The Charlie Kirk Show - The Bible's Design For Marriage is Amazing — Even for Taylor Swift!

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the bitcoin dot com studio.

00:00:04.000 Ali Beth Stuckey joins us as we talk about biblical roles in marriage.

00:00:09.000 A transgender goes and kills two young Catholic kids and more. 1.00

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00:00:34.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:07.000 There is so much happening right now, and I can't think of a better guest to help analyze it all than the legendary Ali B. Stucky.

00:01:17.000 Ali Stucky is one of the most important Christian voices out there, especially for Christian women.

00:01:24.000 She is the author of Toxic Empathy and host of Relatable with Ali B. Stucky.

00:01:28.000 Ali, yesterday a transgender gunman targeted Christians that were celebrating mass and praying for a new school year.

00:01:39.000 This is obviously an anti-Christian. 0.77

00:01:42.000 terror attack in addition to being a trans yet another violent murderous outburst by a transgender individual how did we get here and And what is your analysis of this yet repeated attack against Christianity? 0.93

00:01:59.000 Gosh, it's so disturbing.

00:02:00.000 All these details that they weren't just Christians who were targeted, but specifically Christian children.

00:02:06.000 Of course, that is the same pattern that we saw in Nashville just a couple of years ago.

00:02:10.000 Someone who thinks that they're born in the wrong body, specifically targeting children who are praying, worshiping, learning about God.

00:02:18.000 And of course, this particular killer, it looks like had that explicit motivation with the words written in his journal on his gun and things like that.

00:02:28.000 obviously this is demonic.

00:02:30.000 There is some sort of demonic oppression and demonic possession perhaps going on.

00:02:35.000 Some of this person's drawings that were published actually depicted him communicating with Satan or a demon or something like that.

00:02:44.000 So if people doubted spiritual warfare before this, they shouldn't now.

00:02:50.000 Good and evil, darkness and light actually exist.

00:02:53.000 There is a war waging for the human soul and a war waging specifically that targets children.

00:02:59.000 That's a good point.

00:03:01.000 that's well said and that is exactly right and the it's interesting because so many pastors when George Floyd overdosed in Minneapolis in May of 2020.

00:03:13.000 They for months, some weeks, they talked about how we're racist and we need to apologize for being racist in Minneapolis, mind you.

00:03:20.000 And I wonder how many pastors this Sunday are going to speak out against the toxin of transgenderism. 1.00

00:03:30.000 More innocent children have been harmed by the trans lobby than by racist police.

00:03:35.000 Let's put 461 up on screen.

00:03:38.000 This is a picture of obviously this guy is completely deranged.

00:03:40.000 He's totally insane.

00:03:41.000 So I don't want to read too much into his imagery, but that looks like he's communicating with a demon or some sort of satanic spirit.it there.

00:03:50.000 Allie, why is it that the church is refusing to speak out against what is now a public safety risk, which is the transgender community in this country? 1.00

00:04:01.000 Gosh, that's such a good and sad comparison, what you just said.

00:04:04.000 We had so many pastors, pastors who would have called themselves conservative evangelicals who after George Floyd's death blamed all white people because of the alleged actions of one person.

00:04:17.000 And yet when it comes to someone who identifies as the opposite sex, of course, we see the mayor of Minneapolis saying, this has nothing to do with transggenderism.

00:04:27.000 This doesn't have to do with the quote unquote trans community.

00:04:29.000 And unfortunately, we're probably going to see that vagueness from a lot of pastors who call themselves Christians.

00:04:36.000 But really, they should have been talking about this a long time ago.

00:04:39.000 All Christians, especially pastors from the pulpit, should be on the front lines about this because primarily this is not political, primarily this is theological.

00:04:48.000 In fact, it goes back to the very first chapter of the first book of the Bible.

00:04:52.000 So if you are a pastor who says, I don't want to get political, I'm not asking you to.

00:04:57.000 I'm asking you to get biblical.

00:04:58.000 And if you just preach the first 27 verses of the Bible, you will get to the controversial statement that all people are made to God's image as male or female that is fundamentally theological.

00:05:11.000 And if you are missing that, it's not because you're scared to be political, it's because you're scared to be biblical.

00:05:17.000 And if that's the case, you have no place behind a pulpit.

00:05:21.000 That's right.

00:05:21.000 A lot of these pastors need to resign in disgrace.

00:05:23.000 And in the audience right now, if you're going to one of those churches and you are tithing to one of those pastors, you got to disconnect.

00:05:30.000 This Sunday should be a test.

00:05:32.000 Will your pastor speak out against the transgender threat in our country? 1.00

00:05:38.000 And if they spoke out against George Floyd, more people died actually in this situation than in George Floyd.

00:05:43.000 They were attacking little kids at mass.

00:05:45.000 And this wasn't a quote unquote MAGA white supremacist.

00:05:49.000 Now, 440, let's put 459 up on screen.

00:05:52.000 This is Minneapolis school shooter confessed that he was tired of being trans.

00:05:57.000 Quote, I wish I never brainwashed myself.

00:06:01.000 The whole other thing that you and I could explore for about 20 minutes here at Rally is that the media and the journalists are getting really mad that people are misgendering the shooter.

00:06:11.000 Forget that two kids are dead.

00:06:13.000 They're getting upset that this demonic mass murderer might have a wrong gendering.

00:06:22.000 But I do want to play this piece of tape here.

00:06:23.000 This is it's.

00:06:25.000 so telling.

00:06:25.000 This is the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Free.

00:06:28.000 And if this shooter would have been a Trump supporting MAGA hat wearing, oh, they would have cared about his identity.

00:06:40.000 But now that it was a trans person, they say, how dare you make it about their identity, even though this is a pattern of trans violence around the country? 0.97

00:06:47.000 Play cut 423.

00:06:49.000 I have heard about a whole lot of hate that's being directed.

00:06:53.000 at our trans community.

00:06:55.000 Anybody who is using this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any other community out there has lost their sense of common humanity.

00:07:08.000 We should not be operating from a place of hate for anyone.

00:07:13.000 We should be operating from a place of love for our kids.

00:07:18.000 Right.

00:07:18.000 And you're the one that defunded the police or your entire cabal defunded the police after George Floyd.

00:07:24.000 Ali, stuck your reaction.

00:07:26.000 Yeah, he said the same thing on CNN with Aaron Burnett, I think it was.

00:07:30.000 And then he, as an aside, kind of parenthetically said, oh, and yeah, including Catholic people, including the Catholic kids, as if they are just kind of a peripheral part of this story.

00:07:41.000 No, it's the Christians who are targeted.

00:07:43.000 And he is showing more compassion, what I call toxic empathy for the perpetrator of this crime, because he happens to be identified as what they consider, you know, marginalized, oppressed group than he is for the very kids who are being killed.

00:07:57.000 Yes, the specific mental disarrangement that a killer has is absolutely relevant to the conversation when we're talking about stopping crime, especially when we see a pattern.

00:08:07.000 If we see a pattern of any kind of person that is targeting another kind of person, in this case a so-called trans person targeting Christian kids, then I think a smart person might ask why. 0.65

00:08:19.000 does this keep happening and how can we stop it?

00:08:22.000 One way to stop it is stop calling a man she because you are perpetuating the very delusion that is driving this kind of evil ideology that ends itself in chaos and death.

00:08:33.000 And that is toxic empathy.

00:08:34.000 Talk a little bit more about that.

00:08:35.000 I mean, you wrote a whole book about it.

00:08:37.000 Shouldn't Christians be the leaders of correcting this in the culture, not the ones affirming the delusion that leads to two dead kids at a Catholic mass? 0.93

00:08:46.000 Yes.

00:08:47.000 Empathy becomes toxic when it leads you to do three things.

00:08:50.000 Affirm sin, validate lies, or support destructive policy.

00:08:53.000 Empathy by itself neutral could lead you towards kindness, but it can also lead you to cruelty if it is leading you to affirm and validate and support things that are destructive and evil and sinful.

00:09:06.000 And that's exactly what has happened here because people feel so deeply for others they have allowed that feeling to drive them to affirm things that are bad not only for that individual but also the victims on the other side of the moral equation, also society in general.

00:09:21.000 This is true when it comes to immigration, it's true when it comes to social justice, gender, sexuality, abortion, climate.

00:09:27.000 On all of these different issues, Christian compassion is perverted and weaponized against people in order to convince them that the only moral and compassionate position is the progressive. 0.74

00:09:38.000 aggressive one, but love and empathy are not synonymous.

00:09:41.000 Love as we read in 1 Corinthians 13:6 is interwoven with the truth.

00:09:47.000 That's right.

00:09:48.000 Which means that Christians are called to something much better and deeper than toxic empathy.

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00:10:45.000 Ali, I was so positive.

00:10:47.000 The media didn't mention any of it celebrating the fact that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are getting married and we're just so excited about the upcoming marriage.

00:11:00.000 And I was basically outlining what are biblical principles for a marriage straight from scripture.

00:11:07.000 And I said, wives submit to your husbands, as it says repeatedly. 0.96

00:11:12.000 But the second part is also really important.

00:11:14.000 We as husbands must be willing to sacrifice ourselves for our wives as Christ died for the church.

00:11:20.000 That means we must be willing to die for our wives.

00:11:23.000 Of course, nobody in the culture wanted to mention that.

00:11:26.000 Let's play cut 457 as a setup.

00:11:28.000 And then Ali, I'll allow you to respond.

00:11:30.000 Play cut 457.

00:11:32.000 Submit to your husband, you're not in charge?

00:11:34.000 Not in charge of what?

00:11:36.000 As Governor Tim Wall said on the campaign, say it with me, weird.

00:11:40.000 This is just the definition of weird, bizarre, and frankly just deeply disturbing.

00:11:47.000 I think number one, this is bait, and I think we should acknowledge to some degree we're taking the bait here.

00:11:55.000 Any man in the world right now, Travis Kelsey has the right to take a at Charlie Kirk, and I would support that.

00:12:02.000 It would be heroic, really.

00:12:04.000 Oh, submit to your husband, like, what?

00:12:08.000 Like, you have a wife. 0.90

00:12:09.000 Does your wife not hear you say this?

00:12:12.000 Like, I don't get it.

00:12:13.000 Oh, Erica agrees completely.

00:12:15.000 We're going to do a whole podcast on this.

00:12:16.000 Erica thought I was spun on.

00:12:18.000 Allie Beth Stucky, make my argument for me. 1.00

00:12:21.000 Of course, you're talking about Ephesians 5 and other passages.

00:12:24.000 As you said, it's not only one passage.

00:12:27.000 We actually see this throughout Scripture, especially the New Testament, that wives are to submit to our husbands as we submit to the Lord.

00:12:35.000 The husband is supposed to love his wife as Christ loves the church.

00:12:39.000 So there we see so much.

00:12:41.000 We see the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman, but we also see that it is an earthly reflection of an eternal reality of.

00:12:49.000 Christ's marriage to the church, Christ being the groom, the church being the bridegroom. 0.62

00:12:54.000 And as the church submits to Christ as he is our authority, so the wife is to submit to her husband. 0.96

00:13:00.000 That doesn't mean all women submit to all men, but the wife is to submit to her husband because at the end of the day, someone has to be responsible ultimately for the spiritual formation, the sanctification.

00:13:13.000 Of course, the Holy Spirit does that, but that passage says that the husband is also responsible for the sanctification of his wife.

00:13:20.000 He's responsible for the spiritual leadership of his family.

00:13:23.000 He makes major decisions.

00:13:23.000 And let me tell you, as someone who is responsible for the spiritual formation, the sanctification, of course, the Holy Spirit does that.

00:13:26.000 As someone who this September will be married ten years, praise God to someone who has led our family really well.

00:13:32.000 That is a sweet relief for me.

00:13:35.000 I am so glad that I am not the leader of our family.

00:13:38.000 I am so glad that at the end of the day, my husband bears the responsibility of taking our family in the right direction.

00:13:46.000 Now, do we talk about things all the time?

00:13:49.000 Does he consult me because he appreciates my intellect, my wisdom, my decision making, my personality, all these things?

00:13:56.000 Of course, we love each other.

00:13:58.000 But at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, I am going to follow my husband wherever he leads and he is going to love me as Christ loves the church.

00:14:07.000 I'm so glad that I don't bear that burden of having to be the self sacrificial leader of our family, because that is a really hard job.

00:14:16.000 And I think you're right.

00:14:18.000 Taylor Swift, if she is wise, will realize that that is a really sweet relief for women. 0.97

00:14:23.000 And this is very important.

00:14:24.000 It's captain and first mate, not master and slave.

00:14:28.000 My wife, by the way, is texting me right now.

00:14:30.000 She's like, Of course I agree.

00:14:32.000 And I just want to reiterate this.

00:14:33.000 It's not a dehumanizing thing.

00:14:35.000 And also in Colossens it says, We should never be harsh to our wives.

00:14:39.000 Understand, submit does not mean abuse.

00:14:43.000 And this is all done in a voluntary context.

00:14:46.000 And this is the key, young ladies out there, if this bothers you, then do not marry a man that is not worthy of your submission.

00:14:55.000 That's a very important thing.

00:14:57.000 Do not find a man or do not date a man that you possibly would not want to be in that context.

00:15:03.000 Allie, one minute remaining, I might keep you a little bit over. 0.99

00:15:05.000 Why is this a teaching or just a one-liner that has just set the culture ablaze?

00:15:11.000 Why did I I kind of hit a little bit of an open wound.

00:15:14.000 What is that all about?

00:15:15.000 Because we live in a culture that whether or not someone actually affirms what we think of as transgenderism, our culture today is functionally transgender.

00:15:25.000 And what I mean by that is that there is this underlying belief that men and women are the same, that we are essentially interchangeable.

00:15:33.000 We saw this with feminism, we saw this with Obergefell, that women can be men. 0.52

00:15:37.000 And then we, of course, saw that husbands can become wives, that moms can become dads.

00:15:42.000 And so, of course, we have the belief now that men and women are essentially the same in just a matter of, you know, helping someone with synthetic hormones.

00:15:50.000 And so this goes back a long way.

00:15:52.000 In fact, you could argue that it goes all the way back to the garden when Satan tempted Eve with did God really say and encouraged her to take the lead.

00:16:02.000 And Adam's first sin was passivity.

00:16:04.000 This goes all the way back to the garden.

00:16:06.000 It was satanic then.

00:16:07.000 It's satanic now.

00:16:09.000 Satan hates the family.

00:16:11.000 He hates marriage.

00:16:12.000 He hates it for a few reasons.

00:16:14.000 He hates it because it's an earthly reflection of the eternal reality between the marriage of Christ and the church.

00:16:20.000 We see that all of time starts with a marriage and all of time ends with a marriage.

00:16:24.000 It starts with the marriage between Adam and Eve.

00:16:26.000 It ends with the marriage between Christ and his church.

00:16:29.000 All of that is a culmination of the redemption ark that God has been authoring from the beginning.

00:16:34.000 Of course, Satan hates that.

00:16:36.000 He also hates marriage because it produces children.

00:16:39.000 And there are multiple reasons.

00:16:41.000 why Satan hates children, one of the chief ones being that Jesus, the Messiah, the one who is going to trample upon him forever and ever, came as a baby.

00:16:48.000 And Satan in all of his power couldn't even thwart that plan of redeemtion.

00:16:55.000 And so Satan has it out for the nature of marriage and for how marriage is supposed to be as outlined in the Bible.

00:17:02.000 And so, of course, you're going to have a lot of people kind of pushing this deception that marriage is supposed to be this egalitarian thing, and it's not.

00:17:11.000 Why is the church so afraid to say this?

00:17:13.000 And why is it that some Christians were even criticizing me for saying this one line or less emphasis on that.

00:17:21.000 But why is it that the church doesn't teach this?

00:17:24.000 Oh, because a lot of people think they're nicer than God.

00:17:26.000 And a lot of people think they can outnice God, outcompassion God, out love God, that they need to apologize for God, that, oh, we shouldn't be using these clobber verses and God is too harsh about this.

00:17:38.000 But really at the end of the day, if you believe that, that you have to apologize for what the word of God clearly says, which it does say that wives should submit to their husbands among many other things that people find controversial, then that is self idolatry.

00:17:51.000 You are elevating yourself to a place that is holier and better and wiser than God.

00:17:56.000 That's a very dangerous place to be.

00:17:58.000 But you have the privilege, Christian, especially pastor as a Christian, to simply rely on the word of God for his clarity.

00:18:05.000 You don't have to apologize for it.

00:18:07.000 You don't have to caveat it.

00:18:08.000 If God said it, it's the most loving thing that we can do to agree with it.

00:18:12.000 Allie Beth Stucky is incredible.

00:18:14.000 And I just want to, look, I'm pretty good at branding.

00:18:17.000 I think your next book needs to be called Niser Than God.

00:18:20.000 I don't know.

00:18:21.000 I just, I'm just saying, I think you need to have a new book called Niser Than God by Allie B. Stucky.

00:18:26.000 I think it would be a bestseller.

00:18:28.000 Final thoughts here, though, Allie.

00:18:30.000 Do you think there's also something, a fact that like Taylor Swift is this strong, independent woman and that I'm not allowed to say.

00:18:40.000 I mean, what is the cultural sensitivity around this was remarkable.

00:18:45.000 I couldn't care less.

00:18:46.000 The backlash makes me laugh because everything I said was right.

00:18:49.000 But is there a deeper component to this that we might be missing?

00:18:53.000 Final thoughts, Ali, be stucky. 0.98

00:18:55.000 Yeah, probably so.

00:18:56.000 I mean, she has been the leader of her life and of many people for a long time.

00:19:00.000 First of all, she needs to repent of her unbelief and become a Christian.

00:19:03.000 That would be the greatest start.

00:19:05.000 And then, of course, hopefully, the right marriage and the right relationship with children and all of that will come into play.

00:19:11.000 I do just want to say if women are looking for something different, if they're not getting the kind of encouragement and apologetics and theology that they need or even if they are and they need more of that.

00:19:21.000 I do have a Christian Women's Conference coming up in Dallas, Texas on October 11.

00:19:26.000 Taylor Swift will not be present.

00:19:28.000 We'll have Francesca Battistelli and all other kinds of Christian women leaders who are so awesome. 1.00

00:19:33.000 So go to sharethearrows.com if you are a Christian woman coming up October 11 in Dallas, Texas.

00:19:39.000 I'd love to see you there.

00:19:40.000 That's a shared arrows.

00:19:41.000 Is that what?

00:19:42.000 What's the website?

00:19:43.000 Share the arrows.

00:19:44.000 Share the arrows.

00:19:45.000 It does kind of sound like the arrows tour.

00:19:47.000 It's the arrows.

00:19:48.000 I was going to say, is that like a Taylor Swift thing?

00:19:50.000 I don't know.

00:19:50.000 It's like it's not, it's not at all.

00:19:53.000 So opposite of Taylor slip sex.

00:19:55.000 Is that eras?

00:19:56.000 Eras?

00:19:57.000 Got it.

00:19:58.000 Ali be stucky. 1.00

00:19:59.000 Wonderful.

00:19:59.000 Thank you so much.

00:20:00.000 Thanks so much, Charlie.

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00:20:06.000 By the way, Eric and I are going to do a long form podcast all about this very topic.

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00:21:28.000 Dr. Arn, great to see you.

00:21:30.000 Thank you so much for taking the time.

00:21:32.000 Dr. Arn, I want to ask you an open-ended question.

00:21:34.000 We have time to explore this together, and you are a great teacher of mine and a mentor of mine, but it's a question that has been raging throughout the internet.

00:21:43.000 The question is, what is an American?

00:21:46.000 Dr. Arn, what is an American?

00:21:48.000 Well, it's a first of all, an American is a wonderful and unique thing because our country is wonderful and unique.

00:21:57.000 And there are two things that make it so.

00:22:00.000 One is it started with some principles that had never been adopted before.

00:22:05.000 They claim to be eternal principles.

00:22:08.000 And they claim to establish that we have a nature, that we are created, that we have rights under that nature, and that we all have them.

00:22:18.000 kings and commoners alike.

00:22:20.000 And that had never happened before.

00:22:23.000 Those principles, by the way, are unthinkable in the ancient world and what intervened to change that, make them necessary, was the birth of Jesus Christ.

00:22:34.000 Because now you're going to have a Savior for everyone on earth but you have to come to him voluntarily and so many people who came to this country came to escape religious persecution and they figured out how not to do that so that's the first thing something unprecedented something eternal but never adopted before The second thing is our experience on this land.

00:23:00.000 The founders were very taken with the continent, not until Lewis and Clark in the first decade of the 19th century, did they know how big the continent was?

00:23:12.000 Have any direct report of it?

00:23:14.000 But they knew it was big and they knew they could carve a life out for it.

00:23:19.000 So Americans are the greatest builders on Earth.

00:23:22.000 And, you know, Elon Musk and Palmer Lucky and Alex Carp are lately, I think, the pillar of American national defense because they're builders.

00:23:33.000 They just do it on their own and they think it up and they do it.

00:23:36.000 And so it's the experience we have.

00:23:39.000 We brought everything from Europe when we came over, knowledge, books.

00:23:45.000 We didn't bring the aristocracy and we got a new land and we got to settle it. 0.96

00:23:51.000 And we're still like that, I think.

00:23:53.000 And that's what politics is about today, by the way.

00:23:56.000 Are we like that or are we past that now?

00:24:00.000 Are we going to adopt the old way, which is some aristocracy telling us how to live our lives?

00:24:07.000 And that's what the political fights are about today.

00:24:10.000 But America is, you know, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln both called it the last best hope of mankind on Earth.

00:24:19.000 And it is still that today.

00:24:21.000 So, so, doctor, allow me to ask a little bit more of a boundary pushing question.

00:24:28.000 Let's just take a kid right now in Beijing.

00:24:30.000 He has a U.S. passport because his mom flew over when she was eight months pregnant, landed in San Francisco, and was born in a San Francisco hospital.

00:24:40.000 He got a citizenship certificate, and then his mom flew back to Beijing, and he is being raised in China.

00:24:47.000 He is a U.S. citizen, even though he's never been raised here.

00:24:51.000 doesn't go to our schools, doesn't know the national anthem, but because his mom came here and he is basically an anchor baby, is this kid in China?

00:24:59.000 Is he an American just because he has his paperwork?

00:25:02.000 No.

00:25:04.000 And there's a the source of that confusion comes from a common law tradition, you know, the English common law, which grew up over a very long time under the institution of kingship.

00:25:17.000 And that argument was, if you're born on the king's territory, you're a subject of the king.

00:25:22.000 So you're not a citizen, you're a subject. 0.73

00:25:25.000 And so if you're born there, he claims you.

00:25:29.000 America is something different.

00:25:31.000 America is government by consent.

00:25:34.000 And so America requires a set of practices and beliefs.

00:25:38.000 In principle, they make every one of us.

00:25:40.000 us a ruler of the country, but we have to be dutiful in that.

00:25:46.000 We have to qualify ourselves for that.

00:25:47.000 We have to learn what that is and requires.

00:25:51.000 So the idea of automatic citizenship in America is a corruption which has an older root in a different kind of nation or regime and which has modern liberalism behind it because what it wants to do is destroy all the national boundaries.

00:26:10.000 And then, and if you do that, by the way, it's just a logical fact, you destroy the consent of the govern government, you have to have a people.

00:26:22.000 And if the government gets to say who the people are, and if it's anybody who by any accident, including birth here, can claim some connection to the country, and they can make them a citizen because of that, then all of a sudden the government is in control of who the people are, and then the people are not in a position to give their consent.

00:26:43.000 So, doctor, as we bring newcomers to this country, immigrants of which we've brought way too many in the last couple of years, what should our expectations be of newcomers? 1.00

00:26:53.000 What should the what should we expect?

00:26:55.000 What should their obligations and their duties be to then become an American?

00:27:00.000 I feel as if we have no expectations for newcomers.

00:27:04.000 In fact, we have the opposite.

00:27:05.000 We have they have entitlement when many of them come here.

00:27:09.000 The question I suppose I have is what should the agreed upon ideal criteria be of when someone is able to prove that they become an American citizen or an American part of this incredible republic?

00:27:24.000 You know, the principles and practices for that are in place right now.

00:27:29.000 They're just ignored.

00:27:32.000 The way you get naturalized, that's an interesting word, by the way.

00:27:36.000 That word nature comes from the Latin word for birth.

00:27:40.000 And to be naturalized is to be, you're made to have born here now, like that. 0.98

00:27:50.000 If you become a citizen, well, how do you do it?

00:27:51.000 You got to work for a time, years.

00:27:54.000 You have to obey the law and you have to pass a test.

00:27:58.000 And the test is about what the country is, how it's governed, how it works.

00:28:02.000 And so that in principle, anybody can do that.

00:28:07.000 that any race any place anybody now in practice because we have the right to and the duty to decide how many, right?

00:28:23.000 Wide open is one choice.

00:28:25.000 We've made that at various times in our past.

00:28:28.000 Never continuously.

00:28:30.000 And then more restricted is a choice.

00:28:33.000 But whether wide open or more restricted, the way to become a citizen is to adopt the practices and beliefs of America and demonstrate that.

00:28:42.000 There are some good bills that have been in the Congress lately and passed.

00:28:48.000 Who knows what Donald Trump will get done because whatever it is, if he decides to do it, he might get it done.

00:28:54.000 But there should be a test, right?

00:29:01.000 One of the bills, I think Senator Cotton and some others were behind it.

00:29:06.000 It says, clean record, speak the language, work, not be so old that you can't contribute.

00:29:16.000 Senator Cotton said to me one time, you're too old, you wouldn't get in.

00:29:19.000 I said, it's okay, I'm already in.

00:29:21.000 And then...

00:29:36.000 We're ignoring two things.

00:29:37.000 One is the right of the people in the interest of the country that they govern to decide how many is the right number.

00:29:46.000 And of course we have that right.

00:29:48.000 If you read the Declaration of Independence in the middle, there are these charges against the king.

00:29:53.000 And one of them is the king had made everybody mad because he gave a new constitution to Quebec.

00:30:00.000 and which was not part of the original 13 colonies.

00:30:05.000 And apparently they put up with it.

00:30:07.000 He gave them a constitution he liked better.

00:30:09.000 And then he expanded its borderers southwards.

00:30:12.000 And that made everybody mad, right?

00:30:14.000 Because he's taken our territory and he's setting it up to govern the way he wants, not the way the people who live on it want. 0.89

00:30:24.000 So yeah, you can't do that.

00:30:26.000 That's an abnegation of the principles of the nation.

00:30:30.000 And I want to repeat, it's the interplay of the principles of the nation and this experience we have of settling this continent.

00:30:40.000 And think about that experience, right?

00:30:43.000 The kind of government we set up in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution is simply unprecedented.

00:30:49.000 And what we did through many trials was we extended that way of government all the way across the country, the continent, in the beginning not knowing how big the continent was, in the beginning naming the army that won the Revolutionary War the Continental Army, and all of the new places came in with the same rights and the same representation as the original 13.

00:31:14.000 Now that's an amazingly generous act.

00:31:18.000 and a service to the principle of equality that was fabulous.

00:31:23.000 But you can only serve those principles if you live.

00:31:27.000 the life to serve those principles because they carry the duties of citizenship with them.

00:31:32.000 Yeah, I I agree with all of that.

00:31:34.000 And I'm in favor right now of an immigration moratorium. 0.99

00:31:37.000 I've said that.

00:31:37.000 We've had a very big meal.

00:31:39.000 It's time to digest that meal.

00:31:40.000 And we've had a huge influx of people coming into America.

00:31:45.000 What would you say is lacking from the dialogue on the discussion of what is an American and immigration?

00:31:52.000 And what are some of the pitfalls that we as conservatives should avoid?

00:31:55.000 Because you've been around these debates multiple times for the last couple of decades on the American right.

00:32:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:01.000 Well, we have to understand, you know, I mean, first of all, you know, you and I get on well with the Trump administration.

00:32:10.000 And he loves the country.

00:32:11.000 He must have a big celebration of the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.

00:32:16.000 The final cause of America is stated in that beautiful document.

00:32:20.000 We should understand that document.

00:32:21.000 We should understand that it is, as Lincoln called it, the father of all moral principle in us.

00:32:27.000 It's the reason we can be Americans.

00:32:29.000 We should also understand our unique experience and what it calls us to do today, which is to govern this country in freedom, to make it strong and to be a light but not a ruler of the world.

00:32:48.000 And all of that, that's the founding fathers talking there.

00:32:51.000 That's exactly how they thought.

00:32:53.000 And we're having a public, you know, America's going through a major political trauma, right?

00:33:00.000 Are we going to be governed bureaucratically as spread all over the world?

00:33:05.000 Or are we going to be governed as free people?

00:33:07.000 That's what the fight's about.

00:33:09.000 And if we understand what it is to be governed as a free people and live as a free people, we can preserve that.

00:33:14.000 And only we are in a position to do that.

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00:34:22.000 Dr. Arn, how are things going at America's Greatest College?

00:34:24.000 Give us a little bit of a status update.

00:34:26.000 Our audience takes the courses, some of which our audience donates as they should.

00:34:30.000 Some have kids or grandkids at Hillsdale College.

00:34:33.000 Give us a little status update from Hillsdale College.

00:34:37.000 Well, we're in the middle of the happiest two weeks.

00:34:41.000 of the year.

00:34:42.000 Last week we got ready for this barbarian horde to show up and this week they're here. 0.70

00:34:47.000 We had classes to start yesterday.

00:34:50.000 I've been able to eat in the dining hall three days this week.

00:34:52.000 It's my favorite sport and the freshmen are wiggly and nervous and smart and going to work hard or we're going to have to shoot them.

00:35:03.000 It's vibrant and thriving right now.

00:35:05.000 It's a big construction project.

00:35:08.000 We're building a beautiful library.

00:35:10.000 We're expanding our library and it's going to look in the Hillsdale was started in 1844 and we built a beautiful building, Central Hall in 1852.

00:35:21.000 And then in the 60s and 70s, we built some 60s and 70s architecture.

00:35:27.000 And four years from today, that will all be covered up or destroyed.

00:35:31.000 And it'll be a classical looking place as it is a classical being place.

00:35:38.000 So yeah, the college is thriving right now.

00:35:40.000 You have a lot to do with that.

00:35:41.000 You are a force of nature, Charlie Kirk.

00:35:44.000 I just watched that little clip of you talking on college campuses.

00:35:47.000 And darn, aren't you good at it?

00:35:50.000 So you've learned a lot and there's a movement going on in America and we're involved.

00:35:57.000 in it.

00:35:58.000 And that movement is to learn better, which means to learn the stuff we used to know.

00:36:04.000 That's what we do here.

00:36:05.000 And it's coming right along smartly.

00:36:08.000 Well, I'm touched by those words, doctor Arn, and Hillsdale is the cutting edge, and I mean it.

00:36:13.000 It is America's greatest college.

00:36:15.000 What are you seeing with the new students coming into Hillsdale?

00:36:19.000 I'm, I hate to ask, are they getting smarter, but I'm sure they're getting more impressive.

00:36:23.000 Are you seeing a change in the questions of the worldview?

00:36:26.000 Are they becoming more Christian?

00:36:28.000 Because you spend a lot of time, as you say, right there at the dining table.

00:36:31.000 What are you seeing on the front lines?

00:36:33.000 Well, it's a overwhelmingly Christian college.

00:36:37.000 Almost everybody.

00:36:39.000 We've never in 182 years required a faith statement to attend the college.

00:36:44.000 Our official doctrine is mere Christianity.

00:36:46.000 That is to say, we got our Catholics and we got our Protestants and we got our Orthodox and we got every kind of Protestant.

00:36:52.000 And we talk about that.

00:36:54.000 I like to say we have the arguments of the Reformation going on all the time here, not the wars of the Reformation.

00:37:02.000 There is a prayer service on every floor and wing of every dormitory every day.

00:37:09.000 And we have a beautiful chapel and we use it a lot and we have a wonderful sacred music program.

00:37:15.000 So it's a very Christian.

00:37:17.000 place.

00:37:18.000 The original purpose of the college is stated in the first sentence to be civil and religious freedom and intelligent piety.

00:37:28.000 Christianity is a thing to be understood.

00:37:31.000 And to understand it fully as fully as humanly you can, you have to understand the laws of nature and nature's God.

00:37:39.000 And therefore, there's a really big core curriculum where you have to study everything from physics to philosophy and theology.

00:37:47.000 And everybody studies.

00:37:50.000 We're always in the top three in the country in percentage of math majors.

00:37:55.000 We have a hot mathematics department, physics too, chemistry too, biology too.

00:37:59.000 And so you study everything here and you try to turn it into an integrity of understanding that can help you know what you are defined in relation to the beast below and God above.

00:38:13.000 So that's the activity and that's why it's so consuming and challenging and it's growing.

00:38:22.000 I mean, I, you know, it's the student body has grown about sixty percent since I've been here.

00:38:26.000 It's still a small college and always will be, but it's a vibrant place.

00:38:33.000 You've been here.

00:38:33.000 You'll be coming back too.

00:38:35.000 One of these days, probably accumulated, I'm going to give you an honorary degree, Charlie Kirk.

00:38:41.000 It's a commitment.

00:38:42.000 Well, that would be quite, that would be the honor of my life, but I got a lot more learning yet to do.

00:38:47.000 I have to be able to pass your Aristotle course.

00:38:50.000 And I say this, the Hillsdale courses have changed my life, and the more I take, the more I learn.

00:38:56.000 And the, it is, as you have taught me, Dr. Arn.

00:39:00.000 Aristotle wrote that all men seek to know.

00:39:04.000 And I find that when I go to these college campuses, that students deep down, they want to know.

00:39:09.000 And it's time that we teach them something.

00:39:11.000 And so, Dr. Arn, God bless you.

00:39:13.000 Thank you for your contribution to this country.

00:39:15.000 Wonderful as always.

00:39:16.000 Everyone should take the online courses at charlieforhillsdale.com.

00:39:20.000 Dr. Arn, thank you so much.

00:39:21.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:39:22.000 It's great.

00:39:23.000 Phenomenal.

00:39:23.000 I can't say enough good stuff about Hillsdale.

00:39:25.000 I mean, when you visit there, you just see it.

00:39:26.000 It is just the energy, the professionalism, the patriotism, and the wisdom of the students is remarkable.

00:39:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:39:36.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:39:38.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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