The Charlie Kirk Show - The Biggest Event in American History

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 Taylor Swift is engaged.

00:00:05.000 Oh, we have a lot of thoughts.

00:00:07.000 Daisy is screaming.

00:00:08.000 She's screaming quite loud.

00:00:10.000 And then Katie Miller and Jeremy Carl join us.

00:00:12.000 We talk about visas.

00:00:14.000 Should we allow Chinese students into our country? 1.00

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00:00:29.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:31.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:33.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:37.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, House, folks.

00:00:40.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:41.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:42.000 His spirit, his love for this country.

00:00:44.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:50.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:59.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:03.000 Joining us now is a good friend of mine and host of the Katie Miller podcast.

00:01:08.000 It is Katie Miller.

00:01:09.000 Katie, great to see you.

00:01:11.000 Thank you for joining the show.

00:01:12.000 Congratulations on your podcast., we're in our third episode.

00:01:20.000 Last night, we released at 6 p.m.

00:01:21.000 Katie Boy Britt, the U.S. Senate's youngest female senator.

00:01:25.000 She talks a lot about what life is like in the Senate.

00:01:28.000 It's very lonely going from being a staffer to a senator, she says.

00:01:32.000 She also talks a lot about being sorority recruitment chair and sorority president of the University of Alabama.

00:01:37.000 It's a very exciting time.

00:01:39.000 Our first episode is with JD Vance, where he talks about cooking breakfast for his kids and what is his daily life like and how does he make his marriage work with Usha in the face of such public scrutiny on their marriage?

00:01:51.000 You know, there isn't a place online for conservative women to truly just have an audience for themselves to gather, to talk. 1.00

00:01:58.000 You know, too often we hear about the message is, you know, here's why we're waiting to have kids or here's why you don't need a man.

00:02:05.000 And I find that to be the incredible opposite.

00:02:08.000 And so we should have a place where women can do that. 1.00

00:02:10.000 That's what the podcast is all about.

00:02:11.000 It's what it's for.

00:02:13.000 We're on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, Rumble, and you can like, subscribe, and I appreciate the chance to tell your audience about it, Charlie, because it really is something we're missing in the conservative space.

00:02:25.000 You know, Katie, this is so important, and it's the Katie Miller podcast.

00:02:28.000 I encourage everyone to check it out.

00:02:30.000 And you have a great marriage.

00:02:31.000 Your husband, Steven Miller, is doing a fantastic a phenomenal job every single day fighting for our nation.

00:02:36.000 Katie, talk about that because there are young ladies that will come up to my campus events and they say, I don't need a man. 1.00

00:02:43.000 I don't want to get married.

00:02:44.000 It's a terrible thing.

00:02:45.000 I just want to pursue my career.

00:02:47.000 Katie, what is your response to it?

00:02:49.000 I mean, you have a very successful career.

00:02:51.000 You have three kids.

00:02:53.000 You have a great marriage.

00:02:56.000 What insight do you have towards the pushback that you would receive from some of these young ladies that I talk to on campus?

00:03:03.000 I see you on campus all the time, Charlie, talking to young women.

00:03:06.000 And I would say it's really important in my life, especially that having a marriage and having a a family has made my life richer and better.

00:03:13.000 I for myself, I feel like I got married late in life at 28.

00:03:17.000 I wish I would have found Stephen sooner.

00:03:20.000 In my situation is that I was communications director to Steve Daynes, to Martha McSally.

00:03:25.000 I was over the Department of Homeland Security and President Trump's first term, which is how I met my husband, talking about the need to secure our borders and build the wall, which I'm so glad President Trump is doing now.

00:03:38.000 But truly what I saw is that I went from being communications director to a vice president.

00:03:44.000 I had three kids in four years and then I was a top advisor to E to Elon Musk Dosh in President Trump's second term.

00:03:52.000 And what I found is that you can have kids.

00:03:54.000 My own career has proven, don't worry about that gap on your resume.

00:03:57.000 Like I was always taught that you would have this gap and you would never be able to have the career that you can imagine for yourself because kids will just knock you out.

00:04:06.000 And it's just, it's not the case for me as my husband has supported my career.

00:04:09.000 We're a team.

00:04:10.000 I'm so excited to see what he's doing.

00:04:12.000 And he's been my greatest champion in this endeavor.

00:04:15.000 Calling all of his friends and telling everybody and you see it on his X feed.

00:04:19.000 It's just how proud he is of me the same way I'm proud of him.

00:04:22.000 And I would encourage young women that marriage and family gives you the ability to go further and higher in your career, not less.

00:04:30.000 Yeah.

00:04:30.000 So, but why is it that young ladies are presented with this binary option and so many resist marriage and they say that there are no good men and they delay marriage so long?

00:04:43.000 Do you think that young ladies should delay marriage just blindly delay it? 0.55

00:04:48.000 I mean, of course, if you want to try to wait for the right person, no one has any debate that.

00:04:52.000 But the blind delay that I'm not going to get married under any circumstances, do you think that's the right advice we should be issuing?

00:04:59.000 No, I think new age feminism or whatever we're calling it where we're saying, I don't need a man and I can do this on my own.

00:05:05.000 Let me tell you, I did it on my own for a while and I was a proud female and I'm.

00:05:09.000 very proud of the career I had before Stephen.

00:05:10.000 But let me tell you, since I've met Stephen and since we've had three kids, my career has completely taken off because I have a champion at home.

00:05:17.000 I have someone who is my supporter.

00:05:19.000 I'm able to be able to advance my career and have a second set of someone who really trusts.

00:05:25.000 and has my back.

00:05:26.000 And I would encourage young women to find their partner.

00:05:29.000 And, you know, I wouldn't say it's only on the women. 0.80

00:05:31.000 I would say that there's men these days who don't treat women like the way they should.

00:05:35.000 Stephen was the incredible gentleman who took me on amazing dates and who really, I would say, pursued me.

00:05:41.000 And we had a very good courtship and dating life where he did treat me like, you know., a woman or man is supposed to treat a woman and that's also lost in today's society, Charlie.

00:05:52.000 I know, you know, you and your own personal life, I'm sure your wife can very much relate to my experiences when you have a strong man, you have a strong marriage.

00:06:00.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:01.000 What advice would you give Katie, a Katie Miller podcast and your podcast is very personal.

00:06:06.000 It's great.

00:06:07.000 And one, one day I hope to be big enough to be invited on, but that's a separate issue.

00:06:12.000 Katie, what advice would you give to the Republican Party broadly about reaching young women politically?

00:06:20.000 You're doing a very cultural thing, which is important, but if you were to.

00:06:24.000 to say, hey, these are one, two, three things that we should do because the data shows young men are going dramatically to the right, young ladies are going to the left, but not as dramatically as they were a couple years ago.

00:06:40.000 What can we as a movement do better?

00:06:42.000 So we saw it, President Trump in the last election, as you just mentioned, close that gender gap a little bit, right?

00:06:47.000 That is because the Make America Healthy Again movement from Bobby Kennedy and President Trump.

00:06:51.000 We also saw that's because we don't want to trans our children. 1.00

00:06:54.000 And Riley Gaines has been a tremendous, has made a tremendous impact in that regard.

00:06:58.000 And I think the more that we can talk to women where they are on their value set, which in my opinion is, you know, creating happy, healthy households and feeding our kids good food and not giving our kids this toxic lifestyle, whether that be from TV, movies or what's actually in their diet. 1.00

00:07:16.000 The more we give moms that outlet, because I believe talking to moms isn't ideological or political.

00:07:22.000 We are at the end of the day, all just trying to raise our kids in this beautiful country that we love.

00:07:27.000 And I think unless we're cultivating that audience and really building that audience, there isn't a place right now where besides Charlie, one of your shows, right, like that truly conservative women can go to get information about politics, we need to create that audience so that way when we have a 2028 election and midterms, that our elected leaders can talk to women directly where they are, because I believe that magazines used to do that, but what is magazines anymore? 0.95

00:07:53.000 They're just trash. 0.84

00:07:54.000 Well, they are. 1.00

00:07:55.000 And that's right.

00:07:57.000 What is the solution to the intractable allure that so many young ladies have? 1.00

00:08:06.000 towards liberalism.

00:08:08.000 What issues in particular do you think can move them?

00:08:11.000 I think Hollywood and the far left glamorize this vision of you can do it on your own, women empowerment. 1.00

00:08:18.000 And I just think we aren't telling women there's another avenue towards women empowerment, which includes having a family, right?

00:08:24.000 Because far too often you see it on Alex Cooper Call Her Dad.

00:08:27.000 They glorify this single woman, this behavior that is, in my opinion, not degenerate.

00:08:33.000 Certainly not moral, but like it is just.

00:08:36.000 the absolute opposite of what I find to give me value every day in my personal life.

00:08:42.000 And you see it on TV and movies.

00:08:44.000 You saw yesterday a clip of Snoop Dogg on a podcast talking about why is he having to explain to his kids in a movie what transgenderism is?

00:08:53.000 And why does a woman and a woman who are married and how do they have kids? 1.00

00:08:56.000 It's like, why are we inserting that and teaching our children that that is the values of our country when it is not.

00:09:03.000 You just also want to tune in and tune out of the noise of everyday life and just be able to enjoy what is a quiet household and be able to teach your kids what you want.

00:09:12.000 And so often now we've lost that in society.

00:09:15.000 If only we can tell our neighbors and our people at church and our people in school as everyone's going back to school, these fellow moms that this is common thought and you don't have to just go with the flow and be ashamed to be who you are.

00:09:28.000 Yeah.

00:09:28.000 So in closing here, Katie, how could people find the podcast?

00:09:31.000 What else can we expect from you moving forward with this important project?

00:09:35.000 We're on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, X. YouTube X Rumble, we are where you find a podcast, like, subscribe.

00:09:43.000 Our next episode, we just released last night with Katie Britt again, the U.S. Senate's youngest female senator.

00:09:50.000 Next week, we're going to have on Joe Gebby, the founder of Airbnb, who was most recently named Chief Design Officer of the United States by President Trump.

00:09:58.000 It is an exciting time to be a conservative, and it's an exciting time to talk about what women actually care about, which is not transing our kids. 0.99

00:10:06.000 Amen.

00:10:07.000 Katie Miller, check out the Katie Miller podcast.

00:10:09.000 Thank you so much.

00:10:09.000 Thanks, Charlie.

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00:11:15.000 This is monumental breaking news.

00:11:16.000 This is bigger than ending the Russian-Ukrainian war.

00:11:20.000 This is bigger than the Trump election.

00:11:22.000 This is bigger than Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:11:24.000 I mean, this is seismic earth-shattering stuff.

00:11:28.000 Everybody, you will remember where you were.

00:11:31.000 This is bigger than World War II, honestly.

00:11:34.000 This is bigger than Storming the Beach, than Iwo Jima, D-Day.

00:11:37.000 You will remember where you were sitting.

00:11:39.000 You will remember what you were drinking and eating and feeling and sensing.

00:11:42.000 I mean, it's just honestly, it might be bigger than the founding of America.

00:11:46.000 This is a whole new founding.

00:11:47.000 This is a new birth of something.

00:11:50.000 This is what, of course, I'm talking about is this is a moment that will live in infamy.

00:11:56.000 Taylor Swift is now engaged to Travis Kelsey.

00:12:00.000 Now, has she been engaged before?

00:12:03.000 I need my Taylor Swift historians to, I think she has.

00:12:07.000 I could be wrong.

00:12:08.000 Now, this is major news.

00:12:09.000 Everyone is talking about it.

00:12:11.000 Travis Kelsey, the pharmaceutical spokesperson, and Taylor Swift, the pop star, are now officially engaged.

00:12:20.000 Emma says she has not been engaged, so this is a first.

00:12:23.000 Now, look, it is no mystery that I'm not the world's biggest Taylor Swift fan.

00:12:31.000 However, I think there's actually something here that we should all celebrate.

00:12:34.000 How often do we on this program talk about the three M's?

00:12:39.000 make you a better citizen and more conservative, which of course is mortgage, marriage, and mating.

00:12:47.000 And so Taylor Swift.

00:12:49.000 obviously has plenty of mortgages.

00:12:50.000 She's got more homes than I'll ever have.

00:12:52.000 She's incredibly wealthy.

00:12:55.000 But maybe one of the reasons why Taylor Swift has been so just kind of annoyingly liberal over the last couple of years is that she's not yet married and she doesn't have children. 1.00

00:13:08.000 I say this non-sarcastically.

00:13:10.000 I say this as a husband and a father.

00:13:12.000 Having children changes you.

00:13:14.000 Getting married changes you.

00:13:16.000 And I hope that America's biggest pop star, marrying the pharmaceutical spokesperson, ends up conservatizing them.

00:13:27.000 Taylor Swift might de-radicalize herself. 1.00

00:13:31.000 She might come back down to reality.

00:13:33.000 I want them to have lots of children.

00:13:35.000 It teaches you something about yourself.

00:13:38.000 Deep down, I think Taylor Swift actually was raised as a conservative that has gotten kind of caught up in this metropolitan liberal stuff, and she doesn't quite have an attachment to that.

00:13:57.000 And I'm not saying this sarcastically.

00:13:59.000 I've seen this happen time and time again.

00:14:01.000 When people start to get married and have children, it starts to change your politics.

00:14:08.000 It starts to clarify your worldview.

00:14:11.000 And for Taylor Swift, who obviously is very popular and incredibly supported, Taylor Swift might go from a cat lady to a JD Vance supporter.

00:14:23.000 And I think we should celebrate that.

00:14:25.000 I think that Taylor Swift having two or three children, she should have more children than she has houses. 1.00

00:14:31.000 That is my challenge, Taylor Swift.

00:14:32.000 I'm not being sarcastic.

00:14:34.000 I think that if she And we want Taylor Swift on Team America. 1.00

00:14:45.000 We want you to leave the island of the wokies. 1.00

00:14:49.000 And we would welcome you with open arms.

00:14:51.000 One of the reasons why so many people on the right have been just skeptical or at least a little bit negative on Taylor Swift is up until this point, that's not a great role model for young women to wait all the way until you're 35 and just put your career first.

00:15:05.000 We just talked about this with Katie Miller.

00:15:07.000 However, there's a great chance to change that.

00:15:09.000 It's a great chance for Taylor Swift now to...

00:15:15.000 You can certainly afford it, Taylor.

00:15:17.000 And Taylor Swift has been all, you know, through America and the ups and the downs.

00:15:21.000 And if you feel that violent shaking in your home, that is the earthquake of the pop culture.

00:15:26.000 If you hear that high-pitched scream, those are the young ladies on your block screaming. 1.00

00:15:31.000 And honestly, Pfizer pays well, baby.

00:15:34.000 I mean, Pfizer pays the bills.

00:15:38.000 That is quite a ring, Mr. Kelsey.

00:15:39.000 I'm impressed.

00:15:40.000 I got to be honest.

00:15:42.000 We don't know exactly how much Pfizer paid you to peddle that product.

00:15:46.000 But boy, you brought in the Benjamin, sir. 0.76

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00:15:57.000 That right there has its own zip code.

00:15:58.000 I'm impressed.

00:16:01.000 All kidding and sarcasm aside, this is something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative.

00:16:11.000 Engage in reality more and get outside of the abstract clouds.

00:16:15.000 Reject feminism.

00:16:17.000 Submit to your husband, Taylor.

00:16:19.000 You're not in charge.

00:16:21.000 And most importantly, I can't wait to go to a Taylor Kelsey concert.

00:16:29.000 I can't say it without laughing.

00:16:31.000 You got to change your name.

00:16:33.000 If not, you don't really mean it.

00:16:35.000 Congratulations, Taylor.

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00:17:18.000 Joining us now is Jeremy Carl, author of Unprotected Class, How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart.

00:17:26.000 Jeremy, I want to broaden the discussion that is currently happening largely online and somewhat on television around student visas.

00:17:33.000 I believe, and I've talked to some people in the administration, I believe there's going to be some clarifying elements of what's happening with the Chinese visas.

00:17:40.000 Also, we can't we can't weigh in too much about this because President Trump is in the midst of a a massive a geopolitical change or trade deal.

00:17:48.000 So there's a give and there's a take.

00:17:50.000 So I haven't really weighed in on much of it.

00:17:52.000 But what instead what I want to do, Jeremy, is I want to broaden it and just come up with a way that we should think about student visas, right?

00:17:59.000 President Trump has both of our confidence.

00:18:01.000 He's going to crush it.

00:18:02.000 Let's not, you know, look at the day-to-day back-and-forth rift graph.

00:18:07.000 Let's take a, you know, more macro picture.

00:18:09.000 Let's go through the essence of it.

00:18:11.000 How many people are foreigners that are coming into our schools and that are learning our universities?

00:18:16.000 Is that a good thing?

00:18:17.000 Is it a bad thing?

00:18:18.000 And how should we think about student visas altogether?

00:18:20.000 Yeah, Charlie.

00:18:21.000 And by the way, I just want to echo your comments, which is I understand why people online are going to sort of they are going to freak out and say, oh, you know, he said 600,000.

00:18:30.000 And you sort of wonder, have these people ever watched Trump negotiate before and, you know, get fooled for the 50,000th time?

00:18:37.000 Exactly.

00:18:37.000 This is all part of negotiations.

00:18:38.000 So let's not, I support him completely, but let's talk about more conceptually.

00:18:43.000 Please keep going.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, so conceptually, I think we've got something on the order of a million foreigners studying in the U.S. right now.

00:18:52.000 I think it's, there are clearly some advantages.

00:18:54.000 There's particular advantages to the universities.

00:18:56.000 Now, that may be positive or negative depending on how you think of universities, because these are generally people who are paying full freight.

00:19:05.000 So in some sense, they are subsidizing being able to offer scholarships to American students.

00:19:10.000 On the other hand, they are sometimes crowding American students, particularly in technology, out of these top programs, particularly in graduate school.

00:19:20.000 And so that's a that's a real problem.

00:19:21.000 And then there's also the security element.

00:19:23.000 And I can tell you, when I was a doctoral student at Stanford, we paid a lot of attention to places where we did not want Chinese graduate students studying because we felt it was a security risk.

00:19:34.000 So this is a thing that really does get worried about and it should be worried about.

00:19:38.000 So yeah, let's differentiate this for a second.

00:19:41.000 So what would you say is the difference between the graduate and the undergraduate designation?

00:19:47.000 Does that matter as we're talking about foreign visas?

00:19:50.000 Yeah, Charlie, I think it absolutely does.

00:19:52.000 So I mean, I think undergraduate, you're going to to have a much sort of wider variation in student quality.

00:19:58.000 And it also kind of matters less because with rare, rare cases, there's not going to be anybody involved in really cutting edge research.

00:20:06.000 When you get to a graduate school, particularly a doctoral program, particularly at some of these top programs, you're talking about people who are really working on often very, very cutting edge work.

00:20:17.000 I mean, in many cases, the faculty member, if it's a doctoral program, may be only lightly supervising it.

00:20:23.000 And the real cutting edge work is being done by the student.

00:20:27.000 Now, if they're bringing that work and it's staying in the U.S., that's great.

00:20:31.000 If they're going and they're stealing our intellectual property from other students, from professors, whatever else, and reporting on that to the Chinese Communist Party or wherever, whatever our geopolitical rival is.

00:20:42.000 Obviously, that's a big problem.

00:20:44.000 Right.

00:20:45.000 So let's just go a step deeper into this.

00:20:48.000 So the Chinese question is one presented as one issue, but it's really three issues.

00:20:54.000 At the most basic level, we have Chinese who come to America for basic undergraduate degrees.

00:20:59.000 We know that.

00:21:00.000 Now, there's two ways to frame it.

00:21:02.000 You could say that it's offsetting our trade deficit with China.

00:21:05.000 They sell us manufactured goods and we sell them papered degrees.

00:21:08.000 However, another way to look at it is that we're importing foreigners to prop up a failed business model. 1.00

00:21:13.000 How reliant are these universities on foreign Chinese purchasers of degrees?

00:21:21.000 You know, Charlie, it just varies from university to university, but there's no question that a number of our universities are very reliant, not just on Chinese degrees, but we're seeing this a lot from India, which is the other really big supplier of foreign students, not as much of a security threat, but a country that we certainly do need to pay attention to intellectual property there.

00:21:45.000 So, you know, we do have that, but Charlie, again, you kind of.

00:21:49.000 started your career even attacking the university business model for good reason.

00:21:53.000 And I think that we would be better off in the grand scheme of things if we let more of these schools fail, because again, they can only be propped up by foreign students. 1.00

00:22:05.000 in some cases looking for that U.S. prestige.

00:22:08.000 And I don't think that that really serves American interests pretty well, particularly considering how vocal a lot of these universities have become.

00:22:16.000 So, you know, there's no simple and clean answer, but I think that's broadly how I'd think about it.

00:22:21.000 Yeah.

00:22:22.000 So let me ask you, and I think I know the answer.

00:22:24.000 Why does Xi Jinping care so much about this issue.

00:22:29.000 You would think that when you're negotiating a trade deal, which is what's happening right now, Xi Jinping would be worrying about imports or exports or, hey, don't go to Taiwan or making sure that we have control over the South China Sea.

00:22:46.000 But instead, a top priority is student visas.

00:22:51.000 Here's how I interpret that.

00:22:53.000 Some people say, oh, it's international espionage.

00:22:55.000 They're spying on us.

00:22:57.000 There's probably some truth to that.

00:22:58.000 You can't trust the Chinese. 1.00

00:23:00.000 The second of which people say, well, they're training for that they can replace us and they're getting valuable intellectual capital.

00:23:07.000 The third of which I actually think is a little bit more benign is that I believe he's getting a lot of internal pressure from Chinese oligarchs that want their kids to be able to go to US universities so that they can stay domestically competitive in the CCP rat race. 0.83

00:23:23.000 What do you think of that analysis, Jeremy?

00:23:25.000 Charlie, I think it's actually very insightful.

00:23:27.000 I think both the there's the practical element of they want that US brand degree for the CCP rat race.

00:23:34.000 I think there's also sort of sentimental reasons and prestige reasons around the same thing.

00:23:39.000 She's a daughter, this was kind of not widely reported because she studied under a pseudonym, is actually a Harvard graduate.

00:23:47.000 And for a long time, the Chinese Communist Party, some of the top leaders have been sending their kids here to the U.S. I think there's some positives and negatives of that.

00:23:56.000 I mean, obviously, we can affect what they think in terms of culture.

00:24:00.000 And hopefully they come away with a little bit.

00:24:03.000 more positive view of the U.S., but there's obviously also some risks associated with that.

00:24:09.000 But I think that, yes, it's the rat race and it's also this sort of soft prestige and maybe even some sentimental value. 0.84

00:24:15.000 I mean, again, Xi has one child.

00:24:18.000 That child studied in the U.S. And so this may sort of thing may be a little bit personal for him.

00:24:22.000 Yeah, so let's...

00:24:30.000 And so, again, the president, he's negotiating this massive, huge trade deal.

00:24:37.000 This was Howard Lutnik's explanation on Laura Ingram's yesterday.

00:24:42.000 I know Howard, he's a friend of mine.

00:24:44.000 I don't think I agree with him here.

00:24:45.000 Let's play cut 320.

00:24:47.000 How is allowing 600,000 students from the communist country of China putting America first? 0.96

00:24:55.000 Well, the president's point of view is that what would happen if you didn't have those 600,000 students is that you'd empty them from the top all the students would go up to better schools and the bottom 15 of universities and colleges would go out of business in america well that sounds wonderful actually the bottom 15 of colleges should go bankrupt so i i think the president's thinking here is not that i think the president is trying to get a

00:25:25.000 macro trade deal where diplomas and degrees are a small concession for a broader recalibration.

00:25:33.000 But we'll see.

00:25:34.000 Again, he's more than earned a lot of leeway here to be able to negotiate.

00:25:40.000 We don't even know what that is with maybe Taiwanese security and a trade deal.

00:25:45.000 Jeremy, your thoughts here.

00:25:46.000 Yeah, again, absolutely.

00:25:48.000 I mean, it's just at the end of the day, you've got to look at President Trump's record, particularly in the second term, which has just been spectacular in my view, and just say, like, do we trust the guy we elected?

00:25:59.000 I obviously do.

00:26:00.000 You obviously do.

00:26:02.000 As you point out, there are so many different things, public and private.

00:26:06.000 He is negotiating essentially the core U.S.-China relationship.

00:26:11.000 And if in the context of that, you know, he has to make some small concession on students.

00:26:18.000 on student visas from what might be ideal from my perspective as an immigration hawk, that's something I can live with if the bigger deal is a good deal for us.

00:26:27.000 And again, I have a lot of confidence that Trump can deliver on that.

00:26:31.000 But, you know, again, having said that, I'm glad people are raising their voices because President Trump and his administration pay a lot of attention to what his supporters are saying, which is not something that's been universal among Republican political leaders.

00:26:43.000 And so the fact that people are raising this as an issue means that we're not going to give it away anything here cheaply.

00:26:50.000 And I think that that is nothing but good.

00:26:53.000 In closing here, Jeremy, tell everybody about the position that you are pending forward if the Senate could get its act together.

00:26:59.000 Well, we're We're hopeful and I'm hearing good things, but I've been nominated by the president to be an assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs.

00:27:08.000 That is sort of overseeing the things we do at the UN and some other allied multilateral organizations.

00:27:14.000 And President Trump and Secretary Rubio have put together a terrific team at the State Department.

00:27:19.000 And so hoping that the Senate will be able to move forward and, if confirmed, really looking forward to being able to serve the president in that way.

00:27:28.000 Jeremy Carl, excellent work.

00:27:29.000 Thank you so much.

00:27:30.000 Thanks so much, Charlie.

00:27:31.000 Pleasure to be here.

00:27:32.000 Thank you.

00:27:33.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk dot com.

00:27:35.000 So we're going to see what the end train deal is.

00:27:36.000 I don't think people should get too worked up about this because, as you see, this stuff happens in motion.

00:27:41.000 It's going a million miles a minute.

00:27:42.000 They're going back and forth and back and forth.

00:27:44.000 But a better trade deal, Taiwanese security guarantees.

00:27:47.000 I would say, though, that the graduate student one is one that we should really – that's the one that we need to kind of go get our sights on.

00:27:58.000 That's the one that we need to probably look at more closely.

00:28:03.000 The undergraduate one.

00:28:04.000 I will say, though, that if the RBCU – argument, if the argument is, hey, this helped us pull off a bigger game changing trade deal, all for that.

00:28:15.000 But if the argument is like, hey, this is going to help so that a bunch of colleges don't go under.

00:28:21.000 That dog doesn't hunt. 0.99

00:28:22.000 Let those colleges have gone under a long time ago.

00:28:25.000 They shouldn't exist in their current form.

00:28:30.000 It's hard to believe it was even possible, but the Democrat-run states are now more pro-abortion than ever and will only get worse unless you join me standing for life. 0.64

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00:29:31.000 So this kind of plays into our original thesis, which is that if you want young ladies to become more conservative, we should encourage and celebrate marriage. 0.52

00:29:45.000 The three M's, get a mortgage, get married, and mate. 0.94

00:29:50.000 I will say the power that Taylor Swift has, she could inspire a lot of young ladies to want to get married. 1.00

00:29:56.000 It's going to be very interesting on campus.

00:29:58.000 A lot of these Swifties who hate me, you're always like, Charlie, stop talking about marriage all the time.

00:30:02.000 Well, your queen is getting married, and maybe you should too.

00:30:08.000 Something happens when you get married.

00:30:10.000 This is a great clip.

00:30:12.000 One of our listeners sent it to me.

00:30:13.000 I want to just make sure I mention the listener.

00:30:15.000 It's from HBO Real Time with Bill Maher.

00:30:18.000 Cliff emailed it to us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:22.000 And this is an actress by the name of Whitney Cummings.

00:30:26.000 It's a really important piece of tape, her on Real Time with Bill Maher, play cut 355.

00:30:32.000 Even Bill Maher couldn't help but laugh at this woman's transformation from liberal to a conservative mom. 0.83

00:30:37.000 It's been fascinating because I've been on this sort of journey through motherhood where, you know, I've always been a very liberal person, maybe even lived hard.

00:30:47.000 But once you have a kid, you start like having thoughts that have been characterized as conservative as soon as I had a kid I was like I need a gun now not for myself because I've got coyotes in my yard I've got coyotes everywhere and before I had a kid I was like they coexist with us coyotes were here first like I'm in the coyotes home now I'm like let's make hats out of them let's make hats let's make coyote boots coyote earrings out of their eyeballs like it's just For first of all,

00:31:16.000 she's very funny and that is unique.

00:31:18.000 I don't find most female comedians funny. 1.00

00:31:20.000 Nothing.

00:31:21.000 Sex is just I don't.

00:31:22.000 And usually they're so crass that that's quite funny.

00:31:25.000 And it goes towards a more fundamental truth, which is having children changes you and that is the point is that as we have had a dramatic fertility collapse in the west we shouldn't be shocked at how it's changed us not having children has changed the west and having children can change your core beliefs that is why when we were in the dark night of the soul that is why when we were in the wilderness what did we go and build the entire movement upon the

00:31:55.000 parents party It was parents at school board meetings that was the basis that launched us out of the January 6 nightmare, out of the raids, the FBI, the ATF, the DOJ.

00:32:08.000 It was grass.roots parents and it is parents that will save this nation.

00:32:14.000 It's not a moral marker.

00:32:15.000 If you don't have children, that doesn't make you a less, it doesn't make you a worse person.

00:32:19.000 But I think we could all agree that having more children is not just a good thing.

00:32:23.000 It's a necessary thing to reverse the entire fertility collapse that is facing our society and our civilization.

00:32:30.000 And you think about it, getting married is a covenantal thing.

00:32:33.000 When you have children, you think of everything differently.

00:32:36.000 You go out less.

00:32:38.000 You don't drink alcohol.

00:32:39.000 You watch movies differently.

00:32:41.000 You also, you don't view marijuana the same way.

00:32:45.000 If there are no children, there is no tomorrow.

00:32:48.000 You view food differently.

00:32:49.000 You view doctors' visit differently.

00:32:51.000 It changes your entire perspective.

00:32:54.000 And it happens more and more so over time.

00:32:57.000 Once you are a parent.

00:32:58.000 You start to think of, oh, my kid would like that.

00:33:00.000 Or I don't want my kid to see that.

00:33:01.000 Or I don't want my kid to walk down that street.

00:33:04.000 Or I don't want my kid to have to be hassled by a homeless person.

00:33:07.000 I find that it is those without children and not married that tend to not care about the stuff that we as conservatives care about.

00:33:13.000 They don't care about littering. 0.97

00:33:14.000 They don't care about crime as much.

00:33:15.000 They don't care about homeless people because it's just themselves in their own little world.

00:33:19.000 It makes society fundamentally more decent.

00:33:22.000 Why?

00:33:22.000 Because it makes us, you and me, and Taylor Swift and Whitney Cummings more decent.

00:33:29.000 And again, Taylor Swift, if she has four, five, six children, it would be amazing.

00:33:34.000 That will be a conservatizing event, no doubt.

00:33:38.000 I know there are some exceptions.

00:33:40.000 There are some celebs that stay libs and they trans their kids and they do all that stuff. 0.98

00:33:44.000 Okay, but I do believe that if Taylor Swift all of a sudden has a moment when her teachers try and change That's probably a conservatizing event.

00:33:58.000 Look, I think Taylor Swift's got to go full Mormon i think six kids minimum i mean think about what a conservative taylor swift would be for the country it'd be an amazing thing and overall i think this is wonderful i hope they have a lot of happiness and i hope they have a lot of joy and a lot of children and i hope the women of america will have less cats and more children your queen is getting married and so should you Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:27.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 27, 2025

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