The Charlie Kirk Show - The Death Penalty? Israel v. Hamas? Calm Under Fire? + More From USF Tabling

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00:01:15.000 Hi Charlie, my name is Cameron.

00:01:18.000 I wanted to talk to you a little bit about some contradictions that I heard in your arguments.

00:01:23.000 So on the topic of foster care, you mentioned earlier that you were in favor of cutting social welfare programs and that would include foster care because those people are dependent on it.

00:01:35.000 So I don't understand how you could be pro-life, I don't like the terminology of that, but you're pro-life, but then after the kids are born, you're advocating for less social protections for them.

00:01:47.000 So I don't remember, did I say I wanted to cut social welfare programs?

00:01:50.000 When did I say that?

00:01:52.000 When you said that people have an over-dependence on social welfare.

00:01:55.000 Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah, on social welfare, yeah, of course, yeah.

00:01:58.000 But foster care is a unique thing because these are kids that are not yet of the agenic age to be able to produce or get work. 0.85

00:02:04.000 So obviously there's a role for foster care system, but it's incredibly broken.

00:02:08.000 Let's be honest, the foster care system is one of the most broken, cruel, and unusual portions of our government.

00:02:12.000 So not necessarily a good one to be defending, but it should be completely blown up and reconstituted in a new form.

00:02:19.000 And I also think that foster care gets left behind in the whole argument because you're advocating for traditional family values, and that doesn't really include adopting a kid.

00:02:29.000 It includes having your own nuclear family.

00:02:30.000 No, it does.

00:02:31.000 Why would you say that?

00:02:32.000 Because so many foster kids are left behind.

00:02:35.000 That was just the point.

00:02:37.000 Well, hold on.

00:02:38.000 Them being left behind is a separate issue than adoption, right?

00:02:42.000 So, correct?

00:02:45.000 Because that's about child abandonment, not about people that want to adopt kids.

00:02:49.000 So let me just give you the numbers.

00:02:51.000 There are about a million abortions every year.

00:02:53.000 There are about 3 million people on the adoption waiting list.

00:02:57.000 So we can't adopt these kids fast enough out of the foster care system, right?

00:03:01.000 Yes. So why is it we can't adopt them?

00:03:05.000 I'm not sure the answer to that question.

00:03:07.000 You might say because we have a lack of families to adopt them.

00:03:10.000 No, no.

00:03:10.000 Actually, no.

00:03:11.000 We have a plenty.

00:03:11.000 It's just bureaucratic red tape, really.

00:03:13.000 It's incredibly hard to adopt a kid in America.

00:03:16.000 Incredibly hard.

00:03:18.000 Needlessly hard.

00:03:19.000 The second contradiction was about how you advocate for a limited government but think that the government should have the jurisdiction to kill someone.

00:03:28.000 Okay, well, I believe in a small but strong government and for the record, I believe that someone who took a life should have their life taken.

00:03:35.000 Under every circumstance?

00:03:37.000 Under most, yeah.

00:03:38.000 I think if you take a life, your life should be taken.

00:03:40.000 Okay. That was all I had.

00:03:42.000 But let me ask you a question.

00:03:43.000 What do you think would be a just punishment for a murder of an eight-year-old?

00:03:49.000 I would say lock them up and make them Pay for their mistakes in real time, but I understand that costs taxpayer money and everything, but I just am against the death penalty.

00:04:01.000 Okay, so is there any circumstance where you think the death penalty is okay?

00:04:05.000 Yes, I think that school shooters and mass murderers and crimes against humanity, like you said, but not eye for an eye nonsense.

00:04:14.000 Okay, so, but let me understand.

00:04:16.000 Why is it that if you kill ten people, Such a morally different thing than killing one person.

00:04:23.000 Because you're taking more lives, and I'm against the death penalty because again, you're taking another life. 0.99

00:04:28.000 It's like you're being hypocritical. 0.99

00:04:30.000 Well, hold on. 0.94

00:04:30.000 You're against it in some circumstances. 0.94

00:04:32.000 You said school shooters, so there is a threshold where you're okay with it.

00:04:35.000 I want to know by what moral standard you say it's okay, not okay, and where do you get that from?

00:04:42.000 That has been studied and tried, and I'm just a kid.

00:04:46.000 I just want to know why you believe it, though.

00:04:52.000 Because... I'm not trying to put you on the spot, be nice guys, seriously.

00:04:54.000 Thanks, thanks.

00:04:55.000 Because I think that there's definitely degrees of evilness and I just don't believe in an eye for an eye, like a direct proportion, killing because they killed someone.

00:05:03.000 I know that sounds good, but isn't that what justice should be?

00:05:08.000 Justice is the administration of what is due.

00:05:10.000 You should get what you have done received in return.

00:05:13.000 Not more, not less.

00:05:15.000 I think an institution should never be able to make decisions that influence life or death things.

00:05:21.000 Like, the government is not a person with feelings or morals.

00:05:24.000 It's an institution comprised of people that can be corrupt.

00:05:27.000 So depending on what the law is and everything, then the justice would mirror what the government's saying.

00:05:31.000 I'm gonna be gentle, because I can see you're a nice person, okay?

00:05:36.000 However, let me just kind of tell you why I think you're wrong.

00:05:38.000 Is that okay?

00:05:39.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:05:39.000 Okay, so Everything the government does is a statement of some morality, right?

00:05:44.000 If you lock up somebody in prison, that is taking away their freedom or liberty.

00:05:49.000 So you have to make at some point, you have to say, I am appealing to some objective standard as to why I think the government should do what it does.

00:05:57.000 And we have an answer to that question, right?

00:06:00.000 I just want to know by what standard you think the government should be able to do that it does or does not do.

00:06:05.000 Because the government does take life.

00:06:07.000 And the government should be able to take life very sparingly and rarely through a jury of your peers and you're proven, you know, proven guilty and all sorts of these different elements.

00:06:17.000 And you believe that even with mass shooters.

00:06:19.000 So there is a degree to of which you think that justice is due.

00:06:22.000 So the question is that this is a very important point that you stumbled into.

00:06:25.000 We as conservatives try to strive for blind justice.

00:06:30.000 Those on the left will argue for social justice.

00:06:34.000 Is that a fair categorization?

00:06:35.000 Yes. Social justice is saying no, you should not be given what you are due, you should be given more or extra based on some sort of group criteria, some sort of background, some sort of suffering.

00:06:47.000 We as conservatives believe in the ideal that you shall not favor the administrative justice just because of your skin color, background, wealth, so on and so forth.

00:06:57.000 Does that make sense?

00:06:57.000 Yes, I agree.

00:06:58.000 At least the differences of opinions.

00:06:59.000 Yes. Okay, thanks for having me.

00:07:00.000 Thank you for your time.

00:07:01.000 Appreciate it.

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00:08:18.000 Hey, good afternoon.

00:08:22.000 Hey, good afternoon.

00:08:23.000 How are you?

00:08:25.000 I just wanted to get your opinion on the funding of AIPAC and the alleged buying out of the U.S. Congress, especially with everything going on overseas and the highly criticized and debated, like, two-party state between Israel and the Palestinian people.

00:08:41.000 My opinion of AIPAC?

00:08:43.000 How would you curb or resolve the issue?

00:08:45.000 Not just AIPAC, we have our own domestic issues, but they're coming in and earning 28 billion dollars for their donation of 43 and a half to the US Congress.

00:08:55.000 So our foreign, like our proxies and our donations to Ukraine and the state of Israel.

00:09:01.000 So how would I curb that?

00:09:03.000 I mean, well, look, understand, AIPAC is constituted of Americans that are advocating for a foreign policy thing they care about.

00:09:10.000 And it's a very dangerous road to be on.

00:09:14.000 There are groups of Armenians that advocate for the recognition of the Armenian genocide.

00:09:19.000 There are groups of American Indians that recognize for better relations with India.

00:09:24.000 And it just so happens there are a lot of American Jews that argue for a very strong relationship with Israel.

00:09:31.000 So can I better understand the question?

00:09:38.000 And like the Apollo Affair and Levant Affair and the Gulf Wars and the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

00:09:44.000 Okay, there's a lot there.

00:09:45.000 So what...

00:09:46.000 How do I think of Israel as an ally?

00:09:48.000 Is that what you're asking?

00:09:49.000 As America using it as a proxy to keep a chokehold on the Middle East. 0.63

00:09:54.000 Well, I kind of reject the premise of that.

00:09:56.000 I mean, I'm very pro-Israel.

00:09:57.000 I don't think they're perfect.

00:09:58.000 I think they do a lot that I wouldn't do and that I don't support.

00:10:01.000 But I don't know...

00:10:02.000 I would...

00:10:03.000 I would better argue that America, that Israel is a complicated ally of the United States, but very necessary in the Middle East.

00:10:09.000 Yes. And why so?

00:10:11.000 For many reasons.

00:10:12.000 For military technology sharing, for data sharing, for also they're a free society in an island of totalitarianism.

00:10:18.000 Yeah. So, a western power based on imperialism and imperialistic tendencies?

00:10:24.000 Not necessarily.

00:10:25.000 No, I mean, they're their own sovereign country with their own elections, their own country, right?

00:10:29.000 Do you think Israel has a right to exist? 1.00

00:10:32.000 I do, and I believe in a two-party solution, but I don't believe...

00:10:35.000 A two-state solution.

00:10:36.000 I'm sorry, a two-state solution.

00:10:37.000 But I don't believe in the genocide and displacement of 1.7 million Palestinian people, because if you advocate for life, you advocate for all life around the world.

00:10:44.000 Okay, so let's make sure we get our terms right.

00:10:47.000 I don't want to spend too much time on this, but what is a genocide?

00:10:50.000 Mass killing of people.

00:10:52.000 And a targeted mass killing of people. 0.76

00:10:55.000 Is that what Israel is doing? 0.81

00:10:56.000 Yes, most definitely.

00:10:57.000 How? So you're telling me...

00:10:59.000 Hold on, let's get back.

00:11:01.000 Did Hamas then commit a genocide on October 7th?

00:11:05.000 Yeah, yeah, okay, let me get there.

00:11:07.000 So both sides are committing genocide?

00:11:10.000 Since 48, we have the Partition Plan of 1947, we have the Transfer Agreement of 1933, there's so much that built up to it.

00:11:18.000 The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

00:11:19.000 It's a long history. 0.85

00:11:19.000 It's justified to go into nurseries and slit babies' throats. 0.85

00:11:22.000 No, they didn't do that.

00:11:23.000 Where's your evidence?

00:11:23.000 Oh, no, no, they did.

00:11:24.000 Okay, okay.

00:11:25.000 No, hold on, time out.

00:11:25.000 If you want to go to crimes, then I can pull up a list of 200 crime nurseries.

00:11:28.000 Where's the evidence?

00:11:28.000 I can show you GoPro footage.

00:11:30.000 I'll show you footage of it.

00:11:31.000 Hold on a second.

00:11:32.000 GoPro footage of hours uninterrupted of Hamas terrorists wearing GoPros slitting little babies' throats, going into rock concerts, and in distress.

00:11:44.000 No, I'm glad you said yes.

00:12:03.000 Yes, the right to bear arms, the right not to have soldiers quartered, and the right to privacy.

00:12:08.000 We can keep going.

00:12:09.000 So as Israel has been violating those for nearly the course of a hundred years, how would you feel if you invite someone into your home and you let them stay as a guest when they were oppressed?

00:12:18.000 Well, hold on a sec.

00:12:19.000 So, first of all, the Second Amendment is not applicable outside of the shores of the United States.

00:12:25.000 So, not sure where you're going with that.

00:12:27.000 But I want to make sure I'm clear.

00:12:28.000 Let me just have you answer this final question.

00:12:32.000 A foreign power commits genocide against you, as you admit Hamas did. 0.82

00:12:35.000 How should Israel respond?

00:12:37.000 By, okay.

00:12:39.000 No, but so-- How should Israel respond?

00:12:43.000 Genocide is committed again.

00:12:44.000 They're allowed to defend themselves most definitely, but not to the extent they have done.

00:12:47.000 It's killing 65,000 people for 1,200 and bombing civilian areas.

00:12:52.000 70% of their casualties are women and children in the average age of a child.

00:12:55.000 And God is 18 years old.

00:12:57.000 So first of all...

00:12:58.000 Where are we drawing the line in the shade of grey between black and white?

00:13:02.000 Who's right, who's wrong, we don't know.

00:13:04.000 Well, who started it?

00:13:05.000 Israel, most definitely.

00:13:06.000 Hold on.

00:13:07.000 The Arab-Israeli war.

00:13:08.000 Hold on a second.

00:13:09.000 Time out.

00:13:10.000 On October 6th, the day before, was there an act of war?

00:13:14.000 Yes, prior.

00:13:15.000 Why do you think there's a group of resistance living there when resistance happens?

00:13:19.000 Okay, no, I can...

00:13:21.000 So I just wanna make sure I understand the argument that this has been a bubbling up conflict since the 1950s.

00:13:27.000 Most definitely.

00:13:27.000 It has been prior to the 50s.

00:13:28.000 Let me ask you, let me answer your question.

00:13:30.000 Israel got out of Gaza Yes. 0.91

00:13:33.000 Yes. But if they're still ruling over...

00:13:37.000 Because Israel is holding their materials and their rights... 0.97

00:13:45.000 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:13:48.000 Will you let me ask something?

00:13:49.000 Don't speak over me, please.

00:13:50.000 Will you let me ask something?

00:13:53.000 No, I'm not saying...

00:13:56.000 I'm saying there's wrong on both sides most definitely, but more on the side of Israel. 1.00

00:14:02.000 It's unsanctioned and unreasoned to go and kill that many people for no reason. 0.88

00:14:05.000 What number would be satisfactory to kill after they go and kill 1,200 people?

00:14:09.000 Give me the equation. 0.97

00:14:10.000 I want to make sure I understand.

00:14:11.000 Okay, you believe in an eye for an eye, right?

00:14:13.000 Generally, but I just want to know the equation, though.

00:14:15.000 So, this is politics.

00:14:17.000 They can negotiate, we can release prisoners, we can embargo them.

00:14:19.000 Which they are.

00:14:20.000 Okay, yeah, as going on with the ceasefire.

00:14:21.000 And you admit Hamas uses civilians as human shields?

00:14:24.000 Absolutely not.

00:14:25.000 I believe Israel does, and I have video footage of it.

00:14:32.000 It's difficult to debate if you're just on a completely different fact pattern.

00:14:36.000 I will give you readings and videos.

00:14:39.000 I see videos every day.

00:14:40.000 I have family there.

00:14:41.000 I see them literally get torn and ripped to shreds by Israeli missiles and them killing kids and animals in the street and fun and laughing and they post their own war crimes. 0.84

00:14:49.000 None of those missiles were being launched prior to October 7th.

00:14:54.000 A soldier, me versus you, if you're walking in the street with your family and I shoot you and post it on TikTok and laugh.

00:14:59.000 Is that not a war crime? 0.97

00:15:00.000 That's what Hamas did. 0.95

00:15:01.000 No, that's what Israel is doing.

00:15:02.000 I will not defend everything that every soldier has done.

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00:16:10.000 If Israel laid down all of their weapons and said our military is no more, what would happen?

00:16:16.000 At this point in time, I don't believe they would come to a two-state solution after everything that's gone on.

00:16:21.000 No, that wasn't the question.

00:16:23.000 If Israel disbanded its military, what would happen?

00:16:27.000 The Palestinians would take over, but they would lend to Jews. 1.00

00:16:30.000 Listen, listen, listen.

00:16:32.000 Not forcefully.

00:16:33.000 This is how they operate.

00:16:35.000 This is how Muslims operate islamically. 0.99

00:16:37.000 They let them live under them in Jizya. 0.86

00:16:39.000 They tax them and they let them live and they take that tax and give it back to them.

00:16:43.000 How do you think the Ottoman Empire worked in the last 600 years?

00:16:46.000 How do you think the Golden Age of Islam lasted for 300 years?

00:16:50.000 Because this is history.

00:16:53.000 I just want to make sure I understand.

00:16:55.000 So they would just take over mostly peacefully?

00:16:58.000 No, most definitely peacefully because that's what their race is.

00:17:00.000 Can you show me an example of Jews living peacefully under Islamic rule?

00:17:05.000 Most definitely.

00:17:06.000 Where? When Hamas had Israeli captives.

00:17:10.000 The Israeli captives they kill? 0.89

00:17:13.000 There was a nine-month-old baby that just got returned home as a corpse by Hamas.

00:17:19.000 I am interested by what you're saying.

00:17:22.000 Again, this is why it's important on this topic to stay on the moral domain, because all of your numbers are wrong.

00:17:28.000 65,000 kids have not died.

00:17:30.000 I didn't say 65,000 kids.

00:17:31.000 I said 65,000 Palestinians, and 1.7 million have been displaced, creating one of the largest refugee pockets.

00:17:36.000 Again, none of that is correct.

00:17:38.000 And that's okay.

00:17:38.000 It's fraction.

00:17:39.000 I don't believe any of the numbers.

00:17:40.000 However, the point is this.

00:17:41.000 If Israel laid down its weapons, they would be eliminated.

00:17:45.000 No, they would not.

00:17:46.000 You just admitted they would take over Israel. 0.85

00:17:48.000 If Hamas laid down their weapons, we would have peace. 0.97

00:17:52.000 Most definitely not.

00:17:53.000 The Israelis would keep doing what they have been doing. 1.00

00:17:57.000 They have the right to resistance.

00:17:59.000 They have a ceasefire currently, but prior to that.

00:18:02.000 When anyone else in the world...

00:18:07.000 The emotions of this topic are very high.

00:18:10.000 Obviously, my allegiance is first and foremost to America.

00:18:12.000 I'm interested in it just from a moral standpoint, though, which is, why is it, help me understand, there are well over 40 Muslim-majority countries in the world, over a billion Muslims.

00:18:23.000 Israel is the size of New Jersey, and it has half the world's Jewry, about 7 million people.

00:18:29.000 Why can't you just let Israel exist and leave it alone? 1.00

00:18:34.000 Why the focus?

00:18:35.000 Why the intensity?

00:18:36.000 Why the anger?

00:18:38.000 There's no anger.

00:18:40.000 There's no anger?

00:18:40.000 Not from me.

00:18:42.000 I'm talking about maybe other people.

00:18:44.000 I don't hate anyone.

00:18:45.000 I'm not displeased with anyone.

00:18:46.000 But I don't believe in the unnecessary killing of people.

00:18:48.000 That's not how we were raised.

00:18:50.000 I agree.

00:18:50.000 That's an American value and a conservative value.

00:18:52.000 I agree.

00:18:52.000 That's why I think October 7th was the beginning of But what do you think about all that spilling over prior?

00:19:01.000 It's the same with the American Revolution.

00:19:02.000 I reject the premise.

00:19:03.000 You reject the premise? 0.95

00:19:05.000 To say that they had no choice but to go and kill a bunch of babies, let me actually challenge the point.

00:19:10.000 If you were correct and Hamas was trying to resist, why didn't they go attack military targets and instead they attacked civilian targets?

00:19:20.000 That's what terrorists do, right?

00:19:25.000 If it was really like, hey, they wanted to resist, they should have went after IDF outposts and picked a fight with somebody their own size.

00:19:31.000 They went after...

00:19:33.000 Little kids in nurseries, in kibbutzes. 0.72

00:19:36.000 And I think you have a moral right.

00:19:37.000 Hold on.

00:19:38.000 You're very well read on this topic.

00:19:39.000 You have family there.

00:19:40.000 I think you have a moral obligation to watch the GoPro videos.

00:19:43.000 They're public.

00:19:44.000 I do.

00:19:44.000 I've seen.

00:19:45.000 I will show you footage every day coming out of Gaza.

00:19:48.000 I've seen what you've seen.

00:19:49.000 I will show you everything.

00:19:50.000 No, I don't believe you've seen what I've seen because then you wouldn't talk this way.

00:19:53.000 No, no.

00:19:53.000 I've seen what you've seen.

00:19:54.000 I want you to look at the guys that for three hours straight were watching GoPro videos, laughing, putting babies in ovens.

00:20:01.000 Okay, show it to me or send me the link.

00:20:03.000 I'm happy to.

00:20:03.000 And the fact you don't even know it exists is very telling.

00:20:06.000 Because that's why Israel has become so aggressive in return. 0.99

00:20:10.000 And understand the background.

00:20:11.000 Yes. Is that the Jewish people have still not repopulated themselves to the pre-Nazi Holocaust levels. 0.61

00:20:19.000 How many people do you think died in the Holocaust?

00:20:20.000 How many people do you think died in the Holocaust?

00:20:22.000 I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

00:20:24.000 I get so many different options.

00:20:25.000 7 to 8 million is usually the number?

00:20:27.000 They say 7 to 8 million, I've seen 6, I've seen 2, I've seen 3. Okay, so what number do you believe?

00:20:31.000 And why does it matter?

00:20:32.000 Did I live back then?

00:20:33.000 That's 1940, 1930s to 40s.

00:20:35.000 Does it matter?

00:20:37.000 No, I mean, regardless, it's a massive killing of them.

00:20:40.000 Is the Holocaust real? 0.97

00:20:42.000 Yeah, of course the Holocaust is real. 0.94

00:20:43.000 Then it shouldn't matter.

00:20:43.000 But how can you say they haven't repopulated to those times?

00:20:46.000 How do you know?

00:20:47.000 Is there a record of the death?

00:20:49.000 Yeah, there is a record of the death, and so we know how many Jews that there were in the country and in Europe, and they have not yet been able to repopulate to those same equivalent numbers coming back. 0.96

00:20:59.000 So, look, I think we don't agree on anything, and that's okay.

00:21:03.000 I would love to see an end to the killing.

00:21:05.000 However, there needs to be three...

00:21:07.000 Let me ask you my three-part question, okay?

00:21:09.000 Do you believe anti-Semitism is real, wrong, and evil?

00:21:13.000 I believe it is wrong, and I believe it exists, and I believe it's evil, yes.

00:21:16.000 Okay, good.

00:21:16.000 And Israel is right to exist.

00:21:18.000 It's a super easy three-point question.

00:21:19.000 Let me pause right there and ask you, what defines a semi?

00:21:23.000 A semi?

00:21:23.000 And when did the term come about?

00:21:25.000 Well, a semi comes from somebody from the Samaritan region, right?

00:21:29.000 Yes, Semitic peoples which consist of...

00:21:31.000 Right, I could have finished the, you know, answer.

00:21:34.000 But yes, from the Samaritan region, that is a term that has largely been popularized in the last 1500.

00:21:41.000 So let me, let me be more specific.

00:21:42.000 Anti-Jewish hatred.

00:21:44.000 Is that fair?

00:21:45.000 Yes. That's evil, wrong.

00:21:47.000 Yes. Okay.

00:21:47.000 Israel has a right to exist.

00:21:49.000 Yes. Yes.

00:21:49.000 Okay, good.

00:21:50.000 And that since we posit that Israel has a right to exist, that we need to come up with some solution where all people can live peacefully in the region.

00:21:59.000 Okay. Or a one-state solution.

00:22:01.000 Or a three-state solution, right?

00:22:02.000 Well, okay, then why can't they, if it's a one-state solution, why can't they live under the Palestinians peacefully? 0.85

00:22:06.000 Like they did previously.

00:22:09.000 I don't want to speak on behalf of Israel, but if a group of people go and murder 1,200 of your own people for no reason, I don't think I'm going to give them the keys to Jerusalem.

00:22:18.000 Okay. That's fine.

00:22:19.000 Thank you so much.

00:22:19.000 I appreciate your time.

00:22:20.000 Thank you.

00:22:22.000 Thank you.

00:22:23.000 Disagreements welcome, guys.

00:22:24.000 Thank you very much.

00:22:25.000 Hello. Hi, my name is Kyle Voling.

00:22:31.000 I'm a senior here at the University of South Florida.

00:22:35.000 Guys, please show respect to everyone asking a question, okay?

00:22:38.000 Thank you very much.

00:22:39.000 I'm a senior at the ASL interpreting program here at USF, and I bring this up because you had made the claim back in January during the Los Angeles Fires.

00:22:48.000 I totally stand by this, by the way.

00:22:49.000 Yeah, during the Los Angeles fires that ASL interpreters on screen were distracting and unnecessary.

00:22:55.000 I'd like to start off with what your perspective of ASL is because a lot of people have ranges and some people may be inaccurate on what that belief is.

00:23:01.000 I just mean the sign language interpreters during the Disaster proclamations that didn't exist when I was a kid and for whatever reason I have to look at them and it distracts me when I'm trying to hear what the person has to say.

00:23:11.000 Okay, so a lot of people who are unaware of what American Sign Language is thinks it's that it's word-for-word exact English.

00:23:18.000 In most cases, it's not.

00:23:20.000 So it's a completely different form of a language, like any person who speaks Spanish or English.

00:23:25.000 And I bring this up because...

00:23:27.000 there was an estimate about 10 people who had died in the Los Angeles fire.

00:23:31.000 And the claims and the rhetoric that you had used, that ASL interpreters were useless and unimportant, could have led those people to remain living in the environment that they were in.

00:23:40.000 They had ASL interpreters, so it didn't save their life.

00:23:42.000 Okay, but...

00:23:43.000 Let's just say if they weren't able to.

00:23:45.000 No, hold on a second.

00:23:46.000 Your argument is not founded because every California broadcast requires ASL interpreters.

00:23:50.000 So how could it have saved their life if it already existed?

00:23:53.000 Okay, fair point.

00:23:54.000 I understand that.

00:23:56.000 But then I just...

00:23:57.000 Am I unable to agree with Charlie?

00:23:59.000 It's fine.

00:24:00.000 Let me just...

00:24:01.000 I'm curious.

00:24:02.000 Why can't people who are deaf just read closed captions? 1.00

00:24:05.000 Yes. So I have that written down.

00:24:07.000 Closed captions.

00:24:08.000 Closed captions is exact word-for-word order.

00:24:11.000 ASL and English are not the exact same language.

00:24:13.000 People who have no exposure to what English is and grew up in a generationally deaf family only know American Sign Language.

00:24:20.000 The same way that somebody who was from Mexico and they only spoke Spanish, or any country for that instance, would only know the language they spoke at home.

00:24:28.000 So having that access...

00:24:29.000 But the disaster briefings are only in English.

00:24:32.000 But ASL provides that access to other people the same way that Spanish interpreters on screen and others...

00:24:37.000 Hold on, you can do closed captions in Spanish too.

00:24:39.000 They can, correct.

00:24:40.000 But ASL, you...

00:24:42.000 ASL interpreters on screen is the exact same thing as closed captions.

00:24:45.000 Closed captions on the screen is for hearing people who are unable to hear.

00:24:49.000 It is a small portion of the population.

00:24:51.000 And I agree.

00:24:52.000 It's obviously unnecessary.

00:24:53.000 And it's kind of in your face of this nonstop virtue signaling thing.

00:24:57.000 So are you saying that deaf people are unimportant to our society?

00:25:06.000 Because that's the rhetoric that you're saying, that ASL interpreters on screen are unimportant to the deaf community.

00:25:11.000 No, I think you can go back to how things were under Katrina, or you just read closed captions.

00:25:16.000 As I'm saying, ASL has a completely different linguistic and cultural background.

00:25:20.000 Can you give me evidence it saved lives?

00:25:22.000 I'm sure I could find plenty, but right now I don't have any.

00:25:26.000 My deaf ASL professor has no problem.

00:25:30.000 She actually preferred closed captions.

00:25:31.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:25:33.000 ASL is a complete range of a language, but completely blocking out ASL interpreters and saying that our work is completely useless is very, like, unempowering to the field that we're going into.

00:25:43.000 And we're very lucky here at USF to have the only face-to-face program that offers ASL interpreting.

00:25:49.000 The only other college here in Florida is University of North Florida, which is all online.

00:25:55.000 Okay, so let me just make sure I understand.

00:25:58.000 Should, and I don't know the answer to this, but do you think that In how we do broadcasts or whatever, we should have, like, pandering subsets to every single portion of minority populations.

00:26:08.000 Like, for example, like, should we just say, we're not going to do the broadcasts with audio anymore because of hearing-sensitive people that don't like...

00:26:15.000 I mean, we can get to some extremes here.

00:26:18.000 So are you more against having access to people who are unaware of English?

00:26:21.000 Let me tell you what I'm against.

00:26:22.000 I'm against changing what has worked to try and accommodate Very small portion of the population that have outsized ability to complain for no reason whatsoever.

00:26:32.000 And that has wide-ranging civilizational implications.

00:26:36.000 I think closed captions have worked.

00:26:37.000 They do work.

00:26:38.000 And by the way, you know the amount of deaf people that reach out to me saying ASL is a racket and that closed captioning?

00:26:42.000 I mean, I opened like this huge fight.

00:26:43.000 The ASL Association came after me like this whole thing.

00:26:46.000 I love all people.

00:26:47.000 Some of my best friends are deaf.

00:26:48.000 And it's not about that.

00:26:50.000 It's a broader question of Where are we ever going to draw the line as a country that maybe this pandering has gone too far?

00:26:56.000 And so I'm more concerned because ASL, the first word is American.

00:27:00.000 What is so awful about that that's providing access that you're so against?

00:27:03.000 Having it on the screen is hardly a distraction. 0.98

00:27:05.000 Again, you can kind of tell I'm being, I'm pushing the boundaries intentionally, because I think that if somebody doesn't say this is silly and stupid, nobody will. 0.95

00:27:12.000 I mean, at some point you get to the place where you have to say, no, what is the purpose of this? 0.98

00:27:17.000 Why does this exist?

00:27:18.000 Because ASL interpreters have only like, Truly been around since the 1960s after the ADA had made them a point to have them.

00:27:27.000 Honestly, God bless you for wanting to serve people that are not able to hear.

00:27:30.000 I think that's really admirable.

00:27:31.000 I think that's great.

00:27:32.000 Whether or not it's part of a mandated emergency broadcast is a completely different issue.

00:27:36.000 I wish you well.

00:27:37.000 Thank you for your comments.

00:27:38.000 Thank you.

00:27:41.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:28:44.000 I feel like my question is kind of silly after a couple others who have been up here.

00:28:49.000 But I just wanted to know because You know, I wrote a lot in college about how campuses are not designed for the nuclear family, and it kind of caused some waves at my university because I was on the newspaper there.

00:29:04.000 And so now, later, post-college, you know, I've thought about doing podcasting and talking with people, but I found it very difficult sometimes to remain calm in a debate.

00:29:16.000 So, how do you remain so calm when someone who is dissenting, or even the crowd, gets obviously heated?

00:29:29.000 I will say, look, I naturally do not have a lot of self-control, but I believe it's a fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and of course, the last one, self-control.

00:29:43.000 I believe that those of us that are Christians should invite the Holy Spirit into our life on a daily basis, and that is a fruit of the Spirit.

00:29:52.000 The best answer I have.

00:29:54.000 God bless you.

00:29:55.000 Thank you.

00:29:57.000 I want to invite disagreement from students in particular, okay?

00:30:00.000 So, we'll get to you, don't worry.

00:30:02.000 Let's let this young man come and then we'll go there.

00:30:04.000 Yes. Is that a Mises pin? 0.71

00:30:06.000 Yes, it is.

00:30:07.000 Oh my gosh.

00:30:07.000 Ludwig von Mises.

00:30:08.000 I really appreciate what you said about education.

00:30:11.000 We shouldn't be specialized, you know.

00:30:12.000 We should be learning philosophy and the ancients and so on.

00:30:15.000 And it makes me really sad.

00:30:16.000 I'm about to disagree with you here. 0.91

00:30:18.000 Do losers deserve property rights? 0.99

00:30:20.000 And losers, I mean the Palestinians. 1.00

00:30:22.000 I mean, do they deserve life? 0.99

00:30:24.000 Do they deserve to, you know, have their own associations and, you know, voluntary associations set up?

00:30:30.000 So on.

00:30:30.000 We're appealing to objective standard.

00:30:32.000 Why can't we have that for them as well?

00:30:34.000 Great question.

00:30:35.000 Let me just pause and say, guys, I have a rule that I will not do a topic more than twice.

00:30:40.000 This is the last time on Israel, okay?

00:30:42.000 And just if you guys know if people are fired up.

00:30:44.000 I'm happy to talk about it, but this is not the Charlie Kirk Israel hour.

00:30:47.000 So is that cool?

00:30:48.000 So this is the last time, and then we'll – otherwise this only becomes singular topic-focused.

00:30:52.000 I'm sorry.

00:30:52.000 No, no, no.

00:30:53.000 Don't apologize.

00:30:54.000 It's fine. 0.89

00:30:54.000 So you're asking, do losers get property rights? 0.89

00:30:57.000 Well, let me just kind of – Push back.

00:31:00.000 There has been self-governing autonomy of Gaza since early 2006.

00:31:05.000 The West Bank is largely self-autonomous and has sovereignty, so they do have property rights.

00:31:11.000 What they've done with those property rights has been pretty lackluster.

00:31:15.000 It's become basically a hellish place to live, unfortunately.

00:31:19.000 Yeah, I would only disagree and say that Hamas is the ones who've been ruling the place, right? 0.96

00:31:25.000 And they aren't, you know, actually protecting the, you know, property rights of the Gazans and so on.

00:31:30.000 Totally. They're just another gang, right?

00:31:31.000 And I'm completely in agreeance with you of getting rid of that gang, right?

00:31:35.000 But then what about those Palestinians? 1.00

00:31:37.000 Can they come back to that land?

00:31:38.000 Can they live there?

00:31:39.000 Can they, you know, have voluntary associates there?

00:31:43.000 I would love to say yes.

00:31:45.000 Let me tell you my biggest issue.

00:31:47.000 And you might agree or disagree.

00:31:48.000 The first issue is this, is that Hamas was democratically elected.

00:31:54.000 There is support for Hamas within the people of Gaza.

00:31:57.000 Now, I don't trust these polls where they say, and this is even from some of the pro-Israel voices, they say, oh, you know, Hamas is supported by a lot of people.

00:32:05.000 I look at a singular piece of evidence, which is when the Hamas terrorists did what they did in October 7th, they were greeted with widespread parade and celebrations in the streets of Gaza. 0.70

00:32:16.000 That's troubling.

00:32:17.000 That's troubling.

00:32:18.000 So, the biggest problem is, is Islam in its current form? 1.00

00:32:23.000 Can Islam in its current form foster a free society? 1.00

00:32:26.000 And that's a question, because in the implementation of Mohammedan Islamic Jihadism, will they respect the elements of a free society? 0.69

00:32:36.000 And we don't have a lot of evidence to suggest yes.

00:32:40.000 Okay, sure, but the reason why I think it's important to reinstate that, you know, the Palestinians should live in that land, and it's theirs, right?

00:32:47.000 And they shouldn't be relocated to Jordan or any other Arab country.

00:32:51.000 It's because, ethnically, that's where their family came from, right?

00:32:54.000 That's where their lineage comes from.

00:32:56.000 And so it would seem disingenuous to say that, well, if Trump came in and basically re-bombed the area and got rid of all of them, moved them all out, developed the land, and just put Jews back into place, that doesn't seem proper and right. 0.71

00:33:11.000 I mean, I'm fine with Israel controlling the whole area, but why can't Palestinians themselves live in those areas?

00:33:17.000 I mean, it doesn't seem like – They do and they probably end up will.

00:33:21.000 This idea of them moving in and out is logistically so impossible I can't even wrap my head around it.

00:33:25.000 What I will say, though, is that this is the more complicated – and I don't want to get into this – is like whose land is it?

00:33:35.000 Those are much more complicated questions.

00:33:37.000 For basically as long as there has been a Judean Samaria, it has been the nations of Israel for about 3,000 years, there have been Jews in those regions.

00:33:45.000 What is a Palestinian is a much more complicated question because that is actually a new term.

00:33:51.000 So is a Palestinian an Arab? 0.85

00:33:53.000 Is it a Muslim? 0.58

00:33:54.000 Is it someone from Jordan?

00:33:55.000 Is it someone from Syria?

00:33:57.000 Is it someone from...

00:33:59.000 It's the current people group living in Palestine. 0.65

00:34:01.000 That is the best answer, right?

00:34:03.000 Well, again, what is Palestine is another question.

00:34:05.000 I actually believe in people's right to self-determination, that if you say you are a people, you become a people.

00:34:10.000 I believe in that.

00:34:11.000 However, their claim is on an ethnic one, so they're inviting the criticism, if that makes sense.

00:34:16.000 Sure. I mean, and I would only push back and say that the, you know, most of the Jews who are living there now, most of them came from Eastern Europe, from Tammuz, Herzl, and Jabhat al-Din.

00:34:24.000 Of course, but they don't live in Gaza.

00:34:26.000 Sure, sure, but they live in a part of Israel that wasn't originally theirs.

00:34:30.000 And they bought some of the land from, you know, the Turkish and so on, but they didn't buy all that land.

00:34:35.000 They definitely invaded and conquered it. 0.51

00:34:37.000 Yeah, and again, I don't want to go too deep in this, but the parts that were questionably Israel's have been largely given back.

00:34:44.000 The Sinai, in particular, was given back to Egypt.

00:34:47.000 There were lots of land for peace deals, and that almost never works.

00:34:50.000 You seem very reasonable.

00:34:52.000 Here's what bothers me, is I've dealt With a lot.

00:34:55.000 And I've got to know, as you can tell, the previous young man that was up here, with a lot of people from this region that are wicked smart.

00:35:01.000 I think they deserve better than living under a radical Islamic totalitarian government. 1.00

00:35:07.000 And I want to try to see them get closer to a free society.

00:35:10.000 And I don't think under current Islam that's possible. 1.00

00:35:13.000 Sure. Thank you.

00:35:14.000 I appreciate it.

00:35:15.000 Thank you.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 01, 2025

The Death Penalty? Israel v. Hamas? Calm Under Fire? + More From USF Tabling

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