The Charlie Kirk Show - The Bravery of Ordinary People with Chaya Raichik and Mike Cernovich

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00:01:13.000 Joining us now is one of the most important people fighting for liberty and for the innocence of our children.

00:01:21.000 She has done an amazing job to expose the degeneracy and the treachery of the left.

00:01:27.000 You might know her on social media as Libs of TikTok. 0.87

00:01:30.000 Taylor Lorenz tried to destroy her.

00:01:33.000 And she's stronger than ever.

00:01:35.000 And her story is a remarkable one.

00:01:37.000 She reaches millions of people every single day just finding the videos of the groomers, of the predators, of the very bad people that are going after your children, the drag queens, the teachers.

00:01:49.000 And she posts the videos as a way to educate you.

00:01:52.000 And because of that, the left hates her. 0.97

00:01:54.000 In fact, AOC mentioned her by name to try to get her kicked off Twitter. 0.86

00:01:58.000 And she's a fabulous person.

00:02:00.000 And she joins us now.

00:02:02.000 Chaya Rachik, welcome to the program.

00:02:05.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:02:06.000 It's so great to be here.

00:02:07.000 Thank you.

00:02:08.000 And congratulations on all of your success.

00:02:10.000 I want to go through your book and I want to go through what you are working on.

00:02:15.000 But why don't you tell our audience your story?

00:02:17.000 It's a very interesting one.

00:02:20.000 So I started basically, I stumbled upon TikTok during COVID and I noticed what was going on there, you know, with all of the activists and groomers and predators and they were everywhere.

00:02:34.000 They're in the classroom.

00:02:35.000 They're in the medical industry.

00:02:36.000 They're in every single institution.

00:02:38.000 And these videos obviously shocked me.

00:02:42.000 And I was like, I got to share this with more people.

00:02:44.000 So I started sharing the videos to Twitter and I made this account called Libs of TikTok.

00:02:50.000 And the videos would get a lot of attention.

00:02:53.000 They would go viral and my account just exploded.

00:02:55.000 I think Americans were just really shocked to see what was going on in a way that we've never seen before.

00:03:03.000 And specifically within the schools, because we have this situation where, you know, Republicans are saying, you know, they're grooming kids in schools and they're indoctrinating them with LGBTQ plus whatever propaganda.

00:03:15.000 They're teaching kids critical race theory.

00:03:17.000 And the left says, no, it's not happening.

00:03:20.000 You know, it's a conspiracy.

00:03:21.000 You're a right-wing conspiracy theorist.

00:03:23.000 And then I was able to come with all of this really first-hand evidence of teachers themselves saying about how they're grooming kids and how they're teaching critical race theory.

00:03:32.000 And I think that a lot of the work I've done has been able to disprove some of the lies that the left likes to push.

00:03:39.000 Yeah, and you've been incredibly effective.

00:03:41.000 In fact, let's play Cut 105.

00:03:43.000 This is Yoel Roth and AOC.

00:03:45.000 They deserve each other.

00:03:46.000 Let's just put it that way.

00:03:48.000 Dialoguing back and forth.

00:03:49.000 AOC demanding that you're kicked off Twitter, PlayCut 105.

00:03:54.000 Are you familiar with the account Libs of TikTok?

00:03:58.000 I have heard of it from the news, yes.

00:04:01.000 Mr. Roth, are you familiar with this account?

00:04:04.000 Yes, ma'am, I am.

00:04:06.000 Are you aware from that from August 11th to August 16th, that account posted false information about Boston Children's Hospital, claiming that they were providing hysterectomies to children?

00:04:19.000 And this account is still on that platform today, isn't it?

00:04:23.000 Regrettably, yes, it is.

00:04:26.000 Wait a second.

00:04:27.000 They are performing mutilation surgeries.

00:04:29.000 They've advertised it.

00:04:30.000 Is that not right?

00:04:32.000 Exactly.

00:04:33.000 And that's one of the other things is that the left likes to play this game where they're like, you know, this is not happening.

00:04:38.000 There's no children are getting their body parts chopped off.

00:04:42.000 And then I, together with some others, were able to come and show some evidence.

00:04:47.000 And then, you know, the only response they have is to censor because then, you know, there's no one showing them that they're wrong.

00:04:54.000 But, you know, I think I was one of the most censored Twitter accounts.

00:04:57.000 I think I had seven or eight temporary suspensions.

00:05:01.000 I was never permanently suspended.

00:05:03.000 And it just shows how terrified they are of their own views and opinions because they just don't hold up to scrutiny.

00:05:10.000 And that's all I was doing.

00:05:12.000 I'm just showing them what's happening, what they themselves are saying, and they just can't tolerate it.

00:05:16.000 Yeah, when you expose a predator, they don't like it.

00:05:19.000 There used to be a show, To Catch a Predator.

00:05:21.000 Wasn't that a show on ABC?

00:05:24.000 I think that was a show for a while.

00:05:26.000 People compare my account to that a lot.

00:05:27.000 Oh, is that right?

00:05:28.000 That's very, I just came up with that right now, but it's certainly true.

00:05:31.000 Okay, so I want to ask a question here about you personally.

00:05:35.000 For a while, you were operating with anonymity and didn't put your name out there.

00:05:42.000 I don't think you planned to eventually come out, but Taylor Lorenz kind of forced your hand.

00:05:48.000 How has your life personally changed now that you no longer have to worry about being anonymous?

00:05:54.000 Are you happier?

00:05:55.000 Is it easier?

00:05:56.000 Or do you miss the days of being anonymous?

00:06:00.000 Look, I'll be honest, I never expected for my name to be out there in my face.

00:06:09.000 It's not something I ever planned for.

00:06:12.000 I was sort of just doing my account, sort of, you know, I felt like I was doing a public service.

00:06:18.000 And then I never expected the backlash I would get from the left and the eventual docs thing.

00:06:24.000 But I think that with everything in life, like, you know, you can either rise to the occasion or you can let it get you down.

00:06:33.000 And I think that the reason they came after me was in the hopes to intimidate me into silence.

00:06:40.000 And I was never going to let that happen because I think this work is just too important.

00:06:44.000 So, you know, now that this situation happened, I was doxxed.

00:06:48.000 There was nothing really I could do about it.

00:06:50.000 I am, you know, learning to embrace it and live with it.

00:06:54.000 And I think in the end, there is a little bit of a silver lining because the whole point of Lives of TikTok is to show the American people what the far left agenda is, that they're coming after our children.

00:07:05.000 And Taylor Lorenz gave me so much exposure.

00:07:08.000 My following tripled in a matter of weeks.

00:07:12.000 So, you know, there is a silver lining in that.

00:07:14.000 I think I'll be much more effective now.

00:07:17.000 So, you know, it's not all bad, but it's definitely not something that I ever planned to do.

00:07:22.000 Yeah.

00:07:23.000 And just for people in the audience that are not familiar, basically, what the Lipzick TikTok account became was a daily, sometimes hourly drumbeat of going through the social media application, TikTok, and just seeing all the trans posting in the genre of children, especially, and screen recording that, and then just publicizing it.

00:07:46.000 Is that a fair way to summarize basically the work that you did?

00:07:50.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:07:51.000 And then it expanded to be on TikTok.

00:07:53.000 I mean, I was taking Instagram reels and YouTube videos and screenshots from hospitals and schools' websites, but basically just showing the idea is showing people what the left is doing in their own words.

00:08:07.000 So there's very, very simple commentary.

00:08:09.000 This is not clandestine.

00:08:11.000 This is not like you were hacking emails.

00:08:13.000 This was all publicly available information.

00:08:16.000 Just to respond really quick to AOC, turns out the Boston's Children's Hospital advertises medical mutilation of children, PlayCut 58.

00:08:26.000 So most of the patients that we have in the GEMS clinic actually know their gender, usually around the age of puberty, but a good portion of children do know as early as seemingly from the womb.

00:08:35.000 And they will usually express their gender identity as very young children.

00:08:39.000 Some, as soon as they can talk, they might say phrases such as, I'm a girl, or I'm a boy, or I'm going to be a woman, or I'm going to be a mom.

00:08:46.000 Kids know very, very early.

00:08:48.000 So in the GEMS clinic, we see a variety of young children all the way down to ages two and three, and usually up to the ages of nine.

00:08:56.000 Now, you've spent a fair amount of time on TikTok.

00:08:58.000 Let me ask you a question in the minute and a half we have remaining in this segment.

00:09:01.000 Do you think that the rising amount of kids identifying as trans is largely because of TikTok?

00:09:10.000 Yes, I think it is absolutely a social contagion, and I think TikTok is a big driver of that.

00:09:17.000 So about 45 seconds, explain to the older listeners that might be skeptical of that why.

00:09:23.000 They say, how could somebody become trans because of a social media app?

00:09:27.000 Well, the idea of TikTok is to target kids, right?

00:09:31.000 You don't see really a lot of older people on it.

00:09:33.000 It's very kid-friendly.

00:09:35.000 And the Chinese algorithm, they feed this stuff specifically to American kids.

00:09:42.000 So they're feeding these trans activist content, you know, telling kids, look, go on puberty blockers.

00:09:47.000 You might be the opposite gender. 1.00

00:09:49.000 Maybe you'll be happier.

00:09:50.000 And I believe that it's a really sophisticated algorithm that's directly feeding this to our children.

00:09:57.000 That's exactly right.

00:09:58.000 I just want everyone to understand.

00:10:00.000 I mean, look, TikTok owned by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:10:05.000 We have enough evidence for me to say this.

00:10:08.000 I, on good authority, believe, and I think any rational person would, that the Chinese Communist Party military installations are programming the algorithm to make our children more likely to be trans, to try to get young men to be ashamed of their country. 0.97

00:10:23.000 The CCP has a gateway into every single one of our kids via TikTok.

00:10:29.000 Why are we putting up with that?

00:10:30.000 That's a political question.

00:10:31.000 We're going to answer that.

00:10:32.000 I have such great respect for this guest, and we have another segment.

00:10:36.000 By the way, she observes the Shabbos, which I have great respect for.

00:10:39.000 I do as well.

00:10:40.000 And she's an observant Jew.

00:10:42.000 She's terrific.

00:10:43.000 Her name is Chaya Raychik, and you might know her as Libs of TikTok. 0.72

00:10:46.000 She has a book you guys should buy, by the way, called No More Secrets, The Candy Cavern.

00:10:50.000 We're going to talk about that and the drama associated.

00:10:54.000 She's special.

00:10:55.000 The Lord has given us Libsa TikTok as a way to expose the evil darkness and the deeds and the misgivings.

00:11:01.000 I don't know where we would be in the trans issue without the Libs of TikTok. 1.00

00:11:05.000 We'd be on a lot of speculative ground and not as well informed.

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00:12:23.000 In the era of mass censorship, ordinary but brave people have a lot of power.

00:12:29.000 It's really an extraordinary thing.

00:12:32.000 Literally, billions of people, I don't want to say billions, hundreds of millions of people have seen the content from Libs of TikTok.

00:12:39.000 Potentially billions.

00:12:40.000 I don't want to exaggerate though.

00:12:42.000 And Tria Raychik has just been posting what's happening on TikTok.

00:12:45.000 That shows that every one of you in this audience can make a difference.

00:12:48.000 You just do the right thing and you do it boldly and you do it courageously.

00:12:53.000 You can move the Overton window.

00:12:55.000 We would not have the legislative action that we are seeing on the medica mutilation issue if it was not for Libs of TikTok. 0.99

00:13:03.000 So, Tria, you have a new book out.

00:13:05.000 Tell us about it.

00:13:06.000 It's called No More Secrets.

00:13:07.000 And also, it got protested.

00:13:09.000 Tell us all about it.

00:13:11.000 Yes.

00:13:12.000 So for the last two years, I've basically been exposing groomers and predators who are targeting our children.

00:13:18.000 And then the pattern of a groomer who wants to prey on a kid is to cut out the parent, to isolate the child, to sever the parent-child relationship, and then to prey on the kid.

00:13:32.000 So, you know, I was like, look, I've been exposing this for two years, and I think the time has come for me to actually put out a tool which could help parents and children to combat this and to help kids not fall into that trap.

00:13:46.000 So I wrote a kid's book, No More Secrets.

00:13:50.000 It's available on lottbook.com, but it basically teaches kids and parents.

00:13:55.000 It strengthens the family unit and it helps create that trust between parents and kids.

00:14:01.000 Where if there is a trusted adult who tells a child, you know, don't tell your parents this.

00:14:07.000 We can keep this between us.

00:14:08.000 This is a secret between us.

00:14:10.000 The child should know that that is groomer behavior and this person could potentially be a predator.

00:14:16.000 So I think it's a really valuable tool and I've gotten great feedback from it.

00:14:21.000 And then this past week, I posted a story about how the Attorney General of New York, Letitia James, was going to be hosting a drag story hour, which has become super common across America.

00:14:34.000 And I was like, you know, I should hold a counter story hour with something that isn't groomer, groomer material, right?

00:14:42.000 So I was going to hold a story hour in New York City down the street from her story hour at the same time, reading my book.

00:14:50.000 And then we hired some online security experts to sort of assess if there was any chatter about potential harmful actions by people who are opposed to me.

00:15:04.000 And there was.

00:15:05.000 So, you know, we got threats.

00:15:07.000 We've had people threatening to show up, dressed inappropriately, or try to distribute things to children inappropriately and even cause damage and violence.

00:15:18.000 So unfortunately, we have to cancel that.

00:15:20.000 We have an email here from one of our listeners saying, Charlie, my wife and I just turned off our 11-year-old granddaughter's phone.

00:15:27.000 Okay, she's 11.

00:15:27.000 She shouldn't have a phone.

00:15:28.000 That's a separate issue.

00:15:29.000 We provide to her because she started talking about maybe being bisexual and trans.

00:15:35.000 Her mom then found TikTok on her phone.

00:15:37.000 She gets it back if she passes some hurdles and strong parental control out on.

00:15:41.000 Well, no, she shouldn't have the phone at all.

00:15:42.000 But Tri, can you just talk about, I mean, this is, this is a social contagion.

00:15:45.000 Parents need to be vigilant.

00:15:47.000 I mean, if you have, if your kid has a phone, why even have TikTok on it at all?

00:15:53.000 I mean, again, you can have a phone, just call only phones.

00:15:56.000 When I mean not have a phone, not have a smartphone.

00:15:58.000 That's what I mean, okay?

00:15:59.000 But I don't.

00:16:00.000 I grew up in a country where no one had cell phones when you were 12, and it was a great place to grow up.

00:16:04.000 And I miss that control.

00:16:06.000 And it was freer and it was happier and it was more joyful.

00:16:09.000 And yes, your parents weren't able to text you during class all the time, but people were safe and you maybe had to just take care of yourself.

00:16:16.000 And there wasn't like geolocation tracking at all times for the neuroticism out there.

00:16:21.000 I mean, I got to be honest, Try, like, what is wrong with these parents?

00:16:23.000 Any parent out there that if your kid has TikTok, I just, I doubt you're doing your job.

00:16:28.000 I mean that as lovingly as possible, but you're a negligent parent.

00:16:31.000 Do you agree?

00:16:33.000 I 100% agree.

00:16:34.000 And it's not just TikTok.

00:16:35.000 It's Instagram as well.

00:16:37.000 I mean, I've been vocal about this before.

00:16:40.000 I don't think kids, I probably wouldn't give my kid a smartphone until they were like 16, maybe even later.

00:16:46.000 I mean, there's no need for it.

00:16:47.000 I think 18, but you're about right.

00:16:48.000 Yeah.

00:16:49.000 18.

00:16:51.000 But Instagram and TikTok specifically, the whole idea of it is, I mean, TikTok for sure is to sow division in America.

00:17:04.000 Like we discussed this just earlier, like the Chinese created this to sow division in America and to confuse our children. 1.00

00:17:11.000 They want American children to grow up, be confused about their identity.

00:17:15.000 It's going to be a chaotic and disruptive society.

00:17:18.000 And that's what the Chinese dream of. 0.98

00:17:20.000 They say it openly.

00:17:21.000 I mean, they don't say it as bluntly as you.

00:17:23.000 The Chinese Communist Party wants to take over the country and they do it via TikTok. 1.00

00:17:26.000 They're doing it by TikTok.

00:17:27.000 It's the opium wars, but the opium, well, they're doing fentanyl too.

00:17:30.000 The opium that they're putting, though, is a dopamine addiction.

00:17:33.000 And then all of a sudden offering this trans lifestyle for these kids. 0.89

00:17:38.000 It is totally sick. 0.99

00:17:38.000 And it's sick. 0.99

00:17:40.000 We need to do something about it.

00:17:41.000 10 seconds.

00:17:41.000 Just another interesting note is if you read stories of parents who were able to successfully remove their child from the trans cult, the first thing they say that they do is to remove all internet and remove social media, take away the phone.

00:17:56.000 That's the first thing parents do.

00:17:57.000 Try a Rachik. 1.00

00:17:58.000 Libs of TikTok.

00:17:59.000 A blessing from the Lord.

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00:19:07.000 Joining us now is the legendary Mike Cernovich.

00:19:11.000 Cerno has some strong opinions on the DeSantis and Trump deal.

00:19:15.000 Welcome back to the program.

00:19:16.000 What are your thoughts?

00:19:18.000 Yeah, my thoughts are that I was surprised to see that Ron DeSantis and his team blew their moment to become head-to-head against a New York Soros district attorney to elevate himself to a national profile, to rile up the fake news media and the regime propagandists.

00:19:39.000 I think it was one of the most biggest missed opportunities of a political campaign season.

00:19:45.000 Tell me why.

00:19:46.000 What should have been said?

00:19:48.000 And do you think it kind of changed or put context in the 2024 race?

00:19:53.000 Right.

00:19:53.000 What would you, what you would say is everything that Ron DeSantis said until the final paragraph.

00:19:58.000 That was a killer statement.

00:20:01.000 But you have to know, as you know, Charlie, if you're in media, how the videos are going to be clipped.

00:20:05.000 Yes.

00:20:06.000 You have to know what to take out.

00:20:08.000 And that final paragraph is calling it a sideshow.

00:20:13.000 I'm not going to get involved.

00:20:14.000 I'm focusing on issues that matter.

00:20:16.000 What in the world are you thinking?

00:20:18.000 A sideshow?

00:20:19.000 The selective prosecution and persecution of Americans happening when Dinesh D'Souza was wrongfully indicted.

00:20:26.000 Steve Shannon.

00:20:28.000 Yeah, Bannon.

00:20:31.000 I was talking to Dinesh's daughter actually earlier today, and I was reminded of the Dinesh case, the Ricky Vaughn meme case.

00:20:38.000 And you can always show an example of the left doing the same crime and not being prosecuted. 0.84

00:20:42.000 So Hillary Clinton and the Steele dossier, she did bad business record keeping too, which is allegedly what Trump did.

00:20:49.000 There's no investigation or indictment for her.

00:20:52.000 So the fact that Mr. DeSantis, Governor DeSantis, saw this as a Trump issue was huge, huge mistake.

00:20:59.000 Why do you think that is?

00:21:00.000 Do you think that it was just bad calculation, just getting bad advice, a chance to kind of get one up?

00:21:09.000 I mean, you've been very positive on DeSantis up until this point.

00:21:13.000 Right.

00:21:14.000 They're still in the policy wonk phase that the 2015, 2016 election didn't put to bed the argument that you need to have a white paper.

00:21:23.000 And, you know, so I'll give you, I'll give you an example, not to throw shade on Shapiro, but Shapiro is articulating more like the Ron DeSantis argument, which is, well, technically he couldn't stop an extradition and Trump is going to surrender himself anyway.

00:21:36.000 Therefore, why would you even get involved?

00:21:39.000 Yeah, that's called legal formalism.

00:21:41.000 That's called literalism.

00:21:42.000 And that isn't how you win elections.

00:21:44.000 It's about attitude.

00:21:45.000 You win an election, but with an attitude.

00:21:47.000 People are voting for an attitude, a spirit, a tone, a tenor, and a mantra, not specifics.

00:21:53.000 Right.

00:21:54.000 Nobody cares about the weeds.

00:21:55.000 Nobody cares.

00:21:56.000 I get an example from the UFC.

00:21:58.000 Ask a mixed martial arts fan or UFC fan, hey, what's Nate Diaz's record?

00:22:03.000 No one cares.

00:22:04.000 Everybody says he should have a title fight.

00:22:06.000 Why?

00:22:06.000 Because you know he shows up and he shows up to fight.

00:22:09.000 Nobody cares if you lose, if you actually fight and you put on a good fight.

00:22:13.000 People forget real quick.

00:22:14.000 That's why the expression is always there's a belt holder and then there's the people's champion.

00:22:19.000 And if you want to become the people's champion, then you have to be taking on fights that are valid and just and righteous.

00:22:25.000 Moreover, DeSantis would have won this fight because the response to the legal formalism and literalism of the Shapiro types is, yeah, yes, I know this stuff too.

00:22:35.000 I also went to law school.

00:22:37.000 That's why you say you leave it open-ended on extradition because Trump is going to surrender himself anyway.

00:22:43.000 Everybody knows that anyway.

00:22:44.000 So all of that, what happened was DeSantis would have left it open.

00:22:48.000 Well, we'll review things appropriately and we'll ensure that we're protecting the Constitution, protecting the rights of all Floridians.

00:22:54.000 And then the media would go, oh, so you're not going to extradite anyone.

00:22:57.000 I never said that.

00:22:58.000 And now it's you against the Soros DA.

00:23:00.000 You the one who strikes back against the Soros DA and the violent crimes that they allow.

00:23:05.000 And Trump's going to go in anyway.

00:23:07.000 So you don't even have to do anything.

00:23:10.000 How do you miss that?

00:23:10.000 So it's such a gimme.

00:23:12.000 Well, and it's also misreading the base where Trump is still beloved by the base.

00:23:17.000 Even if people are annoyed with him and people are kind of like, oh, I wish he wouldn't do the name-calling thing.

00:23:23.000 There is a belief that he's kind of the patriarch of the conservative movement.

00:23:28.000 You know, he's there.

00:23:30.000 He's the top guy where it's like, okay, he said some stuff, but he defended our country and he stepped up and he has an attitude of winning.

00:23:38.000 And there is a belief amongst the vast majority of the base that Donald Trump has been mistreated for years.

00:23:46.000 And they believe this to be another chapter in that.

00:23:50.000 And they're not wrong.

00:23:51.000 I mean, whether it be Russia Gate, the two impeachments, spying on Trump, Zuckerboxes, Fauci and Burks lying to him, there has been a pretty reliable, I mean, not reliable, but pretty proven pattern that Trump has been poorly treated. 0.81

00:24:07.000 And some people say, oh, he brought it upon himself.

00:24:08.000 That's nonsense.

00:24:09.000 The FBI should never spy on a sitting president and launch a coup to remove a president.

00:24:13.000 I want to get your thoughts here, sort of it's just from a messaging standpoint.

00:24:16.000 I actually thought Ron DeSantis handled this question pretty well, pretty magnanimously with Piers Morgan.

00:24:23.000 Why he's sitting down with Piers Morgan to say that I could become president is a strange place to probe that out.

00:24:30.000 But I actually thought he handled this part pretty well.

00:24:31.000 Play cut 43.

00:24:34.000 Is your favorite nickname that Trump's given you so far?

00:24:37.000 Is it Ron DeSanctimonius or Meatball Raw?

00:24:40.000 Well, I can't.

00:24:41.000 Even he went off meatball wrong.

00:24:42.000 I can't, I don't know how to spell the sanctimonious.

00:24:45.000 I don't really know what it means, but I kind of like it's long.

00:24:48.000 It's got a lot of vowels.

00:24:49.000 I mean, so we go with that.

00:24:50.000 That's fine.

00:24:51.000 You know, you can call me and you can call me whatever you want.

00:24:53.000 I mean, just as long as you, you know, also call me a winner.

00:24:57.000 Cerno, your reaction.

00:24:59.000 Right.

00:24:59.000 Great clip.

00:25:00.000 That's DeSantis at his best.

00:25:01.000 That's why maybe I was overdramatic, but you guys know me by now.

00:25:05.000 You guys, you guys know what you're getting.

00:25:07.000 People know what they got to sign up for.

00:25:08.000 And that's why I was saying I was heartbroken by the statement because I could, it's like I could.

00:25:14.000 And of course, my texts were blown up because everybody, you know, everybody knows my view on how critical I've been on a lot of the things Trump said.

00:25:22.000 So everybody made sure that I saw the clip, my DMs, all my friends.

00:25:26.000 Oh, have you seen this?

00:25:27.000 Like, oh, great.

00:25:28.000 What a way to wake up to you.

00:25:29.000 So I was heartbroken that DeSantis would have included that final paragraph and blown that moment so huge.

00:25:36.000 Going on, Pierre's, I mean, the timing is really not good, but he's got to have his interviews.

00:25:42.000 I don't knock him for that.

00:25:44.000 I knock him for missing the plot here, which is the use of law enforcement to terrorize Americans.

00:25:50.000 There's going to be a thousand more people arrested because the new theory is that if you were even on the Capitol grounds, you were technically trespassing.

00:25:58.000 This is falling level stuff, man.

00:26:01.000 I've read about this.

00:26:02.000 This is interesting.

00:26:02.000 Let's dive into that.

00:26:04.000 There's a chapter two dragnet that's about to be launched.

00:26:07.000 Is that correct?

00:26:09.000 Yeah, this is flown totally under the radar because of the tell our audience about it.

00:26:14.000 Right.

00:26:14.000 So they've, as we know, there were maybe 50 to 100 people who behaved like thugs and did what we don't do.

00:26:20.000 We don't riot.

00:26:21.000 We don't hit the police.

00:26:23.000 This isn't us.

00:26:23.000 50 to 100 people did it.

00:26:25.000 We all agree they had to face some kind of consequences, but they should be the same that Antifa faced.

00:26:30.000 And probably half the people who were really violent were embeds, but a different issue.

00:26:36.000 A bunch of people just went in, walking in.

00:26:39.000 They didn't know what was going on.

00:26:40.000 They just walked in the Capitol.

00:26:41.000 They look around.

00:26:42.000 They took some selfies.

00:26:43.000 Well, those are trespassers and they've disrupted an official proceeding.

00:26:46.000 The next dragnet is going to be the people that were outside, right?

00:26:50.000 So they got everybody who went inside.

00:26:52.000 And the next theory is that if you were even on Capitol grounds, then you are in a restricted area and therefore you're going to be charged with violating a restricted area.

00:27:02.000 That's the next question.

00:27:03.000 Where is this story coming from?

00:27:05.000 I read it on a couple blogs that, let's just say, have a mixed track record of being accurate.

00:27:12.000 I trust you, though, Mike.

00:27:13.000 Where do you get that?

00:27:14.000 Where is this coming from?

00:27:15.000 Well, the Department of Justice sent a memo, the head prosecutor sent a memo to the judges saying that the DC courts and jails are going to be overwhelmed unless they manage the next dragnet properly.

00:27:25.000 And they've said to expect at least another 1,000 indictments.

00:27:29.000 And how many people were in the Capitol?

00:27:31.000 They got most of the people into the Capitol.

00:27:33.000 So I'm not saying they're getting everybody on the grass, but they're winnowing back now.

00:27:38.000 Where, okay, we got as many people as we could who went into the Capitol.

00:27:41.000 And now we're going to get the people who were outside of the Capitol.

00:27:43.000 And they wanted everybody on the ground.

00:27:45.000 They wanted 10,000 diamonds, Charlie.

00:27:46.000 I know that specifically based on sourcing, not from what I was reading in these other things.

00:27:52.000 But if you notice, I haven't linked to those sites either.

00:27:55.000 So I'm basing that on, I know for a fact that they wanted to indict over 10,000 people, but that was seen as too much.

00:28:01.000 So they're trying to move the line back from, okay, well, they didn't go into the Capitol, but they were on the Capitol steps.

00:28:06.000 So we're going to move the line back as far as we possibly can.

00:28:11.000 And that's, again, you can read between the lines when the U.S. attorney is telling the judges, be prepared for another thousand.

00:28:18.000 It's coming.

00:28:19.000 I mean, and this is why violent crime is going up dramatically in our country.

00:28:24.000 And so that's an interesting connection.

00:28:26.000 So basically, what you're saying is the theme of the Stalinistic chapter that is growing, DeSantis kind of acted as if this was some kind of a wonky like civil settlement, kept on kind of going to like, oh, porn star payment, kind of missing.

00:28:41.000 I mean, the metaphorical force from the trees is so cliche to say that, but boy, is it true?

00:28:45.000 It's like, no, no, you don't understand.

00:28:46.000 Like, this is the night of the long lives, the night of the long knives in kind of Nazi times, where they're coming after anybody that's a political dissident.

00:28:55.000 And we were looking for a moment where someone would lean in and say, no, no, no, you have to go through me first.

00:29:01.000 Yeah, you have to understand that that's the most significant issue facing the country right now: the anarcho-tyranny.

00:29:08.000 The fact that we all saw that video yesterday that you can be a psychopath on a train harassing people, terrorizing people.

00:29:16.000 And law-abiding citizens know, oh, if I actually defend myself or my family, a Soros DAO indict me.

00:29:21.000 That bodega guy got indicted. 0.90

00:29:23.000 If that bodega, remember that bodega owner, uh, Jose?

00:29:26.000 No, no, no, no, yeah, that's exactly right.

00:29:28.000 Yeah, he did the right thing because the guy came with a knife or something, if I remember correctly, and he defended himself.

00:29:34.000 It was this whole thing.

00:29:35.000 If it wasn't for public outrage, he would have gone to jail.

00:29:38.000 And if the bodega owner had been a white man, he would have accused him.

00:29:41.000 No doubt that the fact that he was Central American or of Latino descent, I think, helped him actually in that case.

00:29:48.000 Praise God, he got off because I don't remember all the specifics, but it's actually he was the owner.

00:29:52.000 And then I think a black criminal came in to rob him, and then he defended himself. 0.99

00:29:57.000 And then they go after, they make him the enemy. 0.98

00:30:00.000 Is that right?

00:30:00.000 Something of that, of that nature.

00:30:02.000 And that's the sad, tragic issue of the Soros DAs, too, is everybody knows now that it's racialized, where before the Soros DAs came in, you would just say a criminal came in, a man defended himself, and nothing happened because the man defended himself.

00:30:16.000 I said that intentionally because it actually factored into the decision.

00:30:21.000 I don't like talking about race, nor do you, but that unfortunately was part of the recipe of why they went after the bodega owner.

00:30:28.000 And why the bodega owner wasn't prosecuted?

00:30:30.000 Yes.

00:30:31.000 Because they were going to get him.

00:30:32.000 And then they said, oh, I guess we don't have him now.

00:30:34.000 There's that infamous case where that drill sergeant was trying to protect his neighborhood from some guy who would show up and apparently had two previous police contacts.

00:30:44.000 That guy's whole life was destroyed.

00:30:46.000 And if you Google the story, Sergeant First Class, I forget his last name, but if you Google the story, the entitle media framing of it is white man, black teenager.

00:30:58.000 So, Mike, you said, quote, if DeSantis should not even bother running if Trump is arrested.

00:31:01.000 Can you elaborate on that just briefly?

00:31:04.000 DeSantis is an incredibly popular, successful, accomplished governor, running things, laying a blueprint that every governor could follow.

00:31:13.000 The only criticism I have of Youngkin and Abbott in Texas is that they're not running the same playbook as DeSantis, which is a winning thing.

00:31:22.000 So why bloody your nose if you're not going to win, right?

00:31:26.000 Why get in there and potentially damage your reputation, maybe risk a primary challenger in your next election when you can be America's governor, where you can be the most popular governor in the country, where you can have historical impact on the world. 0.69

00:31:41.000 Why leave that gig when an indicted Trump, especially if the charges are what they appear to be and such ridiculous nonsense, a paperbook error.

00:31:51.000 So you made a paperwork error, misdemeanor, but we're going to turn that to a felony. 0.68

00:31:56.000 What a joke.

00:31:57.000 So how do you win?

00:31:59.000 How do you beat Trump if you do that, right?

00:32:00.000 That's what you have to ask yourself.

00:32:01.000 If you're going to run the primary, you run for two reasons, right?

00:32:05.000 One is you don't have a name and you want to have a name.

00:32:07.000 That's why GOP primaries have always been 17 people, 20 people.

00:32:12.000 It's an audition for a Fox News position.

00:32:14.000 That's why Mike.

00:32:15.000 It's exactly right.

00:32:17.000 Yes.

00:32:17.000 And a way to get a book deal and actually kind of live an above a lifestyle you otherwise wouldn't be able to afford, go to nice places and, you know, be applauded and talk to people.

00:32:27.000 And who knows what comes out of that, right?

00:32:29.000 It's like a cottage industry, basically.

00:32:31.000 Yeah.

00:32:32.000 So that's why Pompeo is running.

00:32:33.000 Nikki Haley is running these people.

00:32:34.000 They're jokes.

00:32:35.000 They don't have any kind of chance.

00:32:36.000 So you run if you want to do that.

00:32:38.000 Well, DeSantis' book sold really well.

00:32:40.000 And I know a lot of the people on Twitter wrongfully are claiming that there were shenanigans with that.

00:32:44.000 There's not.

00:32:45.000 DeSantis is a very popular governor. 0.99

00:32:47.000 I want MAGA.

00:32:48.000 Just like I know a lot of DeSantis people are mad at me because I say things that they don't like and I don't care.

00:32:53.000 Whatever, just want the truth.

00:32:54.000 I mean, yeah, I get it from both sides.

00:32:56.000 I mean, I've endorsed Trump because I was 24, but I love DeSantis.

00:32:59.000 And you just got to tell the truth.

00:33:00.000 Keep going.

00:33:01.000 Right.

00:33:02.000 So DeSantis is popular.

00:33:03.000 He's got the book deal.

00:33:04.000 He's America's governor.

00:33:05.000 He's on the speaking tour for the rest of his life.

00:33:07.000 He said he doesn't need to run so that he can build his name like Mike Pompeo.

00:33:11.000 He needs to run if he's going to win.

00:33:13.000 So then you have to ask yourself, what's my path to victory when Trump is being indicted, which everyone knows from social psychology, that when you're attacked in that manner, your support becomes stronger.

00:33:24.000 This is where most conservatives failed by not understanding the topics that you and I mentioned earlier.

00:33:29.000 It's a vibe, it's energy.

00:33:31.000 That's right.

00:33:32.000 It's an attitude.

00:33:33.000 It's a spirit.

00:33:34.000 It's in some ways, it's a lot more pathos than an ethos than it is logos, right?

00:33:42.000 100%.

00:33:43.000 Logos matters way less than the feeling of the crowd.

00:33:47.000 So you know from social psychology that the more you're attacked, the more people love you, the more beloved you come.

00:33:53.000 So the DeSantis people, here's where they're blowing it too, because you're listening to the Paul Ryan types.

00:33:58.000 If you actually look at the election the way you have, the way smart people have, you would say Trump won a very close election in 2016, 80,000 votes, four states.

00:34:08.000 He lost an election, if he really lost it, by 40 or 50,000 votes in three states.

00:34:14.000 So if he lost it, if, then barely, barely.

00:34:19.000 So then why would you think the play is to throw shade at Trump, right?

00:34:24.000 Why would you think that?

00:34:25.000 You would just look at the math and say, wow, Trump's only weakness is what people like Mike Servet says, which is we want somebody who is going to be more interested in pulling the levers of power.

00:34:35.000 And a lot of people like Cernovich feel like Trump didn't really do that, that he went on these side quests with Kim Kardashian and rappers and the platinum plan and all these other little things instead of sticking to the main quest of the wall and other issues.

00:34:48.000 So maybe we should listen to Cernovich and say the only way that we can win versus Trump in a primary is to be to Trump's right.

00:34:55.000 No, actually, we're more right-wing than Trump and we're going to do things.

00:34:59.000 And look, I can show you my track record of doing things.

00:35:01.000 Then you have people interested, right?

00:35:04.000 Yeah, and the attack vectors, especially, if DeSantis were to run, would be on the vaccine and personnel.

00:35:10.000 And, hey, you actually weren't as based as you might have said.

00:35:15.000 I think that is not the best attack because he did do a lot of stuff that was unprecedented and courageous.

00:35:20.000 But there is a potential like, hey, the why didn't you do?

00:35:23.000 And it's again, it's Monday morning quarterbacking.

00:35:25.000 I don't think it's fair at all, but I think it could be politically interesting to see.

00:35:30.000 But that doesn't seem like it's the lane.

00:35:31.000 It seems like kind of a hybrid of talking good to conservative-based policies with a lot of kind of donor wishes.

00:35:37.000 Is that right?

00:35:38.000 That kind of seems to be the lane, and that's not going to be successful.

00:35:43.000 Yeah, it's a little haughtiness.

00:35:45.000 That was, again, that last paragraph.

00:35:48.000 The vibe of it was I'm above this dispute.

00:35:51.000 I'm above this, and Trump shouldn't be fornicating with foreign stars allegedly anyway.

00:35:56.000 And I'm so okay, bro.

00:35:57.000 That's you missed the memo, man.

00:35:59.000 You've lost the plot.

00:36:01.000 That isn't what's going to beat Trump on a problem.

00:36:02.000 It's the vibe.

00:36:03.000 It's the spirit.

00:36:04.000 It's the attitude.

00:36:05.000 It's hard to articulate, but Mike, you and I have been doing this.

00:36:08.000 I mean, since Trump went down the escalator, you and I have been front row now for eight years.

00:36:12.000 And it's a force greater than sometimes words can describe.

00:36:16.000 God bless you, Mike.

00:36:17.000 You're a great American.

00:36:18.000 Thanks so much.

00:36:18.000 Appreciate it.

00:36:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:20.000 Email me your thoughts.

00:36:21.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:23.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 22, 2023

The Bravery of Ordinary People with Chaya Raichik and Mike Cernovich

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