The Charlie Kirk Show - October 12, 2023


The Crime of "Noticing" with Steve Sailer


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Steve Salier joins us today to talk about his new book, "The Crime of Noticening," and why police kill more Black people than any other racial group in the United States. Charlie and Steve also discuss the Black Lives Matter movement and its impact on policing across the country.

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00:01:29.000 It's going to be informative and deep.
00:01:30.000 Joining us now is Steve Salier, who I find to be incredibly interesting and one of the most talented noticers in the country.
00:01:39.000 Steve, welcome to the program.
00:01:41.000 You know, we like to say on the show that people committed the crime of noticing.
00:01:46.000 You obviously started to, you popularized that, meaning using their brains and using pattern recognition.
00:01:53.000 You might be one of the most talented noticers on the planet.
00:01:56.000 What are some of the things that you noticed long before the national media did, and how have you been treated as a result?
00:02:03.000 Yeah, I mean, my basic approach is to say that there isn't some vast dichotomy between the science and what you can notice every day with your lying eyes, the kind of patterns that are apparent in daily life.
00:02:24.000 So if you see a stereotype in regular life, yeah, it probably shows up in the social science data from the federal government and academics, and vice versa.
00:02:38.000 If there's some sort of pattern going on nationwide that is showing up in the FBI crime statistics or the Center for Disease Control statistics for deaths, then you'll probably notice it on your own street.
00:02:58.000 So, for example, May 25th, 2020, George Floyd dies.
00:03:05.000 This begins the second Black Lives Matter era. 0.99
00:03:10.000 Entire establishment of the United States decides that this is the time for the racial reckoning.
00:03:18.000 Among so many other things we must do, we must have the police do less policing of African Americans.
00:03:28.000 They're suffering from too much law and order.
00:03:31.000 All right.
00:03:33.000 Now, we'd already done that once on a smaller scale during what was called the Ferguson effect.
00:03:39.000 In August of 2014, in the St. Louis area, Black Lives Matter merged after the shooting by the cop of Michael Brown, the gentle giant, during his crime rampage.
00:03:58.000 This set off a whole series of scandals across the country about too much policing of blacks.
00:04:05.000 Well, what happened then? 0.92
00:04:06.000 Well, one thing that happened back in the Ferguson effect was that murders went up, especially murders of blacks.
00:04:16.000 From the year 2014 to the year 2016, African Americans died 27% more by homicide, according to the CDC.
00:04:29.000 And something that people didn't notice at all was they also died 24% more in motor vehicle accidents, in car crashes.
00:04:39.000 Now, what's going on?
00:04:40.000 Well, basically, less policing, just like the establishment asked for in the name of Black Lives Matter. 0.97
00:04:48.000 You end up killing off about a quarter more blacks in those years because you're policing them less. 0.69
00:04:58.000 If you see somebody in St. Louis driving badly, should you pull them over? 0.98
00:05:04.000 Should you search them for an illegal handgun?
00:05:07.000 And no, you know, the New York Times will be on our case.
00:05:11.000 So cops pulled back.
00:05:14.000 They retreated to the donut shop.
00:05:17.000 And the death rate for blacks went up about 25% over those two years.
00:05:23.000 Heck of a job, Black Lives Matter. 1.00
00:05:26.000 All right.
00:05:27.000 Hit the 2020 during the mania of 2020.
00:05:30.000 The establishment decides we're going to do it all over again.
00:05:34.000 We're going to, on just a massive scale, national right away.
00:05:38.000 And what happens between 2019 and 2021? 0.98
00:05:42.000 Well, blacks die 44% more by homicide, almost all at the hands of other blacks. 1.00
00:05:49.000 And they managed to get themselves killed 39% more in traffic fatalities. 0.98
00:05:56.000 Great job, Black Lives Matter.
00:05:59.000 Now, these patterns are huge.
00:06:02.000 They're historic.
00:06:04.000 Stuff like murder rates and car crash rates normally don't change much from year to year.
00:06:10.000 They're all rather personal decisions. 0.77
00:06:13.000 But we've managed our cultural, national, political, corporate leadership has managed to do to get a whole lot more blacks killed. 1.00
00:06:26.000 I estimate in the name of saving black lives.
00:06:31.000 I estimate that in 2021, about 10,000 more blacks died annually due to car crashes and murders than if the trends seen back before Ferguson, before the Ferguson effect, before the Floyd effect, before Black Lives Matter had carried on.
00:06:52.000 That's 10,000 a year.
00:06:54.000 By this point, you know, it's many times the total number of African Americans who were lynched in American history, the incremental numbers that have been getting killed during the Black Lives Matter era.
00:07:09.000 It's a complete fiasco, and it's mostly just buried in the press.
00:07:16.000 If they need to mention that one thing or the other has gone up, they say it has, it's due to COVID.
00:07:24.000 Never explain why it's due to COVID.
00:07:26.000 It just is.
00:07:28.000 And let's just not go into this huge effect that's been going on that's been unleashing chaos across America and that people in our elites promoted so heavily for about a year and a half in this decade.
00:07:47.000 Now they're backing off.
00:07:48.000 They're trying to get, they're embarrassed by it.
00:07:51.000 They just want it to be memory hold at this point.
00:07:55.000 But that's the kind of thing I notice and I bring up a lot.
00:07:58.000 We as human beings naturally notice things, pattern recognition.
00:08:03.000 I'll give you one that is non-controversial.
00:08:05.000 During COVID, the people that I saw that were dying were fat.
00:08:09.000 I didn't need a study to tell me that.
00:08:11.000 Just in my local life, in my local circle, people that were really struggling with COVID were people that were overweight.
00:08:18.000 And it turns out that once our health agencies were forced to put out accurate data, the macro and the micro connected, right?
00:08:27.000 So it turned out that the pattern recognition that I was seeing in my neighborhood was also confirmed with a macro trend.
00:08:36.000 We're naturally wired to see that.
00:08:40.000 Do you have a thought on that, Steve, before I get to the deeper question?
00:08:42.000 But I want to give you a chance to interject.
00:08:44.000 Yeah.
00:08:45.000 For example, here's an obscure finding that I made regarding that, which was I was trying to figure out how much human capital we're losing from COVID.
00:08:58.000 If you go back to the Spanish flu of 1918, it struck young people.
00:09:03.000 It left a whole bunch of widows and children.
00:09:07.000 It killed off like national leaders, just dropped dead in office.
00:09:14.000 It was extremely disruptive.
00:09:15.000 And so the question is, how many people still in the prime of their years at the top of their careers were being killed by COVID?
00:09:25.000 And when I went through lists of prominent people who died, most of them, you know, they were famous 20 years ago, 30 years ago.
00:09:36.000 Oh, come.
00:09:37.000 Why aren't they celebrities anymore?
00:09:39.000 Why is the striking dead the celebrities of America?
00:09:42.000 Well, it's hard to be fat in a celebrity.
00:09:47.000 I mean, one area that did get hit pretty hard was like right-wing radio talk show hosts.
00:09:57.000 That's one of those jobs you don't have to be on camera.
00:09:59.000 No, and I could say this, that in my profession, the waistline is far above the national average.
00:10:05.000 It takes, you think about it, we're constantly sitting on our tail, you know, talking.
00:10:10.000 It doesn't exactly require movement.
00:10:12.000 And, you know, the old expression, Steve, is, and I have a face for radio.
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00:11:27.000 So, Steve, what I'm getting at, and I'm struggling to word it.
00:11:31.000 It's been a very long month this week, is walk us through what it takes for a person to ignore the noticing and to embrace delusional ideology.
00:11:44.000 Because in some ways, that could capture the academic elite.
00:11:49.000 They refuse to notice and they live in a created synthetic world that is inconsistent with what is actually happening.
00:11:57.000 Please, your response, walk us through that, Steve Sailor.
00:12:00.000 Yeah, I mean, my finding is the true academic elite, researchers out on the cutting edge of findings in the human sciences, are really pretty good at discovering stuff, stuff that ties into daily life.
00:12:24.000 I'll give you a complicated anecdote, but way back in MBA school, in the early 80s, I was on a team in a class with a fellow who was extremely bright, extremely ambitious.
00:12:45.000 His goal was to make his fortune in outer space, which I said, well, yeah, I've read all those Robert Heinlein novels too.
00:12:55.000 That sounds great.
00:12:57.000 But I didn't actually believe he was going to be able to do it.
00:13:00.000 But he was also the most arrogant man in the entire program, which for a business school might be saying a lot.
00:13:09.000 All right.
00:13:10.000 I lost track of him after that.
00:13:12.000 He wasn't the most pleasant personality, but he could get things done, that's for sure.
00:13:17.000 Until about 2013, I'm reading the Washington Post an article about America's highest paid female CEO, which turns out to be this guy I'd gotten to know real well back in MBA school.
00:13:37.000 He now had decided he's a woman.
00:13:42.000 He's made his first fortune in satellite radio, which I realized I'd been sending him a check, $25 per month for years.
00:13:53.000 And then he made his second fortune.
00:13:55.000 And this is amazing when one of the many children he's fathered came down with some rare disease and he dropped what he was doing in outer space, studied the medical textbooks, and invented a cure from which he went on to make a second fortune.
00:14:17.000 So this is, he's a hero out of old-time 1950s science fiction, but he's also decided he's a woman.
00:14:26.000 And all right, so what I learned was that that's not a real uncommon pattern among the people, the X-Men, who announced that, well, I was always a girl on the inside.
00:14:42.000 I was just, I was assigned the wrong gender at birth.
00:14:46.000 I've always been super feminine on the inside.
00:14:49.000 If you take the ones who achieved prominence before they had this revelation and decided to transition, most of them are not at all feminine in any aspect.
00:15:00.000 They tend to be highly masculine, highly arrogant.
00:15:04.000 IIQ, one study found average IQ in the 120s, not real good people persons, kind of extremely high-functioning Asperger-y types, very self-motivated. 1.00
00:15:21.000 And so if you go around looking at celebrities who have decided that they're really women, oh, like the father of the newswoman Katie Tour, Bob Tour, who as chopper Bob became the most famous TV helicopter pilot in the country, covering OJ and the white Bronco and stuff like that. 0.98
00:15:45.000 Katie has published a memoir of her life with her father, who was a complete jerk. 0.60
00:15:52.000 And, you know, maybe, hopefully, gastration has made him a little less violent for the people in his life, but yeah, it still seems like he's not really calmed down that much. 0.96
00:16:06.000 You can go through a long list, these people, and they don't tend to be feminine.
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00:16:14.000 They're libertarian economists.
00:16:17.000 They're ex-Navy SEALs.
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00:17:23.000 Steve, sorry to cut you off.
00:17:24.000 Please finish your thought there.
00:17:26.000 The question is: what's the real story about all of these prominent transgender X-Men, like Bruce Jenner, for example, who have transitioned into still highly masculine, supposedly lesbian women?
00:17:47.000 Did they always assign the wrong gender at birth? 0.57
00:17:52.000 Nah.
00:17:53.000 This question was studied in depth about 30 years ago by a University of Toronto psychologist named Ray Blanchard.
00:18:01.000 And from hundreds of case studies, he discovered a common pattern.
00:18:07.000 This is a sex fetish. 0.94
00:18:09.000 It's basically something that happens to a certain number of boys when they get to puberty, and they start to dress up in their mother's lingerie and masturbate in front of the mirror, imagining themselves as the perfect woman, the idol of their sex drives. 0.98
00:18:30.000 Now, it's crazy, but here's the thing: it's out there, it's common. 0.94
00:18:37.000 Once you hear about this pattern, this sex fetish called autogynophilia, you'll see it all the time in these famous X-Men.
00:18:49.000 But the X-Men are also really good at getting the media to censor it.
00:18:55.000 In the history of the New York Times, the word autogynophilia has been published exactly twice since 1851.
00:19:06.000 Why?
00:19:08.000 The transgenders, the X-Men, they are extremely good and ruthless at crushing anybody who brings out the scientific truth about them. 1.00
00:19:20.000 I call them the SEAL Team Six of Cancel Culture. 0.96
00:19:24.000 So, now the big problem with this is there's all these teenage girls who are going through puberty. 0.71
00:19:31.000 They're feeling moody as adolescent girls do. 0.98
00:19:36.000 They feel like maybe they're not as pretty as the popular girls in the class.
00:19:42.000 And then they hear all this talk about gender assignment at birth going wrong and transitioning.
00:19:50.000 And suddenly they decide, yes, that's the cure for their moodiness.
00:19:55.000 They're actually boys. 1.00
00:19:56.000 They should have their breasts chopped off. 0.99
00:19:58.000 So we have this disaster over the last 10 years of rapid onset gender dysphoria among normal girls just going through adolescent moodiness, and it's ruining lives. 1.00
00:20:15.000 And nobody's telling them that all these famous guys who claim now to be women tend to be motivated by a rather comic sex fetish.
00:20:26.000 The media is covering it up completely, and it's just causing carnage, literally, in the lives of thousands of pretty normal girls who'd probably grow out of it in a few years.
00:20:43.000 So things like that happen when we don't have freedom to discuss what we see with our own lying eyes and what the human sciences are discovering.
00:20:55.000 So, yeah, and the human sciences basically should be in the business of noticing and then sharing what they've noticed.
00:21:02.000 I know that's an awful simplification to distill a huge body of work.
00:21:08.000 And your Twitter followers have more than doubled since Musk bought the site.
00:21:12.000 Do you think that the American population is more and more interested in the truth regardless of where it might lead?
00:21:20.000 And I'll give you an example, Steve.
00:21:23.000 I go on a campus and they're screaming at me about white supremacy.
00:21:26.000 And I say, do you realize that about 60%, about 57 to 60% dependent on the year, of all murders are done by 3% of the population, young black men, 60%. 0.96
00:21:38.000 And they say, I'm a racist.
00:21:39.000 And I say, no, I'm a noticer.
00:21:41.000 And it takes some courage to say that, not for me, but just in regular society.
00:21:46.000 Do you feel as if that regular Americans are more and more willing to embrace the data, the facts, reality, even if it might mean they might be called bad names?
00:21:56.000 Perhaps.
00:21:57.000 I've been doing this a long time, going back about 30 years.
00:22:02.000 And have things changed?
00:22:06.000 Generally, there's less freedom to state the bleeding obvious. 0.87
00:22:16.000 For example, in this decade, the crucial facts you needed to know to have an intelligent opinion on the, quote, racial reckoning brought about by George Floyd and the subsequent national nervous breakdown is, yeah, blacks tend to commit murder about 10 times as often per capita as whites. 0.56
00:22:46.000 And yeah, it's not just all explained by poverty and so forth.
00:22:52.000 The Harvard economist Rod Chetty did this massive study and discovered that, yeah, blacks who were raised in families with the same income as whites tend to be imprisoned when they're about 30 years old, three to 10 times as much as whites from exactly the same income level as filled in on their taxes.
00:23:21.000 Then there's lots of other things involving test scores.
00:23:25.000 We have this overwhelming demand to promote blacks to higher positions.
00:23:33.000 But if you look at the numbers, nobody knows where All these highly talented but unemployed blacks are. 1.00
00:23:42.000 So these have all been kind of a disaster for us in the 20s.
00:23:47.000 But are we supposed to talk about that?
00:23:51.000 To come out and say it that bluntly as I say it, to use Occam's razor to explain what's really going on about the major issues, that's not that popular.
00:24:03.000 You know, if I'm up over 100,000 followers on Twitter, that's mostly because until Elon Musk came along and Twitter had some sort of relationship with me, like, yeah, we're not going to let Sailor thrive, but we kind of like him and he does tell the truth.
00:24:24.000 So we're not going to get rid of him, but we'll just hold him back.
00:24:28.000 Musk's intervention could be a big deal.
00:24:31.000 We'll see.
00:24:33.000 But there is just a whole lot of momentum to get even more censorious, to cancel more people, to keep more facts out of the papers.
00:24:45.000 So we'll see.
00:24:46.000 So, Steve, how have you personally and professionally been treated the more that you have published this data?
00:24:54.000 I think this is important for our audience to realize, because in a time long gone, you were a National Review columnist, you know, and high society.
00:25:03.000 Do you believe that your profession has been more difficult or more challenging because of your discoveries and because of how blunt you present the data that you compile?
00:25:17.000 Yeah, I mean, I had a decision to make a long time ago in the 1990s, was, was I going to spend a lot of mental effort trying to soft soap what I was finding, or could I just devote that mental energy to finding more fascinating facts about how the world works, to notice ever more patterns?
00:25:47.000 And my brain really likes finding patterns and trying to come up with an elegant way to obfuscate the implications and make them sound so that only a few people will figure out what I'm talking about.
00:26:08.000 Yeah, that just didn't appeal to me.
00:26:12.000 Now, is that a good career move?
00:26:14.000 Probably not. 0.77
00:26:16.000 I probably should have developed these soft soap skills.
00:26:24.000 But that's just not who I am.
00:26:27.000 As David Foster Wallace said, in the end, you turn out to be who you are.
00:26:33.000 So I've had a fulfilling career.
00:26:38.000 I've accomplished a lot, a lot more than I ever expected to.
00:26:42.000 Did it make me as much money as it could have?
00:26:45.000 Nah, it's not, but there's more things than money.
00:26:48.000 Yes, there are.
00:26:49.000 There's your integrity.
00:26:51.000 So, Steve, what do you think is one of the most important patterns that is currently not in the mainstream zeitgeist in America that you find that is so glaring, civilizational defining, if you will, that people are not talking about or ignoring it?
00:27:07.000 I think I'm going to come back to the idea that, as I pointed out before, that when Black Lives Matter was decided that they were the moral arbiters of America, what they immediately got done was getting a whole lot of blacks killed. 0.98
00:27:28.000 I'm counting about 18,000 more blacks have died by homicide and car crash in the 2020s than if the late 2010s patterns had carried on.
00:27:43.000 18,000 more is just a huge number.
00:27:47.000 So here we are at the central obsession of domestic policy in recent years.
00:27:54.000 And it was a complete bloody catastrophe with 18,000 extra dead bodies.
00:28:02.000 And nobody really wants to talk about it or notice it.
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00:29:25.000 What books, literature, writers, sources do you recommend after many decades of doing this?
00:29:31.000 And I don't even use the words conservative, just living in reality.
00:29:33.000 Do you recommend that young people take seriously, that they study to try to become informed and to have a deeper understanding of the world?
00:29:42.000 I mean, my basic intellectual heritage goes back about 50 years to what was kind of like this forgotten era that I call first wave domestic neoconservatism,
00:30:01.000 which at that point didn't obsess that much over foreign policy, but tended to be founded by social scientists like Daniel Patrick Moynihan, James Q. Wilson, Andrew Greeley.
00:30:15.000 It took a very realistic dive into what's going on in America in the late 1960s.
00:30:23.000 So I think I'm still a descendant of that.
00:30:29.000 My idol, who's a direct line descendant of those great thinkers, is Charles Murray.
00:30:39.000 And I'd say, for example, on the topics we've been talking about, Charles's recent book, Two Truths Facing Reality About Crime and Intelligence in the United States, that came out a couple of years ago.
00:30:55.000 It's a short one, about 125 pages.
00:30:58.000 And it was written directly in response to the national craziness over the George Floyd racial reckoning.
00:31:08.000 And it lays out the facts and it kind of disappeared without making a ripple in the national pond because nobody in 2021 wanted to hear about that.
00:31:22.000 But it'll get you off to a good start.
00:31:25.000 That is excellent.
00:31:26.000 So, yeah, and Steve, you know, in closing here, what piece of work would you like our audience to be aware of that you're currently working on that is going to be published or that has been published that you want to make sure our audience can support or can get behind?
00:31:41.000 Well, I've got a couple of things going on.
00:31:43.000 One's an article on my native San Fernando Valley in, it's coming up in American Conservative magazine.
00:31:51.000 Looks into the question nobody's looked into before is like the San Fernando Valley, home to Lockheed, to a whole bunch of movie studios, was kind of the, we kind of won the Cold War through the hard power and the soft power of the United States.
00:32:09.000 The Valley nowadays is filling up with ex-Soviets, which kind of raises this interesting question. 0.98
00:32:15.000 Did we really win the Cold War?
00:32:18.000 No, that's that, you know what, Steve?
00:32:20.000 I hate to interject.
00:32:22.000 We might have defeated the instrument that the ideology was hosted in, but we actually, I think, ingested the virus that we were once fighting.
00:32:31.000 We're more like the Soviet Union than they were in the later stages.
00:32:34.000 Final thoughts, Steve?
00:32:35.000 We're running out of time.
00:32:36.000 Yeah, the other thing is I've got an anthology book coming out called Noticing in a Very Expensive, Luxury, First Hardback Edition This Year, a Reasonably Priced Paperback Next Year.
00:32:50.000 It's called Noticing the Essential Steve Saylor, 1973 to 2023.
00:32:57.000 You'll like it.
00:32:58.000 Check it out.
00:32:59.000 Steve, thank you so much for your time.
00:33:01.000 And we're going to keep on noticing.
00:33:02.000 You have to come back once your book is published.
00:33:05.000 Thanks very much.
00:33:05.000 Okay.
00:33:05.000 Very much.
00:33:06.000 Looking forward to it.
00:33:07.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:33:08.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:33:11.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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