00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, Jason Whitlock, we talk about BLM, Palestine, Martin Luther King, and more in an unscripted, very fun conversation.
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00:01:15.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:17.000It's what I'm going to be going into in detail on my show today.
00:02:23.000And there's what I'm calling the racism bundle.
00:02:30.000And the entire leftist agenda is based on this argument about racism.
00:02:39.000And so they get people to buy into the narrative that America is irredeemably racist, controlled by white supremacists, and people, the last thing anybody wants to be called is a racist.
00:02:56.000And then once they get you afraid of being a racist and committed to being an anti-racist, then they sell you all this other stuff from LGBTQ to being pro-Palestine, being pro-Hamas, being anti-Israel.
00:03:18.000It's all this stuff that's a part of this racism bundle and this brilliant marketing scheme that the left has come up with.
00:03:27.000And so being pro-Palestine, BLM has never hid that.
00:03:33.000If you go look at there's a video of Patrice Colors early on, I think in 2015, talking about being pro-Palestine and seeing Israel as South African apartheid.
00:03:46.000So this is just all a part of the packaging.
00:03:49.000And so when people look out at these college campuses and across the country and these major cities where everybody is protesting in support of Palestine and against Israel, this is all a part of a package that we've been sold from LGBTQ to climate change to Israel is the worst thing on the planet.
00:04:13.000And, you know, they're oppressing the people of Palestine.
00:04:23.000It's almost like a poor man's cable package deal that they're always advertising, right?
00:04:28.000Where you can get a bundle package and you can get your trans stuff, you can get your open border stuff, you can get your Palestine stuff.
00:04:35.000So, Jason, one thing I want to explore with you is that I've been waiting, eagerly waiting, to see whether or not Black America is going to start pushing back against white liberal colonialism, basically, because this is kind of like the choice items of upper middle class, academic, white culture.
00:04:55.000And they're using Black America as a way to try to advance their political agenda.
00:05:00.000I'm starting to see it happen a little bit, but I think this is a breaking point that eventually will occur where the rank and file of the black community wake up and realize that they're used as pawns for ideas that are actually against their own.
00:05:16.000And I do see little signs of people waking up.
00:05:21.000But this whole narrative about racism is so central to the identity of many black people that, again, there's nothing we won't accept as part of the race.
00:05:43.000And so I'll take everything else that comes in the cable bundle to keep my ESPN.
00:05:49.000And this racism narrative with us is idolatry.
00:05:56.000And, you know, we've turned, we've got this racial idolatry problem that allows all these other things that go against our values to glom on to the racial deal.
00:06:08.000And so I think with black women, they've used the racial narrative to advance in corporate America.
00:06:17.000And they're not going, because in order to fully wake up, you're going to have to reckon with like, hey, this narrative we have about racism being the number one problem and destroying all of our lives and so pervasive.
00:06:32.000You got to give that up in order to see the fraudulence, these other things.
00:06:38.000And I'm just not sure if the black woman is going to do that.
00:06:42.000And so many black men are fearful of losing their relationship or access to black women that we go along with that victim narrative to keep peace in the home and to keep peace in our relationships.
00:06:58.000And so it's very difficult, but some people are waking up.
00:07:04.000It's one of the reasons why I spend so much time talking about a biblical worldview of Christianity.
00:07:12.000I'm trying to explain to people like this is a spiritual war.
00:07:18.000And you don't understand how your racial idolatry is walking you away from your biblical values.
00:07:25.000This racism bundle is why you have to be in support of the LGBTQ.
00:07:32.000It's why you have to believe in climate change.
00:07:35.000It's why you have to believe in feminism.
00:07:38.000And so I'm trying to explain to black men, it's like that racial narrative is why you think your woman should be your leader.
00:07:47.000Because feminism comes along with the racial, the racial bundle.
00:07:59.000It takes a pair to stand up against all that.
00:08:03.000And so I do think there are some people waking up, but.
00:08:07.000Well, I love your honest cynicism because it's probably true.
00:08:14.000I'm trying to find some optimism here, but I think you're onto something, though.
00:08:18.000Let me say one other thing as it relates to, because this is an issue white guys don't have to deal with.
00:08:24.000But in order to stand on your biblical values in a real way, now you can go to church on Sunday and then throw out all your biblical values, but in order to stand on them seven days a week, you're going to disrupt your social life.
00:08:40.000You're going to lose a lot of friends and you're not going to get invited to all the things you used to be invited to.
00:08:47.000That's a price black men, heterosexual black men, have to pay that white guys don't, that you can keep a lot of your social circle.
00:08:57.000You don't get thrown out of the white race for being an evangelical.
00:09:02.000No, in fact, it's actually supported in like waspy circles.
00:09:06.000You know, you sit around in a wasp country club and you talk about how insane, you know, the trans thing is until recently when some of the neurotic women get involved.
00:09:15.000But I mean, just for example, you know, in WASP culture, right, white Anglo-Saxon Protestant culture, you're not talking openly about infidelity and you're not necessarily talking about, you know, I don't know, like the most radical trans stuff.
00:09:32.000Where you're considered a race traitor if you actually believe in the Bible?
00:09:38.000It comes from academia, the education system, and it comes from the great society movement and making the government an idol and making the government your God.
00:09:54.000And so there's a lot of people that say they're Christians, but their actions say that government is their actual God and that they took the deal that LBJ and the Democrat Party offered them in the 1960s of a government check and government support rather than a man in your home leading your household.
00:10:18.000People took that deal and we're suffering the consequences of that for the last 60, 70 years.
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00:11:39.000Jason, over the last week and a half, we predicted this last week.
00:11:43.000The level of intensity in language and what you could call roughly the conservative movement has reached a fever pitch on social media.
00:11:50.000It started with, you know, rather agreement, terrible what happened in Israel.
00:11:55.000And as some people started to ask questions or have differences how to respond, all of a sudden the term anti-Semite Jew hater has been thrown out like a frisbee, quite honestly, including myself, which is hilarious.
00:12:07.000Jason, how should we think about this?
00:12:09.000Because we're seeing, and Semaphore wrote an article about this, basically a heated division in the conservative movement, rather unnecessarily over Israel, a foreign country.
00:12:21.000Where does this come from, and why has it become so divisive?
00:12:25.000Well, I mean, wow, that's if you talk about Israel versus Palestine, that's a big, complicated topic.
00:12:32.000And now, when you add in the element, take someone like myself, who is hardcore America first.
00:12:42.000And so we look at the events, the tragedy that happened in Israel, and we're very sympathetic.
00:12:50.000We think it's outrageous, but we're so concerned about what's happening here in America, and we're so skeptical or cynical about like these foreign conflicts and how our emotions get used to involve us in events that lead to a 20-year war in the Middle East and all that.
00:13:12.000And so there have been some of us that are hardcore America first that are like, hey, let's pump the brakes before we just sign off on involving ourselves in a conflict in the Middle East.
00:13:27.000And so I think that has made a lot of people that believe in supporting Israel at all costs uncomfortable.
00:13:38.000I think that we need to have this spirited discussion and debate and come to an agreement or work it out on what our reaction should be and how we should feel.
00:13:53.000There needs to be some disagreement among teammates so that we all reach a higher level of understanding and we're making rational, logical decisions rather than emotional decisions.
00:14:08.000Too many emotional decisions and buttons have been pushed that have provoked us to do things that don't actually work in America's self-interest.
00:15:35.000I'm looking for clarity on how that, how I should act as it relates to the nation, the state of Israel.
00:15:43.000Yeah, and it says repeatedly in the scriptures, Paul says to bless the Jews, right?
00:15:48.000And not to mention the Old Testament in particular, but in the New Testament, it reaffirms that commitment to both the people and the nation of Israel.
00:15:58.000Does that also mean that you must also, you know, agree with everything that the government of Israel is doing?
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00:17:25.000There's a debate also happening on the right where there's these lunatics at Harvard that come out and they have this statement in favor of Palestine, Hamas, or whatever.
00:17:35.000This is a debate that's happening on the right.
00:17:37.000Principally from a biblical worldview, should we put a 20-year-old lunatic that says something stupid and evil and vile and put them on a list, basically a you shall never be forgiven list.
00:17:49.000How should we think about this, Jason?
00:17:51.000Well, certainly not a you shall never be forgiven list.
00:17:58.000Now, if someone wants to put out a list that says, hey, be very leery of this person, if you're thinking about bringing them into your corporate or business setting, they may be a sleeper cell.
00:18:12.000But what I've said, and I've watched the debate between Candace Owens and Megan Kelly, two people that I think are great and awesome and do a good job as leaders on our side of the movement.
00:18:25.000But I'm not for canceling anybody because there were so many stupid things I thought when I was in college.
00:19:14.000Now, I was always a Christian, but that was something I dabbled in and found interesting.
00:19:20.000And now, if you look at me, and this has been for the last 20, 25 years, and I've really honed into it here in the last five years, but the number one thing I'm against is racial idolatry.
00:19:34.000And the nation of Islam is basically founded on racial idolatry.
00:19:38.000And I used to consume a lot of that content.
00:19:42.000And people thought of me as someone who had a great affinity and respect for Louis Farrakhan.
00:19:49.000Now, virtually everything that I stand for and promote directly contradicts the nation of Islam.
00:19:57.000Really, the only thing I ever liked about the nation of Islam is that it called on black men to take responsibility for their families and that community.
00:20:08.000But so I just think young people need an opportunity to mature and grow and evolve.
00:20:14.000I will say what is different, and I thought Candace did a great job of pointing this out, is that these academic institutions, they're all brainwashing young people to believe these things.
00:20:32.000Everybody has this dream of going to college and you need to go to college to be successful.
00:20:38.000And then you go off to these institutions and all the messaging, all the professors, your tests, your exams, your projects are all based around supporting their far left worldview.
00:20:53.000And so should we be surprised that kids spend four or five years on these college campuses and then support every radical leftist movement possible?
00:21:22.000I have a provocative question here, Jason.
00:21:24.000I want you to dive into this because I think you said something really interesting that Nation of Islam, obviously, I'm a Christian, so I have a different worldview.
00:21:31.000But something that they did talk about, they were actually largely pro-life.
00:21:35.000They were against all the gay agenda stuff.
00:21:37.000They did believe in a masculine type of figure.
00:21:41.000Do you think that Black America would have benefited more if they would have embraced more of a Nation of Islam value system, obviously, or a kind of secular trans value?
00:22:31.000You've asked it a little differently at the end than you did at the beginning.
00:22:35.000Well, then you can answer however you want because I'm just riffing.
00:22:40.000Was Malcolm X's vision better than Martin Luther King's vision?
00:22:45.000I think there's an argument that that is accurate, that taking responsibility for yourself, not looking at the government as your solution.
00:22:55.000I think all of those things have great value as it relates to Malcolm X. Your original question kind of more involved the nation of Islam.
00:23:05.000And so, and where that takes me is about eternal salvation.
00:23:11.000And you're not, you know, the nation of Islam, there's quite a bit of fraudulence.
00:23:36.000She got involved in every negative activity you could think of, drug use, the whole nine.
00:23:43.000And joining the Nation of Islam completely remade her and made her a far better person and a more responsible person and just a better person overall.
00:23:57.000And I can remember arguing with people in my family who were hardcore Christians and totally uncomfortable with her being part of the nation of Islam.
00:24:08.000And I was like, well, when she was a Christian, look at what she was involved in and look at what she's involved in now.
00:24:17.000And so do I think those values, if you embrace them, the self-responsibility, obedience to biblical values, obedience or submission to the patriarchy, I think all of those things have great value.
00:24:36.000And if you come through those values on the other side of that, I think, particularly if you're on a search for truth, you're going to return to Christianity, but now with a more firm belief in your values and a stronger commitment to commit to those values and not be willy-nilly about those values.
00:24:57.000And so I can listen to an argument that the Malcolm X way would have served Black people better than this political Christian mashup that we got from Martin Luther King.
00:25:11.000And that's not to denigrate Martin Luther King, but it is the reality that he made Christianity for Black people highly, highly political.
00:25:22.000And we basically throw out our biblical values to serve politics.
00:26:30.000Do you think that strong black families and having strong men, is there a conspiracy behind that or is it just a happenstance of J. Edgar Hoover's regime?
00:26:40.000Well, I mean, Satan is not a conspiracy.
00:26:44.000And so without attaching J. Edgar Hoover or LBJ to that, but Satan uses people to accomplish his goals as well.
00:26:57.000And so what we saw in the 60s was all about what's playing out now, the patriarchy, male leadership.
00:27:06.000And again, let's go to the book of Genesis and the way God, the natural order that he prescribed for us, they're uprooting all of that.
00:27:15.000And so it's not just about, and we'll go back to the very beginning of this conversation about the racism bundle.
00:27:24.000They're using the racism bundle to accomplish their real goal, to destroy male leadership, to destroy the patriarchy, for us all to submit to this divine feminine energy.
00:27:38.000And again, what's playing out is the book of Genesis in real life in terms of women.
00:27:45.000stealing control from men and the consequences of that.
00:27:51.000And that'll make me far, you know, really unpopular.
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00:29:47.000All right, Jason, I don't know if this is public.
00:29:48.000Are you able to talk about the football thing that we're talking about?
00:29:50.000If not, the first thing I texted back is I said, Jason, I'm all into the pass, you know, making sure you do things in alignment.
00:30:01.000But the one indulgence, I admit it, my audience is ready to destroy me is football.
00:30:34.000They'll send FBI infiltrators to paint us as white supremacists.
00:30:41.000They'll plant agitators to make sure that there's some sort of violence at the event.
00:30:46.000And then they'll run us through their court system, particularly if we went to D.C., they'd run us in front of an all-Democrat jury.
00:30:56.000And just like they're doing the January 6th people, throw us underneath jails.
00:31:00.000And so if we can't do that, how do we make our voices known?
00:31:08.000And I think the only thing that has really worked are these boycotts.
00:31:13.000did some things with Bud Light and Target that were effective and sent out our message and made them come to heal and like, whoa, okay, if they're going to do this, they've escalated the price for some of this messaging and promotion of the satanic stuff that we like to do.
00:31:35.000And so the Super Bowl is Christmas for corporate America.
00:31:40.000It's the biggest platform we have here in America to voice an opinion.
00:31:45.000They've been using the Super Bowl to promote all these secular values and all these satanic values.
00:31:51.000And they've been platforming every, you know, the NFL is gay commercial and all the promotion of the matriarchy and all the promotion of Black Lives Matter.
00:32:02.000They're using football to promote their values and their agenda.
00:32:07.000I think we have an opportunity to use football in the same way by boycotting the Super Bowl.
00:32:14.000If somehow we had a counter event, and it could be just our shows and online, on the internet, and we somehow affect Super Bowl television ratings by 5 or 10 or 15 percent.
00:32:31.000That's a way of making people talk about our concerns and being very disruptive and sending a message to corporate America that we've had enough.
00:32:42.000I went to college on a football scholarship.
00:32:45.000I built my brand writing and talking about football.
00:32:56.000And I think the product is much weaker.
00:32:59.000But I'm asking those of us in this movement to consider organizing and rallying together.
00:33:08.000The only reason I'm slightly uncomfortable talking about this, and I'm really not, but I've questioned myself, am I the right person to lead this?
00:33:20.000Because, you know, I'm really polarizing.