The Charlie Kirk Show - The Case Against Cancelling Lincoln with Brian Kilmeade

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00:02:31.000 With us right now is a good friend of mine, someone who I have a lot of respect for for multiple reasons.

00:02:38.000 Number one, he might be the hardest working person in the media business.

00:02:41.000 I mean that he gets up at like 2:30 in the morning, hosts a morning show, does a radio show.

00:02:46.000 You always see him on the primetime shows as well.

00:02:48.000 Does a great job, and he's been really courageous and clear on the mandatory vaccine issue.

00:02:55.000 And that is Brian Kilmead.

00:02:56.000 And he has a new book out called The President and the Freedom Fighter.

00:03:00.000 Brian, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:02.000 What's going on, Charlie?

00:03:03.000 You multimedia danger man.

00:03:07.000 I mean, you're everywhere. 0.99

00:03:08.000 What the hell? 0.80

00:03:09.000 That's what they tell me. 0.97

00:03:10.000 I mean, that's you.

00:03:11.000 You're on at three, just so you know, Brian, you come on the air half the year at three o'clock in the morning Eastern time in Arizona, just to give you an idea.

00:03:20.000 And then you're on in the evening.

00:03:22.000 You're all over the place.

00:03:23.000 I have to just ask you a personal question.

00:03:24.000 What is your sleep schedule?

00:03:26.000 I ask you this all the time.

00:03:27.000 I think it's just fascinating.

00:03:28.000 I mean, you go to bed at like around 10.

00:03:31.000 I get up at 2:30, out the door at 3, and just go straight through.

00:03:37.000 You know, work out in between, get to try to work out five, six days a week.

00:03:41.000 But for the most part, you know, we're in the middle of something important.

00:03:45.000 And I'm on a great channel.

00:03:47.000 It gives me the opportunity to do a lot of things, including get involved with books.

00:03:51.000 And hey, do you want to host the seven this week?

00:03:54.000 Do you want to fill in for Tucker next week?

00:03:56.000 Do you want to do the five this week?

00:03:57.000 you, hey, Martha needed three. 1.00

00:04:00.000 Don Roberts wants you one.

00:04:02.000 And I'm not cleaning out their office.

00:04:05.000 I'm actually preparing to do a segment.

00:04:08.000 And to me, it's not really work.

00:04:10.000 I mean, it's like you never rest either.

00:04:12.000 You want to get new information.

00:04:13.000 You want to bring new things to the table.

00:04:15.000 The velocity of stories that come out have never been greater.

00:04:18.000 I've been here since 97.

00:04:20.000 I don't remember a time when there's more big stories ever.

00:04:24.000 Yes.

00:04:24.000 And it seems like every hour almost.

00:04:26.000 I mean, just today we talked about the Supreme Court issue, all these different trials happening.

00:04:31.000 You have the looting.

00:04:32.000 You have all that stuff.

00:04:33.000 So I want to start with your book, Brian, because your books are always so historically compelling and important.

00:04:39.000 And I have a real soft spot for Frederick Douglass.

00:04:44.000 I think he's such an important American figure that people don't know about.

00:04:48.000 The book is The President and the Freedom Fighter, Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, and their battle to save America's soul.

00:04:55.000 Tell us about the book and then tell us about the interesting relationship between Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.

00:05:02.000 And, you know, I've had a chance to talk to your group too, and they're the most intriguing people around.

00:05:07.000 It gives you great hope of the next generation.

00:05:09.000 But what I think this is, is fortuitous the timing.

00:05:12.000 I didn't do it for this reason, but it was one of the reasons why there was so much interest in the book in that we're all talking about race again.

00:05:18.000 We're talking about history again.

00:05:20.000 We're talking about 1619 Project again.

00:05:22.000 We're also talking about CRT.

00:05:25.000 All right.

00:05:25.000 Well, don't talk about that we're looking, you and I are trying to look to whitewash history.

00:05:30.000 Don't say that Fox is looking to say, don't talk about slavery.

00:05:32.000 I'm telling you right now, you cannot talk about Frederick Douglass and not talk about slavery.

00:05:37.000 Why?

00:05:37.000 He was born a slave.

00:05:39.000 And do we soft peddle it?

00:05:40.000 No, it's in his biography.

00:05:42.000 He wrote it seven years after escaping freedom.

00:05:45.000 He said, if you don't, he's just because I could speak well and he had a great vocabulary.

00:05:49.000 People started doubting that he was actually a slave.

00:05:51.000 He took his shirt off.

00:05:52.000 Look at my back.

00:05:53.000 Got whipped, got beat, never knew his birthday, never knew his parents.

00:05:58.000 There was a thirst to learn.

00:06:00.000 So again, education is in the news.

00:06:02.000 Frederick Douglass thirsting for it.

00:06:04.000 Lincoln, his dad would yell at him.

00:06:07.000 What are you learning for?

00:06:08.000 That's not going to help you.

00:06:09.000 Work the field.

00:06:10.000 This guy had a thirst to learn, one year of formal education.

00:06:13.000 What are we talking about?

00:06:15.000 This guy studied the founding fathers on his own, as did Frederick Douglass.

00:06:20.000 And the more that they learned, the more they wanted to learn.

00:06:22.000 And just think about this.

00:06:24.000 We're learning in school that America is inherently a racist country when these two people are in a very rough, rough and rugged America without any social safety net, without any, I don't know, social infrastructure to bail them out.

00:06:38.000 And they couldn't wait to make our country better.

00:06:40.000 They weren't judging our country.

00:06:42.000 They were involved in our country.

00:06:44.000 And I think that's what the big message is.

00:06:47.000 The details are, you don't have to be connected in order to make it in this country.

00:06:52.000 If you bet on any two Americans to emerge, you would have bet on anyone except for Lincoln and Douglas.

00:06:57.000 Douglas born a slave, obviously Frederick Bailey back then.

00:07:01.000 No one would have bet he would have escaped.

00:07:03.000 He failed once.

00:07:03.000 The second time he made it.

00:07:05.000 If he was caught, he would have been brought back to the deep south or killed.

00:07:08.000 He never was, became an internationally known author and intellect.

00:07:12.000 There's statues of him in Germany, Scotland, England, and Ireland today.

00:07:16.000 There's halls dedicated to him.

00:07:18.000 Nobody gave him anything.

00:07:20.000 And Lincoln, the same way, they would talk about how odd he looked, how his mom died at nine.

00:07:28.000 His stepmom was basically illiterate, but urged him to lead.

00:07:30.000 His dad was kind of abusive, it seems.

00:07:32.000 He was basically working 20 hours a day physically while trying to train his mind at the same time.

00:07:39.000 Being a lawyer, a one-term congressman, and our most important president ever.

00:07:44.000 That is the American dream.

00:07:47.000 And there's this great story where Frederick Douglass was trying to advocate for the abolition of slavery, and he showed up at the White House.

00:07:55.000 I'm not sure if you have this in your book or not.

00:07:57.000 He showed up in the White House to try to get a meeting with Abraham Lincoln, and everyone else waiting to go see the president were white.

00:08:03.000 And he submitted his name, Frederick Douglass.

00:08:06.000 And someone got to President Lincoln and said, Frederick Douglass is here to see you.

00:08:11.000 And he had heard of Frederick Douglass and he had heard of his work.

00:08:14.000 And he requested Frederick Douglass to come in.

00:08:16.000 Now, a black man in the White House while Abraham Lincoln was president was not normal, right? 0.98

00:08:23.000 And unless you were a staff member, I'm putting that, you know, anyway.

00:08:30.000 So they call Frederick Douglass through, and almost the staff tries to stop him at every single corner.

00:08:36.000 And then Abraham Lincoln finally looks through kind of a hall and sees Frederick Douglass and says, ah, that's Frederick Douglass, my friend.

00:08:43.000 Please come here.

00:08:44.000 And it was this amazing moment where everyone around him said, wow, Abraham Lincoln is treating Frederick Douglass as an equal.

00:08:51.000 Talk a little bit about their relationship together.

00:08:54.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I'm so glad you pointed that out.

00:08:56.000 It's probably the most important moment in the book.

00:08:59.000 So just to give you a little bit of backstory, we did a special.

00:09:01.000 It was on Fox Nation.

00:09:02.000 I went back to the White House.

00:09:04.000 I didn't tell Joe Biden I was coming with Douglas Brinkley.

00:09:08.000 And we sat there in front and we just said, you know, behind us is the White House.

00:09:12.000 It's where Frederick Douglass stood back in, you know, 1863.

00:09:17.000 And he got online like everybody else.

00:09:19.000 And they said, can I have your card?

00:09:20.000 And he said, yeah, here's my card, Frederick Douglass.

00:09:22.000 Within 10 minutes, he got asked to go up.

00:09:24.000 And he's past sitting senator and congressman and moms looking to find out what happened to his sons.

00:09:29.000 You know, the Civil War is raging.

00:09:31.000 And he gets right up there.

00:09:32.000 And he looks over at Lincoln for the first time and he says, and his chronicle did it in his biography.

00:09:37.000 He said, I see a man sitting in a chair that was way too small for him.

00:09:40.000 And I saw every year of this war in his face.

00:09:44.000 And keep in mind, he's only 55, 56 years old at the time.

00:09:47.000 People think Lincoln was like seven.

00:09:49.000 No, he just was in a very, you know, he's in a tough time in the world.

00:09:53.000 He was a Midwesterner working every day, not with the sunscreen that Charlie Kirk uses.

00:09:58.000 And he was aged beyond his years because he felt every death, and including the death of his own son, who died while he was in the White House.

00:10:06.000 So he goes up there and sees him.

00:10:08.000 And the minute they see each other, he said, he realized he earned the name honest Abe.

00:10:14.000 And he saw the sincerity in which he listened.

00:10:16.000 They floated ideas back and forth.

00:10:18.000 They asked each other questions.

00:10:20.000 And then they said, Listen, we got the Emancipation.

00:10:24.000 I did what you said, Frederick.

00:10:26.000 I got African Americans fighting for their own freedom in uniform with guns.

00:10:30.000 Now what?

00:10:30.000 He goes, You have to help me recruit.

00:10:32.000 He goes, I got it.

00:10:33.000 His sons joined the 54th Massachusetts Infantry.

00:10:36.000 He walks around to black units in the North and says, Guys, you got to join.

00:10:40.000 We got to go for the win.

00:10:42.000 He says, Hey, Frederick, we got to go into the South.

00:10:42.000 They meet again.

00:10:45.000 We got to let them know that these men are free.

00:10:48.000 These women are free. 1.00

00:10:49.000 Let them rise up and come across.

00:10:51.000 And then we'll give them uniforms and let them fight. 0.85

00:10:54.000 Now, it was just amazing to me to see this interaction going on because for the most part, Frederick Douglass had his own newspaper called the North Star, and he was critical.

00:11:03.000 And I think you might be able to relate to this.

00:11:05.000 He was very critical of Lincoln, not because he was the worst, because he expected him to be the best.

00:11:10.000 He wanted Lincoln to take office and free the slave.

00:11:13.000 He wanted Lincoln to take office and give all the African Americans in the country guns and uniform.

00:11:19.000 And Lincoln's first as a politician, the country was not ready.

00:11:22.000 The North wasn't really the South purely for slavery. 0.71

00:11:25.000 They were looking to fight the South to get back in the Union.

00:11:29.000 And the South was looking to fight to preserve slavery.

00:11:33.000 No question about it.

00:11:34.000 Their way of life.

00:11:36.000 But Lincoln had to keep pace.

00:11:38.000 Douglas wanted it right away.

00:11:39.000 He would eventually understand that Lincoln's timeframe was right.

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00:12:50.000 Everyone, check it out.

00:12:52.000 Brian does a great job.

00:12:53.000 I'm a big Abraham Lincoln fan.

00:12:55.000 Abraham Lincoln was basically self-taught, non-college educated.

00:12:59.000 He studied Shakespeare and Euclid and the Bible.

00:13:03.000 That's where he got his basis for reason, wisdom, and culture.

00:13:10.000 Tell us a little about Abraham Lincoln.

00:13:11.000 Do we need a Lincoln right now, Brian?

00:13:13.000 What does that mean that we need a Lincoln?

00:13:15.000 Because that's used a lot.

00:13:17.000 What kind of guy was he?

00:13:18.000 Number one, like you said, self-taught, very curious, very kind, very honest, very tough, very sarcastic, very funny.

00:13:25.000 And what you have is a guy who read, and this is the where Frederick Douglass and Lincoln were alike.

00:13:32.000 There was this new, there's this book out, and I would encourage everyone to download it called The Columbian Orator.

00:13:36.000 And it was a book written.

00:13:38.000 It was everything you just said.

00:13:39.000 In the book, you have essays by George Washington by Socrates.

00:13:45.000 Obviously, someone else wrote it.

00:13:46.000 Socrates never wrote anything down, but Plato did, made all the money.

00:13:49.000 Then you have people like Caesar would be in there.

00:13:52.000 Cicero would be in there.

00:13:54.000 And both were reading this book simultaneously, different parts of the world, different experiences.

00:13:59.000 But it opened up their minds.

00:14:01.000 It opened up their minds to what else was happening in the world at the time and to understand that what life could be and what compared it to other things.

00:14:09.000 Where if you were a slave, Frederick Douglass was a slave, all he saw was this horrible existence.

00:14:15.000 And all the people he saw were these horrible existence, he had nothing to compare it to.

00:14:18.000 So to open up Lincoln's mind, he would see all these things while worshiping the founding fathers.

00:14:23.000 And what you had is a guy that never stopped learning, always had two ears, one mouth, but at the same time would learn to emerge as an impactful politician, as a congressman right away, as an attorney, would walk around and represent the unrepresented.

00:14:38.000 But it was time for this party called the Republican Party to emerge.

00:14:43.000 It was Lincoln that ended up at the perfect time at the perfect place to take on Stephen Douglas for the Senate seat first, which he lost, but it wasn't a popular vote then in the state, in the city, in the state.

00:14:53.000 It was voted by the party leaders.

00:14:56.000 But his debates were written up around the country, and the substance of which are really the handbook on how to lead America at the time and maybe even today.

00:15:05.000 And people said, Who is this guy?

00:15:07.000 Who cares that he lost?

00:15:08.000 Douglas knew, my goodness, Stephen Douglas thought he was going to be president.

00:15:12.000 But after he competed against Lincoln, he said, This is going to be my main competition.

00:15:17.000 And when Lincoln finally emerges and gets the nomination over Seward in New York, even though Seward was the governor, he would give this killer speech to Lincoln at Cooper Union.

00:15:27.000 And it was in the special in New York City, at which time he looked at the founding fathers and what they viewed on slavery.

00:15:33.000 And he saw that Lincoln, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe all were against it, but couldn't get out of it.

00:15:37.000 It was a compromise done back then to lace together these 13 colonies into one country.

00:15:44.000 All sides had to give something up.

00:15:46.000 Virginia wanted to give up slavery, but South Carolina didn't. 0.99

00:15:49.000 So they went along with it.

00:15:50.000 So he was able to give historical conscience context to the most controversial thing of that day, obviously, was slavery, which is happening on every continent.

00:15:58.000 And Lincoln studied for hours in order to give that one speech, not for just the audience, but newspapers would be writing it up and they would publish all around the country.

00:16:08.000 And they say, this is the answer to that issue.

00:16:10.000 This gives us context to what our founding fathers were thinking just decades later, as opposed to hundreds of years before.

00:16:17.000 And this is the type of guy he was.

00:16:20.000 Not great, knew his parents wasn't great, knew he didn't dress great, didn't spend a lot of time on clothes and appearance, but knew at the time that he had to create an image, the rail splitter, turn intellect, who's still a rail splitter. 0.81

00:16:32.000 That would be his nomination.

00:16:34.000 That would be his presidency.

00:16:35.000 And as you know, he would not get any Southern votes with 40% of the popular vote.

00:16:40.000 He would become president, but seven states would leave before he got there.

00:16:44.000 And next thing you know, he was in almost enemy territory when he went to Washington, D.C.

00:16:49.000 So you think that Trump had it tough?

00:16:51.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 You think that Biden has his back against the wall of the pandemic, in a way, but nothing compared to Lincoln.

00:16:57.000 I'm so glad you mentioned the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

00:17:00.000 The Lincoln-Douglas debates are very similar to what you mentioned previously, some of the dialogues of Socrates.

00:17:05.000 What is justice?

00:17:06.000 What is right?

00:17:07.000 And actually, where you are, I'm guessing you're in New York City right now.

00:17:12.000 A young historian by the name of Harry Jaffa actually was going through an old bookstore in Manhattan.

00:17:18.000 This is like 60 or 70 years ago and dusted off the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

00:17:22.000 And they were not popular until he kind of found them and publicized them.

00:17:26.000 And you read these, it is the ultimate question of what does it mean to be an American?

00:17:30.000 What is justice?

00:17:31.000 What is the struggle towards the good?

00:17:34.000 And Abraham Lincoln was incredibly charismatic and wise and articulate defender of that.

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00:18:45.000 A lot of you have been emailing us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:18:50.000 How do I teach my kids history?

00:18:51.000 What should I teach my kids history?

00:18:54.000 What part of history should I teach my kids?

00:18:56.000 I guess is the question that we get a lot of.

00:18:58.000 Anything by Brian Kilmead is the first answer.

00:19:00.000 His books are terrific.

00:19:00.000 His book on the Alamo is phenomenal.

00:19:03.000 His work on Andrew Jackson is inspiring.

00:19:05.000 And also, George Washington's Secret Six is really cool.

00:19:08.000 But this one in particular, I just love this period of history.

00:19:12.000 Abraham Lincoln was a special person.

00:19:14.000 So, Brian, welcome back.

00:19:16.000 Right now in San Francisco, they are debating whether or not they need to rename a school from Abraham Lincoln.

00:19:24.000 In fact, let me read this article for you: San Francisco to remove names of Washington and Lincoln from schools, saying that it's because he's connected to oppression and slavery and racism.

00:19:36.000 How could you possibly glean that from the life of Abraham Lincoln?

00:19:40.000 You read 1619, and that's what they try to say.

00:19:43.000 And now it's in the curriculum.

00:19:44.000 And that's why CRT makes it full circle.

00:19:47.000 And that's why it's not okay to don't worry about it.

00:19:49.000 I'll work it out when the kids get home.

00:19:51.000 And that's the only good thing that came out of the pandemic that I know of is that people are listening to some of this crap coming out from the Zoom calls, from the Zoom classes, and saying, What are you learning?

00:20:00.000 That makes no sense. 0.86

00:20:01.000 What are you even saying?

00:20:03.000 And what they're pointing out to, and this is the big picture, they're taking today's values, whether better or for worse, and they're projecting on 1880s or 1492 or 1500s or 1700s, or what you're saying in the 18th century.

00:20:15.000 And they're saying, Why don't they think like we think?

00:20:18.000 Well, there are times during the Douglas debates where Stephen Douglas turns around and says, Frederick Douglass is basically your running mate.

00:20:24.000 You believe everything Frederick Douglass.

00:20:26.000 And he says, No, I think blacks should be free, but I don't think they're equal. 1.00

00:20:29.000 I don't think they're of our equal mindset, but they deserve to have freedom.

00:20:33.000 Now, people might go, aha, look at this terrible line Lincoln had.

00:20:36.000 But in his day, that was actually enlightened.

00:20:40.000 And by the end of his life, as we talked about last segment, with Douglas coming to see him, waiting five minutes online, with Douglas being his featured guest on the platform for his second inaugural, with him seeing Douglas for the final time, and Douglas walking up, him spotting Lincoln, and Lincoln saying, My friend Douglas, what did you think of my speech?

00:20:59.000 And Douglas says, Don't worry about me.

00:21:01.000 You got a room full of people.

00:21:02.000 He said, There's nobody's opinion I care more about.

00:21:04.000 So people evolve in their time, let alone since their time.

00:21:10.000 In their time, the man that ran for four years and said, I want freedom, I don't want equality, he basically ran for equality as an abolitionist four years later.

00:21:21.000 And then he's looking at Frederick Douglass and says, My friend, there's no one opinion I care more about.

00:21:26.000 Does that sound like a racist to you?

00:21:29.000 I mean, does that sound like someone you don't want on your elementary school, the front of your elementary school?

00:21:34.000 The answer is no.

00:21:35.000 But are there questionable things that happen in Patton's background and Lincoln's background, in everybody's background?

00:21:42.000 Barack Obama thought of same-sex marriage was terrible in 2008.

00:21:47.000 In 2012, he ran on it.

00:21:49.000 Was he a terrible person in 2008?

00:21:51.000 People change.

00:21:52.000 People evolve.

00:21:52.000 Society changes.

00:21:54.000 And to me, I never saw a period, Charlie, and you're much closer to it because you're always with the next generation that was so judgmental on our past.

00:22:04.000 Instead of studying our past, we're judging them on our values.

00:22:08.000 What arrogance.

00:22:11.000 I totally agree.

00:22:12.000 And, you know, biblically, it's really interesting.

00:22:14.000 If you read Genesis 6:9, it talks about Noah and it says, Noah was a righteous man among the people of his time.

00:22:23.000 It's very interesting that in the first couple books of Genesis, they go out of their way to say, Hey, Noah was good if you compare Noah amongst who he was around.

00:22:31.000 But if you compared Noah to David, I don't know if Noah would have cut the, you know, and it's a really interesting kind of way that the Torah teaches the first five books of the Bible.

00:22:40.000 It says, hey, when you look at history, you got to compare it to their contemporaries.

00:22:44.000 Isn't that right?

00:22:46.000 That's my whole point.

00:22:47.000 In 1619 Project, which is now the number one book because the New York Times published it.

00:22:52.000 And even though so many historians came out and said, I'm just not comfortable with this.

00:22:56.000 Take my name off it.

00:22:57.000 So much here is inaccurate.

00:22:59.000 The 1619 Project says, okay, it's 2020 and I don't like what some of the founding fathers did and said, oh, really?

00:23:05.000 I'm sorry.

00:23:05.000 They didn't live up to your ability.

00:23:06.000 Do you know you wouldn't be here?

00:23:08.000 They set the foundation.

00:23:10.000 They spread the cement that allowed us to build the houses and the society, the number one economic and military force in the world and has been really since the 1950s.

00:23:18.000 So instead of accepting, and we're building on it, they're judging it.

00:23:21.000 And you're 100% right.

00:23:23.000 The 1619 Project says, look at these quotes from Lincoln and Washington and Jefferson and others and saying, well, this is a terrible country where we're born on stolen land and we oppress people to build it.

00:23:35.000 That is just a hateful view of America that I would expect to come out of Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, and China, not from inside our country by a leading newspaper that is now a curriculum.

00:23:50.000 So I thought I'd do these books because I loved it and would like to share it with Fox viewers who are often the most patriotic in our country.

00:23:57.000 I didn't know history books would be necessary.

00:24:00.000 So I find myself in these speeches and Friday night.

00:24:04.000 December 3rd, December 4th, I'll be on stage talking about all these books and live events.

00:24:09.000 Not a Charlie Kirk crowd, but a good crowd, about 500,000 people.

00:24:13.000 But I'll be talking about America great from the start, winning the war on American history, putting all these books in context.

00:24:21.000 Well, but Brian, I'm so passionate about this, and I didn't mean to cut you off, but one of Lincoln's quotes, they never, they owe it, the 1619 project, they don't use original source documents.

00:24:29.000 Nicole Hannah Jones has come under huge fire for misrepresentation.

00:24:33.000 She does not actually take the founders in their own words.

00:24:35.000 For example, Lincoln, who is not a founder, but some would say he actually oversaw a new founding, a second founding of America, said, I am naturally anti-slavery, Lincoln said.

00:24:44.000 If slavery is not wrong, then nothing is wrong. 0.99

00:24:48.000 I cannot remember when I did not so think or feel that way.

00:24:52.000 Brian.

00:24:54.000 Yes, 100%.

00:24:57.000 He always said that.

00:24:58.000 He never really was in a slave culture.

00:25:00.000 Of course, he would travel and visit.

00:25:01.000 He'd go down the Mississippi and deliver things.

00:25:03.000 And he's got some remarkable physical stories about that to make money and to see the world and see the country.

00:25:10.000 But the critics would say, yeah, he wants freedom, but he doesn't think blacks and whites were the same intellectually.

00:25:17.000 You know who also thought that?

00:25:19.000 Benjamin Franklin.

00:25:20.000 You know who also changed?

00:25:21.000 Benjamin Franklin.

00:25:22.000 Became an abolitionist.

00:25:23.000 The guy was once a slave owner.

00:25:25.000 In his time, he was the smartest man anywhere on the planet in his time.

00:25:32.000 Do I want to slam every biography on Benjamin Franklin?

00:25:35.000 Closed because he had these beliefs early, but he was a person who was born into a culture that felt that way.

00:25:42.000 And the thing is about Lincoln, there's time and time again where he showed it.

00:25:46.000 And I'll go back to a moving moment.

00:25:49.000 It's depicted in many movies.

00:25:52.000 So one of the great people in our past that's finally getting the credit he deserves is Ulysses S. Grant.

00:25:58.000 And Grant was for, let's get these blacks in the army. 0.98

00:26:01.000 And Seward wants it too.

00:26:03.000 And Seward says, but don't, Mr. President, don't do it now.

00:26:06.000 It looks desperation because the union kept losing.

00:26:09.000 And then when they finally have Antietam, which was a hard-fought, bloody victory, he goes, now.

00:26:14.000 And sure enough, the word went out, blacks can fight for the freedom, and they would.

00:26:18.000 And they fight valiantly and brilliantly.

00:26:20.000 And they dispel a lot of beliefs about what kind of courage they actually had.

00:26:24.000 And they won the respect of just about everyone that fought with him.

00:26:27.000 But the man that made it happen was Lincoln.

00:26:29.000 And when it finally came clear that they were going to win the war and Jefferson Davis fled Richmond, Lincoln grabbed his son and said, let's get on a barge and let's go to Richmond.

00:26:37.000 I want to see where Jefferson Davis led.

00:26:39.000 And as he stepped ashore, the first people to greet him were blacks, were African Americans.

00:26:44.000 And they see him and they start crying.

00:26:48.000 And he says, lift up, don't you?

00:26:49.000 What are you guys doing?

00:26:50.000 Don't, you know, don't worship me.

00:26:52.000 I'm just a man.

00:26:52.000 He goes, you gave us all this freedom.

00:26:55.000 You believed in us.

00:26:56.000 He goes, now show everybody what you can do.

00:26:58.000 Show everyone that you earned it.

00:27:00.000 And this is moving moment.

00:27:01.000 Also, when Grant gets visited by Lincoln out in the battlefield, he said, Mr. President, down there is an all-black unit.

00:27:08.000 Go say hello.

00:27:09.000 And as he gets closer, the same thing.

00:27:11.000 They look at him.

00:27:12.000 They burst into tears.

00:27:13.000 They throw their hats in the air and they just want to hug him.

00:27:15.000 Say, thanks for believing in us.

00:27:17.000 Is that a guy that you do not want as a statue in the front of your building, in the front of your workplace, in the front of your elementary school?

00:27:27.000 Of course it is.

00:27:28.000 It doesn't mean at one point in his teens and in his 20s when he was writing and he was debating.

00:27:34.000 He didn't say, I don't think we're equal.

00:27:36.000 You know why?

00:27:37.000 Because they weren't educated.

00:27:39.000 Education is everything.

00:27:41.000 And that brings us back to the central theme today.

00:27:43.000 What are we learning in schools?

00:27:45.000 And are we giving blacks, Hispanics, women and men the equal opportunity to learn, opportunity, not outcomes, to learn?

00:27:56.000 So that is a great man of his time.

00:27:59.000 That's why he lives in Intamy. 0.94

00:28:00.000 That's why he belongs to the ages.

00:28:03.000 Amen.

00:28:04.000 And not to mention, just in the context of the pressure and the differences of direction the country could have gone for Lincoln to act in the way he did with prudence and with courage, never being overly dramatic, but always analyzing what was in front of him, looking at it rationally, looking at it reasonably, asking himself, what do I want?

00:28:28.000 What do we want to get out of this?

00:28:30.000 And then being willing to see it all the way through.

00:28:34.000 Talk briefly with Abraham Lincoln.

00:28:37.000 How Abraham Lincoln very well could have just given up and said, you know what?

00:28:42.000 Too much bloodshed.

00:28:42.000 Fine.

00:28:43.000 The South, you can have your own country.

00:28:45.000 Why did he think that was a mistake?

00:28:47.000 And how close were we to actually that conclusion?

00:28:50.000 Well, look, the only time that Lincoln wavered was when he first took office.

00:28:55.000 He told the South, he goes, you guys come back into the fray. 0.86

00:28:58.000 Let's forget it.

00:28:59.000 Keep your slaves.

00:29:00.000 We'll work it out down the line.

00:29:01.000 That's no reason to leave the country.

00:29:03.000 That drove Douglas crazy and wrote about in his newspaper, the North Star.

00:29:07.000 But the 13th Amendment said imbuing slavery in our system, it ended up being the thing that freed every man in America, every black man in America and woman.

00:29:16.000 So having said that, you had a guy that wouldn't want to waiver because he saw no way out.

00:29:20.000 He thought he owed it to the founding fathers to finish it through.

00:29:23.000 But if he did not win re-election, we do not remain one country because almost everyone from McClellan to other people vying for the nomination wanted this thing to end.

00:29:34.000 So almost 700,000 were dead.

00:29:36.000 No clear end in sight.

00:29:38.000 Nobody was giving up.

00:29:39.000 So let's cut a deal.

00:29:40.000 They were trying to cut deals around him, but not with him.

00:29:44.000 Wow.

00:29:44.000 So there was something about him who knew this was almost a, he wasn't a religious man, but he was a spiritual man that believed that his mission was to get this country back together to live up to the Constitution.

00:29:57.000 I will say, and Brian, you know this.

00:29:58.000 It's debated, but a really good Lincoln historian says that Lincoln's last words as he leaned over to Mary Todd Lincoln as he said, I look forward to the day to walk in the streets of Jerusalem alongside where our Savior did.

00:30:15.000 Bang.

00:30:16.000 Now, I'm told that's true.

00:30:17.000 There is some debate amongst that.

00:30:19.000 And you know, Lincoln went to church service, the Presbyterian church in D.C. quite often, but he had a reverence for the Bible, no doubt.

00:30:25.000 I think that is that's well agreed upon with historians.

00:30:29.000 The book is The President of the Freedom Fighter.

00:30:31.000 Brian, you're a great American.

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00:30:33.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:30:34.000 We deeply appreciate it, Brian.

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00:32:50.000 There is just so much news happening today with the Supreme Court.

00:32:54.000 We didn't even mention that the courts are blocking Joe Biden's vaccine mandates.

00:32:59.000 That last evening there was a stay put on Joe Biden's vaccine mandate that was pretty remarkable.

00:33:07.000 Louisiana judge Terry Dodie cites Dr. Jay, here we go, Battacharia.

00:33:14.000 Is that right?

00:33:14.000 It's not bad.

00:33:15.000 We're in the ball.

00:33:17.000 We're in the zip code.

00:33:18.000 And Dr. Peter McCullough in his decision to block Joe Biden's federal COVID-19 vaccine mandate.

00:33:24.000 Quote, these studies overwhelmingly conclude that natural immunity provides equivalent or greater protection against a severe infection than immunity generated by COVID-19 vaccines.

00:33:35.000 The judge says the vaccines do not prevent transmission of the disease among the vaccinated.

00:33:41.000 The virus has achieved an immune escape from the COVID-19 vaccines.

00:33:45.000 The Delta variant is not adequately covered by the vaccines.

00:33:51.000 So the courts struck that down, and I was really pleased to see that.

00:33:55.000 Now, we are hearing whispers that Joe Biden is going to go full totalitarian.

00:34:01.000 There's a big announcement coming.

00:34:02.000 He might do a domestic air travel vaccine requirement.

00:34:07.000 I think that might be in the cards.

00:34:10.000 Now, I want to say our hope should not be in the courts, but I am pleased to see that there is this Article 3 firewall that is protecting some of our natural rights.

00:34:22.000 Now, despite Joe Biden losing in the courts, despite Joe Biden's vaccine mandate being struck down at every corner, there's virtually no vaccine mandate that's currently been held up.

00:34:33.000 If I'm not mistaken, the federal contractor vaccine mandate has been stayed.

00:34:38.000 The OSHA vaccine mandate has been stayed.

00:34:41.000 Now, here's what we, I just want to give a little bit of a preview.

00:34:44.000 Joe Biden is going to go full Mussolini and going to have a press conference.

00:34:48.000 He's going to be talking about potentially mandating the quarantine of international travelers coming into the United States, which is ridiculous, unnecessary, and that would sow vaccine hesitancy.

00:34:59.000 By the way, it's so funny.

00:35:00.000 They always accuse me of sowing vaccine hesitancy, which I've never done, by the way.

00:35:04.000 I just ask questions and I never get any answers from these apparatches.

00:35:07.000 Do you know what does sow vaccine hesitancy?

00:35:09.000 Requiring people to wear masks, even though people are getting vaccinated.

00:35:12.000 Isn't that the ultimate action of vaccine skepticism and hesitancy?

00:35:16.000 It undermines the entire issue of that.

00:35:21.000 Now, I have a theory that ties to a segment we did earlier.

00:35:28.000 I rewatched the Jim Kramer clip and I re-watched it three or four times.

00:35:35.000 I have a new take on it.

00:35:37.000 It's not contradictory, by the way.

00:35:39.000 I think it was orchestrated.

00:35:41.000 I think he was told to do it to move the Overton window.

00:35:46.000 I think Jim Cramer was employed for the sole purpose to try and change what is deemed acceptable in public opinion.

00:35:57.000 We've gone through the Overton window multiple times.

00:36:00.000 The Overton window is a spectrum of what is deemed to be policy versus unacceptable even talk about or popular or it goes from unacceptable to unpopular to neutral to popular to policy.

00:36:16.000 What if Jim Kramer going out and saying that we need to bring the military in, everybody needs vaccinated?

00:36:20.000 What if he was to try to move the Overton window a little bit further than they're actually planning to go?

00:36:25.000 But when something falls 10% short of that, people are like, oh, yeah, I guess that's somewhat reasonable.

00:36:31.000 Canada, for example, has now banned unvaccinated from travel, citing the Omicron variant, which was first found in fully vaccinated patients.

00:36:41.000 Europe is going the same way.

00:36:43.000 The Overton window, by the way, goes from unthinkable to radical, acceptable to sensible, to popular to policy.

00:36:49.000 It's a spectrum that goes both ways.

00:36:53.000 So the courts, are they offering a successful bulwark or are they just offering a speed bump?

00:37:01.000 Are the courts actually going to be able to slow down these vaccine mandates or is the ruling class trying to socially condition, trying to prepare the American people for something even more dramatic that is coming next?

00:37:19.000 That's the question.

00:37:21.000 You look at Europe, you look at Germany, look at Austria, look at Australia.

00:37:24.000 They are all going the opposite direction.

00:37:27.000 Now, thanks to our federalist system, our state-based system, it's going to be hard to do that here.

00:37:32.000 But we are going to be watching very carefully what Joe Biden does because the courts are pushing back against Biden.

00:37:37.000 He doesn't care.

00:37:38.000 He's not going to run for president again, despite what they're saying.

00:37:41.000 No, Jim Cramer and all these people, I think, were in the business of the fullback leading and blocking, if you will, trying to change what is acceptable to try and turn America into an open-air COVID police state.

00:37:57.000 Time will tell.

00:38:00.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 02, 2021

The Case Against Cancelling Lincoln with Brian Kilmeade

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