The Charlie Kirk Show - The Conversation That Saved 100 Souls

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Sunday.

00:00:01.000 My conversation with Miles Rutherford.

00:00:03.000 After this conversation, over 100 people gave their life to the Lord.

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00:01:28.000 Thank you, everybody.

00:01:29.000 Please take a seat.

00:01:30.000 It's been a while since we've seen each other.

00:01:30.000 Thank you.

00:01:33.000 It's been too long.

00:01:34.000 And who is that America Fest?

00:01:37.000 That wasn't that a great event.

00:01:40.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:01:42.000 We are in the year, everybody.

00:01:44.000 It is 2024.

00:01:46.000 And it is time to put our working shoes on and to focus on what really matters.

00:01:50.000 We have an amazing guest tonight.

00:01:52.000 I want to dive right in.

00:01:53.000 He is preaching the word in the great state of Georgia.

00:01:57.000 And he is one of the most important and viral pastors out there.

00:02:01.000 And, you know, before I introduce our guest, I just want to encourage all of you and to make sure you're ready for the spiritual warfare ahead of you in this critical year.

00:02:11.000 And you are in a state that is going to determine the future of the entire civilization.

00:02:17.000 And this event, we are now going to be doing it every single month leading into the fall and leading into the end of the year, is going to just keep on growing and keep on scaling.

00:02:28.000 And we have some amazing surprises in store for you.

00:02:30.000 So let's dive right into it.

00:02:32.000 Join me in welcoming our guest tonight, Miles Rutherford.

00:02:45.000 So Miles, I have to start.

00:02:47.000 You have a shirt that says preacher.

00:02:50.000 Yes, sir.

00:02:51.000 What does that mean?

00:02:53.000 Well, how y'all doing, everybody?

00:02:56.000 I'm from Atlanta, so if my accent's a little thick, that's why.

00:03:00.000 Preacher, the Bible says that we're supposed to go into all the world and preach the gospel.

00:03:07.000 Preaching doesn't follow ordination.

00:03:09.000 A lot of people think that you have to be ordained to be a preacher.

00:03:12.000 While I do agree, you need Bible college and you need all the education you can get.

00:03:17.000 Preaching follows salvation.

00:03:19.000 So when you look at the word preach in the Bible, it comes from two words.

00:03:23.000 Number one, you angalidzo, and the second one is caruso.

00:03:27.000 And I think many people think that preaching is just simply spreading the good news.

00:03:31.000 But if you take a deeper dive into the word preaching, Charlie, it's the word caruso.

00:03:37.000 Caruso means to cry out as an eternal reward as a town crier.

00:03:45.000 In other words, somebody speaks from eternally being concerned about their life instead of temporary.

00:03:53.000 And I think where we have missed things in America for much of the gospel for the last 20 years is we've stopped preaching convictional repentance preaching.

00:04:07.000 And it has caused a secret sensitive mentality in our church where we have adapted to a consumer mentality.

00:04:13.000 And people now come thinking church is about them rather than Jesus.

00:04:18.000 I love that.

00:04:18.000 So tell us about what does that look like?

00:04:21.000 How does that manifest as you run your church?

00:04:24.000 And how do you talk about what you mean by secret-sensitive and how you run your church?

00:04:30.000 Well, we're called to lift up the name of Jesus.

00:04:33.000 That's the first and foremost.

00:04:34.000 We cannot cater to sin.

00:04:37.000 The moment you cater to anybody of any appetite of sin, you give them a, you tolerate it.

00:04:44.000 I think what we do in our church is we choose to preach a word that is very eternally centered.

00:04:53.000 In other words, I'm thinking of their eternity.

00:04:55.000 More so, I'm thinking of not just their eternity.

00:04:58.000 I'm thinking of their children's eternity.

00:05:00.000 So like when my wife and I preach the gospel, we're not even looking at the people on the stage from the stage.

00:05:08.000 We're looking at their children's children because we are one generation away from a godless society.

00:05:13.000 That's what this book is about.

00:05:15.000 So when you think of it that way and you've only got so many years left, you know, you watch these boxers.

00:05:20.000 I don't know if you watch boxers, but I grew up, I watched Mike Tyson.

00:05:24.000 I watched Evander Holyfield.

00:05:26.000 I was on the plane here and I was watching George Foreman.

00:05:28.000 That was an amazing movie about how he turned his life to Christ.

00:05:31.000 But when fighters fight, they fight different in the last round.

00:05:37.000 When they know they've got to put it all on the canvas, and I think that's where we are right now as preachers of the gospel, we can't come out here and just appease a crowd.

00:05:44.000 The Lord spoke to me a long time ago and he said, start preaching like it's the last time they'll hear because eventually it's going to be.

00:05:53.000 And so the convictional style preaching has to come with an anointing because gifts don't break yokes.

00:05:58.000 Anointing breaks yokes.

00:06:00.000 So we need anointing, an anointed preacher.

00:06:03.000 So you say that we're one generation away from a godless society.

00:06:08.000 Build that out.

00:06:10.000 When I wrote this book, they came to me and asked me to write a book.

00:06:13.000 They said, which I think was an amazing amen.

00:06:16.000 Yeah, get a picture of that, please.

00:06:18.000 I need everybody to see that online.

00:06:21.000 Charlie Kirk called my book.

00:06:22.000 Amen.

00:06:26.000 They said, we are done with Christian inspirational books.

00:06:31.000 We need voices, not echo, not just feel-good messages, but strong word.

00:06:39.000 And I said, well, the Lord's been dealing, put a burden in my heart.

00:06:42.000 And maybe we can talk about this in a minute about the LGBTQ and a closet. 0.91

00:06:48.000 But when I was hearing from the Lord about this book, when I was preaching, there's a couple of things I want to kind of make sure I can tie all this in.

00:06:59.000 1948, let me just lay the back drought.

00:07:01.000 1948, 76% of America went to church.

00:07:07.000 In 2021, as I was preaching on the West Coast, I was in San Diego, Los Angeles.

00:07:13.000 We came home.

00:07:14.000 The Lord kept telling me, when you see the number 76%, I'm going to do something on the earth.

00:07:20.000 And I said, God, I don't want to, 75% sounds better because, you know, the seed, there's 25% this, and it sounds more preachy.

00:07:27.000 He said, no, 76%.

00:07:29.000 And I said, okay, 76%.

00:07:31.000 1948, 76% of people went to church.

00:07:36.000 2021, when I got done preaching that prophetic word, I come back home, something came out on San Diego, USA News saying 76%.

00:07:47.000 When I seen that number, my eyes lit up because it said 76% of religious affiliations agree with LGBTQ equality.

00:07:56.000 I said, Lord, is this what I am supposed to see?

00:07:59.000 And he said, Yes.

00:08:00.000 He said, America has embraced something they should have never embraced in the church.

00:08:05.000 And we didn't even have to say anything about it.

00:08:07.000 Some of us, we don't even say anything about it from our pulpits.

00:08:10.000 And because we don't say anything about it, it doesn't mean that we are saying we disagree with it.

00:08:13.000 We actually are condoning it because we're tolerating it, tolerating it.

00:08:17.000 And so the toleration of this has created what Revelation talks about in Thyatira: you've allowed that woman, Jezebel. 0.99

00:08:26.000 And that word allow means you didn't say nothing to it, but you didn't say nothing about it.

00:08:31.000 And the Lord said, This is what I'm doing.

00:08:34.000 I said, What does this mean?

00:08:36.000 He said, Look what I did in Acts 2.

00:08:40.000 And you look in Acts 2, 120 people were in the upper room.

00:08:45.000 In 2 Corinthians, it says 500, around 500.

00:08:48.000 He said, Do the math on that.

00:08:50.000 Went from 500 that seen me to 120 is exactly 76%.

00:08:54.000 The Lord said, I'm cleaning house.

00:08:56.000 And I said, What do you mean?

00:08:58.000 He said, and this was during the COVID times.

00:09:00.000 He said, I'm cleaning house because COVID was more than just a plague.

00:09:03.000 It was a purge of the church.

00:09:05.000 He said, I'm cleaning house.

00:09:06.000 I'm getting rid of people that are not there for the right reason.

00:09:10.000 And just like the Bible says, I'm sending a shaken so that it will show who remain. 0.95

00:09:16.000 Most people are looking at who left.

00:09:18.000 You need to be looking at who's remaining because there's a strong plumb line that God has been dropping that is separating wheat from chaff.

00:09:28.000 And if you look at the last days in the Bible, it speaks of this.

00:09:32.000 It speaks of five wise and five foolish virgins.

00:09:35.000 Now, a lot of people think different things about that, but if they're all virgins and they're all waiting for the bridegroom, that means the church. 0.88

00:09:41.000 That means there's going to be some that look like they are, but they're not.

00:09:45.000 And so God really spoke to me and He said, I am thinning out the church.

00:09:48.000 And He said, I'm cleaning house.

00:09:50.000 I'm cleaning house.

00:09:51.000 I said, Well, what do you mean?

00:09:52.000 He says, What do you, why do you clean house?

00:09:55.000 And I said, Well, because the company's coming.

00:10:01.000 And he said, That's exactly what I did in Acts 2.

00:10:04.000 He said, I thinned it out until when the Holy Spirit came, everybody that seen me couldn't handle it.

00:10:10.000 It was 120 in an upper room that waited, prayed, fasted, and believed God.

00:10:15.000 And the church wasn't marked with a dove.

00:10:17.000 We were marked with fire, wind, and spirit.

00:10:19.000 And that's what we should be bringing.

00:10:21.000 We should be bringing that.

00:10:24.000 So, so talk more about in your book.

00:10:25.000 You said the LGBTQ.

00:10:27.000 How should the church handle these issues?

00:10:28.000 Because we even see churches with pride flags outside of their churches now.

00:10:34.000 Well, I've got a video.

00:10:36.000 I'd love to show it, but what we did is I'll tell you the propheticness of this season we're in.

00:10:45.000 Ahab as a king was indifferent.

00:10:50.000 Elijah shows up 60 plus years after Solomon split the kingdom.

00:10:55.000 He's sitting there with Jezebel and he calls for the rain to stop.

00:10:59.000 But in, I believe it was 2 Kings 18 or 1 Kings 18, God tells Elijah, Go present yourself.

00:11:09.000 What I feel is very prophetic for the church today is to not hide from this, but to present yourself.

00:11:18.000 The Lord began to speak to me and said, Tell the remnant to present themselves.

00:11:22.000 In other words, you're going to have to go show yourself to Ahab.

00:11:26.000 You're going to have to speak out loud.

00:11:28.000 You're going to have to.

00:11:29.000 And the thing about Elijah is Ahab wanted to kill Elijah.

00:11:35.000 So you're going to have to face the persecution.

00:11:37.000 You cannot hide from it.

00:11:39.000 You can't shrink back from it.

00:11:40.000 You got to prepare people and you got to present yourself.

00:11:44.000 So, the two things I really believe that needs to happen is we need to prepare the church for the influx of people that are going to be delivered from LGBTQ because I truly believe that's going to happen. 0.99

00:11:55.000 But at the same time, fight the agenda that is causing our society to succumb to that.

00:12:03.000 And so, one, you've got to, and I don't want to, hopefully, we won't disagree on this because that's one thing I said.

00:12:10.000 I don't want to disagree with Charlie Kirk on a microphone.

00:12:14.000 But it's not anti-them we have to be anti-sin.

00:12:22.000 I wrote a post on this.

00:12:25.000 We're trying as a church to hide when they need truth.

00:12:30.000 Now, we're in a demoralization in society, and some people think it's irreversible.

00:12:35.000 I choose to believe not.

00:12:37.000 I choose to believe that even though they've been inundated with subjective truth, that we can turn the hearts of people.

00:12:44.000 And even if we don't, we still have to be like Noah and we still have to preach it anyways.

00:12:51.000 And so, don't be afraid to preach it.

00:12:53.000 And when I say preach, I'm not talking from a stage only.

00:12:55.000 Because if you need a microphone to be a preacher, you're a performer, not a preacher.

00:13:00.000 You need to preach it in every part of your society.

00:13:03.000 And you cannot just preach truth.

00:13:06.000 You have to preach love with it.

00:13:08.000 This is the one thing I learned back about three, four years ago.

00:13:10.000 I was preaching so hard, but I wasn't coming with love.

00:13:14.000 We have had so many people get delivered from homosexuality in our church. 0.98

00:13:19.000 My wife, Delana, and I pastor a wonderful church in Atlanta, Georgia, 17 years, and I love her.

00:13:25.000 She wanted to be here tonight, but she couldn't.

00:13:28.000 But we, for the last two, three years, have seen such an uptick of people getting delivered from homosexuality because we learned it's not about getting them from homosexuality to heterosexuality, it's about getting them from homosexuality to fall in love with Jesus Christ. 0.53

00:13:44.000 And they automatically begin to disciple themselves with others to fall in line with heterosexuality.

00:13:51.000 So we did something last year in June because we felt like it was a fitting month.

00:13:58.000 And we put out seven billboards in Atlanta, which is extremely LGBTQ agenda.

00:14:07.000 It was just very strong.

00:14:09.000 And we put out seven billboards.

00:14:11.000 Within a couple of days, we started receiving backlash from the Gay and Lesbian Association against defamation.

00:14:18.000 They threatened us.

00:14:19.000 They put ABC, CBS, Fox, all of the news outlets were outside, national, local, and began to do a smear campaign on us because we did it.

00:14:31.000 Can I just show the video?

00:14:32.000 Because I think that will help people.

00:14:34.000 Do we have the video here?

00:14:35.000 Or I'm not sure.

00:14:37.000 We do?

00:14:38.000 Great.

00:14:38.000 Roll the video.

00:14:38.000 Okay.

00:14:40.000 Put up a sign that appears to show support for the LGBTQ community, but they're now under fire for what some are calling a vapor switch.

00:14:55.000 You're struggling with your dead.

00:14:57.000 Just give it to God.

00:14:58.000 Just give it to God.

00:15:00.000 So often we get caught up in what other creatures are telling us that we are instead of getting to know what the Creator made us to be.

00:15:08.000 I'm proud to be delivered.

00:15:10.000 I am proud to be delivered.

00:15:12.000 I'm proud to be delivered.

00:15:13.000 I'm proud to be delivered.

00:15:15.000 And I'm proud to be delivered.

00:15:32.000 So we put out seven billboards with a seven-color rainbow backdrop, not six-color, the Roy GBiv.

00:15:43.000 And we got ridiculed for baiting and switching.

00:15:46.000 And we put the word proud to be delivered.

00:15:48.000 This is just something we did, and we felt it was extremely successful.

00:15:52.000 And we did it out of the will of the Lord.

00:15:54.000 People began to just mock us, begin to persecute us, talk about us, and everything that they would do.

00:16:01.000 The Spirit of the Lord was in our church.

00:16:03.000 We would have prayer meetings, as we always do on Saturday nights, and we'd pray for these people.

00:16:07.000 And we've seen so many people get delivered from homosexuality over the last two to three years in our church, especially during this time.

00:16:17.000 I remember one gentleman who came into our church and he was full makeup, hands on the chair in front of him, just white-knuckled, and his boyfriend had a purse on and everything.

00:16:28.000 And he was seven years today, six years, I'm sorry, this month.

00:16:33.000 He came and God completely turned his life around.

00:16:36.000 He got in the car with his boyfriend, who was an atheist, didn't know anything about God, and he was crying.

00:16:42.000 And he said, what was that in there?

00:16:44.000 He said, that's the presence of the Lord.

00:16:49.000 I think churches right now have got to prepare for an influx of LGBTQ coming to your church.

00:17:00.000 It doesn't mean you have to pamper the room, but there's not much time left.

00:17:08.000 And they're a soul just as much as somebody who has sinned.

00:17:11.000 I mean, Paul said it in Corinthians.

00:17:13.000 He said, as such were some of you, but you were washed and you were sanctified.

00:17:21.000 I didn't really preach on this stuff a whole lot until about 2018.

00:17:25.000 And I was in my closet of all places.

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:32.000 And I began to weep.

00:17:36.000 Begin to cry.

00:17:37.000 My wife came in and said, What is wrong?

00:17:38.000 And she felt the presence of the Lord too.

00:17:41.000 And I said these words.

00:17:42.000 I said, God is in this closet with me.

00:17:44.000 And he's asking me to do something.

00:17:46.000 And I know that if I don't do it, he will never ask me again.

00:17:53.000 I've never struggled with homosexuality.

00:17:56.000 A lot of people, because I focus on it, a lot of people think that.

00:18:00.000 But Jesus didn't struggle with anything and yet he focused on everything.

00:18:05.000 There is a revival coming and God's going to help it.

00:18:09.000 And if you know people, how many know people that are dealing with homosexuality?

00:18:17.000 Get them ready.

00:18:20.000 Start bringing them to church.

00:18:23.000 Talk to them about the gospel.

00:18:25.000 And preaching is not just telling good news.

00:18:30.000 Preaching is telling an eternal view.

00:18:34.000 We have forgotten to preach hell, second death, repentance, conviction, because we were trying our best to keep butts in the seats as pastors.

00:18:46.000 And God really convicted me and said, Did I call you to put butts in the seats or did I call you to disciple people?

00:18:52.000 Noah was one of the most successful preachers in the Bible.

00:18:57.000 2 Peter and 2 says, and God called Noah a preacher of righteousness.

00:19:03.000 It's one thing when people call you a preacher, but when God calls you a preacher and puts it in the text, he must be doing something right.

00:19:09.000 And if you look at Noah's track record, he preached for 120 plus years and he didn't have all the campuses, which is great to have campuses.

00:19:18.000 I'm not saying against that.

00:19:19.000 But he only had seven people get in the boat and God called him a success.

00:19:25.000 So preaching, and he was a preacher of righteousness.

00:19:28.000 In other words, you're not responsible how they hear it.

00:19:32.000 You're responsible that they hear it.

00:19:35.000 That means we have to present ourselves because the only way to change the nation is to be the emergent divergent, which they did.

00:19:43.000 Three and a half to five percent got in come out of a closet.

00:19:46.000 I believe the church needs to get back in the closet, and I believe the prayer meeting needs to be bigger than the Sunday morning service.

00:19:52.000 And we need to have intercession and prayer, and we need to get back to the basics of the primitive gospel and believe this word can transform lives, even people that we think are totally gone.

00:20:02.000 I think we should give them another opportunity at the gospel.

00:20:05.000 So, Miles, I want to give you an opportunity before we do questions to present the gospel for people that haven't heard it.

00:20:12.000 But I want to just address one part: some people believe that LGBT is their identity, not a behavior.

00:20:19.000 How do you deal with that as someone who runs a church and a deliverance ministry?

00:20:24.000 Well, LGBTQ, a lot of people think that that is a blood, that's how they were born.

00:20:30.000 There's nothing, nothing at all statistically, or not, no science or anything that proves that.

00:20:37.000 Identity, you just tell the truth.

00:20:43.000 What are you born with?

00:20:45.000 That's what you are.

00:20:47.000 And the love between male and female is what God created it to be.

00:20:53.000 Identity, and I want to say this: we think most of the time that identity is what the enemy's after.

00:21:04.000 It's not identity.

00:21:06.000 Identity is the means to take away the authority.

00:21:10.000 Many of those who have those identity issues have trauma that has happened in their life.

00:21:17.000 Now, that's not the source either.

00:21:19.000 If you look at Romans 1, this is what I preach in Romans 1: when godly men who knew better suppressed truth.

00:21:28.000 I don't believe that LGBTQ is a source. 1.00

00:21:32.000 I believe it's a symptom.

00:21:34.000 I believe the source is when godly men, according to this Bible, Romans 1, suppress truth, and God gave them up.

00:21:42.000 God gave them over, God gave them over.

00:21:44.000 And so, when I'm dealing with somebody who thinks their identity, we just had one person, and not everybody makes it, but I'm not responsible for that.

00:21:51.000 I'm not responsible.

00:21:53.000 My responsibility is to share the gospel with them, tell them what's right, tell them that there's a hole that's 100 foot deep right outside those doors.

00:22:02.000 And if I tell you that you shouldn't walk out of there, you shouldn't walk out of it.

00:22:06.000 Because many people just don't even warn.

00:22:08.000 I don't know that we're in a place right now where we can just have a conversation.

00:22:13.000 I think we have to be in a place.

00:22:15.000 I'm not talking about conversations in college campuses.

00:22:18.000 I think that's a wonderful thing.

00:22:20.000 Grateful that you do.

00:22:21.000 Thank you.

00:22:25.000 But I think we're trying to discuss something that needs deliverance.

00:22:33.000 And when I say deliverance, not everybody has to puke in a bucket.

00:22:37.000 And I mean that.

00:22:40.000 Jesus cast devils out.

00:22:43.000 That was part of the ministry that he gave to us.

00:22:46.000 I believe there's a demon demonic manifestation.

00:22:49.000 I believe it comes from a demoralization that happened 40, 50, 60 years ago when we took out truth from the schools and we took out commandments from the schools and we took out prayer from the schools.

00:22:59.000 We suppressed truth.

00:23:00.000 And anytime you have one generation suppressing it, the next one will deconstruct it.

00:23:05.000 The next one will question it.

00:23:06.000 The next one will redefine it.

00:23:08.000 And that's where we are right now.

00:23:10.000 And so bringing them truth to meet their subjective truth, which what they think they are, their authentic self, to help them understand that's not their authentic self.

00:23:21.000 That this is the authority that God has.

00:23:23.000 I think it's amazing, and I'll finish with this: that when Jesus was tempted three times at the beginning, the first one he said, if you are the Son of God.

00:23:33.000 Most people focus on the bread and casting down, but he asked him twice, if you are the son of God.

00:23:40.000 He questions identity.

00:23:42.000 And the next one, if you are the son of God.

00:23:44.000 He questions his identity.

00:23:45.000 He responds with scripture, right?

00:23:50.000 The third one, he doesn't question his identity.

00:23:53.000 He says, bow.

00:23:56.000 And Jesus, he cops an attitude.

00:24:00.000 He says, away with you.

00:24:02.000 I think that's where we are right now.

00:24:05.000 We have to get volatile and have righteous indignation and stand up for what we believe in to help those who are encapsulated with their mind.

00:24:16.000 Satan is after the authority of this next generation.

00:24:19.000 And Gen Z and millennials, both of those generations are a reflection of what we did in our generation.

00:24:25.000 So I can't put all the blame on them.

00:24:27.000 We need to look at our generation and say, well, what do we miss around?

00:24:30.000 So Miles, in closing, share the gospel.

00:24:33.000 We have a lot of visitors and people that come here and, you know, they might not yet know the Lord.

00:24:38.000 Share the gospel.

00:24:40.000 Well, the gospel is Jesus Christ come in flesh.

00:24:46.000 And the Bible says in John 1, 14, we beheld his glory.

00:24:51.000 That glory transforms lives.

00:24:55.000 It's transformed mine.

00:24:57.000 I've been in church all my life, but you know when you have an encounter with God, how many can testify that you've had an encounter with the Lord?

00:25:05.000 It's one thing to go to church.

00:25:06.000 It's another thing to feel the presence of God.

00:25:11.000 If you need, if you're in a place where you're struggling and you're like, God, I don't know if you're real or not.

00:25:18.000 I don't know.

00:25:19.000 Listen, ask Jesus to make himself known to you.

00:25:26.000 So many people think church is about lectures and preaching, which I believe in all of that.

00:25:34.000 But without the presence of God, even Moses said we're nothing.

00:25:39.000 We've got to get the presence back.

00:25:42.000 And so when you find a place where the presence of God is, it will transform your life.

00:25:48.000 It will change you.

00:25:49.000 The gospel is Jesus in the flesh, crucified, buried on the third day, rose again.

00:25:55.000 And when he got up, we got up with him.

00:25:58.000 And you know, the Bible says confess with your mouth and believe in your heart.

00:26:02.000 It can't just be something that you just say out of your mouth.

00:26:04.000 You've got to believe in your heart.

00:26:05.000 And then God says he will put the laws of God inscribed in our hearts.

00:26:10.000 The Holy Spirit will come inside of us and help us and give us the power to live right.

00:26:15.000 You cannot do it without the Holy Ghost.

00:26:18.000 And I believe I'm in an assembly church.

00:26:21.000 Amen.

00:26:22.000 I believe this is a spirit-filled type of church.

00:26:25.000 So after the Holy Spirit comes that baptism of the Holy Spirit.

00:26:29.000 Obviously, the infilling of the Holy Spirit upon salvation, but the baptism to help you have that fire.

00:26:35.000 And that is not a fireplace fire.

00:26:37.000 That's not to keep you warm.

00:26:38.000 That's to burn stuff out of you to help you live pure and holy and godly, which is our end result, is to be holy like God.

00:26:47.000 And it's fun to be holy.

00:26:49.000 It's not boring.

00:26:50.000 You don't have to give up a bunch of stuff.

00:26:52.000 You have to give up all the bad stuff.

00:26:54.000 But it's fun living for God.

00:26:56.000 It's adventurous to live for God.

00:26:57.000 And I think people think, oh, if I give up this and if I go after God, no, it's actually more of excitement to live for God than it is to live for the devil.

00:27:07.000 So I hope you accept Jesus Christ tonight if you don't know him.

00:27:10.000 I love that.

00:27:12.000 Let's do some questions, guys.

00:27:13.000 Let's start lining up.

00:27:14.000 Miles, let's make sure you have an opportunity to plug your book.

00:27:17.000 I think we have some of them out in the lobby, too.

00:27:20.000 So please.

00:27:21.000 I've got a shirt.

00:27:22.000 We've got shirts out there.

00:27:23.000 And in this book, I think I brought like 60 or 70 of them.

00:27:26.000 It's an urgent call to speak out to a collapsing culture.

00:27:29.000 I do believe we're 26 years away.

00:27:32.000 If you do that sliding scale from 1948 all the way down to where we are now, you got 26 years left, which actually brings us to 2050.

00:27:40.000 If we're here, amen.

00:27:43.000 At 2050, and that's exactly where you see the Muslims actually being equal to Christianity in America, if a remnant doesn't stand. 1.00

00:27:54.000 This book is not negative.

00:27:57.000 This book is written for the remnant.

00:27:59.000 It's not written for the church.

00:28:01.000 The remnant is inside the church.

00:28:02.000 We're not better than, just bolder than.

00:28:05.000 It doesn't make us any better.

00:28:07.000 Jesus and God mentioned in the Bible 540 times of a remnant.

00:28:11.000 And Isaiah 1:9 says, unless the Lord of hosts had left a very small remnant, we would have been turned into Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:28:19.000 So it's not the size of the remnant that God's after.

00:28:23.000 It's the heart of the remnant.

00:28:25.000 So you don't have, you can be significant and small, which I think if you want to change the nation, you have to have three and a half to five percent of any part of that nation in order to change that nation.

00:28:35.000 And I think it's happening this year.

00:28:37.000 I love that.

00:28:38.000 All right, let's get to our first question on this side here.

00:28:41.000 Is that okay?

00:28:42.000 Who's up?

00:28:43.000 Yes, sir.

00:28:44.000 I think that we're at war between Satan's puppets and people who believe in God, God's warriors, those who have chosen to be one of God's warriors.

00:28:56.000 Do you see it that way, or am I out of line?

00:28:59.000 Well, we are the army of the Lord, and we know the outcome of it.

00:29:04.000 I do believe we're in spiritual warfare more now so than ever.

00:29:09.000 And I think people need to understand the art of spiritual warfare because we think spiritual warfare is camo and rah-rah-rah.

00:29:17.000 But spiritual warfare happens with the most subtle things that turn the hearts of people.

00:29:22.000 And so I think this gift, the spirit of discernment, needs to be upon the church right now to understand and be sober and to be guarded and to be vigilant because our adversary is as a lion.

00:29:34.000 We have the lion of the tribe of Judah.

00:29:34.000 He's not.

00:29:40.000 So I'm going to be vulnerable.

00:29:42.000 I don't claim myself as LGBTQ, whatever it is.

00:29:45.000 I'm just me, and ever since I can remember, I've been more attracted to females than men. 0.80

00:29:51.000 So I just want more advice because I'm new into Christianity and I've been more confused than I ever have, you know, because my mom and dad, they've always loved me.

00:30:00.000 So I can only imagine how much more God loves me.

00:30:02.000 So at the end of the day, is that between me and God?

00:30:04.000 Because I don't know what to do because I go to the altar and I, you know, at the beginning, I would cry and everything.

00:30:11.000 And I just kind of, you know, like, is he just going to do it in his own time?

00:30:14.000 Like, like, what?

00:30:14.000 Like, what?

00:30:16.000 How long have you been in Christianity?

00:30:18.000 Just almost a year.

00:30:20.000 One year?

00:30:21.000 Yeah.

00:30:22.000 One year?

00:30:22.000 How long did you deal or dabble in that other life, the other lifestyle?

00:30:27.000 I've only had like one girlfriend.

00:30:29.000 Like, I'm pretty prudish, but like, I'm attracted to girls, you know, like I, like, I have those feelings for girls, but I know that's flesh.

00:30:36.000 But like, I'm working on denying, you know, dying to myself and, you know, living for him, but it's hard.

00:30:44.000 I think what you have to be cautious about is singling out when, because you have that same sex attraction still, you think that people that are opposite sex attracted, such as heterosexual, don't have to be renewed as well.

00:31:04.000 Regardless if you have that desire or this desire, our ultimate desire, even if it means abstinence, sexual purity, is to be pure before the Lord.

00:31:16.000 So, you know, one year in, if you're still dealing with that, first of all, there's deliverance available to you, just like any of us, hetero or homosexual.

00:31:26.000 You're not a demon.

00:31:28.000 I don't say that you have a demon in you, but I do say you're going to have to guard your eyes, your ears, and you're going to have to go after God with all of your heart because this demonic deception, I think is a Jezebel spirit, is so strong.

00:31:44.000 But the one, the group of people that cast Jezebel out the window was not Jehu. 0.92

00:31:51.000 It was the eunuchs that had been so severely dealt with with Jezebel. 0.96

00:31:55.000 They got sick of her. 1.00

00:31:57.000 And so while you're striving to live holy for the Lord, just be abstaining from anything around you that would trigger that.

00:32:08.000 Come to the altar.

00:32:09.000 Yes, continue to do that.

00:32:11.000 I mean, I went to the altar 55 times when I had stuff going on in my life.

00:32:16.000 So don't think that's not something you have to do as well.

00:32:19.000 We all work out our salvation, but most people forget the next line in fear and trembling.

00:32:25.000 And so we're all doing that, heterosexual, homosexual. 0.88

00:32:29.000 But just know that you got to get around the right people.

00:32:32.000 You got to get around a church that loves you, loves you out of that mess and understands where you are.

00:32:41.000 The worst thing you can do is go find somebody else and keep your attractions there.

00:32:45.000 You have to change your appetite.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, and I'll just say, first of all, God bless you for your courage to come forward.

00:32:51.000 Luli.

00:32:55.000 And this is a church that loves you, and everyone deals with something.

00:33:00.000 There's someone in this audience that has, you know, a sin of alcoholism or a sin of gambling or gossip.

00:33:08.000 And so don't walk around with some sort of, you know, oh my goodness, I feel this, you know, ever-present.

00:33:14.000 This is my identity.

00:33:15.000 We all deal with sins.

00:33:17.000 And Jesus Christ sets you free of all those sins.

00:33:22.000 And you're in the right place.

00:33:24.000 And you're going to start to develop better practices and better understanding if you keep the faith.

00:33:32.000 And it takes time to deny your flesh.

00:33:36.000 And everyone that has gone through that will tell you, but things will get easier and they will get better.

00:33:36.000 It takes time.

00:33:41.000 Not every day will be easy.

00:33:43.000 Not every day will be amazing, but that journey and God will be there with you all alongside.

00:33:48.000 And you're in the right place.

00:33:49.000 God bless you.

00:33:49.000 Thank you so much.

00:33:55.000 Good evening.

00:33:57.000 Welcome.

00:33:58.000 I'm from the Dream Center and I'm like super amazed that you're here because I asked the Lord that we would be able to see you and here you are.

00:34:06.000 So praise the Lord.

00:34:10.000 My question is about legalism or legalistic.

00:34:16.000 I hear that often and people like myself that do speak the word, that do share the truth, that are not afraid are constantly called legalistic or whatever that is.

00:34:28.000 So what is legalism or legalistic?

00:34:32.000 The way I understand it is don't speak about God.

00:34:36.000 Show people who God is, which is good.

00:34:39.000 But what do you the truth?

00:34:43.000 Enlighten me with the truth.

00:34:46.000 Most people that hear the truth and call it legalism are lukewarm.

00:34:52.000 They're lukewarm in their belief.

00:34:55.000 I'm never offended by truth.

00:34:58.000 I need truth.

00:35:00.000 But truth seems to be offensive to a lot of people right now because they have their version of truth.

00:35:06.000 Most people in church that call you legalistic.

00:35:10.000 What is the definition of legalism?

00:35:12.000 To me, it's man-made doctrine.

00:35:14.000 I can't say how many people have told me because I have long hair, I shouldn't be on this stage.

00:35:20.000 And I have a beard.

00:35:21.000 Well, Jesus had a beard because they plucked it.

00:35:26.000 But people have their things you have to do to religiously make your steps towards Jesus.

00:35:33.000 Jesus already did everything.

00:35:35.000 We sanctify afterwards, which is important.

00:35:38.000 But a lot of people are not preaching godliness, holiness, and they're not preaching separation.

00:35:43.000 And if you look up the word ekolasia, which is the church, it means to be separated and called out of.

00:35:47.000 So we should sound different.

00:35:48.000 And if you're again, Peter preached the message, 3,000 people got saved.

00:35:54.000 Stephen preached the same message and got killed.

00:35:57.000 And the ones that killed him were the religious folk, not the ones out in the street that Peter preached to. 0.52

00:36:02.000 Same message.

00:36:03.000 But they both, one was cut to the heart and repented.

00:36:05.000 The other was cut to the heart and stoned him.

00:36:07.000 So just keep preaching the gospel.

00:36:10.000 We're not going to get away from persecution in this season.

00:36:14.000 It's two of the nine Beatitudes are wrapped around persecution.

00:36:18.000 It says you're blessed and a reward in heaven.

00:36:20.000 So go after the rewards.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, and if I were to just, a top-line definition of what legalism is in the negative sense is that they would say that the law redeems.

00:36:32.000 We don't believe that.

00:36:32.000 We believe the law will point you to Christ, as it says in Galatians 3.

00:36:37.000 And the only criticism that I would accept about quote-unquote legalism is more about how people deliver it, which is with no love and only truth.

00:36:46.000 And we have to try to have both.

00:36:47.000 I'm guilty of too much truth and not enough love, I'll be very honest with you.

00:36:51.000 And I know some of you guys enjoy that.

00:36:54.000 We all have a gifting, right?

00:36:57.000 But it's also about our disposition.

00:37:00.000 It's about trying to connect with people on a human level.

00:37:03.000 And it's hard to define what a legalist is.

00:37:06.000 They use it as a pejorative and as a slur.

00:37:09.000 I have found very few pastors that I think would actually fall into a category.

00:37:14.000 But the closest thing of what a legalist would be would probably fit into what we would call the Pharisees in Matthew, Mark, or Luke, or John, where they're overly policing for the sake of the law, and they think that the law will redeem them.

00:37:26.000 Now, we don't want to forsake the law.

00:37:28.000 The law points you to Christ because God is a God of order and God is a God of symmetry and harmony and all things must have laws and rules for life.

00:37:37.000 But that ultimately does not give you eternal life.

00:37:39.000 Jesus Christ gives you eternal life.

00:37:41.000 Thank you.

00:37:41.000 I hope that makes sense.

00:37:48.000 So I have some confusion about the tolerance piece in the church.

00:37:54.000 And if we use the word salad version of this gender confusion thing, is that not just aligning your words with the agenda from Satan, which this word salad thing is?

00:38:10.000 Could we just start calling it what it is?

00:38:12.000 And it's gender confusion.

00:38:16.000 You're saying, just call it what it is, gender confusion.

00:38:21.000 Is that what you mean?

00:38:22.000 The word tolerance.

00:38:23.000 Instead of this sentence of letters, because it keeps growing, by the way.

00:38:28.000 It's LGBTQIA2 plus.

00:38:30.000 And plus, cats, dogs, whatever.

00:38:32.000 But I believe that that sentence to describe people's confusion is part of the agenda that takes the focus away from being able to make the change that if we call it what it is, then we're being that, but we're being honest.

00:38:50.000 Absolutely.

00:38:51.000 And the other thing is promoting and agreeing with Satan's agenda.

00:38:59.000 And it's an agenda to confirm.

00:39:01.000 Absolutely.

00:39:03.000 They're not gay.

00:39:04.000 They're not queer.

00:39:05.000 They are confused sexually and with their gender.

00:39:10.000 Yeah, can I take it?

00:39:11.000 So the better term is SSA, same-sex attraction.

00:39:14.000 That's a better term.

00:39:15.000 And what I was getting at earlier is that we should resist when people say this is who I am.

00:39:21.000 It's more accurate to say this is what you're doing.

00:39:24.000 And that's two totally different things.

00:39:27.000 And it's a very provocative thing to say, but it's a behavior, not an identity.

00:39:33.000 There's only two identities.

00:39:34.000 You're either captive of the enemy or you're born again by Christ.

00:39:39.000 There's only two identities.

00:39:40.000 Pick one.

00:39:40.000 That's it.

00:39:41.000 All the other identities don't mean anything.

00:39:43.000 Now you can have a lot of behaviors within those identities.

00:39:47.000 You could be saved. at Jesus Christ and still struggle and act on same-sex attraction.

00:39:53.000 What is the issue with the entire month becoming Pride Month is that people insist this is integral to my fiber of who I am.

00:40:02.000 And I think some of you in the audience probably years ago were probably indifferent because people might say privately, they would say, hey, you know, I'm attracted to men.

00:40:12.000 And you'd say, okay, not a big deal.

00:40:14.000 It's no longer that way.

00:40:16.000 Now it has to be this month-long, in-your-face, teach your children.

00:40:21.000 Because in the 1970s, 80s, and 90s, when a lot of attitudes, quite honestly, were, hey, not my business, not my, you know, not your life, not my business, is that it used to be framed as this is an independent lifestyle choice, but now it's different.

00:40:38.000 Now it's that my entire, the best way I could summarize it is that when you start to see LGBT or whatever gay flags in people's Instagram bios, it's like you're a much more interesting person than just your attraction.

00:40:54.000 But they lead with that because it becomes almost inseparable with who they view themselves as.

00:41:00.000 You're not wrong.

00:41:01.000 I think we have to emphasize if you emphasize that it's a behavior, then behaviors can stop.

00:41:07.000 If you emphasize it as an identity, you've already lost the discussion.

00:41:11.000 Do you have a follow-up on that really quick?

00:41:13.000 Well, I was just wondering what words you could use from the pulpit to not call out the word salad, the alphabet salad, instead of agreeing.

00:41:28.000 It's like using your voice to agree with their agenda is still my question.

00:41:34.000 Can we start calling it something different?

00:41:37.000 Maybe same sex attraction.

00:41:37.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 And I mean, that also deals with the trans thing is a completely, in some ways, a completely different.

00:41:44.000 So the reason why you get trans out of lesbian, gay, bisexual, because some of you might say these are two totally different things, right?

00:41:52.000 How many of you have thought that?

00:41:53.000 Like, one of these is an attraction, and the other one is that someone who thinks they're something that they're not.

00:41:58.000 They're actually the same because they're all framed as an identity that is unchanging.

00:42:03.000 Does that make sense?

00:42:04.000 So they frame it all together.

00:42:06.000 So one is identity confusion.

00:42:09.000 The other one is behavioral.

00:42:11.000 Thank you.

00:42:11.000 Appreciate it.

00:42:15.000 So my question is, I'm Eli, I'm from Chandler.

00:42:18.000 But when it comes to the whole letter salad thing and all that, how has that affected my ability as someone who's a part of Gen Z to do what it says in Proverbs 31 verse 10, a wife with noble character who can find?

00:42:35.000 How has that affected my ability to do that?

00:42:37.000 To find a good wife, basically? 1.00

00:42:39.000 Yeah, severely.

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:42.000 Yeah, significant.

00:42:44.000 Are you having trouble finding a wife?

00:42:45.000 Yeah, I mean, I've never been on any dates or anything.

00:42:47.000 I don't like dating apps or anything like that.

00:42:48.000 So I'm like, I want a real interaction, and that's just kind of hard to find.

00:42:52.000 So I was wondering, you know.

00:42:53.000 You know, it's so funny.

00:42:54.000 All the young ladies say the same thing about all the young men.

00:42:57.000 So it's a real problem. 1.00

00:43:00.000 All the young ladies say the men are trash. 1.00

00:43:02.000 All the men say that the women are trash. 1.00

00:43:03.000 And that's the one thing that they can agree on. 0.99

00:43:07.000 So, yeah, I mean, how is it?

00:43:11.000 Well, so in some ways, it should make your job a little bit easier because we do have the gayest generation in American history, so you don't have as much competition. 0.83

00:43:22.000 Wow.

00:43:23.000 Well, I mean, I'm not making it up.

00:43:25.000 I mean, it's just.

00:43:32.000 You just have less competitors out there.

00:43:37.000 So, but there is something to be said, though.

00:43:40.000 Look, I put this more on men than women. 0.98

00:43:43.000 And so I will actually sympathize more with a young lady that complains about men. 1.00

00:43:48.000 And I'll cut a man off when they start complaining about women because I think men must lead, and you must be the best version of yourself, and stop whining and stop complaining and become a better version of yourself and wake up earlier, lose some weight, become more interesting, go get a nice job.

00:44:03.000 And it's honestly the men's fault. 0.90

00:44:05.000 And I get a lot of criticism when I say that, but I just don't think it's interesting when majority of young men are doing weed and drinking into the night and are not being the best possible version of themselves.

00:44:21.000 But I will say, though, that there is a growing trend that young ladies are foregoing serious relationships in marriage until their early 30s and mid-30s. 0.91

00:44:32.000 It might be the right choice for some people, but that comes with a great cost potentially.

00:44:37.000 And that cost is that we have more single, unmarried, young 30-something-something women than married 30-something women for the first time in the history of the country.

00:44:46.000 And it's just not a good result.

00:44:49.000 But my challenge is don't be so concerned about how you're underwhelmed by women.

00:44:54.000 Say, maybe I'm not as interesting or as attractive as I could be.

00:44:58.000 Am I going to the gym?

00:45:00.000 Am I reading 50 books a year?

00:45:01.000 Am I waking up early?

00:45:03.000 Am I drinking?

00:45:04.000 And if the answer is no, then stop blaming the women and become a more better interesting, more attractive man, and the women will follow.

00:45:16.000 Thanks, man.

00:45:21.000 That was all I could do.

00:45:22.000 All right.

00:45:25.000 He's going to go get a gym membership.

00:45:31.000 Okay.

00:45:33.000 So my question is, how do we meaningfully engage with the current culture without losing our own values?

00:45:40.000 Well, I mean, just don't lose your values.

00:45:46.000 I don't know how to answer that in a philosophical way.

00:45:49.000 And I'm not trying to be a smart Alec.

00:45:52.000 But if you're going to go after them, keep your truths.

00:45:57.000 Keep your truths hidden in your heart.

00:45:58.000 You know, a lot of people look at, and I'm a preacher, so I look everything through a biblical eye.

00:46:04.000 The Ark of the Covenant, it was written to, inside the Ark was the tablets.

00:46:09.000 It was the commandments of the Lord.

00:46:11.000 And he was speaking to it.

00:46:12.000 You don't have to give away your value of what you believe and your authority that God has given you because we are earthen vessels now.

00:46:20.000 We carry that.

00:46:21.000 And even in the New Testament said we have those inscribed in our heart now because of the Holy Spirit.

00:46:26.000 When you are engaging in culture, when you are talking to people, just keep your value system.

00:46:32.000 And again, truth and love.

00:46:34.000 Truth and love.

00:46:35.000 If you do truth without love, it's 50% great.

00:46:39.000 If you do love without truth, it's a 50% grade.

00:46:41.000 And you're not supposed to fail.

00:46:43.000 Do everything with truth and love.

00:46:45.000 Yeah, I would, if there was one thing that I think that I did in the recent couple months where I would look objectively and I received a lot of good feedback.

00:46:53.000 Did anyone see me on the whatever podcast?

00:46:55.000 Did anyone see that?

00:46:57.000 Please don't watch it unless you really, yeah, it's not exactly the easiest thing to watch.

00:47:02.000 But not an exaggeration.

00:47:05.000 You sit there and if you want to be like see what the world is, that is the world.

00:47:11.000 There are like award-winning pornographers there and they all just kind of discuss dating and all that.

00:47:18.000 And the response I received from the audience has been very positive.

00:47:21.000 And you have to just have truth with love.

00:47:24.000 But you always have to have your spiritual disciplines really clear and cut out.

00:47:29.000 And I mean, I go to college campuses, and yeah, it's tempting to want to pander.

00:47:34.000 You know how much easier my job would be if I went to a college campus and I just kind of hedged on core truths and I said, oh, yeah, who cares what you do?

00:47:42.000 And maybe there is no God.

00:47:43.000 Yeah, I mean, my job would be a lot easier, but you're not here to be liked by the world.

00:47:47.000 You're here to speak truth.

00:47:49.000 And nowhere does, nowhere, here's my other piece of advice.

00:47:54.000 Don't go into the world, especially super hostile places like college campuses, if you aren't really certain of what you believe and why you believe it, because you will get shattered.

00:48:07.000 And I say this as someone who's been doing this for 11 years.

00:48:10.000 I mean, it takes a fair amount of study, a fair amount of reflection, and spiritual discipline because it is an invisible spiritual war.

00:48:17.000 And you have to know what you believe and why you believe it and not succumb to the enemy.

00:48:21.000 Thank you.

00:48:22.000 Appreciate it.

00:48:25.000 Hey, Pastor Miles, this question is for you.

00:48:28.000 I was a youth pastor for a few years, and I had students deal with homosexuality, as you said, among other sins. 0.79

00:48:34.000 And I had some students basically leave the church because they wanted that lifestyle and they just hated hearing the truth.

00:48:40.000 And I had some accept the truth and get discipled.

00:48:43.000 But I'll never forget one statement that was said that I wanted to ask you what your response would be, would be that they said that basically denying or not agreeing with them being homosexual, they said that it's denying me my humanity. 0.71

00:48:58.000 And I remember just being like, what the heck are you talking about?

00:49:00.000 Denying your humanity, like you're alive, you're real. 0.99

00:49:02.000 I'm not going to kill you.

00:49:03.000 But to them, it was like everything.

00:49:05.000 And they said, you're denying my humanity.

00:49:08.000 And I obviously had an answer in the moment, but I was curious as to hear how would you respond to that question?

00:49:14.000 Well, I would say, first of all, sexual preference is a choice.

00:49:18.000 It has nothing to do with your humanity.

00:49:20.000 Nobody makes you choose to do that.

00:49:23.000 That's a choice you make on your own.

00:49:26.000 And as if I was a youth pastor, and we would tell our youth directors, and we as well, I would definitely walk with them.

00:49:33.000 I think that's where we mess up, is if we have a personal relationship and they're in our groups, we don't walk with them and we don't love them and bring them in.

00:49:42.000 The reason why a lot of people go into homosexuality, what bothers me is it used to be trauma, Charlie.

00:49:48.000 It used to be trauma brought them.

00:49:50.000 They got molested, something like that.

00:49:52.000 Now it's not trauma, it's teaching.

00:49:55.000 They're getting it from an educational perspective, from kindergarten.

00:49:59.000 That's what we're going to see in Congress if we don't change things.

00:50:02.000 And where we already do it, see it.

00:50:04.000 But after they make their identity, most of the reasons why they make their identity is they find not just preference, but they want community.

00:50:14.000 I talked to a group that had just come out of LGBTQ, and they said, keep doing what you're doing, you and Delana and this church, because we were bringing them over to our house.

00:50:26.000 We were spending time with them.

00:50:28.000 They, most of them, don't have community to look and think, and they have a jaded view of their humanity.

00:50:37.000 When they get around the like-minded-spirited people of God, they see there's something different than what they grew up in trauma or their teaching.

00:50:47.000 And so that's what I would say.

00:50:48.000 First of all, you're making choices.

00:50:50.000 This has nothing to do with humanity.

00:50:53.000 He may want to say something different.

00:50:54.000 I don't know.

00:50:55.000 No, no, I agree with that.

00:50:57.000 And I would also just, they've been taught that their sexual preference is tied to their survival. 0.97

00:51:04.000 This is where they get a lot of this language about, you know, if you deny my trans identity, then it's a genocide of my identity, which is just complete rubbish and nonsense.

00:51:16.000 And look, it's important to kind of take a step back and have them understand that it's actually not the most important part of you, and that there's a lot deeper aspects of you than just that.

00:51:28.000 And what Miles is saying is super interesting.

00:51:30.000 What we're seeing in the clinical data, especially on the trans issue, which is fascinating, there's a great book, I encourage you all to read it, by Dr. Miriam Grossman called Lost in Trans Nation.

00:51:40.000 I really want her to come for a freedom night.

00:51:41.000 She is unbelievable.

00:51:42.000 She is the leading, she's an actual psychiatrist, she's an actual pediatrician.

00:51:47.000 That she's not just some sort of abstract academic who's treating people with gender dysphoria, and she's all about it.

00:51:54.000 And on the trans issue, though, what's fascinating is she finds the vast majority of kids that are self-identifying as trans come from stable two-parent nuclear family households.

00:52:05.000 Wow.

00:52:06.000 And it's mind-blowing when you look at the clinical data because you would think that these would be kids in the foster care system or kids that were abused.

00:52:13.000 These are kids that have never had any trauma, anything wrong with them.

00:52:16.000 In fact, they've been pampered and they've gone to every possible vacation in private school.

00:52:21.000 And it goes to show that it's an ideology.

00:52:24.000 And that's what's important.

00:52:25.000 That this is not coming from something that happened to them.

00:52:28.000 It's something that's taught to them and they receive it.

00:52:30.000 And they actually, in some ways, think that they can win social credits points by identifying in that certain way.

00:52:36.000 So, God bless you, man.

00:52:38.000 Thank you.

00:52:38.000 We'll take two more.

00:52:39.000 We have time for two more.

00:52:41.000 Thank you for what you do.

00:52:43.000 My question is this.

00:52:45.000 You've been doing such a great work, and I assume that the church family out there in Atlanta has become a target.

00:52:53.000 I'm guessing that some people would come saying they are safe, but I'm not, so that they can maybe become part of your community and try to destroy it from within.

00:53:02.000 So, my question is: what's some insights, wisdom, or revelation that God has given you to protect the integrity of the church and the potency of the message?

00:53:11.000 Well, I will say this: if you're going to do this type of ministry, you're going to have to pray.

00:53:18.000 And a lot of people think you have to have a ton of these outside things.

00:53:21.000 No, God gave us intercession.

00:53:25.000 My wife is one of the greatest deliverers in the world.

00:53:30.000 I preach people, they come out of their seats when I'm preaching.

00:53:33.000 The anointing hits me.

00:53:34.000 They come up here. 0.99

00:53:34.000 She slaps the devil out of them. 0.99

00:53:37.000 You know, I mean, seriously, they flip her off. 0.99

00:53:39.000 They say F you.

00:53:41.000 They dance in the aisles.

00:53:42.000 They kiss.

00:53:43.000 One time a couple got into our church and got out and danced in the aisles, and the lights went completely off.

00:53:50.000 The Lord will work in mysterious ways.

00:53:53.000 It was the Lord.

00:53:53.000 Nobody did that.

00:53:54.000 But intercession, a church has to get back to praying.

00:53:59.000 Jesus said, My house shall be called a house of prayer.

00:54:03.000 Not preaching, not singing, not against both of those.

00:54:06.000 Need them.

00:54:08.000 But we've got to get back to the primitive parts of praying.

00:54:10.000 Praying gives you the gifts of discernment, the gift of knowledge, helps you understand what you're seeing and gives you that ability.

00:54:16.000 I think discernment is the key thing.

00:54:19.000 And that's why my wife started these prayer meetings about 12 years ago, and we don't miss them.

00:54:23.000 We fly back just to be in the Saturday nights.

00:54:25.000 We have to have prayer.

00:54:26.000 Church has to begin praying again a lot more.

00:54:29.000 Final question, and I'm going to have Miles wrap it up.

00:54:32.000 Yes, sir.

00:54:33.000 Yeah, so I have a few friends who suffer from gender dysphoria.

00:54:38.000 And I just want to make sure I'm not out of line by suggesting to them that the church will welcome you in as long as you give up the sin of the flesh.

00:54:45.000 That everybody's going to love you.

00:54:47.000 Just be who you actually are.

00:54:49.000 Be your authentic self and not try to portray something you saw on television or in the media.

00:54:57.000 Am I out of line for doing that?

00:54:59.000 Well, so if a man came in here wearing a dress, 100% I would speak for Luke.

00:55:03.000 They'd be welcome here.

00:55:04.000 What they won't receive, though, if they were asked by a pastor or somebody, I hope I'm not aligned, they would not receive affirmation for what they're doing.

00:55:11.000 They would receive love for their soul, love for being made in the image of God.

00:55:15.000 And there would be, if confronted, they'd say, This is not God's plan for your life.

00:55:19.000 And we're happy to talk to you about that.

00:55:21.000 And we're happy to, you know, sit down.

00:55:23.000 But we're glad you're here.

00:55:24.000 And we hope you show up every single Sunday at every service.

00:55:28.000 And I want to also just give advice for all of you.

00:55:30.000 And this is what the clinical data shows.

00:55:32.000 When you say gender dysphoria, just so everyone knows, that is the clinically correct term for transgenderism.

00:55:37.000 Okay.

00:55:38.000 Now, every somebody in this room, this will impact you.

00:55:41.000 I guarantee in the next 60 days.

00:55:43.000 Someone's going to come to you and they're going to say, probably a child, I'm actually a boy, I'm actually a girl.

00:55:49.000 The data shows that first conversation is the most important conversation.

00:55:53.000 Okay?

00:55:54.000 And you could freak out later if you're a parent or a grandparent.

00:55:58.000 You can scream later, but that first conversation, you have to deal with this in a certain way.

00:56:06.000 Curiosity.

00:56:07.000 Wow, tell me more.

00:56:09.000 You want that to be the longest loving conversation of your life.

00:56:12.000 Even though your flesh is telling you to be like you're out of your mind, I'm not, you know, now be clear at the end, say, like, hey, I'm not going to use the pronouns, but I'm super interested by what you just shared with me.

00:56:23.000 I'm going to go do more research and let's keep talking.

00:56:26.000 The clinical data shows that if you handle that first conversation in a long and loving way, you have a huge chance of rescuing that child from gender dysphoria in the next six months. 0.97

00:56:37.000 Now, if you handle that first conversation with, no, you're not a boy and no, you're not a girl, and I know you well, and you're crazy, and you only have your phone, the opposite effect.

00:56:46.000 You will then, that person will go find other adult-type figures, and you will have a very low chance of rescuing that individual.

00:56:55.000 So, I just hope that resonates with some of you.

00:56:57.000 That first conversation, just ask questions.

00:57:00.000 Wow, I mean, how long have you been dealing with that?

00:57:03.000 And what are the inner feelings that you have?

00:57:06.000 And it's interesting, a year ago you didn't feel that way, and not in a sarcastic way, but all of a sudden, they're going to feel as if they have a thinking partner with this stuff, right?

00:57:15.000 Now, you're not affirming them, but in some ways, you're acting in a Socratically therapeutic way where they will even be able to find some of the contradictions.

00:57:25.000 Where if you find, they'll be like, Well, I don't feel like a boy every day, I feel like a boy on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

00:57:30.000 And all of a sudden, they're like clumsily like, Okay, well, that's interesting.

00:57:35.000 And it's so hard if you're a parent and you get approached by a child, a 16-year-old, that all of a sudden says, Hey, I'm a boy and I want to go on hormones.

00:57:43.000 Everything in your fiber wants to pound the kitchen table and go find who's responsible for this, right?

00:57:49.000 But I have to insist that first conversation could literally save your child's life.

00:57:54.000 It could literally save your child's life.

00:57:55.000 To answer your question, though, I don't think I'm out of line by saying, I hope everybody who is suffering from gender dysphoria in Phoenix comes to church here.

00:58:02.000 I really do.

00:58:03.000 I hope that they'll get renewed.

00:58:05.000 I hope they'll find Jesus Christ and they'll have a better future.

00:58:08.000 They won't get affirmed, but they might get delivered.

00:58:12.000 It's a big difference.

00:58:14.000 Thank you.

00:58:15.000 Miles, you want to wrap it up?

00:58:16.000 Absolutely.

00:58:17.000 Thank you.

00:58:18.000 Every time we have service, I think the most-I'm going to stand up.

00:58:21.000 I'm a preacher.

00:58:22.000 This is very difficult for me.

00:58:28.000 Every time we have church in Atlanta, I don't care what I preach.

00:58:35.000 I don't care what I say.

00:58:38.000 If the end result isn't turning somebody's heart to God, it's completely to me a failure.

00:58:49.000 And I don't know who you are in this building or where you come from, but I do sense in my spirit that some of you are on the fringe of: should I make this commitment?

00:59:01.000 Should I go all in?

00:59:02.000 Should I live for Christ?

00:59:04.000 Let me tell you something.

00:59:05.000 It is the most important decision you will make in your life.

00:59:12.000 Eternity, this is not, eternity is not the afterlife.

00:59:19.000 This is the pre-life.

00:59:21.000 Eternity will be eternal.

00:59:23.000 And people will spend it in one to two places.

00:59:27.000 They're going to be at least either with God or away from God.

00:59:32.000 I don't know about you, but that puts a fear in me that's healthy as a believer.

00:59:37.000 Because a lot of people in church go to church, but that don't mean they're saved.

00:59:41.000 Because they don't work out their salvation in fear and trembling.

00:59:44.000 And they practice what they shouldn't be practicing.

00:59:48.000 The Bible says in the last days, it'll be like Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:59:53.000 And we're talking a whole lot about the LGBTQ agenda.

00:59:58.000 But in Noah's day, it was rainbows.

01:00:00.000 That's what marked Noah's day. 0.98

01:00:02.000 And he was a preacher.

01:00:04.000 In Sodom and Gomorrah, it was sexual immorality. 0.52

01:00:07.000 And Abraham interceded.

01:00:08.000 You have to have both.

01:00:10.000 And you have people in this, and I don't know, maybe I'm speaking to somebody here that's struggling with your same-sex attraction or your gender dysphoria, some of the things that you might be dealing with.

01:00:21.000 First of all, I want you to know God loves you.

01:00:24.000 God died for you.

01:00:26.000 All of us are sinners.

01:00:29.000 All of us need repentance, heterosexual and homosexual. 0.74

01:00:34.000 We have to come to the Lord.

01:00:35.000 We cannot continue or practice.

01:00:39.000 Do we commit?

01:00:40.000 Does something happen?

01:00:41.000 Will you fall off the boat?

01:00:42.000 Maybe.

01:00:43.000 But if you have your heart and your mind set upon Jesus Christ, I have found a lot of people that if they just dive all in and they give their heart completely to Jesus Christ and you get around a church like this that will walk with you and not judge you every day but help you, you will find such immediate joy and you will have that sustenance of joy and how many we need joy in this season right now.

01:01:08.000 This is a massive time, so I don't know if everybody could just stand to your feet.

01:01:12.000 I'm, i'm gonna.

01:01:13.000 Can I just offer the plan of salvation?

01:01:16.000 I have the privilege of offering Jesus Christ to you today.

01:01:23.000 Jude says in the book of Jude.

01:01:26.000 It says, some save with love, others snatch them out of the fire.

01:01:34.000 I think we're in a season right now where we're needing bold voices to just head on tell you there is a hell.

01:01:43.000 You have to shun and listen to me.

01:01:45.000 There is not a lot of time left.

01:01:48.000 All signs are pointing to a second coming.

01:01:52.000 But before the second coming of of Christ, there's a second coming of his church.

01:01:58.000 There's an outpouring in Joel 2, 28 that we are recipients of since the early days till now, and the persecution, the earthquakes, everything that you see, the Euphrates river drying up, everything you see is pointing that there is something coming right around the corner.

01:02:15.000 And this is not a time to play with God, ladies and gentlemen.

01:02:18.000 It's not a time to be on the fringe, because it was five wise and five foolish virgin, and when he came back the five foolish they were in church, but they didn't.

01:02:27.000 They didn't make it, they didn't have their, their wicks trimmed, they didn't have oil, and so that bothers me as a preacher sometimes when I look out in a vast audience.

01:02:36.000 There's two types of people that need to come to Christ.

01:02:38.000 There's those that have never made the commitment and those that say, I need to make a fresh commitment.

01:02:42.000 I need to grab this thing and hold on to it, and I need to go after God, not just for sanctifying of yourself, but because we are in such a generation that needs you to live for god and be on fire.

01:02:55.000 My heart is stirred tonight.

01:02:56.000 Every head bow, every eyes closed.

01:02:58.000 If you're here today And you're like, I need to make a fresh commitment.

01:03:04.000 I need to make a commitment.

01:03:06.000 I want you to know that no man's promised tomorrow, and you need to hear that.

01:03:11.000 Your own breath is on loan.

01:03:14.000 He breathed breath of life into Adam, and that's how you've been breathing.

01:03:19.000 It's on loan, it's not even yours.

01:03:21.000 God can take it.

01:03:25.000 And if you're in here today and you're like, man, I want to come to Christ.

01:03:30.000 I need a fresh start with the Lord.

01:03:32.000 I need some things to change.

01:03:34.000 I'm confused, and I need you, God, to bring some clarity to my confusion.

01:03:39.000 I will not preach something soft to you.

01:03:42.000 Living for God can be a hard thing, but it's the most rewarding thing.

01:03:47.000 And I'm for you.

01:03:49.000 Every head bow to your eyes closed.

01:03:50.000 If you're here today and you're like, man, I need to give my life to Christ.

01:03:53.000 I cannot do this anymore.

01:03:55.000 I need a touch from the Lord.

01:03:57.000 I need to feel his presence.

01:03:58.000 If you're in here, would you shoot your hand up right now on the count of three?

01:04:01.000 One, two, three.

01:04:02.000 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

01:04:04.000 There's about there's about 50 hands.

01:04:06.000 Do you have them come down?

01:04:08.000 Can we have them come down?

01:04:09.000 The Bible says, if you confess me before men, I'll confess you before the Lord.

01:04:13.000 I would love for you to come down and have an old-fashioned altar call service right now.

01:04:16.000 Would you walk if you lifted your hand?

01:04:18.000 There's about 50 of you.

01:04:20.000 Listen, this is not a walk of shame.

01:04:22.000 This is a walk of fame.

01:04:24.000 And I want you, if you're not walking, I want you clapping because there's more rejoicing in heaven in the presence of angels.

01:04:34.000 So there are people coming, and we don't stop clapping until they stop coming.

01:04:39.000 Can you make some Holy Ghost noise up in this church while people are making a decision?

01:04:45.000 Hallelujah.

01:04:47.000 Somebody shout hallelujah.

01:04:50.000 Come on.

01:04:50.000 Don't stop clapping.

01:04:51.000 Come on, church. 0.97

01:04:52.000 Don't stop clapping.

01:04:53.000 This is the best moment right here, the whole night.

01:05:00.000 Wow.

01:05:01.000 Awesome.

01:05:10.000 They're still coming.

01:05:12.000 We don't stop clapping.

01:05:13.000 Come on, everybody in the place.

01:05:16.000 Make some noise.

01:05:18.000 Do you realize how many people have prayed?

01:05:21.000 Maybe in heaven, grandmothers, mothers, fathers, for this moment for these people to stand here.

01:05:26.000 And we're seeing it right now.

01:05:31.000 Anybody else?

01:05:33.000 Here's what we do at our church.

01:05:35.000 Here's what we do at our church.

01:05:36.000 Well, we still got coming.

01:05:37.000 They're still coming.

01:05:38.000 Keep clapping your hands.

01:05:40.000 Thank you for coming.

01:05:43.000 Wow.

01:05:46.000 Amen.

01:05:48.000 Here they come.

01:05:48.000 Keep coming.

01:05:49.000 Come on.

01:05:49.000 Are you coming?

01:05:50.000 We're so excited, man.

01:05:52.000 This is what God wants right here.

01:05:54.000 Right at this altar.

01:06:04.000 Listen.

01:06:04.000 Thank you.

01:06:06.000 I want you to do one more thing.

01:06:09.000 If you're a believer, lift your hand in the room.

01:06:13.000 Put your hand down.

01:06:15.000 Look at your neighbor.

01:06:16.000 Say, neighbor.

01:06:17.000 If you're looking at me, you're not looking at your neighbor.

01:06:19.000 Look at your neighbor.

01:06:21.000 Say, neighbor.

01:06:24.000 I will go down there with you if you want.

01:06:29.000 If they say yes, I need you to.

01:06:31.000 Don't delay.

01:06:32.000 Grab them right now by the hand and pull them out and come down.

01:06:34.000 One, two, three.

01:06:35.000 Let's go.

01:06:39.000 That's called an evangelism.

01:06:42.000 You guys just were evangelists right inside your church.

01:06:46.000 Come on, y'all.

01:06:48.000 Does anybody else have chills in the Holy Ghost house?

01:06:51.000 Come on.

01:06:54.000 I need some people to shout hallelujah in this room.

01:06:58.000 Let's go!

01:07:01.000 Come on, make some room for them! 1.00

01:07:03.000 Bring them down here, ushers, if you could. 0.98

01:07:06.000 Wow.

01:07:23.000 When you come down here, I think we still have some more.

01:07:26.000 I don't know if you can get them around here, but just, I want you to try to at least get a hand or something.

01:07:30.000 This is not a stage.

01:07:31.000 It's an altar.

01:07:32.000 Don't look at it as a stage right now.

01:07:34.000 It's an altar.

01:07:34.000 It's a place that's lifted.

01:07:36.000 It's a place for an altar.

01:07:37.000 And an altar is when you give up something and you receive something.

01:07:40.000 You're going to give up something.

01:07:41.000 You're going to give your life to Christ.

01:07:43.000 That means you deny yourself and you say, God, I am not living for myself anymore.

01:07:48.000 I am purchased possession.

01:07:50.000 So I want, if you can, try to touch this stage or try to touch, get close to it.

01:07:54.000 I want you just as a visual reminder to know that that's where I laid stuff down.

01:08:00.000 This is wonderful.

01:08:02.000 Now, a confession, a prayer doesn't get you to heaven.

01:08:07.000 But when we confess what I'm about to speak, I want you to say after me, we're doing this because the Bible says certain things and we want to cover them.

01:08:14.000 So I want you to say this and listen to me.

01:08:16.000 Repentance means to turn away.

01:08:18.000 So you can't come down here and say you're sorry and put your hands in things.

01:08:21.000 You have to say, God, I am done with that lifestyle in my life.

01:08:24.000 I'm done with it.

01:08:26.000 I'm sick of it.

01:08:27.000 I move away from it.

01:08:29.000 I turn away.

01:08:30.000 I turn towards God.

01:08:32.000 But I want you to say some things.

01:08:34.000 And I grew up in a non-denominational church and then went to a Pentecostal church.

01:08:39.000 And so some people tell you to hold on.

01:08:41.000 Some people tell you to let go.

01:08:42.000 This is a whole lot of stuff.

01:08:44.000 But one thing that's true about an altar is we got to get back to this.

01:08:51.000 And we need to feel.

01:08:53.000 We need to feel.

01:08:54.000 And we need to see.

01:08:56.000 This cannot be, this cannot be an indifferent moment.

01:09:01.000 It can't be just an easy, casual moment.

01:09:04.000 I want you to close your eyes and I want you to see in your moment.

01:09:06.000 And I don't know how much time we have left.

01:09:08.000 I apologize if I'm taking too much time, but I feel very, very driven to tell you this.

01:09:12.000 I need you to see Jesus on the cross.

01:09:16.000 I need you.

01:09:16.000 If you have to shut your eyes, sometimes the best way to see is to shut your eyes.

01:09:20.000 I need you to see the blood.

01:09:23.000 I need you to see the via Dolorosa.

01:09:25.000 I need you to see the hands and his, the marks and his hands and his feet.

01:09:29.000 I need you to see it.

01:09:31.000 Because if you don't see it, you won't realize the price that was paid.

01:09:35.000 That was his altar.

01:09:38.000 And he did it for you and me while we were yet sinners.

01:09:47.000 Meaning while we were doing our junk, he still loved us enough to die for us.

01:09:51.000 He knew it before. 0.79

01:09:54.000 Make it real.

01:09:57.000 Say these words after me.

01:09:58.000 Dear Heavenly Father, I repent.

01:10:04.000 I need a Savior.

01:10:06.000 And I need a Lord.

01:10:09.000 Tonight, I walk away from fleshly appetites, things that are keeping me bound.

01:10:21.000 I turn away from the kingdom of darkness and I turn towards your kingdom of light.

01:10:32.000 You said in your word, if I confess with my mouth and believe in my heart that Jesus Christ is my Savior and Lord, that I shall be saved.

01:10:46.000 Today, I make a confession.

01:10:50.000 Jesus Christ came in the flesh as the Son of God.

01:10:57.000 He died on a cross.

01:10:59.000 He was buried in a tomb.

01:11:02.000 But three days later, I believe he resurrected.

01:11:06.000 And because he got up, I'm getting up.

01:11:11.000 I thank you, God, that you choose to remember my sin no more.

01:11:20.000 Today I have a fresh start in you.

01:11:23.000 I deny myself.

01:11:26.000 I pick up my cross and I follow you, Jesus.

01:11:31.000 You're not only my Savior, but you are my Lord.

01:11:36.000 I no longer own myself.

01:11:38.000 I'm a purchased possession.

01:11:41.000 God, take me.

01:11:42.000 Use me.

01:11:43.000 Holy Spirit, put your hand on your belly.

01:11:45.000 Holy Spirit, seal me out for the day of redemption and fill me up so that I can have empowerment to do the will of God in my life.

01:11:57.000 Today I'm saved and eternity with God is my portion.

01:12:03.000 In Jesus' mighty name, now I want you to give the biggest shout you've ever given on this island.

01:12:12.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:12:13.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

01:12:15.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

01:12:19.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 18, 2024

The Conversation That Saved 100 Souls

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