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00:03:33.000We have a very special guest right now, Chris de Gaulle.
00:03:35.000He's the host of Salem 990, The Answer in Philadelphia, and he's also the VP of content for the Herzog Foundation, which has theLion.com, readlion.com, readlion.com.
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00:04:00.000So, Chris, without further ado, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:04:08.000Well, you guys, I mean, I hate to look at it in such terms, but a lot of people, a lot of Americans across the country are having their eyes opened to the fruits of indoctrination, the infiltration of our educational systems from a very young age, by the way.
00:05:24.000I mean, you know, but like I said, I think people are having their eyes open to this.
00:05:28.000And, you know, what's striking to me in this current moment is that all of this started because of October 7th, really.
00:05:37.000I mean, but it's the new thing, right?
00:05:39.000It started with BLM and then it was Antifa and, you know, and now it's the pro-Hamas crowd.
00:05:46.000But we're seeing these stories pop up because, you know, I think this Hamas-Israel conflict, you know, like I said, it's the newest thing, but a lot of their justification, their moral rationale for it starts from an uneducated place about what's really happening overseas.
00:06:05.000And you have two stories here that I think are really interesting.
00:06:08.000First one, California's school system is sued over falsified history about Israel-Hamas war.
00:06:15.000And again, you can get these at readlion.com.
00:06:20.000Yeah, this is a story of, it really is sort of a cousin of culturally what we see so much of schools indoctrinating, harboring transgender kids or indoctrinating kids, anti-Israel agendas and curriculum and hiding it, moreover, hiding it from parents, keeping it a secret.
00:06:41.000And so the Deborah Project and this story that we've covered at readlion.com, they've gotten involved to sue the Berkeley Unified School District to turn over the curriculum.
00:06:52.000And of course, now that it's been exposed, what you find is virulent anti-Semitic content.
00:06:57.000And this starts at a very young age, Andrew.
00:06:59.000As you said, I mean, this, in yet another story, not to jump ahead, but kind of the broader picture of all of this, of course, is the fact that starting as early as kindergarten and straight through 12th grade, these kids that we see on these college campuses today, they don't know anything except just activism.
00:07:20.000These two girls from NYU that show up on the campus of Columbia and they say, do you know why we're here?
00:07:27.000No, I don't really know why we're here.
00:07:29.000And literally said the words, I wish we were more educated.
00:07:32.000That clip, that was the personification of where we are today.
00:07:37.000Yeah, I mean, so how this story out of California where they're suing over this propaganda that's being pumped into schools, what age groups are we talking about here, Chris?
00:07:48.000Yeah, in this particular story, you're talking about kids as early as grade school.
00:07:54.000And that's you would think it's a high school curriculum, but no, no.
00:07:59.000I mean, they start at grade school and there's a commitment, you know, kind of philosophically, Andrew, the problem we have now, and I ask this question a lot of public school teachers who have been doing it for a long time.
00:08:12.000I say, what kind of people are coming out? of college to teach public school.
00:08:17.000And nearly every one of them answers some form or fashion of the same thing, which is those on the left that have an agenda.
00:08:24.000Maybe that was always true, but it's now just blatantly true that if you go off to school to become a public school teacher, odds are you probably have some kind of commitment to an organized agenda and civil activism, as it's known.
00:08:40.000And it's no longer about teaching, reading, writing, arithmetic, and the basics that we all understand public education, or at least we used to understand it.
00:09:05.000But what we all understand, what we've got to understand is our K through 12 public education, they've become left-wing indoctrination camps.
00:09:12.000And after a couple of generations of it, it's come home to roost on our college campuses across the country this week.
00:09:18.000Well, Chris, our cracked team of our video team here already has the clip.
00:10:11.000Well, Chris, that's what you're trying to do at the Herzog Foundation.
00:10:14.000I mean, that's what we're trying to do across the country here.
00:10:16.000By the way, don't you know her parents who are paying whatever they're paying to send her to Columbia are thrilled to hear her say on television, I wish I were more educated.
00:10:26.000And by the way, I'm sure the people in the admissions at Columbia were thrilled to see the clip as well.
00:11:09.000I hope you'll go to HerzogFoundation.com for more resources that way.
00:11:12.000But for people who are really on the fence about it or don't know, but they see this stuff and it tugs at them, we really hope at the foundation that we're kind of the impetus, the impromator to help you make that leap and jump into Christian education or some alternative form of education because this madness, we're not going to turn the country around until we turn around a couple of generations of kids who learn civics and the United States.
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00:12:47.000And now the people that were burning down college campuses, the people that were taking over presidents' offices, those people are now on the faculty senate, in the faculty senate, trying to encourage these students to do the same.
00:13:02.000They helped elect it, they helped elect Nixon.
00:13:06.000I guess they want to elect Donald Trump in 24.
00:13:12.000Joe Scarborough is freaking out on morning, Joe.
00:13:14.000I'm joined by Chris DeGall from the Answer in Philadelphia 990, also head of content for Herzog Foundation that's helping educate a new generation of young people with the truth about America, about history.
00:13:29.000I want to highlight this other story: the Reed Lion, lawmakers call for accountability over pro-Hamas campus violence.
00:13:36.000Now, that clip that you just saw from Joe Scarborough, he starts it by talking about, you know, people trying to talk reason to these protesters.
00:13:46.000They're shouting genocidal chants and this and that.
00:13:49.000So these are some of the chants, Chris, and you, and you guys report this at Reed Lion.
00:14:17.000You know, I'm not going to even parse words with them.
00:14:20.000I mean, this now, on this show, Chris, just as by way of context, we don't support this, what we call an anti-free speech bill through Congress.
00:14:28.000But this is actually highlighting a different legislative effort that I do support.
00:14:32.000And this is Rick Scott, along with Tim Scott, have introduced the Stop Anti-Semitism on College Campuses Act, which would end federal funding for colleges and universities that support, authorize, and facilitate events that promote anti-Semitism.
00:14:51.000In fact, I would just say, how about just end federal funding, period?
00:14:55.000You know, that's really, I mean, if you're talking about kindergarten all the way through college, let's just get out of the federal funding business altogether.
00:15:03.000Let's get federalism back into education and get the federal government out of it.
00:15:14.000And most people that listen to this show believe.
00:15:17.000This, when you hear Scarborough melting down, when you hear the left melting down about what these campuses and these campus riots are causing, what they're saying is actually their politics that have been indoctrinating young kids in K-12 education are coming back to bite them now.
00:15:35.000This is Frankenstein's monster coming back to attack the village.
00:15:38.000And I would just submit to them, not that I really want to give them any kind of political advice and help, but federalism is the thing that would help them quite a bit.
00:15:47.000But now that they have codified this unholy alliance with the federal government and the Department of Education with K through 12, as well as federal funding to college campuses, sorry, the horse is out of the barn, guys.
00:15:59.000You created this monster and now we've got to live with it.
00:16:02.000Yeah, I mean, I completely agree with that.
00:16:03.000I mean, there's so much bloat, by the way.
00:17:13.000To equivocate in any way, Joe Biden and referencing anti-Islam or anti-Muslim sentiment, I don't recall seeing a single Jewish encampment on any of these campuses.
00:17:26.000I don't recall any Jewish protesters breaking things, breaking into things.
00:17:31.000I don't see any Jewish protesters behaving the way these anti-Semitic and supposedly pro-Palestinian protesters have been reacting.
00:17:39.000It's sad to see a feeble old man like Joe Biden try to figure out how to cobble together his constituency.
00:17:46.000This is a man who's been in Congress since magma cooled, and I'm sure he's as dumbfounded as the rest of us to try to figure out what's become of his party and these radical America-hating factions that he's trying to pander to now, Andrew.
00:18:17.000All right, without further ado, we've got a great piece that was actually just written by Josh Hammer, senior editor-at-large of Newsweek and host of the Josh Hammer Show.
00:18:28.000Josh, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:18:31.000Andrew, my friend, it's good to see you.
00:18:54.000So it doesn't surprise me that people of your caliber, Josh, are writing for that website.
00:18:59.000So your article is entitled The Tyranny of the Uniparty, and it's a really fascinating piece.
00:19:07.000A bunch of people sent this to me this week.
00:19:09.000So we wanted to have you on to discuss it.
00:19:11.000Tell us about your basic premise, the tyranny of the Uniparty, which seems like obviously something we would agree with on this show.
00:19:18.000Yeah, so let me just take a step back and kind of just explain, you know, who Tom is and where he's coming from and why this symposium that I contribute to, I think is important.
00:19:26.000So, you know, Tom, as you mentioned, Andrew is chairman of the board of the Claremont Institute.
00:19:33.000And he supports a muscular, vigorous form of conservatism.
00:19:37.000I don't want to speak for Tom, but that is kind of his lay of the land.
00:19:40.000So I think he launched his own website, TomClinkensign.com, basically trying to advance that vision.
00:19:46.000And specifically this symposium, I was the first or second of nine respondents, all responding to this one essay from Glenn Elmers, who is a longtime Claremont Fellow, and Ted Richards, who is also kind of vaguely in the Claremont Institute's orbit.
00:19:59.000And they wrote this long 5,000 to 6,000 word essay.
00:20:02.000Basically talking about how what the United States is currently experiencing is a soft form of totalitarianism.
00:20:09.000It's not the totalitarianism of the Soviet Union, it is not a a hard, you know in your face, send you to the, the gulag kind of totalitarianism, but it is a soft totalitarianism nonetheless.
00:20:20.000And they basically explained, through a list of enumerated factors, why that is the case.
00:20:24.000And there was one specific factor that I was asked to respond to, which is identifying this uniparty mentality and indeed empirical reality.
00:20:34.000We would argue this is a feature of a modern soft totalitarianism.
00:20:38.000So the money quote from the essay and I just want to make sure I get it right here the money quote from Glenn Elmers and Ted Richards is this Andrew, they say quote, leadership shifting from one party to another has become a change of aesthetics and emphasis, not of fundamental aims.
00:20:55.000That is kind of the key quote from their essay that I was responding to and I I essentially agree with that premise.
00:21:01.000I essentially agree that when you have changes in leadership right now, for The most part in Washington Dc the current situation in the House OF Representatives is a great example of that definitely in the U.s Senate, when you have folks like Mitch Mcconnell who are the leader of the Republican Caucus you, you have exactly that, a change in aesthetics and emphasis, not a change in fundamental aims.
00:21:20.000And you could go issue by issue down the line Andrew, whether it's foreign policy, whether it is reckless spending, whether it is the immigration issue trade, the neoliberal trade agenda, selling out the American heartland to the, to globalists, the world Economic FORM, all that I mean.
00:21:34.000The point is, with very rare exceptions, both parties are largely in sync to the same overarching elite agenda.
00:21:42.000Which is why ultimately, I conclude in this essay that what we need Andrew, are what I refer to as class traders, who are those who might have the credentials of the ruling class.
00:21:52.000They might have gone to the right universities, they might hold fancy degrees, but their hearts, their minds, their concerns and their sensibilities are with what the late great Angelo Cotovilla called the country class, what Hillary Clinton not so artfully called the deplorables, meaning the American heartland and the median people.
00:22:08.000We have some of those people, folks like Jd Vance, Josh Holly, folks who went to the right schools but who are advancing an agenda for the country class, not for the ruling class.
00:22:17.000So ultimately, my conclusion Andrew, is that we need to identify class traitors.
00:22:23.000Well, and the first class trader of them all was, of course, uh well, not of them all but in recent memory was Donald Trump.
00:22:28.000Donald Trump was the guy that was adored by the ruling class and did all the the fancy media, had the fancy buildings, lived in the fancy town and he was supported by smelly Walmart people and so and that really is underscoring this tectonic shift that we have, we're seeing, I mean Within the electorate, right?
00:22:51.000One of the most incredible statistics that I've seen is if you look at people who vote often, they support Democrats.
00:22:58.000People who vote less often now support Republicans.
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00:25:24.000Who may hold elite ruling class credentials, but whose hearts, minds, concerns, and general sensibilities are decidedly with the country class.
00:25:34.000I think the country class is a really great term, actually.
00:25:40.000It's not, it's actually a compliment, right?
00:25:42.000I mean, there is a virtue in the country class.
00:25:45.000There's a virtue in the heart and soul of the American populace that still is very much alive and active and really is finding their voice again in people like Donald Trump.
00:26:09.000So, you know, first of all, I wish I could take credit for the term country class and ruling class, but I can't.
00:26:14.000This actually goes back, this terminology goes back to a fairly well-known essay in 2010 from the late, great Claire Monster Angelo Coabella, who had this famous essay heard around the world.
00:26:25.000It really was kind of a prescient prelude to Trump going down the escalator at Trump Tower in 2015.
00:26:31.000And this was the essay where he kind of coined this dichotomy, this taxonomy between the ruling class and the country class.
00:26:36.000So I think what Angelo is getting at, the country class, and certainly the sense in which I use the term.
00:26:41.000Now, to an extent, it's people who quite literally do live closer to a river valley than to a coast, whether it's the Atlantic coast or the Pacific coast.
00:26:50.000But even more so than geographically where you actually live, it really is your sensibilities.
00:26:56.000I mean, at this point, Andrew, this is going to sound perhaps a little tangentious, but it's something as basic as the American flag itself.
00:27:04.000If you are proud of this country, if you at this point will fly and wave old glory, the stars and stripes, you will get out of your seat at a baseball game, put your hands around your heart and say the national anthem, you are probably, whether you realize it or not, part of the country class.
00:27:18.000It's the people who believe that America fundamentally is a good and just civilization and therefore it is worth defending.
00:27:25.000It's people who are not trying to tear it down in the name of abstract ideologies such as free market fundamentalism and outsourcing jobs to communist China, the people who are not trying to tear it down in terms of trying to forcibly export our version of democracy to third world Islamist hellholes in Afghanistan and Iraq that have no interest in our form of constitutional republic.
00:27:45.000It is people that cherish what we have, want to put the concrete policies in place, whether it is immigration, trade, foreign policy, political economy, Supreme Court nominees just down the spectrum, the folks who want to preserve and protect our heritage and what we have.
00:28:01.000And these are the people that get besmirched by the mainstream media all the time.
00:28:04.000Hillary Clinton's use of the term deplorables, I think, here is highly, highly illustrative.
00:28:09.000That is how the corridors of power of the elite institutions in America, that is how they view folks like me and you who hold these sensibilities.
00:28:16.000And again, that happens to be the case regardless of where you physically reside.
00:28:20.000But disproportionately, it really is happening in the South and the Midwest and the American heartland, the Rocky Mountain West, perhaps above all, those regions here.
00:28:29.000It has nothing to do with race whatsoever.
00:28:31.000This is an important point to make here, especially what you saw a lot of this in the polls in 2020, Andrew.
00:28:37.000So for example, in Texas, where I used to live, the polls in Texas were in many ways astonishing.
00:28:44.000There were polls that were 95 to 5% Hispanic majority counties, like Star County, Texas, Zapata County, Texas, way down there in the Rio Grande Valley, that were basically going toss-up for Donald Trump versus Joe Biden.
00:28:57.000And again, these are hardworking, hard-scrapped blue-collar voters who see what the deluge of uncontrolled migration patterns has done to their communities.
00:29:06.000It doesn't matter that they speak Spanish.
00:29:08.000It doesn't matter that they may be Hispanic.
00:29:10.000They see the destruction of the open borders agenda and so forth there.
00:29:13.000So it really does matter whether you cherish what we have and whether you're willing to kind of put the policies in place to preserve and protect that and not outsource it to the globalists, essentially.
00:29:23.000And I think what you're the racial dynamic is a huge one.
00:29:26.000That's why you're seeing Trump's poll numbers increase with blacks and Hispanics, minorities across the board.
00:29:32.000But it's, you know, it's not just poor people either, right?
00:29:36.000It's also more well-off people who aren't assimilated to elite norms, right?
00:29:41.000It's, you know, it's this American gentry.
00:29:43.000It's the upper middle class to the rich who live in, you know, North Dakota, Toledo, Ohio, that, you know, maybe they own a car dealership or a, you know, an insurance company, right?
00:29:55.000So, you know, yeah, they're not in the hallowed halls of Princeton and Yale necessarily, but they might be what you call the American gentry, right?
00:30:02.000And but they have, they have not assimilated to these coastal anti-American globalist norms.
00:30:08.000So Josh, so we broke down this country versus the ruling class, the country class versus the ruling class.
00:30:15.000I think it's a really great way to sort of see the dichotomy that's growing and emerging.
00:30:21.000Often people will say, I feel like I'm living in two different Americas.
00:30:25.000How do we and how does President Trump and the campaign best sort of focus the next couple of months to energize and expand his voting base and the people that might be drawn to him?
00:30:39.000What are the messaging action items that you would have for the Trump campaign to really take advantage of this energy and expand it?
00:30:48.000Yeah, so Andrew, I wrote a column a few weeks ago basically saying, here's what Trump has to do to be victorious this fall.
00:30:54.000And in my estimation, I mean, don't overthink it.
00:30:56.000There's no need to overthink that, which is already fairly straightforward and I think simplified, which is focus on the day-to-day bread and butter issues that matter to the median country class member.
00:31:14.000Now, you know, you can talk a little bit about how the world is going aflame under Joe Biden and how the world is relatively stable and tranquil under Donald Trump.
00:31:22.000But at the end of the day, most voters do prioritize and rightfully so domestic policy over foreign policy.
00:31:27.000And talk about those issues that tangibly speaking under Donald Trump were demonstrably better than they currently are under this horrific presidency of Joe Biden.
00:31:36.000Talk about the fact how inflation was very much under control for the entirety of Donald Trump's four years.
00:31:42.000Talk about the fact how the unemployment rate, by the way, including for black voters under Donald Trump, the unemployment rate for black voters reached the lowest metric in the history of Gallup polling on that issue.
00:31:52.000It literally reached a half century low on that particular metric.
00:31:56.000The unemployment rate similarly for the 18 and 35 demographic was really, really, really manageable and stable and in many ways historic in its own right under Donald Trump there.
00:32:05.000And above all, Andrew, the issue continues to be immigration.
00:32:08.000I mean, this is the issue, especially after what Senate Democrats just did to Alejandro Mayorkes in refusing to even take up a meaningful impeachment trial and dismissing those charges out of hand after the House had this historic impeachment of a cabinet secretary for the first time in 140 plus years or so.
00:32:26.000You know, Andrew, a few weeks ago, I was speaking in Ohio and I met with a state official there.
00:32:31.000I'll leave his name off the show because it was an off the record meeting, but I was talking about immigration and I said, you know, Mr. So-and-so, I understand that Ohio is not a border state.
00:32:41.000And the official cut me off and said, Josh, what are you talking about?
00:32:44.000Under President Biden, every single state is a border state.
00:32:48.000And I think that just demonstrably is true.
00:32:50.000It's probably the immigration issue above all that led to these Hispanics in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas voting as much as they did for Donald Trump in the 2020 election.
00:33:01.000I think that issue has a lot to do with kind of the red pilling, for lack of a better term, of the Hispanic community in Florida, which by the way is not limited to the Cuban population.
00:33:28.000I think the bread and butter issues are going to be key.
00:33:30.000I mean, I think Trump should be walking grocery store aisles with like, you know, a group of women that are just like shocked at the price of eggs, right?
00:33:37.000You know, really like down home sort of issues.
00:33:42.000You know, I kind of hearkening back to your article here, this uniparty idea, you know, is the betrayal that we've seen in the House, both the spending, this, you know, prioritization of foreign wars abroad, Ukraine, 60 billion more, Taiwan, obviously 24, 26 billion for Israel.
00:34:02.000But then we find out, you know, embedded in some of these bills is $3.5 billion for two satellite offices and NGO money to expedite even more foreigners coming in.
00:34:12.000By the way, that are, you know, probably a fair number of them are going to be Jew haters based on the region from which they are going to come.
00:34:20.000So Americans have been betrayed by the Republicans in the House.
00:34:25.000Is that going to create negative headwinds for Trump's reelection?
00:34:48.000It turns out now he's been persuaded by the intelligence community and the national security establishment.
00:34:53.000So I'm not a huge fan of the way that he has conducted himself.
00:34:56.000You know, you know, having said that, House Republicans have a one-seat majority, and I would like to see a clear game plan for who would actually be able to get the votes to be better than Mike Johnson right now.
00:35:06.000If it gets to a vote, I would probably vote with him to depose him.
00:35:10.000But right now, unless I see a clear alternative, I'm not sure.