The Charlie Kirk Show - The BIG Hydroxychloroquine Lie, Hypnotized by Dr. Fauci, a Medical Deep State, AND MORE with Dr. Simone Gold

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00:00:09.000 What a special episode today with Dr. Simone Gold.

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00:00:14.000 We talk about masks.

00:00:15.000 We talk about hydroxychloroquine.

00:00:18.000 We talk about Dr. Burks.

00:00:19.000 We talk about lockdowns.

00:00:22.000 If you think you know what's going on with the Chinese coronavirus, think again.

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00:03:02.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:06.000 I am joined by Dr. Simone Gold.

00:03:09.000 You are an emergency physician.

00:03:11.000 Yes.

00:03:12.000 You are a board-certified doctor.

00:03:14.000 You're also an attorney.

00:03:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:18.000 Thank you.

00:03:19.000 And first, you have some opinions about the Chinese coronavirus.

00:03:25.000 Let's first just kind of establish your credibility and your experience in medicine.

00:03:33.000 Hey, thank you so much, Charlie.

00:03:34.000 I'm really happy to be here.

00:03:35.000 Like you said, I'm a board-certified emergency physician.

00:03:38.000 I've been practicing for almost 20 years, and I am also an attorney.

00:03:42.000 And I always say, please don't hold that against me.

00:03:45.000 But I do think it gives me kind of a unique perspective into what's going on right now.

00:03:49.000 We really do have a medical issue, but we have a legal crisis.

00:03:52.000 And I am motivated to speak out because I'm on the front line seeing patients in the middle of this pandemic.

00:03:58.000 And I've been very distressed at how we're handling this as a country on many levels.

00:04:03.000 So let's start there.

00:04:06.000 There's been, I mean, I've been very outspoken against the lockdown measures.

00:04:09.000 I believe there is more to the story than they are telling us, that the numbers that they are presenting to us are misleading at best, that the statistics that they are using as far as cases and deaths are very questionable.

00:04:21.000 And Dr. Burks has gone as far as to say that.

00:04:25.000 As you look at the landscape right now of the virus and the communications around the virus, what are a couple things that you say that is not true?

00:04:34.000 That bothers you the most?

00:04:36.000 I'll flip that around in here and I'll say, what is true?

00:04:40.000 Okay.

00:04:41.000 Yeah.

00:04:41.000 There's almost nothing that's been reported that's true.

00:04:44.000 Go further.

00:04:45.000 Okay.

00:04:46.000 So, for example, people are led to believe that this is a highly lethal disease, and it's not.

00:04:51.000 People are talking about school closures, which is completely not supported by the science.

00:04:56.000 There's actually no evidence that children transmit this to adults, and very little that adults, when they transmit it to children, that the children get sick.

00:05:03.000 Anybody can go to data.cdc.gov and they can check the age of the patients, the people who get COVID and who die for children is very, very low.

00:05:11.000 It's almost zero.

00:05:13.000 It's much riskier to have influenza as a child.

00:05:16.000 Much riskier.

00:05:17.000 Much riskier to have the flu.

00:05:18.000 It's much riskier to have influenza if you're under age 24 and even under age 60 as long as you're healthy than to have COVID.

00:05:26.000 Now that sounds shocking to you.

00:05:28.000 I can see the expression on your face.

00:05:29.000 So let me say that again.

00:05:31.000 If you're under age 60 without comorbid conditions, 60, 6-0.

00:05:35.000 6-0, your odds of dying from influenza are higher than the odds of dying from COVID-19.

00:05:41.000 So let's just start there.

00:05:42.000 Is that okay?

00:05:42.000 Absolutely.

00:05:43.000 So you're trying to tell me that under the age of 60 with no, let's say, underlying, major underlying health conditions.

00:05:49.000 Is that fair?

00:05:50.000 Correct.

00:05:50.000 The flu is more dangerous to you.

00:05:52.000 Correct.

00:05:53.000 Influenza is more lethal than COVID-19 for people who are under 60 without serious comorbid conditions such as diabetes, coronary artery disease, obesity, et cetera.

00:06:07.000 So we're hearing all about new cases, new cases, new cases.

00:06:11.000 And some people say, well, deaths are going up in certain states.

00:06:15.000 Is that the whole picture?

00:06:17.000 So the word cases is a misnomer.

00:06:21.000 What a case really is, is a positive test result.

00:06:24.000 So it's a little yes or no on a slip of paper.

00:06:27.000 This is not a normal way to judge viral infections, right?

00:06:31.000 Well, correct.

00:06:32.000 It's not.

00:06:33.000 When people are talking about cases, really, from my perspective as a physician, what they're saying is that this human being presented themselves, they had a blood test or they had a nasal swab and they had a yes result on that.

00:06:44.000 It doesn't at all mean that they're necessarily sick.

00:06:47.000 In fact, when you go back and look, it turns out lots and lots of people, in fact, the overwhelming majority, were either asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic.

00:06:54.000 So those are all being counted as cases.

00:06:56.000 And there's other problems with quote-unquote case reports, case numbers.

00:07:00.000 But first of all, don't think in terms of cases as a coughing, febrile individual.

00:07:04.000 Think of cases as a positive test result on a slip of paper.

00:07:08.000 So they say cases are going up because we're doing more testing.

00:07:12.000 Has there been any fraud or let's just say misleading indicators with testing, people getting results that they actually didn't get tested?

00:07:18.000 So I really want to emphasize that you should not look at total quote-unquote cases.

00:07:21.000 You should look at mortality rates because the case rate has so many elements that are inaccurate to it.

00:07:27.000 First of all, was this test done?

00:07:30.000 We have tons of people all over the internet saying that they signed up for tests, they didn't take a test, then they got notified that the test was possible.

00:07:37.000 I know four people this happened to.

00:07:38.000 Yeah.

00:07:39.000 And an activist media member said, I'm a liar and a conspiracy theorist.

00:07:44.000 I know four people.

00:07:45.000 Oh, no, I do as well.

00:07:46.000 I do as well.

00:07:46.000 And I know some doctors it happened to where they ordered the test for the patient, but the patient didn't get the test because the line was long and they got a positive test result.

00:07:54.000 And the patient said, I never went for the test.

00:07:55.000 You know what's interesting?

00:07:56.000 I've never heard of anyone get a negative test result for that.

00:07:58.000 Right, we've never had a negative test result.

00:08:00.000 For that, for that circumstance, right?

00:08:02.000 That's true.

00:08:03.000 There's always a good callback that it's a positive.

00:08:05.000 Oh, yeah, the fake tests happen to be in the positive direction.

00:08:08.000 Yeah.

00:08:08.000 So.

00:08:09.000 But in addition to that, in addition to the case, some states are reporting cases that the people weren't tested.

00:08:14.000 So, for example, you might, some states are reporting that if one person is positive, but they live in a home with three or four other people or they're in a close environment with other people and they have any kind of symptoms such as cough or anything mild, they are also counted as positives.

00:08:27.000 That's an error in the case report.

00:08:28.000 There's another error in the case report, which is people often get tested multiple times.

00:08:33.000 And those are counted as unique as unique cases.

00:08:37.000 So the number is way more inflated than it's very inflated.

00:08:40.000 And I don't want anyone to think that this isn't a real disease.

00:08:43.000 It is.

00:08:44.000 But the case number is completely unreliable.

00:08:47.000 Irrelevant.

00:08:48.000 So, but the mortality rates are, they say, going up in certain states.

00:08:54.000 So I want to stress that we have to put everything into context.

00:08:58.000 So viruses have pre-existed humans.

00:09:00.000 They will probably outlive humans.

00:09:02.000 We coexist with viruses for centuries.

00:09:06.000 So there is going to be a little ebb and flow with the mortality rate.

00:09:10.000 But when you go to cdc.gov and you look at the numbers, the people who are not.

00:09:14.000 I mean, I believe those numbers, but you know.

00:09:16.000 Right.

00:09:16.000 And I'll tell you from my direct experience as a physician and reading all the journals: the patients who are getting sick enough to die overwhelmingly have serious medical problems, overwhelmingly.

00:09:28.000 And I would be negligent if I didn't talk about the nursing home situation.

00:09:31.000 Part of the reason I've gone public is because we're talking about schools, for example, but we've had no problem, apparently, the governors of certain states of letting old, sick, frail people die.

00:09:41.000 This is a scandal.

00:09:43.000 I'm going to explain that more, though.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:09:45.000 So I would be watching the coronavirus task force, and there were certain governors of certain states back east who every day would talk about the issue.

00:09:54.000 And he would actually say, we have to protect our most vulnerable.

00:09:57.000 We have to protect our nursing home patients and our sick patients.

00:10:00.000 And then one day, very shockingly, he made an executive decision to send nursing home patients who were known positive back to the nursing home.

00:10:09.000 On top of that, he told the nursing homes you couldn't even ask about their COVID status.

00:10:14.000 So patients who were in the hospital for COVID, who survived, then were sent back to the nursing home to then go with other nursing home patients, most of whom got sick and many, many who died.

00:10:24.000 There's no question that the deaths in New York and other states like Pennsylvania were pushed to such high numbers due to these nursing home deaths.

00:10:32.000 It's a crime, in my opinion.

00:10:34.000 A crime.

00:10:34.000 And I think 56% of all deaths nationwide have been nursing home related.

00:10:38.000 Huge.

00:10:38.000 So the number I always remember off the top of my head, you know, in Pennsylvania, the Secretary of Health of Pennsylvania, Dr. Rachel Levine, something like 67% of the patients who died of COVID-19 in her state were sister-living or nursing home patients.

00:10:51.000 And what's really egregious is she stood before her Pennsylvania legislative body and said it was safe.

00:10:56.000 And then she took her mother out of her own assisted living facility.

00:11:00.000 Of course.

00:11:01.000 So her mother's protected, but not all the other patients.

00:11:04.000 I want to reiterate: as a doctor, a person who cares deeply for people, this is an absolute homicide, in my opinion.

00:11:10.000 Emergency physician, board-certified doctor, do you support re-locking down these states?

00:11:15.000 There should not have been a lockdown in the first place, and there definitely should not be a lockdown now.

00:11:19.000 Why should there not have been a lockdown in the first place?

00:11:22.000 Well, there's really no evidence that it's going to change the overall incidence of death, right?

00:11:28.000 So we have to put everything into context.

00:11:30.000 So back in 1968 and 1969, there was something called the Hong Kong flu.

00:11:33.000 And the Hong Kong flu was a big deal.

00:11:37.000 And about 100,000 people died during the Hong Kong flu.

00:11:41.000 That would translate, be equivalent to about 150 to 175,000 COVID today due to our, we have an older population, more dense population, and a less physically active population, obese.

00:11:52.000 So our number of 150,000 to 175,000, which we're not even at yet, happened in 1968 and 69.

00:12:01.000 This is the same time Woodstock happened.

00:12:03.000 So the New York Times has a headline, 100,000 people are dying from Hong Kong flu.

00:12:07.000 I didn't see any headline that said the Woodstock Festival was canceled.

00:12:11.000 So I don't understand this.

00:12:12.000 We can't go into a nail salon with three people, but you can have Woodstock.

00:12:16.000 So let's put things in perspective.

00:12:18.000 And so, and I don't, I don't even, do you think that some of these numbers are dying with or dying because of the Chinese coronavirus?

00:12:18.000 Yes.

00:12:26.000 Do you think that there's any wisdom to that?

00:12:27.000 There's no doubt as a board-certified emergency physician that I can attest to personally from things I've personally seen, as well as my colleagues, that absolutely you're writing COVID-19 on death certificates as a cause when it's not accurate.

00:12:41.000 I refer all of your viewers to an unbelievable video by Dr. Scott Jensen, who's a state senator in, I believe, Minnesota.

00:12:49.000 He also is a well-regarded, very well-respected family practitioner.

00:12:54.000 He actually got, I think, Minnesota Family Doctor of the Year.

00:12:56.000 So this is a very well-regarded.

00:12:57.000 He put out a video about two weeks ago about the inaccuracies on the death certificate.

00:13:02.000 The reason it's such a problem for doctors is that's one of the areas you have to be incredibly precise.

00:13:06.000 You can't be fooling around with the death certificate.

00:13:08.000 There's all kinds of legal implications.

00:13:10.000 So you have to watch that video.

00:13:11.000 Dr. Scott Jensen.

00:13:11.000 It's incredible.

00:13:12.000 So you think that the number might not be even as high as they say it is?

00:13:16.000 I don't think I know.

00:13:17.000 You know?

00:13:17.000 I know that the number's not as high as they say it is.

00:13:19.000 That's like indisputable.

00:13:21.000 What percentage do you do you think?

00:13:22.000 That's speculation, but I mean, just pure speculation, I think it's probably off by 20 or 30%.

00:13:27.000 That's incredible.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, I think it's off by probably about 20%.

00:13:30.000 Even out of the ones that are legitimate deaths, they're mostly elderly with underlying health conditions.

00:13:34.000 Yeah, so let's say I've got a person who's got underlying coronary artery disease and congestive heart failure, and he also has COVID, right?

00:13:40.000 He could certainly die, but let's put this in perspective.

00:13:43.000 My father is a doctor.

00:13:44.000 I've been in medicine really because of him all of my life.

00:13:46.000 And he had an old expression, which is, pneumonia is an old man's best friend.

00:13:51.000 What that means is pneumonia is one of the ways that we exit this world.

00:13:55.000 So if you have coronary artery disease and diabetes and your kidneys are failing and you get COVID, you're probably going to die.

00:14:02.000 That is being written down as a COVID death.

00:14:04.000 But all those other comorbid conditions meant you were very likely to die within the next few months anyway.

00:14:09.000 Yes.

00:14:10.000 And you have no immune system to speak of anyway.

00:14:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:12.000 And just pneumonia is an old man's best friend. 1.00

00:14:15.000 COVID doesn't really change that. 1.00

00:14:16.000 Is this virus more infectious than other viruses we've dealt with?

00:14:19.000 It is a great question.

00:14:21.000 So I do think it is.

00:14:23.000 It's a hard question to answer.

00:14:24.000 It's not a simple question.

00:14:25.000 But yeah, it is a bit more infectious, contagious, I would say.

00:14:29.000 However, keep in mind, overwhelmingly, people don't get sick or they get very mildly sick.

00:14:33.000 Overwhelmingly.

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00:15:16.000 So can people who are asymptomatic transmit it? 0.94

00:15:19.000 So one of the biggest myths of this whole situation has been the myth of the asymptomatic super spreader. 0.93

00:15:26.000 Yes, that's the reason they shut everything down. 0.97

00:15:28.000 Yeah, so that's.

00:15:29.000 That's one of the biggest, if you can debunk that.

00:15:31.000 Yeah.

00:15:32.000 So it's sort of like looking for Bigfoot, right?

00:15:34.000 It's hard to prove that Bigfoot doesn't exist, except there's no actual evidence of it, right?

00:15:39.000 So there's been lots of studies that have debunked the concept of the asymptomatic spreader.

00:15:43.000 I can leave them.

00:15:44.000 I don't give links on your show, but we can link them.

00:15:46.000 Yes, and they can email us, freedom at charliekirk.com, and we'll respond with that.

00:15:49.000 Lots of studies.

00:15:50.000 Want to say not to bore everybody with the details, but there's lots of studies that have shown they'll have studies where they'll have six children, six adults, they contact trace 1,155 people, none of them converted, none of them tested positive.

00:16:00.000 So, do you understand what I'm saying?

00:16:02.000 Six children, six adults, none out of 1,155 tested positive.

00:16:07.000 Yes.

00:16:07.000 So, therefore, the only way you could spread is through being symptomatic.

00:16:12.000 So, to take a step back from COVID for a minute, the way viruses spread in general is a day or two before you really get symptomatic, you're pretty contagious, and then the first few days of symptoms, you're pretty contagious.

00:16:24.000 So, I wouldn't think that COVID-19 is really any different than that.

00:16:27.000 So, I would say that you're contagious, right, very contagious right in the beginning.

00:16:31.000 And the best thing to do in general with all viruses is not to touch your nasal, your nostrils, right?

00:16:37.000 Because that's how viruses overwhelmingly enter our body.

00:16:40.000 That's one of my problems with the masks: is that really in general, all of your life, you shouldn't touch your nostrils, but the mask is making people touch the face all the time, right?

00:16:51.000 That's what I think is really kind of funny because viruses get in through the nostrils.

00:16:54.000 So, is it more contagious?

00:16:56.000 It's a hard question to answer.

00:16:58.000 Are you a fan of the masks? 1.00

00:17:00.000 Well, masks are really foolish. 0.99

00:17:02.000 They don't do anything. 0.98

00:17:03.000 Again, I will link you to several studies.

00:17:05.000 I did a little op-ed in USA. 0.94

00:17:06.000 Masks don't do anything.

00:17:07.000 We're told by everybody, wear a mask, wear a mask.

00:17:08.000 I wear a mask.

00:17:09.000 American Airlines are going to kick me off because I don't wear masks.

00:17:11.000 Yeah, so, you know, we have a really big civil liberties problem in this country with the whole mask issue.

00:17:16.000 I don't talk about masks so much because the question people are asking when it comes to masks is really a deep existential philosophical question, which is, am I going to be okay?

00:17:27.000 That's the question they're asking.

00:17:28.000 And you really can't answer that when you give them the data.

00:17:31.000 But if you're asking me as a scientist, do the masks work?

00:17:33.000 Well, the size of the virus and the size of the pores in the mask, about 200 to 1,000 times different, right?

00:17:40.000 So the virus is much tinier than the pores in a mask.

00:17:43.000 So of course it doesn't work.

00:17:45.000 According to other doctors I've talked to, limits oxygen flow.

00:17:49.000 So I've seen the same thing.

00:17:51.000 And I don't go down that path.

00:17:55.000 I just, I don't.

00:17:56.000 Do you think it would weaken our immune system potentially?

00:17:59.000 I think it's very harmful from a civil libertarian perspective that we're living in America and we're telling people to do something that makes no sense.

00:18:07.000 Psychologically, too.

00:18:08.000 It's changing our society.

00:18:08.000 It's very harmful.

00:18:10.000 It's changing our society.

00:18:11.000 I'm not a fan of the masks at all.

00:18:12.000 Well, there's no scientific.

00:18:13.000 Well, I will say for sure, there's zero scientific justification for the mask.

00:18:16.000 Zero scientific.

00:18:17.000 Zero scientific justification is for the mask.

00:18:21.000 Makes people feel better?

00:18:22.000 I think it's hashtag social conditioning.

00:18:23.000 And let me get back to that.

00:18:25.000 Does it make people feel better? 0.99

00:18:27.000 So we scientists know that the masks are really quite foolish. 0.94

00:18:30.000 So the New England Journal of Medicine just had a letter to the editor, I think it was a letter to the editor about a month ago.

00:18:35.000 And they were talking about the usefulness of the mask, and it goes through the pros and the cons.

00:18:39.000 But the end was really shocking.

00:18:41.000 The end said, well, having looked at all of it, it's clear that they don't really work.

00:18:45.000 But, you know, anxiety and fear are big issues.

00:18:49.000 And this is maybe one of the better ways to address anxiety and fear.

00:18:52.000 And I was very distressed that a scientific journal capitulated so completely.

00:18:57.000 In other words, in the New England Journal of Medicine, they're saying that the masks don't really work.

00:19:01.000 And yet they said maybe we should do them just to calm the fear and anxiety of the American public.

00:19:05.000 Do you think science and medicine have been now politicized?

00:19:09.000 So this has been a big heartbreak for me as a physician to see how terribly politicized medicine has become.

00:19:15.000 Remember, I started this journey because I was prescribing hydroxychloroquine for a patient, and I got severely reprimanded for it at my hospital.

00:19:24.000 Wait, so you're an emergency physician doctor.

00:19:27.000 You wanted what was best for your patients.

00:19:29.000 You saw a drug that has been around for quite a long time.

00:19:33.000 65 years, FDA approved.

00:19:34.000 FDA approved.

00:19:36.000 We'll get into the efficacy.

00:19:37.000 We'll get into all that in a second.

00:19:39.000 But you knew what was best.

00:19:41.000 And the way medicine works, it's individual doctors helping individual patients.

00:19:45.000 It's not some communal fiat, right?

00:19:47.000 Correct.

00:19:48.000 So Dr. Cole might think something different than Dr. Smith for your patient, because that's the whole idea of a patient-doctor relationship.

00:19:56.000 Who reprimanded you?

00:19:58.000 So I'm working as an emergency physician, so there's a medical director.

00:20:01.000 So the medical director heard back from the pharmacy, and so kind of the pharmacy reports the doctors, which is kind of crazy, right?

00:20:08.000 The pharmacist wasn't upset with me.

00:20:10.000 We're friends, but he just thought, well, you're not supposed to be prescribing this.

00:20:13.000 According to who?

00:20:14.000 According to the pharmacist who was empowered by the state, the various states have put in rules saying you should prescribe it.

00:20:19.000 California.

00:20:20.000 California, but it's not just California.

00:20:21.000 It's the majority of states.

00:20:23.000 Arizona.

00:20:24.000 So with the Republican governor of Ducey.

00:20:27.000 Okay, so Ducey, I don't understand.

00:20:29.000 He's acting like a blue state governor because his restrictions were very severe.

00:20:34.000 The restrictions are worse in Democrat states, but they're also in Republican states.

00:20:39.000 So you got reprimanded by a pharmacist, a medical director.

00:20:44.000 The medical director of the emergency department reprimanded me quite severely, basically told me my job would be on the line.

00:20:49.000 Because you wanted what was best for your patient.

00:20:51.000 Right, because the patient needed hydroxychloroquine, and I was told I couldn't prescribe it.

00:20:56.000 So the patient got it.

00:20:57.000 And what was the result?

00:20:58.000 So every single patient I prescribed hydroxychloroquine and zinced to, every single one got better within hours.

00:21:03.000 And I'm talking 12 hours, 20 hours.

00:21:06.000 It's unbelievable.

00:21:07.000 So you still got reprimanded despite arguably your patients.

00:21:10.000 Not just arguably, but demonstrably.

00:21:12.000 100%.

00:21:13.000 And so then the state board run by Gavin Nussalini, right?

00:21:18.000 Yeah.

00:21:20.000 Can I kind of talk about that a little bit about Gavin Newsom?

00:21:22.000 So Gavin Newsom sends out a letter through the state medical board on April 3rd.

00:21:25.000 I'll get you a copy.

00:21:26.000 And it told all physicians who are going to prescribe that you could be brought up on unprofessional conduct if you prescribe hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19.

00:21:34.000 It was a shocking letter to receive.

00:21:36.000 This has never happened in the history of practicing medicine that the governor or the state medical board would tell you.

00:21:40.000 That's the medical politicians.

00:21:41.000 Correct.

00:21:42.000 He's telling you what to do.

00:21:43.000 That's exactly how it went down.

00:21:43.000 Correct.

00:21:45.000 And so you saw it improve your six patients.

00:21:48.000 This brings you on this rabbit hole dive.

00:21:48.000 Correct.

00:21:51.000 Correct.

00:21:52.000 What is happening to our country?

00:21:54.000 What is this?

00:21:55.000 And you find that there is a power structure that says no hydroxychloroquine, no hydroxychloroquine, no hydroxychloroquine.

00:22:00.000 Okay.

00:22:01.000 So we'll put that aside for a second because I want to have a whole hydroxychloroquine discussion.

00:22:07.000 But then you recognize that deaths are not being reported the way they're supposed to.

00:22:14.000 And then you realize and recognize that how many other patients are there that could have benefited from this, right?

00:22:21.000 I have an answer for you on that.

00:22:22.000 Please.

00:22:23.000 Yeah.

00:22:23.000 So when you look at the data and you look at the studies, I conferred with one of the most famous epidemiologists in the country, Dr. Harvey Rush, who is Yale MD PhD department professor, I think, of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, who published this with Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.

00:22:42.000 And I asked him to estimate what the death rate would have looked like if we had had a more liberal hydroxychloroquine policy in our country.

00:22:49.000 What he said was absolutely shocking.

00:22:52.000 He said between half and three-quarters of the patients who died would not have died, which is 70,000 to 105,000 patients would not be dead.

00:23:01.000 So what you're saying is that if we would have had a sane hydroxychloroquine policy, we'd have anywhere between 70 to 105,000 more people still alive than they wouldn't have died for other underlying health conditions.

00:23:13.000 No, they'd be alive.

00:23:14.000 In other words, they'd go on with wherever they were.

00:23:16.000 There would have been no.

00:23:18.000 There's all this excess death for a disease that could have been treated early and rationally.

00:23:23.000 So why are governors, even Republican governors, deciding to say no hydroxychloroquine when they don't know?

00:23:30.000 So I've actually thought about that question a lot and quite deeply because you can't assume that all governors are trying to hurt people.

00:23:36.000 So you have to assume they're hearing bad advice.

00:23:39.000 So as an example of an exception, the governor of South Dakota, Christy Noam, actually did try to give her citizens hydroxychloroquine, and she stood alone amongst, I believe, alone.

00:23:50.000 However, a study then came out that was not accurate, which I can go over with you.

00:23:54.000 And even she had to then kind of bow a little bit.

00:23:57.000 So there's a lot of, I think, people with vested interests in making sure that the best treatment doesn't get to the patient.

00:24:03.000 And it's very upsetting as a doctor.

00:24:04.000 The best treatment doesn't get to the patient.

00:24:06.000 That is correct.

00:24:07.000 That we can have more deaths, not less deaths.

00:24:10.000 So let's talk about hydroxychloroquine, and then I'm going to get into it.

00:24:16.000 France and Canada took it off their shelves in January.

00:24:20.000 Is that right?

00:24:21.000 Yes.

00:24:22.000 Yes.

00:24:23.000 Well, we have to start with that.

00:24:24.000 Hydroxychloroquine is over the counter, really, in much of the world.

00:24:27.000 I mean, that's going to come as a shock to people because all you hear about hydroxychloroquine is it's so controversial.

00:24:31.000 It's actually not at all controversial.

00:24:33.000 If you Google hydroxychloroquine, you won't find anything about it pre-2020, right?

00:24:37.000 It was just normal, standard.

00:24:39.000 People had it in their pockets in other parts of the world and would take it, and it was like Tylenol.

00:24:43.000 And the studies that you've seen and your experience shows that this works, talk about the efficacy of it.

00:24:50.000 Yeah, so anytime we talk about a drug, we just have to think of it in two parts.

00:24:55.000 Is it safe and does it work?

00:24:57.000 Right?

00:24:57.000 Those are the two things, safety and efficacy.

00:24:59.000 So there's been a lot of controversy over the efficacy, but we really have to start with safety.

00:25:05.000 Because if a drug is safe, it should be widely available.

00:25:08.000 We have tons of stuff out there that we're selling that doesn't work.

00:25:11.000 I mean, that's capitalism for you, right?

00:25:13.000 You can buy anything you want.

00:25:14.000 The question is, is it safe?

00:25:16.000 So the first thing everyone needs to know is that it's safe.

00:25:19.000 How safe is it?

00:25:20.000 Well, the CDC has on its own website how safe it is, right?

00:25:24.000 So the CDC says, who can take hydroxychloroquine?

00:25:27.000 And direct from the CDC website, hydroxychloroquine can be prescribed to adults and children of all ages.

00:25:32.000 It can also be safely taken by pregnant women and nursing mothers.

00:25:35.000 They could have said children. 0.95

00:25:36.000 But this is funny.

00:25:37.000 Who should not take hydroxychloroquine?

00:25:39.000 Very exhaustive list.

00:25:41.000 People with psoriasis should not take hydroxychloroquine.

00:25:45.000 Period.

00:25:46.000 Everyone can take it.

00:25:48.000 So this is the CDC's own website.

00:25:48.000 I see that.

00:25:50.000 This is the CDC website on hydroxychloroquine.

00:25:53.000 And so yet the FDA's current guidance on hydroxychloroquine is what?

00:25:58.000 So this is where it gets good.

00:26:00.000 So patients don't realize that once a drug is FDA approved, it can be used for any use.

00:26:05.000 But it only gets approved for one particular use.

00:26:07.000 The use it gets approved for is called on-label.

00:26:09.000 So a drug might get approved for pneumonia, for example, but once it's approved, doctors can use it for multiple things.

00:26:15.000 We do this on purpose because doctors can learn by trial and error what things work.

00:26:20.000 And as long as the drug is safe, they can find new uses for the drug.

00:26:24.000 Also, the pharmaceuticals don't like to go back and get another on-label designation because it's really expensive.

00:26:29.000 So the bottom line is for doctors, we don't think about on-label or off-label.

00:26:33.000 It doesn't matter to us at all.

00:26:34.000 We just do the right thing for the patient.

00:26:36.000 So what the FDA did with hydroxychloroquine is unique.

00:26:40.000 I've asked everybody.

00:26:41.000 Nobody has heard of anything like this.

00:26:43.000 They said that doctors cannot prescribe hydroxychloroquine or should not prescribe hydroxychloroquine off-label.

00:26:49.000 As far as we can tell, that has never happened with any FDA-approved medication.

00:26:53.000 But what I really want to stress is the average person, when they hear the word off-label or the phrase off-label, they might think that's kind of strange.

00:27:01.000 It's not at all strange.

00:27:02.000 We use off-label as physicians 21% of the time.

00:27:05.000 We use it all the time.

00:27:06.000 For example, aspirin in patients with heart disease is indicated.

00:27:11.000 Probably everybody listening to your show has somebody in their family who takes aspirin with heart disease.

00:27:14.000 But if you've got diabetes or other conditions and heart disease, it's off-label to use aspirin.

00:27:18.000 Morphine, if a kid comes into your ER who's broken their leg and we want to give them morphine for pain, which we do every day, is off-label.

00:27:25.000 So off-label is just like kind of a normal use of drug.

00:27:28.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:27:29.000 So the media caught onto this phrase off-label.

00:27:32.000 And then the FDA told us we can't use it off-label.

00:27:35.000 So then the states are telling the doctors you can't use it off-label.

00:27:37.000 But off-label is 21% of all prescriptions.

00:27:41.000 And so the FDA now basically disallows the.

00:27:44.000 Essentially disallows it.

00:27:45.000 And what's really interesting, Charlie, is I had a face-to-face meeting with Dr. Burks just about a week ago.

00:27:51.000 Dr. Deborah Burke.

00:27:52.000 A scarf woman. 0.99

00:27:54.000 From the coronavirus task force. 0.99

00:27:55.000 Yes. 1.00

00:27:55.000 A scarf woman. 1.00

00:27:56.000 So we ran into her. 0.57

00:27:56.000 Yeah. 0.57

00:27:57.000 We were up in Washington, D.C., and we ran into her.

00:28:00.000 And I was sharing with her that it's quite difficult for doctors to prescribe hydroxychloroquine.

00:28:04.000 And she said to me, no, no, no, no, of course you can still prescribe it.

00:28:07.000 It's, you know, an FDA-approved medicine.

00:28:09.000 And I said, no, no, the FDA has said that it's not effective and therefore we shouldn't use it.

00:28:12.000 And she said, no, no, absolutely not true.

00:28:14.000 Of course, you can prescribe hydroxychloroquine off-label.

00:28:17.000 Absolutely.

00:28:18.000 And I said, would you please issue a public clarification to that effect?

00:28:21.000 And she said, absolutely.

00:28:22.000 I will issue a public clarification.

00:28:23.000 And she said this, there were six of us.

00:28:26.000 But I'm waiting for the public clarification because we've asked her to go to the church.

00:28:29.000 And this really frustrates me.

00:28:30.000 You're in the trenches.

00:28:32.000 You're the one that actually has to look patients in the eye that are dying.

00:28:32.000 Correct.

00:28:35.000 She gets to go change her scarfs every single day and go on television.

00:28:38.000 And I'm just about at my, I'm just about done with all these celebrity doctors.

00:28:41.000 And I want to talk to, I mean, you have to be careful with what you say.

00:28:44.000 And you should be because you want to remain very non-judgmental of people.

00:28:48.000 Let me do that for you.

00:28:50.000 Because Dr. Burks, changing her scarves every single day, says things that are so preposterously untrue. 0.67

00:28:56.000 She's misleading the American people.

00:28:58.000 And she doesn't even know.

00:29:00.000 I mean, has Dr. Burks had to look for someone in the eye who's dying of COVID-19?

00:29:04.000 Has she had to do that?

00:29:05.000 Or is she just changing her scarf every day?

00:29:07.000 So, what I can say is, she appeared to not know that we were having trouble hydroxyl prescribing hydroxychloroquine, which I thought was very remarkable because it's quite well known amongst doctors.

00:29:16.000 And by the way, it's quite tragic to look at a patient and know you can't give them the right thing.

00:29:19.000 It's a pretty heavy burden to bear as a human being.

00:29:23.000 Yeah, I mean, so there's doctors that want to prescribe.

00:29:28.000 Have you ever dealt in your medical experience, your medical history, not being able to prescribe something?

00:29:33.000 This has never, ever happened in the history of medicine.

00:29:36.000 And my father was a doctor, so I believe I would know.

00:29:39.000 I've never heard of a situation where the FDA said you've got a generic, safe drug.

00:29:44.000 It's been FDA-approved for 65 years.

00:29:46.000 We can give it to pregnant women, breastfeeding women, children, elderly, and immune compromised.

00:29:50.000 But oh, by the way, you just can't use it for COVID.

00:29:54.000 And there's tons of efficacy studies that it works, and there's doctors that want to use it and patients that want to take it.

00:29:59.000 I've never heard of such a thing.

00:30:00.000 Is it safer than Tylenol?

00:30:01.000 It's safer than Tylenol.

00:30:03.000 It's safer than aspirin.

00:30:03.000 It's safer than Molrin.

00:30:05.000 The American Heart Association said it does not impact the QT interval.

00:30:09.000 Is that correct?

00:30:10.000 Yeah.

00:30:10.000 So the thing that your listeners have heard before is that, oh, maybe it affects my heart, maybe it affects my heart.

00:30:15.000 This is just the craziest, it's almost a rumor.

00:30:18.000 It's not completely a rumor because there's tiny, tiny bases of factual truth that hydroxychloroquine is one of many hundreds of drugs that can do this thing called prolonged the QT interval.

00:30:28.000 And if it does that in a severe way, you could run into a heart problem.

00:30:31.000 But it's super rare.

00:30:33.000 And it was really theoretical.

00:30:34.000 And you know how theoretical it was, Charlie?

00:30:36.000 Is that the people that prescribe it are rheumatologists on their own website?

00:30:40.000 They don't even recommend getting an EKG before you start hydroxychloroquine.

00:30:44.000 I mean, it's theoretical.

00:30:46.000 Why would somebody not want hydroxychloroquine to be?

00:30:49.000 Are there forces to be that don't have money to make in this situation?

00:30:53.000 You know, I just started down this path a few months ago.

00:30:56.000 And like I think everybody listening, we all kind of thought this was because Donald Trump said this was possibly a good thing on March 19th.

00:31:05.000 And then March 20th, the media exploded all over this drug.

00:31:09.000 I always thought that was the reason that the media was so against it.

00:31:13.000 But what I found very curious was when the remdistivir study came out about a month or two months ago and people didn't look at it critically.

00:31:23.000 And I thought it looked like it was weakly, mildly helpful, but the media didn't jump on that and they just gave it a free pass and said it was the answer.

00:31:31.000 I started looking at that more closely, and I realized that people were talking or taking hydroxychloroquine off the shelf long before Trump said it was good.

00:31:41.000 In other words, I just think it dovetailed with what the media wanted to believe about Trump, but I don't know that that was the reason there's been so much hatred towards hydroxychloroquine.

00:31:49.000 Hydroxychloroquine is a cheap drug with no profit potential.

00:31:53.000 No profit potential.

00:31:54.000 No profit potential.

00:31:55.000 So it says, I'm reading from Time magazine, the sound of what you're talking about, April 24th, FDA issues warning about hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19.

00:32:03.000 Correct.

00:32:04.000 And has that warning been retracted?

00:32:06.000 It has not been retracted, and that was based on faulty studies, specifically the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine published really fraudulent studies, and they actually got retracted.

00:32:16.000 And we were waiting for the FDA to pull back on that statement, but they haven't.

00:32:22.000 So why are they fraudulent?

00:32:27.000 There were so many problems with it.

00:32:29.000 They said they had a database of over 90,000 people.

00:32:31.000 It wasn't possible.

00:32:32.000 One of the hospitals said, we didn't even admit that many patients in a year.

00:32:36.000 Like, there's no way it was possible to happen.

00:32:38.000 So what they did is the Lancet then went back to the company that provided the data, a company called Surgisphere, and they said, show us your data because that has to be part of being published in the Lancet that you can prove your data.

00:32:47.000 They went back to Surgisphere, and Sergisphere said, no, no, no, we're not going to give you our data.

00:32:51.000 So then the Lancet had to do a retraction.

00:32:53.000 But this is the craziest part.

00:32:54.000 Surgisphere, this little company, is scrubbed from the internet.

00:32:57.000 You can't find it.

00:32:58.000 Gone.

00:33:00.000 Right, gone.

00:33:01.000 Like, doesn't exist.

00:33:03.000 Right, exactly.

00:33:04.000 So the company that did the study that...

00:33:06.000 The company that did the study that got published in the most famous medical journal in the world.

00:33:10.000 New England Journal of Medicine.

00:33:11.000 This one was the Lancet, and both.

00:33:12.000 It was both the Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine, the number one in two journals in the world, took a study that was so obviously fraudulent.

00:33:18.000 The company that provided the data is now scrubbed from the internet like it never existed.

00:33:23.000 And yet the FDA still has their policy up.

00:33:26.000 The FDA still has their policy based on those retracted laws.

00:33:29.000 Why is our government not doing what's the right thing?

00:33:31.000 Well, right now there's a lawsuit brought by doctors like me against the FDA to say, please stop saying this stuff, and it's just winding its way through court.

00:33:38.000 That lawsuit is addressed to Dr. Hahn, the head of the FDA.

00:33:38.000 I have no idea.

00:33:42.000 I don't know.

00:33:43.000 I would ask Dr. Hahn, why are we not making it clear that doctors can continue to prescribe off-label for hydroxychloroquine just like they do for any other FDA-proof medicine?

00:33:52.000 Do you trust doctors, or do you think, I mean, how is Dr. Hahn acting any different than the head of Gilead?

00:33:58.000 So I think that doctors, to some extent, represent the last line of freedom and truth and independence.

00:34:05.000 Not all doctors, but the doctor-patient relationship had never been violated in my career.

00:34:10.000 It's that little space of protection, right?

00:34:12.000 That has now been violated by the government and by pharmacists.

00:34:15.000 You can't have a conversation with patients.

00:34:17.000 How can I tell them what they need if I know they can't get it?

00:34:20.000 So I can't even have a conversation with them.

00:34:22.000 It's actually heartbreaking to me as a doctor.

00:34:23.000 And I think doctors, again, not all doctors, but like me, they're a bit independent as compared to pharmacists or the government.

00:34:30.000 And I would say to the American people, maybe not every doctor is perfect, but of all the people in this situation to trust, the most trustworthy one is the doctor.

00:34:40.000 I would hope so.

00:34:42.000 Compared to the pharmacist and the government, I would say so.

00:34:44.000 And so you can't.

00:34:45.000 The pharmacist, I'm not maligning a pharmacist.

00:34:47.000 I'm saying pharmacists tend to be employed by big corporations that give them policies telling them what to do.

00:34:51.000 So I don't mean the individual pharmacist.

00:34:53.000 I want to be clear.

00:34:54.000 I completely agree.

00:34:55.000 So, but our government is not doing what's best for its people currently.

00:35:00.000 That's an understatement.

00:35:02.000 Elaborate that more.

00:35:03.000 So because we have 75,000 people that could have been saved minimum.

00:35:07.000 So when you see numbers.

00:35:09.000 How's the FDA going to be held accountable for 75,000 dead people?

00:35:12.000 Only if the press and the American public holds them accountable.

00:35:16.000 Good luck.

00:35:16.000 You know, this becomes real for you when it's your grandmother or your uncle in the hospital.

00:35:22.000 And then people like that have become advocates.

00:35:24.000 People contact me.

00:35:25.000 A dear friend who's in the hospital on a ventilator and was asked for hydroxychloroquine and denied it.

00:35:33.000 I don't know what to say.

00:35:34.000 I hear stories like this all the time.

00:35:36.000 I have friends.

00:35:37.000 I just don't think as a society we care about human life like we say we do.

00:35:40.000 100%.

00:35:41.000 We do not care about human life based on our actions of how we're treating them. 1.00

00:35:44.000 We're not treating the elderly well.

00:35:46.000 We're not treating people who it's so Orwellian, doctor, because the left says they care about it.

00:35:50.000 Like, oh, we care about human life. 0.98

00:35:51.000 Don't nursing home and go kill you. 0.83

00:35:53.000 Oh, we care about human life. 0.77

00:35:54.000 Don't take that drug that could save you.

00:35:55.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 It's exactly what's going on.

00:35:57.000 It's Orwellian.

00:35:57.000 It's not even a lie.

00:35:58.000 It's double stress.

00:35:59.000 Yeah.

00:35:59.000 It's not even, it's overwhelmingly.

00:36:01.000 It's the opposite of a opposite of a truth.

00:36:06.000 In the studies you're doing right now, and you're talking to doctors.

00:36:09.000 Do you feel that there's a resistance growing to this?

00:36:12.000 Growing, resistance growing to the government oversight?

00:36:14.000 Just to the built-in orthodoxy in our country that hydroxychloroquine is bad.

00:36:20.000 It's the worst virus in the history of the world.

00:36:22.000 Are doctors starting to push back, I guess is probably a better way to word it.

00:36:25.000 That is a painful question for me because not enough doctors are pushing back.

00:36:29.000 And I do think the doctors, to some extent, have drunk the Kool-Aid as well.

00:36:33.000 I've had very disturbing conversations with intelligent people who can't see what's right in front of them.

00:36:40.000 And I think doctors at this point, you know, they've drunk the Kool-Aid to some extent as well.

00:36:46.000 There are many thousands of doctors like me, many thousands.

00:36:49.000 But I don't believe it's difficult to live in America and not believe something that you're being told 24-7.

00:36:58.000 Well, that's the whole purpose of this podcast.

00:37:00.000 Yeah.

00:37:01.000 Just breakthrough.

00:37:02.000 Let me give you an interesting example to tell you about doctors.

00:37:05.000 So back when this kind of first started and we first started seeing hospitalized patients, I was told I couldn't use hydroxychloroquine.

00:37:11.000 And I didn't really say anything because we didn't have the COVID test.

00:37:14.000 So I couldn't absolutely prove it was indicated.

00:37:16.000 But I wanted to use it, but I didn't.

00:37:17.000 Then when we got the rapid COVID test and we could prove that someone had had COVID and I started prescribing it, I got into a lot of trouble.

00:37:23.000 Then our hospital changed its policy like many hospitals did and said you could use hydroxychloroquine.

00:37:28.000 And I said, well, what changed from Monday to Tuesday?

00:37:30.000 Just the group think change?

00:37:30.000 Like what changed?

00:37:31.000 Like what changed?

00:37:32.000 Like no science changes.

00:37:33.000 It was just group think.

00:37:34.000 So we were prescribing it for about a month.

00:37:36.000 Then we stopped doing it because everyone else stopped doing it because the FDA said what it said.

00:37:40.000 And again, I said to my peers, well, what changed?

00:37:42.000 Like, was there some new information that came down?

00:37:44.000 No.

00:37:45.000 So I'm very upset when doctors themselves don't hold the line for truth and accuracy.

00:37:50.000 But again, there are many thousands of doctors with me.

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00:39:20.000 I want to get to another point here, which is The death of science and the death of medicine.

00:39:29.000 You're seeing it politicized.

00:39:30.000 I mean, what made science science, and you see this through the postmodernist left, and I know you're not political, and I'm just going to say it.

00:39:38.000 In their little how-to guide, they say the scientific method is something that needs to be destroyed.

00:39:43.000 It's part of their whole, that's their agenda.

00:39:45.000 They publish it.

00:39:46.000 They think the scientific method is an instrument of white supremacy, which is outrageous, obviously.

00:39:51.000 How many people of all races have been saved thanks to the scientific method?

00:39:56.000 I think knowing germ theory exists is probably a good thing for everybody.

00:40:02.000 You see that now you're seeing it on the front lines how politics is actually getting in the way of you doing your work.

00:40:08.000 This is actually incredibly tragic for me as a physician.

00:40:11.000 You know, my Dow was a doctor.

00:40:12.000 I come from a family of doctors.

00:40:14.000 I've never seen anything like this.

00:40:16.000 And I've also spoken with so many of my colleagues who've never seen anything like this.

00:40:20.000 The scientists who are publishing on this have never seen this.

00:40:22.000 I'll give you an example that isn't well known.

00:40:25.000 You may have heard of the most recent study on hydroxychloroquine that was positive, right?

00:40:29.000 The reason it got a lot of fuss was it actually took place in America, was published by American scientists.

00:40:33.000 It took place in Detroit at Henry Ford Hospital.

00:40:36.000 And it actually showed that hydroxychloroquine cut the mortality by half, which is a really dramatic number.

00:40:40.000 And by the way, that was in half of patients who were hospitalized, which means it's late stage.

00:40:44.000 So that's really dramatic.

00:40:45.000 So they publish it.

00:40:46.000 But this is a curious thing.

00:40:47.000 When you look at the date that they finish the study and the date that they publish the study, there's like a six or seven week lag in between.

00:40:53.000 So I called up some of the scientists and I said, hey, what was the deal with why was it weeks and weeks late?

00:40:58.000 Because in COVID time, everything is published immediately, right?

00:41:01.000 They do pre-press, pre-publication press, especially if you have good news like that, you come up with it right away.

00:41:06.000 It's really important.

00:41:08.000 You'd think it would be instantaneous, right?

00:41:09.000 Correct.

00:41:10.000 But it was good news on hydroxychloroquine.

00:41:11.000 So they actually delayed it.

00:41:14.000 So what happened, what I was told, is that the hospital didn't want to do a pre-press publication, like a press conference, basically saying the results, until it was accepted by a scientific journal.

00:41:25.000 But the scientific journal, nobody would accept it for five or six weeks, a very long time, which is actually remarkable because when it finally did come out, it was huge news.

00:41:34.000 Even CNN covered it, right?

00:41:36.000 But you know, when they dumped it into the news cycle, Friday before July 4th.

00:41:40.000 Yeah, that's probably the time if you wanted to bury it, right?

00:41:44.000 I mean, it was unbelievable.

00:41:45.000 And really, as a scientist, I found this like unbelievable.

00:41:48.000 And no one really talks about it.

00:41:49.000 No one talks about it.

00:41:50.000 So just so your listeners know, it's been shown to proven in an American hospital in Detroit by American scientists.

00:41:55.000 So according to the studies, the math, your personal experiences, all of your accumulated experiences, do you think it would be a good thing if hydroxychloroquine was made more available?

00:42:05.000 Yeah, we definitely need hydroxychloroquine to be more available.

00:42:08.000 I say, like, why don't we have the same rights as people in Kazakhstan?

00:42:11.000 Like, give me a break.

00:42:12.000 So, wait, so Kazakhstan is a lot of people.

00:42:14.000 Kazakhstan is pronounced it wrong.

00:42:15.000 So, Kazakhstan has hydroxychloroquine as over the counter?

00:42:18.000 Yeah, it's why, yeah.

00:42:19.000 And now it's in the middle of the morning.

00:42:20.000 They have more liberty.

00:42:22.000 They have more liberty, they have more freedom.

00:42:23.000 I'm sure it's a very nice place.

00:42:24.000 I've known people from Kazakhstan, really nice people, but they have more liberty than we do.

00:42:28.000 They do.

00:42:29.000 Yeah.

00:42:30.000 What other countries?

00:42:31.000 I've got a whole list.

00:42:32.000 So we've got most, you know, we've got Honduras and Panama.

00:42:36.000 So in Honduras, Costa Rica, Indonesia.

00:42:39.000 So in Indonesia, interesting example.

00:42:41.000 Not exactly the land of the free and the home of the brave in Indonesia. 0.99

00:42:44.000 Iran. 0.82

00:42:44.000 The mullahs in Iran. 0.82

00:42:46.000 You can go in and buy it.

00:42:46.000 The mullahs in Iran.

00:42:47.000 Wait, hold on a second. 1.00

00:42:48.000 I'm sorry.

00:42:49.000 No, no, no.

00:42:50.000 So tell me. 1.00

00:42:51.000 Indonesia. 0.69

00:42:52.000 Iran.

00:42:52.000 No, Iran's grand.

00:42:53.000 I was like, hold on.

00:42:54.000 Are you kidding me?

00:42:55.000 In Iran, you can buy hydroxychloroquine over the counter?

00:42:58.000 That is correct. 1.00

00:42:59.000 But if you're gay, they'll throw you off the. 1.00

00:42:59.000 I have to do it. 1.00

00:43:02.000 And they'll kill you. 1.00

00:43:03.000 You can get hydroxychloroquine, though. 0.97

00:43:05.000 You have the liberty to get hydroxychloroquine.

00:43:07.000 Is there in America?

00:43:07.000 That is correct.

00:43:09.000 Is it hard to get it right now?

00:43:10.000 It's actually incredibly difficult.

00:43:12.000 It's incredibly difficult.

00:43:13.000 There's a supply issue.

00:43:14.000 There's no supply issue.

00:43:15.000 We have 63 million doses just sitting doing nothing in a national stockpile.

00:43:19.000 Did the government buy them?

00:43:20.000 The government was, it was donated to the government and they're sitting by different pharmaceuticals.

00:43:24.000 Why don't they donate it?

00:43:26.000 I mean, President Trump asked for it.

00:43:28.000 But then it took it off the private market, didn't it?

00:43:32.000 There was no profit motive there.

00:43:33.000 It was free.

00:43:34.000 It was essentially free.

00:43:34.000 It was basically a free transaction.

00:43:36.000 But it's just sitting unused.

00:43:37.000 So the point is that it took it off the capacity for us to be able to get it.

00:43:40.000 So the federal government has it under their control right now.

00:43:44.000 There's no supply issue.

00:43:46.000 Anybody who has a physician who prescribes it and a pharmacist who will fill it, we have no supply issue.

00:43:51.000 There's plenty of supply.

00:43:53.000 The problem is that the pharmacists are blocking it and that the state medical boards are threatening their doctors from prescribing it.

00:44:00.000 So we have no supply issue.

00:44:03.000 Third world countries get it at total accessibility.

00:44:09.000 So in India, it's national policy that all their healthcare workers can get it just by asking for it.

00:44:09.000 Yeah.

00:44:14.000 Third world country-based. 1.00

00:44:15.000 I mean, India is breaking out of the country. 1.00

00:44:17.000 That is correct. 0.98

00:44:18.000 So what's the difference without causation and correlation, but is there a difference generally between countries that take it and their mortality rates in countries that don't?

00:44:26.000 Yeah, it's overwhelming.

00:44:28.000 So in countries that have a liberal hydroxychloroquine policy, meaning you think you could just buy it at the counter or your doctor can give it to you.

00:44:35.000 There's no political, I can never say that word.

00:44:37.000 Politicization.

00:44:38.000 Politicization of the drug.

00:44:41.000 Those countries have a mortality rate that's a case fatality rate that's much lower.

00:44:45.000 You can give me the graphic previously.

00:44:47.000 It's a fraction of what it is in first world countries like America and the UK and France and Belgium and Ireland.

00:44:53.000 So it's really a Western-rich country that we're self-imposing on ourselves. 0.77

00:44:57.000 Yeah, and then there's other people like Mexico also.

00:44:59.000 So there are some political issues, but it is mostly first world problems.

00:45:03.000 So we have a pharmaceutical industrial complex that doesn't see any profit motive behind this, but they would behind a vaccine, right?

00:45:11.000 There's no money to be made on hydroxychloroquine, period.

00:45:14.000 But there's lives to be saved.

00:45:15.000 Oh, there's tons of lives to be saved.

00:45:17.000 So our government, and I love Trump, I love President Trump, but he's being undermined by deep state bureaucrats that are bought by the pharmaceutical industrial complex, and they're undermining him and lying to him.

00:45:17.000 It's tragic.

00:45:28.000 And mixed with the pharmaceutical power structure that basically is like, oh, we don't care if 100,000 people die, but we're going to say like we care so we can get more power.

00:45:36.000 But even though there's these pills, 63 million pills, that could help people.

00:45:40.000 So we are asking to have access to those 63 million pills.

00:45:43.000 I mean, where are they physically?

00:45:45.000 I think they're physically here in Arizona.

00:45:47.000 I think.

00:45:48.000 Someone told me the national stockpile is here, I think.

00:45:50.000 So we need to go raid that.

00:45:51.000 By the way, there could be a huge black market.

00:45:53.000 I don't know why black market hasn't really been in the middle of the year.

00:45:54.000 I just don't understand.

00:45:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:56.000 By the way, people bring it in from other countries.

00:45:57.000 So people have relatives in other countries, like Indonesia.

00:46:00.000 I would never do this, but I could go to North Phoenix and get cocaine.

00:46:03.000 Like, I'm not exactly correct.

00:46:04.000 That's correct.

00:46:04.000 It's the cottage industry of Charlie Kirk.

00:46:07.000 But there's meth on the streets of Phoenix.

00:46:10.000 You would think that some of these.

00:46:11.000 Could I share with you something funny?

00:46:12.000 Please.

00:46:13.000 I had two congressmen ask me, how can they get hydroxychloroquine?

00:46:18.000 And what was your answer?

00:46:19.000 I was like, you have to go to your doctor, and I looked up their states.

00:46:22.000 They said, oh, in your state, it's very difficult.

00:46:25.000 So, I mean, it's not, you can't even buy your way out of this.

00:46:28.000 Like, if you had all the money in the world, you could be a multi-millionaire.

00:46:32.000 But if your doctor doesn't have also drunk the Kool-Aid that it's not helpful, then the pharmacists won't prescribe it.

00:46:37.000 What you don't understand is that why have not like the drug leaders just decided, like, hey, you can come get some hydroxychloroquine?

00:46:43.000 See, it's a really good, it's a really good industry, cottage industry.

00:46:45.000 I don't know.

00:46:46.000 It's not that complex to make.

00:46:47.000 It's actually quite easy.

00:46:48.000 And by the way, there's tons of supply now in India.

00:46:50.000 You know, India has a lot.

00:46:51.000 So why?

00:46:52.000 I think that could be a little side business.

00:46:54.000 Do you think that part of the way we end all this nonsense lies in hydroxychloroquine?

00:46:59.000 Listen, we are entrapped as a society in a spider web of fear, right?

00:47:04.000 It's not the virus that's destroying this country at all.

00:47:07.000 The virus is a real disease that affects people predominantly with comorbid conditions and to some extent older people, but overwhelmingly sick people.

00:47:15.000 It's much less deadly than influenza for people under 60 who don't have problems.

00:47:19.000 It's not at all a problem for children.

00:47:21.000 Children are essentially immune.

00:47:22.000 I'd like to get back to that subject.

00:47:24.000 But the point is, it's not the virus that's doing our country in.

00:47:26.000 It's the spider web of fear around it.

00:47:29.000 So what we need to do is we need to break that spider web, right?

00:47:33.000 How can we get rid of fear?

00:47:34.000 That's what's driving Americans.

00:47:36.000 Well, if Americans knew that there was treatment available, should they get sick or should grandma or mom get sick, they would stop operating in fear and they would shrug off all the kind of fascist, anti-civil libertarian policies that have been instituted by governors.

00:47:53.000 So my plan is to get rid of the fear and hopefully make hydroxychloroquine more widely available.

00:48:00.000 I mean, just waiting for a vaccine seems awfully questionable.

00:48:04.000 So first of all, the quickest time to a vaccine has been five years.

00:48:08.000 And this particular virus is kind of tricky and complicated.

00:48:12.000 And one of the things I don't like when I hear about the vaccine trials is part of the reason vaccine trials take a long time is you have to wait a while and see the effect on the person over a time period, right?

00:48:22.000 Over two years, three years.

00:48:23.000 Was there kind of a delayed reaction?

00:48:25.000 There's no way to hurry that up.

00:48:26.000 No, the government might change its rules and say, well, hurry it up, but there's no substitute for time.

00:48:30.000 So I'm very leery of a vaccine that comes out very quickly.

00:48:34.000 So what's really bizarre about this virus is that children are basically a higher likelihood of dying from other viruses, right?

00:48:43.000 Have you ever seen a virus like this?

00:48:43.000 100%.

00:48:45.000 This is a really peculiar little virus.

00:48:48.000 You know, usually if you get a cold or you get influenza, everyone knows what that feels like.

00:48:52.000 Everyone feels about the same.

00:48:54.000 But this virus is interesting, right?

00:48:56.000 A lot of people don't get sick at all.

00:48:57.000 It impacts people completely different.

00:48:59.000 Exactly.

00:49:00.000 So somebody asked me once, are kids immune?

00:49:02.000 And somebody said, no, no, they're not immune.

00:49:04.000 What do you call it if you've got exposed to something and you don't get sick from it?

00:49:04.000 I said, well, I don't know.

00:49:07.000 You know, I call that immunity.

00:49:09.000 Kids seem to be immune from this virus.

00:49:12.000 You've never seen a virus like that, right?

00:49:15.000 Well, there are viruses that preferentially affect different ages.

00:49:18.000 This virus seems to preferentially not affect the young. 0.89

00:49:23.000 I mean, I would guess this sounds like something that was made in a lab. 0.96

00:49:28.000 What I will say for sure is that the Wuhan, China has a biosafety hazard lab level four, one of only 50 in the world.

00:49:40.000 50 in the world.

00:49:41.000 There's only 50 biosafety lab level fours in the world.

00:49:45.000 China's only biosafety hazard lab level four is in Wuhan.

00:49:50.000 They don't have any others.

00:49:51.000 It was kind of a point of pride to them.

00:49:53.000 They only opened it in January of 2 or March of 2017.

00:49:57.000 They have had safety issues that were well documented prior to this event, and they've also had documented safety issues with a level 3 microorganism.

00:50:07.000 So in other words, China had a track record of not containing level 3.

00:50:10.000 Then they got a level 4 lab.

00:50:12.000 So it's not really a stretch to think that they let their level 4 safety standards be a little bit lax. 0.64

00:50:18.000 What we can say for sure is that the theory that it came from a bat market, a wet market was only a few miles away, coincidentally, from the biosafety hazard level 4 lab in Wuhan, which, again, the only biosafety hazard lab level 4 in China was a few miles from this supposed wet market. 0.87

00:50:38.000 That's a fact.

00:50:40.000 A lot of these governors want to lock down their states again.

00:50:45.000 Gavin Nussalini is doing that.

00:50:48.000 And other Republican governors are doing that.

00:50:50.000 Your emergency physician.

00:50:53.000 Have you seen how the lockdowns have had a negative impact on people?

00:50:57.000 Health-wise.

00:50:59.000 So first of all, no, for sure.

00:51:01.000 Like, I mean, have you heard the quarantine 15?

00:51:04.000 People are gaining weight.

00:51:06.000 They're not exercising.

00:51:07.000 The kids are not going to school, right?

00:51:08.000 The suicide hot rate line is through the...

00:51:10.000 Oh, tell me about the suicide pattern.

00:51:12.000 There's so much data on this.

00:51:12.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:51:13.000 Because it's so interesting.

00:51:15.000 Our whole research team here at the Charlie Kirk show and everyone that supports our show at charliekirk.com slash support helps us do that.

00:51:22.000 We spent hours.

00:51:23.000 We couldn't find any published suicide data from the last couple months, nowhere.

00:51:27.000 So I'm going to bring you a study that we have in Los Angeles of the numbers of phone calls that went up to the suicide hot rate line went through the roof.

00:51:36.000 But you're right.

00:51:36.000 There's a dearth of published data about this.

00:51:39.000 So I had to get this directly from the sites themselves.

00:51:41.000 Yes, I mean that's definitely to me.

00:51:44.000 That's a bit of a cover-up because there's no question.

00:51:46.000 They don't want to, I mean, our elites don't care about the fact that kids are committing suicide.

00:51:51.000 Yeah, there's no question that the rate.

00:51:52.000 They care about people going to church.

00:51:54.000 Yeah, there's no question that the psychological impact of the lockdown is enormous.

00:51:58.000 Enormous.

00:51:58.000 And by the way, a friend of mine who's a psychiatrist has said that he takes care of children and grown-ups, and that a girl, when Governor Newsom said that you could actually go out and go to the beach, said to her father, no, we can't go to the beach, we can't go to the beach.

00:52:09.000 And he's like, why not?

00:52:10.000 He goes, there's people at the beach.

00:52:12.000 So he said, this is exactly the kind of person who's going to develop a phobia as an adult.

00:52:17.000 Absolutely for sure.

00:52:18.000 And we're seeing, I mean, if I was a pharmaceutical company, I would love what was happening.

00:52:24.000 Everyone has antidepressants on the increase.

00:52:26.000 That's a very good point.

00:52:27.000 I didn't think of that until you said it.

00:52:28.000 You have everyone that's, I need this drug to offset this drug, but I'm obese, so I need this one, this one, this one.

00:52:34.000 Yeah.

00:52:34.000 So why can't we have one for hydroxychloroquine then?

00:52:36.000 Well, because there's no profit to be made.

00:52:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:38.000 Just put it in your pocket like that.

00:52:39.000 And meanwhile, our government, who's supposed to be for us, is preventing that from happening.

00:52:42.000 I thought we were all about liberty.

00:52:43.000 So this is what I think is going on.

00:52:44.000 I think like everybody's advising the president not to touch the hydroxychloroquine issue just because there's been so much negative press.

00:52:51.000 But I'm telling you as a scientist, it's unconscionable that we don't have access to this drug.

00:52:55.000 It's unconscionable.

00:52:55.000 That's what's so interesting is that, and this is just more a political statement in D.C., a lot of people are always like, well, you should have the liberty to be able to do cannabis.

00:53:04.000 You should have the liberty to be able to, you know, put whatever you want in your body at all times.

00:53:08.000 Liberty, right? 1.00

00:53:09.000 Legalized prostitution, liberty. 0.65

00:53:10.000 But you don't have the liberty to go get something that could save your life that is less lethal than Tylenol and aspirin.

00:53:17.000 So you know what they're doing in Honduras?

00:53:19.000 They're actually going door to door with a goodie bag of medicines.

00:53:23.000 And they would have put hydroxychloroquine in it, but they didn't have enough supply.

00:53:27.000 But they're doing this to get hydroxychloroquine to the people.

00:53:29.000 So they're giving them a goodie bag.

00:53:30.000 But in doing that, they're discovering who's really sick.

00:53:32.000 And those who they think are a little bit sick, they actually give them hydroxychloroquine, essentially door to door in goodie bags. 0.84

00:53:39.000 I mean, Honduras is ahead of the curve here.

00:53:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:42.000 No, U.S. is at the bottom.

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:45.000 We're at the bottom of.

00:53:46.000 We're in the bottom 25%, I would say.

00:53:49.000 Yeah, I mean, basically, the way I look at it is if you have money and you're at the higher income distribution and you have a concierge doctor in Beverly Hills or Bel Air and you get COVID-19, the Chinese coronavirus, someone will find you hydroxychloroquine.

00:54:02.000 They'll fly it in for you.

00:54:03.000 But if you're a middle-class worker from Pittsburgh and you might be a little overweight, your job got shipped overseas to China and your wages have stagnated and you happen to get the Chinese coronavirus and they stick you to some hospital.

00:54:15.000 You're like, can I have that thing that I found on TV?

00:54:17.000 No, no, we don't have any of that.

00:54:18.000 And then they put you on a ventilator and you die.

00:54:20.000 Yeah.

00:54:21.000 It just.

00:54:23.000 That's evil, isn't it?

00:54:24.000 Yeah.

00:54:24.000 So there's no question that this is evil.

00:54:26.000 I hate the elitist mentality that some people can get things that other people can't get.

00:54:30.000 That really kind of.

00:54:30.000 Especially when it's widely accessible.

00:54:31.000 We have 63 million pills hidden in Arizona somewhere.

00:54:34.000 Yeah.

00:54:34.000 So we just have to stress that this drug, this medication is incredibly safe.

00:54:38.000 It should be over the counter.

00:54:39.000 It's over the counter most of the world in much of the world.

00:54:41.000 The fact that you can just buy it in Indonesia, so people in Indonesia will actually mail it to people here.

00:54:45.000 And you're right, that people will call up people like me and other doctors who are okay with hydroxychloroquine and try to get it.

00:54:51.000 But if you're middle class or no connections, you know, you don't even know.

00:54:54.000 You don't even know that you need to do it.

00:54:55.000 But the rulers don't care if they die.

00:54:57.000 They actually have contempt for those people.

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 It's very, it's immoral what's going on.

00:55:02.000 Oh, it's evil.

00:55:03.000 It's the definition of evil, but we're supposed to then stay at home because people singing at church is somehow how we're going to spread the virus.

00:55:10.000 Yeah.

00:55:10.000 Some nonsense like that.

00:55:12.000 I want to close with this. 0.92

00:55:14.000 Say this is a big lie.

00:55:15.000 How big is this lie?

00:55:16.000 I mean how how, how much are we being deceived here generally?

00:55:19.000 Just I can give me an enormity of what we're going through right now and the severity of it.

00:55:24.000 On a scale of one to ten in terms of lies, we are at like 9.5.

00:55:33.000 It's almost complete lies, what you're hearing almost entirely.

00:55:38.000 So this is a disease that does not hurt children and we're talking about keeping schools closed.

00:55:43.000 This is a disease that if you close the schools i'm sorry, let's back up this is a disease that doesn't hurt children and we're talking about keeping schools closed.

00:55:52.000 We know that keeping schools closed does hurt children, so that's immoral. 1.00

00:55:56.000 This is a disease that kills frail older people. 1.00

00:55:58.000 We didn't protect them. 1.00

00:56:00.000 This is a disease that if you treat it early, doesn't become anything.

00:56:03.000 You know covet's in two parts, the early phase and the late phase.

00:56:05.000 Those are really different diseases.

00:56:07.000 Early is about viral replication.

00:56:09.000 You need hydroxychloroquine and zinc.

00:56:11.000 Late is when your system shuts down from a cytokine storm.

00:56:14.000 Very different diseases.

00:56:15.000 You really need to understand it's two different diseases.

00:56:18.000 So why are we depriving the people who are not that sick of a drug right in the beginning that helps them?

00:56:22.000 What i'd like to say is, you know you could get cancer and get the best chemotherapy, or maybe we don't have to get cancer in the first place.

00:56:28.000 So we don't have to get cancer in the first place if you give someone a pill that we have, that's cheap and safe.

00:56:33.000 So most of what you're seeing is not 9.5 on a scale of one to 10 is where we're at in terms of the disinformation that's out there, disinformation, target disinformation, some of it, I it might be.

00:56:44.000 We don't know motives right, but we know there's a profit movement.

00:56:46.000 I have my theories on motives.

00:56:48.000 I'm just won't be saying them on the air, but I think your, your listeners, are smart enough to draw their own conclusions and ask the right questions.

00:56:54.000 Yeah, you used the word homicide earlier with some of these governors.

00:56:58.000 Is that you want to elaborate on that?

00:57:00.000 I, you know, I didn't come to say that word lightly, but it you know if, what?

00:57:04.000 If it's your mother, your grandmother, and she's in a nursing home and she's 92 years old and she's, you know, basically in okay shape, but she's got a reason to be there, like diabetes or coronary artery disease, and then a governor ships a patient with known covid back to that space and then she gets covered and she dies.

00:57:21.000 How is that not homicide?

00:57:22.000 It's not as if you didn't know that the person that you was sending in a loaded gun.

00:57:27.000 So yes, now I don't think anything will happen because of sovereign immunity.

00:57:31.000 I am a lawyer too, so sovereign immunity, I think, would protect the, the governors, but it was unconscionable.

00:57:37.000 Doctor you, what would interests me is that you're not a political person, you're a doctor.

00:57:42.000 You want what's best for your patients, and that's how you came into it, correct?

00:57:47.000 And so now we have.

00:57:49.000 Could have been, according to you, here 75, 70 to 100 000 people could have been saved, and the death rate might be inflated by 30 percent ish correct, depending on certain.

00:57:58.000 That was.

00:57:59.000 That was.

00:57:59.000 That was speculation.

00:58:00.000 I'll be clear, though, that was we prefaced when we did that.

00:58:03.000 Any closing thoughts, I want Americans to move out of a state of fear.

00:58:09.000 When you're living in a state of fear, you're allowing your civil liberties to be trampled upon, but you're gonna have to live with the consequences of losing your civil liberties long after this has become a distant memory.

00:58:20.000 So if this was warranted it, if this was a very contagious, highly lethal, Lethal illness, you might say it's worth it to limit my civil liberties.

00:58:30.000 But it's not that.

00:58:31.000 There are situations like that.

00:58:32.000 Smallpox would come to mind, right?

00:58:34.000 Polio would sort of maybe come to mind a bit.

00:58:36.000 COVID-19, definitely not.

00:58:38.000 Overwhelmingly, people don't know that they're sick or they're mildly sick or they survive.

00:58:43.000 Overwhelmingly, we should not be living in fear.

00:58:46.000 Absolutely not.

00:58:49.000 And it could destroy our country.

00:58:50.000 It is destroying our country.

00:58:52.000 That's why I'm here. 0.57

00:58:53.000 We will have a mental health crisis manufactured by our own making of young people because we have robbed them of their social development.

00:58:59.000 Face, you're an emergency physician.

00:59:01.000 You study medicine.

00:59:02.000 How important are kids being able to go outside and socialize?

00:59:04.000 I mean, that's not an insignificant thing, right?

00:59:06.000 This is huge.

00:59:07.000 And the mask issue is a real problem for kids, right?

00:59:10.000 Just things maybe you haven't thought about.

00:59:12.000 Kids need to see people's facial expressions to understand the world and learn emotions and learn.

00:59:17.000 Like, that's how they learn.

00:59:18.000 Babies.

00:59:21.000 First of all, I was personally threatened at my work.

00:59:23.000 So I have many stories like that.

00:59:25.000 Many stories.

00:59:26.000 I mean, I didn't even tell you that.

00:59:27.000 Oh, oh, no, for prescribing hydroxychloroquine, for speaking out.

00:59:31.000 It's all over the internet.

00:59:32.000 Doctors who have prescribed it.

00:59:33.000 What I'm saying is the same culture that, and you don't have to say anything about this because I know you're not political. 0.82

00:59:38.000 Same culture that if you dare not post a black square, if you dare not take a knee, if you dare not, in the corporate world, the same thing on medicine, if you dare speak out against. 0.59

00:59:47.000 Yeah, I'll speak very strongly about that, staying away from politics. 0.91

00:59:49.000 There's a medical cancel culture that's as aggressive as the rest of cancel culture.

00:59:54.000 That's supposed to be what's best for the patient.

00:59:56.000 It's horrific.

00:59:57.000 Listen, how did the Lands at New England Journal of Medicine print fraud?

01:00:00.000 How is that possible?

01:00:01.000 You know, I didn't even tell you about the JAMA study.

01:00:03.000 The JAMA study, which said that in Borba back in April, said that hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine would be bad, actually gave lethal doses of the drug.

01:00:11.000 And they didn't blame the lethal doses.

01:00:13.000 They just blamed the drug itself.

01:00:15.000 So the scientific community has also been infected.

01:00:18.000 Scientific community has been infected by this nonsense.

01:00:21.000 By the medical cancel culture.

01:00:23.000 And if you dare disagree, they'll destroy your life.

01:00:25.000 That is correct.

01:00:26.000 That's not science.

01:00:27.000 That's not the scientific method. 0.97

01:00:29.000 This is collectivist fascist nonsense. 0.94

01:00:31.000 Very much. 0.99

01:00:32.000 It'll destroy our country.

01:00:33.000 That's why I'm speaking out.

01:00:34.000 Well, thank you.

01:00:35.000 So it's Dr. Simone Gold.

01:00:36.000 We're actually going to have another really fun, important episode soon.

01:00:40.000 That's all I'm going to say.

01:00:41.000 That sounds good.

01:00:42.000 With other doctors.

01:00:43.000 Yeah.

01:00:43.000 We're just going to tease it, right?

01:00:45.000 Any way they can stay in touch with you or you just want to come up with that.

01:00:48.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 So, you know, I'm here as, you know, we started an organization called America's Frontline Doctors.

01:00:52.000 So we don't feel a need to silence any other doctors, any experts, but there are lots more experts out there that you need to hear from.

01:00:59.000 And that's the frontline doctors who are out there.

01:01:01.000 You said some doctors are wearing scars, other doctors are seeing patients.

01:01:05.000 So America's frontline doctors are coming to talk to you.

01:01:08.000 And you're the ones that are actually supposed to be in your patient's best interest, and you want the ability to do that.

01:01:13.000 Correct.

01:01:14.000 So for everyone listening, just to recap, Dr. Gold here has no agenda except what's best for her patients and for the country.

01:01:20.000 And our country is going in a really dangerous direction because we're being lied to.

01:01:24.000 Not just lied to, it's Orwellian.

01:01:26.000 It's double thing, double speak.

01:01:27.000 Like, oh, old people are at risk. 1.00

01:01:30.000 Let's put all the old people together that are infected. 1.00

01:01:32.000 Young people can't be at risk. 1.00

01:01:32.000 Let's shut down their schools. 1.00

01:01:33.000 It's so incredibly Orwellian.

01:01:36.000 Thank you, Dr. Gold.

01:01:37.000 I'm not optimistic from what you've told me, but people need to fight back.

01:01:41.000 This is a disgrace.

01:01:42.000 We're losing everything that we've created in the West, rational thinking, Socratic dialogue, the Enlightenment.

01:01:48.000 It's now all going to mob identity politics.

01:01:51.000 And I hope we can survive it.

01:01:54.000 Me too.

01:01:55.000 All right.

01:01:55.000 Thank you, Dr. Gold.

01:01:58.000 Wow.

01:01:59.000 What a great interview that was with Dr. Simone Gold.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 22, 2020

The BIG Hydroxychloroquine Lie, Hypnotized by Dr. Fauci, a Medical Deep State, AND MORE with Dr. Simone Gold

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