The Charlie Kirk Show - The Coming Trans-Atlantic Revolution

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 The downfall of the UK.

00:00:05.000 What if I told you that there is a movement coming across continents?

00:00:08.000 Ben Leo helps summarize my trip to the United Kingdom and the shockwaves that it made.

00:00:14.000 Then Josh Hammer joins us to talk about Harvard and President Trump's war on Harvard.

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00:00:40.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:42.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:00:51.000 I want to thank Charlie.

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00:00:53.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

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00:01:40.000 Is Ben Leo, GB News presenter and host of Ben Leo Tonight.

00:01:44.000 I really enjoyed joining his show in London.

00:01:47.000 It was a great surprise and he was the most respectful of almost anybody I had a chance to chat with in the UK.

00:01:54.000 Ben, great to see you.

00:01:54.000 Thank you for taking the time.

00:01:56.000 Charlie, you left the UK so quickly.

00:01:58.000 Is it something we said?

00:02:00.000 Well, you know, I tried my best to get arrested and I failed.

00:02:04.000 But it's hard for me to stay anywhere for more than two to three days.

00:02:07.000 I move very fast.

00:02:08.000 I had a lot of urgent stuff in the States.

00:02:10.000 But yes, we had quite an interesting time.

00:02:13.000 I want to play this piece of tape here from our conversation on GB News.

00:02:17.000 I'm told it went very viral.

00:02:18.000 You could tell me after we play it.

00:02:21.000 Play Cut 154.

00:02:22.000 The question is, is macro-Islam compatible with Western values? 0.93

00:02:27.000 Macro.

00:02:27.000 Of course it's not.

00:02:28.000 There are three major reasons why.

00:02:30.000 Islam does not believe in freedom of speech. 1.00

00:02:32.000 Islam does not believe in freedom of religion, and Islam does not believe in separation of mosque and state.

00:02:37.000 Those three things are antithetical to the West.

00:02:39.000 In a Muslim-majority country, most Muslim-majority countries, you cannot criticize the Prophet Muhammad.

00:02:47.000 In most Muslim-majority countries, you do not have the same robust freedom of religion protections.

00:02:52.000 And finally, whereas we in the West are very careful to try to intermix religion and state, they are commanded to actually go into the state and try to change the state to be more Islamic around the core pillars of Islam. 0.88

00:03:05.000 And the last thing I'll finally say is I cannot see a single Western country that has become more Islamic and has become a better place to live that is happier or freer.

00:03:14.000 So, Ben, did anyone watch that interview?

00:03:17.000 Yeah, thank you for doing it, because it was a ratings hit.

00:03:20.000 It went viral online, as you know.

00:03:23.000 millions and millions of views on YouTube, across all social channels.

00:03:25.000 Because what you said, Charlie...

00:03:42.000 And for a lot of Brits, at least, we don't know, I know, and lots of conservatives know and GB News viewers know, but most people, I'd argue, don't know about the limits on free speech here until it takes a friend from the US like yourself to come over and say, Hang on a minute, guys.

00:03:59.000 Something's not quite right here.

00:04:00.000 And what you said about Lucy Connolly specifically, you mentioned that you're going to give Marco Rubio from the State Department a heads up about Lucy's case.

00:04:08.000 I mean, that absolutely blew up.

00:04:10.000 We had a lot of people, a lot of sort of liberal lefties saying, well, hang on a minute, we don't want Americans coming over here and interfering in our politics, which is fine.

00:04:17.000 And I understand that Obama did it back in the days of the Brexit vote.

00:04:22.000 And we said, you know, we don't want Americans over here doing that kind of thing.

00:04:25.000 I think you even contested that.

00:04:26.000 I even said that, though.

00:04:27.000 I even I even, you know, I was actually looking at it from an American perspective.

00:04:31.000 But please continue.

00:04:32.000 Yeah, but I was going to say the difference between now and the Obama days and the Brexit days is I think we're in an existential threat to the future of the West.

00:04:44.000 And the scenario is different.

00:04:46.000 This isn't just a vote on Brexit and whether the UK is part of the EU or not.

00:04:50.000 I think it transcends borders and it transcends countries.

00:04:55.000 It's the West against a tyrannical globalist future.

00:04:59.000 And when we have allies and friends in the United States, albeit from a foreign government, at least...

00:05:14.000 And indeed, you mentioned 30 Brits a day, and you're absolutely right, 12,000 Brits a year being arrested for words they post on the internet, which is absolutely insane.

00:05:25.000 It was much welcome.

00:05:26.000 As I said, there was a cohort of people, mostly militant leftists, who were saying, you know, what right does Donald Trump's associates and MAGA conservatives have to come over here and talk about free speech, saying that Trump was clamping down somehow on free speech in the US?

00:05:40.000 But I've argued many times on the air since then that, look, it's more than just foreign interference.

00:05:45.000 It's the future of the West.

00:05:47.000 And if we don't do something about it and protect the very nature of free speech, and free speech for me, if you come down to it, If you're tiptoeing around on eggshells and concerned about what you're saying or how you'll deliver it because you're concerned about the consequences, that's not free speech.

00:06:03.000 A couple thoughts on this.

00:06:04.000 So first of all, I even conceded.

00:06:06.000 I said, look, I hate when foreigners come to America and tell us what to do. 1.00

00:06:09.000 I was looking at it first and foremost from an American perspective.

00:06:11.000 We call you guys allies.

00:06:13.000 We are sibling nations.

00:06:15.000 And we give you guys military aid, support, NATO.

00:06:18.000 And under that idea is that we are all in alignment against authoritarianism.

00:06:23.000 And in pursuit of quote-unquote liberal democracy.

00:06:26.000 So what then ends up happening when we're not in alignment on the big stuff?

00:06:31.000 And we're paying for it as Americans.

00:06:33.000 And so, by the way, it wasn't just the bluster.

00:06:35.000 I sat down with Marco Rubio yesterday and we chatted about a bunch of stuff.

00:06:38.000 It was his birthday, by the way.

00:06:40.000 Happy birthday, Marco.

00:06:41.000 By the way, Marco has been a 10 out of 10. He has been exceptional.

00:06:44.000 He has been amazing.

00:06:45.000 I'm a huge Marco Rubio fan.

00:06:47.000 And the bandwidth that that guy has is incredible.

00:06:50.000 And I said, look, you're keeping your—I told him about the Lucy Connelly case.

00:06:53.000 I said, we're just there.

00:06:54.000 He says, we're all on it.

00:06:55.000 We know it.

00:06:56.000 And, you know, he didn't reveal his cards any further than that.

00:06:59.000 But it's well known now in the highest levels of the American government the attack on freedom of speech happening in the United Kingdom of what is happening of 30 people a day being arrested.

00:07:12.000 Ben, you want to chime in, please?

00:07:13.000 Yeah, I was just going to say, many people here, as I said, they're so, and indeed, they've been brought up in this country.

00:07:19.000 They know no different.

00:07:20.000 I remember, I'm mid-30, so I just about remember the time when But there's especially young university students who have grown up in this era of tyranny and so-called free speech.

00:07:34.000 They think free speech exists, but you only have to look to yourselves and America and the First Amendment.

00:07:40.000 That is true free speech without consequences.

00:07:42.000 And when it comes to Rubio, I mean, amazing.

00:07:47.000 When the story came out over here, it was blowing up in the news that the facts of the State Department, it wasn't just a source said from the State Department, we're looking at this.

00:07:55.000 It was an official statement from Rubio's State Department saying we're monitoring the situation.

00:08:00.000 And I always say, though, Charlie, I think we're about, I reckon, five years behind the US politically, culturally.

00:08:08.000 I think we're going through our Biden era at the moment.

00:08:10.000 And it's always the darkest before the dawn.

00:08:13.000 And I think you need to, I said before Labour got elected in July last year when the Conservatives or the fake Conservatives were still in power, I said, look, I think we need a Labour government to really drag this country into the gutter before a lot of, So I think we're going through our Biden era at the moment.

00:08:38.000 We're probably about five years behind you, but I remain, although you have a grave assessment of your visit to the UK, Charlie, I do remain hopeful and faithful that we will soon be on your coat.

00:08:49.000 I think you're right.

00:08:50.000 And, I watched the debate, the full Cambridge debate.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, I'd love your thoughts on that.

00:09:02.000 It was an ambush attack, to say the least.

00:09:06.000 But we went through it with a smile.

00:09:09.000 But this is what's important.

00:09:10.000 I just wrote a piece for The Spectator that I encourage everyone to check out.

00:09:13.000 While I saw that your government has now been taken over, now that you have Mohammedans that have basically infiltrated all parts of the United Kingdom and of London, I do see that kind of bubbling up of the everyday man. 1.00

00:09:30.000 I would be going through restaurants in London, and people would be asking me for pictures saying, we love you, we need to have a big fight here.

00:09:38.000 And it wasn't just the Cosmopolitans.

00:09:40.000 It was also...

00:09:43.000 That was what was so interesting, is that the working class of Britain was asking for selfies with me.

00:09:50.000 I'm like, okay, that's very interesting.

00:09:51.000 We call them the muscular class in America, and they're largely forgotten.

00:09:55.000 They do not vote.

00:09:57.000 Many of them did vote in Brexit, though, which was the highest turnout election in history.

00:10:02.000 Can you tell our audience, how is Nigel Farage's Reform Party?

00:10:09.000 No, it's not bluster.

00:10:17.000 They are absolutely smashing it.

00:10:19.000 They are destroying it.

00:10:20.000 We had some elections three weeks ago, so there's So the winning party becomes the governing body.

00:10:30.000 And then you get local elections as well.

00:10:33.000 So that's when people in their local vicinity vote for local councillors and councils, local authorities.

00:10:38.000 They handle things such as school funding, local rubbish, trash collections and so on and so on.

00:10:44.000 So more of the sort of nitty gritty stuff at those local elections.

00:10:47.000 Three weeks ago now, reform.

00:10:49.000 Absolutely smashed it.

00:10:50.000 Hundreds of councillors, dozens of council, control of councils.

00:10:55.000 There was a by-election, which is basically, it was an individual race for one MP constituency seat in the north-west of England.

00:11:03.000 Reform won that against the odds.

00:11:05.000 It was a massive Labour stronghold.

00:11:07.000 They won three morality races.

00:11:09.000 So they got three new mayors across Great Britain.

00:11:12.000 So they destroyed it.

00:11:13.000 And do you know what?

00:11:15.000 Keir Starmer today, the Prime Minister, reformed, by the way.

00:11:18.000 Over the past six months or so, Labour and the government and Keir Starmer have been mocking reform, saying that they could only fit their MPs in the back of a taxi, for example, because they're so insignificant.

00:11:30.000 Today, Keir Starmer gave a massive speech at some industrial centre in the north of England.

00:11:34.000 He talked for a little bit about the reason why he was there, and then he launched into some obsessive rants about Nigel Farage, about reform, and so on and so on.

00:11:43.000 So he's completely rattled, and he's also changing.

00:11:45.000 I call him a political chameleon.

00:11:47.000 He's changing his rhetoric off the back of this surge from reform, who are polling now at 31%.

00:11:53.000 I think a new poll came out today.

00:11:54.000 Labour down on 23%.

00:11:56.000 The Tories, I mean, they're just long gone.

00:11:57.000 They're forgotten.

00:11:58.000 That's the price you pay for being fake conservatives.

00:12:01.000 But yeah, the momentum is there.

00:12:03.000 It's three, four years to go until a general election, so there's a long way to go.

00:12:07.000 But reform do have all the momentum.

00:12:09.000 And it echoes, I'd say, of 2016.

00:12:12.000 With Trump, I remember that race in 2016 with Hillary.

00:12:15.000 And it was the working class.

00:12:17.000 It was the Rust Belt.

00:12:19.000 This end, we call it the Red Wall.

00:12:21.000 The Red Wall is traditional Labour voters, working class voters. 0.95

00:12:25.000 Labour used to be the party of the working man.

00:12:27.000 Now they're the party of champagne socialists and big corporations.

00:12:30.000 Funny that.

00:12:31.000 But that's what reform are tapping into.

00:12:33.000 If they can win that red wall, which they did at the local elections, I think maybe in three or four years we'll see Prime Minister Farage.

00:12:39.000 And my hope is for...

00:12:43.000 That is my hope.

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00:14:01.000 Continuing with us is Ben Leo from GB news.

00:14:04.000 So Ben, You haven't seen Oxford yet, but the kind of impression you had from an American going to the best universities in Britain.

00:14:16.000 Well, I had a question for you, first of all.

00:14:18.000 I watched the full debate earlier, and some of it I was absolutely howling off my chair.

00:14:23.000 It was so ferocious it was funny.

00:14:25.000 Not ferocious from you.

00:14:26.000 You handled them expertly.

00:14:28.000 Particularly the young lady in the U.S. flag jumper, the last guy at the end, the Prince Harry lookalike, who for some reason was bouncing up and down.

00:14:39.000 I wanted to know how these students compare to the students that you frequent in the U.S., Charlie.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, so they're definitely, let's say they have a higher intelligence quotient.

00:14:49.000 They are definitely smarter book smart than your everyday state school in America.

00:14:57.000 But they have no wisdom.

00:14:59.000 And this is what's very important.

00:15:01.000 And this is the point, is that they are the least wise group of people that I've ever come in contact with.

00:15:07.000 Ever.

00:15:08.000 And wisdom is the knowledge of things that never change.

00:15:13.000 They know a bunch of facts.

00:15:14.000 They could get high test scores.

00:15:16.000 but their lack of understanding of human nature and our relationship to one another.

00:15:21.000 And honestly, I will say that...

00:15:25.000 They have some high rhetorical ability, but they were still resorting to their pre-prepared AI-generated remarks reading from a phone or shaking like a leaf.

00:15:35.000 your thoughts, Ben?

00:15:36.000 Yeah, I've said for many years now, even before watching your sort of debates over the years with university, college students, I've always said, I think university now these days is a hindrance to a young person's development because there is no expectation There is no sharing of ideas.

00:15:52.000 It's infiltrated by Marxist ideology.

00:15:54.000 And I've got two young boys myself.

00:15:56.000 I've always said, unless things change, I don't want them going to university.

00:15:58.000 And in actual fact, when I used to work at, I was a reporter at one of the, well, the biggest newspaper here in the UK for seven years.

00:16:04.000 We regularly used to have people coming in for work experience or what you guys would call internships, right?

00:16:09.000 So you get young journalists coming into the office to get some experience.

00:16:13.000 They'd come straight from university with...

00:16:19.000 They'd done three, four, five years, got in hundreds of pounds worth of debt.

00:16:23.000 And they couldn't even look somebody in the eye or pick up the phone or knock on the door, which is essential as a journalist, and say hello or ask a question.

00:16:32.000 It was just insane.

00:16:34.000 They have no social skills.

00:16:35.000 They spend their time, unfortunately, heads buried into screens.

00:16:39.000 And these days, I've always argued, and I think I'm absolutely correct in saying it, I'd rather hire somebody who had one or two years on the job.

00:16:46.000 Who could speak to somebody and look them in the eye and behave as a human being, be empathetic and just be a normal person than somebody, some academic with, as I said, degrees and qualifications coming out there is.

00:16:57.000 The students you spoke to at Cambridge, as I said, I was completely laughing at my chair.

00:17:01.000 The one young lady you spoke to with the American flag on, she's here now on screen, you were making the point that Western women on the whole were unhappier than decades ago.

00:17:10.000 I agree with that.

00:17:11.000 The studies show that she, with respect to her, And unfortunately, my assessment is that a lot of these young people, and I don't blame them personally.

00:17:31.000 I blame the system because we've had people now struggling to get homes.

00:17:34.000 They can't have or won't have families until they buy houses or own a property.

00:17:39.000 The cost of living is sky high.

00:17:40.000 So I kind of understand why they don't want to settle down and do that.

00:17:45.000 predominantly just given an absolute lie over the years of feminism and told they can have it all. 1.00

00:17:51.000 This kind of person, this lady here, with respect to her, she's a prime example of somebody I would argue would be a lot happier getting out of that university environment, stop reading stuff online and studies and this and that, and just go and enjoy the beauty and the happiness of life and children.

00:18:09.000 She would be much happier if she got married and had kids. 0.94

00:18:11.000 She's a deeply unhappy person.

00:18:13.000 But look, the Oxford students, they were long on wit, but they were short on wisdom.

00:18:18.000 And that's what matters most.

00:18:20.000 Wisdom.

00:18:21.000 The wisdom of the working class of Britain has a lot more than anything at Cambridge.

00:18:25.000 Ben, thank you so much.

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00:19:28.000 you Let me see if my story is in here.

00:19:32.000 The Wall Street Journal.

00:19:34.000 It might be here because it's a great segue.

00:19:34.000 Let me see.

00:19:36.000 I actually meant to see.

00:19:37.000 There was a whole story that they did on Harvard.

00:19:41.000 Or just that school in Boston.

00:19:44.000 I went to school in Boston.

00:19:46.000 You're not fooling anybody.

00:19:47.000 Doesn't have the allure it used to.

00:19:50.000 Trying to find this story here.

00:19:53.000 I think it's here somewhere.

00:19:55.000 Let me see.

00:19:56.000 Anyway.

00:19:57.000 Should be on the front page tomorrow.

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00:20:01.000 In the story, which is online, it will soon be printed.

00:20:04.000 In the print copy.

00:20:05.000 I am quoted by saying, Charlie, every time he sees President Trump, reminds him to, quote, crush these universities with every power that he has.

00:20:14.000 That is true.

00:20:14.000 That is not fake news.

00:20:15.000 In fact, yesterday when I was with President Trump, I mean, he was already there.

00:20:18.000 I'm not taking credit for it.

00:20:19.000 But I was certainly affirming it.

00:20:21.000 I said, you need to crush Harvard in its current form.

00:20:26.000 And he says, oh, I am.

00:20:28.000 And I plan to.

00:20:29.000 Make an example out of them.

00:20:31.000 Joining us now is Josh Hammer, host of The Josh Hammer Show, senior editor-at-large at Newsweek, author of Israel and Civilization.

00:20:38.000 Don't tell me you went to Harvard, too, Josh.

00:20:40.000 I mean, come on.

00:20:41.000 Did you?

00:20:42.000 Charlie, I am not a Harvard man.

00:20:43.000 I did not go to school in Boston, as they said.

00:20:45.000 As they school in Boston.

00:20:46.000 There's many elements of this, but first, let's talk about what is wrong with Harvard.

00:20:51.000 For someone that is just tuning in, and they say, why is Trump waging war on our best university?

00:20:57.000 What is the contention?

00:20:59.000 Write the indictment, Josh Hammer.

00:21:02.000 Okay, so the fundamental indictment against Harvard University, I mean, the way you framed it is actually quite perfect, because you want to make an example of the worst actor, the most prestigious institution when it comes to layman prestige across the country.

00:21:17.000 The Ivy League in general, Charlie, has been out of line with American Western values for far longer than you or I have been alive.

00:21:24.000 A point that I like to remind the listeners and viewers when this topic comes up.

00:21:29.000 Let's think back to William F. Buckley Jr., the founder of National Review.

00:21:32.000 He found the National Review in the 1950s, literally before he even found the National Review.

00:21:36.000 He wrote a book called God and Man at Yale.

00:21:39.000 It was the first book that Buckley ever published.

00:21:41.000 He wrote that shortly after he graduated from Yale.

00:21:44.000 1951, barely after victory against the Nazis in World War II, when William Buckley is already writing about leftist, socialist, secularist, atheist decadence in the Ivy League ivory tower.

00:21:56.000 So this has been a problem for a very, very long time.

00:21:59.000 I mean, the rise of the 1960s Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxist Campus Radicals has been very well documented.

00:22:04.000 Chris Rufo had a great book on this just about a year and a half, two years ago or so.

00:22:07.000 And I think what we've seen since October 7th is this just take on an unavoidable When you see people tearing down American flags on Harvard University, which, by the way, they've done.

00:22:22.000 They're putting up the PLO flag, the Palestine Liberation Organization flag there.

00:22:25.000 People chanting not just terrible things about Jewish people, but also just about the United States.

00:22:31.000 You know, the so-called Students for Justice in Palestine chapter at Columbia literally calling to eradicate Western civilization.

00:22:36.000 Harvard, Charlie, lest I need to remind the viewers here.

00:22:41.000 Harvard was also sued badly, and they lost badly when it came to affirmative action.

00:22:46.000 That's exactly right.

00:22:47.000 I hate to interrupt, Josh.

00:22:48.000 This is what we're not talking about enough.

00:22:50.000 This is the smoking gun.

00:22:52.000 They still have defied the Supreme Court's order on this.

00:22:56.000 They are in blatant violation of federal law.

00:22:58.000 Please continue, Josh Hammer.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, so they lost badly in the Students for Fair Admissions versus Harvard case.

00:23:03.000 They were singled out.

00:23:04.000 By the way, Charlie, one of my best friends in the world, a brilliant lawyer by the name of Adam Martara, he was actually the trial lawyer against Harvard in this case.

00:23:11.000 So I know this case actually quite well.

00:23:13.000 Harvard's admissions policies, when it came to the Students for Fair Admissions case, were blatantly, overtly discriminatory.

00:23:20.000 They were clearly, clearly violating the 14th Amendment, violating the Civil Rights Act, Title VI, when they were discriminating against white people.

00:23:31.000 And the key part for present purposes, Charlie, is that the Trump executive order, probably the single most important executive order that Trump has signed into law, and he signed a lot of good ones, but the single most important, the executive order that I said essentially achieved a Cold War victory without firing a single shot for our side,

00:23:48.000 the forces of civilizational sanity, was where, among other things, back on January 20th, he interpreted this case, the Students for Fair Missions versus Harvard case, as also requiring an end to DEI and everything else that smacks of anti-white, anti-Asian, anti-American, anti-Western bigotry on campuses.

00:24:05.000 Harvard has flagrantly stuck their middle fingers at this there.

00:24:08.000 So it's far more than just anti-Semitism.

00:24:10.000 It's not...

00:24:11.000 I'm glad you said that.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, and so, I mean, look, here's where I think we can potentially make a little bit of a misstep.

00:24:18.000 I hate anti-Semitism.

00:24:19.000 You do too.

00:24:20.000 I mean, I fight it all the time, right?

00:24:21.000 However, you're allowed to be critical of a certain foreign policy decision.

00:24:26.000 Free speech, you're allowed to do that.

00:24:28.000 What is the contention, though, of where they're in violation of federal law when it comes to this or federal guidelines?

00:24:34.000 Can you help contextualize that?

00:24:37.000 Because I don't want to get to a place where Am I understanding that correctly?

00:24:48.000 Yeah, so there's numerous things, right?

00:24:50.000 So first of all, there's a Trump executive order from 2019.

00:24:54.000 This is one of his executive orders that was produced by the Department of Education, Office of Civil Rights back then when Ken Marcus was leading it there.

00:25:01.000 And back then, they interpreted Title VI of the Civil Rights Act for the very first time to apply to Jews.

00:25:08.000 And one of the things that they did as part of this executive order that Trump signed six years ago now was he said that anti-Zionism constitutes anti-Semitism for purposes of Title VI.

00:25:18.000 Now, Charlie, it's important to define terms.

00:25:19.000 There's a lot of confusion as to what anti-Zionism is.

00:25:22.000 Simply criticizing the policies of a democratically elected government is obviously and transparently not anti-Semitism.

00:25:29.000 Anyone who's ever met Trump.

00:25:38.000 I mean, literally going back to the Talmud and so forth, right?

00:25:41.000 But what is anti-Zionism is calling for the destruction of a country.

00:25:45.000 What is anti-Semitism is to use such genesis. 0.51

00:25:54.000 That would fall outside of constitutional free speech limits.

00:25:58.000 It is a fine line.

00:25:59.000 I don't pretend this is kind of a bright line ruled one way or the other there, but there have been judicial rules given by courts over the years, and the line ends up being somewhere in that gray area right there.

00:26:09.000 Yeah, and so let's play Cut 362.

00:26:12.000 This is President Trump talking about Havid yesterday.

00:26:15.000 Play Cut 362.

00:26:16.000 Columbia has been really, and they were very, very bad what they've done.

00:26:21.000 They're very anti-Semitic and lots of other things.

00:26:24.000 But they're working with us on finding a solution.

00:26:28.000 And, you know, they're taking off that hot seat.

00:26:30.000 But Harvard wants to fight.

00:26:32.000 They want to show how smart they are, and they're getting their ass kicked.

00:26:35.000 Okay, so how do you think Harvard is going to react to all this?

00:26:40.000 Do you think they're going to give in and surrender at some point?

00:26:43.000 They're in a very, very difficult position.

00:26:45.000 Well, I'll tell you who I don't think is going to surrender.

00:26:47.000 I don't think that Donald Trump is going to surrender because this is a politically winning fight.

00:26:51.000 I mean, let's hold the policy, the law aside for a second, Charlie, just focusing on the brute politics of this.

00:26:56.000 What an amazing political operation, an amazing political move by Donald Trump and his whole administration.

00:27:03.000 I mean, they're literally making an enemy of one of the least popular institutions in America.

00:27:08.000 Higher education in general is not very popular.

00:27:10.000 Harvard University is definitely not popular.

00:27:12.000 They are making the Democratic Party, which once upon a time purported to be the bastion of the working class in this country, the old white working class there. 0.73

00:27:20.000 You know, they are making these people bend over backwards to defend Harvard University, to tell people earning, you know, 30, 40, $50,000 a year.

00:27:30.000 They're putting that Democrats in a position to tell these folks, these hardworking men and women, that your taxpayer dollars should go fund these ivory tower socialist Marxist Jew-hating America-hating lunatics on the Charles River in Boston.

00:27:42.000 It's a brilliant, brilliant political move.

00:27:44.000 So for that reason, among others, I simply don't see the Trump administration giving in here.

00:27:48.000 I think that Harvard ultimately is going to be forced to blink first.

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00:28:47.000 I want to play this piece of tape here as we welcome back Josh Hammer, the great Josh Hammer.

00:28:51.000 Let's play Cut 365 from Bill Ackman.

00:28:53.000 Harvard is in a very bad place.

00:28:55.000 And what they should be doing is they should have We know that his strategy, negotiating strategy, is to ask for, you know, get the headlines with a crazy ask, and then he wants to make a deal.

00:29:08.000 And they should have said, you're right, President Trump, we're hiring Alex Partners, a restructuring firm, and we're going to do a zero-based budget of what the administrative expense of Harvard should look like.

00:29:17.000 We're going to restructure our organization.

00:29:20.000 You're right, we've done a horrible job.

00:29:23.000 Protecting students from hate and allowing pro-terrorist protesters to interfere with education and we're going to stop it now and we're going to enforce our code of conduct which Harvard has not done.

00:29:36.000 So Josh, can we talk about the brilliance of the politics here?

00:29:41.000 Most of America is not college educated.

00:29:44.000 Most of America has not gone to any college.

00:29:47.000 Even those that are college educated, they don't necessarily look at delight, at the smugness, the pomposity, and the elitism of Harvard.

00:29:55.000 In many ways, this is a populist fight, one that the workers of this country say, you know what, why do they have $55 billion?

00:30:03.000 What good are they doing anyway?

00:30:04.000 Josh, comment on the politics of this, and then I have one devil's advocate question, please.

00:30:09.000 Yeah, so this is a perfect issue for the MAGA America First Nationals Populist Coalition.

00:30:15.000 I mean, it is a truly pitch perfect issue.

00:30:17.000 I mean, Donald Trump has been talking for years.

00:30:19.000 Senator Tom Kahn has actually proposed legislation about taxing the Ivy League endowments at a much higher rate.

00:30:24.000 By the way, Charlie, Harvard's endowment is taxed at a 1.4% rate.

00:30:29.000 1.4%.

00:30:31.000 I mean, are you kidding me right now?

00:30:34.000 Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, many others have spoken for years about trying to tax these endowments and try to redistribute them to trade schools, electrician schools, plumbing schools there.

00:30:44.000 It's not just good politics.

00:30:46.000 It's also good public policy.

00:30:47.000 It is a beautiful Venn diagram overlap sweet spot here where it really kind of checks all the boxes.

00:30:52.000 But I remember it was back during the campaign, back when Barack Obama was still on the campaign trail as a Kamala Harris surrogate.

00:30:58.000 And this is when kind of the anti-Harvard rhetoric started picking up from the Trump-Van side of the ledger.

00:31:03.000 And Barack Obama, who was a Harvard Law graduate, started defending Harvard University.

00:31:07.000 I mean, could you imagine better politics for the Republican Party and the MAGA coalition than forcing Barack freaking Obama to defend Harvard University?

00:31:15.000 I mean, it's amazing.

00:31:16.000 I mean, this is probably a 95 to 5 issue.

00:31:18.000 This is probably up there with deporting Mahmoud Khalil.

00:31:21.000 I'm with you really quick.

00:31:22.000 So about a minute remaining, though.

00:31:23.000 Is there any fear that we are going to be neutering our best research institutions?

00:31:31.000 That is what some dissenting voices that I trust are cautioning.

00:31:35.000 Charlie, this country is 30-plus trillion dollars in debt, okay?

00:31:39.000 And at some point, you have to start trying to make sure that this money is serving the common good.

00:31:44.000 That is the only reason that higher ed ever gets favorable tax treatment, all this fiscal taxpayer largesse in the first place, is that we once upon a time thought that they produced sound citizens inculcated in the good virtues to conduce to the common good.

00:31:55.000 they drop their end of the bargain.

00:31:56.000 If Harvard wants to stop discriminating against Americans, against white people, Asians, Mormons, Jews, all of the above, if they want to stop doing that, You know, then we can have that conversation.

00:32:05.000 But unless and until that happens there, I see Donald Trump should raise them to the ground and salt the ashes.

00:32:11.000 Very good.

00:32:11.000 Josh Hammer, please plug your stuff so our audience can follow you.

00:32:15.000 So my show is The Josh Hammer Show.

00:32:15.000 Yeah, you bet.

00:32:17.000 I'm on X, Josh underscore Hammer.

00:32:19.000 And my book right behind me is Israel and Civilization, the Fate of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West.

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 And Josh, I want to have you back on about the Israel topic because it's very hot.

00:32:28.000 It is, in some ways, dividing at least the online.

00:32:32.000 I don't know how much it is outside of that.

00:32:34.000 But it's definitely dividing a lot of conservative information.

00:32:38.000 influencers.

00:32:38.000 And I seek to try to find reconciliation.

00:32:41.000 I think we actually have more in common on this issue than people realize.

00:32:44.000 I mean, there's there's the fringes, but I think there's actually when it's properly presented more agreement than I think is always understood.

00:32:51.000 Josh, thank you so much.

00:32:53.000 God bless you, Charlie.

00:32:54.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:55.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 30, 2025

The Coming Trans-Atlantic Revolution

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