00:01:07.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:41.000You know, we like to say on the show that people committed the crime of noticing.
00:01:46.000You obviously started to, you popularized that, meaning using their brains and using pattern recognition.
00:01:53.000You might be one of the most talented noticers on the planet.
00:01:56.000What are some of the things that you noticed long before the national media did, and how have you been treated as a result?
00:02:03.000Yeah, I mean, my basic approach is to say that there isn't some vast dichotomy between the science and what you can notice every day with your lying eyes, the kind of patterns that are apparent in daily life.
00:02:24.000So if you see a stereotype in regular life, yeah, it probably shows up in the social science data from the federal government and academics, and vice versa.
00:02:38.000If there's some sort of pattern going on nationwide that is showing up in the FBI crime statistics or the Center for Disease Control statistics for deaths, then you'll probably notice it on your own street.
00:02:58.000So, for example, May 25th, 2020, George Floyd dies.
00:03:05.000This begins the second Black Lives Matter era.
00:03:10.000Entire establishment of the United States decides that this is the time for the racial reckoning.
00:03:18.000Among so many other things we must do, we must have the police do less policing of African Americans.
00:03:28.000They're suffering from too much law and order.
00:03:33.000Now, we'd already done that once on a smaller scale during what was called the Ferguson effect.
00:03:39.000In August of 2014, in the St. Louis area, Black Lives Matter merged after the shooting by the cop of Michael Brown, the gentle giant, during his crime rampage.
00:03:58.000This set off a whole series of scandals across the country about too much policing of blacks.
00:06:04.000Stuff like murder rates and car crash rates normally don't change much from year to year.
00:06:10.000They're all rather personal decisions.
00:06:13.000But we've managed our cultural, national, political, corporate leadership has managed to do to get a whole lot more blacks killed.
00:06:26.000I estimate in the name of saving black lives.
00:06:31.000I estimate that in 2021, about 10,000 more blacks died annually due to car crashes and murders than if the trends seen back before Ferguson, before the Ferguson effect, before the Floyd effect, before Black Lives Matter had carried on.
00:06:54.000By this point, you know, it's many times the total number of African Americans who were lynched in American history, the incremental numbers that have been getting killed during the Black Lives Matter era.
00:07:09.000It's a complete fiasco, and it's mostly just buried in the press.
00:07:16.000If they need to mention that one thing or the other has gone up, they say it has, it's due to COVID.
00:07:28.000And let's just not go into this huge effect that's been going on that's been unleashing chaos across America and that people in our elites promoted so heavily for about a year and a half in this decade.
00:08:45.000For example, here's an obscure finding that I made regarding that, which was I was trying to figure out how much human capital we're losing from COVID.
00:08:58.000If you go back to the Spanish flu of 1918, it struck young people.
00:09:03.000It left a whole bunch of widows and children.
00:09:07.000It killed off like national leaders, just dropped dead in office.
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00:11:27.000So, Steve, what I'm getting at, and I'm struggling to word it.
00:11:31.000It's been a very long month this week, is walk us through what it takes for a person to ignore the noticing and to embrace delusional ideology.
00:11:44.000Because in some ways, that could capture the academic elite.
00:11:49.000They refuse to notice and they live in a created synthetic world that is inconsistent with what is actually happening.
00:11:57.000Please, your response, walk us through that, Steve Sailor.
00:12:00.000Yeah, I mean, my finding is the true academic elite, researchers out on the cutting edge of findings in the human sciences, are really pretty good at discovering stuff, stuff that ties into daily life.
00:12:24.000I'll give you a complicated anecdote, but way back in MBA school, in the early 80s, I was on a team in a class with a fellow who was extremely bright, extremely ambitious.
00:12:45.000His goal was to make his fortune in outer space, which I said, well, yeah, I've read all those Robert Heinlein novels too.
00:13:12.000He wasn't the most pleasant personality, but he could get things done, that's for sure.
00:13:17.000Until about 2013, I'm reading the Washington Post an article about America's highest paid female CEO, which turns out to be this guy I'd gotten to know real well back in MBA school.
00:13:55.000And this is amazing when one of the many children he's fathered came down with some rare disease and he dropped what he was doing in outer space, studied the medical textbooks, and invented a cure from which he went on to make a second fortune.
00:14:17.000So this is, he's a hero out of old-time 1950s science fiction, but he's also decided he's a woman.
00:14:26.000And all right, so what I learned was that that's not a real uncommon pattern among the people, the X-Men, who announced that, well, I was always a girl on the inside.
00:14:42.000I was just, I was assigned the wrong gender at birth.
00:14:46.000I've always been super feminine on the inside.
00:14:49.000If you take the ones who achieved prominence before they had this revelation and decided to transition, most of them are not at all feminine in any aspect.
00:15:00.000They tend to be highly masculine, highly arrogant.
00:15:04.000IIQ, one study found average IQ in the 120s, not real good people persons, kind of extremely high-functioning Asperger-y types, very self-motivated.
00:15:21.000And so if you go around looking at celebrities who have decided that they're really women, oh, like the father of the newswoman Katie Tour, Bob Tour, who as chopper Bob became the most famous TV helicopter pilot in the country, covering OJ and the white Bronco and stuff like that.
00:15:45.000Katie has published a memoir of her life with her father, who was a complete jerk.
00:15:52.000And, you know, maybe, hopefully, gastration has made him a little less violent for the people in his life, but yeah, it still seems like he's not really calmed down that much.
00:16:06.000You can go through a long list, these people, and they don't tend to be feminine.
00:17:26.000The question is: what's the real story about all of these prominent transgender X-Men, like Bruce Jenner, for example, who have transitioned into still highly masculine, supposedly lesbian women?
00:17:47.000Did they always assign the wrong gender at birth?
00:18:09.000It's basically something that happens to a certain number of boys when they get to puberty, and they start to dress up in their mother's lingerie and masturbate in front of the mirror, imagining themselves as the perfect woman, the idol of their sex drives.
00:18:30.000Now, it's crazy, but here's the thing: it's out there, it's common.
00:18:37.000Once you hear about this pattern, this sex fetish called autogynophilia, you'll see it all the time in these famous X-Men.
00:18:49.000But the X-Men are also really good at getting the media to censor it.
00:18:55.000In the history of the New York Times, the word autogynophilia has been published exactly twice since 1851.
00:19:56.000They should have their breasts chopped off.
00:19:58.000So we have this disaster over the last 10 years of rapid onset gender dysphoria among normal girls just going through adolescent moodiness, and it's ruining lives.
00:20:15.000And nobody's telling them that all these famous guys who claim now to be women tend to be motivated by a rather comic sex fetish.
00:20:26.000The media is covering it up completely, and it's just causing carnage, literally, in the lives of thousands of pretty normal girls who'd probably grow out of it in a few years.
00:20:43.000So things like that happen when we don't have freedom to discuss what we see with our own lying eyes and what the human sciences are discovering.
00:20:55.000So, yeah, and the human sciences basically should be in the business of noticing and then sharing what they've noticed.
00:21:02.000I know that's an awful simplification to distill a huge body of work.
00:21:08.000And your Twitter followers have more than doubled since Musk bought the site.
00:21:12.000Do you think that the American population is more and more interested in the truth regardless of where it might lead?
00:21:23.000I go on a campus and they're screaming at me about white supremacy.
00:21:26.000And I say, do you realize that about 60%, about 57 to 60% dependent on the year, of all murders are done by 3% of the population, young black men, 60%.
00:21:41.000And it takes some courage to say that, not for me, but just in regular society.
00:21:46.000Do you feel as if that regular Americans are more and more willing to embrace the data, the facts, reality, even if it might mean they might be called bad names?
00:22:06.000Generally, there's less freedom to state the bleeding obvious.
00:22:16.000For example, in this decade, the crucial facts you needed to know to have an intelligent opinion on the, quote, racial reckoning brought about by George Floyd and the subsequent national nervous breakdown is, yeah, blacks tend to commit murder about 10 times as often per capita as whites.
00:22:46.000And yeah, it's not just all explained by poverty and so forth.
00:22:52.000The Harvard economist Rod Chetty did this massive study and discovered that, yeah, blacks who were raised in families with the same income as whites tend to be imprisoned when they're about 30 years old, three to 10 times as much as whites from exactly the same income level as filled in on their taxes.
00:23:21.000Then there's lots of other things involving test scores.
00:23:25.000We have this overwhelming demand to promote blacks to higher positions.
00:23:33.000But if you look at the numbers, nobody knows where All these highly talented but unemployed blacks are.
00:23:42.000So these have all been kind of a disaster for us in the 20s.
00:23:47.000But are we supposed to talk about that?
00:23:51.000To come out and say it that bluntly as I say it, to use Occam's razor to explain what's really going on about the major issues, that's not that popular.
00:24:03.000You know, if I'm up over 100,000 followers on Twitter, that's mostly because until Elon Musk came along and Twitter had some sort of relationship with me, like, yeah, we're not going to let Sailor thrive, but we kind of like him and he does tell the truth.
00:24:24.000So we're not going to get rid of him, but we'll just hold him back.
00:24:28.000Musk's intervention could be a big deal.
00:24:46.000So, Steve, how have you personally and professionally been treated the more that you have published this data?
00:24:54.000I think this is important for our audience to realize, because in a time long gone, you were a National Review columnist, you know, and high society.
00:25:03.000Do you believe that your profession has been more difficult or more challenging because of your discoveries and because of how blunt you present the data that you compile?
00:25:17.000Yeah, I mean, I had a decision to make a long time ago in the 1990s, was, was I going to spend a lot of mental effort trying to soft soap what I was finding, or could I just devote that mental energy to finding more fascinating facts about how the world works, to notice ever more patterns?
00:25:47.000And my brain really likes finding patterns and trying to come up with an elegant way to obfuscate the implications and make them sound so that only a few people will figure out what I'm talking about.
00:26:51.000So, Steve, what do you think is one of the most important patterns that is currently not in the mainstream zeitgeist in America that you find that is so glaring, civilizational defining, if you will, that people are not talking about or ignoring it?
00:27:07.000I think I'm going to come back to the idea that, as I pointed out before, that when Black Lives Matter was decided that they were the moral arbiters of America, what they immediately got done was getting a whole lot of blacks killed.
00:27:28.000I'm counting about 18,000 more blacks have died by homicide and car crash in the 2020s than if the late 2010s patterns had carried on.
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00:29:20.000We have a lot of younger listeners that are just getting into conservatism.
00:29:25.000What books, literature, writers, sources do you recommend after many decades of doing this?
00:29:31.000And I don't even use the words conservative, just living in reality.
00:29:33.000Do you recommend that young people take seriously, that they study to try to become informed and to have a deeper understanding of the world?
00:29:42.000I mean, my basic intellectual heritage goes back about 50 years to what was kind of like this forgotten era that I call first wave domestic neoconservatism,
00:30:01.000which at that point didn't obsess that much over foreign policy, but tended to be founded by social scientists like Daniel Patrick Moynihan, James Q. Wilson, Andrew Greeley.
00:30:15.000It took a very realistic dive into what's going on in America in the late 1960s.
00:30:23.000So I think I'm still a descendant of that.
00:30:29.000My idol, who's a direct line descendant of those great thinkers, is Charles Murray.
00:30:39.000And I'd say, for example, on the topics we've been talking about, Charles's recent book, Two Truths Facing Reality About Crime and Intelligence in the United States, that came out a couple of years ago.
00:30:58.000And it was written directly in response to the national craziness over the George Floyd racial reckoning.
00:31:08.000And it lays out the facts and it kind of disappeared without making a ripple in the national pond because nobody in 2021 wanted to hear about that.
00:31:22.000But it'll get you off to a good start.
00:31:26.000So, yeah, and Steve, you know, in closing here, what piece of work would you like our audience to be aware of that you're currently working on that is going to be published or that has been published that you want to make sure our audience can support or can get behind?
00:31:41.000Well, I've got a couple of things going on.
00:31:43.000One's an article on my native San Fernando Valley in, it's coming up in American Conservative magazine.
00:31:51.000Looks into the question nobody's looked into before is like the San Fernando Valley, home to Lockheed, to a whole bunch of movie studios, was kind of the, we kind of won the Cold War through the hard power and the soft power of the United States.
00:32:09.000The Valley nowadays is filling up with ex-Soviets, which kind of raises this interesting question.
00:32:22.000We might have defeated the instrument that the ideology was hosted in, but we actually, I think, ingested the virus that we were once fighting.
00:32:31.000We're more like the Soviet Union than they were in the later stages.
00:32:36.000Yeah, the other thing is I've got an anthology book coming out called Noticing in a Very Expensive, Luxury, First Hardback Edition This Year, a Reasonably Priced Paperback Next Year.
00:32:50.000It's called Noticing the Essential Steve Saylor, 1973 to 2023.