Ali B. Stucky joins us to discuss the recent attack on Christians by a transgender gunman, and the church's silence on the issue of transgenderism in marriage. Ali is a Christian author, speaker, and host of the podcast Relatable With Ali Stucky.
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00:01:42.000terror attack in addition to being a trans yet another violent murderous outburst by a transgender individual how did we get here and And what is your analysis of this yet repeated attack against Christianity?
00:02:00.000All these details that they weren't just Christians who were targeted, but specifically Christian children.
00:02:06.000Of course, that is the same pattern that we saw in Nashville just a couple of years ago.
00:02:10.000Someone who thinks that they're born in the wrong body, specifically targeting children who are praying, worshiping, learning about God.
00:02:18.000And of course, this particular killer, it looks like had that explicit motivation with the words written in his journal on his gun and things like that.
00:03:01.000that's well said and that is exactly right and the it's interesting because so many pastors when George Floyd overdosed in Minneapolis in May of 2020.
00:03:13.000They for months, some weeks, they talked about how we're racist and we need to apologize for being racist in Minneapolis, mind you.
00:03:20.000And I wonder how many pastors this Sunday are going to speak out against the toxin of transgenderism.
00:03:30.000More innocent children have been harmed by the trans lobby than by racist police.
00:03:41.000So I don't want to read too much into his imagery, but that looks like he's communicating with a demon or some sort of satanic spirit.it there.
00:03:50.000Allie, why is it that the church is refusing to speak out against what is now a public safety risk, which is the transgender community in this country?
00:04:01.000Gosh, that's such a good and sad comparison, what you just said.
00:04:04.000We had so many pastors, pastors who would have called themselves conservative evangelicals who after George Floyd's death blamed all white people because of the alleged actions of one person.
00:04:17.000And yet when it comes to someone who identifies as the opposite sex, of course, we see the mayor of Minneapolis saying, this has nothing to do with transggenderism.
00:04:27.000This doesn't have to do with the quote unquote trans community.
00:04:29.000And unfortunately, we're probably going to see that vagueness from a lot of pastors who call themselves Christians.
00:04:36.000But really, they should have been talking about this a long time ago.
00:04:39.000All Christians, especially pastors from the pulpit, should be on the front lines about this because primarily this is not political, primarily this is theological.
00:04:48.000In fact, it goes back to the very first chapter of the first book of the Bible.
00:04:52.000So if you are a pastor who says, I don't want to get political, I'm not asking you to.
00:04:58.000And if you just preach the first 27 verses of the Bible, you will get to the controversial statement that all people are made to God's image as male or female that is fundamentally theological.
00:05:11.000And if you are missing that, it's not because you're scared to be political, it's because you're scared to be biblical.
00:05:17.000And if that's the case, you have no place behind a pulpit.
00:05:21.000A lot of these pastors need to resign in disgrace.
00:05:23.000And in the audience right now, if you're going to one of those churches and you are tithing to one of those pastors, you got to disconnect.
00:05:52.000This is Minneapolis school shooter confessed that he was tired of being trans.
00:05:57.000Quote, I wish I never brainwashed myself.
00:06:01.000The whole other thing that you and I could explore for about 20 minutes here at Rally is that the media and the journalists are getting really mad that people are misgendering the shooter.
00:06:25.000This is the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Free.
00:06:28.000And if this shooter would have been a Trump supporting MAGA hat wearing, oh, they would have cared about his identity.
00:06:40.000But now that it was a trans person, they say, how dare you make it about their identity, even though this is a pattern of trans violence around the country?
00:06:55.000Anybody who is using this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any other community out there has lost their sense of common humanity.
00:07:08.000We should not be operating from a place of hate for anyone.
00:07:13.000We should be operating from a place of love for our kids.
00:07:26.000Yeah, he said the same thing on CNN with Aaron Burnett, I think it was.
00:07:30.000And then he, as an aside, kind of parenthetically said, oh, and yeah, including Catholic people, including the Catholic kids, as if they are just kind of a peripheral part of this story.
00:07:41.000No, it's the Christians who are targeted.
00:07:43.000And he is showing more compassion, what I call toxic empathy for the perpetrator of this crime, because he happens to be identified as what they consider, you know, marginalized, oppressed group than he is for the very kids who are being killed.
00:07:57.000Yes, the specific mental disarrangement that a killer has is absolutely relevant to the conversation when we're talking about stopping crime, especially when we see a pattern.
00:08:07.000If we see a pattern of any kind of person that is targeting another kind of person, in this case a so-called trans person targeting Christian kids, then I think a smart person might ask why.
00:08:19.000does this keep happening and how can we stop it?
00:08:22.000One way to stop it is stop calling a man she because you are perpetuating the very delusion that is driving this kind of evil ideology that ends itself in chaos and death.
00:08:35.000I mean, you wrote a whole book about it.
00:08:37.000Shouldn't Christians be the leaders of correcting this in the culture, not the ones affirming the delusion that leads to two dead kids at a Catholic mass?
00:08:47.000Empathy becomes toxic when it leads you to do three things.
00:08:50.000Affirm sin, validate lies, or support destructive policy.
00:08:53.000Empathy by itself neutral could lead you towards kindness, but it can also lead you to cruelty if it is leading you to affirm and validate and support things that are destructive and evil and sinful.
00:09:06.000And that's exactly what has happened here because people feel so deeply for others they have allowed that feeling to drive them to affirm things that are bad not only for that individual but also the victims on the other side of the moral equation, also society in general.
00:09:21.000This is true when it comes to immigration, it's true when it comes to social justice, gender, sexuality, abortion, climate.
00:09:27.000On all of these different issues, Christian compassion is perverted and weaponized against people in order to convince them that the only moral and compassionate position is the progressive.
00:09:38.000aggressive one, but love and empathy are not synonymous.
00:09:41.000Love as we read in 1 Corinthians 13:6 is interwoven with the truth.
00:09:48.000Which means that Christians are called to something much better and deeper than toxic empathy.
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00:10:47.000The media didn't mention any of it celebrating the fact that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are getting married and we're just so excited about the upcoming marriage.
00:11:00.000And I was basically outlining what are biblical principles for a marriage straight from scripture.
00:11:07.000And I said, wives submit to your husbands, as it says repeatedly.
00:11:12.000But the second part is also really important.
00:11:14.000We as husbands must be willing to sacrifice ourselves for our wives as Christ died for the church.
00:11:20.000That means we must be willing to die for our wives.
00:11:23.000Of course, nobody in the culture wanted to mention that.
00:12:18.000Allie Beth Stucky, make my argument for me.
00:12:21.000Of course, you're talking about Ephesians 5 and other passages.
00:12:24.000As you said, it's not only one passage.
00:12:27.000We actually see this throughout Scripture, especially the New Testament, that wives are to submit to our husbands as we submit to the Lord.
00:12:35.000The husband is supposed to love his wife as Christ loves the church.
00:12:41.000We see the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman, but we also see that it is an earthly reflection of an eternal reality of.
00:12:49.000Christ's marriage to the church, Christ being the groom, the church being the bridegroom.
00:12:54.000And as the church submits to Christ as he is our authority, so the wife is to submit to her husband.
00:13:00.000That doesn't mean all women submit to all men, but the wife is to submit to her husband because at the end of the day, someone has to be responsible ultimately for the spiritual formation, the sanctification.
00:13:13.000Of course, the Holy Spirit does that, but that passage says that the husband is also responsible for the sanctification of his wife.
00:13:20.000He's responsible for the spiritual leadership of his family.
00:13:58.000But at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, I am going to follow my husband wherever he leads and he is going to love me as Christ loves the church.
00:14:07.000I'm so glad that I don't bear that burden of having to be the self sacrificial leader of our family, because that is a really hard job.
00:15:15.000Because we live in a culture that whether or not someone actually affirms what we think of as transgenderism, our culture today is functionally transgender.
00:15:25.000And what I mean by that is that there is this underlying belief that men and women are the same, that we are essentially interchangeable.
00:15:33.000We saw this with feminism, we saw this with Obergefell, that women can be men.
00:15:37.000And then we, of course, saw that husbands can become wives, that moms can become dads.
00:15:42.000And so, of course, we have the belief now that men and women are essentially the same in just a matter of, you know, helping someone with synthetic hormones.
00:15:52.000In fact, you could argue that it goes all the way back to the garden when Satan tempted Eve with did God really say and encouraged her to take the lead.
00:16:41.000why Satan hates children, one of the chief ones being that Jesus, the Messiah, the one who is going to trample upon him forever and ever, came as a baby.
00:16:48.000And Satan in all of his power couldn't even thwart that plan of redeemtion.
00:16:55.000And so Satan has it out for the nature of marriage and for how marriage is supposed to be as outlined in the Bible.
00:17:02.000And so, of course, you're going to have a lot of people kind of pushing this deception that marriage is supposed to be this egalitarian thing, and it's not.
00:17:11.000Why is the church so afraid to say this?
00:17:13.000And why is it that some Christians were even criticizing me for saying this one line or less emphasis on that.
00:17:21.000But why is it that the church doesn't teach this?
00:17:24.000Oh, because a lot of people think they're nicer than God.
00:17:26.000And a lot of people think they can outnice God, outcompassion God, out love God, that they need to apologize for God, that, oh, we shouldn't be using these clobber verses and God is too harsh about this.
00:17:38.000But really at the end of the day, if you believe that, that you have to apologize for what the word of God clearly says, which it does say that wives should submit to their husbands among many other things that people find controversial, then that is self idolatry.
00:17:51.000You are elevating yourself to a place that is holier and better and wiser than God.
00:19:05.000And then, of course, hopefully, the right marriage and the right relationship with children and all of that will come into play.
00:19:11.000I do just want to say if women are looking for something different, if they're not getting the kind of encouragement and apologetics and theology that they need or even if they are and they need more of that.
00:19:21.000I do have a Christian Women's Conference coming up in Dallas, Texas on October 11.
00:20:06.000By the way, Eric and I are going to do a long form podcast all about this very topic.
00:20:10.000And I'm sure it'll get a lot of attention.
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00:21:16.000Joining us now is Dr. Larry Arn, the president of Hillsdale College.
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00:21:30.000Thank you so much for taking the time.
00:21:32.000Dr. Arn, I want to ask you an open-ended question.
00:21:34.000We have time to explore this together, and you are a great teacher of mine and a mentor of mine, but it's a question that has been raging throughout the internet.
00:22:23.000Those principles, by the way, are unthinkable in the ancient world and what intervened to change that, make them necessary, was the birth of Jesus Christ.
00:22:34.000Because now you're going to have a Savior for everyone on earth but you have to come to him voluntarily and so many people who came to this country came to escape religious persecution and they figured out how not to do that so that's the first thing something unprecedented something eternal but never adopted before The second thing is our experience on this land.
00:23:00.000The founders were very taken with the continent, not until Lewis and Clark in the first decade of the 19th century, did they know how big the continent was?
00:23:14.000But they knew it was big and they knew they could carve a life out for it.
00:23:19.000So Americans are the greatest builders on Earth.
00:23:22.000And, you know, Elon Musk and Palmer Lucky and Alex Carp are lately, I think, the pillar of American national defense because they're builders.
00:23:33.000They just do it on their own and they think it up and they do it.
00:24:21.000So, so, doctor, allow me to ask a little bit more of a boundary pushing question.
00:24:28.000Let's just take a kid right now in Beijing.
00:24:30.000He has a U.S. passport because his mom flew over when she was eight months pregnant, landed in San Francisco, and was born in a San Francisco hospital.
00:24:40.000He got a citizenship certificate, and then his mom flew back to Beijing, and he is being raised in China.
00:24:47.000He is a U.S. citizen, even though he's never been raised here.
00:24:51.000doesn't go to our schools, doesn't know the national anthem, but because his mom came here and he is basically an anchor baby, is this kid in China?
00:24:59.000Is he an American just because he has his paperwork?
00:25:04.000And there's a the source of that confusion comes from a common law tradition, you know, the English common law, which grew up over a very long time under the institution of kingship.
00:25:17.000And that argument was, if you're born on the king's territory, you're a subject of the king.
00:25:22.000So you're not a citizen, you're a subject.
00:25:25.000And so if you're born there, he claims you.
00:25:34.000And so America requires a set of practices and beliefs.
00:25:38.000In principle, they make every one of us.
00:25:40.000us a ruler of the country, but we have to be dutiful in that.
00:25:46.000We have to qualify ourselves for that.
00:25:47.000We have to learn what that is and requires.
00:25:51.000So the idea of automatic citizenship in America is a corruption which has an older root in a different kind of nation or regime and which has modern liberalism behind it because what it wants to do is destroy all the national boundaries.
00:26:10.000And then, and if you do that, by the way, it's just a logical fact, you destroy the consent of the govern government, you have to have a people.
00:26:22.000And if the government gets to say who the people are, and if it's anybody who by any accident, including birth here, can claim some connection to the country, and they can make them a citizen because of that, then all of a sudden the government is in control of who the people are, and then the people are not in a position to give their consent.
00:26:43.000So, doctor, as we bring newcomers to this country, immigrants of which we've brought way too many in the last couple of years, what should our expectations be of newcomers?
00:26:53.000What should the what should we expect?
00:26:55.000What should their obligations and their duties be to then become an American?
00:27:00.000I feel as if we have no expectations for newcomers.
00:27:05.000We have they have entitlement when many of them come here.
00:27:09.000The question I suppose I have is what should the agreed upon ideal criteria be of when someone is able to prove that they become an American citizen or an American part of this incredible republic?
00:27:24.000You know, the principles and practices for that are in place right now.
00:28:33.000But whether wide open or more restricted, the way to become a citizen is to adopt the practices and beliefs of America and demonstrate that.
00:28:42.000There are some good bills that have been in the Congress lately and passed.
00:28:48.000Who knows what Donald Trump will get done because whatever it is, if he decides to do it, he might get it done.
00:30:26.000That's an abnegation of the principles of the nation.
00:30:30.000And I want to repeat, it's the interplay of the principles of the nation and this experience we have of settling this continent.
00:30:40.000And think about that experience, right?
00:30:43.000The kind of government we set up in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution is simply unprecedented.
00:30:49.000And what we did through many trials was we extended that way of government all the way across the country, the continent, in the beginning not knowing how big the continent was, in the beginning naming the army that won the Revolutionary War the Continental Army, and all of the new places came in with the same rights and the same representation as the original 13.
00:32:29.000We should also understand our unique experience and what it calls us to do today, which is to govern this country in freedom, to make it strong and to be a light but not a ruler of the world.
00:32:48.000And all of that, that's the founding fathers talking there.
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00:35:10.000We're expanding our library and it's going to look in the Hillsdale was started in 1844 and we built a beautiful building, Central Hall in 1852.
00:35:21.000And then in the 60s and 70s, we built some 60s and 70s architecture.
00:35:27.000And four years from today, that will all be covered up or destroyed.
00:35:31.000And it'll be a classical looking place as it is a classical being place.
00:35:38.000So yeah, the college is thriving right now.
00:37:50.000We're always in the top three in the country in percentage of math majors.
00:37:55.000We have a hot mathematics department, physics too, chemistry too, biology too.
00:37:59.000And so you study everything here and you try to turn it into an integrity of understanding that can help you know what you are defined in relation to the beast below and God above.
00:38:13.000So that's the activity and that's why it's so consuming and challenging and it's growing.
00:38:22.000I mean, I, you know, it's the student body has grown about sixty percent since I've been here.
00:38:26.000It's still a small college and always will be, but it's a vibrant place.