The Charlie Kirk Show - May 03, 2024


The Country Class vs. The Ruling Class


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Chris DeGaulle joins the show to talk about the recent protests on college campuses across the country and why they are so important. Join us and thousands of American patriots for the People s Convention in Detroit on June 14-16, 2024.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Andrew Colvett here filling in for Charlie.
00:00:03.000 We have Chris de Gaull from the Herzog Foundation talking about the campus protests where parents in California are suing the government for teaching fake history about Hamas and Israel, as well as some interesting policy prescriptions that our friends Senator Rick Scott and Tim Scott are proposing, as well as the tyranny of the uniparty with Josh Hammer from Newsweek.
00:00:31.000 We go into the country class versus the ruling class.
00:00:33.000 This is a dichotomy you need to know and you need to be aware of and start using in your daily vernacular and your discussions with other people.
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00:03:33.000 We have a very special guest right now, Chris de Gaulle.
00:03:35.000 He's the host of Salem 990, The Answer in Philadelphia, and he's also the VP of content for the Herzog Foundation, which has theLion.com, readlion.com, readlion.com.
00:03:50.000 We're going to go over some stories here.
00:03:51.000 These guys are at the front lines of creating content that you want your children, your grandchildren to be consuming, learning from.
00:04:00.000 So, Chris, without further ado, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:04:03.000 Glad to have you back.
00:04:05.000 Hey, good to be back, man.
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00:04:08.000 Yeah.
00:04:08.000 Well, you guys, I mean, I hate to look at it in such terms, but a lot of people, a lot of Americans across the country are having their eyes opened to the fruits of indoctrination, the infiltration of our educational systems from a very young age, by the way.
00:04:24.000 This isn't just happening at college.
00:04:26.000 You're seeing the fruits of it by the time these petulant brats at college have these ideas fully bloomed.
00:04:34.000 But you guys are hitting it from all ages.
00:04:36.000 And so it's an important time to have you on the show.
00:04:39.000 So, Chris, I want to just start.
00:04:41.000 We've got a couple of stories that we're going to get into here that you sent along, very important stuff.
00:04:46.000 But just give me your take.
00:04:48.000 You're in the belly of the beast too in Philadelphia.
00:04:50.000 I mean, what is your initial reaction to this?
00:04:52.000 What are people in Philadelphia?
00:04:53.000 How are your listeners reacting to this, this campus protest movement that sparked across the country?
00:04:59.000 Yeah, it's happening on virtually every major college campus.
00:05:02.000 As you know, Andrew, Penn certainly had its own protests, probably not as high profile as Columbia or NYU, but they had them.
00:05:11.000 Of course, Penn is also where the whole Leah Thomas Riley-Gaines transgender movement as we know it today exploded. 0.52
00:05:19.000 So Penn, no stranger to the woke agenda, for sure.
00:05:23.000 Well, that's true.
00:05:24.000 I mean, you know, but like I said, I think people are having their eyes open to this.
00:05:28.000 And, you know, what's striking to me in this current moment is that all of this started because of October 7th, really.
00:05:37.000 I mean, but it's the new thing, right?
00:05:39.000 It started with BLM and then it was Antifa and, you know, and now it's the pro-Hamas crowd.
00:05:46.000 But we're seeing these stories pop up because, you know, I think this Hamas-Israel conflict, you know, like I said, it's the newest thing, but a lot of their justification, their moral rationale for it starts from an uneducated place about what's really happening overseas.
00:06:05.000 And you have two stories here that I think are really interesting.
00:06:08.000 First one, California's school system is sued over falsified history about Israel-Hamas war.
00:06:15.000 And again, you can get these at readlion.com.
00:06:18.000 Chris, tell us about this one.
00:06:20.000 Yeah, this is a story of, it really is sort of a cousin of culturally what we see so much of schools indoctrinating, harboring transgender kids or indoctrinating kids, anti-Israel agendas and curriculum and hiding it, moreover, hiding it from parents, keeping it a secret.
00:06:41.000 And so the Deborah Project and this story that we've covered at readlion.com, they've gotten involved to sue the Berkeley Unified School District to turn over the curriculum.
00:06:52.000 And of course, now that it's been exposed, what you find is virulent anti-Semitic content.
00:06:57.000 And this starts at a very young age, Andrew.
00:06:59.000 As you said, I mean, this, in yet another story, not to jump ahead, but kind of the broader picture of all of this, of course, is the fact that starting as early as kindergarten and straight through 12th grade, these kids that we see on these college campuses today, they don't know anything except just activism.
00:07:16.000 They don't know what's behind it.
00:07:17.000 And I know Charlie had the clip this week.
00:07:19.000 I know you've heard it.
00:07:20.000 These two girls from NYU that show up on the campus of Columbia and they say, do you know why we're here?
00:07:27.000 No, I don't really know why we're here.
00:07:29.000 And literally said the words, I wish we were more educated.
00:07:32.000 That clip, that was the personification of where we are today.
00:07:37.000 Yeah, I mean, so how this story out of California where they're suing over this propaganda that's being pumped into schools, what age groups are we talking about here, Chris?
00:07:48.000 Yeah, in this particular story, you're talking about kids as early as grade school.
00:07:54.000 And that's you would think it's a high school curriculum, but no, no.
00:07:59.000 I mean, they start at grade school and there's a commitment, you know, kind of philosophically, Andrew, the problem we have now, and I ask this question a lot of public school teachers who have been doing it for a long time.
00:08:12.000 I say, what kind of people are coming out? of college to teach public school.
00:08:17.000 And nearly every one of them answers some form or fashion of the same thing, which is those on the left that have an agenda.
00:08:24.000 Maybe that was always true, but it's now just blatantly true that if you go off to school to become a public school teacher, odds are you probably have some kind of commitment to an organized agenda and civil activism, as it's known.
00:08:40.000 And it's no longer about teaching, reading, writing, arithmetic, and the basics that we all understand public education, or at least we used to understand it.
00:08:47.000 Today it's about teaching activism.
00:08:50.000 And that's why it's so critically important, Andrew.
00:08:52.000 And it's why we focus on that so hard at the Herzog Foundation.
00:08:56.000 We don't advocate for any kind of Christian education.
00:08:59.000 If you want to homeschool, we hope you do.
00:09:01.000 Micro school, fine.
00:09:03.000 Charter school, fine.
00:09:05.000 But what we all understand, what we've got to understand is our K through 12 public education, they've become left-wing indoctrination camps.
00:09:12.000 And after a couple of generations of it, it's come home to roost on our college campuses across the country this week.
00:09:18.000 Well, Chris, our cracked team of our video team here already has the clip.
00:09:22.000 155.
00:09:23.000 And this is the clip you highlighted.
00:09:26.000 And it does exactly, it proves your point perfectly.
00:09:30.000 155.
00:09:32.000 And what would you say is the main goal with tonight's protest?
00:09:35.000 I think the goal is just showing our support for Palestine and demanding that NYU stop.
00:09:40.000 I honestly don't know what NYU is doing.
00:09:43.000 Is there something that NYU is doing?
00:09:44.000 I really don't know.
00:09:45.000 I'm pretty sure they're...
00:09:46.000 Do you know what NYU is doing about what?
00:09:49.000 About Israel.
00:09:50.000 Why are we protesting here?
00:09:53.000 I wish I was more educated.
00:09:55.000 I'm not either.
00:09:57.000 I came from Columbia.
00:09:58.000 I was there off at Columbia and we came down.
00:10:00.000 They decided NYU was too much needed our support.
00:10:03.000 So I came down.
00:10:04.000 I've heard there's lots of cops.
00:10:05.000 Some people are saying it was getting dangerous.
00:10:09.000 I wish I was more educated.
00:10:11.000 Well, Chris, that's what you're trying to do at the Herzog Foundation.
00:10:14.000 I mean, that's what we're trying to do across the country here.
00:10:16.000 By the way, don't you know her parents who are paying whatever they're paying to send her to Columbia are thrilled to hear her say on television, I wish I were more educated.
00:10:26.000 And by the way, I'm sure the people in the admissions at Columbia were thrilled to see the clip as well.
00:10:31.000 Yeah, that's the point.
00:10:32.000 They aren't, Andrew.
00:10:33.000 They aren't educated.
00:10:34.000 And sadly, too many of our kids aren't educated.
00:10:37.000 I don't mean to besmirch everybody in public education.
00:10:41.000 My wife was a public educator for 10 years until she stayed home with our kids.
00:10:44.000 My mother was one for 30 years, but they came from a different generation, as you know. 0.98
00:10:48.000 And we decided to pull our kids out of public school a while back.
00:10:53.000 And our daughter is now in a private Christian school.
00:10:55.000 And we couldn't be more thrilled.
00:10:57.000 And we saw for the first time, COVID is what kind of shook us awake.
00:11:01.000 And we waited too long.
00:11:02.000 A lot of people in this audience are already homeschooled.
00:11:05.000 Parents or our product of homeschool themselves are in private Christian school.
00:11:08.000 And I say, good for you.
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00:11:12.000 But for people who are really on the fence about it or don't know, but they see this stuff and it tugs at them, we really hope at the foundation that we're kind of the impetus, the impromator to help you make that leap and jump into Christian education or some alternative form of education because this madness, we're not going to turn the country around until we turn around a couple of generations of kids who learn civics and the United States. 0.91
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00:12:38.000 But the adults there, dude.
00:12:40.000 And yet, this, by the way, this is a long time coming.
00:12:44.000 This has been coming since the 1960s.
00:12:47.000 And now the people that were burning down college campuses, the people that were taking over presidents' offices, those people are now on the faculty senate, in the faculty senate, trying to encourage these students to do the same.
00:13:02.000 They helped elect it, they helped elect Nixon.
00:13:06.000 I guess they want to elect Donald Trump in 24.
00:13:09.000 Good on you, guys.
00:13:12.000 Joe Scarborough is freaking out on morning, Joe.
00:13:14.000 I'm joined by Chris DeGall from the Answer in Philadelphia 990, also head of content for Herzog Foundation that's helping educate a new generation of young people with the truth about America, about history.
00:13:29.000 I want to highlight this other story: the Reed Lion, lawmakers call for accountability over pro-Hamas campus violence.
00:13:36.000 Now, that clip that you just saw from Joe Scarborough, he starts it by talking about, you know, people trying to talk reason to these protesters.
00:13:46.000 They're shouting genocidal chants and this and that.
00:13:49.000 So these are some of the chants, Chris, and you, and you guys report this at Reed Lion.
00:13:54.000 These are some of the chants.
00:13:56.000 We say justice, you say how. 0.95
00:13:58.000 Burn Tel Aviv to the ground. 0.98
00:14:01.000 Hamas, we love you. 0.93
00:14:02.000 We support your rockets too.
00:14:05.000 Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas's fight. 0.82
00:14:10.000 It's right to rebel. 0.99
00:14:11.000 Let Hamas give them hell. 0.99
00:14:14.000 Now, these are genocidal chants. 0.99
00:14:17.000 You know, I'm not going to even parse words with them.
00:14:20.000 I mean, this now, on this show, Chris, just as by way of context, we don't support this, what we call an anti-free speech bill through Congress.
00:14:28.000 But this is actually highlighting a different legislative effort that I do support.
00:14:32.000 And this is Rick Scott, along with Tim Scott, have introduced the Stop Anti-Semitism on College Campuses Act, which would end federal funding for colleges and universities that support, authorize, and facilitate events that promote anti-Semitism.
00:14:46.000 I think that's great.
00:14:47.000 Cut them off.
00:14:48.000 Chris, tell us more about it.
00:14:50.000 Well, I do too.
00:14:51.000 In fact, I would just say, how about just end federal funding, period?
00:14:55.000 You know, that's really, I mean, if you're talking about kindergarten all the way through college, let's just get out of the federal funding business altogether.
00:15:03.000 Let's get federalism back into education and get the federal government out of it.
00:15:10.000 That is the answer.
00:15:11.000 That's what I know you believe.
00:15:13.000 I know that's what Charlie believes.
00:15:14.000 And most people that listen to this show believe.
00:15:17.000 This, when you hear Scarborough melting down, when you hear the left melting down about what these campuses and these campus riots are causing, what they're saying is actually their politics that have been indoctrinating young kids in K-12 education are coming back to bite them now.
00:15:35.000 This is Frankenstein's monster coming back to attack the village.
00:15:38.000 And I would just submit to them, not that I really want to give them any kind of political advice and help, but federalism is the thing that would help them quite a bit.
00:15:47.000 But now that they have codified this unholy alliance with the federal government and the Department of Education with K through 12, as well as federal funding to college campuses, sorry, the horse is out of the barn, guys.
00:15:59.000 You created this monster and now we've got to live with it.
00:16:02.000 Yeah, I mean, I completely agree with that.
00:16:03.000 I mean, there's so much bloat, by the way.
00:16:06.000 It's not just indoctrination.
00:16:07.000 It's bloat.
00:16:09.000 Wasting tax dollars.
00:16:11.000 The Department of Education, you could get rid of it for all I care tomorrow.
00:16:14.000 I know a lot of our audience supports that.
00:16:17.000 But, you know, it's creating this question of how to then deal with it, right?
00:16:23.000 Yesterday, it was a very tepid condemnation from Joe Biden on these college campuses.
00:16:29.000 You have the Wall Street Journal basically saying he's failing this test miserably this morning.
00:16:35.000 What is your grade that you would give some of these?
00:16:39.000 I mean, so you've seen different reactions, right?
00:16:40.000 You've seen Florida and Texas be very aggressive, but then it was like something switched.
00:16:45.000 Fordham got cleared up overnight.
00:16:48.000 Then you had Columbia, Hamilton Hall got cleared up.
00:16:51.000 UCLA encampment got cleared up.
00:16:54.000 All of a sudden, it seems like they realize this is a real bad optical problem for them.
00:16:59.000 The PR is terrible.
00:17:00.000 Americans don't like this protest and the riots.
00:17:05.000 What is your grade you're going to give to some of these schools for how they've handled this and then Joe Biden?
00:17:10.000 Yeah, it's embarrassing, of course.
00:17:13.000 To equivocate in any way, Joe Biden and referencing anti-Islam or anti-Muslim sentiment, I don't recall seeing a single Jewish encampment on any of these campuses.
00:17:26.000 I don't recall any Jewish protesters breaking things, breaking into things.
00:17:31.000 I don't see any Jewish protesters behaving the way these anti-Semitic and supposedly pro-Palestinian protesters have been reacting.
00:17:39.000 It's sad to see a feeble old man like Joe Biden try to figure out how to cobble together his constituency.
00:17:46.000 This is a man who's been in Congress since magma cooled, and I'm sure he's as dumbfounded as the rest of us to try to figure out what's become of his party and these radical America-hating factions that he's trying to pander to now, Andrew.
00:18:01.000 It's incredible.
00:18:02.000 I'm sure it makes his head spin.
00:18:04.000 It's incredible.
00:18:05.000 Yeah, he's pandering to the uncommitted votes in Michigan.
00:18:08.000 Chris deGaull, Herzog Foundation, check out ReadLion.com.
00:18:12.000 Thanks, Chris.
00:18:13.000 We'll talk to you soon.
00:18:14.000 Thanks, Andrew.
00:18:17.000 All right, without further ado, we've got a great piece that was actually just written by Josh Hammer, senior editor-at-large of Newsweek and host of the Josh Hammer Show.
00:18:28.000 Josh, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:18:31.000 Andrew, my friend, it's good to see you.
00:18:32.000 Thanks for having me.
00:18:34.000 It's great to see you too, my friend.
00:18:35.000 All right.
00:18:36.000 So you actually wrote this for Tom Klingenstein, his website.
00:18:40.000 It seems like it's blowing up, by the way.
00:18:41.000 He's just getting a lot of great contributing writers and columnists and essayists coming to Tom Klingenstein's website.
00:18:48.000 So definitely check that out.
00:18:50.000 Tom's a friend of the show.
00:18:51.000 We've had him on Claremont.
00:18:52.000 He's just an amazing thinker.
00:18:54.000 So it doesn't surprise me that people of your caliber, Josh, are writing for that website.
00:18:59.000 So your article is entitled The Tyranny of the Uniparty, and it's a really fascinating piece.
00:19:07.000 A bunch of people sent this to me this week.
00:19:09.000 So we wanted to have you on to discuss it.
00:19:11.000 Tell us about your basic premise, the tyranny of the Uniparty, which seems like obviously something we would agree with on this show. 0.99
00:19:18.000 Yeah, so let me just take a step back and kind of just explain, you know, who Tom is and where he's coming from and why this symposium that I contribute to, I think is important.
00:19:26.000 So, you know, Tom, as you mentioned, Andrew is chairman of the board of the Claremont Institute.
00:19:29.000 He is a patriot.
00:19:31.000 He is very pro-Trump.
00:19:33.000 And he supports a muscular, vigorous form of conservatism.
00:19:37.000 I don't want to speak for Tom, but that is kind of his lay of the land.
00:19:40.000 So I think he launched his own website, TomClinkensign.com, basically trying to advance that vision.
00:19:46.000 And specifically this symposium, I was the first or second of nine respondents, all responding to this one essay from Glenn Elmers, who is a longtime Claremont Fellow, and Ted Richards, who is also kind of vaguely in the Claremont Institute's orbit.
00:19:59.000 And they wrote this long 5,000 to 6,000 word essay.
00:20:02.000 Basically talking about how what the United States is currently experiencing is a soft form of totalitarianism.
00:20:09.000 It's not.
00:20:09.000 It's not the totalitarianism of the Soviet Union, it is not a a hard, you know in your face, send you to the, the gulag kind of totalitarianism, but it is a soft totalitarianism nonetheless.
00:20:20.000 And they basically explained, through a list of enumerated factors, why that is the case.
00:20:24.000 And there was one specific factor that I was asked to respond to, which is identifying this uniparty mentality and indeed empirical reality.
00:20:34.000 We would argue this is a feature of a modern soft totalitarianism.
00:20:38.000 So the money quote from the essay and I just want to make sure I get it right here the money quote from Glenn Elmers and Ted Richards is this Andrew, they say quote, leadership shifting from one party to another has become a change of aesthetics and emphasis, not of fundamental aims.
00:20:55.000 That is kind of the key quote from their essay that I was responding to and I I essentially agree with that premise.
00:21:01.000 I essentially agree that when you have changes in leadership right now, for The most part in Washington Dc the current situation in the House OF Representatives is a great example of that definitely in the U.s Senate, when you have folks like Mitch Mcconnell who are the leader of the Republican Caucus you, you have exactly that, a change in aesthetics and emphasis, not a change in fundamental aims.
00:21:20.000 And you could go issue by issue down the line Andrew, whether it's foreign policy, whether it is reckless spending, whether it is the immigration issue trade, the neoliberal trade agenda, selling out the American heartland to the, to globalists, the world Economic FORM, all that I mean.
00:21:33.000 I could go down the line here.
00:21:34.000 The point is, with very rare exceptions, both parties are largely in sync to the same overarching elite agenda.
00:21:42.000 Which is why ultimately, I conclude in this essay that what we need Andrew, are what I refer to as class traders, who are those who might have the credentials of the ruling class.
00:21:52.000 They might have gone to the right universities, they might hold fancy degrees, but their hearts, their minds, their concerns and their sensibilities are with what the late great Angelo Cotovilla called the country class, what Hillary Clinton not so artfully called the deplorables, meaning the American heartland and the median people.
00:22:08.000 We have some of those people, folks like Jd Vance, Josh Holly, folks who went to the right schools but who are advancing an agenda for the country class, not for the ruling class.
00:22:17.000 So ultimately, my conclusion Andrew, is that we need to identify class traitors.
00:22:21.000 That really is our mission right now.
00:22:23.000 Well, and the first class trader of them all was, of course, uh well, not of them all but in recent memory was Donald Trump.
00:22:28.000 Donald Trump was the guy that was adored by the ruling class and did all the the fancy media, had the fancy buildings, lived in the fancy town and he was supported by smelly Walmart people and so and that really is underscoring this tectonic shift that we have, we're seeing, I mean Within the electorate, right? 0.53
00:22:51.000 One of the most incredible statistics that I've seen is if you look at people who vote often, they support Democrats.
00:22:58.000 People who vote less often now support Republicans.
00:23:01.000 It used to be completely the opposite, which is why we need to chase the ballots.
00:23:05.000 We need to get our get out the vote organization in line.
00:23:09.000 That's what we're doing at Turning Point Action.
00:23:10.000 It's a huge ship.
00:23:11.000 But what that underscores is kind of what you're talking about.
00:23:14.000 A lot of this country class has been a little less checked into the political landscape.
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00:24:53.000 I want to reiterate this conclusion that you have because I actually pulled it out myself, Josh, when I was reading your piece.
00:24:59.000 You said, not every single Republican candidate or elected official is necessarily a part of the Uniparty blob.
00:25:07.000 Our difficult task is to find those such as Senators Josh Hawley and JD Vance, who may hold elite ruling class credentials, right?
00:25:15.000 J.D. went to, what was it, Yale?
00:25:18.000 Josh Hawley went to, was it Princeton or Harvard?
00:25:22.000 Yeah, also, Yale.
00:25:24.000 Who may hold elite ruling class credentials, but whose hearts, minds, concerns, and general sensibilities are decidedly with the country class.
00:25:34.000 I think the country class is a really great term, actually.
00:25:39.000 It's not derisive.
00:25:40.000 It's not, it's actually a compliment, right?
00:25:42.000 I mean, there is a virtue in the country class.
00:25:45.000 There's a virtue in the heart and soul of the American populace that still is very much alive and active and really is finding their voice again in people like Donald Trump.
00:25:55.000 Explain this country class.
00:25:57.000 Who is this?
00:25:58.000 Give me, paint a picture for, because it's not maybe just who you might think of in your head, right?
00:26:04.000 It expands and has different overlapping cohorts within it.
00:26:09.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:26:09.000 So, you know, first of all, I wish I could take credit for the term country class and ruling class, but I can't.
00:26:14.000 This actually goes back, this terminology goes back to a fairly well-known essay in 2010 from the late, great Claire Monster Angelo Coabella, who had this famous essay heard around the world.
00:26:25.000 It really was kind of a prescient prelude to Trump going down the escalator at Trump Tower in 2015.
00:26:31.000 And this was the essay where he kind of coined this dichotomy, this taxonomy between the ruling class and the country class.
00:26:36.000 So I think what Angelo is getting at, the country class, and certainly the sense in which I use the term.
00:26:41.000 Now, to an extent, it's people who quite literally do live closer to a river valley than to a coast, whether it's the Atlantic coast or the Pacific coast.
00:26:50.000 But even more so than geographically where you actually live, it really is your sensibilities.
00:26:56.000 I mean, at this point, Andrew, this is going to sound perhaps a little tangentious, but it's something as basic as the American flag itself.
00:27:04.000 If you are proud of this country, if you at this point will fly and wave old glory, the stars and stripes, you will get out of your seat at a baseball game, put your hands around your heart and say the national anthem, you are probably, whether you realize it or not, part of the country class.
00:27:18.000 It's the people who believe that America fundamentally is a good and just civilization and therefore it is worth defending.
00:27:25.000 It's people who are not trying to tear it down in the name of abstract ideologies such as free market fundamentalism and outsourcing jobs to communist China, the people who are not trying to tear it down in terms of trying to forcibly export our version of democracy to third world Islamist hellholes in Afghanistan and Iraq that have no interest in our form of constitutional republic. 0.88
00:27:45.000 It is people that cherish what we have, want to put the concrete policies in place, whether it is immigration, trade, foreign policy, political economy, Supreme Court nominees just down the spectrum, the folks who want to preserve and protect our heritage and what we have.
00:28:01.000 And these are the people that get besmirched by the mainstream media all the time.
00:28:04.000 Hillary Clinton's use of the term deplorables, I think, here is highly, highly illustrative.
00:28:09.000 That is how the corridors of power of the elite institutions in America, that is how they view folks like me and you who hold these sensibilities.
00:28:16.000 And again, that happens to be the case regardless of where you physically reside.
00:28:20.000 But disproportionately, it really is happening in the South and the Midwest and the American heartland, the Rocky Mountain West, perhaps above all, those regions here.
00:28:29.000 It has nothing to do with race whatsoever.
00:28:31.000 This is an important point to make here, especially what you saw a lot of this in the polls in 2020, Andrew.
00:28:37.000 So for example, in Texas, where I used to live, the polls in Texas were in many ways astonishing.
00:28:44.000 There were polls that were 95 to 5% Hispanic majority counties, like Star County, Texas, Zapata County, Texas, way down there in the Rio Grande Valley, that were basically going toss-up for Donald Trump versus Joe Biden.
00:28:57.000 And again, these are hardworking, hard-scrapped blue-collar voters who see what the deluge of uncontrolled migration patterns has done to their communities.
00:29:06.000 It doesn't matter that they speak Spanish.
00:29:08.000 It doesn't matter that they may be Hispanic. 1.00
00:29:10.000 They see the destruction of the open borders agenda and so forth there.
00:29:13.000 So it really does matter whether you cherish what we have and whether you're willing to kind of put the policies in place to preserve and protect that and not outsource it to the globalists, essentially.
00:29:23.000 Yeah.
00:29:23.000 And I think what you're the racial dynamic is a huge one.
00:29:26.000 That's why you're seeing Trump's poll numbers increase with blacks and Hispanics, minorities across the board.
00:29:32.000 But it's, you know, it's not just poor people either, right?
00:29:36.000 It's also more well-off people who aren't assimilated to elite norms, right?
00:29:41.000 It's, you know, it's this American gentry. 1.00
00:29:43.000 It's the upper middle class to the rich who live in, you know, North Dakota, Toledo, Ohio, that, you know, maybe they own a car dealership or a, you know, an insurance company, right?
00:29:55.000 So, you know, yeah, they're not in the hallowed halls of Princeton and Yale necessarily, but they might be what you call the American gentry, right?
00:30:02.000 And but they have, they have not assimilated to these coastal anti-American globalist norms.
00:30:08.000 So Josh, so we broke down this country versus the ruling class, the country class versus the ruling class.
00:30:15.000 I think it's a really great way to sort of see the dichotomy that's growing and emerging.
00:30:21.000 Often people will say, I feel like I'm living in two different Americas.
00:30:25.000 How do we and how does President Trump and the campaign best sort of focus the next couple of months to energize and expand his voting base and the people that might be drawn to him?
00:30:39.000 What are the messaging action items that you would have for the Trump campaign to really take advantage of this energy and expand it?
00:30:48.000 Yeah, so Andrew, I wrote a column a few weeks ago basically saying, here's what Trump has to do to be victorious this fall.
00:30:54.000 And in my estimation, I mean, don't overthink it.
00:30:56.000 There's no need to overthink that, which is already fairly straightforward and I think simplified, which is focus on the day-to-day bread and butter issues that matter to the median country class member.
00:31:08.000 What are those issues?
00:31:09.000 Well, it's the economy and inflation.
00:31:11.000 It's immigration and it's crime. 1.00
00:31:13.000 Those are really your issues.
00:31:14.000 Now, you know, you can talk a little bit about how the world is going aflame under Joe Biden and how the world is relatively stable and tranquil under Donald Trump.
00:31:21.000 That's fine.
00:31:22.000 But at the end of the day, most voters do prioritize and rightfully so domestic policy over foreign policy.
00:31:27.000 And talk about those issues that tangibly speaking under Donald Trump were demonstrably better than they currently are under this horrific presidency of Joe Biden.
00:31:36.000 Talk about the fact how inflation was very much under control for the entirety of Donald Trump's four years.
00:31:42.000 Talk about the fact how the unemployment rate, by the way, including for black voters under Donald Trump, the unemployment rate for black voters reached the lowest metric in the history of Gallup polling on that issue.
00:31:52.000 It literally reached a half century low on that particular metric.
00:31:56.000 The unemployment rate similarly for the 18 and 35 demographic was really, really, really manageable and stable and in many ways historic in its own right under Donald Trump there.
00:32:05.000 And above all, Andrew, the issue continues to be immigration.
00:32:08.000 I mean, this is the issue, especially after what Senate Democrats just did to Alejandro Mayorkes in refusing to even take up a meaningful impeachment trial and dismissing those charges out of hand after the House had this historic impeachment of a cabinet secretary for the first time in 140 plus years or so.
00:32:25.000 Make the border the issue.
00:32:26.000 You know, Andrew, a few weeks ago, I was speaking in Ohio and I met with a state official there.
00:32:31.000 I'll leave his name off the show because it was an off the record meeting, but I was talking about immigration and I said, you know, Mr. So-and-so, I understand that Ohio is not a border state.
00:32:41.000 And the official cut me off and said, Josh, what are you talking about?
00:32:44.000 Under President Biden, every single state is a border state.
00:32:48.000 And I think that just demonstrably is true.
00:32:50.000 It's probably the immigration issue above all that led to these Hispanics in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas voting as much as they did for Donald Trump in the 2020 election.
00:33:00.000 I live in Florida.
00:33:01.000 I think that issue has a lot to do with kind of the red pilling, for lack of a better term, of the Hispanic community in Florida, which by the way is not limited to the Cuban population.
00:33:09.000 It's the Venezuelans, the Colombians. 0.99
00:33:11.000 Even a lot of the Puerto Ricans in Florida are getting red pilled.
00:33:13.000 I think immigration has a lot to do with it there.
00:33:15.000 So it's really those domestic issues, inflation, immigration, and crime.
00:33:19.000 If you can focus on those bread and butter issues, I think Donald Trump's got a really, really, really good chance to prevail this fall.
00:33:24.000 All right.
00:33:25.000 So, Josh, I agree, obviously.
00:33:28.000 I think the bread and butter issues are going to be key.
00:33:30.000 I mean, I think Trump should be walking grocery store aisles with like, you know, a group of women that are just like shocked at the price of eggs, right? 1.00
00:33:37.000 You know, really like down home sort of issues.
00:33:42.000 You know, I kind of hearkening back to your article here, this uniparty idea, you know, is the betrayal that we've seen in the House, both the spending, this, you know, prioritization of foreign wars abroad, Ukraine, 60 billion more, Taiwan, obviously 24, 26 billion for Israel.
00:34:02.000 But then we find out, you know, embedded in some of these bills is $3.5 billion for two satellite offices and NGO money to expedite even more foreigners coming in.
00:34:12.000 By the way, that are, you know, probably a fair number of them are going to be Jew haters based on the region from which they are going to come.
00:34:20.000 So Americans have been betrayed by the Republicans in the House.
00:34:25.000 Is that going to create negative headwinds for Trump's reelection?
00:34:30.000 Yeah, real quick.
00:34:31.000 I mean, I'm not a fan of how Mike Johnson has conducted his speakership.
00:34:34.000 I think that he has been a disappointment.
00:34:36.000 That he has reneged on his word when it comes to prioritizing border security.
00:34:39.000 He's also totally flip-flopped on the Ukraine issue itself.
00:34:42.000 Andrew, recall that he was a Ukraine skeptic when he got the speakership as a Ukraine skeptic myself.
00:34:47.000 I was excited about that.
00:34:48.000 It turns out now he's been persuaded by the intelligence community and the national security establishment.
00:34:53.000 So I'm not a huge fan of the way that he has conducted himself.
00:34:56.000 You know, you know, having said that, House Republicans have a one-seat majority, and I would like to see a clear game plan for who would actually be able to get the votes to be better than Mike Johnson right now.
00:35:06.000 If it gets to a vote, I would probably vote with him to depose him.
00:35:10.000 But right now, unless I see a clear alternative, I'm not sure.
00:35:13.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:35:14.000 I don't know what the options are right now.
00:35:16.000 It's tricky.
00:35:17.000 Josh, thank you for joining us.
00:35:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:20.000 Talk to you soon.
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