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00:03:46.000And it attests to, I think we agree, one of the most beautiful things that has come from the tragedy of Charlie's death is people who you wouldn't necessarily have expected before really becoming, you know, making proclamations of the gospel you don't normally expect.
00:04:04.000We talked about Marco Rubio and Vice President Vance, both of them publicly Christians, but making much more ad hoc proclamations of the gospel at Charlie's morale, ones they weren't planning on making, but that have endured since.
00:05:23.000The controversy was this weekend that I found particularly annoying, and it's important to go through.
00:05:28.000But there was an American flag and an Israeli flag, okay, that they put up apparently in the last week, unbeknownst to our team that runs the TPUSA faith tour, all right?
00:05:41.000So I think we have an image of this, and it was a, I mean, and I put out on social media, I said, we didn't put it up, we didn't dictate, we didn't say, hey, Church in El Paso, you must have an Israeli flag up or we're not doing this event.
00:07:17.000They don't care about anything except this one issue.
00:07:20.000And so they spent Sunday flipping out about this, falsely claiming that Turning Point ordered that this was part of the event, that Turning Point ordered the church to put it up.
00:07:30.000And even once this was corrected, which was trivial and easy to do, they just insisted upon it anyway.
00:07:36.000And Andrew and I were discussing before the show what drives this.
00:07:40.000And the truth is, there's a lot of people who the only thing they ever want to talk about is Israel, the Jews, and specifically how much they hate both of them.
00:07:51.000There are podcasts where every episode is just about that.
00:07:54.000They find a way to make every single topic.
00:07:57.000If you talk about taxes, they say, we would be richer if not for the Jews taking all of our money.
00:08:02.000If you want to talk about the border, they would say, it doesn't matter as long as we're enslaved by Israel.
00:08:10.000They said, They say Turning Point is a huge champion for the Iran war.
00:08:14.000When, if you've ever watched this show, if you've ever watched Turning Point, you know that's not true.
00:08:18.000We've gotten a bunch of emails from you out there that are mad that we're not supportive as much as you should.
00:08:23.000And it's that people so aggressively lie about this.
00:08:25.000I just saw someone who fell for it, someone posted a Make Heaven Crowded advertisement, and it's like Erica Kirk with the Israeli flag in the background and an atomic bomb going off.
00:08:36.000Obviously fake, obviously a Photoshop.
00:08:39.000Someone points us out and they go, Oh, I fell for it.
00:08:41.000But Make heaven crowded is still really suspicious.
00:08:44.000I mean, it's not suspicious for any reason except that these people are obsessed with one topic and they make everything about it.
00:08:50.000It's super annoying because there's a lot of more important things to do, and you have a whole corner of the internet that all they do is bitch and complain, pardon my French, about us and what we're doing.
00:10:31.000What's happening is a collision of ideas and a battle over who gets to own what piece of territory when it comes to messaging and communication and honestly, the moral high ground.
00:10:43.000Because a lot of this, Democrats are classic at virtue signaling and invoking the name of Jesus.
00:10:48.000El Sayed, by the way, when he does it, he's saying that he's a Muslim and they don't believe that Jesus is who he said he was, namely the son of God.
00:12:00.000It's amazing because you remember a decade ago where all those anti Trump women would don those handmaid's tail costumes because the Amazon show came out.
00:12:09.000And this is what Trump was going to impose on them.
00:12:11.000He was going to make them all dress up.
00:12:12.000Like, you know, this kind of vaguely kinky outfit version of colonial America, which of course never happened, was never going to happen.
00:12:25.000All the people who say, my body, my choice, will race to say, my body, their choice as soon as it's going to a mosque to talk to Muslim men about how we're going to bring more of them into America, let them have more power over American life.
00:12:39.000Because the big strand uniting all these disparate groups.
00:12:44.000Whether it's Islamic immigrants or Kathy Oakle or James Tallarico or anyone else or Hassan Piker, is hostility towards America and the historic American identity and the historic American people.
00:12:57.000As long as you are against those people and against that concept, you have room in the Democrat coalition.
00:13:03.000And it's not limited to New York, unfortunately.
00:13:06.000Look at in California, 150 right here.
00:13:10.000California Governor Gavin Newsom is set to sign legislation recognizing two Muslim holidays, Ayyad al Fitr.
00:13:19.000You know, I'm not going to credit you for what's good that you don't know how to say.
00:13:22.000As state holidays and allowing public schools to celebrate their significance.
00:13:26.000Meanwhile, there are over 12 million Catholics in California, yet schools have no similar authorization to celebrate the religious significance of Christmas, Easter, or Good Friday.
00:13:38.000So while we're touring around the country in dozens and dozens of states, lifting up the name of Jesus, celebrating the church, getting off the sidelines and into the public sphere because.
00:13:48.000We firmly believe, and Charlie firmly believed, that if we don't do it, people who don't share your values will.
00:13:54.000We have ceded the public square as Christians to the atheists, the agnostics, the secular humanists, the communists, the DSA types, and the Muslims.
00:14:05.000So meanwhile, California and New York are bending over backwards to give special honor to Islamic holidays.
00:14:16.000And we don't even have Good Friday, Christmas, or Easter.
00:14:20.000Authorized in California, Jesus Christ.
00:14:21.000You know, we always advertise when we do the Hills, we talk about the Iliad and we talk about the Odyssey.
00:14:25.000And I was flipping through it because I got my copy of the Odyssey.
00:14:27.000And there's a line in Homer's Odyssey.
00:14:30.000I believe Nestor says it, one of the guys.
00:14:32.000And he says, All men have need of gods.
00:14:35.000And I think about that often because it's very true.
00:14:38.000Everyone needs some sort of God to worship.
00:14:41.000And Charlie loved that point that you can submit to the one God that we believe in and his son and the civilization that emanates forth from that.
00:14:51.000And the teachings that emanate from that.
00:14:53.000But if you throw it out, you don't replace it with nothing.
00:14:55.000It will be replaced with something else.
00:15:53.000We condemned that terrorist attack, we condemned it outright.
00:15:56.000What I was trying to do is offer context for why it happened, but it wasn't the time for context, and you don't ever want to trample somebody's pain.
00:16:03.000Oh, mask off moment for the Muslim from Egypt.
00:16:06.000Oh, when there's a radical Islamic terrorist attack, you said hurt people, hurt people.
00:16:11.000Oh, thanks for that context, El Sayed.
00:16:13.000I think the context is that you truly dislike some people.
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00:18:33.000We have a great article that you've written about Dolly Parton, we're going to get to in the second segment about why we need to make sure the left doesn't claim her.
00:18:54.000I don't know how to say this any differently, but it doesn't matter.
00:18:58.000There is a certain corner of the internet that either doesn't understand how the evangelical church works or they just hate evangelical churches.
00:19:06.000Tell us, and for our audience, how normal this is within evangelical churches in America for them to have a statement of faith that also includes maybe a line about their support of the state of Israel.
00:19:20.000And, you know, it's not something that everyone agrees with, but there is still a very strong dispensational theology that a lot of Baptists, in particular, non denominational Protestants, embrace.
00:19:29.000And so, if you go into those churches, you know, it's a valid theological position that a lot of Christians debate, but those particular churches are going to telegraph and signal their support for Israel because they do believe that God still has promises and prophecies to fulfill for the state of Israel.
00:19:47.000And so, you know, for those reasons, they look at those Old Testament verses about, I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you, and they believe them.
00:19:54.000And so, you know, you can disagree with that, but it is a legitimate theological position that many, many, many mainstream Protestant evangelical churches take.
00:20:03.000So, you know, if you visit a lot of them, and I'm sure I too have been in churches that, you know, were strongly supportive of Israel, I didn't look around for the flags.
00:20:11.000But, you know, if I found out I happened to be in a church with one, I wouldn't be surprised because certainly, you know, I have dispensational friends.
00:20:19.000And yeah, so, you know, that wouldn't surprise me at all.
00:20:21.000I think this is a really interesting question because Blake's Catholic and the Catholic Church has been, I think, pretty.
00:20:28.000They kind of pray for the salvation of Israel, which I believe all Christians do.
00:20:31.000It's been a controversy because historically on Good Friday there's a prayer for the Jews, but it's very much in the tone of we pray for them to convert.
00:20:39.000And that's created controversy over time, especially in the precise wording.
00:20:45.000So, but Megan, I think we do ourselves a disservice in this dialogue if we sort of say, hey, you're replacement theology, that you believe the church has replaced Israel versus dispensationalist, which you believe the opposite of that.
00:20:58.000But there's lots of in betweens, right?
00:21:20.000But from a theological standpoint, give the audience, educate the audience right now on some of, yeah, leaky dispensationalists versus replacement versus remnant.
00:21:29.000There's lots of theologies in between that we never talk about.
00:21:32.000Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't delve deeply into this issue myself.
00:21:36.000I'm kind of one of those who goes, look, I don't think I'm going to know this for sure until Christ returns and we will sort it out then.
00:21:43.000So I don't get especially worked up about this issue, but some people do.
00:21:48.000I don't know exactly which part of dispensationalism that leaked out for John MacArthur.
00:21:54.000So, you know, I would have to go back and review what his doctrine was on that.
00:22:00.000But yes, I mean, so you have those who believe that the church, the Christian church today, has fulfilled.
00:22:05.000Fulfilled all of the promises that were made to Israel in the Old Testament.
00:22:09.000So they believe that the church now represents Israel in those Old Testament promises.
00:22:14.000And then you have a lot of Christians who don't believe that, who believe that no, these promises are yet to be fulfilled in Israel in the future.
00:22:22.000And none of them, I don't think, think the entire state of Israel politically is going to be saved, but they are saying there is going to be a great coming to Christ by the Jews in the end times, that that's something we're going to see.
00:22:35.000And so, regardless of where you stand on whether we have replaced The Jews in the Old Testament as the church, or whether those promises are still to be fulfilled, I think we can all go, that's a good thing.
00:22:46.000We all want to believe that, yes, there will be a great coming to Christ in the end times by the Jews.
00:22:51.000And so, like I said, I am not an expert on this subject by any stretch of the imagination.
00:23:15.000Well, and you know, on that backdrop, right?
00:23:17.000So, we're so distracted, you know, arguing about different theological positions about Israel.
00:23:23.000But meanwhile, you've got stories that, whether or not, you know, the Girl Scouts has been doing this for years, that you've got Kathy Hochul wearing a hijab.
00:23:33.000You've got the Girl Scouts giving out Muslim badges.
00:23:36.000You've got El Sayed basically saying, hurt people, hurt people when terrorists do terrorism.
00:23:43.000So, the whole like moral inversion that we're watching happening right before our very eyes on social media.
00:23:53.000Before this segment, we went and looked up Care actually weighed in on the Girl Scout controversy, which if you throw up 152, I accidentally helped spark.
00:24:02.000Natalie Winters did the original reporting.
00:24:53.000You've got Mamdani, El Sayed, you've got Chevalier, like there is a certainly a rise of the sound and the volume of the Muslim presence in America.
00:25:04.000And when it starts, you know, coming into a collision course with our institutions, we're going to take note, maybe more than we should, but maybe more than we did 10 years ago.
00:25:13.000Yeah, I think, you know, what we can do is look at what's happening in Europe and the UK in particular.
00:25:19.000I just got back from the UK and you do see, you know, parts of London where the street signs are now written in Arabic, where old historic.
00:25:27.000You know, London buildings have been taken over by Islamic centers and mosques.
00:25:31.000So you're not going to be able to ignore the fact that we now have fair warning about where this goes.
00:25:35.000And I think that's why you're suddenly seeing alarm bells where maybe people wouldn't have noticed so much before, because we're getting a little glimpse of our future and what's happening over in Europe.
00:25:45.000And, you know, one of the things you noted there about the Girl Scouts is that they said, well, we have always served all faiths.
00:25:51.000Well, here's the little contextual piece they don't offer, which is that the Girl Scouts were established in an assumed Christian environment.
00:26:00.000So Juliette Gordon Lowe, who established the Girl Scouts, was a very, very strong Christian.
00:26:06.000And part of the reason that she insisted that one of the key oaths and commitments that a Girl Scout makes is service to God and country, not a God, but God.
00:26:18.000So there was assumed there is a particular God that we are serving here.
00:26:21.000If she just, you know, in her intention in establishing it, she could have said, serve gods or serve your religion or your faith, but it was actually just assumed.
00:26:33.000So, you know, we have to acknowledge that when you suddenly have the Girl Scouts allowing things like putting up booths to try on hijabs, that this is the opposite of empowering young women, because that's the other piece of this it's not like we're just talking about, you know, a stray random belief, yes, that has no impact on what women are, what we believe, what we are going to become.
00:26:54.000We're actually talking about a very oppressive ideology against women.
00:26:58.000We're talking about an ideology that makes women second class citizens.
00:27:02.000That allows them to be raped and abused, particularly if they're infidel women, that allows men to have multiple wives but would never allow a woman to have multiple husbands.
00:27:11.000So, this should be in fundamental conflict with the values of the Girl Scouts.
00:27:16.000And that was what was so interesting about their statement is that even though they say, you know, we're interfaith, we have never prioritized a particular faith.
00:27:24.000Well, no, but you were supposed to prioritize what is beneficial and empowering to girls.
00:27:30.000And bringing in Islam is the absolute opposite of that.
00:27:34.000It sets women backwards and it oppresses women.
00:27:37.000So, you know, you can see Kathy Hochul right there bending the knee to it.
00:27:40.000And if I just really quick make one more point part of the problem about this, Andrew, is that we have participated on the Christian conservative right.
00:27:50.000The president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greer, said that Christians and Muslims serve the same God.
00:27:57.000I watched the head of the lobbying arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, and again, this is the biggest Protestant denomination, so it matters.
00:28:03.000I watched him say that Southern Baptists need to support the building of more mosques in the United States.
00:28:09.000Governor Greg Abbott has, yes, that happened.
00:28:12.000And we can look at Republicans too, who are suddenly acting like, oh my gosh, who knew this was happening?
00:28:37.000So, I, you know, I'm so tempted to talk about Lindsey Clancy, but we've talked about her too much, candidly.
00:28:42.000But I did hear a rumor, we haven't confirmed it yet, that there were two jurors that showed up in pink this morning, but you are wearing some sort of, I'm not good with colors, pastel color ish.
00:29:19.000I'm not going to make it a gender war.
00:29:20.000Here's what I will say, though Dolly Parton is famously apolitical.
00:29:25.000And you wrote this great piece about why we can't let the left make Dolly Parton their socialist mascot.
00:29:32.000So I think it's really important because I've seen dozens and dozens of old clips from Dolly, and I think your take on this is exactly right.
00:29:40.000What did you see happening from the left and the right in the immediate aftermath of Dolly Parton?
00:29:45.000And why does it matter to you if both sides are claiming her or if one side's claiming her?
00:29:56.000And part of it was in defense of Dolly.
00:29:57.000So, what I saw happening in the immediate wake of her death is President Trump, who has at times made events that were maybe intended to be nonpartisan, a little bit partisan.
00:30:37.000But that is what the left immediately mobilized to try to do.
00:30:41.000So essentially, what they were arguing and have been arguing and are still arguing is that even though Dolly said she was not political, she really was.
00:30:50.000And we are going to tell you, for example, that she supported Black Lives Matter.
00:30:54.000So that's one of the things you'll see out there that Dolly supported Black Lives Matter.
00:31:06.000What do you want to say about Black Lives Matter?
00:31:08.000The star doesn't want to get canceled, particularly someone like Dolly also doesn't want to make a political statement because she has that commitment.
00:31:14.000So she says something very general, like, of course, Black Lives Matter.
00:31:17.000Do we think white people are the only ones who matter?
00:31:42.000The menswear guy who has a huge following on Twitter claimed that Dolly's song, And film nine to five, which she stridently and directly said was not meant to be political, was not meant to send a message about capitalism versus unions.
00:31:57.000She said it was just a funny story about some secretaries taking down a misogynist boss.
00:32:02.000Well, the menswear guy says, no, it's reflective of Marxist surplus labor theory.
00:32:09.000And so he is insisting that, no, no, no, even though she didn't realize it, this was a Marxist communist anthem.
00:32:14.000Well, Dolly would absolutely reject that.
00:32:16.000And what's so disgusting about it, Andrew, is they did this the minute she died.
00:32:21.000So, they disrespected her own chosen legacy the minute she died by mischaracterizing and misquoting her out of context.
00:32:29.000It's crazy that they had to be so eager to do this to me because it's not like they have a shortage of actually pretty famous celebrities that they could just point to as a left winger.
00:32:39.000But naturally, they need Dolly, who shuns this precisely because, as we discussed, she might be the last universally beloved American.
00:32:47.000Yeah, and the heart wants what the heart can't have, Megan.
00:32:50.000You know, and that's it's it's a totalizing ideology.
00:35:08.000But what they did, for example, is they took statements like that.
00:35:12.000They pressured, for example, Hollywood reporter Dolly when the North Carolina bathroom bill came up twice.
00:35:18.000They asked, you know, what do you have to say about the North Carolina bathroom bill?
00:35:21.000And she said something very general, like, well, I just think everybody wants to be themselves and I hope everybody can be who they want to be.
00:35:27.000And then ends with a joke, as she always does, which is, but I'm going to pee wherever I want to pee if I have to pee.
00:35:46.000She never said a word about that legislation.
00:35:48.000She did not join Bruce Springsteen or Bette Midler in saying she was going to boycott North Carolina.
00:35:54.000And even more importantly, Andrew, when Tennessee instituted its ban on drag performances in public and in front of children, Dolly, a Tennessee resident, said not one word.
00:36:04.000And when asked about it, once again, she deflected.
00:36:07.000She refused to say anything about the legislation.
00:36:10.000So every time the media tried to make her political, she refused.
00:36:16.000Megan Basham, I think your point is well made.
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00:37:52.000Every so often, a story comes along, and it reminds both of us about Charlie, because Charlie would talk about these things kind of in passing, and it never really made the air, but Maybe it did in passing again, but we never got to a point where we got to cover it.
00:39:07.000And some people say that even though there were a very large number of accusers, that it was, that this was actually a large moral panic hysteria, and he is in fact innocent.
00:39:19.000So, here to help us unpack this is John Ziegler.
00:39:22.000He is the host of the Death of Journalism podcast.
00:39:47.000First of all, thanks for having me on.
00:39:48.000Second of all, I want to give a shout out to Charlie Kirk because Charlie Kirk was by far the most prominent commentator to express skepticism about this only a couple of weeks before he was assassinated, showing what remarkable instincts Charlie had because he didn't know, as far as I'm aware, all of the facts that I do, having Covered this and investigated this for 15 years, he just understood that the story didn't make any sense.
00:40:17.000And kudos for Charlie for having the courage to express that.
00:40:21.000And boy, I wish he was around to be part of this interview because I really wanted to tell him how right he was.
00:40:28.000Because I have investigated this case for 15 years and I began it back when this moral panic started in November of 2011, presuming, like everybody else did, that Jerry Sandusky was obviously guilty.
00:40:41.000I had questions about the so called Penn State cover up theory, but I presume, for the sake of argument, well, everybody couldn't possibly be wrong.
00:40:51.000Why is Penn State pleading guilty, firing Joe Paterno?
00:40:55.000Jerry Sandusky has to be guilty of at least some of this, right?
00:40:59.000But then, as I got deeper and deeper into it, and to be clear, I am an ardent anti conspiracy person.
00:41:06.000I despise conspiracies, I despise the Candace Owenization of American commentary.
00:41:13.000I am an ardent anti conspiracy person.
00:41:15.000There's no major conspiracy theory here.
00:41:17.000In fact, the conspiracy theorists are those that believe that Jerry Sandusky got away with this for 40 years and Penn State covered it up when there is absolutely positively no evidence of it, when there should be mountains of it.
00:41:31.000And I believe that I, through this podcast with the benefit of hindsight, have told an alternative story which provides a far more logical scenario that is based in facts and evidence and basic human common sense.
00:41:48.000That tells you that this was a moral panic, the likes of which we saw with the COVID panic, the likes we saw with Derek Chauvin, that this is an innocent man.
00:41:57.000And the most remarkable part of this, guys, is it's not close.
00:42:02.000I've not lost a minute of sleep since I went out on the Today Show in 2014 and Matt Lauer declared my career to be over because I, along with Dottie Sandusky, said that we believe strongly that Jerry Sandusky is innocent.
00:42:16.000I've not lost a minute of sleep because of that position because I know I'm right.
00:43:27.000Because everybody that testified against Jerry Sandusky, including the main only witness, so called former Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueery, All got paid many millions of dollars, and the eight men, not boys, these were adult men from terrible backgrounds who testified against him.
00:43:48.000All got paid many millions of dollars.
00:43:51.000Let's be clear why everyone believed them.
00:43:53.000Everyone believed them for two basic reasons number one was the moral panic that caused Penn State to fire Joe Paterno and therefore be perceived as pleading guilty when they didn't know what the heck they were even talking about.
00:44:07.000Jerry Sandusky had not coached at Penn State for well over a decade at that point.
00:44:12.000Penn State's Board of Trustees had no clue other than the fact that the media was bearing down on them and they needed to do something.
00:44:20.000So they got rid of a very old coach, Joe Paterno, just before a home game that was going to turn into a PR disaster for them.
00:44:27.000Once Penn State is perceived as pleading guilty and they pay out $130 million without any vetting whatsoever, it's all over.
00:44:37.000For Jerry Sandusky to get a fair trial because everyone presumes that eight men can't be lying.
00:44:42.000Well, to be clear, when Jerry Sandusky was arrested, there were six men who were accusing him of various degrees of child sexual abuse out of hundreds and hundreds of interviews with former at risk boys who were from terrible backgrounds, many of whom had been sexually abused for real, but not by Jerry Sandusky, by other members of their family.
00:45:06.000And out of those hundreds and hundreds of interviews, They were able to cobble together six guys who were adults who had major financial problems and criminal histories and had influence by plaintiffs' attorneys who figured out, you know what, let me find out where this is going.
00:45:30.000After they testified anonymously, because the media protected their identities, they got paid millions of dollars for stories that on their own, Never would have held up.
00:45:42.000What if you take any one of these allegations, they are not credible, John.
00:47:05.000That was the final nail in the coffin for me when I read Aaron Fisher's book, because it is absolutely preposterous.
00:47:11.000What I believe happened with Aaron Fisher was that Aaron Fisher's mother realized that this could be very, very good for them.
00:47:18.000And we have a witness to the very, very first time that Aaron ever complained about Jerry Sandusky to his mother and how she told that neighbor that immediately her first response was, I'm going to own that M. Effer's house.
00:47:33.000That's what the first thing she said to the neighbor was when Aaron Fisher, as a 15, 16 year old boy who was already dating lots of girls and didn't want to hang out with Jerry Sandusky anymore, figured out that the best way to do that was to tell his mother that Jerry makes me feel uncomfortable.
00:47:50.000Not that he sexually abused me, he makes me feel uncomfortable.
00:47:55.000They went to the school district, not to the police.
00:47:58.000And the school district rightfully didn't believe them.
00:48:01.000It was only after a multi year investigation where they couldn't find anybody to back up Aaron Fisher.
00:48:06.000Well, they're about to give up on this investigation.
00:48:09.000The attorney general's office is they have Mike McQueery, the so called witness in this case, fall into their lap under highly suspicious circumstances the day after Tom Corbett is elected governor of the state of Pennsylvania, which is really bizarre.
00:48:25.000And that's when everything changes because now all of a sudden they have a witness and an accuser and they can go on this fishing expedition with all these former at risk kids, interview hundreds of people, and as I've already told you.
00:48:37.000A couple of them, a few, are cobbled together because they realize, and they're gamblers.
00:48:43.000These are literally gamblers who realize, you know what, this is worth a bet.
00:48:47.000And it turned out paying off to the tune of millions of dollars for them.
00:48:53.000I think that's the other very iconic image from that scandal is that if I remember right, it's that he was in a locker room at Penn State after this period.
00:49:07.000It was like when it was empty otherwise.
00:49:09.000And he heard, I think the claim was, He heard a slapping sound in the shower, like flesh on flesh.
00:49:16.000I think this is what I remember hearing he looked in and he saw Jerry Sandusky in a compromising position with a boy seven or eight years old.
00:49:26.000I think a lot of people remember that.
00:49:34.000What's the story there with Mike McQueery?
00:49:36.000Well, Mike McQueery's testimony changed quite a bit, especially after Joe Paterno died and there was no one that could check him anymore.
00:49:43.000And Mike ended up making many, many millions of dollars in this case.
00:49:47.000Almost everything you just said there is not accurate.
00:49:50.000The first episode of our podcast, with the benefit of hindsight, is called The Date.
00:49:55.000And all you need to understand about the McQueery episode is how the date dramatically changed in a way that is 100% inconsistent with having witnessed a sexual assault of any kind.
00:50:07.000And the reality is that the first date that Mike McQueery testified to was admitted to be totally wrong by the prosecution because they later found emails.
00:50:19.000He got the date, the month, and the year totally wrong.
00:50:22.000He thought it happened after 9 11 when it actually happened before 9 11.
00:50:26.000And that would have been bad enough when that's the only witness in your case and you're putting everything on this one account and the date is that wrong.
00:50:34.000But after an enormous amount of investigation, I believe I have proven that the second date is actually wrong as well.
00:50:41.000And that Mike McQueery waited six weeks before not going to police, but going to Joe Paterno.
00:50:50.000And he didn't go to see Joe Paterno because he was worried about Jerry Sadovsky having sexually abused a young boy.
00:50:56.000He went to go see Joe Paterno because the day before he learned that there was an open job on the Penn State coaching staff, the wide receivers coaching position.
00:51:04.000And as a graduate assistant, Mike needed a job, a job that he would not get, which blows apart the cover up theory, but which he would get three years later, which proves that's the job he wanted.
00:51:15.000Because Joe Paterno was not told about a sexual assault.
00:51:19.000He was told that Jerry Sedusky had been in a shower with a boy.
00:51:33.000But it was with a 13 year old boy that Jerry Sandusky considered to be his son.
00:51:38.000A boy who would later, as a sergeant in the Marine Corps, invite Jerry Sandusky to his wedding and take a picture arm in arm with him.
00:51:47.000A boy, when Mike McCleary's story became public, he went to Joe Amendola, Jerry Sandusky's defense attorney, and gave it a lengthy statement saying, Michael Query is not telling the truth.
00:52:54.000I believe that Aaron Fisher, victim one, was abused by his stepdad, a guy by the name of Eric Daniels, who Who ended up pleading guilty for 100 counts of child sexual abuse.
00:53:03.000But I believe the mom realized that they could get money from Jerry.
00:53:07.000I didn't think they think Penn State, by the way.
00:53:08.000I think they thought about the high school first or maybe the second mile charity.
00:53:12.000And then that investigation, that starts this investigation that goes nowhere, nowhere for two years until Mike McQueery comes into it.
00:53:22.000And Mike McQueery brings Penn State into the story.
00:53:26.000And that's where this story becomes political.
00:53:28.000And look, I'm a conservative Republican.
00:53:31.000But Republican politics plays a huge part in this because Tom Corbett was the attorney general who started this investigation.
00:53:38.000I already told you he won the governorship.
00:53:41.000He had a vendetta against the president of Penn State, Graham Spanier, who is a very liberal administrator.
00:53:48.000They had a fight over education funding.
00:53:50.000And once McQueery brings Penn State into this, I believe Corbett realizes this is a way to get Spanier.
00:55:12.000Then you've got the second witness, the assistant coach, that saw him in a shower with a boy he considered as a son, felt uncomfortable about it.
00:55:20.000Then these allegations pick up steam at some point, and they piece this all together.
00:55:24.000They go on a fishing expedition, find these other guys that get paid millions of dollars that all have sketchy backgrounds to frame this guy.
00:55:33.000I don't like using the word framing, although I'll say it's called framing paterno, which was a mistake on my part because that was a decision made many, many years ago, but because that implies conspiracy.
00:55:43.000This was a conspiracy of self interest.
00:55:46.000Everyone in this case acted in their own self interest, including the prosecution, including the accusers, including the media, including the Penn State Board of Trustees.
00:55:58.000Everybody had a perverse self interest, including, by the way, the Paterno family to this day has a perverse self interest to throw Jerry Sandusky under the bus.
00:56:08.000All of which we explain in our epic podcast with the benefit of hindsight.
00:56:12.000I understand that to people who have not followed this, this seems bizarre, but if you really break it down, it makes perfect sense every step of the way, and especially once we've seen what happened with the COVID panic and other stories like it.
00:56:44.000I don't believe this hearing is going to happen.
00:56:46.000I don't believe, I think that the Sandusky team will be smart enough to cancel this hearing because I have interviewed this accuser, Ryan Rittmeyer, so called victim number 10, and I don't believe he's fully recanted.
00:56:58.000I think he's a very, very bad person who is deeply invested in the idea that he was somehow abused by Jerry Sandusky.
00:57:05.000It's Clear to me, having interviewed him for over two hours, he was not abused by Jerry Sandusky.
00:57:09.000But I think this hearing, if it happens, would be a disaster for the Sandusky defense team.
00:57:18.000Well, thank you for giving me the opportunity to do so because my objective here has always been the truth.
00:57:24.000And so everyone thinks I'm the Jerry Sandusky defender, so I must be really excited about this hearing.
00:57:29.000I'm actually trying to get this hearing stopped.
00:57:31.000And I believe I've been successful in doing that.
00:57:34.000It's not official yet, but I don't think this hearing is going to happen.
00:57:36.000Because this guy, Ryan Rittmeyer, this is the classic catch 22 of this entire situation or the checkmate circumstances that Jerry Sandusky faces.
00:57:44.000Because all these at risk kids, the ones that took the bait, they're terrible people.
00:58:09.000Now, he does say all sorts of very good things for the defense that he was manipulated by the prosecution, that Penn State didn't vet his claims, that he lied in his testimony, that he committed perjury, that Jerry Sandusky didn't get a fair trial.
00:58:23.000But he can't let go of one allegation that keeps changing its location.
00:58:29.000It's very vague, it's, in my view, total BS because there is a value in him being a Jerry Sandusky victim because it basically is a get out of jail.
00:58:40.000Free card for all the bad things that he's ever done in his life.
00:58:43.000Everything he ever did after the age of 13 is erased.
00:58:47.000And if he gives that up, that is a major problem for him, not to mention that he's not trustworthy.
00:59:20.000It's dreadful to contemplate if you're correct and he's totally innocent because there's also a book on this called The Most Hated Man in America, and that's a well chosen title because he kind of is considered he's probably the most hated person in America.
01:01:55.000I didn't work with him every day, but the void without Charlie has been dramatic.
01:02:01.000Well, I'm looking at the forward to your book.
01:02:03.000Was written by Erica, and I love the way this opens because it reminds us that Charlie was a guy who was excited to meet people he admired, and you were a person he admired.
01:03:21.000And then the next day, we all know what happened.
01:03:23.000So, yeah, the book we wrote, The War on Reality, was actually in progress before the murder.
01:03:32.000And of course, when Charlie was murdered, we dedicated the book to him because Charlie was fighting for reality when so many people were fighting against it.
01:03:42.000And so the first chapter is all about what happened leading up to that day, what happened that day, and then what happened since.
01:05:31.000You know, It's completely unfair, and that's like the understatement of the century that, um, what she's gone through.
01:05:38.000But she's, and I tell people as well if you understood the inner workings of Turning Point, you would understand, you know, that she might have been the only person on this planet that could have brought the organization together in that moment and really like saved it and made it keep going, you know, and really grow.
01:05:58.000By the way, people, you know, if you look on X, you know, it's like people want to.
01:06:02.000Create their own reality that there is a turning point's demise or something like that.
01:06:07.000This couldn't be further from the truth.
01:06:08.000The organization's growing, and we have over a million students now that are part of the turning point in one way, shape, or form or the other.
01:06:15.000And that's thanks to Erica Kirk and obviously the legacy of Charlie Kirk.
01:06:19.000But had she not stepped in in that time with great bravery and tremendous courage in the midst of unthinkable suffering, you know, I don't know that all this is still here.
01:06:37.000I was going to say, I couldn't agree with that more.
01:06:40.000And I'm not just saying this, but you guys too, both yet able to continue this radio program in the middle of a storm of what I think is just demonic.
01:06:54.000You know, Jesus said Satan's a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy.
01:07:01.000We had a murder last 9 10, and after a memorial service where more people heard the gospel than any other time in human history at one time since then.
01:07:11.000We've had lies, accusations, and slander seeking to steal, kill, and destroy.
01:07:16.000And people don't believe in the demonic.
01:07:18.000I don't know how it could be more obvious, gentlemen.
01:08:05.000But we've seen it with so much that has happened since.
01:08:09.000And I think there's so much confusion online.
01:08:12.000And there's so much, you know, people, Putting out messages that, you know, Putin's good and China's good and Iran's good and America's bad.
01:09:33.000And what we're trying to do is shed light on that.
01:09:35.000And hopefully, we're shedding the proper light on it because when you continue to deny reality, not only do you get hurt, all the people around you do as well.
01:09:46.000So we're trying to bring people back to reality.
01:09:49.000Chapter 5, you'd say, Why is there a war on reality?
01:09:55.000Well, the answer is the human heart because we want what we want.
01:09:58.000You know, in fact, this goes back to the Garden of Eden.
01:10:02.000Did God really say, you know, that Satan's lied to everybody?
01:10:05.000Did God really say, you know, because I'm going to take you in another direction.
01:10:09.000But Paul talks about it in Romans chapter 1 that we suppress the truth and unrighteousness to go our own way.
01:10:14.000You know, we know God exists, his invisible qualities are clearly seen, but quite often we don't like it.
01:10:21.000This is a question I ask on every college campus.
01:10:25.000Charlie and I talked about this a lot.
01:10:27.000Whenever we get somebody that's not a believer in Jesus, not a Christian, I normally ask them, if Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
01:10:35.000And 99 times out of 10, as we say in Mississippi, the answer is no.
01:10:40.000No, I, no, if it was true, I wouldn't be a Christian.
01:10:43.000And I say to them, wait, you claim to be reasonable?
01:10:46.000How is it reasonable that you wouldn't believe something that turned out to be true?
01:10:54.000People are not on a truth quest or on a happiness quest.
01:10:57.000And they're just going to believe whatever they think is going to make them happy.
01:11:00.000You know, so they're not concerned about truth.
01:11:02.000Yeah, Frank, we had this whole, you might have seen it online where we had one of the churches we went to in El Paso over the weekend had a, An Israel flag and an American flag.
01:11:49.000And I think you're pinpointing the reason why, because it's not a head problem, it's a heart problem.
01:11:55.000Frank Turek, author of the new book, War on Reality, a book he started before 910, but Frank was there on 910 along with Blake and many other of our friends and colleagues around here.
01:12:09.000And he's going to be going back to UVU on.
01:12:13.000September 10th, and he's going to be speaking.
01:13:30.000As long as it takes, we're determined to show all of the in person court proceedings of the Robinson case because we know a lot of you care a lot about following that.
01:14:31.000Sure, you do you works when you're picking ice cream flavors, but once you decide to scam your grandma, torture city, or double park at Costco, suddenly we're all wishing that you didn't do you quite so hard.
01:15:44.000If government gives you rights, they're not rights, they're just preferences because some other government can come in next and change those.
01:15:54.000And as Mike Johnson pointed out on that tour you and I did, Andrew, not long ago, that the unique thing about America is we got rid of the king and we just said that rights came directly from God.
01:16:08.000Two people, and that the people really govern themselves based on the rights given to them by God.
01:16:15.000So that's what the book one of the aspects that the book covers.
01:16:19.000You say here that, and by the way, amen, amen to that.
01:16:23.000You say here that the internet is the greatest tool that Satan's ever got.
01:17:42.000We've, in this whole battle for reality post 910, You know, Grok, which, you know, we support Grok, we support Elon, what he's doing at X, but Grok has been gamed multiple times to lie to people.
01:17:55.000So the last questions about, you know, was the Aspen video AI, you know, with Charlie talking about Erica being the successor at Turning Point.
01:18:07.000So many people, they, one, people will basically try to game AI so that it will believe false things.
01:18:16.000And then they will use the repeating of false things by the AI as proof that it's true.
01:18:21.000So many people are just eager to outsource their thinking to a machine.
01:18:25.000And the truth is, once you decide to do that, why are you even alive?
01:18:30.000You've chosen to outsource everything about your existence to a robot made by a company in Silicon Valley.
01:18:38.000Why do you even let me tell you that's almost how I want to respond to this?
01:18:41.000Well, it's an alternate reality, is what it is, and that's why we're trying to bring people back to reality.
01:18:47.000There is a war on reality on so many different fronts.
01:18:50.000And you know, 10 years ago, if you said some of the things that are said now, like men can have babies, or abortion is health care, or uh, you know, math is racist, that just doesn't add up with me, gentlemen.
01:19:00.000But if you said those things, you know, 10 years ago, people would go, Are you crazy?
01:19:04.000And now there are people going, Am I crazy or is the world crazy?
01:19:41.000Because I think it's the key to the entire culture war.
01:19:44.000In fact, there's a chart that begins on page 192, Andrew, that I think once you see that chart, you're going to immediately see why there's a culture war.
01:19:54.000And you're also going to see one reason why Charlie was murdered.
01:19:57.000And let me just break it down this way Cultural Marxism, the view that's kind of taken over much of the left in our country, believes that there are two categories of people there are oppressed people and there are oppressor people.
01:20:11.000And ironically, you're in one of those two categories, not based on your personal behavior.
01:20:18.000You could be as virtuous as, say, Mother Teresa.
01:20:21.000However, if you have certain qualities, you're automatically considered an oppressor.
01:20:26.000For example, as the chart points out, if you're white, rich, like owning class, if you're a man, if you're a heterosexual, if you're a Christian, if you're able bodied, if you're a citizen, if you're a white settler, you're automatically considered an oppressor.
01:20:42.000On the other hand, if you're a person of color, you're poor, middle class, you're LGBTQ, you're a non Christian, you're disabled, you're an immigrant, or you get bonus points if you're an illegal immigrant, you're automatically considered oppressed.
01:20:57.000And it doesn't matter what your personal behavior is.
01:21:00.000And if I go back to those oppressor qualities white, owning class, men, heterosexual, Christian, able bodied citizen, white settler Charlie Kirk met just about every one of those characteristics.
01:21:13.000It wasn't because his behavior had nothing to do with his behavior, but it had to do with those qualities or those identity groups he was a part of.
01:21:21.000And that's why the left looked at him as an oppressor.
01:21:25.000This is why the alleged killer, Tyler Robinson, said, He's a fascist.
01:21:50.000That he was an oppressor, that he had all these qualities right here.
01:21:54.000So I think once you understand this chart on 192, you'll see oh, now I get why I'm called a racist or why I'm called, I have white privilege, whatever that means, or I shouldn't be heard because I'm a heterosexual white Christian male.
01:22:10.000It's just critical theory, it's just cultural Marxism gone amok.
01:22:27.000Let me mention one other thing that this book comes out on the eighth.
01:22:31.000But if people pre order it and they go to thewaronreality.com and put their little receipt in the box there, we're going to send you chapter 10 right away.
01:22:38.000And when you see this chapter, and particularly that chart on 192, 193, you'll go, oh, light bulb.
01:22:44.000By the way, this is where you get gays for Gaza.
01:22:57.000Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
01:22:59.000Do you see that Muslims and LGBTQ people are all considered oppressed?
01:23:06.000What apparently the LGBTQ people don't get, or at least some of them anyway, that are saying they're gays for Gaza, they don't understand that if Islam takes over, they're going to be the first one to lose their rights, their so called rights.
01:23:17.000They're going to be the first one persecuted.
01:23:19.000But this is the kind of futile thinking you get when you think in categories oppressed, oppressor, rather than judging people based on the content of their character, as Martin Luther King said, not the color of their skin.
01:23:31.000Or, as the Bible says, that we're to treat people fairly, impartially.
01:23:37.000Don't favor the rich or favor the poor.
01:23:40.000Just treat people as they are, as their behavior warrants.
01:23:44.000When you get into this kind of oppressed oppressor nonsense, everything goes bad.
01:23:48.000Frank, you're a great communicator and you're a great defender of the Christian faith.
01:23:55.000Why do you believe Christianity is real?
01:24:06.000Yeah, I'll give you three short arguments.
01:24:09.000One, the universe exists, and the universe had a beginning.
01:24:13.000Space, time, and matter had a beginning.
01:24:14.000If space, time, and matter had a beginning, whatever created space, time, and matter must transcend space, time, and matter.
01:24:19.000So you've got to have at least a cause that's spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal, and intelligent.
01:24:28.000And that sounds a lot like the God of the Bible, but we don't know it's the God of the Bible yet because we don't know anything about Jesus at this point.
01:24:37.000And this creator cause, by the way, is also super intelligent because the universe is fine tuned.
01:24:42.000And this creator God also is moral because we have a moral law written on our hearts.
01:24:47.000And wherever there's a moral law, there has to be a moral law giver.
01:24:51.000So we can show, without even referencing the Bible, that there exists a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, moral, personal, intelligent creator who created and sustains all things.
01:25:01.000Well, how do we know it's the God of the Bible?
01:25:04.000You then have to look at the historical evidence for Jesus.
01:25:07.000And if you look at the historical evidence for Jesus, I think you can show beyond any reasonable doubt that not only did he exist and die on a cross, he actually rose from the dead.
01:25:15.000And one of the reasons we know this, Andrew, is because the folks that wrote all this down and then paid the biggest price for it were actually people who didn't believe a guy could claim to be God and rise from the dead.