The Charlie Kirk Show - The Campus Speech Code Threat

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Tan the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:02.000 We have Chris Buzzkirk joining us about some serious threats with speech codes on campus.

00:00:09.000 Listen very, very carefully.

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00:00:22.000 Tucker, Patrick Bett, David, Candace Owens, Glenn Beck, Rob Schneider, Roseanne Barr, Tulsi Gabbard, Ted Cruz, Dennis Breger, Allie Beth Stucky, Jonathan Isaac, Tim Poole, James O'Keefe, Riley Gaines, Ben Carson, Michael Anton, Jason Whitlock, Gad Sad, Brandon Tatum, Seth Dillon, Jack Pesobic, and more.

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00:00:44.000 We have Byron Donalds also join the show.

00:00:46.000 Email me as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:00:49.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:50.000 Here we go.

00:00:50.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:52.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:54.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:58.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:01.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:02.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:03.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:01:10.000 Turning point USA. 0.65

00:01:11.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:20.000 That's why we are here.

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00:01:32.000 All right, well, let's play some tape here.

00:01:34.000 And one of the aspects of the Biden crime family is the former January 6th investigative counsel, Hunter Biden, says he's not getting a fair shake.

00:01:45.000 He's being more harshly play cut 18.

00:01:48.000 Say, you know, these are serious charges, and I don't want to diminish that, but I think these charges should be placed in the broader context of the investigation.

00:01:56.000 So I think there are real questions about the delay with which DOJ has acted here.

00:02:00.000 And I think that point from Hunter Biden's lawyer as to whether this would be happening if his last name wasn't Biden is a real question.

00:02:07.000 And I will say as a former DOJ prosecutor, more and more looks like that to me.

00:02:12.000 It looks like someone who's not getting a fair shake and is being treated more harshly because of their proximity to the president.

00:02:19.000 More harshly because of the proximity to the president?

00:02:22.000 But hey, guess who is defending Joe?

00:02:27.000 Mittens, Pierre DeLecto, play cut 20.

00:02:30.000 Have you seen any evidence that President Biden has committed high crimes and misdemeanors?

00:02:35.000 No, I don't see any evidence of that at all.

00:02:38.000 I think before you begin an impeachment inquiry, you ought to have some evidence, some inclination that there's been wrongdoing.

00:02:45.000 And so far, there's nothing of that nature that's been provided.

00:02:47.000 Trump's, actually, President Biden's son, Hunter, is obviously a very unsavory person and has had some extremely damaging personal foibles, including a drug habit and so forth.

00:03:01.000 That's not President Biden.

00:03:02.000 And we're not going to impeach someone because of the sins of their kids.

00:03:07.000 Mitt Romney is lying. 1.00

00:03:08.000 He is such a dishonest, immoral person. 1.00

00:03:11.000 How about the checks, the wire transfers? 0.99

00:03:13.000 It says 10% for the big guy.

00:03:15.000 It's unbelievable.

00:03:16.000 Congressman Donaldson is with us.

00:03:17.000 Byron, have you seen evidence that Joe Biden is a traitor to the United States?

00:03:21.000 Okay, here's a couple of things.

00:03:23.000 Number one, the same day that the Chinese company CEFC wired $5 million into a business that had no activity in the count, by the way, for Hunter Biden and Jim Biden is the same day that Jim Biden moved about $400,000 into his personal account and $200,000 went to Joe Biden on the same day.

00:03:44.000 If that doesn't demonstrate bribery moving through the Biden family to Joe Biden himself, I don't know what is.

00:03:51.000 I don't know what Mitt Romney is talking about.

00:03:53.000 This is a joke.

00:03:54.000 The president has taken foreign money through his family.

00:03:57.000 So at a minimum, at a minimum, it's bribery.

00:04:00.000 And I will also add that it is very clear that nobody on the family is registered as a foreign agent.

00:04:06.000 And so in my view, Joe Biden is a co-conspirator in violations of the Foreign Agent Registration Act, which is a felony in the United States of America.

00:04:15.000 So what are the next steps then, Byron?

00:04:17.000 Are we going to have impeachment?

00:04:19.000 We now have less of a House majority.

00:04:22.000 What's going on here?

00:04:23.000 So what we're going to do this week is that we are going to have the vote on the floor, I think Wednesday for the impeachment inquiry.

00:04:29.000 And this is important because we have three DOJ officials and one White House official who are ignoring congressional subpoenas.

00:04:37.000 I mean, Charlie, look, take a step back.

00:04:38.000 If you had three DOJ officials and a White House official under President Trump ignoring congressional subpoenas, the world would be over.

00:04:45.000 The media would lose their minds.

00:04:47.000 That's happening under Joe Biden.

00:04:49.000 The media says nothing.

00:04:50.000 And so what we're going to do is we're going to hold our impeachment inquiry vote.

00:04:53.000 We have brought significant amounts of information to all of our members for view.

00:04:58.000 We believe that vote is going to pass this week.

00:05:00.000 So you're going to have a formal impeachment inquiry of the House.

00:05:03.000 It's going to allow us to enforce those subpoenas.

00:05:06.000 And then we're going to get the final information that we need.

00:05:08.000 Chairman Jordan has about, he still needs to depose an interview so we can complete all of our work.

00:05:15.000 And look, and Charlie, real quick, I know for the voters back home, everybody's saying, what's taking so long?

00:05:21.000 Why are you doing this?

00:05:22.000 You know, they did significantly less with President Trump.

00:05:25.000 I'm not going to stand on the principles of Nancy Pelosi because she has no principles.

00:05:29.000 We have a responsibility to do an extensive investigation if you're going to move impeachment articles against the president.

00:05:36.000 Just because the Democrats play fast and loose with the rules doesn't mean that we should do the same.

00:05:42.000 But what it does mean is that we have to do our work, do it diligently.

00:05:45.000 We've been doing that on Capitol Hill since we took back the House majority.

00:05:49.000 No, I hear that.

00:05:50.000 But I mean, I think we already have the evidence, Byron.

00:05:51.000 But I know you guys got to do your due diligence and it's not your fault.

00:05:54.000 But what the heck are we doing taking the month of August off taking Thanksgiving off and Christmas off?

00:05:58.000 It's leadership.

00:05:58.000 It's not you.

00:06:00.000 I think it's a good answer, Byron, but I'm with the grassroots on this.

00:06:03.000 Our article should have been filed in February, but I hear you.

00:06:05.000 Okay, so let me ask on this.

00:06:09.000 702 on the FISA, Speaker Johnson is all over the place on this.

00:06:13.000 It's hard to track.

00:06:14.000 Where do you think we're going to end up?

00:06:16.000 Why does 702 even need to continue to exist?

00:06:19.000 Well, first of all, I'm going to tell you the truth.

00:06:21.000 I don't know where we're going to end up.

00:06:23.000 What we should be taking is the judiciary bill that was voted on 35 to 2 out of the judiciary committee.

00:06:30.000 This bill actually creates a warrant process to protect the American people from rogue agents in our government who have abused the FISA process.

00:06:38.000 Not just Americans, but of course, President Trump as well.

00:06:41.000 There's been terrible abuses.

00:06:42.000 The judiciary bill, in my view, is the best bill.

00:06:45.000 I don't agree with this strategy of running the Intel bill and the judiciary bill because we should just be focused on what's going to get the most votes in the House of Representatives.

00:06:53.000 And as I understand it, that is the bill that came out of the Judiciary Committee.

00:06:57.000 The last thing I will say is there should be no clean reauthorizations of FISA in the National Defense Authorization Act.

00:07:05.000 That should be removed immediately.

00:07:06.000 I completely disagree with House leadership on that.

00:07:09.000 That should not occur.

00:07:10.000 But look, we do have enemies across the globe. 0.95

00:07:13.000 Man, Joe Biden is a terrible president. 0.86

00:07:13.000 We see it. 0.86

00:07:15.000 His weakness has only emboldened our enemies.

00:07:17.000 There is some importance with respect to national security for be able to collect that surveillance on foreign operatives.

00:07:24.000 But the American people's First Amendment rights, Fourth Amendment rights must be protected at all costs.

00:07:30.000 So the reforms in FISA are needed.

00:07:32.000 The judiciary bill does that.

00:07:34.000 If you have people like Andy Biggs, Jim Jordan in agreement, and frankly, with some of the progressive members on Capitol Hill who actually are concerned about spying on the American people, I mean, you got to give it to them.

00:07:45.000 They got one thing right.

00:07:46.000 They're concerned about it.

00:07:47.000 Then we should follow that bill, completely reform FISA, give the intelligence community the ability to collect assets and information on foreign operatives trying to do damage to our country.

00:07:58.000 But you have to hold accountable these bureaucrats who are spying on the American people.

00:08:02.000 The judiciary bill does that.

00:08:04.000 Yeah, I mean, my foreigners aren't under the United States Constitution. 1.00

00:08:10.000 The issue is Americans, and we know how it's been abused to spy on Tucker, to spy on Trump.

00:08:15.000 And I mean, I guarantee they're spying on Trump's campaign right now.

00:08:18.000 I guarantee it.

00:08:18.000 And they're just going to cover their tracks and delete it.

00:08:21.000 But so, so, Byron, I don't know where this is going to end up.

00:08:24.000 Speaker Johnson's, at the very least, can we just hold the line on a 12-year renewal?

00:08:29.000 And I hope our audience understands Pramila Jayapal and Rashida Talib and Elon Omar are fighting harder to make sure the government can't spy on Americans than most Republicans.

00:08:38.000 Why is that, Byron?

00:08:40.000 Oh, listen, I got to tell you, this one shocks me, Charlie.

00:08:42.000 I got no good answer for it.

00:08:44.000 I understand that we have enemies across the globe.

00:08:47.000 I get that.

00:08:47.000 I understand the need to get intelligence and to be able to get all the information you need.

00:08:53.000 I totally understand that.

00:08:54.000 But protecting the American people comes first and foremost.

00:08:57.000 Constitutional rights are first and foremost.

00:09:00.000 And so Americans need to be protected with their thoughts, their information, their speech to one another.

00:09:06.000 Government agencies shouldn't be allowed to spy on our people, regardless of the information.

00:09:10.000 And if you're going to do that, you need to get a court order, a court order to do that, Charlie.

00:09:15.000 It's this basic due process.

00:09:17.000 And unfortunately, we have people in our government who they view that the national security aspects of the United States overwhelm and override the constitutional rights of the American people.

00:09:28.000 I just simply don't agree.

00:09:29.000 So I look, Pramila and I don't agree on much.

00:09:33.000 We agree on this.

00:09:34.000 And if there's an opportunity to agree and protect the American people, we're going to do that.

00:09:38.000 Byron Donalds, keep fighting.

00:09:39.000 Thanks so much, man.

00:09:40.000 See you soon.

00:09:41.000 Thanks, Charlie.

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00:10:25.000 I don't have time to build this out, but to announce tomorrow or when we have time this week, I want to read a very interesting tweet from a woman who obviously doesn't like Trump, but she pinpoints some really important concerns of how 2024 could go with Trump lawfare stuff.

00:10:44.000 We don't have time for this today.

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00:10:47.000 If there's a news day this week leading into America Fest where there just isn't a major news item, that's worth doing.

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00:11:13.000 But in addition to that, next week, next week on Wednesday, once the Amfest dust settles, we are going to have at least three to five of the smartest guests.

00:11:28.000 We're going to prep them on trying to game out 2024.

00:11:32.000 I think we've done a very poor job.

00:11:34.000 I'm on these group texts, so many of these group texts, and one with some, you know, really serious thinkers and doers and very, very well-connected people.

00:11:42.000 And I just put in there, I said, hey, guys, have we thought through exactly what happens if Donald Trump is in leg irons in September of 2024?

00:11:51.000 Have we gamed that out?

00:11:52.000 Have we done moves and counter moves?

00:11:55.000 So we really need to, I'm on the smartest guests to talk about 2024 and what they could do.

00:12:01.000 Is there going to be a new virus on the horizon?

00:12:03.000 Have we figured out mail and ballots?

00:12:05.000 Have we figured out the voting month?

00:12:08.000 And I think that's a perfect time to do it.

00:12:09.000 It's kind of usually typically, who knows?

00:12:11.000 There could be another war.

00:12:12.000 There could be something else.

00:12:13.000 But unless there's some black swan event or unexpected news item, usually the news calms down right before Christmas and people just kind of check out.

00:12:20.000 It's a perfect time for us to methodically think about 2024 and isolate all of the threats, a threat analysis.

00:12:32.000 There's some breaking news today.

00:12:33.000 Our friend, who's also going to join the Charlie Kirk show and is a keynote speaker at AmericaFest, amfest.com, A-M-F-B-S-T.com, Tucker Carlson, the Tucker Carlson Network has been announced.

00:12:47.000 And he seems to be at a very nice house in Florida.

00:12:50.000 It might be his house.

00:12:51.000 Who knows?

00:12:52.000 Play cut 28.

00:12:53.000 They told you the guys torching Wendy's in 2020 were mostly peaceful.

00:12:59.000 They said that mask worked.

00:13:01.000 They told you the vax was safe.

00:13:04.000 They've tried to convince you that Russia blew up its own pipeline.

00:13:08.000 The corporate media lied too much.

00:13:11.000 And it killed them.

00:13:12.000 We're driving at the scene doing this on.

00:13:14.000 Believe me when I tell you.

00:13:15.000 Wait, wait, I should be boycotting, but like...

00:13:17.000 Fantastic, Joe.

00:13:18.000 Thank you.

00:13:19.000 That was amazing.

00:13:23.000 Tucker Carlson is announcing his network ahead of the election 2024.

00:13:30.000 It is tuckercarlson.com.

00:13:32.000 Pretty awesome.

00:13:34.000 So heading into 2024, we need to think about all the different attack vectors.

00:13:39.000 We're going to do that extensively.

00:13:41.000 Trump gave a great speech at the New York Young Republicans deal.

00:13:44.000 So glad he did that.

00:13:45.000 Gavin is doing a really, really impressive job up there.

00:13:48.000 I love it.

00:13:49.000 I love what's happening in New York.

00:13:50.000 They've just revitalized that thing.

00:13:52.000 It was just, it was just dormant, really.

00:13:55.000 I mean, it existed.

00:13:56.000 And now it's got life and vitality.

00:13:58.000 It's really special.

00:13:59.000 Play cut 22.

00:14:00.000 Make America great again.

00:14:02.000 How powerful is that?

00:14:03.000 MAGA.

00:14:04.000 MAGA.

00:14:06.000 I tell that to Biden.

00:14:08.000 I say, Joe, when he gets up, we've got to stop the MAGA extremists.

00:14:15.000 Yeah, I'm extreme about making America great again, right?

00:14:19.000 We're extreme.

00:14:20.000 We're extreme.

00:14:23.000 He says MAGA extremists, but I'm extreme about making America great again.

00:14:30.000 There's story after story.

00:14:31.000 There's a new poll out that shows that Donald Trump has 71% support in the Republican primary.

00:14:37.000 We were told by Ron DeSantis and his allies, wait for Iowa, wait for Iowa, wait for Iowa.

00:14:42.000 Des Moines, register Iowa poll.

00:14:44.000 Donald Trump, 51%, Ron DeSantis, 19%, Nikki Haley, 16%.

00:14:47.000 If this is even remotely close, this thing could actually be over in Iowa.

00:14:51.000 Forget the South Carolina reset with Nikki Haley.

00:14:53.000 Forget the whole New Hampshire thing.

00:14:55.000 If Donald Trump wins by more than 20 points.

00:14:57.000 So by the way, make your plans now on caucus night.

00:15:01.000 Circle the date.

00:15:02.000 It's about a month out, by the way, just so you know, to watch this program.

00:15:06.000 We're going to be streaming live in the evening.

00:15:08.000 We're going to be doing it on all the platforms.

00:15:10.000 January 15th, January 15th is Caucus Day, and we can't wait.

00:15:15.000 We're going to be streaming live.

00:15:16.000 It's going to be also podcasting, all that great stuff, taking questions from you.

00:15:20.000 I hope this thing ends soon.

00:15:21.000 I hope there's only a month left of this primary.

00:15:23.000 The sooner this thing ends, the sooner we can transition into the general election fight that is looming.

00:15:31.000 But this show is going to do the war gaming, is going to do the strategizing.

00:15:36.000 In the most dead news week of the year after Amfest, we're going to analytically think about all the different vectors of attack and how we can counter them coming into 2024.

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00:16:51.000 Joining us now is Chris Buzzkirk, great American.

00:16:53.000 He does an amazing job.

00:16:54.000 We work together on a lot of different stuff.

00:16:56.000 He's the co-founder of 1789 Capital and publisher of American Greatness.

00:17:01.000 Chris, welcome to the program.

00:17:02.000 Thanks for having me.

00:17:03.000 Good to see you.

00:17:04.000 You bet you too.

00:17:04.000 Chris, you have a big announcement.

00:17:06.000 Tell us about the SPAC.

00:17:08.000 That's why you're in New York.

00:17:09.000 Tell us all about it.

00:17:10.000 I am.

00:17:10.000 Yeah.

00:17:10.000 We, myself, my partner, Omin Malik, who you know as well, we took a SPAC public on the New York Stock Exchange and started trading on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, so a couple weeks ago.

00:17:23.000 And we're going to ring the bell today at the closing bell at the New York Stock Exchange.

00:17:26.000 He and I will be up there with a few of our colleagues, board members, officers.

00:17:31.000 And we are, as you know, with the SPAC, it's a special purpose acquisition company.

00:17:37.000 So it's a public company.

00:17:38.000 It's got cash in it.

00:17:39.000 We are looking actively for an operating business that we can acquire.

00:17:44.000 And you know what we do at 1789 Capital, which is also run by myself and by Omid.

00:17:50.000 We're investing in building the American future.

00:17:53.000 We want to back innovators, people with high growth businesses that are going to regrow the American middle class and reintroduce the next American golden age.

00:18:03.000 So we're excited.

00:18:04.000 It'll be fun to be up there on the platform ringing the bell and just looking forward to it.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, so it's really great.

00:18:10.000 I mean, and you're a serious business guy.

00:18:12.000 Talk about 1789 Capital more broadly, about the vision, really kind of what, you know, you guys are trying to do to try and drive entrepreneurship and value in the country we want to live in.

00:18:25.000 Build the country that you want to live in.

00:18:27.000 That's what I've said for years, Charlie, as you know, is like, you know, we as conservatives, we have a lot of critiques of the current state of play in this country.

00:18:35.000 They're valid.

00:18:36.000 I share them.

00:18:37.000 I voice them often, as you know, but that's, you know, having a critique isn't enough.

00:18:42.000 We don't want to just be hecklers.

00:18:43.000 We want to try and figure out how do we take all of the resources in this country.

00:18:48.000 And there are a lot of natural resources, political goodwill still exists in this country.

00:18:54.000 Most importantly, we have the best business people, the best innovators in this country, and they have been stifled in a lot of ways.

00:19:03.000 Sometimes it's just by, you know, big companies, they get so big, they're bureaucratic, and that's sort of just sort of the nature of the beast.

00:19:09.000 And then people spin out of them because they have better ideas and they need capital to grow.

00:19:14.000 What we've seen in the past, I don't know, five or 10 years, really accelerated since 2020 is what some people call woke capital.

00:19:21.000 And that's the politicization of capital.

00:19:24.000 And that has really stifled innovation, which has downstream effects, which are really negative.

00:19:29.000 It leads to a less secure, less prosperous country.

00:19:32.000 I mean, you think about just by way of example, Google will do business with the PRC, with the People's Republic of China, communist China, but will not do business with the U.S. Department of Defense infamously.

00:19:45.000 And we look at that and say, you know, it's time to bring institutional great capital to back great American innovators because that's the only way we're going to build the next American age of prosperity.

00:19:55.000 And that's what we're up to at 1789.

00:19:58.000 I love it.

00:19:59.000 Just kind of closing on that topic, Chris, if there are entrepreneurs, business owners more broadly, is there a way to get connected with what you guys are doing?

00:20:09.000 Is it just more kind of a closed door process?

00:20:12.000 Tell us about it.

00:20:13.000 No, look, we meet people all kinds of ways and we have friends throughout the conservative ecosystem.

00:20:18.000 We have friends on Wall Street and Washington.

00:20:21.000 But we always want to meet interesting dynamic people.

00:20:25.000 You can go to 1789capital.io.

00:20:27.000 You can go on my X account at theChrisBuskirk or just email me, Chris at 1789capital.io.

00:20:36.000 I will regret giving that email out because I'm going to get a million emails, but I will be very happy because I know that there's going to be some percentage of them that are really good.

00:20:44.000 And that's what I find, which is super encouraging as an investor with investing on behalf of 1789.

00:20:51.000 There are so many smart people in this country.

00:20:53.000 Charlie, it's just, you know, we look at the political situation sometimes when we think like, gosh, all is lost.

00:21:00.000 But don't despair.

00:21:01.000 Like, I see the companies that are being formed, the companies that are growing around this country.

00:21:05.000 And it's a huge encouragement.

00:21:06.000 We have all, we just have this deep wellspring of great Americans who are doing really interesting things.

00:21:12.000 Yeah, I love that.

00:21:13.000 You know, we get a lot of emails, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:21:16.000 And there are some that are funny, some that are not great.

00:21:20.000 And then there are some brilliant, brilliant people that just blow you away.

00:21:25.000 So that's why I open up our email.

00:21:26.000 I read them all, and then some make me chuckle, some I say, that's not a really smart thing.

00:21:30.000 And some, I say, that is absolutely genius.

00:21:32.000 The combined intelligence and wisdom of the American people in this audience is second to none.

00:21:38.000 So freedom at charliekirk.com or go to the websites you provide.

00:21:41.000 Chris, you know, as you know, I'm deep into the campus space.

00:21:44.000 Every day at Turning Point USA, we're battling against the college cartel.

00:21:47.000 You know, I wrote the book, The College Scam.

00:21:49.000 You and I have riffed extensively about kind of the college cartel.

00:21:53.000 I'm so glad to see them suffering.

00:21:54.000 I'm so glad to see them, you know, finally on defense.

00:21:57.000 But I fear that really bad actors are going to capitalize on the situation to even restrict speech on campus even further against conservatives, pro-liberty, pro-freedom, or just anyone that might have a contrarian idea perspective.

00:22:12.000 Chris, I know you agree with me on this.

00:22:15.000 Build this out because this could be an opportunity that turns into a tragedy.

00:22:20.000 Yeah, I mean, look, what we see, you see this especially in the Ivy Leagues.

00:22:24.000 You see it at University of Pennsylvania over the weekend, the president resigned, but you see it at Harvard, Harvard Law School.

00:22:31.000 There is, how do I say, there's a certain Schadenfreude.

00:22:35.000 There's a pleasure that conservatives are taking in seeing these very left-wing college officials, college presidents primarily, but others as well, some of the trustees at these colleges.

00:22:45.000 And we've looked at them for years and said, these people are just absolutely. 0.97

00:22:49.000 like they're crazy insane. 0.98

00:22:51.000 They're anti-American in really profound ways. 0.91

00:22:54.000 And when we see them taking flack because of the stances that they have been taking with regards to Hamas, and you say, you know, that's justice. 1.00

00:23:03.000 Finally, you're being held to account on this.

00:23:06.000 And nobody's sorry to see the president of the University of Pennsylvania go, she was, you know, unique.

00:23:11.000 Well, I was just going to say uniquely horrible.

00:23:13.000 No, she wasn't uniquely horrible.

00:23:14.000 She was profoundly horrible.

00:23:15.000 But so are the presidents of Harvard.

00:23:17.000 So are the presidents.

00:23:18.000 So is the president of a lot of these institutions.

00:23:21.000 However, We should also realize that some of the things that are the specific actions that we are applauding and that may and in fact are just in a lot of ways, that the things that come out of those will definitely be weaponized by the people who take the place of the college presidents who are going to suffer the consequences for their actions in the immediate future.

00:23:46.000 This doesn't change who the college professors are.

00:23:49.000 This doesn't change these institutions.

00:23:51.000 Yes, it's good that these people have gone, but we still are engaged in the exact same fight.

00:23:56.000 We still have to deal with the exact same threats.

00:23:58.000 But this will be, I guess what I want to say is that we should be aware of the fact that people on the left have not changed their views on this and that they will, as they say, not let a crisis go to waste.

00:24:10.000 And the next thing you know, that some of these rules or mores that are enacted as a result of the unbrokle around Hamas will be used against conservatives.

00:24:20.000 And the next thing you know is you say something conservative with a pro-American tinge to it.

00:24:26.000 And now all of a sudden we're back to the hate speech thing and you're getting expelled or you're suffering some type of a consequence.

00:24:32.000 So I think you're right to be extremely leery of some of the things that are taking place right now.

00:24:37.000 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 And look, let me be very clear.

00:24:38.000 If you're pounding on library doors hunting after Jews, that's conduct, not speech.

00:24:42.000 Let's just be honest, right?

00:24:44.000 That's a separate issue, right?

00:24:45.000 And but what we're going at here, and this just kind of sends a chill down my spine because I deal with this every day.

00:24:50.000 There's some people that are proposing, well, any speech that makes a marginalized group feel unsafe will no longer be allowed.

00:24:57.000 Hold on, hold on, time out.

00:24:58.000 So if I go to speak at Penn, which I'm planning to in the spring, if they'll have me, and I say that there are two sexes and no genders and infinite personalities, Chris, I could potentially get in trouble.

00:25:12.000 I'm a guest speaker, but let's pretend a student parroted what I would say as a guest speaker as hate speech and could be disciplined in the same bucket as a Hamas terror sympathizer.

00:25:24.000 Riff on that, Chris.

00:25:26.000 Yeah, this is exactly what's been going on.

00:25:29.000 The only thing that's different that's happening right now, like this is just an enforcement of so-called hate speech codes.

00:25:34.000 And it just happens that this is the one time where certain people on the left are getting hit with the rules that they put in place to begin with, which is this, you know, speech as violence concept.

00:25:48.000 The whole idea of hate speech is almost uniformly wrong.

00:25:52.000 You may be able to pick up very, very particular instances, yelling fire at a crowded theater, for example, as really dangerous speech that promotes conduct that causes harm.

00:26:03.000 But what the left has promoted is a view that the speech itself is harm.

00:26:08.000 So if you hear something, if you hear words that you disagree with, that that causes you a harm.

00:26:14.000 And as a result, you're entitled to protection from the state and the person who said something that they may believe or that they subjectively think or that you subjectively think is good, bad, or otherwise, that person can be censored or punished for that.

00:26:29.000 And it so happens that the president of Penn is punished for hate speech in this case and more.

00:26:34.000 And I think we need to just go back and look at the fundamentals, you know, go back to basics, which is what you're doing here and talk about the difference between speech and conduct.

00:26:44.000 And the Penn president, it was more about moral clarity than speech.

00:26:48.000 It was her inability to answer a very simple question.

00:26:52.000 It's like a layup question, right?

00:26:53.000 It's a moral clarity thing. 1.00

00:26:55.000 And she should be fired. 1.00

00:26:56.000 And she should be fired because she mishandled this entire situation top to bottom. 0.86

00:27:00.000 She's a weak person being held by Marxists.

00:27:03.000 And the donations being like that are now being thwarted going to these colleges, great.

00:27:08.000 It's terrific.

00:27:09.000 Love Bill Ackman.

00:27:10.000 Love what they're trying to do here.

00:27:11.000 But I'm going to read this really quickly.

00:27:13.000 The Washington Post had an article.

00:27:14.000 They changed the headline.

00:27:15.000 You know, they tend to do that.

00:27:16.000 The headline is now, we lost our way on campus, how we can find our way back.

00:27:20.000 The headline was, why we need less speech on campus.

00:27:23.000 Okay, so that's they changed the headline.

00:27:25.000 Okay.

00:27:26.000 So it's actually two separate columns of the Washington Post.

00:27:29.000 One, they actually didn't, from what I know, rename it.

00:27:33.000 To fight anti-Semitism on campuses, we must restrict speech by Claire O. Finkenstein.

00:27:38.000 But I'm going to read from a separate article here.

00:27:40.000 And Chris, I think this hits it perfectly.

00:27:41.000 Quote, a culture of intimidation is a different challenge.

00:27:44.000 It's very opposite of the culture of mutual respect for necessary learning and for that matter, a healthy democracy.

00:27:50.000 The problem is that we're struggling with that now.

00:27:52.000 Clearly, we cannot allow a culture of intimidation to develop and padure on our campuses, regardless of what initial intention students might have had, such as quote, globalize the intifada or other slogans associated with eliminating Jewish people.

00:28:05.000 If college campuses regularly had groups of kids chanting white power, I would not be comfortable sending my kids there, even if those chanters never took a targeted action against a specific person.

00:28:15.000 Okay, that's a fair argument to make, finally incorporating that.

00:28:18.000 But you could see where this is headed, Chris, right?

00:28:20.000 Which is they would love nothing more than to restrict our ability to challenge trans tyranny, to make pro-life arguments, to talk about restricted immigration. 0.92

00:28:30.000 They're already calling us Nazis.

00:28:33.000 And they say, oh, well, Hamas is using Nazi-like language.

00:28:37.000 And then somebody's going to say, well, let's just make this equal opportunity affecting.

00:28:41.000 Let's kick all the turning point groups off campus.

00:28:43.000 Chris, we got to be really principled here, don't we?

00:28:46.000 Because how often do we give power that then just gets used against us?

00:28:51.000 Every single time.

00:28:52.000 I mean, we're betting a thousand on that one.

00:28:55.000 Look, you're either for free speech or you are not.

00:28:59.000 And if we want to have a functioning, self-governing republic, then we need to really understand that free speech, A, is essential to that, and B, that there is an important and very and pretty easy to understand distinction between conduct and speech.

00:29:13.000 You know, and we can't make rules based on edge cases.

00:29:16.000 So, you know, we saw maybe it's a month or six weeks ago now, we saw Jewish students at Harvard and HLS being chased by the editor of the Harvard Law Review.

00:29:26.000 Okay, that is conduct.

00:29:28.000 It's despicable and it should be punished.

00:29:29.000 That's different than saying, than making a statement that somebody disagrees with, a political statement that somebody disagrees with.

00:29:37.000 Now, where this gets dicey is where people are calling for violence.

00:29:41.000 And I think that's where these college administrators need to show some wisdom in the specific case around Israel's war against Hamas, is that when the students are on campus and they're calling for violence, that now we run up into these situations where you are shouting fire in a crowded theater.

00:30:04.000 But that is not what is going to happen here.

00:30:06.000 What is going to happen is that there's going to be more restrictive speech codes put on place in campus, if that's even possible.

00:30:12.000 And once the furor dies down around these specific issues, the left is still in control of all of these institutions.

00:30:19.000 And those rules will be used to restrict conservative speech, pro-American speech.

00:30:24.000 Anything that you wanted to say about, say, pro-life or in any way questioning the trans agenda will be viewed as not just calling for violence, but as violence itself.

00:30:37.000 And that's where I think conservatives need to really seek wisdom on this and decide who and how they want to partner with in dealing with this issue.

00:30:46.000 Yeah.

00:30:46.000 And just to kind of put a bow on it, every day the trans groups say that we are committing trans genocide because we don't say that they are the gender that they say they are.

00:30:56.000 And they say that that's literally how they describe Turning Point USA. 0.98

00:30:59.000 We have been striked on YouTube and we got a hate speech strike because I said that trans people are suffering from a mental illness. 0.95

00:31:07.000 That is hate speech on YouTube. 0.90

00:31:09.000 In closing here, Chris, 2024 is around the corner.

00:31:12.000 What are you looking at that is giving you the most hope?

00:31:14.000 Yeah, gosh, more things than I would have thought I could say maybe six months ago.

00:31:18.000 Look, what I think we've all seen happen is that the more that Donald Trump has been attacked and persecuted by a weaponized justice system, the more popular he has gotten.

00:31:27.000 And we see that both in polls of Republican primary voters, but you see that also in polling of independent and swing voters, which is people look at this and they say, you know, maybe I like Trump, maybe I don't.

00:31:40.000 Maybe I'm not, maybe even I think he wasn't a great president, but I don't think these things should be happening to him.

00:31:46.000 You know, the anecdotal evidence I have here, and bear in mind, it is just anecdotal, is that there are sort of a lot of fair-minded people in this country that look at what's gone on in the persecution and prosecution of Donald Trump, and they have given him another look.

00:32:00.000 And I think that is extremely hopeful.

00:32:04.000 The other thing that I've seen is that our side for all of the sort of weeping and gnashing of teeth is that we are, I think, understanding what it means to get grassroots organizations up, organized, and in the field.

00:32:16.000 And you obviously are a huge part of this, Charlie, but there are a bunch of other organizations, an ecosystem, you could say, that's been developing since 2020 that is much more serious about grassroots organizing.

00:32:29.000 I think back to when Barack Obama was running for president and, well, they'd say, you know, he's a community organizer.

00:32:35.000 What's that?

00:32:36.000 Well, there's a bunch of conservative organizers out there now, and we're going to reap real benefits from that in 2024.

00:32:42.000 Amen.

00:32:42.000 Chris, God bless you, man.

00:32:43.000 Congratulations on the announcement.

00:32:45.000 Thanks so much.

00:32:45.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:46.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:49.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 12, 2023

The Campus Speech Code Threat

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