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00:01:09.000Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:12.000We're going to be talking to Frank Turek about the Sabbath and Charlie's upcoming book in just a moment.
00:01:16.000But first, we wanted to use this segment at the top of this hour to say something important, something very important.
00:01:24.000For the past two and a half months, there is a topic that has flooded our Freedom Inbox.
00:01:29.000It has been non-stop on social media, but which we have almost totally avoided on this show.
00:01:35.000You probably already know what I'm talking about, which shows just how ubiquitous it has been.
00:01:42.000Ever since Charlie's murder, Candace Owens has leveled a flood of allegations against people at Turning Point USA, people at Turning Point Action, and people who work for this show.
00:01:54.000She's made them against some of Charlie's closest friends and against some of his most dedicated employees.
00:02:00.000She has suggested that Michael McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie would be murdered, was happy that he died, and stayed silent because he was told he would be the next Charlie.
00:02:10.000She has suggested Michael is not his real name.
00:02:14.000I have seen his birth certificate myself.
00:02:16.000She has called it suspicious that Mikey's wife, who works at Turning Point, helped plan the campus tour event where Charlie was murdered, which she didn't, by the way.
00:02:27.000Candace has suggested the Utah Valley University event was unusual and its details suggested a quote inside job.
00:02:35.000She has claimed that foreign aircraft have followed Erica Kirk around the country and that Turning Point has lied about this happening.
00:02:43.000She has accused us of lying about Charlie wanting Erica to take over for him if he died.
00:02:49.000She has suggested Charlie's security team intentionally denied him first aid after the shooting to ensure that he died.
00:02:56.000She has raised suspicions about the head of our technical team because he took an SD card out of a camera.
00:03:03.000She has spread absurd claims that Tyler Boyer, who we just had on the show, sexually abuses male interns.
00:03:11.000She has suggested that TPUSA faith-affiliated pastors like theologian Frank Turek, who we'll have on in a moment, and Pastor Rob McCoy are part of a military, quote, infiltration of Turning Point, either because they are veterans or because they have family members who are.
00:03:28.000Even if not everyone has been named specifically, though, Candace has effectively tarred everyone here with complicity in Charlie's death by repeatedly saying he was, quote, betrayed by, quote, everyone.
00:03:41.000She has said Charlie's murder, quote, had to be approved by Charlie's friends and then suggested those friends might have her murdered too for quote knowing the truth.
00:03:52.000She has made claims of financial impropriety and fraud at turning point, adding up into the millions of dollars, which again is not true.
00:04:00.000Charlie made sure the organization was audited by a third party every year.
00:04:05.000He personally reviewed and he signed off on every expense report and literally every single bill paid by the organization down to a single United States dollar.
00:04:19.000Candace has made other stranger allegations involving French paratroopers in maroon shirts, Egyptian Air Force planes flying out of Provo, Utah, and potential underground assassins traveling through unseen tunnels.
00:04:32.000At one point, in early November, she started wildly throwing suspicion on members of Utah Valley's soccer team for wearing hoodies.
00:04:42.000There is always something new coming up, and none of it ever pans out because, from the start, there has been nothing there.
00:04:50.000The attacks and allegations from Candace are either lies or they are innuendos thrown around with a total, reckless disregard for the truth, so that Candace can manipulate and string along an audience of people who don't realize they are being played.
00:05:06.000Instead of being able to grieve properly after one of the most heinous murders in American history, a murder many of us had to witness, my friends have had to endure harassment from people who have gotten whipped up by what Candace is saying.
00:05:21.000In fact, I would say we have suffered more harassment from these people than we have from Antifa supporters who overtly celebrate Charlie's murder.
00:05:30.000And just like a lot of those Antifa members, many of these people take this delight in how gross and unpleasant they can be.
00:05:38.000What our friends have had to endure is not funny and it's not insignificant.
00:06:29.000Don't give air to people who want to tear you down and sow discord.
00:06:34.000Lastly, we didn't respond because Charlie always viewed Candace as a friend, and we were holding out hope that she would return that friendship and stop what she was doing.
00:06:47.000But a week from now, it's going to be three months since Charlie's murder.
00:06:54.000She has continued to spread falsehoods about Charlie's friends, and she continues to concoct new ones about new people.
00:07:02.000She's using these falsehoods to enrich herself while dividing the conservative movement at an absolutely critical time for this country.
00:07:11.000And far too often, we here have heard from ordinary people, people who loved Charlie and who Charlie loved so much in return.
00:07:18.000These people have expressed the worry that we are staying silent out of cowardice or as some sort of tacit admission that some of the attacks are true.
00:08:04.000In the near future, there will be a live stream here in Phoenix where we address in a clear and comprehensive way the claims and accusations, the false accusations that have been made against Charlie's family, friends, and the people here at Turning Point.
00:08:19.000We plan to walk through everything carefully and thoroughly.
00:08:22.000If Candace is available, we would sincerely welcome her participation in that live stream at our studio here in Phoenix.
00:08:31.000At this point, we believe the ball is back in her court.
00:08:35.000Our motivation for doing this is not out of any obligation to Candace.
00:09:39.000And for anybody to suggest, whether it's Candace Owens or any other person within TPUSA, was somehow complicit in his murder is to say that Charlie Kirk was such a bad judge of character that he put a bunch of traitors around him.
00:09:58.000If there's anything I knew about Charlie Kirk, he knew how to spot talent and integrity and people that wanted to make a difference for the Lord and the country.
00:10:15.000It takes a lot more faith to believe that Charlie didn't know who his friends were and picked all the wrong people to surround him to build an organization that came from nothing to the most powerful conservative organization in the country.
00:10:35.000I mean, in 13 years, he built it and it was big before 13 years.
00:10:40.000You know, he really got it moving about seven or eight years later.
00:10:46.000It strains credulity to suggest that people within that organization, people that he handpicked himself, somehow murdered him.
00:10:56.000If you're going to suggest that, you better have a lot of evidence.
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00:12:43.000Andrew's talked about on this show, you know, he thinks about Charlie every day when he gets up and he thinks about him every night when he goes to bed.
00:12:50.000And he just looms large in all of our heads and all of our hearts.
00:12:54.000And I suspect he will for the rest of our lives.
00:12:58.000And I wanted to take a chance to talk about this.
00:13:01.000So, you know, Charlie did get the chance to finish Stop in the Name of God just before the tragedy.
00:13:07.000We're extremely happy that he did that.
00:13:08.000And it's out next, I believe on the 9th next Tuesday.
00:13:12.000Every book comes out on a Tuesday for some reason.
00:13:15.000And I know you were one of the pastors he was closest to.
00:13:21.000And I just thought I'd ask you, throw out to you, if you could talk about what the Sabbath means.
00:13:28.000And if you had any, if you had any funny interactions with Charlie about his own relationship with the Sabbath, I'm sure he had that conversation with you.
00:13:34.000Well, yeah, Charlie was wanting to keep the Sabbath, not necessarily because he thought it was an obligation, but because he thought it was a fabulous idea that helped him recharge every week and refocus back on God and his family.
00:13:51.000He would take, as you know, Blake, he would take his cell phone, turn it off, put it in a drawer, and for 24 to 30 hours, however long the Sabbath was, you could not reach him unless there was some sort of emergency.
00:14:04.000There was a special line that people could call.
00:14:06.000But he wanted to be out of touch so he could be in touch with the Lord and in touch with his family.
00:14:13.000And in this book, I was shocked because he and I talked about this a lot.
00:14:17.000And I knew you probably did too, Blake.
00:14:19.000I was shocked at how good the book was because he's not a trained theologian.
00:14:25.000But man, did he do his research, Blake?
00:14:28.000And he's got chapters in here on arguments why the Sabbath is still in place and another chapter on why it's not.
00:14:36.000And he, of course, lets the reader decide.
00:14:39.000But he was so serious about Christianity, so serious about the Bible, that he wanted to put this down because it was such a blessing to him.
00:14:50.000And if we're going to be serious about being Christians, then we ought to follow the Bible too.
00:14:56.000And unfortunately, I don't see people following the Bible and following the admonition to ensure that you don't accuse people without evidence in this whole debate we're having over who really killed Charlie.
00:16:18.000And with regard to people convicting innocent people in the court of public opinion without evidence, it's very similar to what happened to Jesus because Caiaphas, the high priest who sentenced Jesus to die, of course, did so much wrong.
00:18:44.000We won't have a society if we do that.
00:18:46.000Yeah, you know, a lot of this, you know, the events of the past few months, it's made me, it's expanded my appreciation of Charlie and again, how strong he was.
00:18:55.000And one of those things is I've really realized since this happened, what Charlie had to put up with in private that he never complained about.
00:19:04.000He never complained about to me, certainly.
00:19:06.000And I was one of his closest associates.
00:19:09.000And, you know, he endured a lot of pressure.
00:19:11.000He endured in private things that were so hurtful.
00:20:02.000Chapter 12, Sabbath Made Simple, how you can, how you can incorporate it into your life by, you know, making your Sabbath start ritual, turning off your phone 24 hours, planning screen-free meals with friends and family.
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00:22:41.000To have a very interesting conversation right now, we're joined by Bill Glan.
00:24:18.000But the more recent thing that's been going on, of course, is the Somali fraud story.
00:24:23.000It went viral because of a report from Chris Ruffo and Ryan Thorpe at City Journal.
00:24:28.000But you guys have justifiably pointed out it has been known in the state of Minnesota for a while, and it's more that the nation is getting, it's coming to their attention.
00:24:37.000And it's really wider than even just the list of stories in that.
00:24:40.000I think we have a chart here that I want to bring up.
00:25:16.000And so I started putting together this tracker where I have tracked 28 separate scandals involving money, taxpayer money, state or federal taxpayer money that have been stolen through fraud.
00:25:28.000And I need to update it because there was a news story that came out in the last day or so, yet another fraud unrelated to the Somali frauds that we've been talking about.
00:25:37.000And some of those numbers are kind of low as federal investigators or state investigators dig deeper, the dollar amount keeps growing.
00:25:46.000We have the chart up next to you right now, actually.
00:25:48.000And yeah, it's 300 million feeding our future.
00:25:52.000We have 100 million for the child care assistance program.
00:25:55.000But I know now we're estimating the total here is 660 million, but I know they're throwing around the B word, a billion dollars for a lot of us now.
00:26:08.000But our local prosecutor, the head prosecutor for white-collar crime at the federal U.S. Attorney's Office, he is on record as saying his office is prosecuting over $1 billion with a B dollar's worth of fraud.
00:26:24.000And he's only got half a dozen prosecutors in his office.
00:26:29.000He has openly admitted, I can't prosecute all the cases that come to me.
00:26:34.000So when he puts a dollar amount together, he thinks the total is over $2 billion.
00:26:39.000Again, plural, more than $2 billion worth of fraud.
00:26:42.000And you've seen other numbers thrown around, $6 billion, $8 billion.
00:26:46.000But Joe Thompson, he's got access to all the bank records and all the FBI reports.
00:27:05.000It does seem to produce more content than it consumed locally as far as news goes.
00:27:10.000What do you think is the secret sauce of Minnesota where it's like you have this kind of perfect combination of old-fashioned, maybe call it naive liberalism, call it Tim Waltzism, and then also this new immigration-driven dimension of left-wing problems in American life?
00:27:32.000Minnesota was founded by a diverse group of immigrants, a lot of them from Scandinavia, but also German, Irish, other groups.
00:27:41.000But you had in Minnesota until maybe 30, 40 years ago, a fairly homogeneous population of Northern Europeans.
00:27:50.000And again, it's not, I don't think it's racist to point out that in Scandinavia, you can run a Scandinavian style socialist welfare state in a fairly homogeneous nation and be successful with it.
00:28:05.000And Minnesota tried that and succeeded at some level with that approach, the Scandinavian style.
00:28:12.000You can do that in a high trust society.
00:28:14.000But as we've brought in people who don't come from that background, who don't come from high functioning or high trust societies, who don't have the experience with the cradle to grave welfare societies, some individuals in those communities, certainly not most, certainly not all, but some individuals, we're talking a few hundred to maybe a couple of thousand people have found the loopholes in the safety net and have exploited it to make themselves extremely wealthy.
00:28:43.000And more than a few have gone to prison and dozens and dozens have been convicted.
00:28:48.000And I think it's that lethal combination of the Scandinavian style cradle to grave welfare state designed for a homogeneous high trust society being exploited by a society that has evolved and perhaps for the better into a multicultural, multi-ethnic society.
00:29:07.000But those just two fundamental approaches to running a society don't match.
00:29:11.000So this has gotten a ton of attention from the Trump administration.
00:29:16.000They've talked about sending all these IRS agents to review everything.
00:29:18.000Although it seems like the local prosecutor has a lot of this well in hand, though we'd be grateful to find more.
00:29:24.000He has a lot of it well in hand, but I'm sure he would appreciate the additional assistance.
00:29:33.000So what would you recommend if now that it's getting more federal attention?
00:29:38.000Where do you think focus could be most rewarding in terms of making additional fines that could be good for the country to expose?
00:29:46.000Yeah, so it's a target-rich environment.
00:29:49.000And it's gotten to the point where somebody responded to me on Twitter that maybe it's just time to put the state into receivership.
00:29:57.000The federal prosecutor, instead of prosecuting criminals one at a time, the fraud is being conducted at an industrial scale, but the prosecutions by necessity under our constitution happen at a retail scale, one defendant at a time who has the full suite of civil rights and rights in court.
00:30:16.000And they exercise them, which is their right.
00:30:19.000But to prosecute a trial, the first batch of Feeding Our Future, the original scandal, those indictments, the first batch came in September of 2022.
00:30:28.000We didn't have our first trial until 2024.
00:30:32.000And we have trials scheduled into 2026.
00:30:35.000And that's just for the defendants that have been indicted to date.
00:30:40.000And again, it seems like one or two a week, additional indictments come down.
00:30:44.000But it's got to be a holistic approach.
00:30:48.000You know, the fraudsters figured out how to defraud one program in one state agency and applied that same technique to another program in a different state agency.
00:30:57.000The agencies weren't talking to each other.
00:30:59.000I really think we need to have a top-down review of the social welfare programs, maybe consolidate fewer programs, put more investigators on it, put more restrictions on it.
00:31:11.000A little bit of due diligence would have gone a long way in these frauds.
00:31:15.000Have somebody just visited site locations or done some basic background checks.
00:31:21.000Hundreds of millions of dollars could have been prevented from going out the door, but they didn't.
00:31:27.000Minnesota has the system Which I characterize as the honor system.
00:31:34.000So, all of state governments on the honor system.
00:31:36.000If you apply for a benefit or you send the state an invoice, their first instinct is just trust that you're doing it, you know, under penalty of perjury.
00:32:17.000In the early days of my reporting on the Feeding Our Futures scandal, I was contacted by people in other states as far away as Alabama, where they had almost identical scams being perpetrated, but at just a much smaller scale.
00:32:29.000It's interesting that we had the past U.S. attorney, the outgoing U.S. attorney, who was a Biden appointee, he went on local TV and he said Minnesota has a fraud problem, that fraud is occurring everywhere in America.
00:32:45.000This was referring to the COVID-era frauds, but the scale in Minnesota is unique.
00:32:51.000So, yes, I think the fraud is happening anywhere, everywhere, and anywhere, but I don't know if any state on a per capita basis has seen the level of fraud that Minnesota has.
00:33:01.000It really, the thing that stood out to me so much in the New York Times article, which was remarkably frank and honest, finally, about what's going on, it was sort of two things.
00:33:10.000It was the way it was caught immediately or caught pretty quickly, and they just did nothing because they directly feared being called.
00:33:20.000The original fraudsters in that food program were their applications were denied by the State Department of Education.
00:33:26.000They applied, Department of Education said no because they realized from just a review of their applications that they weren't bona fide operators, but there were lawsuits and accusations of racism, and they never had the courage of their convictions.
00:33:41.000And they just let it slip through, figuring it was somebody else's problem.
00:33:44.000And the other thing, which is they were warned about this, and then they said it's their important political block, and they don't want to offend them.
00:33:53.000That listen, there's no way around it when it comes to healthcare.
00:33:58.000People are really frustrated with how much it costs and how to pay for it.
00:34:03.000The usual ways we've been doing this have only gotten more expensive, more complicated, and honestly, just aggravating.
00:34:08.000And that's why MetaShare is such a welcome relief.
00:35:04.000Danny, we were talking in the break about, in addition to all the fraud in Minnesota, there's some very interesting judicial rulings that we've been getting from the state's criminal courts.
00:35:16.000Yeah, so there's this convicted sex offender in Minnesota who served no prison time for previous rapes.
00:35:24.000And so if you guys want to throw it a 252.
00:35:27.000Abdimahat Billy Mohammed, but prosecutors say the 28-year-old uses the names Kareem and Altesto on Snapchat, and that is where investigators say he met his latest victim as well as his two previous ones.
00:35:40.000His profile was already in the database from previous cases involving sexual assaults in Minneapolis in 2017 and another one in 2024.
00:35:49.000A Henneman County judge sentenced Muhammad in May in those cases, including one involving a 15-year-old girl.
00:35:56.000Prosecutors say two other unidentified men took part in that assault and one threatened the victim with a gun.
00:36:04.000But Muhammad never spent a day in prison, as we said, because he got credit for time served while awaiting trial as part of a pair of plea deals.
00:36:12.000So, Bill, this really seems the other side of the coin.
00:36:15.000It's the you allow fraud to happen with practical impunity.
00:36:18.000And even when you have someone dead to rights on most heinous violent crimes, it just seems there's this breezy devil-may care attitude.
00:36:27.000They're released back into the wild to hurt people again.
00:36:33.000The key words in that report that you just aired were Hennepin County.
00:36:37.000Hennepin County is the largest by population county in Minnesota.
00:36:41.000It includes the city of Minneapolis, which got mentioned in the report as well.
00:36:45.000And that crime, if I recall correctly, the most recent one occurred in the city of Bloomington, which is also in Hennepin County, home to the Mall of America.
00:36:53.000Hennepin County's prosecutor, the lead prosecutor, elected official Mary Moriarty, notorious soft on crime.
00:37:01.000And the officials, the judges rather, in Hennepin County are notoriously soft on crime as well.
00:37:08.000So it's entirely the pattern you see time and time again.
00:37:12.000Convicted felons, even violent felons, it's almost impossible to get sent to state prisons, at least on the first or second try.
00:37:20.000The stayed sentences, time served, we heard that in the report, the plea deals.
00:37:26.000They think the idea is prison is the wrong.
00:37:29.000We have an over-incarceration problem, according to Mary Moriarty and a lot of judges.
00:37:34.000They think the solution is never sent somebody for prison.
00:37:37.000I don't know what the solution is in their view, healing circles or alternatives to detention, but it's nearly impossible to actually get prison time, no matter how violent the crime is.
00:37:48.000To the point where we've seen exactly what happened with these white-collar crimes, these fraud crimes.
00:37:53.000It's the federal prosecutors that have stepped in and filled the gap.
00:37:58.000They have literally taken over cases from Hennepin County prosecutors and prosecuted them in federal court with the knowledge there was a much higher likelihood that the offendant, if convicted, would actually serve a prison sentence and serve a full prison sentence at that.
00:38:15.000So especially the gang problem, this didn't sound like a gang problem, but there's a big gang problem in Minneapolis, ethnic gangs.
00:38:22.000You know, the president says they're running amok.
00:38:27.000Andy Luger, the Biden appointee, and then the new Trump appointee have been vigorously prosecuting gang violence, some of the more notorious violent crimes, because Barry Moriarty, the county attorney, and the judges just won't take care of the job.
00:38:43.000I don't really blame the law enforcement folks.