 For my own personal life, though, the answer is no.

00:45:08.000 It's almost as if you saw the next card.

00:45:10.000 Because it has something to do with someone who has expressed an interest potentially in running for president.

00:45:10.000 Oh, yeah?

00:45:15.000 This question is: how did you and Candace Owens start to work together?

00:45:18.000 Yeah, so I, it's a great question.

00:45:20.000 I met Candace, boy, three and a half years ago when I met her.

00:45:25.000 I think she had 20 or 30,000 followers on Twitter.

00:45:27.000 We hired her as our communications director at Turning Point USA.

00:45:32.000 And we traveled the country together, UCLA, UC Berkeley, you name it.

00:45:36.000 We spoke at it together.

00:45:37.000 And obviously, she's just a superstar now.

00:45:41.000 And she has Blexit, and we remain very good friends and totally in support of what she's doing.

00:45:46.000 And it's kind of one of the most fun moments in American political history that I can say that I played a part in, which is kind of being at the beginning stage of Candace Owens being in politics, which is pretty amazing.

00:45:58.000 And we saw a lot.

00:45:59.000 And I could tell you that, and one of the guiding thesis that we believe at Turning Point USA is that whatever happens on college campuses does not stay on college campuses.

00:46:09.000 And so whatever happens on college campuses spreads, and please excuse this comparison, like a virus all across the country.

00:46:17.000 And Candace and I, three years ago, were on these college campuses where they were arguing for all the radical ideas that you are now having to deprogram your children from believing in.

00:46:30.000 White privilege, critical race theory, postmodernism.

00:46:33.000 All this stuff starts on a college campus.

00:46:35.000 It's incubated there.

00:46:36.000 It's perfected there.

00:46:37.000 And then it's exported to the rest of the country.

00:46:39.000 And so Candace and I saw a lot of that.

00:46:41.000 We had a lot of fun together.

00:46:43.000 She has a new show, which I'm very excited about.

00:46:46.000 And she just had a child.

00:46:47.000 And I can honestly say the world's a better place because Candace Owens is in American politics.

00:46:54.000 I don't want to let you off that easy, though.

00:46:55.000 What about the presidential part?

00:46:57.000 Do you think, because you know her so well, I don't know.

00:47:01.000 I could tell you she would be very formidable.

00:47:05.000 I mean, she has a huge following.

00:47:07.000 She's tough.

00:47:08.000 She's smart.

00:47:09.000 She understands the issues.

00:47:10.000 She never surrenders to the left.

00:47:12.000 She'd be tough.

00:47:13.000 I mean, look, I don't know if she would run or not.

00:47:15.000 But if she ran, I'm telling you right now, she would be tough to beat in a primary or in a general.

00:47:21.000 And that's obviously up to her.

00:47:23.000 I'm going to go off the script here and just ask you this one.

00:47:26.000 She is bright.

00:47:28.000 She is powerful.

00:47:29.000 She is outspoken.

00:47:31.000 She is extraordinarily popular with her base.

00:47:34.000 I could say the exact same words about AOC.

00:47:38.000 What would happen to this country?

00:47:40.000 Not right.

00:47:41.000 How would it go if there...

00:47:42.000 No, okay.

00:47:43.000 You're right.

00:47:43.000 Not bright, but well respected by her base.

00:47:47.000 Charlie, in a Candace Owens hypothetical VAOC presidential campaign or election, who wins?

00:47:55.000 So if I ran with Candace?

00:47:56.000 No, This is Candace Owens versus AOC.

00:48:01.000 Candace would win a 57-state landslide in the words of Barack Obama.

00:48:04.000 I mean, it wouldn't even be close.

00:48:06.000 I mean, it wouldn't even be.

00:48:08.000 New York, California?

00:48:11.000 Look, we believe in the God of the Bible, supernatural intervention.

00:48:14.000 So absolutely, we could win New York.

00:48:16.000 No, but I mean, all kidding aside, I think Candace would totally beat AOC.

00:48:20.000 The moment AOC has to actually communicate, well, let me stand corrected.

00:48:24.000 We can now elect presidents without the need to communicate.

00:48:27.000 So there's, I think, maybe she could win.

00:48:36.000 I don't know.

00:48:38.000 I would hope you're right.

00:48:40.000 Apparently, the work talk is not a necessary prerequisite to become president.

00:48:44.000 Next question: I work with mostly all progressive liberals where it is safe to come out as gay or lesbian, but not safe to come out as a pro-life Trump voting conservative.

00:48:53.000 How can I turn the tide within my work culture without killing my career?

00:48:58.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a phenomenal question, and I get it all the time.

00:49:03.000 And so the short answer is there is no way.

00:49:08.000 And so I'm not going to give you some sort of magic hypnotic trick where you can somehow get your co-workers to think that you're St. Augustine because you're a conservative.

00:49:18.000 One thing that you'll learn the more you get involved in politics for all the young people in this room, and look at all the young people.

00:49:24.000 How awesome is this?

00:49:25.000 How many young people are here?

00:49:26.000 It's so great.

00:49:27.000 Is we think they are wrong.

00:49:34.000 They think we are bad.

00:49:38.000 It's a very important difference.

00:49:41.000 And so this is why, whomever asked this question, and I'm not going to out you or else you're going to get fired, that if you came out, you would not just be ridiculed and mocked, they would want you removed.

00:49:56.000 So they look at politics in the terms of, I'm a better person than you are, which is a very rich belief of the people that are in favor of post-birth abortion, widespread drug legalization, and the decriminalization of our entire society and the opening of our jails.

00:50:13.000 Somehow, they're the ones that are supposed to have the moral high ground.

00:50:17.000 And I think that part of it we deserve credit for because we, as conservatives, Christians, whatever you want to call it, call yourself politically, we want to believe the other side has good intentions.

00:50:32.000 So one thing that I tell our students, and not everyone agrees with this, but it's true, is that this, we don't want the same thing.

00:50:42.000 You see, this is a lie of harmony that is taught to young people in political science courses all across the country.

00:50:49.000 This is the lie.

00:50:50.000 Republicans and Democrats disagree on fundamental issues, but they all want the same thing for the nation.

00:50:59.000 And you've probably heard this many times, right?

00:51:03.000 We want unity.

00:51:04.000 We want to bring people together, which is hilarious because they say they want unity, and in the next sentence, they say diversity is our strength.

00:51:12.000 Like, it's one or the other.

00:51:14.000 It's either our differences make us stronger, or we all must be like Stalinistically totalitarian in obedience to what you're saying.

00:51:21.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:51:23.000 But the more that I've been involved in this and the more I've studied the left and seen where our country has gone, we do not want the same thing as the left.

00:51:32.000 They want churches shut down.

00:51:35.000 They want pastors in prison if they dare disagree with their dogma.

00:51:39.000 They want post-birth abortions.

00:51:41.000 They're perfectly okay with this transgender garbage all across our society.

00:51:47.000 We don't want that.

00:51:48.000 And so we have to all of a sudden say, no, no, no, we actually want two completely different things.

00:51:54.000 So one of the reasons why I think conservatives lose is because of this, which is why I think Donald Trump was so refreshing in some regard, is that there was very little confusion as to what side you were on.

00:52:08.000 Now, I'm a friend of the president's.

00:52:10.000 I wrote an entire book about the president.

00:52:12.000 I defended the president, but I think at times the president made it more difficult to win over swing voters.

00:52:18.000 And I've said that many times, and I would say it to him publicly and privately.

00:52:23.000 However, he's a gift, and I don't say that lightly.

00:52:25.000 He was a gift to the American political scene because he did more for life and more for our country than any other president.

00:52:33.000 And I don't say that lightly.

00:52:35.000 And so, and the great Dennis Krager will say this, I prefer clarity over agreement.

00:52:43.000 And one thing that Donald Trump offered to the American political discourse is clarity.

00:52:49.000 Okay, the Trump Party does not want 300,000 Nicaraguans and El Salvadorians pouring over into our country overnight.

00:52:59.000 Like the Democrat Party does.

00:53:00.000 The Republican Party believes life begins at conception.

00:53:03.000 The Democrat Party believes that it is not a human life.

00:53:06.000 Those sort of very bold differences, I think long-term is very healthy.

00:53:10.000 In fact, I think that's actually how we win.

00:53:12.000 I think we lose more on voter confusion.

00:53:16.000 And this is one of the biggest lies from the Mitt Romney-Liz Cheney types, which is, well, what we need to embrace is this fiscal conservatism.

00:53:23.000 So the only thing that matters is maximizing GDP and making sure the billionaire class has their ninth private jet.

00:53:31.000 But let me tell you this.

00:53:33.000 In the last year, billionaires added $600 billion for the net worth.

00:53:37.000 $600 billion.

00:53:39.000 We have tried this kind of corporate worship in our country.

00:53:42.000 And I'm a free market guy.

00:53:43.000 Okay, I believe free markets are the best way to help people.

00:53:46.000 But I also don't worship the free market.

00:53:48.000 I worship our creator.

00:53:50.000 And when the laws of nature are violated, I'm going to put that first.

00:53:53.000 And when these corporations that are supposed to be on team right are funding critical race theory, they're funding this woke nonsense, they're coming in and all of a sudden saying that they're in favor of post-birth abortion and all this nonsense, I'm going to say to these corporations, I'm not going to advocate for you anymore.

00:54:12.000 I'm not.

00:54:13.000 I'm not going to advocate for a corporate agenda in the Republican Party.

00:54:16.000 And so I'm not even close to sure what the question is, but I'm going to go back to you and say that what we have been given is a gift, a gift from Donald Trump.

00:54:29.000 And whether he runs again or not, we'll see.

00:54:32.000 Whatever his decision ends up being is the right decision.

00:54:34.000 But the Republican Party is now a party that values social conservatism more than ever before.

00:54:41.000 This milquetoast, vanilla, Mitt Romney, Massachusetts metropolitan agenda, which you guys kind of know a little bit about here in Ohio, is deeply unpopular.

00:54:51.000 And actually, we lose in the long term.

00:54:53.000 And now let me say this as a piece of loving feedback to the pro-life movement, if I may, because I do want to say, and I actually meant to say this earlier, and I speak at a lot of churches and all this.

00:55:03.000 Let me tell you one thing we have to do a better job of.

00:55:07.000 And it's actually a better job of communication, not a better job of actually doing this.

00:55:12.000 And so one misperception that the abortionists or the open-minded people in the middle have is that somehow we want the child to be born and then we abandon that child.

00:55:24.000 I already talked about that from a public policy perspective.

00:55:27.000 But we have to advertise, advocate, and I use this word and the fathers are just going to like jump on top of me.

00:55:35.000 Brag.

00:55:36.000 Like, you know, I know you're not supposed to say it.

00:55:37.000 Brag about how much we do in adoption.

00:55:41.000 We have to brag about what we do in the adoption arena in this country because the church does a lot, more than what people realize, that adoption is a real option.

00:55:51.000 There are families that want to adopt and that that is out there.

00:55:55.000 What we do a poor job of is advertising that.

00:56:00.000 And I could tell you from talking to young women that have had abortions and that regret it and have sought reconciliation for their sin.

00:56:10.000 And that's another thing that we have to tell young people.

00:56:12.000 It haunts people for the rest of their life, both the man and the woman, is this, is that there is a loving option out there for you.

00:56:21.000 And then the other thing is this, and I have to applaud, you guys don't do this at all, but certain pro-life groups border on the criticism of the woman that has had the abortion.

00:56:32.000 And I want to say that's a mistake.

00:56:34.000 These women are misled by predatory abortionists.

00:56:39.000 They know they've made a mistake, okay?

00:56:41.000 There's no reason to go out of your way to condemn them and all that.

00:56:44.000 They know what they've done was not the right thing.

00:56:46.000 Offer a place of healing and hope and compassion.

00:56:49.000 Focus on the abortionists and the abortion doctors all day long.

00:56:53.000 And if they don't repent, then stay on them.

00:56:55.000 I hope that makes a little bit of sense.

00:56:57.000 Those two pieces of feedback, and you guys have done a wonderful job of this, which is brag on the adoption scene and then also offer reconciliation, hope, forgiveness, and compassion for women that have made that choice.

00:57:08.000 I think those two things will make a substantial difference in our movement.

00:57:12.000 Excellent.

00:57:15.000 It's kind of funny.

00:57:16.000 The next question, once again, you seem prescient.

00:57:18.000 Because this question is about doctors.

00:57:21.000 I had doctors tell me to abort three of my four children.

00:57:24.000 Why do you think doctors are so quick to push abortion as a medical treatment when there is no medical problem that abortion cures?

00:57:31.000 It's a great question.

00:57:33.000 And I'm happy to answer questions indefinitely.

00:57:35.000 So I'm on your time, by the way, and I don't want to take otherone else's time, but I think this is helpful for some people.

00:57:41.000 So I just want to say that.

00:57:42.000 Abortion's not health care.

00:57:44.000 I think that's a very simple truth.

00:57:46.000 It's not.

00:57:47.000 It shouldn't be treated as health care.

00:57:49.000 It shouldn't be...

00:57:50.000 Anything that denies life is by definition not health care.

00:57:54.000 And so why do doctors push this?

00:57:58.000 Well, without getting too deep into the incentive structure of it, it depends on what sort of environment you're in.

00:58:06.000 In Planned Parenthood, their business model is abortion.

00:58:10.000 It's that simple.

00:58:11.000 They raise money on it.

00:58:13.000 They receive money on it.

00:58:15.000 Their business model is abortion.

00:58:17.000 If Planned Parenthood ceased delivering abortions, all of a sudden the Democrats would go find some other pro-abortion group to appropriate $500 million a year to it.

00:58:28.000 And they say, well, we do women's health, and they don't even do mammograms.

00:58:31.000 They don't even do the thing they tell the public they're doing.

00:58:34.000 They say, well, we need money.

00:58:36.000 You know what that is?

00:58:37.000 They say, well, it doesn't go fund abortion.

00:58:39.000 I say, okay, we're covering your overhead, okay?

00:58:41.000 So you have to pay for the building.

00:58:43.000 You pay for all of your administrative overhead with $500 million a year.

00:58:47.000 And then you go get this extra money to go pay for the abortion.

00:58:50.000 So why do doctors push for it?

00:58:52.000 Well, some doctors are not trained properly to actually know the severity of what an abortion actually is.

00:58:58.000 Number two, it's convenient, unfortunately.

00:59:00.000 I hate to say that, but it's widely accepted and it's convenient.

00:59:05.000 And I don't want to speak for doctors.

00:59:08.000 I know a lot of great doctors.

00:59:09.000 I also know some doctors that are unbelievably intelligent, but they have no wisdom on this subject.

00:59:14.000 I had a discussion with a doctor like six or seven months ago, very, very smart.

00:59:20.000 Harvard, John Hopkins, like no wisdom at all.

00:59:24.000 A 14-year-old that has read Proverbs once has more wisdom than this guy.

00:59:28.000 And he said, yeah, I mean, it's not a human life.

00:59:32.000 It's a prenatal fetal development.

00:59:34.000 And his argument was that if it was a human life, the law would recognize it as a life.

00:59:40.000 That was his argument.

00:59:41.000 I said, you must have learned that at a university because it's so unbelievably void of common sense or logic.

00:59:47.000 There's no other place you could possibly find that opinion except at a college.

00:59:52.000 And so, again, I don't want to speak for doctors, but I do think that we need more doctors to have courage to speak out on this issue.

01:00:01.000 And not necessarily the doctors that are performing the abortions, the doctors that are recommending them or that know what is happening.

01:00:07.000 Because it really is tragic.

01:00:09.000 And I think that it goes to a broader and deeper problem of communication and information.

01:00:13.000 And I have just loved learning about these pro-life ministries that have been counseling young women to say, hey, let's get an ultrasound.

01:00:21.000 You know, let's show you what you actually have.

01:00:23.000 It's not just a clump of cells.

01:00:25.000 You want to hear the heartbeat?

01:00:26.000 You know that this is, you know, that's such powerful and moving ministry work.

01:00:31.000 It really is.

01:00:32.000 And for doctors that recommend abortion as a primary option, I hate to put it this bluntly, but it's a very immoral thing to do.

01:00:41.000 It really is.

01:00:42.000 Because then you are using your position of authority and trust with someone who is vulnerable to lead them to a regret, not just a regrettable, but an immoral and life-ending decision.

01:00:56.000 And even more so than that, if I may say this.

01:00:58.000 So in the Bible, it says the worst sin that you could do, at least in the Torah, the Old Testament, the worst sin is to take the Lord's name in vain.

01:01:08.000 So a common and conventional reading, which I do not believe is the correct reading if you look at the ancient Hebrew, is to say, oh my, and I actually don't say it, like, oh my God, right?

01:01:17.000 You're not supposed to say that.

01:01:18.000 That's actually not what it means.

01:01:20.000 What it means is to carry, you go back to the ancient Hebrew, to carry the name of the Lord towards a certain action.

01:01:27.000 What is that actually saying?

01:01:29.000 To do evil in the name of God.

01:01:32.000 And so for any priest or rabbi or minister that condones abortion under the guise of your authority as someone that is trying to be an intermediary to the divine, that is the worst thing that you can do is representing evil in that way.

01:01:52.000 John, our last question, we're going to go straight political, and I'm going to save this for last because I know you could go for a while on this, as we probably all could.

01:02:00.000 In light of the 2020 election, what do you see as a way forward with this rigged electoral system?

01:02:08.000 So that's called leading the questioner.

01:02:11.000 Yes, it is.

01:02:11.000 No.

01:02:12.000 Look, it was the most interfered with election in American history.

01:02:15.000 And I talked about this a lot on my podcast.

01:02:17.000 I want to thank those of you that have been listening to our podcast and supporting us in the pursuit of finding out what actually has happened.

01:02:22.000 I think we must get very specific of what happened, what didn't happen.

01:02:26.000 So, and I say this as lovingly as I can.

01:02:28.000 There's a lot of misinformation around this as well.

01:02:31.000 Mike Pence is not in Gitmo.

01:02:33.000 We didn't have votes transmitted from Italy.

01:02:35.000 That stuff's just not true.

01:02:37.000 What is true, and what still remains to be seen, is how on earth there were hundreds of thousands of ballots and who filled them out and the signature verification problems and them arriving in the middle of the night and election judges not allowed to be coming in there.

01:02:48.000 That's what we need to focus.

01:02:50.000 And so I've talked about this quite a lot.

01:02:52.000 This was the most interfered with election in American history.

01:02:55.000 In Georgia and Arizona in particular, Georgia changed their laws to specifically have their Mail-in-ballot system because Brian Kemp and Rothensperger went into a consent decree with the secretary, went into a consent decree with Stacey Abrams to then allow relaxed signature verification standards.

01:03:18.000 And so Brian Kemp, being probably one of America's worst governors, allowed a relaxation of the voting rules and regulations in Georgia.

01:03:27.000 And that never should have been allowed to happen.

01:03:29.000 And so how are we going to fix it?

01:03:31.000 Well, first of all, we need to fix it on a state-by-state level.

01:03:34.000 And we need to be persistent.

01:03:35.000 And we need to, we have still not found out the extent of what has happened in this election.

01:03:40.000 I hope you all understand that.

01:03:41.000 And I'm open-minded to all of it.

01:03:43.000 Absent the wacky stuff that Mike Pence is currently in Gitmo.

01:03:46.000 I get these emails.

01:03:47.000 I'm like, this is an incredible thing to believe.

01:03:50.000 It's just not true.

01:03:51.000 And so, or like, Trump was going to be president on March 4th.

01:03:54.000 Like, okay, guys, let's calm down.

01:03:56.000 You guys probably saw those emails, right?

01:03:57.000 Not true.

01:03:58.000 Okay, now they say it's March 16th.

01:04:00.000 I love you guys.

01:04:00.000 Not true.

01:04:01.000 Okay.

01:04:02.000 But with that being said, he should be, but he's not going to be.

01:04:06.000 Two different things.

01:04:08.000 What ought is not is.

01:04:10.000 Okay, so we know that to be true.

01:04:12.000 And so let me say this.

01:04:15.000 Stay on your state legislators.

01:04:16.000 In this state, you guys, I think, actually executed a rather fair and free election because you guys made the right choices years ago to put in some sort of reforms.

01:04:24.000 You guys might agree or disagree.

01:04:26.000 Trump won by nine and a half points.

01:04:27.000 I'm not that concerned that this state was interfered with.

01:04:30.000 Georgia, absolutely.

01:04:32.000 Arizona, absolutely.

01:04:33.000 Pennsylvania.

01:04:34.000 I mean, you guys just right over the border probably have story after story after story of what happened.

01:04:40.000 And I'm going to tell you right now, if you anyone live in Pennsylvania here, I'm sure somebody lives in Pennsylvania.

01:04:44.000 No one lives in Pennsylvania?

01:04:45.000 Some people, I was going to say, if no one lived, it's pretty impressive.

01:04:47.000 Some people do.

01:04:48.000 In Pennsylvania, you have to get to the bottom of what happened.

01:04:51.000 I'm talking about lawsuits and FOIAs and state legislators and looking into every single issue imaginable there.

01:04:58.000 And let me tell you this, they're getting very uncomfortable with the amount of pressure and the amount of interest that remains for the issue of voter integrity.

01:05:11.000 That means there's something there.

01:05:13.000 There really is.

01:05:14.000 And so I'm not going to speculate, I'm not going to conjecture, but let me tell you this: that states that operated their elections correctly, Donald Trump won significantly.

01:05:24.000 The elections when there were long vote counts and ballot drops and all of this, Donald Trump magically lost in the middle of the night.

01:05:33.000 And let me tell you one thing you can do about this.

01:05:37.000 HR1.

01:05:38.000 HR1 is an existential threat to our country.

01:05:41.000 It's House Resolution 1, which would universal mail and voting.

01:05:44.000 It would put every prisoner out there registered to vote, DMV, illegal aliens, the entire thing.

01:05:51.000 And so I highly encourage every single one of you in any capacity you have to publicly or privately communicate with your lawmakers to stop HR1, House Resolution 1, which is now in front of the Senate, and miraculously, and pray, and I don't say this lightly, pray your most serious prayers for Kirsten Sinema and for Joe Manchin.

01:06:16.000 So these two Democrats that are pro-abortion Democrats very well might be the only thing that prevents us from losing the Republic.

01:06:24.000 You might say, how is that possible?

01:06:25.000 Without getting into the weeds of it, there's a thing called the filibuster.

01:06:29.000 You need to break it by going to cloture.

01:06:30.000 They need all 50 votes of the Democrats to get to it.

01:06:33.000 And if those two Democrats hold the line and say that you require 60 votes reconciliation, then HR1 will probably die in the U.S. Senate, at least until another term comes around.

01:06:42.000 And that makes the midterms next time very important.

01:06:45.000 And so the election was tampered with and interfered with.

01:06:49.000 Instead of improving our elections, Democrats are trying to further destroy them.

01:06:52.000 Why?

01:06:53.000 Pelosi knows under normal circumstances, she's going to lose the House in a massive way in 2022 by 40-plus seats.

01:07:03.000 So, therefore, she says, I don't accept the premise.

01:07:07.000 Why do we have to be under normal circumstances?

01:07:09.000 So, therefore, she has HR1 to change the rules of the road so that she can remain in power perpetually.

01:07:15.000 It's Machiavellian, it's evil, it is Chicago-style thug politics, and it must be met with the same form of intensity that they're giving to us.

01:07:24.000 And that is, right now, two Democrat senators, Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema, basically hold the keys to the kingdom, the future of the Republic.

01:07:32.000 And I don't say that lightly.

01:07:33.000 This bill is that bad, and I'm going to prove it to you.

01:07:36.000 If you don't have elections, you actually don't have any form of a government.

01:07:40.000 It's that simple.

01:07:41.000 I mean, the government is just a reflection of the people and how you actually put your values into it.

01:07:45.000 Elections, you don't have elections, you don't have a government, you don't have a country.

01:07:49.000 And so, HR1 is that big of a deal.

01:07:51.000 And so, I encourage all of you to get informed about it, stay engaged about it, and try to do something about it.

01:07:55.000 In closing, let me say one.

01:07:56.000 Can I say one final thing?

01:07:58.000 It's an honor to be with all of you.

01:08:00.000 If you guys want to learn more about the work that we're doing, we do two podcasts a day, one on Saturday, one on Sunday.

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01:08:16.000 As you know, there's a lot of that going around right now.

01:08:19.000 And one of the ways we remain uncancelable is when people take out their phones and actually subscribe independent of all these channels.

01:08:26.000 Just Charlie Kirk Show, hit subscribe.

01:08:28.000 But more than anything else, there's a crisis, and it's a crisis in courage.

01:08:32.000 And my charge for you tonight is to be courageous and think big and move that Overton window.

01:08:39.000 We are at radical right now.

01:08:41.000 Let's get it to policy.

01:08:42.000 Think big, pursue truth, and defend the good.

01:08:46.000 And one day, together, we'll end abortion.

01:08:48.000 Thank you guys so much.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 21, 2021

The Best Logical, Scientific, and Faith-Based Argument Against Abortion

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