Jack Hibbs, Founder and President of the Real Life Network, Senior Pastor of Calvary Chapel at Chino Hills, Author of Living in the Days of Deception, and Spiritual Mentor of Pastor Jack Hibbs joins us to talk about why Christians should vote for Donald Trump in the 2020 election. Join us as we discuss how Christians should view politics and how they should vote, and what they should do if they don t vote. If you don't vote this election, you are practicing apathy, and in the process you are actually doing more harm than good. Christians need to vote for Trump because he is the only one who can save the country from Kamala Harris and her anti-Israel, anti-choice agenda. God bless you, and God bless the United States! - The Charlie Kirk Show is Sponsored by Noble Gold Investments, a company that specializes in gold and precious metals and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you can protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at NobleGold.investments.com. That is where I buy all of my gold. I buy it in a basket and keep it in my safe place in the vault. I don't own any of my precious gold! Go to NobleGoldInvestments.co/TheCharlieKirkShow to get 20% off your first order of $1,000 or more! Learn how to protect your gold in the future by becoming a Noble Gold Investor at Noblegold.com/The CharlieKirk Show. by becoming an Investor in Noble Gold! That is the official gold sponsor of The Charlie Kirk Show at Noble Gold, Inc., where you get 10% off the price of a piece of gold and I'll get a 20% discount on your first-class membership! and get access to all the best deals on the show, I'll be giving you access to the latest and the best gold you can get in the world's best deals, and you'll get an ad-free version of the show that I'm talking about it all, free of fraternalism, all for a discount, no matter where you go to buy it anywhere else in the entire world, anywhere else I go, anywhere I get it, I'm giving you a chance to get the best deal in the best place I can get it anywhere in the whole place I go anywhere I go? Learn more about the show is a special offer, and more.
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00:01:58.000So, Jack, let's just begin with how should Christians view politics and specifically this election?
00:02:05.000Yeah, number one, right out of the Bible, as a sacred trust.
00:02:09.000Charlie, it's one of those things that Jesus said in a parable, that he gave one man one responsibility, another man a different responsibility, and the third man another one.
00:02:19.000Each of them had their opportunity to advance what was given to them.
00:02:24.000Jesus called them talents, not playing the piano.
00:02:26.000It's opportunity to make a difference.
00:02:29.000And he condemned the one who took the opportunity that they had and buried it under the ground or put it under a basket.
00:02:37.000So for the Christian today to say, I'm going to sit out the vote, is to actually give the vote to, for example, Kamala Harris and her anti-Israel, anti-life, anti-God's design for marriage, anti-border, anti-constitutional belief system, she'll just surrender all of that.
00:02:57.000So the Christian somehow has deluded himself, Charlie, into thinking, if I don't vote, I'm doing good.
00:03:03.000No, in the reality, you are practicing apathy because if I can vote for Trump and block the death of one more child, look, neither one of these candidates can walk on water.
00:03:15.000Christians need to really grow up and understand that only Jesus did that, and he's the only one that can do that.
00:03:20.000We're not voting for a Pope or for a priest or for a Messiah, Charlie.
00:03:26.000And I like to say this, that if Trump were to win, I get J.D. Vance, I get Vivek, I get Tulsi, I get Elon, I get a lot of people, I get RFK, I get a lot of people that's going to do really good for this nation.
00:03:42.000If I sit it out, I take my Christian, Judeo-Christian fundamental...
00:03:49.000Freedom of this nation, this constitutional republic, not a democracy.
00:04:26.000Why is it that pastors, where it's so clear that on one side you have abortion trucks at their national convention, and you have Easter becoming the transgender day of awareness, and You have anti-Israel, anti-Jew hatred, open borders, sex trafficking.
00:04:46.000Why are pastors failing at their task so miserably?
00:04:51.000Charlie, the answer is too long for me to put into this entire program.
00:04:56.000Lack of fear of God, number one thing.
00:04:58.000They're not reading the Bibles for themselves.
00:05:00.000I'm talking to the pastors in America.
00:05:02.000They're not studying and reading the Bibles for themselves.
00:05:05.000So they cannot address the issues that their congregants are dealing with Monday through Friday, or even Saturday in the soccer field.
00:05:11.000The conversations they've not equipped their people to deal with at the water cooler on Monday morning.
00:05:16.000They do sermons, or as Charles Spurgeon says, they preach sermonettes for Christianettes.
00:05:21.000we've got to equip our people for the darkest age that this world and that this nation has ever seen it is the christian pastor that should put away his fear and by the way if his board or his denomination says you can't talk about this stuff it's time to either get fired from that denomination or go start a church down the street but the hour is so late that i believe god has been so merciful that if the christian doesn't get involved uh this
00:05:48.000the result of this election is going to be the church's engagement or not?
00:05:53.000That's going to define the results of this election.
00:05:56.000Jack, I completely agree with that, and I want to just reiterate it, okay?
00:05:59.000Which is that the church is the counselor to the king.
00:06:03.000As the church influences or does not influence, the culture and the nation will go.
00:06:09.000And right now the Church is indifferent towards the suffering of our neighbor, towards the persecution of the believer.
00:06:15.000So I want to ask you about what Christianity Today published yesterday.
00:06:21.000Christianity Today says, quote, In a binary election with choices like these, not voting may be the best way for many Christians to heed their consciences and promptings of the Holy Spirit even to vote biblically.
00:06:36.000Your reaction, Jack Hibbs, to Christianity Today?
00:06:39.000It's my understanding that no spirit-filled, indwelt, Holy Spirit living inside the true believer would say at an hour like this, don't get involved, let babies die.
00:06:51.000Don't get involved, let's keep trafficking kids across the border.
00:07:21.000Jesus said in the last days when he returned, would he even find faith on the earth?
00:07:25.000Apathy seems to be what's being served up in the pulpits today, and tragically, by cowards.
00:07:33.000They have completely shirked their biblical calling to equip and disciple their people to engage in a godless culture.
00:07:42.000Only by the grace and the mercy of God do we still even have a country where we can have this discussion, because we don't deserve liberty anymore.
00:07:48.000We have turned our back as a nation, and only because of God's goodness do we continue to have even a little bit of this freedom.
00:07:56.000So Jack, I want you to talk about an objection that we receive from pastors every so often, where pastors will say, but I can't speak out on politics because of the Johnson Amendment and the Internal Revenue Service.
00:08:09.000So Jack, there is one Sunday before the election.
00:08:11.000This is the last chance for pastors to get it right.
00:08:14.000Right now, they're probably back in their offices, they're preparing their Sunday sermons, but many of them are afraid to speak out because of the IRS. Jack, how should we think about this?
00:08:24.000Yeah, well, number one, if you want some help about your sermon prep on this topic, you can check out my sermon that I just did a couple weeks ago on this.
00:08:41.000IRS? Are you afraid of the IRS? Why are you afraid of the IRS? Does God need the IRS? Does your church need the Johnson Amendment or 501c3?
00:09:03.000Listen, Taylor Swift doesn't hold anything back, but we see pastors holding back.
00:09:07.000back pastors Ezekiel 33 God said through the watchman on the wall if you do not blow the trumpet of warning to the evil that is coming to your people God said I will require their blood from your hand if you do not warn them if you warn them and they do not listen to you then it's on their head but I'm commanding you to warn them Every pastor must, this Sunday, speak out on the biblical answer to apologetics.
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00:12:05.000Days of Deception is the book D-A-Z-E. Now, Jack, we're very focused on battleground states, but I got to give you credit.
00:12:12.000Can you just riff on the energy that you have in California?
00:12:15.000We can't forget our California brethren.
00:12:18.000And so just for you, Jack, I want you to riff a little bit about how all states need to fight for liberty, regardless of the electoral chances or college probabilities.
00:12:27.000Yeah, listen everybody, be encouraged because not only has California been the state that people have justifiably written off forever, but what's been happening, we've been at the bottom for so long and we are so debased here that we've even sent people like Kamala Harris from California to Washington.
00:13:36.000Nancy Pelosi got fired because California sent more congressmen and women to Washington, D.C. than any other state in that 2022 election cycle.
00:13:58.000In closing here, Jack, just for the audience, if they have a quivering or a trembling pastor, these couple days, as their pastors are getting their sermon notes together, how should they approach their pastor?
00:14:10.000Let's say they've gone to a church for 20 years.
00:15:06.000I hate to put it to you this way, but God designed churches to become like their pastors and their pastors should follow Christ.
00:15:13.000You're going to become like your pastor.
00:15:15.000You're going to be tempted to be silent.
00:15:17.000Get out of there quick because, listen, the number one person that is mentioned that inherits hell in Revelation chapter 21 verse 8 is the coward.
00:15:26.000I don't want to hear any excuses from pastors.
00:15:29.000The ship is sinking and they want to talk about, what, lighting and smoke screens?
00:15:34.000No, listen, this is our last moment to preserve this republic.
00:15:38.000And I believe that God has designed it right now, Charlie, to fall on the shoulders of the church.
00:15:43.000You and I know well, the answer is not in the White House or in the State House.
00:15:47.000The answer is going to be in God's house.
00:15:50.000And what will we do with this opportunity, Charlie?
00:15:53.000By the way, Jack, the secular world is looking at the church.
00:15:56.000I want you to comment on this minute remaining.
00:17:29.000So what do you have to say about Christians that are staying at home and not voting because they say Donald Trump is insufficiently Christian for them?
00:17:39.000Well, they're not being Christian enough to understand.
00:17:42.000I was with the president yesterday with about 1,500 faith leaders and pastors, and it was amazing, Charlie, because there we were in a church chanting and crying out, Jesus is Lord, and applauding for Jesus Christ as the only one to whom we give.
00:18:16.000And yet we realize that following Christ means we take his word, we're infused with his spirit, and that enables us to evaluate What's going on in the landscape of American politics?
00:18:27.000It enables us to understand which candidates, which policies, which parties best advance the kingdom of God, best protect Christian truth and values, and then we work like crazy to make sure those candidates win.
00:18:41.000Not because, necessarily, they are living our faith, but because they're going to protect our right to live our faith.
00:18:49.000And that's what the people were about yesterday in that gathering, and that's what I think represents Christian voters around the country and the proper view of a Christian analysis of politics and candidates.
00:19:02.000Why is it so hard for us to be able to convey that to our fellow believers and people that think that Kamala Harris is a better fit for their values?
00:19:12.000You know, Charlie, a lot of the pastors have failed.
00:19:14.000I've been leading this pro-life effort with Priests for Life.
00:19:17.000For 31 years, and we have constantly run into one after another brick wall with pastors who are just, they talk about process.
00:19:27.000If they talk about elections at all, they talk about process, but they never get to substance.
00:19:32.000They never get to pointing out, for example, how the Democrats have a sustained and systematic attack.
00:19:39.000Now, unless the pastors point that out, unless they can show believers the difference between candidates who are following the Word of God and those who are trying to nullify it, the people are going to be lulled into this position, as you're just saying here now, where they're incapable of seeing the difference.
00:19:57.000And this is where, and this was a big theme yesterday too, but it's a big theme of my ministry, is awaken these pastors to...
00:20:06.000Have the freedom and the courage to speak about this.
00:20:08.000So that's one of the reasons the church, I think, in many ways, it's worse than ever before on the part of a lot of these pastors.
00:20:15.000And frankly, it's because a lot of them have Democrat loyalties that are keeping them from speaking up to their congregations as they should.
00:20:23.000Yeah, and Father, it seems as if that the lack of moral clarity from the church is one of the reasons we're in the mess that we are in.
00:20:31.000Catholics, however, I have to say this, Catholics have been far better this election cycle than evangelicals.
00:20:38.000And I have to say this, when it comes to moral clarity, we just had Jack Hibbs on, who's terrific, but locally here in Phoenix...
00:20:45.000The diocese is speaking out against Prop 139 and yet the biggest evangelical church here in Phoenix, CCV, is silent on 139.
00:20:54.000Father, can you educate our audience on these extreme ballot measures across the country and the need to speak out against them and what they would include?
00:21:31.000In 10 states, amendments to the state constitutions are on the ballot right now that would lock those states into the most extreme positions on abortion, that is, no limits, no involvement of parents, no need for a doctor, no regulations whatsoever by any government agency.
00:21:49.000The American people have never bought into any of those positions.
00:21:53.000And even if people wanted to try to get them to support those positions, Why not introduce a bill?
00:21:59.000The reason they're not introducing a bill, but rather trying to amend the Constitution, is that the other side is afraid of the debate.
00:22:06.000Because every time we really have a debate, really look at what abortion is, then these points, again, of consensus emerge.
00:22:14.000So the states we're talking about that our listeners really need to know and be active on, and this is summarized at a special site we've set up, stateballotmeasures.org.
00:22:23.000Are Arizona, as you mentioned, Prop 139, also Colorado, Florida, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, and New York, and South Dakota.
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00:24:18.000Now, we just had an interesting development within the Catholic community.
00:24:21.000Archbishop Vigano, who's been a controversial figure, he used to be the Pope's representative in the United States and has had a falling out with the Pope because he believes that The Pope and others in the church aren't being as strong, especially on these political matters, as they could be.
00:24:38.000And he has actually come out and endorsed President Trump because many in the Catholic community, we see the statistics now that the Catholics are tending towards President Trump in this particular election because they see the difference between policy and principle.
00:24:54.000This, I think, is what's coming through this year more than ever.
00:24:57.000As I go around, I'm sure you've had a similar experience, As I go around and do voter trainings and whatnot, I've never heard more of our fellow citizens say, I've come to the conclusion this is just a battle between good and evil.
00:25:08.000And so we have Catholics sensing the very same thing, principle rather than policy.
00:25:14.000It's not just a question of, you know, How do we best protect the lives of the people in our communities?
00:25:19.000It's come down to a question of whether we should protect them at all.
00:25:25.000But the question becomes whether we believe in freedom in the first place.
00:25:29.000So these differences on the level of principle have caused Catholics to begin to wake up to a certain extent We have, of course, a lot of the swing states where there's a significant Catholic population.
00:25:44.000You see Pennsylvania, for example, Michigan, Wisconsin.
00:25:48.000You've got a lot of Catholics who are having a big influence in these states.
00:25:54.000I see a mixed picture when it comes to the priests.
00:25:59.000They have a lot of material available to them.
00:26:02.000And to the extent that they do preach on that, Some of the documents that the bishops have issued have been very good, but again, some of them are somewhat vague and again, more focused on process than on policy.
00:26:16.000But yes, there's a certain awakening that, you know what, there's a spiritual battle here that we quite haven't felt the same before.
00:26:23.000And I think, Charlie, as we've seen across the population, a lot of this also has to do with how children are being treated.
00:26:29.000It has to do with concerns about education because Catholics are very invested in education.
00:26:34.000Our school system is vast across the country.
00:26:37.000And when we see drag queens and when we see indoctrination in transgender, you know, Catholic parents do wake up about that.
00:26:44.000And I think we're seeing that in some of the polling now.
00:26:47.000So, Father, more and more Catholics are waking up to that, and I'm glad to see it.
00:26:52.000But the radical nature of the Kamala Harris agenda is against some of the core tenets of the Catholic faith, or against the core tenets of what we as Christians believe in.
00:27:04.000And we must speak out and we must be bold.
00:27:06.000Have you been encouraged by a new generation of priests that are starting to be more vocal on these issues?
00:27:13.000The newer priests tend to be more vocal.
00:27:15.000A lot of them found their vocations under the teachings of St.
00:27:21.000John Paul II, whom I was privileged to know and work with.
00:27:24.000I worked at the Vatican for a while under his pontificate, and he really inspired a whole generation of new priests.
00:27:31.000We call them the John Paul II priests.
00:27:36.000I've always pointed out, as we've done clergy education, it's one thing to know the teachings of the church.
00:27:41.000It's a totally different skill set to know how to engage in the battle, a cultural battle, where these principles and teachings are under direct attack.
00:27:50.000We see in the clergy, again, it's very much of a mixed bag, but younger clergy are, you know, a lot of them have grown up praying outside abortion clinics.
00:28:00.000You know, their parents brought them into the battle at a very young age, and so they're then able to translate that into the pulpit.
00:28:08.000And I think just like we see, you know, I see a parallel, Charlie, between the thirst of people in the civic arena for politicians who speak clearly, you know, don't use word salads like Kamala Harris and are able to say, like President Trump, say what they mean and you feel it and they talk the way you talk around your kitchen table.
00:28:30.000They want to see that in the church too.
00:28:32.000They don't want to hear somebody preaching at a pulpit for 15 minutes and then you come away saying, well, I don't know really what they just said.
00:28:39.000And this vagueness, that doesn't help in the church.
00:28:42.000And they don't want to see the cowardice either.
00:28:43.000They want to see courage from the pulpit.
00:28:47.000Not that these younger priests believe any more or less in the teachings, but it's that cowardice.
00:28:52.000Spark of courage that when people see that coming across and the clarity with which they speak that they see coming across, that is really what's making the difference.
00:29:03.000Father, what other issues should we as Christians care about that are not getting the attention or the light right now?
00:29:11.000You know, one of the things that the Trump administration did for us who are believers is enabled us to To realize we can speak our mind, something that the president reaffirmed just yesterday.
00:29:24.000He said, America is better when you religious believers are stronger.
00:29:29.000And one of the things I think that needs a lot of attention is, you know, when he started campaigning, he was wondering why the pastors weren't actually endorsing him.
00:29:43.000And of course, he learned about the Johnson Amendment, which in the tax code says, well, you can't intervene in a political race if you're a nonprofit organization.
00:29:51.000And of course, churches are mostly organized that way.
00:29:56.000And it has a chilling effect on what the pastors can say about voting.
00:29:59.000And he has brought that up ever since.
00:30:02.000He took executive action not to let churches be discriminated against through that rubric.
00:30:07.000And then he has said again just yesterday...
00:30:10.000He said, we're going to get rid of that Johnson Amendment entirely.
00:30:12.000We need the Congress to just excise it out of the tax code.
00:30:15.000This is significant because I'm sure a lot of our listeners right now, who, like you said, are working like crazy to get out the vote, are frustrated when their churches aren't speaking up enough about it.
00:30:25.000And it's like, here's one of the reasons, and he's actually making it a campaign issue, that we will increase the freedom of that pulpit.
00:30:34.000We will increase the sound of the voices of the clergy and by extension, all of us as believers.
00:30:41.000And then, of course, you know, it's a Christian position as far as how much freedom do we have from government oppression?
00:30:52.000You know, think of small businesses, for example, so many Christian families and what President Trump does and has done and will continue to do to slash regulations.
00:31:01.000I mean, that becomes an issue for believers.
00:31:31.000But all these other government intrusion issues, regulation issues, these are all just as connected with faith too.
00:31:38.000And I think the pastors need a little bit more education in this.
00:31:41.000And all of us need to, as we talk to our fellow citizens, say, hey, those are issues that faith has something to say about as well.
00:31:49.000In closing here, Father, if the church stays at home and doesn't vote or hands the White House to Kamala Harris, what would that mean for the values that we cherish and for the American church?
00:32:01.000It means that more and more churches would close.
00:32:05.000It means that we would face—hey, Charlie, I myself faced and my ministry faced the Obama-Biden— Mandate that we had to include some forms of abortion and health insurance.
00:32:16.000We fought it all the way up to the Supreme Court.
00:33:03.000That's part of grabbing power for themselves.
00:33:07.000Destroy that relationship between parents and children, and parents are going to be put in impossible situations where all of a sudden the school or other government-backed authorities are taking away their children from them in more ways than one, and they're going to say, how in the world did this happen?
00:33:22.000And when we ask, how in the world did this happen?
00:33:24.000It's going to trace back to, oh, I didn't realize what my vote could have prevented in 2024.
00:33:31.000Look, I say this as an evangelical, on-fire, spirit-believing Christian who loves Catholics.
00:33:36.000The Catholics are putting us to shame as evangelicals right now.
00:33:39.000And I say this, I mean, go Catholics, go.