The Charlie Kirk Show - The Biggest Amfest Ever Begins

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody enjoy this episode become a member members.charliekirk.com that is members.charliekirk.com email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com Charlie what you've done is incredible here.

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00:00:22.000 He's an incredible guy.

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00:01:08.000 We are here live at AmericaFest, AmFest.com.

00:01:12.000 Very special guest right off the top, Steve Bannon.

00:01:14.000 Steve, great to see you.

00:01:15.000 Hey, can we give it up for Charlie Kirk, what he's done here at AmFest?

00:01:19.000 What amazing.

00:01:20.000 Charlie, what size crowd are we anticipating here?

00:01:22.000 Right near 20,000.

00:01:24.000 Now, we don't have 20,000 seats in there, so it's going to be a little bit of a first-come, first-serve.

00:01:29.000 And, you know, we've been trying to tell people, hey, tickets are going to run out.

00:01:31.000 I got an email, oh, Charlie, I'll be fine.

00:01:33.000 I said, I don't think you're going to be fine.

00:01:35.000 But we have President Trump keynoting on Sunday.

00:01:37.000 You're giving one of the keynote addresses tonight alongside Donald Trump Jr. and Tucker Carlson.

00:01:41.000 Can't wait to see the fastball that Steve Bannon brings.

00:01:44.000 It's going to be wild.

00:01:45.000 It's going to be very wild.

00:01:46.000 But I've got to tell you, it's the breakout session.

00:01:49.000 It's the whole package.

00:01:50.000 The week before Christmas, get people here.

00:01:51.000 The weekend before Christmas, you've got so many motivated people.

00:01:55.000 18,000.

00:01:56.000 By the way, War Room can still get it by going to AmFest.com.

00:01:59.000 War Room, you still get your 25%.

00:02:00.000 Charlie's good enough to give us the 25% discount on the first day.

00:02:04.000 All the way through.

00:02:05.000 All the way through.

00:02:06.000 So folks, if you're in the general area, California, anywhere, come on down.

00:02:09.000 You're going to have a great...

00:02:10.000 Plus, there's high energy.

00:02:12.000 We need also to take some time to celebrate.

00:02:16.000 I'm not a big celebration guy.

00:02:17.000 No, either.

00:02:18.000 But with all the firestorm going on, we've got to be able...

00:02:20.000 We're going to have come together to end this historic year.

00:02:23.000 Because, I mean, it has been a decade in the making.

00:02:26.000 This one was harder than 16 in so many different ways.

00:02:29.000 Can you talk about that, Steve?

00:02:31.000 Hold on, I sat in, I think I sat in for Charlie Kirk's first pitch.

00:02:34.000 When Charlie Kirk came with Turning Point, and I sat in for some pretty big donuts, they asked me to sit in, and Charlie's sitting there pitching, and at the time, you're going to take over student government, student government, president, and I go, that's about the wackiest idea I've ever heard.

00:02:48.000 But the energy this guy had, this young man had, and...

00:02:52.000 Make note, you weren't even going to college.

00:02:54.000 I mean, you made a big deal as I had only to do this.

00:02:57.000 And to think of just the arc of where you guys have come, because it was Elon Musk that had everybody's back, but it was the turning point, and you focused on get out the vote with the war room posse in the blue wall.

00:03:10.000 Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, but you focused on Arizona and Pennsylvania, and look at that.

00:03:18.000 You're making Pennsylvania...

00:03:21.000 The new Ohio.

00:03:22.000 That's right.

00:03:22.000 And you're making Arizona the new Florida.

00:03:24.000 We got Cliff Maloney right here from P.A. Chase.

00:03:26.000 And Arizona, though, we can say something Pennsylvania can't say.

00:03:29.000 We were the best performing swing state.

00:03:31.000 And by far, the biggest shift from 2020. On Arizona is unbelievable.

00:03:35.000 Five and a half point victory.

00:03:36.000 And I understand that we were outspent three to one here in Arizona.

00:03:40.000 Kamala Harris just submerged us with television advertisements. 1.00

00:03:43.000 Also, Gallego put in almost $100 million.

00:03:46.000 That's right.

00:03:46.000 It did not help the ecosystem as far as, but Trump still won by five and a half points.

00:03:51.000 It was the best improvement for him, at least the reported total.

00:03:55.000 But you broke their back in Arizona.

00:03:57.000 They put so much money in here, I thought they had it.

00:03:59.000 So much so.

00:04:00.000 I don't want to get too cocky here.

00:04:01.000 It's possible the Democrats start to retreat from the state if we keep this momentum up.

00:04:05.000 You have to remember, go back to 2020. What was it, 10.30 at night or 8.30 out here when Fox called it?

00:04:12.000 I mean, that changed the entire dynamic.

00:04:15.000 And we had to get back to that.

00:04:17.000 But I'll be honest with you.

00:04:18.000 I didn't think, I said, look, if Charlie and these guys can get us back with a two, two and a half point, three point win.

00:04:25.000 Five and a half.

00:04:26.000 Yeah, because, I mean, look, you look at Georgia, that was a 1.8-point victory.

00:04:29.000 North Carolina, 3 points.

00:04:31.000 Pennsylvania, 1.7.

00:04:32.000 Michigan, 1.2.

00:04:34.000 Wisconsin, under 1. Nevada, 3.2.

00:04:36.000 And then Arizona, boom, by far the biggest.

00:04:38.000 And that's a testament to the grassroots, to the ballot chasing.

00:04:40.000 And you guys did such a job.

00:04:43.000 A little bit, Nevada, I think, drafted off that.

00:04:45.000 That's why Nevada, I thought, was going to be 1%.

00:04:46.000 We had staff in Nevada, too.

00:04:48.000 We had ballot chase there, too.

00:04:49.000 But the point being is that what we did in Arizona worked.

00:04:52.000 We're going to celebrate that.

00:04:53.000 And I mentioned on your program, Steve, the president coming here, big deal, going out west, you know, nearly eight hours of flying.

00:04:59.000 Well, it's his first really calm and serious address.

00:05:02.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:05:03.000 In front of an audience.

00:05:04.000 But he told me on the phone, he said, Charlie, I will only come under one condition.

00:05:07.000 It is called a tribute to Arizona.

00:05:10.000 You have to understand that at this very convention center was President Trump's first ever MAGA rally.

00:05:15.000 Oh, I remember.

00:05:16.000 His first ever MAGA rally in 2015 was here in this convention center where Tyler Boyer, our COO, actually hosted it and planned it.

00:05:23.000 And they really, like, are a couple hundred people going to show up?

00:05:26.000 Turned out, like, 2,000 people.

00:05:28.000 The idea of the MAGA rally was birthed in this center.

00:05:31.000 Yes.

00:05:32.000 And now he is coming for his momentous address celebrating the greatest victory in American history.

00:05:38.000 That's when the media actually realized, hey, at first they thought it was Trump coming down, and he was really...

00:05:43.000 Because people were telling me, particularly Ailes and the guys at Senior Fox, they go, look, he's just trying to negotiate a better deal with The Apprentice.

00:05:50.000 This is Trump, the master negotiator.

00:05:52.000 And I go, I don't know about that.

00:05:53.000 It was here in Phoenix, in this very building, when people all of a sudden go...

00:05:57.000 There's over 2,000 people.

00:05:58.000 Well, not just people, but I think the president was like, oh, this thing's huge, right?

00:06:04.000 And can be.

00:06:04.000 And all of a sudden, this new genre of a political event off the cuff.

00:06:08.000 The Trump rally.

00:06:09.000 Was boring.

00:06:10.000 No one thought it was.

00:06:11.000 Because understand, political events before Trump were incredibly sanitized.

00:06:15.000 They were overly rehearsed.

00:06:19.000 They were almost putting on like a theater play, right?

00:06:22.000 Trump was like...

00:06:22.000 Yes, yes.

00:06:23.000 By theater kids.

00:06:24.000 I need a microphone, I need a flag, and a bunch of chairs, and let's go. 0.79

00:06:24.000 Right. 0.79

00:06:28.000 And he did it all across the country.

00:06:30.000 He broke the mold.

00:06:31.000 I think he did over 900 MAGA rallies since 2016, something like that.

00:06:34.000 I need to get the final number, but it's something extraordinary.

00:06:37.000 So, Steve, let's kind of...

00:06:38.000 This will also be the first one that the first MAGA rally, really, when he's not an active candidate, unless we get into the 2020 April, we'll do that.

00:06:47.000 Yeah, so what is your whole theory on that?

00:06:49.000 My whole theory is that first off...

00:06:51.000 What does the Constitution say?

00:06:52.000 Okay, first off, it's weapons-grade trolling.

00:06:55.000 No, but here's the thing.

00:06:57.000 I was out there the other night, and you're an hour and a half.

00:07:01.000 You see, don't get this at AmFest, New York Young Republicans.

00:07:04.000 At AmFest, Charlie runs it.

00:07:06.000 It's high precision.

00:07:07.000 When it says you're going up, maybe a few minutes because of applause or like that, but you're going up.

00:07:13.000 The trains run on time at 30.USA, okay?

00:07:16.000 In New York Young Republic, Gavin Waxrahim, I love you guys, but I'm an hour and a half late going to the stage, and it's 2,000 people, and they've been drinking since 6 o'clock in the afternoon.

00:07:26.000 It feels like a 747 engine you're hitting.

00:07:29.000 So I had a speech about the bond market and everything President Trump had to do, the things that are engulfing Washington, D.C. today.

00:07:36.000 But I had to kind of throw that out and start throwing bombs.

00:07:39.000 But I think it's an open question.

00:07:41.000 It has to be an interpretation.

00:07:42.000 It's just like Elon Musk.

00:07:43.000 You know, people are saying Elon Musk should be Speaker of the House.

00:07:47.000 There's no requirement for anybody to be in Congress.

00:07:52.000 Elon, now there is a question about natural-born citizen because you're number two in succession.

00:07:56.000 Mike Davis says, hey, you just go.

00:07:58.000 Maybe you go to the president pro temp, so that has to be worked out.

00:08:00.000 It's not locked in because it doesn't say consecutive.

00:08:03.000 I think it's an open question.

00:08:05.000 And of course, you see their entire meltdown.

00:08:08.000 I had 100 articles about that.

00:08:10.000 Oh, it was everywhere.

00:08:12.000 The Constitution does say two terms, though, right?

00:08:15.000 Two terms.

00:08:16.000 But to consecutive terms, it's kind of ill-defined, right?

00:08:19.000 It's still ill-defined.

00:08:20.000 You could have consecutive.

00:08:22.000 It's open for interpretation.

00:08:23.000 My favorite headline was, Steve Bannon, MAGA Scholar.

00:08:26.000 Exactly.

00:08:27.000 That was great.

00:08:28.000 So, Steve, now let's get to the immediate, the here and now.

00:08:31.000 I've been planning this event, and this is not me just playing coy.

00:08:34.000 I can't keep up with the CR stuff, right?

00:08:36.000 I mean, it's coming at a high, high pace.

00:08:39.000 The incoming is remarkable.

00:08:41.000 You see the clock here.

00:08:42.000 Let's draw that down.

00:08:44.000 Educate our audience that isn't in the bunker right now.

00:08:47.000 As you know, the Warren Posse and the Charlie Kirk show, we don't like CRs.

00:08:50.000 We like to have 12 appropriations bills, get it done.

00:08:53.000 This is where McCarthy's gone.

00:08:55.000 Johnson, this should have been a layup.

00:08:57.000 This should have been a two-line CR to kick into President Trump's term.

00:09:00.000 We would agree to that.

00:09:01.000 Or you add $10 billion for the farmers, some money for the FEMA, and you get on with it.

00:09:09.000 Johnson didn't tell Elon, didn't tell Vivek, didn't tell President Trump, he went to the UFC, he went to the Army-Navy game, never told him 1,500 pages, all Democrat.

00:09:18.000 It's not acceptable.

00:09:19.000 They're up there thinking something else.

00:09:21.000 We just have to...

00:09:22.000 And look, folks, it's going to be a little messy because what the country's in, you've got wars in Ukraine, wars in the Middle East, deportations on the border.

00:09:30.000 We're going to try to get this to be a close-run thing.

00:09:33.000 We're going to help here at AmFest over the next couple of days of the breakout session, get everybody up to speed.

00:09:39.000 I have more to say about this.

00:09:40.000 Labor right now, President Trump's throwing in the debt ceiling.

00:09:42.000 That's a little gasoline on the fire.

00:09:44.000 But Steve, what is the ask?

00:09:47.000 What is a result out of this Congress that we can stomach?

00:09:50.000 Not the ideal.

00:09:51.000 You and I want 12 approved spills.

00:09:52.000 We want real spending.

00:09:53.000 That's not going to happen in this session.

00:09:56.000 But what can we tolerate?

00:09:57.000 I'd like just to shut it down.

00:09:59.000 Go home.

00:09:59.000 I know, but what is something we could tolerate?

00:10:01.000 Well, I think the most we could tolerate is some money for the farmers, desperate, you know, a couple of billion dollars for the farmer to bridge him into President Trump, a couple of billion dollars for whatever FEMA needs to do now if there's not money there, and then sign it and kick it into President Trump's, and then next Congress.

00:10:15.000 And I think there is wisdom to this idea that Trump should not inherit the dysfunction of this Congress.

00:10:21.000 Yes.

00:10:21.000 A clean slate, right?

00:10:22.000 Yes.

00:10:22.000 And I don't like talking like that, but Trump day one should not have to fix the problem of this madness.

00:10:29.000 Okay, so Steve, some people are talking.

00:10:32.000 I think you might have said motion to vacate on this new speaker's race because we got to get through this and hopefully we can get debt ceiling CR together.

00:10:39.000 The reason I think the president is wise to push the debt ceiling is that he doesn't want Schumer to be able to have leverage with him in future months.

00:10:47.000 Now, do you think it's time that we get a new speaker?

00:10:51.000 It's not even a question.

00:10:51.000 100%.

00:10:52.000 Look, Johnson...

00:10:53.000 And I got a lot of grief early yesterday morning behind the scenes because people told me, oh, President Trump loves Johnson.

00:10:58.000 President Trump's got Johnson's back.

00:11:00.000 I said, hey, as soon as he sees the performance, I know Trump.

00:11:00.000 Don't do this.

00:11:03.000 Trump's about performance.

00:11:05.000 This thing's a fiasco.

00:11:06.000 Here's what upsets me.

00:11:07.000 He was with...

00:11:09.000 Vivek and Elon, who have been doing a ton of work.

00:11:11.000 They came to Capitol Hill.

00:11:13.000 They made a presentation.

00:11:14.000 He was with them then.

00:11:15.000 He was with them at the UFC fight.

00:11:16.000 This is Johnson.

00:11:17.000 He went to the Army-Navy game with President Trump and Vivek and Elon.

00:11:22.000 So these are three or four times he's there.

00:11:24.000 Nobody had any idea it was a 1,500-page document that was highly negotiated.

00:11:30.000 And the giveaways to the Democrats, I mean, obviously, Hakeem Jeffries got two-thirds to 75 percent.

00:11:35.000 So he was negotiating this in secret?

00:11:37.000 Is that the implication?

00:11:39.000 In secret over at least the last six weeks.

00:11:41.000 And he lied about it.

00:11:42.000 He came on Fox and said, hey, you know, it was a simple bill, one page until some, you know, acts of God happened with the hurricane and about the farmers.

00:11:53.000 And that's It's not true.

00:11:54.000 If you just look at it, he had every opportunity, including at midnight on the first day they released it in the evening.

00:12:00.000 At midnight, he tells Fox he was on the phone with Vivek and Elon.

00:12:04.000 He didn't even walk him through it.

00:12:05.000 He made all kinds of excuses.

00:12:06.000 Then, as they spent overnight, Elon was up at 4 o'clock in the morning or 4.30 dropping bombs on this thing as he went through this and said, so, look.

00:12:16.000 We have to have somebody that has leadership and courage and can be straightforward.

00:12:21.000 President Trump, this next, and this is why I tried to give the speech on Sunday night about the bond market.

00:12:26.000 If you look at the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, if you look at the deportations, the border, everything has to happen there.

00:12:33.000 The one in the middle.

00:12:34.000 To get the economy right, to get this debt right, to get all the cuts he wants to make, to get Dozier's thing.

00:12:42.000 That is so complicated.

00:12:43.000 You have to line up and go down with OMB, the Secretary of Treasury, the National Economic The Speaker has to be, and his team have to be hardwired into that, because as the Constitution tells us, all taxes, by the way, the taxes, all taxes, revenue generation comes from the House, and all spending comes from the House, and only the House.

00:13:06.000 This is why the Speaker, Johnson's just not up to his task.

00:13:09.000 This is not personal.

00:13:10.000 He's just not up to the task.

00:13:12.000 And you see this thing about Liz Cheney and Loudermilk sending this criminal referral to FBI. That committee should have been dealt with A year ago or a year and a half ago, we should have done the whole J6 on anything you can look at.

00:13:24.000 It just hasn't been good enough.

00:13:26.000 We need the best team there.

00:13:27.000 And people are saying, Elon Musk, hey, I'm comfortable with anybody that the Congress and President Trump supports.

00:13:33.000 If it's Elon Musk, it's Elon Musk.

00:13:35.000 If it's Jim Jordan, it's Jim Jordan.

00:13:37.000 Whoever it's got to be, it's got to be.

00:13:39.000 We just got to get on with it and make sure that we're tight.

00:13:41.000 I want who the president wants.

00:13:43.000 It's that simple.

00:13:44.000 And so the negotiation right now should be very simple.

00:13:50.000 CR, debt ceiling, but not a boondongle CR, right?

00:13:54.000 How do we get to the place with BioLabs in Ukraine?

00:13:58.000 No, it's ridiculous.

00:13:59.000 A CR should either be two lines, or the alternative would be two lines.

00:14:05.000 You add a couple of billion dollars for the farmers just to bridge them, and a couple of billion dollars for FEMA, and then a two-year, if President Trump wants a two-year runway on the debt ceiling, you give him two years.

00:14:14.000 The way that it was presented is that this was like a last-minute rush deal, but you read it, this has been negotiated intimately.

00:14:20.000 No, we had three or four months of this in September.

00:14:23.000 But hold on, if the debt...

00:14:26.000 It's somewhat evidently dead, but if all the Democrats vote for this and a couple Republicans, this bad CR could still pass.

00:14:33.000 This could, but I think right now they've pulled it.

00:14:36.000 The bad CR they pulled, yes.

00:14:38.000 It's too much.

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00:15:27.000 Who then could possibly replace Jordan?

00:15:31.000 Because we can't just go without a plan.

00:15:32.000 You mean Johnson.

00:15:34.000 Jim Jordan.

00:15:35.000 Or Elon Musk.

00:15:37.000 I agree with you.

00:15:38.000 Look, the president got shot in the head and four months later won a landslide victory, a sweeping victory.

00:15:44.000 Held the House, took the Senate, took the White House.

00:15:47.000 To me, he gets the team.

00:15:48.000 That's why I'm very upset that Gates stepped down, but you got Hegseth, the rest of his team.

00:15:53.000 We have to have their back.

00:15:54.000 The war on Posse has done an amazing job of fixed band as your show has to every day, having their back, making sure that he gets the team.

00:16:02.000 I also think on the speaker, it's what President Trump thinks.

00:16:05.000 You know, he was a Johnson guy, but it's about performance.

00:16:08.000 And what he had not seen that early in the morning was what a fiasco this was.

00:16:13.000 I knew he'd sit there and go, hey.

00:16:15.000 Now, he has said, if Johnson mans up, right, and shows some leadership, shows some discipline, which heretofore we haven't seen.

00:16:23.000 President Trump, I have his backup.

00:16:24.000 That's what President Trump...

00:16:26.000 Obviously, the war room will go with it and have his back.

00:16:29.000 We will give him our un-expugated opinion about what we think and who we think.

00:16:32.000 I think Jim Jordan will be terrific.

00:16:34.000 If Elon Musk, if the president wants Elon Musk, let's try it and see what the constitutional scholars say because, you know, the Speaker of the House Is, I think, obviously much more powerful than the Senate pro tem and much more powerful than the Vice President.

00:16:50.000 It is the number two most powerful.

00:16:52.000 Nancy Pelosi showed you this.

00:16:55.000 It's in direct succession to the presidency.

00:16:57.000 It's number two.

00:16:58.000 Obviously, you have to be a natural-born citizen to have that.

00:17:02.000 But Mike Davis tells me, hey, you could just skip Elon if anything happened to the president or the VP, and we could get on with it.

00:17:08.000 So I think it's what President Trump wants.

00:17:09.000 But I think that is, right now we have to get through this.

00:17:13.000 And I'm very comfortable with the government shutting down and just waiting until President Trump shows up in January to get this done.

00:17:18.000 It'll be messier, but President Trump can sort it out.

00:17:21.000 But the speaker's race happens on the 3rd of January.

00:17:24.000 They come back on the 2nd.

00:17:26.000 One of the first things they do.

00:17:27.000 They swear in and then they roll.

00:17:30.000 So this needs to get sorted out pretty quickly.

00:17:32.000 What is your message then also?

00:17:33.000 You have some segments on Bill Cassidy, some of these other people that deserve primaries.

00:17:38.000 100%.

00:17:38.000 If you're right now messing around, and some of these guys, Cassidy's been terrible.

00:17:42.000 He voted for impeachment.

00:17:44.000 I mean, he's a dead man walking politically anyway.

00:17:46.000 But some of these people, they're coming out.

00:17:48.000 And not just that.

00:17:49.000 It's not even coming out and saying, I'm not voting for him.

00:17:52.000 Leaking after the meetings, like they said on Gates.

00:17:54.000 Gates already committed to not going after Tony Fauci, not going after NBC, not going after Liz Cheney on just regular investigations.

00:18:03.000 The folks up there got to understand this has got to be a tight run thing.

00:18:07.000 We're going to get everybody through.

00:18:09.000 All these people deserve it.

00:18:10.000 It's an incredible team.

00:18:11.000 For those leaking, you know, eventually there's going to be a lot of primary trials for people in cycle.

00:18:16.000 So the Tom Tillises, you saw Joni Ernst was a perfect example.

00:18:20.000 Folks got to understand people at home are watching and although we won this huge victory, we're not a huge celebration crowd like you.

00:18:27.000 I have to force myself to celebrate.

00:18:29.000 People are already in now wanting the details of what's going on, and they're already thinking downrange of the primaries in 2026. Isn't it a little bit encouraging, though, Steve?

00:18:41.000 I mean, the CR is super frustrating, that we were able to kill it so quickly.

00:18:44.000 Would that have been the case eight years ago or even a decade ago?

00:18:47.000 Can you speak to that really quick?

00:18:48.000 No, it would have gone through.

00:18:49.000 This is the new ecosystem.

00:18:52.000 Look, this is what the change...

00:18:53.000 The mainstream media is now...

00:18:55.000 Can't throw a punch, right?

00:18:56.000 But even the old classic conservative, just Fox News, everybody trying to get on there, it doesn't work.

00:19:02.000 You know, with all the different venues, when you have Turning Point, your show, your podcast, your radio show, all of it, this audience, Here's what they're thirsty for.

00:19:12.000 Inside baseball, details, and they'll show up and do the work.

00:19:15.000 But to do the work, they want to feel like they're part of it, and they are part of it.

00:19:18.000 So the ecosystem on the right, and I might add the far right, is now driving the conversation.

00:19:23.000 This thing was dead in a couple hours, and today you're hearing snarky, anonymous quotes saying, well, you know, Elon Musk are these, you know, the right-wingers are Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon.

00:19:33.000 They don't get to tell us.

00:19:35.000 And I just say, put your name on that.

00:19:37.000 Just put your name on that and we'll see how it turns out.

00:19:39.000 Stand up and be counted.

00:19:40.000 Stand up and be counted.

00:19:41.000 I love when these eight anonymous senators say they're going to vote against Tulsi.

00:19:45.000 What are your names, actually?

00:19:46.000 Tell us.

00:19:46.000 Exactly.

00:19:47.000 Tulsi's so fantastic.

00:19:48.000 By the way, that's going to be a big fight.

00:19:50.000 Big fight.

00:19:51.000 Big fight.

00:19:52.000 I think Tulsi, Bobby, I think Heg says, I think he's on a glide path.

00:19:56.000 I think Cash is on a glide path.

00:19:57.000 I agree.

00:19:57.000 I think Pete is on a glide path.

00:20:00.000 They're going to go all in on Bobby and Tulsi.

00:20:01.000 Tulsi, 100%.

00:20:02.000 I've always said this and people disagreed.

00:20:05.000 The keeper of secrets is not something they're going to hand over to Tulsi Gabbard.

00:20:08.000 Exactly.

00:20:09.000 Right?

00:20:10.000 Hegs said they think they can manage him.

00:20:11.000 They think they can put him in time.

00:20:12.000 Tulsi's too aligned with us.

00:20:14.000 I know, but think about it.

00:20:15.000 If you actually read the charter of the DNI, it supersedes the CIA. Big time.

00:20:20.000 Well, the CIA reports to it.

00:20:21.000 No one's ever used that power, though.

00:20:23.000 It's always kind of been like, okay, you're at liberty.

00:20:25.000 And that's arrest.

00:20:26.000 People have to understand the FBI and CIA are in every aspect of our government.

00:20:30.000 That's the deep state controlling the administrative state. 0.98

00:20:33.000 Steve, thanks so much to you tonight.

00:20:35.000 Everybody, give it up for Steve Bannon.

00:20:36.000 Thank you, guys.

00:20:37.000 I'll see you later.

00:20:38.000 I'll be back here this afternoon.

00:20:40.000 Thanks.

00:20:41.000 Joining us now is Cliff Maloney, my man Cliff, from pachase.com.

00:20:47.000 Cliff, so much to discuss.

00:20:49.000 What is going on in the great state of Pennsylvania?

00:20:52.000 You know, we're happy in Pennsylvania.

00:20:53.000 We should be happy across America.

00:20:55.000 We got Donald Trump going back to the White House.

00:20:58.000 We got your Ducks undefeated.

00:21:00.000 Undefeated.

00:21:01.000 My Birds.

00:21:02.000 My Birds.

00:21:03.000 Ten wins in a row.

00:21:05.000 Franchise record.

00:21:06.000 And America, if you didn't know, Charlie, we're back-to-back World War champions.

00:21:06.000 Is that right?

00:21:10.000 Things are very good.

00:21:11.000 This is the Golden Age, folks.

00:21:12.000 And we're going to avoid World War III. Amen.

00:21:15.000 So Cliff, I think this will be instructive.

00:21:19.000 Walk us through now the analysis of what happened in Pennsylvania.

00:21:23.000 Can we get a map of Pennsylvania of the election results?

00:21:26.000 Because a lot of what we were talking about, we had you on the show beforehand, what we have to do.

00:21:30.000 We had you on the show during, when we were counting votes, what we think was happening.

00:21:33.000 But the dust has settled yesterday.

00:21:35.000 They signed the certificate.

00:21:37.000 All of Pennsylvania's how many electoral votes?

00:21:39.000 19. 19 electoral votes for Pennsylvania went for Donald J. Trump.

00:21:44.000 What happened?

00:21:45.000 Walk us through region by region.

00:21:47.000 Educate the audience on this remarkable and historic win.

00:21:50.000 Yeah, well, let's start with how we got involved.

00:21:52.000 So I always have to give you this credit, Charlie, because very few people understood the idea of these Trump supporters becoming Trump voters, which Turning Point Action is just championed and led on for a year, if not longer.

00:22:06.000 And so this idea that we have to hit low propensity, you came to me, Tyler came to me and said, hey, listen, Pennsylvania is a mammoth.

00:22:13.000 We're owning Arizona.

00:22:14.000 We're owning Wisconsin.

00:22:16.000 Can you guys take your door knocking apparatus and just we'll help with infrastructure, we'll help with data and just double down and do what we're doing in these states?

00:22:25.000 So in Pennsylvania, the problem was in 2020, right, we weren't adapting to the rules.

00:22:30.000 We weren't out there chasing ballots and talking to these low propensity folks to request and to get people in.

00:22:36.000 So if you guys look here at the map, I mean, now that's a beautiful map.

00:22:40.000 I gotta be honest, that is a beautiful map.

00:22:42.000 So how much did we lose Center County by?

00:22:44.000 It was less than a thousand bucks.

00:22:45.000 Are you kidding me?

00:22:46.000 It was so tight, Charlie.

00:22:47.000 Do you understand how much more beautiful that map would be?

00:22:51.000 Let me explain Center County and give Charlie a shout out here.

00:22:53.000 That's my obsession.

00:22:54.000 That was like the heat-seeking missile.

00:22:57.000 So Center County, Penn State University, Charlie goes out there, does a barn burner event, he's tossing MAGA hats, registers all these voters at Pennsylvania State University.

00:23:08.000 I gotta give the specifics.

00:23:09.000 So there's a state house race.

00:23:11.000 Therese Holland, great patriot.

00:23:12.000 Nobody said she could win.

00:23:13.000 Okay, that seat was lost by 14 or 15 points in the previous election cycle.

00:23:18.000 You guys do the events.

00:23:20.000 You register the voters.

00:23:21.000 We chase the votes.

00:23:23.000 Loses by a half a percentage.

00:23:25.000 We flipped it.

00:23:26.000 14 points, Charlie.

00:23:27.000 I'm going to be back.

00:23:28.000 Keep that map up on screen.

00:23:30.000 So, Center County is the home of, obviously, Penn State, as you mentioned.

00:23:33.000 It's a monster county.

00:23:35.000 And traditionally, it is a D plus 10. 10 or 15. 10 or 15. And again, this is the story of Turning Point Action on the ground.

00:23:44.000 I was like, Cliff, I think we could win Center County or lose by less.

00:23:47.000 We're going to get it one of these years.

00:23:49.000 We're going to win Center County.

00:23:50.000 And we had 5,000 students show up to just one of our events at Penn State University.

00:23:55.000 I told your wife Erica this.

00:23:57.000 I said, I hope you don't mind.

00:23:58.000 I'm going to need Charlie every single week in Pennsylvania in a swing county doing these events because it does have such an impact with the registration.

00:24:07.000 So anyway, back to the map.

00:24:08.000 You know, obviously Allegheny County, Philadelphia County.

00:24:11.000 Is the blue in the southwest, the bottom left of your corner.

00:24:16.000 That's Allegheny.

00:24:16.000 And then you see Philadelphia County.

00:24:18.000 I told you he was going to win Erie.

00:24:18.000 He won Erie.

00:24:20.000 Listen, you did, and we worked hard.

00:24:22.000 I was not always a believer, but we did pull off Erie, which was huge.

00:24:25.000 And major, major ramifications there were the state senate seat that we were able to hold in Erie County.

00:24:31.000 But then if you look southeastern PA, you got Philadelphia and the Collar Counties.

00:24:37.000 The Democrats lost, not only because we turned out Trump supporters and made them Trump voters, but man, was there no joy for Kamala Harris.

00:24:46.000 And black men, Charlie, I'm telling you, we have done door knocking for a while.

00:24:50.000 I have never seen black men so, one, excited for Donald Trump, and two, absolutely loathe Kamala Harris's policies.

00:24:59.000 I want to celebrate what you guys did at P.A. Chase, but emphasize it even more.

00:25:03.000 Because the election results actually were a little bit closer in the final tally than I think people will really realize.

00:25:10.000 I mean, the final margin was 120,000 votes.

00:25:15.000 How many votes were you guys responsible for at P.A. Chase?

00:25:18.000 And I'm trying to build you up here because there's this belief it was a landslide would have happened automatically.

00:25:23.000 I don't buy into that premise.

00:25:25.000 So we knocked on 510,000 doors.

00:25:28.000 That's unbelievable.

00:25:28.000 And our objective from the start was to knock 500,000.

00:25:33.000 But Charlie, you've always said this, and I respect it so much.

00:25:36.000 Action is just action.

00:25:37.000 Right?

00:25:39.000 Don't confuse activity with results.

00:25:41.000 Correct.

00:25:41.000 That is one of the Ten Commandments of Turning Point Action.

00:25:44.000 And so we said, all right, well, how are we going to measure our success with what we're doing?

00:25:48.000 Because if we just go out there and knock 500,000 doors, yes, it's a great accomplishment, but how are you measuring what you're doing?

00:25:54.000 Right.

00:25:54.000 You have to win.

00:25:55.000 And so we looked at the roll mail-in vote and said, do we want to just say, hey, what is the Republican result from 2020 compared to 24?

00:26:04.000 We said, you know, it's a little tough because you had COVID. You had all that hype and fear.

00:26:08.000 Both Democrats and Republicans were expected to go down.

00:26:11.000 And so when we launched PHAs, we said, hey, let's do a percentage of the total amount Democrat mail-in for Harris versus Trump's mail-in.

00:26:20.000 And so we said 33%.

00:26:22.000 We modeled it out.

00:26:24.000 Trump could win with 30%, but 33%, and we think it's a resounding victory that pulls Dave McCormick across the finish line.

00:26:32.000 Final results, Trump versus Harris.

00:26:35.000 Donald Trump received 34.5% of the mail-in vote.

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00:27:40.000 This is Game Changer, everybody.

00:27:41.000 Let's get those results up on screen again.

00:27:43.000 It's 120,000 votes.

00:27:45.000 And McCormick was like 16,000 votes.

00:27:47.000 I can proclaim to you right now, we do not have 53 Senate seats, and Trump's cabinet would be in jeopardy, and it would not be Senator Dave McCormick without Cliff Maloney at P.A. Chase.

00:27:58.000 I can say that.

00:27:59.000 And I could even go as far to say on the McCormick less on Trump, I think Turning Point played a big role in the McCormick.

00:28:04.000 I think us together, it's bulletproof, right?

00:28:06.000 That you are looking at Senator Dave McCormick, and he's been very gracious, by the way.

00:28:10.000 I mean, he's...

00:28:11.000 And you got a rock star, Noah Formica.

00:28:13.000 You better hold on to that kid for a while.

00:28:14.000 We gotta get Noah on the show.

00:28:16.000 That guy is unbelievable.

00:28:18.000 No, seriously.

00:28:18.000 I mean, we obviously chased it all, but him, Scott Pressler, the whole Turning Point team registering voters was just a huge one-two punch in the state.

00:28:27.000 But Charlie, once again, we knocked 510,000 doors to only win by 120,000.

00:28:32.000 Yes, it was a resounding win.

00:28:34.000 But yeah, I would say, you know, if you look at the math, we talked to about 200, 225,000 people directly at the door.

00:28:42.000 And when you win the state by 120,000, you got to get excited about the result.

00:28:47.000 So the idea or the big picture vision, can we turn Pennsylvania into Ohio?

00:28:53.000 Is that in the cards?

00:28:56.000 Can we duplicate this?

00:28:57.000 Can we replicate this?

00:28:58.000 The reason I think yes is less about data.

00:29:01.000 It's how Fetterman is acting.

00:29:03.000 Fetterman is acting like he's representing a red state.

00:29:07.000 Can we turn this into the new Ohio?

00:29:10.000 Yes.

00:29:11.000 I don't want to announce anything too soon.

00:29:13.000 We've got some things coming in January.

00:29:16.000 We are going to relaunch, and we're going to really have some concrete goals for 25. And the messaging campaign, Make Pennsylvania Ohio, is not great.

00:29:24.000 That's not exactly going to fire up the...

00:29:26.000 We'll just make Pennsylvania the red wall.

00:29:28.000 We'll take their verbiage and use it.

00:29:30.000 That turnpike rivalry, you're going to have riots. 1.00

00:29:32.000 But I do think, I mean, the thing about Pennsylvania, it's not a state where you're trying to create new voters.

00:29:37.000 We have Trump supporters, right?

00:29:39.000 We just have to continue to make those America first supporters voters and consistent voters, not just one out of fours, not only showing up when Trump's on the ballot.

00:29:49.000 I think we do that work.

00:29:50.000 You've got my word.

00:29:51.000 We're going to triple down in PA and we're going to make a red wall.

00:29:54.000 And so what does that look like?

00:29:56.000 Let's talk about House of Representatives.

00:29:57.000 Where's the low-hanging fruit in the U.S. House?

00:30:01.000 Is Conor Lamb still in there?

00:30:02.000 How is that Sean Parnell district?

00:30:04.000 That's what I always think of it as, colloquially.

00:30:06.000 Is that still Democrat-controlled?

00:30:08.000 Yes, but you guys put out a really good, like the top 10 swing districts expected for 26. Three of them are in Pennsylvania, nationally.

00:30:15.000 It's the three that we won this cycle.

00:30:17.000 So seven and eight we flipped with Bresnahan and McKenzie, took Democrats out.

00:30:22.000 Scott Perry, obviously our number one patriot in Pennsylvania, 10th district.

00:30:27.000 So those are going to be the three strongholds.

00:30:30.000 Charlie, the Democrats have already announced Shapiro is going to have people in those districts January 1 of 2025. So let me get this straight, though.

00:30:38.000 They don't rest.

00:30:39.000 So we flipped two districts in Pennsylvania, and we still only have a couple-seat majority.

00:30:43.000 So without what you did in Pennsylvania, we have Speaker Hakeem Jeffries.

00:30:46.000 Correct.

00:30:48.000 It's amazing.

00:30:48.000 Correct.

00:30:49.000 And it's funny because when you target and you focus in a lot of these districts, I mean, these races were all won by about a percentage.

00:30:56.000 A percentage.

00:30:57.000 Scott Perry won by 1%, less than a percent.

00:31:00.000 And so it's really cool when you're an activist on the ground, you know this from all the thousands of activists, hundreds of thousands of activists you guys have.

00:31:07.000 To see that look in their eye on election night, Charlie, it is an amazing experience when they know they made the difference for such a huge win.

00:31:15.000 So you have a breakout here, I think.

00:31:16.000 You're doing something here.

00:31:17.000 What is your message to the grassroots?

00:31:19.000 Because there's millions of people at home saying, Charlie, I wish I could go to AmFest.

00:31:22.000 I wish I could go to AmFest.

00:31:24.000 What is your message to somebody watching right now that is celebrating Trump's win?

00:31:28.000 What are the marching orders in 2025?

00:31:30.000 Because if we seize 2025, we are going to be able to defray any sort of Democrat counterattack in 26. Number one, permanent infrastructure, right?

00:31:40.000 If you're an activist out there, the battle has been won, but the war has just begun, right?

00:31:45.000 We have to triple down, get involved with Turning Point, get involved with a local chapter, come work with us to Doorknock.

00:31:52.000 The idea that we can now go home, I mean, what an amazing thing just happened on X to be able to shut down a continuing resolution.

00:31:59.000 Charlie, that never happens.

00:32:01.000 I mean, you and I have seen these CRs and CRs for quite some time, and now we finally have a counter.

00:32:07.000 It is the first time in probably 100 years the establishment's playbook has a defense.

00:32:13.000 And that defense is instead of just delay, delay, delay, oh, Christmas time, we have to vote.

00:32:18.000 Now it's, wait a second, we're going to analyze this bill in 30 seconds using AI and call out the rhino swamp creatures.

00:32:26.000 I don't think I've ever seen anything like that.

00:32:28.000 So we are in a new era here.

00:32:29.000 The battle is won, but the war has just begun.

00:32:33.000 That's my message to the grassroots.

00:32:35.000 Keep up the fight.

00:32:36.000 My man Cliff.

00:32:37.000 And Cliff will always be in the legendary, the legends of Turning Point for being, leaning into...

00:32:45.000 Remember this moment.

00:32:46.000 That's right.

00:32:46.000 The Al Michaels, miracles do happen moment.

00:32:50.000 I'm telling you, it is, do you believe in miracles?

00:32:52.000 It's Al Michaels right there.

00:32:54.000 It's just, there's no escaping it.

00:32:55.000 It's like, everyone gets me, he's like, who is that guy narrating it?

00:32:58.000 I said, well, he actually did a lot of work.

00:32:59.000 Cliff, you're the best.

00:33:00.000 Appreciate you, Charlie.

00:33:00.000 Thanks so much.

00:33:01.000 Okay, we have James O'Keefe here.

00:33:02.000 James, great to see you, my friend.

00:33:03.000 Charlie.

00:33:04.000 How are you doing?

00:33:05.000 You've had a great year.

00:33:05.000 Great.

00:33:06.000 You had some really good stories.

00:33:08.000 I know 2023 was tough for you.

00:33:09.000 It's all public, you know.

00:33:11.000 But how was 2024 for you?

00:33:13.000 Well, it was great.

00:33:14.000 You know, we have, right now, we have whistleblowers inside the government that are very excited to come forward.

00:33:18.000 They feel like there's a new dawn of a new era.

00:33:21.000 And with this new administration, I think maybe they'll be protected.

00:33:24.000 We'll see.

00:33:25.000 And then we also have people in the deep state we're exposing right now.

00:33:27.000 So that's an interesting point.

00:33:29.000 So can the president, by executive order, or at least instruct his DOJ to expand whistleblower protections?

00:33:35.000 I think the executive branch of government can be helpful to ensure they're not retaliated against.

00:33:41.000 So if there was maybe a memorandum signed on the first couple of days, theoretically, and the president says there will be amnesty given, no retaliation to any whistleblower of things you saw during the Biden administration, and he proclaims that, could you imagine the incoming?

00:33:58.000 I mean, based on your reporting, what would that result in?

00:34:02.000 I think it's going to result in 10x, 100x more people coming forward and commitments from the heads of these agencies, some of whom I've had conversations with, and they're going to fire anybody who retaliates against that person.

00:34:14.000 Also, I think the capacity for reform is going to encourage more people to come forward.

00:34:18.000 In fact, we should do the opposite.

00:34:20.000 We should incentivize whistleblowing.

00:34:22.000 Now, we don't want to get into a place where you're tattling because your boss was mean to you. 0.71

00:34:26.000 Can you differentiate?

00:34:26.000 Correct.

00:34:28.000 That's a very important distinction.

00:34:29.000 I think people who are witness to crimes, corruption, like, for example, the IRS, if you've seen people targeted because of their politics, that's illegal.

00:34:39.000 If you have evidence of that, incontrovertible video recordings or images, that's what we're looking for.

00:34:45.000 So talk about some of your recent reporting that you have found.

00:34:47.000 You had a guy on the National Security Council who basically said Biden is a corpse.

00:34:51.000 Am I correct?

00:34:52.000 Yes.

00:34:52.000 He said Biden is dead.

00:34:53.000 This guy's the...

00:34:54.000 He's a former spy, National Security Council at the White House.

00:35:00.000 Worst espionage ever.

00:35:01.000 A lot of deep state actors in the government, Charlie.

00:35:04.000 If you're one of the good guys, blow the whistle.

00:35:06.000 If you're one of the bad guys, you might be on a date with one of my swipers.

00:35:10.000 Let's play Cut 91. This is Harry Appel, part of the NSC. I hope you guys understand, this is not some sort of dog-catching enterprise in D.C. The NSC, this is the President's personal national security apparatus.

00:35:24.000 It's not Senate confirmed.

00:35:25.000 It works straight out of the White House.

00:35:27.000 This is not even Pentagon.

00:35:28.000 This, in some ways, has a direct connection to the Commander-in-Chief.

00:35:32.000 Do we know this guy's title at the NSC? He's an advisor to the National Security Council.

00:35:36.000 Okay, that's a big deal.

00:35:37.000 There's only 50 or 60 people that work in the NSC. In fact, everyone in DOD wants to one day become a National Security Council advisor.

00:35:44.000 Playcut 91. Well, here's some tea.

00:35:47.000 Joe Biden is, like, dead.

00:35:51.000 He, like, can't just say something.

00:35:54.000 He's, like, really, like, progressed in his old age.

00:36:00.000 Everybody recognize him.

00:36:02.000 I can't believe it wasn't a bigger scandal.

00:36:04.000 He'll be dead in a year.

00:36:06.000 So, for those that couldn't hear, can you transcribe that for us?

00:36:10.000 He was saying that Biden is dead, quote, dead, and can't complete a sentence.

00:36:15.000 And then he says he's concerned that Trump is going to come after them.

00:36:18.000 I say, maybe they should come after them, because you work for the National Security Council, and you're talking in a public restaurant to a stranger.

00:36:25.000 The Wall Street Journal says how the White House functioned with a diminished Biden in charge.

00:36:29.000 That's a nicer way to harmonize with your reporting.

00:36:33.000 By the way, This is the power of James O'Keefe.

00:36:35.000 James O'Keefe comes out with this story and then creates the intellectual permission for the Wall Street Journal to write that.

00:36:40.000 Have you seen that pattern before, James?

00:36:40.000 That's right.

00:36:42.000 I think they're, you know, they're not willing to do what I do, but, I mean, none of this shocks people.

00:36:47.000 It's not surprising, but it's confirming, Charlie.

00:36:50.000 And like I said, 2025, the year of the whistleblower.

00:36:53.000 If you're a good guy, come forward.

00:36:54.000 If you're a bad guy, be careful.

00:36:56.000 I'm going to get to work on this.

00:36:57.000 I think I'm going to...

00:36:59.000 Tell the president and his team, we need to have a 90-day whistleblower amnesty program.

00:37:04.000 And James, is your team prepared to have the incoming?

00:37:08.000 Yeah, I have a 5.1c3 Citizen Journalism Foundation.

00:37:11.000 We're going to pay their legal bills.

00:37:12.000 How do people support that?

00:37:13.000 Well, it's citizenjournalismfoundation.com.

00:37:16.000 It's a 5.1c3.

00:37:17.000 We're going to pay their legal bills, give them money in case there's retribution.

00:37:20.000 And I think, Charlie, exactly that.

00:37:22.000 The executive branch of government, if there's any way that they can be protected, because congressional whistleblower, they don't really enforce that.

00:37:29.000 So I think there's an opportunity right now to have their backs and have them come forward.

00:37:33.000 I love that.

00:37:34.000 So the 90-day, just theoretical, you have 90 days to report all crimes, corruption.

00:37:40.000 And again, if you're going to just be like, well, you know, this guy misgendered me.

00:37:44.000 Okay, thanks so much.

00:37:44.000 That's not whistleblowing, okay?

00:37:46.000 We're going to talk about, hey, for example, Border Patrol knew that kids were being smuggled and they didn't do anything about it.

00:37:52.000 Correct.

00:37:52.000 And on your stage tomorrow, I'm going on stage, I'm going to bring a few of these people out, federal whistleblowers, you're going to meet them here.

00:37:58.000 I love this, James.

00:37:59.000 I think that your emphasis, your focus, your life's work has been in and around this idea of courageous truth-tellers, but the description of whistleblowers looking retroactively at an outgoing, unpopular, treasonous and criminal regime...

00:38:13.000 James, I think you could reform government for a generation.

00:38:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:18.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 19, 2024

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