Katie Miller and Jeremy Carl join host Charlie Kirk to talk about what it's like to be a conservative woman in the Senate, why women should be allowed to have kids, and how to balance a career and family life.
00:00:42.000His spirit, his love for this country.
00:00:44.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:50.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:39.000Our first episode is with JD Vance, where he talks about cooking breakfast for his kids and what is his daily life like and how does he make his marriage work with Usha in the face of such public scrutiny on their marriage?
00:01:51.000You know, there isn't a place online for conservative women to truly just have an audience for themselves to gather, to talk.
00:01:58.000You know, too often we hear about the message is, you know, here's why we're waiting to have kids or here's why you don't need a man.
00:02:05.000And I find that to be the incredible opposite.
00:02:08.000And so we should have a place where women can do that.
00:02:13.000We're on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, Rumble, and you can like, subscribe, and I appreciate the chance to tell your audience about it, Charlie, because it really is something we're missing in the conservative space.
00:02:25.000You know, Katie, this is so important, and it's the Katie Miller podcast.
00:02:56.000What insight do you have towards the pushback that you would receive from some of these young ladies that I talk to on campus?
00:03:03.000I see you on campus all the time, Charlie, talking to young women.
00:03:06.000And I would say it's really important in my life, especially that having a marriage and having a a family has made my life richer and better.
00:03:13.000I for myself, I feel like I got married late in life at 28.
00:03:17.000I wish I would have found Stephen sooner.
00:03:20.000In my situation is that I was communications director to Steve Daynes, to Martha McSally.
00:03:25.000I was over the Department of Homeland Security and President Trump's first term, which is how I met my husband, talking about the need to secure our borders and build the wall, which I'm so glad President Trump is doing now.
00:03:38.000But truly what I saw is that I went from being communications director to a vice president.
00:03:44.000I had three kids in four years and then I was a top advisor to E to Elon Musk Dosh in President Trump's second term.
00:03:52.000And what I found is that you can have kids.
00:03:54.000My own career has proven, don't worry about that gap on your resume.
00:03:57.000Like I was always taught that you would have this gap and you would never be able to have the career that you can imagine for yourself because kids will just knock you out.
00:04:06.000And it's just, it's not the case for me as my husband has supported my career.
00:04:30.000So, but why is it that young ladies are presented with this binary option and so many resist marriage and they say that there are no good men and they delay marriage so long?
00:04:43.000Do you think that young ladies should delay marriage just blindly delay it?
00:04:48.000I mean, of course, if you want to try to wait for the right person, no one has any debate that.
00:04:52.000But the blind delay that I'm not going to get married under any circumstances, do you think that's the right advice we should be issuing?
00:04:59.000No, I think new age feminism or whatever we're calling it where we're saying, I don't need a man and I can do this on my own.
00:05:05.000Let me tell you, I did it on my own for a while and I was a proud female and I'm.
00:05:09.000very proud of the career I had before Stephen.
00:05:10.000But let me tell you, since I've met Stephen and since we've had three kids, my career has completely taken off because I have a champion at home.
00:05:26.000And I would encourage young women to find their partner.
00:05:29.000And, you know, I wouldn't say it's only on the women.
00:05:31.000I would say that there's men these days who don't treat women like the way they should.
00:05:35.000Stephen was the incredible gentleman who took me on amazing dates and who really, I would say, pursued me.
00:05:41.000And we had a very good courtship and dating life where he did treat me like, you know., a woman or man is supposed to treat a woman and that's also lost in today's society, Charlie.
00:05:52.000I know, you know, you and your own personal life, I'm sure your wife can very much relate to my experiences when you have a strong man, you have a strong marriage.
00:06:07.000And one, one day I hope to be big enough to be invited on, but that's a separate issue.
00:06:12.000Katie, what advice would you give to the Republican Party broadly about reaching young women politically?
00:06:20.000You're doing a very cultural thing, which is important, but if you were to.
00:06:24.000to say, hey, these are one, two, three things that we should do because the data shows young men are going dramatically to the right, young ladies are going to the left, but not as dramatically as they were a couple years ago.
00:06:42.000So we saw it, President Trump in the last election, as you just mentioned, close that gender gap a little bit, right?
00:06:47.000That is because the Make America Healthy Again movement from Bobby Kennedy and President Trump.
00:06:51.000We also saw that's because we don't want to trans our children.
00:06:54.000And Riley Gaines has been a tremendous, has made a tremendous impact in that regard.
00:06:58.000And I think the more that we can talk to women where they are on their value set, which in my opinion is, you know, creating happy, healthy households and feeding our kids good food and not giving our kids this toxic lifestyle, whether that be from TV, movies or what's actually in their diet.
00:07:16.000The more we give moms that outlet, because I believe talking to moms isn't ideological or political.
00:07:22.000We are at the end of the day, all just trying to raise our kids in this beautiful country that we love.
00:07:27.000And I think unless we're cultivating that audience and really building that audience, there isn't a place right now where besides Charlie, one of your shows, right, like that truly conservative women can go to get information about politics, we need to create that audience so that way when we have a 2028 election and midterms, that our elected leaders can talk to women directly where they are, because I believe that magazines used to do that, but what is magazines anymore?
00:08:44.000You saw yesterday a clip of Snoop Dogg on a podcast talking about why is he having to explain to his kids in a movie what transgenderism is?
00:08:53.000And why does a woman and a woman who are married and how do they have kids?
00:08:56.000It's like, why are we inserting that and teaching our children that that is the values of our country when it is not.
00:09:03.000You just also want to tune in and tune out of the noise of everyday life and just be able to enjoy what is a quiet household and be able to teach your kids what you want.
00:09:12.000And so often now we've lost that in society.
00:09:15.000If only we can tell our neighbors and our people at church and our people in school as everyone's going back to school, these fellow moms that this is common thought and you don't have to just go with the flow and be ashamed to be who you are.
00:09:28.000So in closing here, Katie, how could people find the podcast?
00:09:31.000What else can we expect from you moving forward with this important project?
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00:09:43.000Our next episode, we just released last night with Katie Britt again, the U.S. Senate's youngest female senator.
00:09:50.000Next week, we're going to have on Joe Gebby, the founder of Airbnb, who was most recently named Chief Design Officer of the United States by President Trump.
00:09:58.000It is an exciting time to be a conservative, and it's an exciting time to talk about what women actually care about, which is not transing our kids.
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00:12:55.000But maybe one of the reasons why Taylor Swift has been so just kind of annoyingly liberal over the last couple of years is that she's not yet married and she doesn't have children.
00:13:35.000It teaches you something about yourself.
00:13:38.000Deep down, I think Taylor Swift actually was raised as a conservative that has gotten kind of caught up in this metropolitan liberal stuff, and she doesn't quite have an attachment to that.
00:13:57.000And I'm not saying this sarcastically.
00:13:59.000I've seen this happen time and time again.
00:14:01.000When people start to get married and have children, it starts to change your politics.
00:14:11.000And for Taylor Swift, who obviously is very popular and incredibly supported, Taylor Swift might go from a cat lady to a JD Vance supporter.
00:14:34.000I think that if she And we want Taylor Swift on Team America.
00:14:45.000We want you to leave the island of the wokies.
00:14:49.000And we would welcome you with open arms.
00:14:51.000One of the reasons why so many people on the right have been just skeptical or at least a little bit negative on Taylor Swift is up until this point, that's not a great role model for young women to wait all the way until you're 35 and just put your career first.
00:15:05.000We just talked about this with Katie Miller.
00:15:07.000However, there's a great chance to change that.
00:15:09.000It's a great chance for Taylor Swift now to...
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00:17:18.000Joining us now is Jeremy Carl, author of Unprotected Class, How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart.
00:17:26.000Jeremy, I want to broaden the discussion that is currently happening largely online and somewhat on television around student visas.
00:17:33.000I believe, and I've talked to some people in the administration, I believe there's going to be some clarifying elements of what's happening with the Chinese visas.
00:17:40.000Also, we can't we can't weigh in too much about this because President Trump is in the midst of a a massive a geopolitical change or trade deal.
00:17:50.000So I haven't really weighed in on much of it.
00:17:52.000But what instead what I want to do, Jeremy, is I want to broaden it and just come up with a way that we should think about student visas, right?
00:17:59.000President Trump has both of our confidence.
00:18:21.000And by the way, I just want to echo your comments, which is I understand why people online are going to sort of they are going to freak out and say, oh, you know, he said 600,000.
00:18:30.000And you sort of wonder, have these people ever watched Trump negotiate before and, you know, get fooled for the 50,000th time?
00:18:44.000Yeah, so conceptually, I think we've got something on the order of a million foreigners studying in the U.S. right now.
00:18:52.000I think it's, there are clearly some advantages.
00:18:54.000There's particular advantages to the universities.
00:18:56.000Now, that may be positive or negative depending on how you think of universities, because these are generally people who are paying full freight.
00:19:05.000So in some sense, they are subsidizing being able to offer scholarships to American students.
00:19:10.000On the other hand, they are sometimes crowding American students, particularly in technology, out of these top programs, particularly in graduate school.
00:19:20.000And so that's a that's a real problem.
00:19:21.000And then there's also the security element.
00:19:23.000And I can tell you, when I was a doctoral student at Stanford, we paid a lot of attention to places where we did not want Chinese graduate students studying because we felt it was a security risk.
00:19:34.000So this is a thing that really does get worried about and it should be worried about.
00:19:38.000So yeah, let's differentiate this for a second.
00:19:41.000So what would you say is the difference between the graduate and the undergraduate designation?
00:19:47.000Does that matter as we're talking about foreign visas?
00:19:50.000Yeah, Charlie, I think it absolutely does.
00:19:52.000So I mean, I think undergraduate, you're going to to have a much sort of wider variation in student quality.
00:19:58.000And it also kind of matters less because with rare, rare cases, there's not going to be anybody involved in really cutting edge research.
00:20:06.000When you get to a graduate school, particularly a doctoral program, particularly at some of these top programs, you're talking about people who are really working on often very, very cutting edge work.
00:20:17.000I mean, in many cases, the faculty member, if it's a doctoral program, may be only lightly supervising it.
00:20:23.000And the real cutting edge work is being done by the student.
00:20:27.000Now, if they're bringing that work and it's staying in the U.S., that's great.
00:20:31.000If they're going and they're stealing our intellectual property from other students, from professors, whatever else, and reporting on that to the Chinese Communist Party or wherever, whatever our geopolitical rival is.
00:21:02.000You could say that it's offsetting our trade deficit with China.
00:21:05.000They sell us manufactured goods and we sell them papered degrees.
00:21:08.000However, another way to look at it is that we're importing foreigners to prop up a failed business model.
00:21:13.000How reliant are these universities on foreign Chinese purchasers of degrees?
00:21:21.000You know, Charlie, it just varies from university to university, but there's no question that a number of our universities are very reliant, not just on Chinese degrees, but we're seeing this a lot from India, which is the other really big supplier of foreign students, not as much of a security threat, but a country that we certainly do need to pay attention to intellectual property there.
00:21:45.000So, you know, we do have that, but Charlie, again, you kind of.
00:21:49.000started your career even attacking the university business model for good reason.
00:21:53.000And I think that we would be better off in the grand scheme of things if we let more of these schools fail, because again, they can only be propped up by foreign students.
00:22:05.000in some cases looking for that U.S. prestige.
00:22:08.000And I don't think that that really serves American interests pretty well, particularly considering how vocal a lot of these universities have become.
00:22:16.000So, you know, there's no simple and clean answer, but I think that's broadly how I'd think about it.
00:22:22.000So let me ask you, and I think I know the answer.
00:22:24.000Why does Xi Jinping care so much about this issue.
00:22:29.000You would think that when you're negotiating a trade deal, which is what's happening right now, Xi Jinping would be worrying about imports or exports or, hey, don't go to Taiwan or making sure that we have control over the South China Sea.
00:22:46.000But instead, a top priority is student visas.
00:23:00.000The second of which people say, well, they're training for that they can replace us and they're getting valuable intellectual capital.
00:23:07.000The third of which I actually think is a little bit more benign is that I believe he's getting a lot of internal pressure from Chinese oligarchs that want their kids to be able to go to US universities so that they can stay domestically competitive in the CCP rat race.
00:23:23.000What do you think of that analysis, Jeremy?
00:23:25.000Charlie, I think it's actually very insightful.
00:23:27.000I think both the there's the practical element of they want that US brand degree for the CCP rat race.
00:23:34.000I think there's also sort of sentimental reasons and prestige reasons around the same thing.
00:23:39.000She's a daughter, this was kind of not widely reported because she studied under a pseudonym, is actually a Harvard graduate.
00:23:47.000And for a long time, the Chinese Communist Party, some of the top leaders have been sending their kids here to the U.S. I think there's some positives and negatives of that.
00:23:56.000I mean, obviously, we can affect what they think in terms of culture.
00:24:00.000And hopefully they come away with a little bit.
00:24:03.000more positive view of the U.S., but there's obviously also some risks associated with that.
00:24:09.000But I think that, yes, it's the rat race and it's also this sort of soft prestige and maybe even some sentimental value.
00:24:47.000How is allowing 600,000 students from the communist country of China putting America first?
00:24:55.000Well, the president's point of view is that what would happen if you didn't have those 600,000 students is that you'd empty them from the top all the students would go up to better schools and the bottom 15 of universities and colleges would go out of business in america well that sounds wonderful actually the bottom 15 of colleges should go bankrupt so i i think the president's thinking here is not that i think the president is trying to get a
00:25:25.000macro trade deal where diplomas and degrees are a small concession for a broader recalibration.
00:25:48.000I mean, it's just at the end of the day, you've got to look at President Trump's record, particularly in the second term, which has just been spectacular in my view, and just say, like, do we trust the guy we elected?
00:26:02.000As you point out, there are so many different things, public and private.
00:26:06.000He is negotiating essentially the core U.S.-China relationship.
00:26:11.000And if in the context of that, you know, he has to make some small concession on students.
00:26:18.000on student visas from what might be ideal from my perspective as an immigration hawk, that's something I can live with if the bigger deal is a good deal for us.
00:26:27.000And again, I have a lot of confidence that Trump can deliver on that.
00:26:31.000But, you know, again, having said that, I'm glad people are raising their voices because President Trump and his administration pay a lot of attention to what his supporters are saying, which is not something that's been universal among Republican political leaders.
00:26:43.000And so the fact that people are raising this as an issue means that we're not going to give it away anything here cheaply.
00:26:50.000And I think that that is nothing but good.
00:26:53.000In closing here, Jeremy, tell everybody about the position that you are pending forward if the Senate could get its act together.
00:26:59.000Well, we're We're hopeful and I'm hearing good things, but I've been nominated by the president to be an assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs.
00:27:08.000That is sort of overseeing the things we do at the UN and some other allied multilateral organizations.
00:27:14.000And President Trump and Secretary Rubio have put together a terrific team at the State Department.
00:27:19.000And so hoping that the Senate will be able to move forward and, if confirmed, really looking forward to being able to serve the president in that way.
00:27:42.000They're going back and forth and back and forth.
00:27:44.000But a better trade deal, Taiwanese security guarantees.
00:27:47.000I would say, though, that the graduate student one is one that we should really – that's the one that we need to kind of go get our sights on.
00:27:58.000That's the one that we need to probably look at more closely.
00:28:04.000I will say, though, that if the RBCU – argument, if the argument is, hey, this helped us pull off a bigger game changing trade deal, all for that.
00:28:15.000But if the argument is like, hey, this is going to help so that a bunch of colleges don't go under.
00:28:22.000Let those colleges have gone under a long time ago.
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00:29:31.000So this kind of plays into our original thesis, which is that if you want young ladies to become more conservative, we should encourage and celebrate marriage.
00:29:45.000The three M's, get a mortgage, get married, and mate.
00:29:50.000I will say the power that Taylor Swift has, she could inspire a lot of young ladies to want to get married.
00:29:56.000It's going to be very interesting on campus.
00:29:58.000A lot of these Swifties who hate me, you're always like, Charlie, stop talking about marriage all the time.
00:30:02.000Well, your queen is getting married, and maybe you should too.
00:30:08.000Something happens when you get married.
00:30:13.000I want to just make sure I mention the listener.
00:30:15.000It's from HBO Real Time with Bill Maher.
00:30:18.000Cliff emailed it to us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:30:22.000And this is an actress by the name of Whitney Cummings.
00:30:26.000It's a really important piece of tape, her on Real Time with Bill Maher, play cut 355.
00:30:32.000Even Bill Maher couldn't help but laugh at this woman's transformation from liberal to a conservative mom.
00:30:37.000It's been fascinating because I've been on this sort of journey through motherhood where, you know, I've always been a very liberal person, maybe even lived hard.
00:30:47.000But once you have a kid, you start like having thoughts that have been characterized as conservative as soon as I had a kid I was like I need a gun now not for myself because I've got coyotes in my yard I've got coyotes everywhere and before I had a kid I was like they coexist with us coyotes were here first like I'm in the coyotes home now I'm like let's make hats out of them let's make hats let's make coyote boots coyote earrings out of their eyeballs like it's just For first of all,
00:31:22.000And usually they're so crass that that's quite funny.
00:31:25.000And it goes towards a more fundamental truth, which is having children changes you and that is the point is that as we have had a dramatic fertility collapse in the west we shouldn't be shocked at how it's changed us not having children has changed the west and having children can change your core beliefs that is why when we were in the dark night of the soul that is why when we were in the wilderness what did we go and build the entire movement upon the
00:31:55.000parents party It was parents at school board meetings that was the basis that launched us out of the January 6 nightmare, out of the raids, the FBI, the ATF, the DOJ.
00:32:08.000It was grass.roots parents and it is parents that will save this nation.
00:33:40.000There are some celebs that stay libs and they trans their kids and they do all that stuff.
00:33:44.000Okay, but I do believe that if Taylor Swift all of a sudden has a moment when her teachers try and change That's probably a conservatizing event.
00:33:58.000Look, I think Taylor Swift's got to go full Mormon i think six kids minimum i mean think about what a conservative taylor swift would be for the country it'd be an amazing thing and overall i think this is wonderful i hope they have a lot of happiness and i hope they have a lot of joy and a lot of children and i hope the women of america will have less cats and more children your queen is getting married and so should you Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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00:34:30.000Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.