The Charlie Kirk Show - The Collapse of the "Right-Wing Violence" Scam

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

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00:01:18.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It's April 28th, 2026.

00:01:22.000 We are here at the YRefi Studio in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:26.000 Let me get centered up.

00:01:27.000 Blake, how are we doing?

00:01:28.000 We're doing spectacular today.

00:01:30.000 Well, I agree because we had one mission today.

00:01:34.000 One mission was to figure out a way to seamlessly include A months old clip of Ilhan Omar misreading World War II as World War 11.

00:01:46.000 And boom, presto.

00:01:47.000 Yeah, the vice president himself delivered.

00:01:50.000 The vice president, JD Vance himself, has delivered the perfect tie in.

00:01:55.000 And the tie in is that there are DOJ led raids happening in Minneapolis, Minnesota, targeting fraud.

00:02:04.000 Now, these are not DHS raids.

00:02:06.000 This is not an ICE raid.

00:02:08.000 These are Department of Justice led raids. 0.86

00:02:11.000 Raids, the FBI, on a crackdown of mostly Somali run companies in the Minneapolis area that have been defrauding U.S. taxpayers.

00:02:21.000 So we'll just give you a quick little summary right here. 0.77

00:02:25.000 SOP 41.

00:02:26.000 Large scale raids targeting federal fraud currently underway.

00:02:31.000 Federal agents seen leaving the Quality Learning Center.

00:02:35.000 Federal agents just going in and out of the building collecting evidence as part of the DOJ's fraud investigation.

00:02:42.000 In Minnesota.

00:02:43.000 Take a look at this video here.

00:02:45.000 Sources tell Fox that federal agents are raiding about 22 businesses across Minneapolis this morning.

00:02:53.000 And sources say many of them are tied to Somali owned operations.

00:02:57.000 Somali run operations.

00:03:00.000 The weirdest part about that whole clip is that it feels weird to call it the Quality Learning Center. 1.00

00:03:06.000 Is that the name?

00:03:06.000 It's not the name.

00:03:07.000 But it's not the name.

00:03:08.000 The name has now become the Quality Learning Center.

00:03:11.000 If you are going to Create a company that says you are a quality learning center and you misspell the word learning.

00:03:19.000 There's more than a few layers of weirdness there, of irony.

00:03:24.000 And so the Quality Leary Center is one of the 20 locations that have been raided in Minneapolis.

00:03:30.000 But this is what's great about this.

00:03:32.000 And I want to give a massive hat tip to the vice president here because this was a portfolio item, domestic focus.

00:03:40.000 It's after what happened with Nick Shirley, who we've had on the show a couple of times.

00:03:43.000 Actually, Blake just interviewed him in Phoenix not too long ago.

00:03:47.000 This was a moment that the administration could capitalize on.

00:03:51.000 So, right, we've got all these distractions abroad, foreign, all this stuff.

00:03:55.000 He's meeting with the King of England, King Charles, today, which actually will be a very interesting story, and I want to get into it in a bit.

00:04:01.000 But you've got all of this going on internationally, and the base is desperate for domestic wins.

00:04:06.000 They want something done here at home.

00:04:09.000 They want to see their tax dollars be protected.

00:04:11.000 They want to see the border closed.

00:04:13.000 They want to see accountability in COVID.

00:04:15.000 They want to see accountability for the Russia hoax.

00:04:17.000 They want all of that, right?

00:04:20.000 And we've got news on that, too, by the way.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, on the COVID stuff.

00:04:23.000 This is all the flip side of basically the border that everyone saw foreigners flooding into the U.S. under Biden, under every prior administration, just being given.

00:04:34.000 Free housing, a free trip to basically whatever city. 0.69

00:04:37.000 They got a better deal than they did.

00:04:39.000 And on the flip side, they've also seen there's a sense America's got scams going on everywhere.

00:04:44.000 You can go to any downtown and you see a lot of businesses that are very consistently in the same handful of industries.

00:04:52.000 You very rarely see activity at them.

00:04:54.000 In Minneapolis, it's famously daycares.

00:04:56.000 In Los Angeles, it's famous hospices.

00:04:59.000 In New York, they have these kind of senior activity adult daycare centers.

00:05:04.000 That's a big scam that I'm sure the vice president will look into.

00:05:07.000 And All of this is happening around the country. 0.98

00:05:09.000 Everyone's got the sense if you're in basically a foreign immigrant group that's clannish, doesn't talk to the police that much, you can get infinity money from the government because nobody's checking it. 0.97

00:05:19.000 Now the vice president is checking it. 1.00

00:05:21.000 Well, and so I want to just assure you guys.

00:05:24.000 So if you're JD Vance, all right, you've got, let's just understand the dynamic.

00:05:29.000 So JD is in a situation where he's now publicly, because of the New York Times article, sort of put himself in a position of being against foreign intervention, okay?

00:05:38.000 That puts him.

00:05:39.000 At a little bit of odds with the president right now because the president made the decision to go into Iran. 0.91

00:05:45.000 So, if you're kind of assessing how to best manage the portfolio that you've been given, you want to go all in on this fraud thing.

00:05:53.000 And I think JD sees this as a massive opportunity to push deep into an area that is of great concern to the American voters, especially the conservative base.

00:06:05.000 And I love that he's sinking his teeth in.

00:06:07.000 He is absolutely going full bore ahead because it's like every week there's a new announcement.

00:06:12.000 So, for example, we've got also previously, I want to make sure I get the clips just right.

00:06:19.000 We previously, I think this was last week, if not 10 days ago, the vice president advanced that the anti fraud task force that he chairs suspended 447 hospice providers and 23 home health agencies in Los Angeles alone.

00:06:36.000 The total fraud by these particularly fake providers is estimated to be over 600.

00:06:42.000 Million dollars.

00:06:44.000 So he's got the Learning Center now on his list and working with the DOJ and the FBI.

00:06:49.000 And by the way, his urgency, his leadership is so critical in this way.

00:06:53.000 Then they announced that they're looking at $2 trillion in Medicare and Medicaid.

00:06:57.000 They're going through it all $2 trillion, $101 billion of SNAP benefits, $100 billion in the SBA loans, $64 billion in public housing, $43.5 billion in unemployment insurance, $16 billion in the Needy Families program.

00:07:14.000 It doesn't mean that some of the people receiving these benefits are not worthy.

00:07:18.000 It's not legit.

00:07:20.000 Some of them might be exactly who we're trying to help, but there is a lot of fraud in there.

00:07:24.000 And I love that we are seeing updates week by week.

00:07:27.000 And we're not just seeing updates, we're seeing video of raids happening at the Quality Learning Center now in Somalia.

00:07:34.000 And there's so much stuff to dig into stuff that flashes by as a headline and then you forget about.

00:07:40.000 So you mentioned SNAP, for example.

00:07:43.000 And I saw a stat the other day in 2000, about 3% of Massachusetts children were on SNAP.

00:07:49.000 Now it's 15%. 0.58

00:07:50.000 And another thing, another one of those communities that's tied to a lot of fraud claims, there was a grocery store run by Haitians in Massachusetts where it was just entirely a SNAP based fraud operation. 0.85

00:08:03.000 And one of the things they were literally doing is they were importing food aid that had been sent to Haiti back into the United States so that they could hawk it to get SNAP fraud. 0.86

00:08:15.000 There's so many of these things.

00:08:16.000 It's such low hanging fruit for the government to go after.

00:08:20.000 And it's a good win, and it's a good way to communicate the idea that this administration is focused on ordinary Americans, focused on breaking apart the many, many, many ways that American life feels like a scam today, like you're a sucker if you just pay your taxes and follow the law.

00:08:38.000 So, what we want is an America where everybody wants to play by the rules because they know if they break the law, if they try and defraud taxpayers and scam the system, they are going to be held accountable, and everybody buys in.

00:08:51.000 That's what you want.

00:08:52.000 But you don't buy in when somebody else is getting a free.

00:08:54.000 Free ride.

00:08:56.000 You don't do it because all of a sudden you're like, how come I'm putting myself through all of this hell?

00:09:01.000 I shouldn't.

00:09:02.000 I should, you know what?

00:09:03.000 The system is rigged against me.

00:09:05.000 I should rip it off.

00:09:07.000 That's what Hassan Piker and the likes of them want you to believe.

00:09:11.000 Guess what?

00:09:12.000 There is good when you put off your satisfaction, when you have delayed gratification, when you save your money, when you work hard, when you raise your family, when you do things the right way, when you love your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, when you do things right.

00:09:27.000 You should be rewarded in America.

00:09:29.000 That's the deal.

00:09:30.000 That's the compact.

00:09:31.000 Let's get back to that.

00:09:32.000 That's why I love this story so much.

00:09:34.000 And again, bravo to JD Vance for leading the charge.

00:09:37.000 His leadership, I want you to understand, is so critically important.

00:09:40.000 It makes the whole government roll out like a red carpet in front of him.

00:09:43.000 So it's super, super important that he's taken the lead here.

00:09:46.000 Again, I started this show saying we were looking for an excuse to play the Ilhan Omar clip.

00:09:51.000 Because as you know, World War II can be written in different ways.

00:09:56.000 Sometimes you'll see it World War and the numeral two, sometimes you'll see just like a Like LL, basically.

00:10:03.000 Roman numerals, right?

00:10:03.000 Roman numerals.

00:10:05.000 Of the two.

00:10:06.000 And so this clip was unearthed from months ago.

00:10:10.000 We somehow missed it.

00:10:11.000 And then somebody unearthed it and it went viral again.

00:10:14.000 And we thought, what the heck? 0.96

00:10:16.000 What a great opportunity to absolutely troll one of the worst members of Congress who should not be in Congress, who deserves to be expelled from Congress, who hates the country, who is an ingrate, Ilhan the ingrate Omar, who is living here. 0.97

00:10:32.000 High on the hog off of American generosity, and she despises us for it. 0.88

00:10:38.000 43.

00:10:39.000 I want to thank my partner in this, Senator Hirono, for her leadership in this work to repeal the outdated and dangerous Alien Enemies Act of 1798.

00:10:53.000 The last time the Alien Enemies Act was invoked, it was used to detain and deport German, Japanese, Italian immigrants during World War 11.

00:11:06.000 It's so great. 1.00

00:11:07.000 What's so great is she even pauses briefly, like something's a little weirder, and then forges ahead.

00:11:14.000 She does correct, if you watch the full clip, she corrects herself shortly after, but it doesn't really matter that much.

00:11:20.000 Flubbing World War II as World War XI should not happen because, but you can see how it happens because she's basically just reading it word by word off the paper.

00:11:29.000 It's a little anchorman moment.

00:11:30.000 She just doesn't know what she's talking about, such that she could ad lib on the fly, where you should just know, oh, German, Italian, Italian.

00:11:38.000 Japanese, oh, that means World War II.

00:11:40.000 Doesn't know that, doesn't register in her mind.

00:11:43.000 You know, some of the crass commentators online are going to make references to IQ rates in Somalia.

00:11:43.000 Best and brightest.

00:11:50.000 We're not going to go there, okay?

00:11:52.000 That's not what we're saying.

00:11:53.000 Okay, Charles.

00:11:54.000 We're just saying that Ilhan Omar is ill equipped and ill suited to be serving in Congress, an illustrious, prestigious post, and she should be dealt with swiftly.

00:12:06.000 I did ask, it reminded me of this clip.

00:12:09.000 We asked Comer, James Comer, who is the chair of House Oversight.

00:12:14.000 Briefly about this because there's, I don't know if anybody in the audience has been paying attention, but there's been a slew of departures from the House because of ethics complaints.

00:12:26.000 SOP 48.

00:12:27.000 Well, again, thank you for leading the charge here, Congressman.

00:12:30.000 It's great to see you again.

00:12:31.000 Come back soon.

00:12:33.000 The House Oversight, powerful role.

00:12:35.000 You guys got all kinds of stuff going on this week, by the way.

00:12:37.000 You're voting to kick out Congressman left and right, and I'm, you know, I'm kind of here for it.

00:12:41.000 If you have an update on Ilhan Omar, let me know, sir.

00:12:44.000 Well, she's in a lot of trouble, and we're doing everything we can to drain the swamp.

00:12:49.000 Ah, so she's in a lot of trouble.

00:12:51.000 We can hope, we can hope.

00:12:52.000 I mean, there's a lot of things they could get at.

00:12:54.000 The classic story with Omar, of course, is her alleged seems more likely than not incestuous marriage to her brother.

00:13:03.000 For those who've forgotten that one, this is all that was all uncovered by those fellows at Powerline blog who we've had on here.

00:13:08.000 And this is apparently big, I don't even want to say urban legend, it's a big story within the Somali community in Minneapolis because Omar she had this long religious marriage only within her community and was never legal.

00:13:22.000 With Ahmed Hersey. 0.57

00:13:23.000 That appears to have been normal religious Islamic marriage.

00:13:26.000 They had several children.

00:13:28.000 Then they separated, and she legally, but not religiously, married this fellow Ahmed Nur Saeed Elmi, who was a British national who came to the US to attend college.

00:13:40.000 But the claim is that if you just look at his name, basically he just is her brother.

00:13:47.000 Then they ended up in different countries because they were in refugee camps in Somalia.

00:13:51.000 Very long story.

00:13:52.000 And Apparently, the claim is she would have just had a fake marriage with him to get better housing at the University of North Dakota.

00:13:58.000 And it's so comical because the Star Tribune, the Washington Post, they'll do these fake investigations where they'll just go, well, you know, Omar says it didn't happen and we don't have records from Somalia.

00:14:10.000 So there's just no way to check.

00:14:12.000 It's just not possible.

00:14:14.000 But yet, we should just let these people into our.

00:14:17.000 Okay.

00:14:18.000 Regardless if it's true or not, Blake, the fact that they are saying there aren't enough record keeping in Somalia to prove it one way or the other is. 1.00

00:14:28.000 Actually, exhibit A of why we shouldn't be letting these people into our country. 1.00

00:14:32.000 If you are from a country that can't even manage your own books, you can't record keep, I don't care. 1.00

00:14:38.000 I don't want you here because I don't know you. 1.00

00:14:41.000 And, matter of fact, that goes for a lot of different countries, by the way.

00:14:45.000 And good on the Trump administration. 0.74

00:14:46.000 We talked about the fraud win, we can talk about the immigration win. 0.61

00:14:49.000 There's a lot of countries that have basically been put on the blacklist that they are not allowed into the country.

00:14:55.000 So these things are happening quietly behind the scenes.

00:14:57.000 So, for all you accelerationists out there that want to burn it all down, well, listen.

00:15:02.000 We're stopping a lot of this stuff before it gets here now.

00:15:04.000 And that didn't happen before.

00:15:06.000 And it won't happen if you have a Democrat at the highest office.

00:15:08.000 And there's more we should find.

00:15:09.000 We'd be remiss if we wouldn't mention, and this might have even been what Komar was talking about.

00:15:13.000 Ilan Omar's also got sketchy financial stuff right now.

00:15:16.000 Why wouldn't she?

00:15:17.000 She, as reported in the Wall Street Journal, she recently revised her net worth down from $30 million to under $100,000.

00:15:27.000 And she and her husband said, oh, yeah, that was an error by our accountant.

00:15:31.000 Yeah, my accountant makes $30 million errors.

00:15:35.000 And one's net worth all the time. 1.00

00:15:36.000 That sounds like you have a Somali fraudster accountant that conveniently did some cooking of the books there for you. 1.00

00:15:43.000 And I think the lady doth protest too much because now I just, if you're worth $100,000 and you're married to this guy and he's like a finance guy, now I'm just judging you for being terrible at your job, terrible at your business. 1.00

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00:17:24.000 Without further ado, we have a great guest here that is an aide to Melania Trump.

00:17:31.000 So, Melania has been in the news a lot lately, and we haven't talked about it a lot on this show.

00:17:38.000 So, Mark Beckman, he's a senior advisor to First Lady of Melania Trump.

00:17:41.000 He's the CEO of DMA United, and he's the producer of the film Melania, which was a huge hit.

00:17:48.000 So, Mark, welcome to the show.

00:17:49.000 Thank you for having me.

00:17:50.000 It's great to be here.

00:17:51.000 Yeah, we're honored to have you.

00:17:53.000 You're also the author of Some Future Day How AI is Going to Change Everything.

00:17:57.000 So, you're kind of a renaissance man.

00:17:59.000 You're producing films, you've got your own agency, you've got a book, and you're the advisor to Melania Trump, First Lady Melania Trump.

00:18:08.000 She has obviously been in the news because of what happened at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

00:18:12.000 I was there, I was hiding under a table.

00:18:15.000 You know, my first thought was when it happened.

00:18:17.000 I looked up to the dais, to the stage to see if President Trump was still there, if anything had happened to him.

00:18:24.000 My personal thought in that moment, Mark, was did they shoot Trump?

00:18:28.000 Because I had no idea what happened.

00:18:30.000 In the room, it was just mass chaos.

00:18:32.000 So we didn't know what had happened.

00:18:34.000 Did they rush the room and get an injured president off the stage?

00:18:38.000 We just had no idea.

00:18:39.000 And I instantly thought of Melania and I thought of Erica.

00:18:43.000 And then you see this Kimmel clip.

00:18:46.000 That comes out where he says, and we have it, we could play it.

00:18:50.000 But then Melania issues a statement condemning it.

00:18:53.000 It's not funny.

00:18:55.000 Tell us about your relationship with her and how she's handling this moment.

00:18:58.000 Sure.

00:18:59.000 So, just, you know, thanks for giving me a second to give you my background.

00:19:02.000 I have a cross discipline practice.

00:19:05.000 I spend about 100% of my time, including weekends and holidays, working on behalf of the First Lady.

00:19:12.000 What I do with her as her senior advisor is.

00:19:16.000 I handle all of the branding at the foundational level.

00:19:19.000 I stand up all of her commercial enterprises, her philanthropy and humanitarian efforts, and then communications.

00:19:27.000 And she and I have been working together now since before Baron was born.

00:19:31.000 It's a long time.

00:19:33.000 I've been involved, you mentioned, as a producer of the movie.

00:19:36.000 I'm the one to structure the deal and her books, her digital assets, fostering the future, fostering the future together.

00:19:44.000 It's all projects that she stands up.

00:19:47.000 They're all her vision.

00:19:48.000 I give her full credit.

00:19:50.000 I'm grateful that she gives me the opportunity to work with her in this capacity.

00:19:55.000 I have a cross discipline background.

00:19:57.000 So I was trained in law.

00:19:59.000 I own an advertising agency.

00:20:01.000 And obviously, I do a lot of deals for my clients.

00:20:04.000 So through the years, I've worked with some.

00:20:06.000 Very high profile individuals and brands from the NBA and Sony Music to Warner Brothers and Karl Lagerfeld, Tom Ford.

00:20:14.000 Really interesting.

00:20:16.000 But all of my efforts these days, without a doubt, hands down, are with the First Lady.

00:20:22.000 And for that, I am very grateful.

00:20:25.000 That's great.

00:20:26.000 So I'm going to play the clip here, Mark.

00:20:28.000 I mean, you've got a really eclectic background with a lot of big, huge names and brands.

00:20:33.000 And I love that you've given so much of your time and energy to the First Lady. 0.84

00:20:37.000 She deserves it here.

00:20:38.000 And again, we don't talk about her enough on this show.

00:20:40.000 I'll be the first to admit it.

00:20:41.000 But here is the clip from Jimmy Kimmel joking about the assassination or death of President Trump in some way.

00:20:48.000 Pretty gross clip.

00:20:50.000 Sop 13. 1.00

00:20:51.000 Our first lady, Melania, is here. 1.00

00:20:54.000 Look at Melania. 0.97

00:20:54.000 So beautiful. 0.97

00:20:55.000 Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow.

00:21:00.000 So she, of course, fired back and she essentially said, ABC, when are you going to hold this man accountable?

00:21:07.000 I mean, and I have my own personal gripe with Jimmy Kimmel because when Charlie was assassinated, Jimmy.

00:21:13.000 Kimmel lied about the nature of the assassin, calling him MAGA.

00:21:18.000 The affiliates rebelled.

00:21:19.000 He almost lost his job.

00:21:21.000 When ABC Brass finally let him back on, he refused to apologize or correct the record.

00:21:26.000 And he cried a lot, but he just totally dodged. 0.99

00:21:28.000 So I think this guy's a scumbag personally, Mark. 0.99

00:21:31.000 I'll put my own cards on the table. 1.00

00:21:33.000 I don't like him, and I think he's bad for the country.

00:21:35.000 But what do we do about it?

00:21:37.000 Well, I remember that moment, and that's part of why I am calling for Kimmel to be terminated.

00:21:44.000 From his role with the network.

00:21:46.000 It's time for the executives in this network to realize that this is not an isolated moment in time.

00:21:54.000 I don't understand why ABC and the parent company Disney would want to affiliate with a person who's spewing lies.

00:22:02.000 He's divisive in nature.

00:22:04.000 All of this negative political rhetoric is leading to more violence in our nation, as you're very well aware.

00:22:12.000 And it's time for ABC to take a stand.

00:22:15.000 I understand the First Amendment exists.

00:22:18.000 I am all for free speech.

00:22:19.000 I don't see this as a free speech issue.

00:22:22.000 I see this as a moment in time where Democrat violence towards Republicans is on the rise.

00:22:29.000 The data is in a Wall Street Journal article yesterday.

00:22:32.000 It shows for the first time that Democrats' violence targeting Republicans, unfortunately, including President Trump and Charlie Kirk, is now outweighing the amount of violence that goes from the right to the left.

00:22:48.000 And this trend continues.

00:22:50.000 And I think it's time for us to look at it and realize that words create actions, particularly when there are so many crazy people in the country now that look to leaders in entertainment across culture, entertainment, fashion, art, music, sports, the government, politics.

00:23:09.000 There's this ecosystem, including academia, where the Democrats are now just using the same vile hate type of speech.

00:23:18.000 Against the Republicans, and it's ending up with violent action, and it needs to be stopped.

00:23:24.000 Yeah, and Mark, we're actually going to be breaking down that Wall Street Journal report in hour two.

00:23:29.000 We've got Bhatia Ungar Sargon coming on. 0.98

00:23:33.000 She's a host over at another network, but she's done a whole substack on it.

00:23:37.000 And I'll just say that, yeah, it's interesting that the Wall Street Journal shows that there's more left on right violence than the opposite.

00:23:45.000 But what you find when you actually delve deeper into it is that some of the underlying data sets are completely skewed and faulty.

00:23:52.000 They're attributing stuff to the right that has no business being attributed to the right, and they're leaving off huge swaths of left wing violence that they're discounting for whatever reason because the researchers are.

00:24:05.000 Are biased and they don't want to reveal it.

00:24:07.000 So the fact that even with a biased data set and a flawed data set, that they're still coming out with the left is more violent against the right shows you a lot.

00:24:15.000 And we see this in polling, by the way.

00:24:16.000 If you do polling, YouGov, The Economist, did a poll that showed about nearly 30% of self described liberals, 18 to 39, say that political violence is justified in some instances.

00:24:30.000 Only 6% or 5% of conservatives said the same.

00:24:34.000 So, yeah, like violence, political violence of any kind is.

00:24:37.000 Unacceptable, but we have to look at the numbers, and there is a rise of political violence culture on the left.

00:24:45.000 And we, you know, it's coming from Discord chats, it's coming from Reddit chats, it's coming from, and it's being the permission structure, as you're pointing out, comes from the media, guys like Jimmy Kimmel.

00:24:56.000 I love there was a quote from Greg Gutfeld yesterday, Mark, where he said, I don't think this guy was crazy, but he was hearing voices in his head.

00:25:02.000 It was Ted Lieu, it was The View, CNN, it was MS Now.

00:25:06.000 Correct.

00:25:07.000 The other thing is, why don't the Democrats look in the mirror?

00:25:10.000 Don't you find it peculiar that with this set of circumstances, the only two Democrats, or let's say Democrats, politically oriented Democrats, that have spoken out against this circumstance are Axelrod and Fetterman?

00:25:28.000 Why is the entire Democrat Party lining up behind Mamdani, behind Ilhan Omar?

00:25:33.000 And why are they so reluctant to speak out against a guy like Kimmel who's creating divisive rhetoric that could lead to this type of terrible violence?

00:25:43.000 Where are the Democrats?

00:25:44.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:25:45.000 Here's what they're doing, by the way.

00:25:46.000 And you saw this with the SPLC, right?

00:25:48.000 The SPLC gets caught red handed manufacturing hate crime to sell to its donors.

00:25:54.000 And instead of owning it, you got like the NAACP coming out defending them, other people defending them.

00:26:00.000 But you see this now.

00:26:02.000 George Clooney defends Jimmy Kimmel, SOT 36.

00:26:05.000 Jimmy's a comedian.

00:26:06.000 And I would argue that Caroline Levitt didn't mean shots should be fired, right?

00:26:11.000 She was making a joke.

00:26:13.000 Fair enough.

00:26:14.000 So.

00:26:15.000 I look at that side and go, well, jokes are jokes.

00:26:17.000 But the rhetoric, I think, is a little dangerous.

00:26:20.000 And we've seen it a lot lately.

00:26:24.000 Well, Shots Fired was in reference to the speech he was going to give that night. 0.80

00:26:30.000 So that's a ridiculous comparison, first of all. 0.99

00:26:32.000 And to your earlier point, Jimmy Kimmel has a history of being an absolute grade A scumbag. 0.99

00:26:37.000 George Clooney definitely doesn't watch Kimmel, right? 0.98

00:26:40.000 Kimmel isn't funny.

00:26:42.000 Nobody watches him.

00:26:43.000 His business model is a failure.

00:26:45.000 And this is why I'm saying, for commercial reasons, it doesn't even make sense for him to keep.

00:26:49.000 Continuing to hide behind ABC.

00:26:52.000 It's time for ABC to strike.

00:26:55.000 Blake, I want to get you into this conversation, but Mark brought it up, I think, really eloquently about this misunderstanding of the First Amendment and how if conservatives say Jimmy should be fired from ABC, all of a sudden, oh, I thought you guys were pro free speech.

00:27:11.000 Well, what's the distinction?

00:27:12.000 Well, I mean, so the First Amendment only legally restricts what the government can do.

00:27:21.000 What the government is allowed to do on speech.

00:27:23.000 So, the government can't come in and say only this point of view can be voiced.

00:27:27.000 Also, government spaces, as we're well aware, public universities, the university can't say, oh, this speech is subject to, oh, you can only speak this in the dedicated free speech zone of the university.

00:27:38.000 Not allowed to do that sort of thing. 0.99

00:27:40.000 But anyone is allowed to say, I think that this host is a piece of crap and should be fired. 0.99

00:27:46.000 Anyone is allowed to say, this show is bad and I'm not going to watch their network until they get rid of it. 1.00

00:27:52.000 That's all completely allowed.

00:27:54.000 I do think that.

00:27:56.000 As pro free speech individuals, you want a culture of free speech, which is, I think, as a rule, for example, I don't think companies should go around aggressively firing people for what their opinions are.

00:28:08.000 Agreed.

00:28:08.000 I think Kimmel has shown a clear.

00:28:10.000 First of all, Kimmel, I'm not sure he himself believes in this. 0.99

00:28:14.000 And I think he's certainly distinguished himself as a piece of crap. 0.99

00:28:17.000 So I wouldn't mind seeing him go. 1.00

00:28:18.000 Yeah, fair enough.

00:28:20.000 I think that's well said.

00:28:22.000 Can I go ahead, Mark?

00:28:22.000 Can I ask you?

00:28:23.000 I just have a question.

00:28:24.000 So, like, if you look at the issue of freedom of speech closely, you're both aware you can't run into.

00:28:30.000 A movie theater and scream fire.

00:28:33.000 And the reason that type of speech is restricted is because predictably it will cause some kind of physical harm to those attendees in the movie theater.

00:28:42.000 So I realize this is a little bit of a stretch here with Kimmel, but we are seeing assassination attempts and assassinations and political violence happening over and over and over again.

00:28:57.000 So I'm a free speech absolutist and I believe that we need a marketplace of ideas to allow for us to propel.

00:29:04.000 Humanity forward, but maybe this call to have Kimmel restricted in this way can allow for us to find what's really critical right now.

00:29:12.000 We're missing glue of the fabric of society, we're missing respect.

00:29:18.000 If we can't agree to respect each other's differing opinions, how could we grow across science, healthcare, commerce, and beyond?

00:29:27.000 We don't have respect for each other anymore. 0.95

00:29:29.000 The Democrats look at us and they say, He's a Nazi, he's a fascist, and they call for more violence. 0.97

00:29:36.000 Hakeem Jeffries doubled down on this. 0.95

00:29:39.000 Just the other day, yesterday, I believe it was yesterday.

00:29:42.000 Yesterday.

00:29:43.000 It's too much.

00:29:44.000 Yeah, it's just too much.

00:29:45.000 So, at some point, who's going to lead the call for just respect so that we could have a true marketplace of ideas and propel humanity forward with innovation?

00:29:56.000 Well, I agree.

00:29:57.000 I want to see a culture of respect.

00:29:59.000 And as Blake has put it, I think, eloquently as well on the show, that we need to see pure unity that's across ideologies against political violence.

00:30:09.000 It has to be completely unified.

00:30:11.000 Castigated at every corner, and we're not seeing that, right?

00:30:14.000 We see like John Fetterman, like you said, and David Axelrod.

00:30:17.000 That's it.

00:30:17.000 Like, where else?

00:30:19.000 Where is everybody?

00:30:20.000 I will say, though, that free speech, the oft quoted crowded theater yelling fire, didn't they overturn that eventually?

00:30:28.000 Yeah, that's not the standard.

00:30:30.000 I'm very happy that the United States has a standard of freedom of speech that doesn't fly in any other country, even ones that we consider relatively Western.

00:30:39.000 You go and you read the Constitution of Germany, for example, and it will say the right to freedom of speech is absolute.

00:30:45.000 Except subject to laws that the government makes for reasonable society.

00:30:50.000 And everything is endlessly stretched.

00:30:52.000 Our Supreme Court basically has said unless you are calling for not just violence generally, but an imminent act of violence.

00:30:59.000 So if you were to say, let's go kill Andrew right now, that would be illegal.

00:31:06.000 But you could even say, you can advocate, oh, we should overthrow the government generally.

00:31:10.000 And as weird as that might sound, I like that standard.

00:31:14.000 It's because it doesn't create room.

00:31:14.000 And why?

00:31:16.000 Where a bad actor government, like say the Biden administration, can go and say, oh, you're agitating for bad stuff.

00:31:23.000 You're calling for violence.

00:31:24.000 We're going to shut you down, investigate people.

00:31:27.000 We have that shield.

00:31:29.000 But I do think this imminent threat thing.

00:31:32.000 So, for example, I'm going to play a clip of Hassan Piker.

00:31:35.000 This is him saying somebody's got to do it.

00:31:39.000 I happen to think that this is beyond the pale.

00:31:41.000 I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it should be okay.

00:31:45.000 SOT 19.

00:31:46.000 And you actually wrote about this, and it was a great video where you talked about, you know, someone has to do it.

00:31:55.000 See, when I say that, everyone knows exactly what I mean.

00:31:59.000 Which is, I think that shows that there is a lot of anger, a lot of resentment, and untapped potential, untapped revolutionary potential, as a matter of fact.

00:32:10.000 So, this kid comes from a very wealthy, well to do family, and, you know, here he is, you know, Waxing poetic about the revolutionary potential of people calling for the assassination of President Trump.

00:32:24.000 That's what somebody has to do it means.

00:32:25.000 Somebody's got to do it, right?

00:32:27.000 And I don't think that's okay.

00:32:29.000 I look at that and I'm like, that's incitement.

00:32:31.000 And it doesn't meet the standard that Blake has laid out from our Supreme Court, but it pisses me off.

00:32:37.000 Mark, your reaction.

00:32:39.000 I feel the same way.

00:32:39.000 I mean, again, this is who the Democrat Party is getting behind now.

00:32:44.000 We're seeing a fundamental shift with the makeup of Democrats.

00:32:48.000 You know, so here, like you said, you have an individual who.

00:32:52.000 Came, I believe he was born very wealthy in Turkey, had a lot of money, came to the United States.

00:32:57.000 He hates the United States. 0.83

00:32:59.000 He's constantly spewing anti Semitic rhetoric and he's calling for violence. 0.86

00:33:05.000 Like, why do we need that?

00:33:06.000 And the people who are listening, unfortunately, some of them, again, can't discern between reality and what is not reality.

00:33:15.000 And they're laughing, Mark.

00:33:17.000 As soon as he said it, they all laughed like it's some joke.

00:33:17.000 They laughed.

00:33:19.000 The murder of the president of the United States is hilarious to these people.

00:33:23.000 It's insane.

00:33:24.000 And sadly, you understand how critical firsthand, you guys understand how critical it is for us to take a look and examine what's coming out of these people's mouths and who's on the receiving side.

00:33:34.000 Because clearly, like, what happened to this guy, Alan, who attempted the assassination this past weekend?

00:33:42.000 The guy's a teacher?

00:33:43.000 Like, where is he learning that he should load up with guns, get on a train, drive across the country, check into a hotel, and then target our president and members of the cabinet?

00:33:54.000 What is going on in our country?

00:33:55.000 Where is he learning that from?

00:33:57.000 He's a teacher.

00:33:58.000 Mark, where is he learning that from?

00:33:59.000 I, you know, he's learning it from The View and MS Now and Ted Liu, exactly like Gutfeld said.

00:34:06.000 I want, I've only got 30 seconds left with you, Mark.

00:34:08.000 I wanted to get to this, but I just, if you had to say one thing about Melania Trump that you wish people knew about her, what would it be?

00:34:14.000 I'm sorry it's so short, but 30 seconds. 0.99

00:34:15.000 Hardest working, most dedicated, proud first lady. 0.92

00:34:19.000 She keeps talking about raising children above ideology, above prejudices, groundbreaking. 0.81

00:34:24.000 Take a look.

00:34:25.000 I'd love to have a moment to share with you all of her achievements.

00:34:28.000 As it relates to domestically and internationally since this 47th presidential administration began.

00:34:35.000 That's awesome.

00:34:35.000 Well, Mark, it's been a fascinating conversation.

00:34:38.000 I don't think we got to the bottom of it yet, but we're working through it, and that's part of the process here.

00:34:42.000 Mark, God bless you.

00:34:44.000 Talk to you soon.

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00:36:05.000 Fox News decides Donald Trump is President of the United States.

00:36:11.000 We've got our republic back, folks.

00:36:15.000 Let's go.

00:36:17.000 There it is.

00:36:23.000 Everybody should remember this moment.

00:36:24.000 Look, I'm going to echo Charlie from earlier.

00:36:27.000 Remember where you were when this happened.

00:36:30.000 Remember where you were when you realized that the Uniparty and all of these, you know, just the establishment, you said it's time to actually participate.

00:36:40.000 And look what you guys have done.

00:36:42.000 And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes, it's Charlie.

00:36:46.000 I think we all agree.

00:36:47.000 I think Erica was shot one of the onions or something in the break room.

00:36:50.000 No one is working.

00:36:51.000 Harder than Charlie for this.

00:36:52.000 We gotta hear some words here from you, Charlie.

00:36:55.000 You put all this together, my man.

00:36:57.000 I am just humbled by God.

00:36:57.000 Let's hear it.

00:37:00.000 It's all God.

00:37:02.000 It's all God.

00:37:03.000 God alone.

00:37:05.000 God alone.

00:37:09.000 Decision desk has it.

00:37:11.000 It's done.

00:37:11.000 Pennsylvania.

00:37:21.000 Brings chills.

00:37:22.000 Obviously, that was election night 2024.

00:37:25.000 That clip has been seen hundreds of millions of times.

00:37:28.000 And it was narrated by the great Cliff Maloney.

00:37:33.000 A clip that I don't think any of us understood what it was going to mean and how it was going to be viewed and how many people were going to see it.

00:37:41.000 Cliff joins us now.

00:37:42.000 Cliff Maloney, author of the new book, Run Right A Complete Election Playbook to Win.

00:37:48.000 And I love this because I thought that clip was perfect because I want everybody in the audience to remember where you were that night, as Cliff told us.

00:37:56.000 How good it felt to win, how much work went into that from Charlie, from Turning Point Action, all the way down from Cliff's own organization, working their tails off in Pennsylvania.

00:38:11.000 And so, Cliff, I'm going to read from your website and then the floor will be yours.

00:38:14.000 You say, Stop arguing online, start winning in the real world.

00:38:19.000 Learn the door to door grassroots tactics that delivered Pennsylvania for Trump and Arizona and Wisconsin.

00:38:25.000 But yeah, you were big in Pennsylvania for Trump and how you can replicate them for decades.

00:38:30.000 The left is out organized conservatives, slipping red seats and turning fringe ideas into law.

00:38:34.000 The right has no handbook until now.

00:38:37.000 Cliff, congratulations on the book.

00:38:38.000 You wrote it with Joshua Lysik.

00:38:39.000 And tell us about it.

00:38:42.000 Well, first, thanks for having me.

00:38:43.000 I didn't expect to get a little teary eyed in the morning, but every time you play that clip, I mean, you're right.

00:38:48.000 None of us realized what that moment would mean.

00:38:52.000 And I always tell people why it was so fascinating for me is because it was everything that Charlie had built and it culminated with a victory.

00:39:01.000 It was kind of the 2016 win.

00:39:01.000 Right.

00:39:03.000 Okay.

00:39:03.000 But then the 2020 loss, 2022 not being a great year, and everybody kind of pushing back for those four years under Biden to build something that would actually win when everybody told us we wouldn't, when everybody told us it was not worth the effort.

00:39:18.000 But Charlie, Turning Point, Citizens Alliance, so many of these groups, that was the moment, right?

00:39:24.000 It was the moment where everything kind of came together.

00:39:28.000 And so I always look back and laugh.

00:39:30.000 It wasn't like I practiced saying those things.

00:39:33.000 But as you know, when you're on air, you can't have silence, right?

00:39:37.000 And so, you know, I know you were producing, Andrew, but everybody else was in studio, right?

00:39:41.000 I was remote in Harrisburg.

00:39:43.000 I think Brett might have been in Wisconsin, but it was kind of silent.

00:39:46.000 And I just said, you know what?

00:39:47.000 Let me step up and talk here in that moment.

00:39:50.000 You know, obviously, like you said, hundreds of millions of views changed my life, really just put us in a different spotlight.

00:39:57.000 Our partnership with Turning Point has only grown since then.

00:40:00.000 So I appreciate it.

00:40:01.000 On the book, you know, Joshua Lysik, great patriot, has written a couple books with Jack Vasobick, you know, approached me and we talked.

00:40:09.000 And he said, Look, he said, why don't we tell the story of all these election wins that you've had, whether it's Dog Catcher, State House, State Senate, or the presidential race?

00:40:20.000 And why don't we put it together?

00:40:21.000 And we do a training for candidates.

00:40:23.000 We call it Candidate Academy.

00:40:25.000 And pretty much that was my entire playbook that we started with as an outline.

00:40:32.000 And Justin Grice, who's my COO, he's my Tyler Boyer at Citizens Alliance.

00:40:36.000 You know, we kind of put all these notes together.

00:40:38.000 We worked with Joshua and we wanted to put something together so that if people on the right, We were new to politics.

00:40:45.000 They had a playbook to use that would teach them how to go from zero to 100.

00:40:50.000 And as I say to everybody, you can check it out at runrightbook.com.

00:40:54.000 Runrightbook.com.

00:40:55.000 I tell everybody there's three steps.

00:40:57.000 If you want to run for office, if you want to win, and you want to stay principled and effective, this is the book for you.

00:41:05.000 Well, I love that you say stop arguing online.

00:41:08.000 Obviously, there's been some of that happening in the ecosystem.

00:41:12.000 A wee bit.

00:41:13.000 Just a tinge.

00:41:13.000 A wee bit.

00:41:15.000 Just a touch of infighting, especially after Charlie.

00:41:19.000 We lost Charlie.

00:41:20.000 And it seemed like there was a vacuum, a void, and some bad actors have tried to fill it.

00:41:25.000 But you're trying to keep us focused, which is what we're trying to do at Turning Point Action.

00:41:29.000 We're building the red wall.

00:41:31.000 We're working with you on a number of different initiatives, Cliff.

00:41:34.000 And why don't you say you mentioned Pennsylvania?

00:41:38.000 That's where you predominantly spent most of your time in 2024.

00:41:42.000 What did you learn there?

00:41:43.000 What are the big learnings?

00:41:44.000 Give us a little teaser what's in the book.

00:41:47.000 So here's the.

00:41:48.000 Basics that no one really wants to admit on the right.

00:41:51.000 And that is that we are no longer in the Karl Rove era of messaging.

00:41:55.000 It is no longer what is the message to try to convert the persuadable voters.

00:42:01.000 And Tyler talks about this all the time on the show.

00:42:03.000 I'll give him a lot of credit for driving this message because it's true.

00:42:07.000 The game has changed.

00:42:08.000 It is no longer election day.

00:42:10.000 It's not even election week.

00:42:11.000 It's not election month.

00:42:12.000 It's election season.

00:42:14.000 Why does that matter?

00:42:16.000 Well, one of the things in the book I talk about is that 3% plus one.

00:42:19.000 Okay, this goes back to the Karl Rove strategy of a general election that roughly 3% plus one vote will determine who wins in a general election.

00:42:28.000 The math is still the same, but because of the rule changes, what I explain in the book is you have to go after the folks.

00:42:36.000 Typically, you have about 12% of the population that are going to vote Democrat and 12% that are going to vote Republican.

00:42:42.000 I'm talking in a swing district or a swing state.

00:42:45.000 I'm not saying 12% of voters, I'm saying of the entire population.

00:42:49.000 You now have to focus on increasing the partisan turnout.

00:42:53.000 Because you have in some states 50, 60, 75 days of voting.

00:42:58.000 And so I get to that in the book to explain to people it's not about persuading or having the perfect message.

00:43:04.000 You have to go find your people, register Republicans that are not likely to vote, and you have to make them likely to vote.

00:43:11.000 How do we do that?

00:43:12.000 Ground game.

00:43:14.000 How do we do that?

00:43:15.000 Actual relational organizing, getting people to understand, almost annoying them, if you will.

00:43:21.000 We call it a reminder campaign, but that's the big shift.

00:43:24.000 It's all about turnout, not about persuading.

00:43:27.000 You know, I have so many questions.

00:43:29.000 Questions because people ask me a lot of questions about this.

00:43:32.000 Sometimes I have to speak to the press or whatever about our ground game stuff.

00:43:37.000 You know, it's interesting.

00:43:38.000 We have, you know, my mom lives in Nevada.

00:43:41.000 She said, you know, she's registered independent.

00:43:44.000 She said that her dumpster could have filled up.

00:43:46.000 She could have filled up multiple dumpsters with all the, you know, the pamphlets and the handouts that were left at her door to vote Kamala Harris. 0.99

00:43:54.000 And she, you know, threw them all in the trash because she was just so inundated and sick of them.

00:43:59.000 We are.

00:44:00.000 Still behind the left when it comes to organizing, when the canvassing stuff, I mean, there's groups like yours, ours, Scott Pressler, that are out there kind of putting it on the map on the right and changing the way conservatives think about it.

00:44:13.000 You can make the dog food, but you can't make the dog eat, essentially.

00:44:17.000 So, what is the limit and what is the role of canvassing and ballot chasing, as we call it, at Turning Point Action? 1.00

00:44:26.000 Is it different than what my mom was experiencing with all the Kamala people? 0.98

00:44:31.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:44:32.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:44:33.000 And look, there's a great book out there called Get Out the Vote.

00:44:36.000 The fifth edition has this whole chart that really lays out about 20 to 30 years of them studying this exact question, Andrew, right?

00:44:43.000 They said, hey, we're going to go out and look at Republican campaigns, Democrat campaigns, independent, nonpartisan races.

00:44:49.000 But here's the cool thing that their data shows it takes about 200 pieces of literature, like your mom had dropped at her doorstep, right?

00:44:55.000 No conversation, but about 200 pieces of literature to earn a vote that are dropped at the door.

00:45:01.000 We call that a lit drop, right?

00:45:03.000 When it comes to phone calls, it takes about 30 phone calls.

00:45:07.000 Conversations, not just the calls, 30 conversations to earn a new vote.

00:45:12.000 But conversations at the door, it shows that one out of every nine conversations at the door, you earn a new vote.

00:45:21.000 That's the rub.

00:45:22.000 That's the entire thing here.

00:45:24.000 And that's why the door to door, the ground game, and this is what Charlie understood, it's what Tyler and the entire Turning Point Action apparatus understands that that's the missing piece.

00:45:34.000 Now, here's the bad part we're about 10 years behind the Democrats.

00:45:38.000 Okay.

00:45:39.000 The Democrats have 20 turning point USAs, 20, right?

00:45:43.000 Indivisible, Arabella, all the Soros money, the Tide Foundation.

00:45:48.000 There's dozens of these organizations that understand the power of knocking doors.

00:45:53.000 And that's where the right has to catch up.

00:45:55.000 Blake, do you have thoughts on this?

00:45:57.000 Just as we're heading into the midterm here.

00:45:59.000 It's such an interesting question.

00:45:59.000 It's like a psychological question.

00:46:01.000 That's what's really fascinating about it, is as you say, like you can pour out the dog food.

00:46:07.000 And I think what Charlie and what Tyler built is they've Really recognize it's almost a lesson that has to be learned over and over because I think the Obama campaign had similar discoveries and then they go into abeyance because they're difficult.

00:46:19.000 Which is, you can't just rely on mailers, you can't just rely on phone calls.

00:46:23.000 Like, the strongest thing is actual community, it's actual relationships.

00:46:27.000 It's why Charlie would talk so much about the need for churches to get engaged and involved.

00:46:31.000 He's looking out and saying, What are the institutions that have ties to people?

00:46:36.000 What are ways you can actually grab people with something they will pay attention to, they will care about?

00:46:41.000 And they're not going to care about mailers, they will care about People in their community, people they respect, people they love and want the best for, trying to get them involved in important elections.

00:46:52.000 And that's really what they built up with the action, the ballot chaser apparatus.

00:46:56.000 Well, and that's that expression, relational organizing.

00:46:59.000 We don't think about that enough, and we don't think deeply about what that expression means.

00:47:03.000 It feels like a one liner.

00:47:04.000 It's not.

00:47:05.000 It's actually you're inviting them to barbecues at the park, community events.

00:47:09.000 You're taking them cookies.

00:47:11.000 These things create a community tie, a relational tie.

00:47:15.000 And, you know, sometimes you might even call it societal guilt or whatever.

00:47:18.000 You know, so when they ask you for, have you turned in your ballot, the person's probably thinking, well, they brought me cookies.

00:47:25.000 You know, I, I should probably respond.

00:47:27.000 You know, it's deeper than a mailer.

00:47:30.000 It's deeper than all that.

00:47:32.000 Cliff, I want to turn our conversation over to what we saw in Virginia.

00:47:35.000 Now, I got a phone call from somebody that people would know, and they were very upset about Virginia and felt like the apparatus on the conservative side, whatever it was, the RNC, whatever, didn't do enough in Virginia.

00:47:51.000 What are our lessons there?

00:47:53.000 And I would agree.

00:47:54.000 You know, we're spending $100, $150 million to defeat.

00:47:57.000 A Republican in Texas, and we don't seem to have enough money to match the Democrats pound for pound in Virginia, which I think is complete a dereliction of duty.

00:48:05.000 What are the lessons out of Virginia and what are the takeaways?

00:48:09.000 Yeah, first, absolutely absurd.

00:48:11.000 I mean, it should be a felony.

00:48:13.000 What happened in Texas when you compare that to spending those resources in a state like Virginia, where, you know, we're now looking at 10 1.

00:48:21.000 Look, Tyler made some comments publicly.

00:48:23.000 I'll rehash those right now, which is, In the political world, especially when you're a grassroots organization that is raising funds from investors that count on you for success, we've already announced our 2026 through 2028 plans.

00:48:23.000 I did too.

00:48:39.000 We've announced that we're getting involved with a partnership with Turning Point.

00:48:43.000 We're going to be in Arizona with you guys.

00:48:45.000 We're going to be in New Hampshire.

00:48:47.000 We're going to be in Nevada.

00:48:49.000 These things are announced, and we're out there trying to raise the funds and then execute the program.

00:48:54.000 So when a new battle pops up, when a new opportunity, and people say, Cliff, Who cares about 2028 if we lose all these seats in Virginia right now?

00:49:03.000 And it's like, well, look, I can't kick every barking dog.

00:49:06.000 I can't get distracted with squirrel.

00:49:08.000 Like, let's focus on this.

00:49:09.000 It's a shiny object.

00:49:11.000 So, what Tyler said is what I'll say, which is when this popped up, we went and said, listen, we have the manpower, but we don't have the money, right?

00:49:19.000 We don't, we have to raise the money for the things we've already announced, the things we've committed to.

00:49:24.000 So, if the apparatus or the Republican consultant apparatus wants to funnel money, five, 10, 15 million, To Virginia, we have the manpower, we'll do it.

00:49:35.000 But they were silent, right?

00:49:37.000 They didn't step up.

00:49:38.000 There wasn't money spent that should have been spent in Virginia.

00:49:42.000 And so it is extremely frustrating to look at Ken Paxton versus John Cornyn.

00:49:47.000 Obviously, I'm supporting Ken Paxton, great patriot, John Cornyn, total sellout, Rhino.

00:49:52.000 But it's like, when are we going to get to that point where donors say enough is enough?

00:49:58.000 We're not spending money to defend the swamp, to defend what is the current status quo.

00:50:03.000 We need to spend that money.

00:50:05.000 On real battles when they pop up.

00:50:07.000 Because when that happens, we can all come in, we can all deploy all of our manpower to do those things, but it takes money.

00:50:15.000 And right now, we don't have that type of leadership, and the Republican consultant class should be in prison.

00:50:22.000 That's strong.

00:50:23.000 I like it.

00:50:24.000 Well, you know, and you brought up the Karl Rove kind of analogy earlier in our first segment, Cliff, and there is a pervasive consultant class that is.

00:50:24.000 Yeah.

00:50:36.000 Bilking money right off the top.

00:50:38.000 That's why people love to spend money on ad buys and media buys.

00:50:42.000 And the canvassing is less sexy, it's less lucrative.

00:50:45.000 And so, guess what?

00:50:47.000 It's the most important piece, but it gets left off because there's just not as much money to be made.

00:50:52.000 And that's the sad truth.

00:50:52.000 Cliff Maloney, run right.

00:50:54.000 Check out his new book, Handbook to Political Success.

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00:52:14.000 Bhatia Ungar Sargon is the host of the show Bhatia on News Nation, and she also has a Substack that she is really devoted to.

00:52:22.000 I give her a lot of credit for that because now she's debunking the data claims that when people say most right wing, most political violence is coming from the right.

00:52:32.000 This is something you'll hear ad nauseum from the left.

00:52:35.000 She goes deep into the data.

00:52:37.000 We haven't really done a deep dive, so I wanted to have her on to go through what she found.

00:52:41.000 Bhatia, welcome back to the show.

00:52:43.000 I am so honored to be here.

00:52:45.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:52:48.000 Thank you for making the time.

00:52:49.000 I mean, I only hit you up this morning, and you were willing to be flexible with your schedule, so I thank you for that because I just saw it this morning when I logged on to X.

00:52:57.000 So here's, let's just do a quick timeline for people.

00:53:01.000 Charlie's assassinated.

00:53:03.000 The Economist comes out with data that says, well, turns out most violence is right wing when it comes to political violence.

00:53:11.000 I've seen a number of people attempt to debunk this because there's a lot of flaws in it.

00:53:16.000 Then the Wall Street Journal yesterday comes out with a report saying that, whoa, big bombshell for the first time in history.

00:53:22.000 Left wing violence is more common.

00:53:25.000 And it turns out that's even with all of the BS that's happening.

00:53:28.000 But that's the point.

00:53:30.000 It's more prevalent according to this new Wall Street Journal report, but that's still with faulty data.

00:53:36.000 You've broken it down on your Substack.

00:53:37.000 I recommend everybody check it out.

00:53:39.000 But, Bhatia, explain what you found with this data set that so many are using, including the Cato Institute, to smear conservatives.

00:53:46.000 Yes.

00:53:47.000 So, there are actually three main sources for this fraudulent claim that the majority of the political violence in America comes from the right.

00:53:56.000 And I want to just briefly go through each of them because they are so unbelievably flawed.

00:54:01.000 So, the three sources are the Prosecution Project out of the University of Cincinnati, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, which Bills itself is nonpartisan.

00:54:12.000 And then the Cato Institute, which of course is also supposed to be this nonpartisan institute.

00:54:16.000 And they are all deeply flawed.

00:54:17.000 All right, let's start with the prosecution project, which was publicized by The Economist in the wake of Charlie's death.

00:54:23.000 Okay.

00:54:24.000 So as we are reeling from being the victims of left wing political violence, The Economist comes out and tells us, oh, no, sorry, you're wrong.

00:54:34.000 It's mostly coming from your own side.

00:54:36.000 But they are relying here on the prosecution project, which, guys, Go check this out.

00:54:41.000 I urge you to.

00:54:41.000 The link is in my Substack.

00:54:43.000 It literally does not have Charlie's assassination in its tally of political violence, nor does it have either of the, at the time, two assassination attempts on the president.

00:54:56.000 It lists every single person who blocks access to an abortion clinic, but not a single person who vandalized anything during the George Floyd riots, did any kind of property damage, nor does it list any of the 24 Americans who were murdered during the George Floyd riots.

00:55:15.000 Now, of course, maybe you want to say, well, those weren't political murders just because they happened during political riots.

00:55:21.000 But the Prosecution Project lists every single person who was ever affiliated with the white nationalists, with the Aryan Brotherhood.

00:55:30.000 Any crime they do then gets listed as political violence.

00:55:34.000 So, for example, 33 individuals charged in connection to a methamphetamine manufacturing and distribution network that was classified as political violence on the right because they happened to be Aryan Brotherhoods. 0.97

00:55:47.000 I mean, come on, these guys, these races obviously just wanted some meth, right? 0.84

00:55:50.000 But this gets classified, but not Charlie's assassination. 1.00

00:55:55.000 All right, let's move on.

00:55:56.000 So, as you said, Andrew, the Wall Street Journal citing data from the CSIS, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, they have on their website their methodology listed.

00:56:08.000 And in their methodology, just listen to this quote While anti Semitic motives are classified as right wing, attacks on Jewish individuals or institutions intended as a response to the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

00:56:22.000 Are classified as ethno nationalist.

00:56:25.000 They literally created an entirely new category so that they could absolve the left of left wing anti Semitism.

00:56:33.000 Like, literally, attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions, if they are done in the name of Palestinian freedom, get the left is absolved of them.

00:56:42.000 That becomes ethno nationalist, which, by the way, is meant to fool you into thinking that it's on the right, right?

00:56:46.000 And of course, and as they said at the start there, they're just saying anything anti Semitic, we're just gonna, that's just definitionally right wing.

00:56:53.000 It doesn't matter.

00:56:54.000 Which is, which is, Utterly insane because, as you guys know, of course, there are anti Semites on the right, but the right is fighting them tooth and nail, whereas on the left, anti Semitism is being totally mainstreamed.

00:57:07.000 Okay, briefly, because I want to get through this.

00:57:08.000 The CSIS lists as its sources the Southern Poverty Law Center, which we just found out was literally manufacturing the hate it pretended to fight, and the ADL, which, as you guys know, is completely biased, uses public records and media reports.

00:57:26.000 To reach their numbers, the ADL, of course, saying 76% of extremism is from the right.

00:57:31.000 If you're relying on the left wing media to arrive at those numbers, this is not data.

00:57:36.000 This is propaganda.

00:57:38.000 And just very quickly, the Cato Institute doesn't include the 3,000 fatalities from 9 11, calls every incel a right winger by definition, even though many of them are on the left now, fails to include any of the fatalities from 2020 Black Lives Matter rioting.

00:57:54.000 And, you know, the prosecution project, Anytime anybody defaces an LGBTQ thing listed as political violence, but entire neighborhoods that burned down during George Floyd, not a single mention in their list.

00:58:10.000 So, guys, bookmark this because the left loves to use highfalutin fancy credentialism to say what you're seeing with your own eyes is not true.

00:58:20.000 We've all been seeing it and we all know this is not a both sides issue.

00:58:25.000 The political violence on this country is coming from the left and they want the victims, which is the right.

00:58:30.000 To assume responsibility for it, and we have to say no.

00:58:34.000 Yeah, no, man, that was quite the thing, that was well done.

00:58:37.000 That was well done.

00:58:38.000 And it is so important.

00:58:38.000 I'm glad you brought up the Southern Poverty Law Center because all of these groups, SPLC, ADL, those other groups that you named, they fit into this network, this process that the left has built up over decades.

00:58:51.000 And it's sort of institutionally laundering their ideological claims.

00:58:56.000 They've literally been doing this for decades.

00:58:58.000 If you want classic stuff, after World War II, you have academics writing these books and creating institutions and just defining anything authoritarian or tyrannical.

00:59:10.000 It's just Definitionally right wing.

00:59:12.000 You'd have books like The Authoritarian Personality.

00:59:14.000 It just says right wingers are authoritarian.

00:59:17.000 And they're continuing that through to today.

00:59:19.000 When they have a nonprofit, when they have some organization with some PhDs or some flunkies who failed out of PhD programs on their staff, they'll produce these reports and they'll include, you know, they'll have a nice PDF.

00:59:34.000 It'll have, you know, good graphics.

00:59:36.000 They'll get it published in the, you know, their work covered in the New York Times or they'll say, here's how we're defining.

00:59:42.000 What is extremism?

00:59:43.000 Here's how we're defining what political violence is.

00:59:45.000 And if you add enough layers to this, are you able to just kind of lie to the public and create this reality they want?

00:59:54.000 And the reality they want is that always, by definition, political violence will be right wing.

01:00:00.000 Always, by definition, our violence is not political or it's just speech or it's mostly peaceful.

01:00:06.000 And I love that graph you showed from The Economist is the most telling, where if you literally look at the year 2020, A year defined significantly by politically motivated violence.

01:00:17.000 They say, vast.

01:00:19.000 They're saying, actually, all the political violence that year, that was coming out.

01:00:22.000 You can see the big peak is 2020, and all the violence is coming from the right.

01:00:26.000 There's basically none of it from the left.

01:00:27.000 In fact, there was less left wing violence in 2020 than in 2019, according to them, when in every single city in America, everyone was living in fear of what we all know was left wing motivated political violence. 0.81

01:00:39.000 You were worried that your neighborhood would get looted or burned down by BLM mobs. 0.82

01:00:44.000 That happened in. 0.80

01:00:45.000 Minneapolis, it happened in Chicago, it happened in Los Angeles, it happened in city after city.

01:00:50.000 Thousands of businesses looted, dozens of people murdered, and they just lie to our face.

01:00:56.000 And in a weird way, I'm glad they went for that lie in 2020 because in a normal year, you can maybe get away with it.

01:01:05.000 People aren't paying attention. 0.77

01:01:06.000 They could say, well, actually, there's these neo Nazi gangs doing stuff you don't hear about.

01:01:10.000 But in 2020, it was so in your face, so over the top, it was happening every day for months on end that it just blows apart the scam. 0.55

01:01:20.000 And as long as we can remind people of that, I think it's very difficult for them to keep getting away with it.

01:01:24.000 The lie is so egregious in 2020 that the jig is up.

01:01:29.000 The propaganda is revealed purely because we all saw it, to Blake's point.

01:01:33.000 We all saw it.

01:01:34.000 I lived in Santa Barbara at the time.

01:01:36.000 And now I'm a Phoenix native.

01:01:38.000 Blake says it's too cold here and rains too much, which is hilarious.

01:01:42.000 But it was crazy.

01:01:44.000 We saw our property values shoot up overnight because everybody was fleeing Los Angeles and San Francisco to get away from BLM.

01:01:51.000 They were.

01:01:51.000 All trying to get, they were businesses looted.

01:01:54.000 You know, in Santa Monica, they were getting burned out and looted.

01:01:58.000 So, I mean, it is a good point, Blake.

01:02:02.000 The lie is exposed entirely.

01:02:05.000 The fact that you're going to claim all anti Semitic violence when we saw the universities getting, you know, captured by these pro Palestinian groups, and yet that's supposed to be right wing or this third category they created ethno, what was it, ethno nationalism or something?

01:02:23.000 Babachi, you call out this section here.

01:02:25.000 I just want to underscore it.

01:02:28.000 This is from your Substack, and you just have to read it because it's so absurd.

01:02:33.000 So, we're talking about the data sets that these groups are using to collate these big conclusions about how right wing violence is so terrible and all this.

01:02:42.000 There were three high profile terrorist attacks in the United States in the first half of 2025, motivated by the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

01:02:51.000 These include the April arson attack on Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's residence, a May shooting that killed two Israeli embassy staff in Washington, D.C., and a June firebombing of a pro Israel solidarity walk in Boulder that injured 15 demonstrators.

01:03:05.000 In this data set, these attacks are classified as ethno nationalist incidents rather than left wing ones.

01:03:12.000 Like, okay.

01:03:15.000 The extent to which these people have to twist themselves into pretzels to sort of come up with the conclusions that they want to out of these.

01:03:23.000 And to Blake's point, there's a whole network of NGOs that all feed off each other and they're all sort of colluding together to propagandize the American people.

01:03:32.000 And then their lackeys in the mainstream news media just go ahead and parrot the talking points as they're told. 0.95

01:03:37.000 So it's all ridiculous, it's all a big lie. 0.98

01:03:40.000 And I think you've underscored the point. 0.80

01:03:41.000 And I'm going to clip that first segment you had where you were breaking it all down because it was powerful, Batya.

01:03:47.000 But this is their new talking point.

01:03:50.000 Trump said mean things about Rob Reiner and Rob Moeller when they died, which, by the way, we called out.

01:03:57.000 We didn't think it was classic.

01:03:58.000 I said the Rob Reiner one was the worst thing President Trump has ever said.

01:04:01.000 Yeah, we were not fans of that.

01:04:03.000 But at the same time, to make the moral equivalent here of vigilante assassination culture that's on the rise on the left.

01:04:12.000 President Trump never called for anybody to be murdered.

01:04:15.000 President Trump never called for anybody to be killed in the streets or something like that.

01:04:19.000 Yeah, he says harsh things, but usually he's referencing in relation to using the system to prosecute somebody, hold somebody accountable.

01:04:27.000 So, what do you make of this attempt to put everything at Trump's feet to make him responsible for three assassination attempts against him?

01:04:37.000 Yeah, just quickly going back to what you said about that shooter in DC, Elias Rodriguez, who killed the two young people outside the Jewish Museum. 0.53

01:04:45.000 When the police arrested him, He literally said, I did it for Gaza.

01:04:50.000 I did it for Gaza.

01:04:51.000 And then started chanting free, free Palestine as though he were on a college campus.

01:04:56.000 But to the liberal media and to these organizations, we will never know why he did what he did.

01:05:02.000 You know, it's just like President Obama.

01:05:04.000 Obama, yes. 0.99

01:05:05.000 Straight up lying.

01:05:08.000 Six hours after the manifesto of Trump's would be assassin from the White House Correspondents Jr. was published, President Obama tweets, We still don't know what motivated this guy.

01:05:18.000 We know.

01:05:19.000 And you are lying because you know that it is your side that is implicated in it.

01:05:24.000 It was a lie that was a confession, right?

01:05:26.000 Because it proved that if he admitted that we knew the motivation, we would all know who was to blame.

01:05:32.000 Yeah, on your point about Trump not being nice, like the proof is in the pudding.

01:05:36.000 The bullets are only going one way.

01:05:38.000 Like only one side's rhetoric is being interpreted as a call to arms, and it is the left.

01:05:43.000 Trump says gross things.

01:05:44.000 Yeah, he says things that are beneath the dignity of the office.

01:05:47.000 Nobody is then picking up arms and going out and trying to assassinate.

01:05:51.000 Democratic politicians.

01:05:53.000 So the proof is really like it's right there before them.

01:05:56.000 You know, I used to be a lot harsher on Trump on the way that he tweets and he talks.

01:06:01.000 I now see that as I don't like it, but it is like the other side of the coin of the things that I love about him, which is that he could care less what anybody thinks he's going to do, what he thinks is right for this country.

01:06:15.000 We have to always remember when Trump started this and even into the second term, he's not like some Democrat who had 50% of the political apparatus behind him, no matter what he does.

01:06:26.000 He had 0% behind him.

01:06:28.000 When he showed up and said, China is our biggest adversary, we're not going to have open borders, he was taking on both parties.

01:06:34.000 When he said, we're going to reshore manufacturing and impose tariffs, like, he was not getting support from his side to do that.

01:06:41.000 So, to me, you know, it's like, I wish that he was a little more dignified in how he expresses himself, but he isn't because of the very things that I find most precious about him, which is that he does not care, he's going to do what he thinks.

01:06:52.000 And he never stops to think, how is this going to come off?

01:06:55.000 How am I going to be perceived by this?

01:06:57.000 So, I have a little bit more, but I think the most important point for people to remember is, is like, If what Trump is saying is as bad as what the left is saying, how come only Charlie Kirk is getting assassinated?

01:07:07.000 And how come only Trump is trying to get assassinated?

01:07:10.000 And how come all the political violence we've seen over the last five years is coming from the left?

01:07:14.000 I mean, the proof is just right there staring us in our faces.

01:07:16.000 Yeah.

01:07:17.000 And it's like, well, when has anyone ever had to worry, oh, I shouldn't live in this neighborhood?

01:07:23.000 I shouldn't go to this place because there might be like right wing violence that will make this place unlivable or derail?

01:07:30.000 No one.

01:07:31.000 No one lives in fear.

01:07:32.000 That the Klan is going to ruin their neighborhood.

01:07:33.000 No one lives in fear that the Aryan Nations or any other right wing group, conservative group, whatever you want to say, is going to do it.

01:07:39.000 Whereas you really do. 0.52

01:07:41.000 People have changed what city they live in, what neighborhood they live in, because they know BLM, Antifa, whatever mobs that they get whipped up, they can make a neighborhood unlivable.

01:07:50.000 Well, put it this way after Charlie was assassinated, you know, left wing streamer Destiny, as he calls himself, said that conservatives need to be in fear of going out in public.

01:08:03.000 He himself has fantasized about killing somebody that he disagreed with.

01:08:07.000 He said he got really close to it, bought a gun, had maps and street maps all lined out, and had a whole plan.

01:08:14.000 He said he just didn't do it because he was making too much money streaming, so it wasn't worth it.

01:08:18.000 We've got Hassan Piker, who has called for capitalist blood to soak the streets red.

01:08:23.000 He has mused with the New York Times about social murder and what these companies are doing to justify the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

01:08:35.000 He's campaigned with Abdul, what is it, Syed or Al Syed in Michigan, who's probably going to be a senator from the state of Michigan.

01:08:46.000 And so he's being mainstreamed by the New York Times.

01:08:48.000 We have pictures of these guys together who's calling for, who's joking with, about somebody's got to do it in reference to assassinating President Trump. 0.87

01:08:59.000 So don't tell me that it's a both sides issue when you guys are platforming this joker, when you guys are this despicable human being, frankly.

01:09:09.000 Who was born in wealth and is musing about the wonders of revolution, which would be bloody, which would be murderous, which would be terrible?

01:09:18.000 They want to destroy the country and the republic, and they have no idea what the heck they're talking about. 0.98

01:09:23.000 It's disgusting. 0.98

01:09:24.000 So, yeah, go ahead. 0.97

01:09:25.000 Last minute to you, Batya. 0.80

01:09:27.000 They know that they're lying.

01:09:28.000 So, Jimmy Kimmel, bottom feeder Jimmy Kimmel, in justifying his disgusting joke about Melania, says, Well, I've always been against guns and for gun control.

01:09:39.000 And it's like, excuse my language, but.

01:09:41.000 The people with the guns are not the ones doing the shooting, okay?

01:09:44.000 The side with the guns are the peaceful side.

01:09:47.000 Half the country is heavily armed, and the other side condones violence.

01:09:52.000 They know that when they come and shoot conservatives, conservatives are not going to shoot them back.

01:09:57.000 They know that the people in America who have guns are responsible gun owners.

01:10:02.000 So they are using what they secretly know is the kindness of their conservative neighbors against them to get away with this.

01:10:11.000 Yeah, and a rising trend of left wingers who want to buy guns, not to hunt, not to protect themselves, but to go commit vigilante assassinations in the streets.

01:10:20.000 Bhatia Ungar Sargon, thank you so much.

01:10:23.000 God bless and protect you and everyone watching.

01:10:25.000 Thank you so much for having me.

01:10:26.000 Thank you.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 28, 2026

The Collapse of the "Right-Wing Violence" Scam

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