The Charlie Kirk Show - January 01, 2022


The Complete Story of the FBI Raid on Project Veritas with James O'Keefe


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A very important conversation with James O'Keefe from Project Veritas about the FBI showing up at his apartment at 6 a.m. in the morning, and the story gets even more interesting from there. Here we go.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, a very important conversation with James O'Keefe from Project Veritas.
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00:00:36.000 James O'Keeffe is here.
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00:01:38.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show, everybody.
00:01:39.000 James O'Keefe, how you doing, man?
00:01:41.000 Great to be with you.
00:01:42.000 I mention you quite often on our show.
00:01:44.000 Thank you.
00:01:45.000 I don't think you want to be as mentioned as much as I mentioned you, though.
00:01:48.000 Because I'm mentioning you for things I think you want to be mentioned for, even though you did nothing wrong.
00:01:48.000 I have to say that.
00:01:54.000 That's right.
00:01:54.000 So we have a lot to talk about and I'm a lot that I'm curious about.
00:01:58.000 So let's start with kind of just this recent development.
00:02:04.000 FBI shows up on Friday night to your journalist homes, Saturday morning to your homes.
00:02:09.000 Is that right?
00:02:10.000 They showed up on Thursday, November 3rd to our reporter homes, and then on Saturday morning at 6 a.m. to my apartment.
00:02:20.000 And what were they looking for?
00:02:21.000 Well, they had a search warrant for my cell phone.
00:02:25.000 A magistrate judge had signed a search warrant, and they were looking for the phone that I had, only the cell phones, nothing more.
00:02:33.000 And they came to my home at 6 a.m.
00:02:37.000 I sort of came to at 6 a.m.
00:02:39.000 I heard, I heard it sort of, you know, a very heavy pounding knock.
00:02:43.000 And my first thought was, you know, I just sort of, I'm not very much of a morning person, but it occurred to me, okay, the authorities must be at my door.
00:02:52.000 And the first thought that occurred to me was, how long have they been pounding on my door before they break it down?
00:02:59.000 Because they give you a courtesy knock and then they're going to use the battering ram.
00:03:02.000 So I sort of ran through the apartment to my front door.
00:03:05.000 It's pitch black.
00:03:08.000 And then I go to open the door and then I sort of think, well, this is kind of a dangerous, scary moment because if I swing the door open, are they going to shoot me?
00:03:16.000 I don't know what's going on.
00:03:17.000 So I open the door and there's 10 or 12 federal agents in blue jackets with big white lights, kind of the ones that are shining on me.
00:03:26.000 So I can't really see them fully.
00:03:28.000 They're shining the lights.
00:03:29.000 There's white lights.
00:03:30.000 They're shining white lights in my face.
00:03:35.000 My colleague Spencer told me that he looked through the keyhole and they cover up the keyhole so you can't even see who it actually is.
00:03:42.000 These are things that no one ever knows unless you get raided by the FBI.
00:03:46.000 The difference is I'm an American journalist.
00:03:48.000 So this is like a Rubicon they've never actually crossed before.
00:03:52.000 They've never crossed this Rubicon but put journalists in handcuffs.
00:03:55.000 If Trump did this to Brian Stelter, That would never be acceptable in Brian Self.
00:04:01.000 He's not a journalist, though.
00:04:02.000 I mean, that's fair.
00:04:03.000 And that's what they say about me.
00:04:05.000 So we're sort of depriving me of my humanity.
00:04:08.000 But in any event, this happens.
00:04:10.000 They spin me around.
00:04:11.000 They put me in handcuffs and they sort of throw me up against the hallway outside my apartment.
00:04:17.000 I'm in handcuffs.
00:04:18.000 And the first thing I'm thinking is, is this standard operating procedure?
00:04:21.000 What is this?
00:04:22.000 Were they handcuff you first?
00:04:23.000 They handcuffed me first.
00:04:25.000 No warrant for your arrest.
00:04:26.000 They did not show me the warrant yet.
00:04:28.000 They handcuffed me.
00:04:29.000 I did not know this was standard operating procedure.
00:04:31.000 And I thought, well, I must be under arrest.
00:04:33.000 So, of course, I asked to speak to my attorney.
00:04:36.000 Eventually, they bring me back into my apartment some 10 minutes later.
00:04:41.000 And then I'm sitting down in handcuffs.
00:04:43.000 And I say, I'd like to speak to my lawyer.
00:04:45.000 And then they said, would you, you know, of course, I don't have my lawyer's phone number memorized.
00:04:49.000 Neither do you.
00:04:50.000 None of us know our phone numbers except for maybe if it's our parents or something.
00:04:55.000 So I asked to, you know, they say, would you like to use the phone that's sitting on your nightstand?
00:04:59.000 I said, well, yes, that's where my number and my phone is.
00:05:03.000 And then as soon as I'm done making that phone call, they let me make that phone call.
00:05:08.000 As soon as I'm done, of course, my lawyer's not awake since it's 6:15 in the morning on a Saturday.
00:05:14.000 No one's awake.
00:05:16.000 As soon as I'm done finishing that call, they snatch the phone out of my hand, thus giving them access to my phone because I'd entered my password.
00:05:24.000 So it was basically, I guess, a ruse in order for them to have access to my phone.
00:05:29.000 And then they put it in the evidence bag and left the evidence bag open.
00:05:32.000 So it's conceivable that if you wouldn't have made that call, they might not have access to your phone.
00:05:36.000 It's conceivable because they can't, they have to get the password or, you know, they have to know that password.
00:05:41.000 And this is what, this is so unconscious.
00:05:44.000 So interesting.
00:05:44.000 I'm an American journalist, and they took my reporter notes, my phone.
00:05:50.000 They could never do that.
00:05:51.000 See, Charlie, they would, they could never, ever do this to a reporter at NBC News.
00:05:57.000 And as you rightly point out, many of those people are not journalists.
00:06:00.000 Propagandists.
00:06:02.000 So the prosecutor, this is in the Southern District of New York, filed a series of motions back and forth.
00:06:06.000 And thankfully, the judge in New York put an end to this.
00:06:10.000 She said, stop looking through O'Keefe's phone.
00:06:12.000 She ordered the FBI. 0.87
00:06:13.000 That's like a left-wing judge, though, right?
00:06:15.000 It's an Obama.
00:06:16.000 Well, unfortunately, we speak in the language of ideology pertaining to our judges, and that's not really how this country is supposed to be.
00:06:23.000 But let's assume that is how it is.
00:06:25.000 I don't necessarily agree with that.
00:06:27.000 President Obama appointed this particular federal judge, Article III judge, a constitutionally appointed judge, ordered the FBI to stop doing this a few days after they took the phone.
00:06:37.000 And then recently, the judge ordered what's called a special master, which is highly unusual.
00:06:43.000 And the judge cited, quote, journalistic privilege.
00:06:46.000 So this is an extraordinary, I mean, unbelievable, unprecedented thing in American history.
00:06:51.000 It's one thing for them to do this sort of thing to other people, but for them to do it to a journalist, under the First Amendment, I have a right, if someone sends me something, a document, as long as I didn't have anything to do with the obtaining of that document, it's my first own right to publish it.
00:07:07.000 And in this case, I didn't even publish it.
00:07:10.000 What more could I have done as a responsible, ethical person and journalist?
00:07:16.000 But didn't you try to turn it to law enforcement, too?
00:07:18.000 We eventually gave it to Delray police because we didn't know who it belonged to.
00:07:22.000 So we handed it into Florida local police, and we reached out to the Biden campaign for comment.
00:07:28.000 We said, well, maybe there's an off chance Joe Biden will have something to say about this.
00:07:31.000 And if he does, we'll take a look.
00:07:33.000 If he doesn't, then we're not going to do anything.
00:07:36.000 And I made the internal decision internally because I couldn't verify.
00:07:40.000 I couldn't authenticate this diary.
00:07:43.000 I didn't publish it.
00:07:44.000 And by the way, that does show the American people I'm not this political right-wing operative. 0.98
00:07:50.000 Well, if I was a political right-wing operative, I would have published the damn thing. 0.75
00:07:54.000 But I didn't because we have ethics and we have standards. 0.97
00:07:57.000 And then they raid my home.
00:08:00.000 What was on the warrant to raid your home?
00:08:02.000 Why didn't they subpoena your phone?
00:08:04.000 Why do they go straight to a search warrant?
00:08:06.000 These are great questions.
00:08:07.000 And the magistrate judge who signed the warrant, then this is truly extraordinary.
00:08:12.000 The ACLU, as long as I've known you, Charlie, this has never happened.
00:08:16.000 Has the ACL ever defended Turning Points?
00:08:18.000 Yeah, they've fallen quite far.
00:08:20.000 Well, the ACLU.
00:08:21.000 No, no.
00:08:21.000 The ACLU defended Project Veritas this month.
00:08:25.000 The reporters committee, like Wolf Blitzer is on that committee, defended Project Veritas.
00:08:31.000 Trevor Tim from the Freedom of the Press and society professional journalists, all these groups that for some reason are constantly going after you and I, they defended me because even they were like, this is so crazy.
00:08:47.000 So the reporters committee sent a legal motion to the prosecutors and said, this is nuts.
00:08:55.000 Show us the affidavit.
00:08:57.000 Show us the basis that granted you guys.
00:08:59.000 Who signed the warrant?
00:09:01.000 Not a federal judge, not a federal Article III judge, but what's called a magistrate judge.
00:09:06.000 But didn't you say a magistrate judge was approved?
00:09:08.000 A magistrate judge signed that.
00:09:10.000 A magistrate judge is like a lower judge in the federal court system to handle matters such as these.
00:09:15.000 A magistrate judge named Sarah Cave in Manhattan, the Southern District of New York, signed the warrant.
00:09:23.000 And the affidavit, which is the basis for that warrant, is sealed.
00:09:27.000 Only way we can see it is if charges are filed at some point.
00:09:30.000 So we'll never get to see that warrant.
00:09:33.000 And Sarah Cave, the magistrate judge, sent the reporters committee letter to the prosecutors, like, yeah, please respond to this.
00:09:40.000 So this has all been happening, Charlie, in the last month.
00:09:42.000 Let me ask you, if you think you lived in Dallas, do you think that a judge would have signed off on this?
00:09:47.000 It's a really good question because we don't know what was going through that magistrate judge's mind when she signed that.
00:09:53.000 I'll speak just for our listeners.
00:09:55.000 So a subpoena, any FBI agent can issue a subpoena.
00:09:58.000 You go to a printer, you press print, that's a subpoena.
00:10:00.000 Give me your texts.
00:10:02.000 By this day, your lawyers deal it.
00:10:04.000 Search warrant is a totally different threshold.
00:10:06.000 It's an aggressive.
00:10:07.000 No, but the FBI is not allowed to do a search warrant alone.
00:10:09.000 Unless they get judicial over.
00:10:11.000 That's what I'm saying, is that it takes two branches of government, technically, to go through your home.
00:10:16.000 That's correct.
00:10:17.000 However, I'm saying technically.
00:10:20.000 No, you're absolutely everything you've said is correct.
00:10:22.000 I just wanted to make a few additional comments.
00:10:25.000 Sometimes, and again, I'm speculating here, maybe that maybe the magistrate judge doesn't fully understand the full extent.
00:10:32.000 We don't know what was in the affidavit.
00:10:34.000 That she saw an affidavit.
00:10:37.000 An affidavit is the basis.
00:10:39.000 A statement of facts by the FBI.
00:10:41.000 By the Bureau.
00:10:42.000 By saying, hey, we want permission to go to James O'Keefe's apartment.
00:10:44.000 Correct.
00:10:44.000 Here's why.
00:10:45.000 And we don't know what Ashley Biden and her lawyer alleged.
00:10:49.000 And by the way, let me remind people, it's a crime to lie to the FBI.
00:10:53.000 We don't know what it is that they alleged.
00:10:56.000 But now it's come out, especially after this New York Times article.
00:10:59.000 Every day, Charlie, they write another front-page hit piece at the New York Times and Washington Post.
00:11:03.000 Every day.
00:11:04.000 We're getting used to it.
00:11:06.000 Oh, every day.
00:11:07.000 This is yesterday, front page.
00:11:09.000 What was that one about?
00:11:09.000 Two days ago.
00:11:10.000 This was all about the circumstances by which the diary was apparently left at this apartment in Florida.
00:11:16.000 Well, we're going to get into the diary in a second because it's the whole thing so this diary was like sort of left there based upon the statements by the people who found it.
00:11:24.000 And we don't know what's in the affidavit, but this happens.
00:11:27.000 And they come into my home and finally they show me this search warrant.
00:11:31.000 And the warrant lists a series of possible crimes that either I may have committed or I know somebody else has committed.
00:11:39.000 And the crimes are, this is wild.
00:11:42.000 It says misprison of a felony.
00:11:44.000 None of you know what that means.
00:11:46.000 And I didn't know whether I don't either until I talked to the people on my team.
00:11:50.000 Apparently, it's that you sort of knew that a crime has been committed and you didn't do anything about it, which is a bystander law.
00:11:57.000 It's a bystander law, which is never very hard to prosecute.
00:11:59.000 Which has never been prosecuted.
00:12:00.000 I was going to say, yeah.
00:12:01.000 Number two, accessory after the fact.
00:12:05.000 That's so preposterous.
00:12:06.000 Do you know why they created these laws?
00:12:08.000 For the mob.
00:12:09.000 Because they created these because they couldn't get them on anybody else.
00:12:12.000 Of course.
00:12:12.000 Journalism.
00:12:13.000 And the Washington Post, if you're a national security reporter and you get a secretly leaked illegal document given to you by a third party.
00:12:21.000 Do you know what it's called, Charlie?
00:12:23.000 When the Washington Post or the New York Times publishes a document that someone else illegally obtained?
00:12:28.000 It's called a Tuesday and a Thursday.
00:12:32.000 Now do you understand the implications for them coming into my house and putting me in hand?
00:12:37.000 And the argument, let me just finish it.
00:12:38.000 The argument comes fully down to whether, and this is semantics, it's nomenclature.
00:12:44.000 The prosecutor said before Your Honor, well, Mr. O'Keefe is not a journalist.
00:12:49.000 I'm paraphrasing the motion.
00:12:50.000 Mr. O'Keeffe is not a journalist.
00:12:51.000 Why not?
00:12:52.000 Because he doesn't get consent from the people he reports on, which is an argument so effing absurd because the very raison d'être behind investigative reporting is to report things that people don't want reported.
00:13:06.000 So now do you see how fundamental this fight is?
00:13:10.000 Yeah, I mean, that's like saying the New York Times didn't get Trump's consent before publication.
00:13:14.000 That's outrageous.
00:13:14.000 Yeah, but let me ask you a question.
00:13:16.000 That's outrageous.
00:13:17.000 Did they have any evidence that you suspected or knew this diary was stolen?
00:13:21.000 Didn't you ask?
00:13:21.000 No.
00:13:22.000 I had no idea that you were a story.
00:13:23.000 That's the most important thing, right?
00:13:24.000 You didn't even know if it was authentic.
00:13:27.000 We did not know.
00:13:28.000 I sent an email to my staff, and it was a tough call because in this diary, there were private things that were said.
00:13:36.000 But I did not know, first of all, I didn't know with 100% certainty whether the diary was hers.
00:13:44.000 And if there was a possibility it wasn't, I couldn't take that chance.
00:13:48.000 I need to be at Veritas.
00:13:49.000 We have high ethical standards.
00:13:51.000 So I couldn't authenticate it.
00:13:53.000 And even if I could authenticate it 100%, I didn't know if the contents of the diary occurred.
00:14:00.000 I had written diaries as a kid.
00:14:01.000 I said some things like poetry.
00:14:04.000 I don't know what it means.
00:14:06.000 And I didn't feel comfortable.
00:14:07.000 And I understand some people disagree with that decision, but I didn't feel comfortable going there unless I really 100% was certain.
00:14:15.000 So the FBI snatches your phone out of your hand.
00:14:18.000 What happens after that?
00:14:18.000 Yeah.
00:14:19.000 They take the phone.
00:14:20.000 Finally, they say, are you going to behave yourself, et cetera?
00:14:22.000 I'm paraphrasing these agents.
00:14:24.000 There were about 10 or 12 of them.
00:14:25.000 All wearing masks.
00:14:26.000 Westchester County.
00:14:27.000 They had vests on that said FBI, jackets, FBI.
00:14:31.000 Kind of looks like one of those people.
00:14:33.000 30s and 40s mostly.
00:14:34.000 And finally, they do this, search my home for two hours.
00:14:37.000 I have a two-bedroom apartment.
00:14:39.000 And they would move me into one room and search the other room so I couldn't see what they were doing.
00:14:44.000 Is that illegal?
00:14:45.000 I don't know.
00:14:46.000 Charlie, this whole thing is illegal.
00:14:49.000 The whole premise is illegal.
00:14:52.000 The Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland, put out a memo in July explicitly prohibiting these search warrants against the press.
00:15:00.000 The New York Times, Michael Schmidt, who's been writing articles about us every week, even he said this is a really aggressive move for the FBI to execute a search warrant against a media company is the most aggressive thing they could possibly do.
00:15:14.000 And there are laws against it.
00:15:15.000 And so he's not a journalist.
00:15:17.000 Well, the Privacy Protection Act doesn't make a distinction whether you're considered a journalist or not.
00:15:21.000 You can't do this.
00:15:22.000 So this happens.
00:15:23.000 And finally, I'm sitting on my bed.
00:15:26.000 They've searched the whole place for two hours, taking stuff.
00:15:29.000 And they make me sign this document.
00:15:31.000 Only my phone's left, my iPad and my laptop.
00:15:33.000 Very unusual.
00:15:34.000 And finally, the lead agent, this shorter guy with a scruffy beard, I think his name is Tony.
00:15:40.000 He looks at me and he says, Mr. O'Keefe, do you have any questions?
00:15:43.000 And I'm sitting there.
00:15:45.000 I guess I'm in a state of what might be considered shock.
00:15:50.000 Not yet fully in shock, just like this is like a dream sequence.
00:15:53.000 I'm still dreaming.
00:15:54.000 I'm still asleep in my bed at this.
00:15:56.000 I cannot believe that I'm going through this.
00:16:00.000 And there's like a couple agents hovering over me the whole time.
00:16:04.000 And this lead agent, Tony, says, You have any questions?
00:16:06.000 And I almost said this, Charlie.
00:16:08.000 I did not say this because experience has taught me don't speak to federal agents without an attorney present.
00:16:13.000 What I almost looked right into his eyes, I looked right into this guy's eyes.
00:16:17.000 I guess he could hear me say it even though I didn't mouth the words.
00:16:20.000 And I said, You ever raid a reporter's home before, Tony?
00:16:24.000 But I did not say those words.
00:16:27.000 And I actually believe that half the people in my apartment, these FBI agents, maybe half of them were actually fans of Project Veritas.
00:16:36.000 And maybe they're being told what to do.
00:16:38.000 Maybe even they go, What are we doing?
00:16:41.000 What is this country coming to?
00:16:43.000 You got 120,000 people working for the Department of Justice.
00:16:46.000 And is there one person with the stones to speak up?
00:16:50.000 One?
00:16:51.000 Give me one.
00:16:52.000 I can name tens of thousands of soldiers go overseas and die for their country.
00:16:55.000 They know they'll get attacked if they do, which they should speak up.
00:17:00.000 So then they leave.
00:17:00.000 So let me ask you.
00:17:02.000 Do you have any fear that they might raid your apartment after they raid the other one on Thursday evening?
00:17:07.000 Thursday, whatever?
00:17:08.000 I didn't really think.
00:17:11.000 I did issue a statement.
00:17:13.000 We issued a statement on that Friday around 1 o'clock, but the signature of the magistrate judge was 11:18 a.m.
00:17:19.000 So my statement had nothing to do with them getting the permission to execute the search warrant.
00:17:24.000 They had gone to Spencer Mead's home and Eric Cochran's home, took their stuff, didn't find anything because there's nothing incriminating.
00:17:31.000 We've broken no laws, obviously.
00:17:33.000 And then they got the permission to go after me, the CEO of the company.
00:17:38.000 But we know what this is really about.
00:17:40.000 They want to try to disrupt the choke point of the most effective exposure project against the vaccine industry, the open borders, voter fraud.
00:17:52.000 Like it kind of all, there's only one organization exposing this stuff, right?
00:17:56.000 Yeah, and that's the whole point.
00:17:58.000 But of course it is.
00:18:00.000 James, like, let's stop with the one-liners.
00:18:02.000 We don't live in that country anymore.
00:18:03.000 You know that.
00:18:05.000 If we don't get back to that country, this country's headed towards civil war.
00:18:10.000 Well, I mean, look, but James, they've already raided your home.
00:18:12.000 They have your phone.
00:18:13.000 I mean, magistrate, judge, or not, babysitting your phone, they already have the contents of the phone.
00:18:17.000 You know that. 1.00
00:18:18.000 They're not going to listen to some stupid magistrate judge. 1.00
00:18:20.000 They have all your contents. 1.00
00:18:21.000 Well, I'm a little bit more hopeful than I'm cynical, as you could believe.
00:18:26.000 I understand, but I do believe that moment, Charlie, where the ACLU and these groups were defending us, I view that as a very hopeful moment because I think in the Venn diagram of left and right, there still is this sliver where we all agree.
00:18:39.000 There still is a very thin line that I'm trying to expand because I think what unites us can be very powerful.
00:18:47.000 Did you ever game out that the federal government might come for your phone one day?
00:18:52.000 You know, there was always this, we talk about manifesting fear.
00:18:56.000 I did go on Tim Poole's show and said almost directly to Christopher Ray, I was like, you know, the FBI is listening right now.
00:19:04.000 But we don't break the law.
00:19:05.000 And I think I don't know.
00:19:06.000 That doesn't matter, though, to the FBI.
00:19:08.000 Well, you know that.
00:19:09.000 It matters to me.
00:19:10.000 I don't break the law.
00:19:12.000 I think that country's dead.
00:19:15.000 This is an area where you and I could talk much longer than the time we have about political philosophy.
00:19:20.000 But I believe that this is America and it was or it is. 0.88
00:19:25.000 But we are Americans and therefore perhaps it could be different than in any other part of history.
00:19:30.000 No, I'm saying it was because you don't raid the home of a political dissident.
00:19:36.000 Let's forget journalists.
00:19:37.000 You are a journalist.
00:19:38.000 What you really are, though, is a threat.
00:19:40.000 It's that simple.
00:19:42.000 They want to take the king off the chessboard.
00:19:45.000 There's no one else doing investigative work.
00:19:47.000 Right.
00:19:48.000 But they do this at every single corner.
00:19:48.000 Right.
00:19:50.000 This is precisely.
00:19:52.000 And the New York Times.
00:19:53.000 Oh, let me add another thing which you may know.
00:19:54.000 The New York Times reporter, Michael Schmidt, within minutes of me taking out of handcuffs, guess what he knew?
00:20:01.000 He knew the subject of the search warrant.
00:20:03.000 Yeah, of course he did.
00:20:04.000 Now, maybe his neighbors could have tipped off the New York Times, but how would he know the subjects of a grand jury subpoena?
00:20:10.000 So then the other part of the thing I want to talk to you about, which might be the most grotesque thing, you know this, is another violation of constitutional rights.
00:20:10.000 But then it gets worse.
00:20:19.000 How did the New York Times know the contents of your privileged memos?
00:20:22.000 It's a great question.
00:20:22.000 We don't know.
00:20:24.000 While this all happened at the same time.
00:20:25.000 So talk about that whole thing.
00:20:26.000 Well, the New York Times got lawyer memos.
00:20:30.000 Some of these lawyer memos pertain as to the very litigation that we're involved in against the New York Times.
00:20:35.000 In other words, you're suing the New York Times.
00:20:36.000 I sue the New York Times for defamation.
00:20:38.000 In March of this year, we win a historic victory in that case.
00:20:43.000 We win past what's called motion to dismiss in a defamation lawsuit, which is really hard to do.
00:20:48.000 You have to prove what's called actual malice.
00:20:51.000 I have to prove the New York Times lied about me.
00:20:53.000 And you and I have talked about this before.
00:20:55.000 This video we did about Minnesota.
00:20:57.000 And the New York Times called it deceptive and disinformation and misinformation.
00:21:01.000 And a judge in New York ruled that there was enough evidence for the lawsuit to proceed to discovery, which means I get to depose the New York Times under oath.
00:21:11.000 I have nothing to hide in a deposition.
00:21:13.000 Please do depose me.
00:21:14.000 You'll find that I'm a pretty ethical guy who's trying to do the right thing.
00:21:18.000 They have everything to hide.
00:21:20.000 They do not want to be deposed.
00:21:22.000 So the judge rules this.
00:21:24.000 It was a big deal.
00:21:25.000 And then after the FBI raid, the New York Times becomes obsessed.
00:21:29.000 I mean, obsessed.
00:21:30.000 It's almost like they have a James O'Keefe voodoo doll.
00:21:33.000 They stick pins in.
00:21:34.000 Dean Backhay up there sticking his pins in the James O'Keefe doll.
00:21:38.000 Every other day, there's another big, long, you know, front page thing.
00:21:42.000 And the New York Times gets access to many of our attorney-client privileged payments.
00:21:47.000 Did they get them through the lawsuit or through the raid?
00:21:49.000 They didn't get them through the lawsuit.
00:21:51.000 Well, then it had to be the raid, right?
00:21:52.000 They haven't entered discovery just quite yet.
00:21:54.000 It has to be the raid.
00:21:56.000 Charlie, I don't want to say how they got them.
00:22:00.000 Because it was right after the raid.
00:22:01.000 It was right after the raid.
00:22:02.000 They published them right after the raid.
00:22:03.000 And what's even more extraordinary, this is like something out of science fiction movie, whatever.
00:22:09.000 That same judge, which granted the permission to...
00:22:12.000 The magistrate?
00:22:13.000 No, no.
00:22:13.000 A different judge involved in the New York Times defamation lawsuit, a New York Supreme Court state judge, then orders the New York Times to stop publishing these attorney-client privilege memos, which is the first time the New York Times has been stopped from doing something in like 50 years.
00:22:30.000 So this is happening, and this is all happening.
00:22:33.000 Can you sue them for the memo thing?
00:22:35.000 Well, we are suing them.
00:22:37.000 And I went to a hearing.
00:22:38.000 But you're suing them for the defamation.
00:22:40.000 So, yes, we go back into court, which is we're in the middle of the litigation.
00:22:44.000 So the judge orders us to appear.
00:22:47.000 This is a couple weeks ago, the day before Thanksgiving or something like that.
00:22:50.000 And the judge looks at the New York Times lawyer, and I'm in a courtroom.
00:22:54.000 You have to understand how surreal the circumstances are.
00:22:56.000 There's the New York Times lawyers and me, and I'm suing them, and we're all like physically together.
00:23:01.000 I'm in a courtroom in New York State of all places.
00:23:04.000 In Manhattan?
00:23:05.000 In Westchester County, White Plains, New York, the Supreme Court of the state of New York, and the judge is up there looking at the New York Times lawyer.
00:23:12.000 And the judge says, you're both media companies.
00:23:15.000 Project Veritas is to me.
00:23:17.000 He's calling us a media company.
00:23:19.000 That's a good fact pattern.
00:23:20.000 And the New York Times lawyer starts talking, and the judge goes, that'd be the first time you quoted me accurately, counselor.
00:23:25.000 So the judge was pissed that the New York Times was mischaracterizing his order as against the First Amendment.
00:23:33.000 Okay, Charlie, this is what we do at Project Veritas.
00:23:36.000 We fight them everywhere.
00:23:37.000 We fight them everywhere.
00:23:39.000 And this is why we can't lose.
00:23:40.000 It's a paradox for Project Veritas to lose on any of these issues because if I lose, Charlie, listen, if I lose on the issue of whether I'm a journalist in federal court, then it'll go to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.
00:23:55.000 And the issue before Your Honor is whether I'm a journalist.
00:23:57.000 And if I lose that, it'll go to the United States Supreme Court.
00:24:00.000 And if I lose on the issue of whether I'm a journalist, game over.
00:24:06.000 But so you don't know how they got the memos.
00:24:08.000 You just have suspicion.
00:24:10.000 Well, I know for certain, I know for certain that there's only one way that Mike Schmidt of the New York Times could know the subject of a secret grand jury subpoena while I'm still in handcuffs.
00:24:23.000 Minutes, minutes.
00:24:23.000 Yes, no, I get that one.
00:24:25.000 The memos were.
00:24:26.000 People familiar with the matter.
00:24:28.000 People in the Department of Justice, the FBI, the Department of Justice, the New York Times are working with them.
00:24:28.000 Yes.
00:24:34.000 They're aligned with them.
00:24:37.000 They're supposed to be journalists.
00:24:39.000 They're proxies.
00:24:40.000 They're proxies.
00:24:40.000 We know that.
00:24:42.000 They're proxies of the security.
00:24:43.000 And it's not right.
00:24:44.000 It's not right.
00:24:45.000 No, it's not right, but it's not going to change anytime soon.
00:24:48.000 You're helping change it, I should say.
00:24:50.000 But the memo thing is a whole different level because unless computers were hacked and then, wait, that would be illegal, wouldn't it, BJ?
00:24:57.000 There's no way.
00:24:57.000 Yes.
00:24:58.000 This is the point.
00:24:59.000 Is the New York Times publishing memos is illegal?
00:25:02.000 And can I add one thing?
00:25:03.000 Is that correct?
00:25:04.000 It would be unlikely.
00:25:06.000 The First Amendment has its absolutes.
00:25:07.000 You can't publish attorney client privilege.
00:25:10.000 I wouldn't do that.
00:25:11.000 Memos from my story.
00:25:11.000 Period.
00:25:13.000 You can't do that.
00:25:14.000 There are certain limits of the First Amendment.
00:25:16.000 It is not absolute.
00:25:17.000 And this is common sense journalism school 101.
00:25:20.000 But, Charlie, and then this week, they do another front-page hit piece.
00:25:23.000 They're upset. 0.99
00:25:24.000 If it gives you any comfort, no one reads this crap. 0.99
00:25:25.000 James doesn't even know they're doing it. 0.99
00:25:26.000 James O'Keefe voodoo doll.
00:25:29.000 They do another piece, and then they say, because we reached out for comment to Joe Biden about the diary, before we made the decision not to publish it, we wanted to do our due diligence and everything in our power to try to do the right thing.
00:25:42.000 And then they try to interpret this as, quote, leverage.
00:25:46.000 So Mike Schmidt says, in an attempt to leverage.
00:25:48.000 But Mike Schmidt of the New York Times edited out the other part of the email.
00:25:53.000 We're doing a story in good faith.
00:25:53.000 We'd like your comment.
00:25:56.000 And then Rachel Maddow this week said that we extorted President Biden by asking for comment.
00:26:03.000 Extortion.
00:26:04.000 You're going to sue her?
00:26:06.000 Well, someone already did, and someone already did, and the judge said, well, she's just an opinion person, so it doesn't matter.
00:26:11.000 They defend it in court as opinion.
00:26:13.000 That's always their defense.
00:26:14.000 It's just an opinion, Your Honor.
00:26:16.000 But that's not how they present it.
00:26:18.000 And one more thing, and then I'll stop.
00:26:20.000 The New York Times does another hit piece, and they say, documents show how far Project Veritas' deceptive reporting tactics can go before running afoul of the federal law.
00:26:32.000 What a way to word that.
00:26:33.000 Documents show how far they could go before running afoul.
00:26:36.000 Do you know another way to say that?
00:26:37.000 We check with lawyers to make sure everything we did was legal.
00:26:41.000 But do you see how they worded it?
00:26:42.000 Yeah, of course.
00:26:43.000 I know.
00:26:43.000 I read the same article.
00:26:44.000 They use language in a manipulative, they use innuendo and supposition to make some, it's almost like you have to twist it.
00:26:54.000 You have to put it through a filter to understand what they're actually reporting.
00:27:00.000 Do you regret not moving Veritas out of New York?
00:27:02.000 Listen, this is an issue that divides a lot of people that work for me.
00:27:07.000 And I am very conflicted about it, Charlie, because I'm from the Hudson Valley.
00:27:12.000 I'm from the I was from Chicago.
00:27:15.000 I got out for this exact reason.
00:27:16.000 I know.
00:27:18.000 And there's something to be said for getting out.
00:27:20.000 But I just want to give you both sides.
00:27:22.000 I'm not a person who runs away from the fight.
00:27:26.000 I'm not a person who backs down, cows down, runs away, because maybe I reject the premise that this country is headed to a place where that's what we must do.
00:27:36.000 And maybe I'm a person who'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
00:27:39.000 And maybe I'm a person who I'm fighting these battles with the New York State Supreme Court, special masters in the Southern District.
00:27:45.000 I'm fighting in places where I'm fighting for principles in those places, and I think it's my imperative to do so.
00:27:53.000 So I'm conflicted.
00:27:54.000 And by the way, home is where the heart is.
00:27:57.000 I grew up in Bergen County, New Jersey, Rockland County, New York.
00:28:00.000 So that's where I'm from.
00:28:02.000 I hear you.
00:28:03.000 It's just it puts you in a different, whole different legal world.
00:28:08.000 You know that.
00:28:08.000 I understand.
00:28:09.000 NRA, NRA went through the exact same thing.
00:28:11.000 Right.
00:28:11.000 And I get it, but I actually do think that Viritas is so clean and so ethical that if they want to put me in jail for doing my job, I say let them.
00:28:23.000 Okay.
00:28:25.000 How are you holding up with all this?
00:28:28.000 I'm doing great.
00:28:28.000 I have a great team, many of whom are here.
00:28:31.000 I know you like to call them the entourage.
00:28:33.000 They are James Kleinbook.
00:28:34.000 It's a football spot.
00:28:35.000 Last time he gave me a hard time, you know?
00:28:36.000 I did give you a hard time.
00:28:37.000 You like to give me a hard time sometimes.
00:28:39.000 Someone has to.
00:28:39.000 I've known you for a long time.
00:28:40.000 By the way, I'm going to trial against your neighborhood buddy Bob Kramer in March.
00:28:46.000 I know proximity.
00:28:47.000 I'm getting aside.
00:28:48.000 I've always publicized your stuff.
00:28:49.000 No, no, I'm not trying to do it.
00:28:51.000 Thank you.
00:28:51.000 And thank you for doing that.
00:28:52.000 Of course, I'm just going to go.
00:28:52.000 No, Bob Kramer's a bad dude.
00:28:54.000 We're going to trial.
00:28:55.000 What's going on with him?
00:28:55.000 That's Jan Schakowski's husband, right?
00:28:58.000 Going to federal jury trial March 9th in D.C.
00:29:00.000 He sued me for, get this.
00:29:02.000 Breach of fiduciary duty for reporting on him.
00:29:07.000 The issue before the court is whether I breached a fiduciary duty.
00:29:10.000 It's so absurd.
00:29:11.000 To who, your donors or to your?
00:29:12.000 To him.
00:29:13.000 What do you owe to him?
00:29:15.000 These questions are rhetorical in nature and there's no answer to them.
00:29:18.000 And we will win.
00:29:19.000 And if we don't win, you're starting to sense a pattern.
00:29:21.000 But wait, he's suing you for what?
00:29:22.000 Breach of fiduciary duty.
00:29:23.000 He's a donor to yours or something?
00:29:24.000 No, He thinks that because our undercover people were recording him in his office and exposing what was going on four years ago, that we have a fiduciary duty to him.
00:29:36.000 So he's suing me somehow, which reasons we don't know.
00:29:40.000 This got past summary judgment.
00:29:42.000 Maybe the judge didn't like me or something.
00:29:44.000 And now we're going to trial.
00:29:45.000 But I don't settle.
00:29:47.000 And we're going to win.
00:29:48.000 So that's in March.
00:29:50.000 Everyone listening, if journalists can get 6 a.m. raids.
00:29:53.000 And I'm going to go through some of the facts.
00:29:55.000 We actually didn't talk about the facts of it, right?
00:29:57.000 So we got about 10 minutes left.
00:29:59.000 So Joe Biden's daughter goes to some sort of drug clinic, right?
00:30:04.000 Allegedly has a diary, and then it somehow falls into your lap.
00:30:07.000 That's basic, just so everyone knows the story.
00:30:09.000 Is that right?
00:30:10.000 A source came to us.
00:30:11.000 Tipsters tipped us off to this and showed us this diary.
00:30:15.000 You don't publish it.
00:30:16.000 We made the decision not to publish it.
00:30:17.000 Yeah.
00:30:18.000 And so I suppose the most obvious question is they published, ProPublica published illegally leaked tax returns of the wealthiest people on the planet.
00:30:27.000 As long as they had nothing, as long as ProPublica had nothing to do with the obtaining of the tax returns, it's their First Amendment right to publish that material.
00:30:36.000 As unconscionable as it might be to you and I, they have a right to do that.
00:30:40.000 No, I mean, I'm not fighting that, but the same, is there not an equal protection?
00:30:45.000 That is precisely the issue at hand, is equal protection under the law.
00:30:50.000 Whether there's equality before the law.
00:30:52.000 And of course, this whole thing is falling apart.
00:30:55.000 The issue before the court, and there's a subpoena here that the FBI has issued, you know, subpoena for documents and whatnot.
00:31:04.000 To you?
00:31:05.000 They had issued such a subpoena.
00:31:07.000 Before this warrant.
00:31:08.000 Well, I think it's concurrent to it.
00:31:11.000 And I'm not the lawyer, so I don't want to speak out of turn because I don't know the technical issues, but subpoena concurrent to the warrant.
00:31:18.000 And we gave them...
00:31:19.000 In case they didn't find what they wanted.
00:31:21.000 Right.
00:31:21.000 And we gave them a list of the things that they had asked for, but also we did not send the materials because we intend to fight that subpoena as journalists, as any journalist would.
00:31:34.000 And the issue before the court is going to be, of course, do we have the same protections as the New York Times, Charlie, and NBC News and ProPublica.
00:31:42.000 And of course, to your point, those organizations are doing the bidding of big pharma.
00:31:47.000 Do you know the CEO of Pfizer said days before the raid that he's working with the FBI on misinformation?
00:31:54.000 That's what he said.
00:31:54.000 And you did a story against Pfizer, didn't you?
00:31:56.000 I did a huge story on Pfizer.
00:31:58.000 A story where the vice president of Pfizer was saying we're lying to the people about the vaccine development.
00:32:05.000 About the vaccine developed fetus.
00:32:06.000 Aborted fetuses.
00:32:07.000 And she said, don't tell the American people that we're using aborted fetal cells in the development of the vaccine.
00:32:12.000 So I quote her.
00:32:13.000 I quoted the woman.
00:32:15.000 I didn't opine on it.
00:32:17.000 It wasn't my opinion.
00:32:18.000 It wasn't a Q conspiracy theory.
00:32:20.000 It was her words.
00:32:22.000 And then the CEO of Pfizer says, we were working with, and he's a European guy.
00:32:25.000 We are working with the FBI on misinformation.
00:32:29.000 We have FBI misinformation, dark groups.
00:32:32.000 Obviously, he's referring to Project Veritas.
00:32:35.000 What other group is exposing Pfizer in this way?
00:32:38.000 Do you think he ordered a hit on you, Vietnam?
00:32:40.000 I'm not going to speculate.
00:32:42.000 I'm going to give you facts.
00:32:43.000 And the facts are that the CEO of Pfizer Pharmaceutical and the journalism establishment and the Department of Justice are all working together.
00:32:53.000 And the only institution, I guess, that is fighting back in this particular way via hidden cameras and exposés is Veritas and you guys.
00:33:04.000 And that's why I believe that we cannot lose, both literally and figuratively.
00:33:10.000 It is a paradox for us to lose because if we lose, then everyone will see it for what it is.
00:33:16.000 Just like James Risen.
00:33:17.000 Do you know that James Risen went all the way to the United States Supreme Court?
00:33:21.000 They had a subpoena against, he's a journalist.
00:33:23.000 And he said, and they said, we're going to put you in jail.
00:33:25.000 He said, put me in jail.
00:33:26.000 I'm ready to go to jail.
00:33:27.000 He took it to the Court of Appeals, to the United States, and right at the last minute, Risen says, okay, put me in handcuffs.
00:33:34.000 Where's the handcuffs?
00:33:35.000 They withdrew the subpoena.
00:33:37.000 It was a game of chicken.
00:33:40.000 It's a game of the will.
00:33:42.000 What are you willing to endure for your principles?
00:33:45.000 What are you willing to endure?
00:33:48.000 And I say, I'm going to die on this hill because this is a right so fundamental.
00:33:54.000 It goes back to Cicero.
00:33:55.000 The right to repeat something someone tells you, and you're going to take that right away from me.
00:33:59.000 Well, you know what?
00:34:01.000 I've done nothing illegal.
00:34:02.000 I've done everything ethical.
00:34:03.000 Put me in handcuffs.
00:34:04.000 That's my position.
00:34:06.000 They might.
00:34:07.000 They have multiple times.
00:34:09.000 First in New Orleans, and we know how that ended.
00:34:12.000 You won the lawsuit.
00:34:15.000 Those U.S. attorneys were disbarred.
00:34:18.000 They lost their law licenses.
00:34:19.000 They were anonymously blogging about me online while they were prosecuting me in 2010.
00:34:24.000 Names were Jim Letton and Sal Perricone.
00:34:26.000 And they eventually lost their law licenses.
00:34:28.000 They were federal U.S. attorneys?
00:34:30.000 He was the lead U.S. attorney in the southern district of Louisiana, Eastern District of Louisiana.
00:34:35.000 And he got disbarred after they came after me.
00:34:38.000 So the truth always wins.
00:34:41.000 It may take a while, but I believe the truth always comes out in the end.
00:34:46.000 I really believe that.
00:34:48.000 Veritas doing well.
00:34:49.000 You guys have a lot of support after all this?
00:34:51.000 We have a lot of support.
00:34:53.000 And by the way, I have to thank you because I'm banned on Twitter because I quoted CNN and they didn't like that with that.
00:35:00.000 Why do they always ban me for quoting the other guy?
00:35:03.000 Why aren't they banning the other guy for saying the deed?
00:35:05.000 In any event, you and Benny and Jack Rasibak and Candace Owens, but particularly you, you guys have been embedding our videos on Twitter.
00:35:15.000 And thank you.
00:35:16.000 I mean that.
00:35:17.000 Distribution by proxy.
00:35:18.000 You taught me that.
00:35:20.000 Everyone's talking distribution by proxy.
00:35:22.000 You were the source of that.
00:35:23.000 Like years ago, you said, James, distribution by proxy.
00:35:27.000 And then suddenly Alex Jones.
00:35:28.000 Distribution by proxy.
00:35:31.000 So you came.
00:35:32.000 I just want the world on the record for the record.
00:35:34.000 Charlie Kirk taught me distribution by proxy.
00:35:36.000 That's when Twitter was fun, man.
00:35:38.000 It was like for two years, it was a great place.
00:35:41.000 Yeah.
00:35:42.000 And now it's not.
00:35:43.000 Project Veritas.com, if they want to support you, you're a 501c3, is that right?
00:35:46.000 We're a tax-deductible charity.
00:35:49.000 And, you know, we have all these supporters that give $5,000, like 80,000 people now, I think, support us.
00:35:56.000 And we appreciate that.
00:35:58.000 And appreciate you having us here at this event to really put on quite a show.
00:36:03.000 Yeah, you put on a great show.
00:36:05.000 People want to see the O'Keefe show, talk about that briefly.
00:36:10.000 That was something.
00:36:11.000 Thank you.
00:36:11.000 That was like cats.
00:36:12.000 It was like cats.
00:36:14.000 It was like cats meets Dangerous Minds, meets Hamilton, meets Charlie Kirk, meets Rob.
00:36:22.000 Lately, Ms. Rob.
00:36:23.000 It was a wild fans of the opera.
00:36:24.000 It was a lot of genres.
00:36:26.000 Chandelier comes through.
00:36:27.000 And this is, you know, as I said to you last time we sat down, I think I'm more of an artist than a political person.
00:36:35.000 I'm more motivated by the artistic aspects of what I do.
00:36:39.000 And, you know, justice is very much like art, and journalism is art.
00:36:43.000 So we're putting on this show, we're calling it the Project Veritas Experience.
00:36:48.000 Where is it going to be held?
00:36:49.000 Miami, Florida, Fountain Blue, January 29th.
00:36:53.000 And it's the first time we've ever done our own event.
00:36:56.000 It coincides with the launch of my next book, American Muckraker.
00:37:00.000 So the website is project VeritasExperience.com.
00:37:04.000 Project VeritasExperience.com.
00:37:06.000 If you make a donation on that website, you'll get a ticket to go to the show.
00:37:10.000 Of any size.
00:37:11.000 I think it's like $250, something like that.
00:37:14.000 We're trying to price it fair enough, but so we can break even on the cost.
00:37:18.000 The production will be extraordinary.
00:37:19.000 It'll be, it'll, you saw three acts or four acts.
00:37:22.000 There's going to be like 12 to 15 acts.
00:37:24.000 Wow.
00:37:24.000 So the acts are awesome.
00:37:26.000 It'll be like Hamilton.
00:37:27.000 It'll be like artistic.
00:37:29.000 You came in all sorts of different things.
00:37:31.000 You came in like a jumpsuit.
00:37:32.000 I don't know if you wore the jumpsuit or not.
00:37:33.000 I did.
00:37:34.000 Yeah, you came in like a priest thing.
00:37:36.000 Do you know why we chose the song OPP?
00:37:38.000 I'm not going to say aloud what that abbreviation means from Naughty by Nature.
00:37:43.000 Because when I was in jail in New Orleans, people don't know this.
00:37:46.000 I think you do, but your audience is so young.
00:37:48.000 This was 11 years ago.
00:37:49.000 They put me in jail.
00:37:51.000 Another thing that was falsely accused that I was exonerated for.
00:37:54.000 And while I was in the New Orleans Parish Prison, all the jumpsuits said like OPP because it was New Orleans Parish Prison.
00:38:02.000 I couldn't get that song out of my head when I was in jail.
00:38:05.000 So that's why we decided that Naughty by Nature to be the soundtrack for that scene.
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00:38:15.000 Very good.
00:38:15.000 James, God bless you, man.
00:38:16.000 Thanks for coming on.
00:38:17.000 God bless.
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