The Charlie Kirk Show - The Christian Foundation of Our Nation’s Founding LIVE from Dream City Church

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00:00:43.000 Bill Federer is here, the foremost expert on American history and the Christian biblical basis of such a country.

00:00:51.000 He's amazing guy.

00:00:53.000 This was a Turning Point USA speech at Dream City Christian Church.

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00:01:12.000 Here we go.

00:01:13.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:15.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:01:17.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:01:20.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:24.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:25.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:26.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:01:28.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:34.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:43.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:46.000 Hello, everybody.

00:01:51.000 Thank you.

00:01:53.000 Thank you.

00:01:53.000 Who stayed up late with us last night?

00:01:56.000 That is awesome.

00:01:58.000 Wow.

00:01:58.000 For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, boy, do we live in a third world country or what?

00:02:06.000 I mean, what was that all about?

00:02:09.000 So we'll talk a little bit about that, but tonight's not about politics.

00:02:14.000 It's about something even bigger than that.

00:02:16.000 It's about liberty.

00:02:16.000 It's about God.

00:02:18.000 But it was definitely, let's just say, frustrating to say the least to have to wait till 1230 to find out we don't know anything.

00:02:27.000 So it's unbelievable.

00:02:30.000 I will say, though, remarkably, the predictions we made all came true.

00:02:35.000 And so praise God for that.

00:02:40.000 So we'll talk about a little bit of that in Q ⁇ A. Here's what we do know is that people showed up, that people are motivated, they're engaged, citizens rised up in a very remarkable way.

00:02:52.000 And I'll just kind of say one other note on this is that no one could really figure out why the turnout numbers weren't what they were supposed to be.

00:03:01.000 And there was kind of this missing piece of the puzzle, which was that yesterday, 125,000 people in Maricopa County decided to take their mail-in ballot and drive it to a processing center and say, I want you to make sure this ballot is counted correctly.

00:03:24.000 Of which the media thought that number would be 10,000, and it was 125,000.

00:03:31.000 And so pretty amazing.

00:03:33.000 And actually, you know, they say 7 p.m., so we should know around March who won.

00:03:41.000 So hopefully sometime in the next week.

00:03:44.000 I want to thank you guys.

00:03:45.000 If you're your first Freedom Night, thank you.

00:03:47.000 This is your first exposure.

00:03:49.000 Thank you for coming to Stream City Church.

00:03:51.000 This church gets it.

00:03:53.000 They are doing exactly what a church needs to do in modern America, from taking biblical stands to helping the poor and the needy.

00:04:03.000 What Angel is doing all the way up with helping the victims of sex trafficking up in the border of Arizona and Utah is incredible, all the way through, including an amazing partnership, collaboration, I should say, between Turning Point USA and Turning Point Academy and Dream City Christian, which is super exciting, and a non-woke, biblically based K-12 school that, yes, 0.85

00:04:32.000 you and your kids or your grandkids can enroll in at any time.

00:04:35.000 And we're going to have some phenomenal updates coming throughout the next couple weeks for that.

00:04:40.000 Super excited about that.

00:04:42.000 So, before I invite our guests here, I want to just talk about this theme that we've built out many times here at Freedom Night in America, which is our children are off limits.

00:04:53.000 You know, people sometimes say, Charlie, what is it that motivates your politics?

00:04:58.000 And it really is that the people that can't defend themselves need to be defended by adults and people that have power and that have strength.

00:05:08.000 It is one of the things I think that motivates all of us, and that is not a political principle, it's a moral principle.

00:05:15.000 And absent biblical truth, who's to say that you should protect young people? 0.90

00:05:20.000 It's just your opinion.

00:05:21.000 It's just a matter of who has power and who does not.

00:05:25.000 This was best depicted by a very interesting story I lived through over the last couple weeks.

00:05:30.000 And we have a couple of videos to show you about this.

00:05:32.000 You probably saw it, but there's a very important moral lesson at the core of this.

00:05:37.000 So, in Tampa, Florida, we had our second largest event ever at Turning Point USA.

00:05:42.000 We had, thank you, 5,000 young students from across America in Tampa, Florida.

00:05:50.000 We had amazing speakers.

00:05:52.000 It was remarkable.

00:05:53.000 In fact, a remarkable amount of young people gave their life to the Lord on the Sunday night worship service.

00:06:00.000 It was just this incredible thing.

00:06:02.000 And so the event was just mind-blowing.

00:06:07.000 And at one point during the event, we had about 100 left-wing protesters come by, kind of saw that before, whatever.

00:06:14.000 And then they disappeared.

00:06:16.000 And then out of nowhere, five people with masks come out with these neo-Nazi flags.

00:06:23.000 It's like, that's super bizarre.

00:06:24.000 Never seen anything like that.

00:06:26.000 I was immediately kind of taken back.

00:06:28.000 I told our security, can we get them off the property?

00:06:31.000 They were in public property.

00:06:32.000 Again, you look at the pictures, the flags looked as if they just came out of a container, as if they were new to Nazism or whatever.

00:06:40.000 And I said to her, I said, this is disgusting.

00:06:43.000 It's repulsive.

00:06:44.000 There shouldn't be a lot in decent society.

00:06:45.000 Get them off the side of the sidewalk.

00:06:47.000 Some of our students, as if we teach this at Turning Point USA, went and confronted them directly and said, get off here.

00:06:54.000 You're terrible.

00:06:55.000 And it was very obvious there was something suspicious about it. 0.98

00:06:58.000 Anyway, we condemned it.

00:06:59.000 We repudiated it.

00:07:00.000 The story just kind of ended there, right?

00:07:02.000 Or so we thought.

00:07:03.000 So the amazing event, 5,000 students, the media focused a little bit on it, but it was clear that we condemned everything that happened there.

00:07:12.000 And it must have been a very slow news week over at ABC News, where Joy Behar, and if we could get the Joy Behar clip queued up, we don't boo here, we pray for them, right?

00:07:26.000 We pray for Joy Behar.

00:07:29.000 So we turn our boos to prayers.

00:07:33.000 We watch this clip.

00:07:34.000 So Joy Behar just decided to unleash 5,000 students at a student action summit.

00:07:41.000 This is a story in multiple parts, of which has been one of the more just hilarious things I've ever lived through.

00:07:47.000 But there's a very important moral lesson here.

00:07:49.000 Okay, enjoy this clip of Joy Behar talking about our event.

00:07:53.000 I mean, there was this turn, what do you call it, this turning point conference with all the smoke?

00:07:57.000 Smoking something down there?

00:07:57.000 What are they?

00:07:59.000 Or it's like, whatever.

00:08:01.000 Anyway, they were out there.

00:08:04.000 Neo-Nazis were in the front of turn out there in front of the conference with anti-Semitic slurs and the Nazi swastika, just like Goebbels did in the Hitler end during the Third Reich.

00:08:20.000 It's the same thing, right out of that same playbook.

00:08:23.000 Okay, so she says that.

00:08:25.000 And so then Whoopi, the equally impressive co-host, decides to chime in and says the following.

00:08:35.000 Let's watch.

00:08:37.000 The conservative group, Turning Point USA, has condemned the group of neo-Nazis and said they have nothing to do with the organization.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, but where was DeSantis?

00:08:46.000 That's where I want to go.

00:08:47.000 But you let them in.

00:08:49.000 You let them in and you knew what they were.

00:08:51.000 So you are complicit.

00:08:54.000 So that's a total fabrication.

00:08:55.000 It's a lie, right?

00:08:57.000 So Whoopi Goldberg says, you let them in, you are complicit.

00:09:01.000 So then a news break happened, a commercial break, and we come out after the break, and Whoopi Goldberg has to issue a correction.

00:09:07.000 Now, instead of just reading the teleprompter, she decides to just make up more stuff.

00:09:13.000 Here's Whoopi Goldberg.

00:09:15.000 I want to make a quick clarification about the neo-Nazis at the turning point event.

00:09:20.000 They were outside protesters.

00:09:23.000 My point was more metaphorical.

00:09:25.000 You embrace them at your thing, I felt.

00:09:28.000 So they were not in the building.

00:09:31.000 No, but you know what?

00:09:32.000 You know what?

00:09:33.000 If the so-called Antifa, who are anti-fascist, that's what Antifa stands for, would go there and protest, then Antifa would get a bad reputation.

00:09:42.000 That's why when I hear that Antifa is right, but that's not, but let me just make sure that everybody, because you know, misunderstanding what people say is very big.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, I know, yeah.

00:09:52.000 So we want to make sure you, I know they were not in the building, but they were in the mix of people at the thing.

00:10:02.000 No, they weren't, okay?

00:10:03.000 It's not even close to being true.

00:10:05.000 So then, look, then you have, you're at a crossroads, right?

00:10:08.000 And so we're starting to get emails from our students from across the country that are all of a sudden getting messages from teachers, getting messages from potential internships saying that, are you associated with these neo-Nazis?

00:10:19.000 Immediately, our kids start to come.

00:10:21.000 This is the power that these people have.

00:10:23.000 And so what we did at Turning Point USA is we immediately sent a cease and desist letter to ABC News and effectively saying this is not acceptable.

00:10:36.000 This is not going to happen, threatening a lawsuit against the view.

00:10:40.000 And again, it's not about me.

00:10:42.000 This is about our children and about the reputation of our young people.

00:10:46.000 And so then, again, it continues.

00:10:49.000 ABC News had this to say the next day.

00:10:53.000 So on Monday, we talked about the fact that there were openly neo-Nazi demonstrators outside the Florida Student Action Summit of the Turning Point USA group.

00:11:00.000 We want to make clear that these demonstrators were gathered outside the event and that they were not invited or endorsed by Turning Point USA.

00:11:08.000 A Turning Point USA spokesman said the group, quote, 100% condemns those ideologies and said Turning Point USA security tried to remove the neo-Nazis from the area but could not because they were on public property.

00:11:20.000 Also, Turning Point USA wanted to clarify, wanted us to clarify that this was a Turning Point USA summit and not a Republican Party event.

00:11:29.000 So we apologize for anything we said that may have been unclear on these points.

00:11:33.000 They still invited Matt Gates, though, I would just like to know.

00:11:36.000 As if that has something.

00:11:37.000 Oh, it keeps going.

00:11:38.000 No, it keeps going.

00:11:39.000 So, again, forced apology whole thing.

00:11:42.000 We appreciate the gesture.

00:11:43.000 Obviously, under the threat of a lawsuit, people will say anything.

00:11:45.000 So then the next day, they decide to keep the story alive.

00:11:48.000 It's like 15 days to slow the spread.

00:11:50.000 It just keeps on going under another threat of a lawsuit because we said, hold on a second, that was not cleared up at all by the actual, the person who smeared our students, Whoopi Goldberg, I think, got a nice talking to by a $2,000 an hour lawyer in New York and said, Whoopi, can you just please read the teleprompter and end this? 0.81

00:12:13.000 So here I give you the most pathetic apology I've ever seen in my life. 0.84

00:12:18.000 Welcome back. 0.96

00:12:19.000 You know, in Monday's conversation about Turning Point USA, I put the young people at the conference in the same category as the protesters outside.

00:12:29.000 And I don't like it when people make assumptions about me.

00:12:32.000 And it's not any better when I make assumptions about other people, which I did.

00:12:37.000 So my bad.

00:12:38.000 I'm sorry.

00:12:39.000 Okay.

00:12:40.000 So.

00:12:41.000 My bad.

00:12:42.000 Okay.

00:12:42.000 So look, we appreciate the gesture, but what is the takeaway?

00:12:45.000 The takeaway is this: none of those scripted apologies would have happened if we would not have taken a stand for our young people.

00:12:53.000 It is that simple.

00:12:57.000 Their reputations matter.

00:12:58.000 And we were getting messages from 16 and 17 year olds who said, Charlie, you know, we don't know how to do it.

00:13:03.000 We're getting smeared in our local community.

00:13:05.000 We did everything right.

00:13:07.000 And that goes to show the power of the media.

00:13:10.000 That these people, they have no shame at all whatsoever to do that.

00:13:14.000 So just kind of a fun, interesting chapter there.

00:13:16.000 One other thing I want to mention here tonight, as you guys know, Freedom Night in America here is kind of a launching off point of so many exciting things that are happening across the country thanks to Dream City.

00:13:26.000 We have our second hiring class here for TPUSA Faith.

00:13:30.000 Stand up, guys.

00:13:31.000 They're doing so.

00:13:32.000 Please stand up.

00:13:32.000 They're going to be working with pastors and churches all across the country and doing such an amazing job.

00:13:40.000 Thank you guys.

00:13:41.000 God bless you.

00:13:42.000 Where we're going to be bringing this model to churches in every corner of America.

00:13:46.000 It's just, it's just awesome.

00:13:48.000 Okay, our guest tonight is just incredible.

00:13:51.000 I've known Bill for quite some time.

00:13:53.000 I believe Bill is the premier historian from a biblical standpoint in America.

00:13:59.000 He has written well over 25 books from a Christian biblical standpoint talking about American history and world history.

00:14:07.000 I once shared a car ride with Bill for two hours, and I only stumped him on one question, and I must have asked him well over 400 of them.

00:14:15.000 And he also connects what is happening in history to today with timeless biblical principles.

00:14:21.000 Please join me in welcoming the amazing Bill Federer.

00:14:25.000 Thank you.

00:14:28.000 First of all, I want to let you know what an honor it is to be here with Luke and Angel and Pastor Tommy Barnett.

00:14:34.000 God bless you and the tremendous work that you have here at Dream City.

00:14:40.000 So, Bill, I've been following you for years.

00:14:42.000 We've shared so much time together.

00:14:44.000 You have the ability to be able to analyze the arc of history and then be able to apply it to today.

00:14:50.000 I've asked you this question before in our podcast, but I think it's really important for our audience to hear this.

00:14:55.000 What makes America different and exceptional from a biblical standpoint and a historical standpoint?

00:15:02.000 Is America like every other nation that's been on the face of the earth?

00:15:05.000 And if not, why?

00:15:07.000 In answering that, I decided I would research every century of recorded human history to see what the most common form of government was.

00:15:17.000 So I went back to Sumerian cuneiform on clay tablets and the Elamites and the Persians and the Greeks and Romans. 0.84

00:15:23.000 And the most common form of government in world history is kings.

00:15:28.000 Hands down, it's kings.

00:15:30.000 Nimrod, Tower, Babel, Pharaoh, Caesars. 0.60

00:15:33.000 Power wants to concentrate into the hands of one person.

00:15:36.000 It's no different than you put some kids on a playground and one's the bully.

00:15:40.000 You put some junior high girls in the clique and one of them is the diva. 1.00

00:15:44.000 You put some people in the woods, one of them is an Indian chief. 0.99

00:15:46.000 You put them in an inner city, one of them is a gang leader.

00:15:49.000 And all a king is, is a glorified gang leader.

00:15:52.000 And it's a hierarchical system.

00:15:54.000 If you are friends with the king, you are more equal.

00:15:57.000 If you are not friends with the king, you are less equal.

00:16:00.000 And if you're an enemy of the king, you're a slave or you're dead.

00:16:05.000 Well, I thought slavery started in 1619.

00:16:07.000 No, wherever you had the first king on top, you had slaves on the bottom.

00:16:11.000 And this model continued with technological advancements.

00:16:18.000 Kings could kill more people, right?

00:16:20.000 So instead of Cain killing Abel with a stone, they're killing with a bronze weapon or an iron weapon or a failing spear, a scimitar, sword, gunpowder.

00:16:26.000 The weapon improves, but it's that same fallen nature.

00:16:28.000 Cain killing Abel.

00:16:30.000 And also with technological advancements, kings could track more people.

00:16:37.000 Do you know Augustus Caesar wanted to have a worldwide tracking system?

00:16:42.000 It was called the census.

00:16:44.000 That was like modern technology, 25 BC, right?

00:16:47.000 He wanted to count.

00:16:48.000 If he could have had 5G and cell phones and cameras, he would have tracked them that way.

00:16:52.000 But as the centuries go on, the king of England had the biggest empire that planet Earth had ever seen.

00:16:59.000 13 billion square miles, half a billion people.

00:17:02.000 Anyway, the sun never set on the British Empire.

00:17:06.000 The king of England was a globalist.

00:17:08.000 He was a one-world government guy with him at the top.

00:17:10.000 And America's founders decided they didn't like this one world government guy telling us what to do.

00:17:14.000 We broke away and flipped it and made the people the king.

00:17:19.000 So the word citizen is Greek.

00:17:20.000 It means co-king. 0.99

00:17:23.000 And where did the founders get these ideas?

00:17:25.000 From the New England pastors.

00:17:26.000 Where did they get their ideas?

00:17:27.000 From the Bible, what part of the Bible that first 400 years out of Egypt before King Saul.

00:17:33.000 So it stands out as an anomaly in world history.

00:17:37.000 Around, you know, 1400 BC or so, you have several million Israelites come out of Egypt, and for 400 years, they do not have a king.

00:17:48.000 And it worked because every citizen was taught the law, and every one of them was personally accountable to God to follow the law.

00:17:57.000 So you have an opportunity to steal.

00:17:59.000 Nobody's around.

00:17:59.000 Then you think, God's watching me.

00:18:01.000 He wants me to be fair.

00:18:02.000 He's going to hold me accountable in the future.

00:18:04.000 Maybe I should hesitate stealing.

00:18:07.000 And it creates something in your head called the conscience.

00:18:10.000 If everybody in the country believes this, you can maintain complete order with no police.

00:18:16.000 And that's, I use a little analogy.

00:18:18.000 We all have cell phones and you have GPS, tells you where to turn.

00:18:23.000 Imagine if there was a behavioral app that could tell you how to act in real time, right?

00:18:30.000 It monitors your blood pressure in the volume of your voice, and it sees you're about to lose your temper, and it says, alert, don't lose your temper.

00:18:37.000 And then it monitors your bank account, sees it's a little low, and it sees you're an expensive store, and then there's nobody.

00:18:42.000 It already exists, Bill.

00:18:43.000 I don't know.

00:18:46.000 And there's nobody in the vicinity, and it runs this algorithm, you're being tempted to steal.

00:18:50.000 It says, alert, alert, don't steal.

00:18:51.000 And so the law was like a behavioral app, and the Levite priests were the computer geeks that help you to download the app, right?

00:19:00.000 Line upon line, priests would go and press here at Google Store, Apple Play, whatever.

00:19:04.000 But then the big question is, why would you follow it?

00:19:06.000 What would motivate you to follow an internal moral?

00:19:11.000 Ancient Israel had the key ingredient.

00:19:14.000 There is a God who is watching everyone.

00:19:16.000 He wants you to be fair, and he's going to hold you accountable in the future, right?

00:19:21.000 And so this is what America's founders, New England pastors, looked to as the model.

00:19:25.000 That's why they taught Hebrew at Yale and Harvard.

00:19:28.000 And so we let, we took the power of the king, we separated it into the hands of the people.

00:19:32.000 It would be chaos unless each person is taught the law.

00:19:35.000 What motivates them to follow the law is they're accountable to God.

00:19:39.000 This is what makes America unique from the rest of the world.

00:19:43.000 Now in Israel's case, I'm sort of rambling.

00:19:47.000 Is this okay?

00:19:48.000 No, I think people are taking notes.

00:19:55.000 So in Israel's case, the priests stopped teaching the law.

00:19:59.000 Eli, the high priest, his own sons, are sleeping with women in the very tent where the Ark of the Covenant is.

00:20:05.000 There's another Levite with a silver graven image in the house of a guy named Micah.

00:20:10.000 The tribe of Dan comes along, steals the graven image, tells this Levite, hey, you can be a priest to our whole tribe.

00:20:14.000 And you're reading the story, scratching your head, saying, what is this Levite doing with a graven image?

00:20:20.000 Isn't that one of the commandments?

00:20:21.000 You're not supposed to have them?

00:20:22.000 And then there's the terrible story of a Levite with a concubine. 0.60

00:20:26.000 And the law says the Levites to marry a virgin of his own tribe. 0.77

00:20:30.000 Here he is with the woman he's not even married to, so he's not following the law.

00:20:33.000 And the house they're traveling is surrounded by sodomites.

00:20:37.000 Something about that behavior, this abandonment to passion, this casting off of self-restraint. 1.00

00:20:44.000 They bang on the door, rape the poor girl to death. 0.97

00:20:46.000 And by the time you're grossed out, you read this line, every man did that which was right in their own eyes. 0.98

00:20:51.000 Because the priest stopped teaching them what was right in the Lord's eyes.

00:20:51.000 Why?

00:20:54.000 And that sounds a lot like where we're heading to today.

00:20:56.000 And so, Bill, some people will say that there is nothing exceptional about America and that America is not a Christian nation.

00:21:05.000 Tell us why that is historically incorrect. 0.54

00:21:08.000 So Muslims invading Europe. 1.00

00:21:11.000 The Catholic king of Spain tries to stop them, can't. 0.99

00:21:14.000 Then Martin Luther starts the Reformation.

00:21:17.000 The King of Spain tries to stop that and he can't.

00:21:19.000 And he finally makes a deal with the Protestants. 0.78

00:21:22.000 And it's called a Peace of Augsburg of 1555.

00:21:26.000 I took German in college.

00:21:27.000 And you know how to say 1555 in German?

00:21:30.000 Funstals and Fulfunnen, Fulfund, Fumsik.

00:21:33.000 I think it sounds funny.

00:21:36.000 Anyway, 1555, Peace of Augsburg.

00:21:39.000 It let every king decide what's going to be believed in his kingdom.

00:21:43.000 And so suddenly, Europe, you have England being Anglican, Scotland being Presbyterian, Holland being Dutch Reform, Greece being Greece Orthodox, Germany being Lutheran, Switzerland Calvinist, and Italy, Spain, France, etc., Catholic.

00:21:55.000 And if you didn't believe the way your king did, you fled.

00:21:58.000 And those were the people that spilled over and founded colonies in America.

00:22:02.000 So I read through every charter of every colony.

00:22:06.000 England, you had the Anglicans founded Virginia.

00:22:11.000 Puritans founded Massachusetts.

00:22:14.000 Congregationalists founded Connecticut and New Hampshire.

00:22:18.000 Baptists founded Rhode Island.

00:22:21.000 Dutch Reform founded New York.

00:22:25.000 And the Swedish Lutherans founded Delaware and New Jersey.

00:22:28.000 And Catholics founded Maryland. 0.75

00:22:30.000 And then the Quakers founded Pennsylvania.

00:22:33.000 So just like Europe, there was a different denomination per country.

00:22:37.000 In America, it was more or less a different denomination per colony.

00:22:39.000 And they didn't get along.

00:22:41.000 And they would tar and feather each other.

00:22:44.000 And then they had to join together to fight the king of England, very similar to the Peace of Augsburg, where the Catholics and the Protestants had to fight together against these invading Muslims. 0.94

00:22:54.000 And so after the Revolutionary War, the attitude changed to, we may not always agree on religion, but you are willing to fight and die for my freedom.

00:23:05.000 I need to let you practice your faith.

00:23:07.000 So they began to tolerate each other, and then eventually it turned into us tolerating other people of other faiths.

00:23:12.000 But it was Christians that founded the country. 0.65

00:23:16.000 And then I read through every state constitution and every amendment and revision to every state constitution.

00:23:23.000 I have trouble sleeping, I guess you can tell.

00:23:26.000 And did you know nine of the original states of the 13, nine of them in their state constitution required all office holders to be Protestant Christians?

00:23:38.000 Did you know three states were more liberal and all you had to do was be a plain Christian? 0.84

00:23:45.000 Right?

00:23:46.000 Like Delaware, every office holder had to believe in God the Father, Jesus Christ, his only Son, the Holy Ghost, one, God bless forevermore.

00:23:52.000 You said that was that was plain.

00:23:53.000 That was, yeah, that's pretty liberal because you could be a Catholic or a Protestant and say, yeah, I believe in Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost.

00:23:59.000 Whereas in North Carolina, you had to be a Protestant Christian up until 1835.

00:24:04.000 And one state had zero religious requirements to hold state office.

00:24:10.000 Rhode Island, founded by Baptists.

00:24:12.000 And they said that if you required someone to be a Christian, they could say they were just to get elected, and that would be hypocritical.

00:24:19.000 So just vote for the best Christian person. 0.98

00:24:21.000 You know, we're just not going to put it in the Constitution.

00:24:23.000 So that was the founding.

00:24:25.000 It was those states that sent representatives to write our U.S. Constitution.

00:24:31.000 It makes no sense to think they would outlaw themselves.

00:24:34.000 So, Bill, some people will say that's all fine and well, but what we need is separation of church and state.

00:24:40.000 And I got in a debate with a professor from Wheaton College in Massachusetts where she said that's in the Constitution.

00:24:46.000 Where do we get such an idea as separation of church and state?

00:24:51.000 It is interesting where the etymology of that comes from.

00:24:55.000 So the first century of America, you had Calvinist denominations founding colonies.

00:25:02.000 And the basic Calvinist thought is that God has a plan for your life, your marriage, your family, your church, your government.

00:25:12.000 Dig in the scriptures, find out what God's plan is, put it into place.

00:25:16.000 Pretty simple.

00:25:18.000 But in the early 1700s, you had Lutheran pietists come to America.

00:25:25.000 Now, why are they different?

00:25:27.000 1517, Martin Luther starts the Reformation.

00:25:30.000 And he stands at the Council of Diet of Worms.

00:25:34.000 I don't know.

00:25:35.000 Why would they name something the Diet of Worms?

00:25:37.000 But it was a court hearing.

00:25:39.000 And Martin Luther says, unless you can prove me wrong from the scriptures, here I stand, so help me, God.

00:25:47.000 It was a very personal revelation to Martin Luther.

00:25:53.000 But some German princes wanted to break away from Rome.

00:25:55.000 And they said, this is our chance.

00:25:57.000 Kingdom of mine, guess what?

00:25:59.000 You're all not Lutheran. 0.80

00:26:00.000 And so the people in these kingdoms said, okay, King, we're Lutheran.

00:26:03.000 What do we believe?

00:26:05.000 So for the people in the kingdoms, it's not the same personal revelation that Martin Luther had.

00:26:10.000 It's just a new state doctrine, a little more scriptural based, but it's just another state doctrine.

00:26:14.000 And so a revival movement starts called Pietism that said, being a Christian is more than state doctrine.

00:26:20.000 You have to have an experience with Jesus.

00:26:22.000 And when you do, your life will change.

00:26:25.000 And you won't do the worldly things you used to do, like go to bars and brothels and lewd theater and get involved in government.

00:26:33.000 Wait.

00:26:35.000 What was that last thing?

00:26:36.000 Yeah, government's filled full of worldly people. 0.96

00:26:38.000 And so if you're really Christian and you're really spiritual, you won't get involved in government. 0.97

00:26:43.000 There were actually German princes that would donate money to the pietists so they would teach their followers not to get involved in the prince's business.

00:26:54.000 Could you imagine wealthy people giving money to woke denominations so they would teach their people not to get involved in politics? 0.97

00:27:02.000 I could name a few churches.

00:27:06.000 So in the early 1700s, these German pietists come to America and they're teaching don't get involved. 0.98

00:27:12.000 The ultimate of them is the Amish that said, oh, we're not even going to vote. 0.86

00:27:16.000 Oh, it's all dirty. 0.88

00:27:17.000 Don't get involved.

00:27:19.000 And it comes to an interesting head when the founder of the Lutheran church in America, a pietist pastor, Henry Muhlenberg, has two sons who are pietist pastors.

00:27:31.000 Frederick Augustus is pastoring in New York.

00:27:34.000 John Peters pastoring in Virginia.

00:27:36.000 And John Peter Muhlenberg hears Patrick Henry's Give Me Liberty, Give Me Death Speech.

00:27:42.000 And he goes to Washington and says, I want to help.

00:27:45.000 And George Washington said, I am going to make you a colonel.

00:27:48.000 Go get your men.

00:27:50.000 So he goes to his church and he preaches ecclesiastes, a time for all things, time to gather stone, time to scatter, and a time to preach and a time to fight.

00:27:59.000 Takes off his clerical robe.

00:28:01.000 Underneath, he has a uniform.

00:28:03.000 He has an altar call.

00:28:04.000 300 men of his church and the little churches he pastored kiss their wives goodbye.

00:28:08.000 They ride off to become the 8th Virginia Regiment.

00:28:11.000 He gets promoted to general, gets elected to Congress, and he's in the very first U.S. Congress.

00:28:16.000 Well, when this is going on, his brother, Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg, is writing him letters saying, You are getting involved in things which, as a preacher, you have nothing whatsoever to do.

00:28:30.000 John Peter writes back and accuses his brother of being a Tory British sympathizer.

00:28:35.000 His brother writes back and says, Well, I just can't serve two masters.

00:28:39.000 And then the British invade New York, burn Frederick's church.

00:28:44.000 He decides maybe we do need to get involved.

00:28:47.000 He gets involved in the revolution.

00:28:50.000 He gets elected to U.S. Congress.

00:28:51.000 He gets elected the first Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives.

00:28:55.000 The first speaker, Nancy Pelosi now, but back then the first speaker was Lutheran pastor Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg with his brother John Peter.

00:29:05.000 And what did they pass?

00:29:06.000 The First Amendment.

00:29:11.000 Does anybody think that they would pass an amendment to outlaw themselves?

00:29:16.000 Pastors shouldn't get involved in politics, even though we are pastors and we did get involved.

00:29:20.000 No, the First Amendment, as well as the First Ten Amendments, were handcuffs placed by the states on the federal government.

00:29:28.000 Right?

00:29:29.000 Congress shall make no law.

00:29:31.000 Who's limited?

00:29:31.000 Congress.

00:29:32.000 Congress shall make no law respecting.

00:29:34.000 Respecting means concerning, neither for nor against.

00:29:36.000 Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

00:29:39.000 What was the establishment of religion?

00:29:41.000 Well, it's what they had in Virginia.

00:29:42.000 It's what they had in Germany.

00:29:43.000 Three things, mandatory membership.

00:29:46.000 Everybody in Virginia had to pay taxes to the government, and the government paid the pastors.

00:29:50.000 You think that's strange?

00:29:52.000 That's still what they do in Germany today.

00:29:55.000 My daughter worked in Berlin for 10 years.

00:29:58.000 They write on the little W-2 what church you go to, the government withholds the money and pays the pastors.

00:30:02.000 So this way the pastor doesn't have to get their hands dirty taking up offerings.

00:30:06.000 Well, how's that done for them?

00:30:08.000 Well, all the young people realize they can give themselves a 10% raise by not checking the church box.

00:30:14.000 And so you have these empty cathedrals in Europe and all these kids identifying as atheists, and now Muslims are coming in and buying up the churches and so forth. 0.97

00:30:22.000 But anyway, establishment, mandatory membership, mandatory taxes, and you could not hold public office in Virginia unless you took the oath of supremacy, acknowledging the king as the head of the church.

00:30:33.000 They understood what establishment meant.

00:30:36.000 And so who did they limit?

00:30:37.000 Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

00:30:41.000 Why?

00:30:41.000 Because many of the states did.

00:30:44.000 Massachusetts and Connecticut had established the congregational denomination up until 1833 in Massachusetts.

00:30:50.000 And so the first 10 amendments were handcuffs on the federal government, leaving the states to do whatever they wanted.

00:30:59.000 That's no notes, by the way.

00:31:00.000 Have you ever seen anything like that?

00:31:06.000 And it's any topic, by the way.

00:31:08.000 I'm like, hey, how's your Persian history, Bill?

00:31:10.000 He's like, funny, you asked.

00:31:15.000 So, Bill, there is this building movement, 1619 project.

00:31:21.000 There's nothing exceptional about 1776.

00:31:24.000 You say America stands upon history as being an exceptional nation.

00:31:29.000 Let me ask you a question for our Christian audience.

00:31:31.000 Why should Christians care? 1.00

00:31:33.000 What is the biblical reason we should care about America?

00:31:36.000 Some Christians say, I just care about the gospel.

00:31:38.000 I don't care about government or politics.

00:31:40.000 Why is that misguided?

00:31:43.000 Well, two things.

00:31:44.000 If I were to sum America up in one word, it's individual.

00:31:47.000 Every other form of government, every other country, your worth is dependent on your relationship to a group.

00:31:53.000 It's called the honor-shame culture.

00:31:55.000 If the group honors you, your worth as a person goes up.

00:31:59.000 If the group shames you, your worth goes down. 0.79

00:32:02.000 In Islam, if your daughter embarrasses you in front of your ummah community, parents will even murder their own daughter, right? 0.99

00:32:08.000 It's all group.

00:32:09.000 Well, Jesus calls us out of the group.

00:32:12.000 He says, you got to not care what people think about you.

00:32:15.000 And anyway, you only have to care what God says about you.

00:32:19.000 And I believe he's pushing us to that point.

00:32:22.000 Are you living your life on how you're liked and followed and friended and trending?

00:32:28.000 Or are you afraid of people canceling you and blocking you and getting rid of you, deplatforming you?

00:32:35.000 It's group versus God. 0.92

00:32:38.000 I love the one where Sam Koonrod, it's a giant baseball pitcher, was the only one not to kneel in protest to the flag.

00:32:45.000 And they asked him afterwards why.

00:32:47.000 And he goes, well, I'm a Christian.

00:32:48.000 I just believe you're only supposed to kneel to God.

00:32:56.000 But why should Christians care? 1.00

00:33:01.000 This was just a thought I had a couple months ago.

00:33:06.000 Numbers chapter 30 is the silence equals consent chapter.

00:33:09.000 About a half dozen scenarios.

00:33:11.000 And one of them is: if a daughter is in her father's house and makes a vow and binds herself with a vow, and the day the father hears it, if he is silent, his silence gives consent to the vow and it stands and she's bound.

00:33:23.000 But if in the day he hears it, he disagrees with it, the vow is canceled and the Lord forgives her.

00:33:29.000 That's come down to us in wedding ceremonies.

00:33:32.000 If there's a vow at the wedding and the pastor says, anybody that's against this vow, speak now or forever hold your peace.

00:33:38.000 And if you're silent, your silence is giving consent to that the same way the father's silence gives consent to the vow.

00:33:46.000 It's called the rule of tacit admission.

00:33:49.000 And it's in a court of law, right?

00:33:50.000 If somebody's accused of a crime and they don't deny it, the jury can reasonably assume that they're guilty of the crime.

00:33:56.000 So if silence equals consent to a vow to a wedding, if the church members know that they're killing babies down the street and they are silent, they're giving consent to that.

00:34:09.000 If you give consent to sin, you are guilty of the sin and you will be judged as if you committed the sin.

00:34:17.000 See, their tactic is to guilt trip Christians into being more Christian than Christ. 0.97

00:34:22.000 Think, what?

00:34:23.000 Yeah, if you're really Christian, you'll tolerate the LGBTQ addenda being taught to the kids. 0.97

00:34:27.000 Question: Would Jesus teach that to the kids?

00:34:31.000 Jesus taught in the beginning, God made them male and female.

00:34:36.000 The man shall leave the father, the mother, and cleave to his wife. 0.97

00:34:38.000 The two shall become one.

00:34:40.000 So they're telling you that if you're really Christian, you'll let them teach something to kids that Jesus would not teach to the kids. 0.74

00:34:48.000 So if you're really Christian, you won't act like Christ, right? 1.00

00:34:51.000 But Jesus said, if you are silent and you allow one of these little ones that believes in me to stumble, it is better that a millstone be put around your neck and be thrown in the depths of the sea.

00:35:03.000 Who are you going to believe?

00:35:05.000 Them telling you being a Christian is allowing that?

00:35:05.000 Right?

00:35:07.000 Jesus, if you allow it, you're going to get judged.

00:35:09.000 You're silenced.

00:35:10.000 So all these people that are sitting in church thinking they're being super spiritual by not getting involved, they're actually inviting the judgment of God upon their heads.

00:35:29.000 So, Bill, I want to ask you just kind of about our modern times right now and to connect some historical trends of totalitarianism, the collectivism, the erosion of the rule of law.

00:35:41.000 And you wrote a lot about this in your books, the 5,000-year kind of journey from socialism, right, to kind of what we're into today.

00:35:50.000 It's a phenomenal book.

00:35:51.000 What do you think is the path forward to confront what seems to be at times overbearing tyranny?

00:35:58.000 What does history tell us on how to win this battle in front of us?

00:36:02.000 The first thing is to name the demon, right?

00:36:05.000 I mean, you need to pull the curtain back on the Wizard of Oz.

00:36:08.000 You need to expose it.

00:36:10.000 And one of the things in a book I did on socialism, that the most common form of government is kings.

00:36:16.000 Democracies and republics are attempts to take the power of the king, give it to the people.

00:36:22.000 Democracy, Athens, every citizen had to be at every meeting every day to talk about every issue, very time-consuming, so they could only grow as large as a city because you personally had to be there every day.

00:36:32.000 Republics is where you could take care of your family and your farm and have someone in your place go to the market every day and talk politics.

00:36:40.000 They're your representative.

00:36:41.000 So the REP and Republic is like the REP and representative.

00:36:46.000 Easy to remember.

00:36:47.000 So a Republican form of government is represented.

00:36:49.000 You're still in charge.

00:36:50.000 You're just ruling indirectly.

00:36:51.000 Whereas a democracy, you have to be there.

00:36:55.000 And so if democracies and republics are attempts to take the power of the king, give it to the people, what if the king wants the power back?

00:37:02.000 Does he just go and ask for it?

00:37:03.000 Hi, I want to be the king.

00:37:05.000 Give me control of your life.

00:37:06.000 Oh, yeah, okay, here you go.

00:37:08.000 Is that how it works?

00:37:09.000 No.

00:37:10.000 So there's two methods in which the king can take the power back.

00:37:13.000 Fear, when people are afraid, they'll trade freedom for security.

00:37:19.000 And the other is free stuff.

00:37:22.000 They're giving you stuff until you get dependent.

00:37:22.000 They're so nice.

00:37:24.000 And then they begin to set the hook like a fisherman.

00:37:28.000 And it's like a drug dealer takes over a neighborhood two ways.

00:37:31.000 He can come in with guns and get everybody in fear.

00:37:34.000 And out of fear, they trade their freedom for security just to be left alive.

00:37:37.000 Or the drug dealer is so nice, he's giving away free drugs until you get hooked.

00:37:42.000 And then he's like, you want some more free drugs?

00:37:44.000 You're going to have to give up your freedom and sell your body into prostitution. 1.00

00:37:47.000 It's like a hunter catches animals through guns or with bait, with a trap.

00:37:52.000 And so we begin to see that socialism goes back to Plato.

00:37:57.000 He's the first one that talked about everybody owning everything in common.

00:38:01.000 And it sounds nice until you think it through.

00:38:04.000 Somebody has to be in the government handing out the common stuff.

00:38:08.000 And they're always going to be tempted to funnel a little extra to their family and friends on the side and hold back from someone they don't like.

00:38:16.000 And before you know it, it gets discretionary.

00:38:19.000 And the saying is, he who holds the purse strings has the power.

00:38:23.000 So every attempt at everybody owning everything equally always ends up with a deep state bureaucracy passing out favors to their friends with the most corrupt guy at the top, a dictator.

00:38:33.000 And so anyway, I think I have all these little rabbit trails in my head.

00:38:43.000 That's okay.

00:38:44.000 I'll guide you on one because we've got to get to questions in a second here, Bill, which is modern day, what is it then the average citizen needs to do to defeat tyranny?

00:38:53.000 What does history show us as the effective way to be able to push back against this form of free stuff and fear?

00:39:00.000 How do we defeat that?

00:39:01.000 Local, local, local.

00:39:02.000 Everybody needs to be involved.

00:39:04.000 And so in America, the founding, the pastors in New England, Thomas Hooker, Roger Williams, they had congregational forms of church government that bled into their community government.

00:39:19.000 So England, they had a hierarchical form of church government.

00:39:21.000 The king was at the top, Archbishop of Canterbury and the deaneries and the vicars and the curates and all the way down.

00:39:27.000 Your relationship with God is through this hierarchical structure.

00:39:30.000 And when the Reformation happened, they went back to the Bible to this first 400-year period before King Saul. 0.60

00:39:39.000 And they realized here's this original plan before they sinned and went to Samuel the prophet and said, We want a king.

00:39:46.000 This original plan is Israel didn't have a king, and it worked because every citizen was taught the law.

00:39:51.000 And it was this congregational model called an assembly.

00:39:53.000 And so when Jesus says, Upon this rock I'll build my church, the word he uses ecclesia or ecclesia, and it means it means an assembly of the people.

00:40:03.000 So this was the competing views.

00:40:05.000 King James quoted from the Bible from the King Saul and on period.

00:40:11.000 And the Puritans and Presbyterians and the Pilgrims quoted from the Bible the pre-King Saul period, right?

00:40:19.000 The congregation model versus the king model.

00:40:22.000 And so when they founded New England, you had pastors and their churches forming communities.

00:40:29.000 And again, Thomas Hooker founded Hartford, Connecticut, 1636.

00:40:34.000 His church members come to him and say, Pastor, can you do a sermon on how we're supposed to set up our government?

00:40:41.000 So he gives a sermon in 1638 titled The Foundation of Authority Lies in the Free Consent of the People.

00:40:48.000 They take his sermon, they write it down, it becomes the Constitution for Connecticut from 1639 up until 1818.

00:40:57.000 How could you say, Pastor, don't get involved in politics when it's the pastor's sermon that's the Constitution of Connecticut?

00:41:04.000 How could you say church members don't get involved in politics when all there was in Hartford was the church members?

00:41:09.000 So they took their community, their congregational church model, and they made they only had one building.

00:41:15.000 It's called the meeting house.

00:41:16.000 You go to Boston, there's the Old South meeting house, and that's where they taught the Bible, and that's where they elected their city elders.

00:41:23.000 The word synagogue is Hebrew, it means meeting house.

00:41:26.000 That's where the rabbi would teach the law.

00:41:27.000 That's where they would elect their city elders.

00:41:29.000 One building.

00:41:30.000 I mean, why build an entirely separate building to talk about a different subject?

00:41:34.000 And so when the Revolutionary War starts, the military governor of Massachusetts, sent over by the king, Thomas Gage, outlawed these meeting houses.

00:41:44.000 He says, We don't need the people meeting.

00:41:46.000 Just do what the king tells you.

00:41:47.000 Again, top-down versus bottom-up.

00:41:49.000 So, what's the answer to the problem?

00:41:51.000 We got to get back to the bottom-up.

00:41:52.000 It's the difference between a dead pyramid and a living tree where every root and every little capillary root sucks in nutrients to keep the thing alive.

00:42:00.000 Every citizen needs to be in every church member.

00:42:03.000 So, the pastor's job, and that's why I love this church.

00:42:06.000 I love Luke and Angel and Pastor Tommy Barnett because they got it.

00:42:10.000 That everybody's supposed to be involved, right?

00:42:13.000 So, the pastor's job is to have you get your own relationship with Jesus.

00:42:17.000 They coach you into becoming a mature Christian, reading your Bible and praying, but then you find your place in the body and plug in.

00:42:24.000 Anything that's alive has to give, give in and take in and give out, right?

00:42:29.000 And so, we need to take this church model, everybody's involved, and we need to make it our community model.

00:42:35.000 Everybody's involved.

00:42:37.000 Amen.

00:42:38.000 It's beautifully said.

00:42:41.000 So, let's start to line up for some questions.

00:42:43.000 Is that right, Luke?

00:42:44.000 I think on the time, right?

00:42:45.000 Let's start to line up for some questions here.

00:42:48.000 And I know that there will be some, definitely some questions about last night and all of that.

00:42:52.000 So, just so you guys know, that was pretty impressive, as you saw.

00:42:57.000 This is the type of stuff that if you send your kid to Dream City Christian at Turning Point Academy, this is the type of history curriculum that your kid or grandkid could get, right?

00:43:12.000 That's not happening in government schools.

00:43:14.000 That is not happening in many places, even some Christian schools.

00:43:18.000 Exceptional.

00:43:19.000 Okay, let's get through some questions here.

00:43:21.000 Yes, you're right up.

00:43:22.000 Great.

00:43:22.000 Thank you both so much for talking to us, being here tonight.

00:43:26.000 We think about tyranny and totalitarianism, that it can't happen here.

00:43:32.000 We look at Australia, we look at England, we've seen the videos of police coming to people's homes.

00:43:38.000 I am here to say that a family member last month had the police come to his home and question him about his gun ownership.

00:43:48.000 He was told, this is in Arizona, this is happening here last month.

00:43:53.000 He was told that they were watching supposedly his social media.

00:43:57.000 It was a case of mistaken identity.

00:44:00.000 However, what do we do?

00:44:03.000 I mean, we were shocked and appalled.

00:44:04.000 We're conservative, you know, Second Amendment family who are being harassed by law enforcement in Arizona.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, so I'm not going to make this political.

00:44:15.000 I am happy to talk my own personal opinion on some things.

00:44:18.000 I will say, though, a race that you should take a look at and make a prudent decision is the Attorney General's race, because the amount of power in the Attorney General of Arizona is remarkable when it comes to these things.

00:44:31.000 And going in the wrong hands, it would be really, really awful.

00:44:34.000 So what could be done?

00:44:36.000 Boy, you're touching on something really important, which is the surveillance state with the erosion of freedom and liberty, kind of all mixed together.

00:44:44.000 And so this is one of the reasons why I'm against red flag laws. 0.53

00:44:48.000 I have been for quite some time because they always say it's a case of mistaken identity, but I believe in due process if you're going to actually have your rights taken away from you from government, not some sort of hearsay rumor mill deal.

00:45:03.000 But it's here.

00:45:04.000 I just want to say one thing.

00:45:05.000 You're right.

00:45:06.000 We see the videos of Australia and Canada.

00:45:08.000 There are forms of tyranny that are already here in America that, I mean, do we need to look at anything else in the last two years, from the lockdowns, from the arresting of pastors?

00:45:20.000 And I believe eternal vigilance is the answer.

00:45:23.000 And so I will say this, though, that tyrants are running out of tricks to be able to control us.

00:45:30.000 It's one of the reasons why I think they're becoming so paranoid and they're so worried is that you all rising up, you keeping your eyes on power, you no longer believing the media with these things is a direct threat to their power.

00:45:44.000 Bill, what are your thoughts?

00:45:46.000 Tyrants have two tools in their toolbox, fraud and force.

00:45:50.000 Fraud is they will lie to you and take away your freedoms as long as you let them.

00:45:55.000 But when they begin to drop in popularity, the mask comes off, and the only tool they have left is force.

00:46:03.000 And that's why the biggest threat to America right now is woke critical race theory in the military.

00:46:11.000 It's so true. 0.84

00:46:12.000 It's naive of us to think that the same people that are pushing their agenda through the courts, through the education, through Hollywood, that they're somehow not going to be tempted to want to push their agenda through the military.

00:46:26.000 And so this is very serious.

00:46:28.000 The answer is pushback.

00:46:29.000 The answer is pushback and legally sue them.

00:46:34.000 And there's lots of great law firms that do this.

00:46:40.000 And you have to do what Turning Point did to the View.

00:46:44.000 You know, mentioning the View, Condoleezza Rice was on the View years ago, and she talked about growing up in Democrat-controlled Alabama with a commissioner named Bull Connor. 0.94

00:46:57.000 And she said that the white knights, and these were the Democrats in the South, would ride through her neighborhood and trash it and persecute and treat the black people really bad. 0.88

00:47:11.000 And she said that my dad and his friends would go to the head of our neighborhood. 0.97

00:47:16.000 It was a cul-de-sac.

00:47:17.000 And when they would come, they would shoot some guns in the air.

00:47:19.000 She said they never hit anybody, but that made these white knights turn around and leave.

00:47:23.000 And she says, I guarantee if Boll Connor, the Democrat commissioner, knew, had a registration list and knew who had the gun, she would go to them and take them away.

00:47:33.000 And this is Condoleezza Rice.

00:47:34.000 She says, that's why I'm against some things like gun registration.

00:47:40.000 Well said.

00:47:41.000 Thank you.

00:47:42.000 Next question.

00:47:43.000 Let's try to get quick to your question, guys.

00:47:46.000 Just a straight question.

00:47:47.000 Yes, sir.

00:47:47.000 Yes, Bill, both of you, gentlemen, if you could bring some light to this.

00:47:53.000 So in the class, and Bill, I don't know if you remember me from last February.

00:47:57.000 I'm the guy at the war room that spoke, and I bought three of your books and 10 videos.

00:48:01.000 God bless you.

00:48:02.000 You blew me away with what you're doing here tonight.

00:48:04.000 Now everyone is blessed to get to know you.

00:48:07.000 But I am teaching through my Eagle seminar that our founders were not interested in party.

00:48:14.000 In fact, they warned.

00:48:15.000 Their focus was about unity, and you talked about that and community.

00:48:20.000 And they called us patriots, American patriots, and we became the united states of America.

00:48:26.000 My question is this to both of you gentlemen.

00:48:29.000 How can we teach this to all four generations in our nation?

00:48:34.000 Because we're splitting up.

00:48:35.000 The enemy is dividing us by generation, unlike anything I've seen in 42 years.

00:48:41.000 This is the question.

00:48:42.000 How do we teach unity in this time?

00:48:46.000 Because through COVID and this attack that came upon our nation, almost like a biblical plague, the shaking that we're experiencing, what's happening is people are becoming isolated.

00:48:58.000 They're not going to church.

00:48:59.000 They're not plugging in.

00:49:00.000 They're forsaking the church.

00:49:01.000 Sorry, you got to get to the question, like I said.

00:49:03.000 The question is, how can we teach that and encourage the pastor, the teacher, the political leader like Charlie Kirk?

00:49:11.000 Okay, I'll start with that.

00:49:12.000 Look, I have a heart for unity.

00:49:14.000 I really do.

00:49:15.000 I will say, though, that I'm not sure this is a moment of time where I have a lot to unite around with some of the more insidious forces.

00:49:25.000 I'll be very honest.

00:49:26.000 You read Luke 12, Jesus did not come here to unite the world.

00:49:29.000 He came here to divide.

00:49:31.000 And that is a very controversial thing to say in church, but it's in the Bible.

00:49:36.000 And it said very clear, I'm here to turn father against son or brother against brother.

00:49:42.000 And you think about it, it's actually totally true, right?

00:49:45.000 Which is Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, not a way, not one of the options along the way.

00:49:53.000 And so I struggle with this because I have a heart for unity and I want to try to get to that place.

00:49:58.000 But you know what we all are called to have unity in?

00:50:00.000 Unity in the body of Christ.

00:50:02.000 That's a completely different thing than unity with the world.

00:50:07.000 And so I think you're right that unity in the body of Christ is a completely different thing than unity in the world.

00:50:13.000 And so I think that is a tension that some Christians have because that teaching in Luke 12 is awfully direct about what Jesus came to the world to do.

00:50:24.000 And it's also articulated in how we understand our tension and our battle against the enemy, right?

00:50:32.000 We are not here to go find unity with Lucifer or with Satan, right?

00:50:36.000 We're here to win souls and a rescue mission from Satan to be able to bring them to eternal life.

00:50:41.000 Bill, your thoughts.

00:50:43.000 I think part of the answer is what you're doing already, that you said that you're teaching a class.

00:50:49.000 So you're the king in America.

00:50:52.000 The politicians are your servants.

00:50:55.000 You hire them, you fire them. 0.57

00:50:56.000 Wouldn't it be silly for a king to go through his castle and the janitor said, sorry, king, you can't go in this part of the castle anymore.

00:51:02.000 It's like, who are you?

00:51:03.000 Where'd you come from?

00:51:03.000 Oh, I'm the janitor.

00:51:04.000 Oh, the butler and the cook hired me.

00:51:05.000 Well, they're my servants, too.

00:51:07.000 It's like, who's a Supreme Court justice?

00:51:09.000 Oh, they're appointed by the president.

00:51:11.000 I voted in the president.

00:51:12.000 Well, they're confirmed by the Senate.

00:51:13.000 I voted in the Senate.

00:51:14.000 So you're like a servant of a servant.

00:51:15.000 Who are you telling me what to do?

00:51:17.000 Right?

00:51:18.000 And so you're the king.

00:51:20.000 It would be silly for a king to sit on his throne and say, Can somebody tell me what I'm supposed to do?

00:51:25.000 Hey, hey, Cook, come here. 0.96

00:51:27.000 What am I supposed to do?

00:51:28.000 No, it's your job to keep up on the issues, seek God's will in the scriptures, and then get out there and do something.

00:51:39.000 And you tell your representatives what needs to happen.

00:51:42.000 You're the king.

00:51:43.000 So, if anything, what we're doing tonight is to release you.

00:51:46.000 Be the king.

00:51:47.000 Put your shoulders back.

00:51:49.000 Say, God, you'll give you ideas on what to do.

00:51:53.000 All right, next question.

00:51:53.000 Amen.

00:51:54.000 How are you doing, my man?

00:51:56.000 Hi, I'm Micah.

00:51:58.000 And I was wondering what can I expect with the collaboration of Dream City Christian and Turning Point USA?

00:52:09.000 What a great question.

00:52:10.000 Isn't that great?

00:52:12.000 You can expect, you can expect a lot of this, is what I could tell you.

00:52:18.000 Yeah, you got a quick follow-up, Micah.

00:52:20.000 Yeah.

00:52:21.000 Will you be visiting?

00:52:23.000 I will be visiting.

00:52:24.000 Yes.

00:52:25.000 And Bill Federer will be visiting, and Victor Marks will be visiting, and Eric Metaxas will be visiting, and many people will be visiting throughout the years.

00:52:35.000 I'll tell you what, here's what you can expect.

00:52:38.000 And this is something that we're continually working on and workshopping.

00:52:42.000 It's not going to be easy, but it'll be worth it.

00:52:44.000 There'll be no great inflation, but there will be a journey towards truth.

00:52:47.000 There'll be no wokeism.

00:52:48.000 There will be things that are good and beautiful that you'll be studying.

00:52:51.000 And you will look around to peers in government school and even some other Christian schools.

00:52:56.000 And it's not even a matter of knowing more.

00:52:58.000 It's that you will be in a journey that will change your life for the better.

00:53:04.000 And you will be a citizen, and you'll know what that word means, by the way, ready to go into this world and be a change maker for Jesus and for liberty.

00:53:11.000 That's what you can expect.

00:53:16.000 And I want to point out that that's the reason we're doing all this.

00:53:21.000 The young people.

00:53:27.000 Next question.

00:53:29.000 Hey, Charlie and Mr. Federer.

00:53:31.000 I was wondering if any part of this speech today was being recorded or any way that we can find this information at all.

00:53:39.000 Yep.

00:53:40.000 So it's all being live streamed.

00:53:41.000 And as always, we rebroadcast these on our podcast page every Sunday, Charlie Kirk Show podcast page.

00:53:49.000 So give a subscription to that, and you'll be able to listen to the entire thing.

00:53:53.000 And you can listen to it on half speed to make sure you get all of Bill Federer's facts.

00:54:01.000 Not two times speed.

00:54:02.000 No, no, no, you wouldn't get anything.

00:54:04.000 Half speed.

00:54:06.000 God bless you.

00:54:06.000 Next question.

00:54:09.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:54:11.000 I talked with you earlier this year.

00:54:13.000 I gave you a copy of my book.

00:54:15.000 I'm very concerned about IYC going on in the world, specifically Iran. 1.00

00:54:22.000 We have a president, my president still, who says he wants to liberate Iran from the theocracy that is there, a theocracy that teaches that if a young girl is raped, she can be murdered.

00:54:37.000 But I say that we also have those in America that are abusing the First Amendment.

00:54:44.000 How do we go about cleansing our churches along with cleansing our country? 0.97

00:54:55.000 I grew up in the religious institution called Jehovah's Witnesses.

00:55:00.000 Something most people don't know is that Roe grew up as a Jehovah's Witness girl.

00:55:07.000 Now, why would a woman want to have an abortion? 1.00

00:55:12.000 Well, I'll tell you why.

00:55:15.000 About a month ago, their governing body member, which would be equivalent to the Pope of the Catholic Church, gave a worldwide speech in which he said, and I quote, babies are an enemy of God.

00:55:32.000 The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society is located in New York.

00:55:37.000 You got to get to your question.

00:55:38.000 I'm sorry.

00:55:40.000 How do we cleanse the laws that they have manipulated, such as our flag salute?

00:55:48.000 They took it all the way to SCOTUS.

00:55:50.000 Okay.

00:55:50.000 And now we have burning of the flag.

00:55:53.000 Yeah, I really don't know very much about the Jehovah's Witness category.

00:55:58.000 I'll be very honest.

00:55:59.000 So, Bill, do you have any insight into that?

00:56:02.000 First of all, thank you for your question.

00:56:04.000 The big thing is to get involved and to vote out the bad people and put in the good people.

00:56:10.000 And I think you ought to run.

00:56:12.000 I think, you know, school moms, you know, it's one thing, and I'm thrilled with Rob McCoy getting involved there in Thousand Oaks, California and Michelle.

00:56:22.000 But you drive by the school every day, and if you know what's being taught there and you're silent, you're giving consent to that.

00:56:30.000 And if you give consent to that, you're going to be judged for it.

00:56:33.000 And so I think every church needs to run church members for the local school board.

00:56:38.000 Amen.

00:56:39.000 And if churches can do that, all the higher positions will take care of themselves.

00:56:45.000 People will get a taste for it, and they'll decide they're going to run for all the other offices.

00:56:49.000 That's right.

00:56:50.000 Thank you for being here tonight.

00:56:51.000 Got to get to the next question.

00:56:52.000 Thank you.

00:56:53.000 My first question was, I wanted to know your name because I never heard Charlie say it.

00:56:58.000 And I think he said it just now.

00:57:01.000 Bill Federer.

00:57:02.000 Okay, because I tried all during...

00:57:04.000 That's his name, not my name.

00:57:05.000 Right.

00:57:06.000 I tried all during your speech to look it up on Amazon so I could see your books, but I didn't know the last name.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, AmericanMinute.com is my website.

00:57:15.000 American Minute.

00:57:15.000 Okay.

00:57:16.000 Now, what book, if we were going to buy one or two, what do we start out with?

00:57:21.000 Because I'm so impressed with you.

00:57:22.000 I'm a high school English teacher.

00:57:24.000 You're so kind.

00:57:26.000 My son, Michael, has the book table out in the lobby, and so I've got lots of books.

00:57:31.000 One of them is on the history of socialism.

00:57:33.000 Another book, I had an idea of compiling God and Country Coach, and so it's an 845-page book, sold a half million copies, focused on the family, sold it, and even had the U.S. Supreme Court cite the book by name in a case in 2013.

00:57:47.000 They were having prayer in a little city in Greece, New York, and they opened in Jesus' name, and the ACLU sues them.

00:57:54.000 And the Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy said, well, the Continental Congress opened prayer in Jesus' name, gives the prayer from Jacob Boucher, and then cites the book, W. Federer, America's God and Country.

00:58:03.000 All my friends say, how'd you get the Supreme Court to cite your name?

00:58:08.000 It's good to see the McGuire's here.

00:58:10.000 God bless you.

00:58:10.000 I'm thinking of you every time I wax my car.

00:58:14.000 You're the best.

00:58:16.000 I just wanted to know the name of that book.

00:58:18.000 Oh, okay.

00:58:18.000 So America's God and Country, Encyclopedia of Quotations.

00:58:24.000 And then a lot of what I talked about today is in a book called Socialism, The Real History from Plato to the Present.

00:58:31.000 That's out front.

00:58:31.000 Right.

00:58:32.000 And the subtitle is How the Deep State Capitalizes on Crises to Consolidate Control.

00:58:36.000 And I wanted to throw something in about the division that how good and perfect it is, brethren to dwell together in unity.

00:58:45.000 Six things the Lord hates.

00:58:47.000 One of them is he that soweth discord amongst the brethren.

00:58:50.000 And so we, the strategy is to sow discord.

00:58:54.000 So when the British took over India, they came in in 1714, opened the trading post that turned into a trading fort that turned into them getting involved in local politics and giving guns to one kingdom and guns to another kingdom and then stirring up animosity between the kingdoms.

00:59:05.000 And when they blooded each other up, the British came in and took over both. 0.97

00:59:09.000 And they did this again and again and again until they took over all of India, a quarter of the world's population. 0.99

00:59:14.000 And this concept got adapted by Karl Marx, and he called it critical theory.

00:59:18.000 You go into a country and you observe all the different groups, ethnically, religiously, racially, and you call some victims and others oppressors, haves and have-nots, and you pit them against each other with riots and protests until they bloody each other up.

00:59:31.000 And then the government comes in and says, We're going to restore order, and they take away your guns and take away your freedom of speech and take away everything, right?

00:59:37.000 And so they want to bring this division, and we need so that that's why the most biggest threat to America is a critical race theory in our military and in our schools.

00:59:45.000 We need to address that.

00:59:47.000 Jesus loves everybody.

00:59:49.000 Everyone's made in his image.

00:59:51.000 And anyway.

00:59:53.000 Great.

00:59:54.000 We'll get to two more super quick.

00:59:56.000 Yes.

00:59:57.000 Hi, gentlemen.

00:59:58.000 I love you both.

00:59:59.000 Thank you so much for making an impact.

01:00:01.000 I go to the University of Tennessee at Martin, and I've noticed that many children do not care about politics or even vote.

01:00:08.000 So how do I make an impact on my age group on my college campus?

01:00:13.000 So do you go to University of Tennessee?

01:00:14.000 Yes.

01:00:15.000 Cool.

01:00:15.000 Well, the first thing is start a Turning Point USA chapter, which is the best thing that you could do.

01:00:22.000 Right?

01:00:23.000 That's the best thing you could do.

01:00:24.000 And be a leader, right?

01:00:26.000 A lot of young people are confused right now, understandably, and over-dominant cynicism of this generation, which is another speech for a different time.

01:00:35.000 But you just got to be a leader.

01:00:37.000 Show them the care.

01:00:38.000 Show them how it impacts their life.

01:00:40.000 And they'll be struck and they'll be kind of confused.

01:00:42.000 Like, why do you care so much?

01:00:44.000 And that sort of leadership on campus makes a very, very big impact.

01:00:48.000 And we just saw this in Tampa, Florida: 5,000 students.

01:00:52.000 There's more out there than you might think, though, I'll say.

01:00:54.000 It might be on the surface as if they don't care, but there is interest.

01:00:58.000 You just got to find them, and then you've got to challenge them, organize, and lead them towards engagement.

01:01:05.000 And if I were to throw in one thing, I gain encouragement from the spiritual side and the thought that someday you're going to be dead.

01:01:14.000 It's a nice way to end the talk.

01:01:16.000 But you're going to be in heaven because you believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay for all your sins.

01:01:19.000 And when we've been there 10,000 years, bright shining as the sun, with no less days to sing his praise than when we just begun, imagine you've been in heaven 10,000 years.

01:01:27.000 Maybe you meet Moses walking the streets of gold.

01:01:29.000 Maybe Moses will invite you over to his place.

01:01:32.000 I don't know what it's like in heaven, but I bet Moses will have, Jesus said, my father's house of many mansions.

01:01:36.000 So he'll probably have one of those big fireplaces where the logs don't burn up.

01:01:41.000 Get it, the burning bush in the wilderness didn't burn up and the logs and his fireplace.

01:01:45.000 Anyway, I heard someone say, in heaven, you'll travel as fast as you think.

01:01:51.000 And I'll probably show up late.

01:01:54.000 My wife will say, where were you?

01:01:55.000 And I was thinking about something else.

01:01:56.000 But imagine being there.

01:01:57.000 Maybe he's got a big living room like tonight.

01:01:59.000 And after the small talk's over, you ask him and you say, Moses, what was it like?

01:02:04.000 I mean, I read the book.

01:02:04.000 I even saw the movie.

01:02:05.000 But here you are in person.

01:02:07.000 The room will get quiet.

01:02:08.000 Moses will stand up and he'll say, I was 80 years old.

01:02:12.000 And Pharaoh, the most powerful military leader in the world, was charging in at us.

01:02:17.000 We were unarmed.

01:02:18.000 It looked totally hopeless.

01:02:19.000 And I just stood there and said, God, use me to make a difference.

01:02:22.000 And the waves came in and swallowed up Pharaoh's chariots.

01:02:25.000 We're going to say, wow.

01:02:26.000 Then we're going to look around the room and see David.

01:02:28.000 Say, David, David, tell us your story.

01:02:30.000 The room will get quiet.

01:02:31.000 He'll stand up and he goes, I was just a teenager.

01:02:33.000 And this thug, Goliath, was mocking our God, making fun of our faith.

01:02:36.000 And these grown-ups were too chicken to do anything. 0.93

01:02:39.000 I said, enough of that. 1.00

01:02:40.000 I took my little sling, hit him in the head, took his own sword and chopped his head off. 0.99

01:02:44.000 And one by one, they're going to tell their story. 0.98

01:02:45.000 It's going to be really exciting.

01:02:47.000 And then everyone in the room is going to look at you and say, you, we haven't heard your story yet.

01:02:54.000 What was going on down on earth when it was your turn to be down there?

01:02:58.000 What did you do when the whole world was against you?

01:03:00.000 What did you do when they were lying about you and smearing you?

01:03:06.000 You know, I'd hate for any of us to be there and Jesus to walk in the room and a big screen come down and show all kinds of great things happening and him say, that's what I had planned for you to do when you were down on earth, but you just didn't have enough faith and courage.

01:03:21.000 And you look back at your life and that big mountain that held you back is this little anthill.

01:03:26.000 And you said, I let that little fear of man hold me back from doing all this great.

01:03:31.000 And you can't go back to earth and do anything else for Jesus because you're already in heaven because you believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay for all your sins.

01:03:38.000 But guess what?

01:03:40.000 We're still on this earth.

01:03:41.000 We still have breath in our lungs.

01:03:43.000 You still have feet that you still can do those things that you'll be known for forever.

01:03:48.000 This is your chance.

01:03:50.000 God has chosen you for this time right now.

01:03:52.000 Go be bold. 0.80

01:03:55.000 I can't think of a better way to end.

01:03:56.000 Built better, everybody.

01:04:00.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:04:01.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:04:04.000 Thanks so much.

01:04:05.000 Talk to you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 07, 2022

The Christian Foundation of Our Nation’s Founding LIVE from Dream City Church

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