The Charlie Kirk Show - The Decline and Fall of the FBI with Thomas J. Baker

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00:01:31.000 Joining us now is Thomas J. Baker, author of the excellent book, The Fall of the FBI, how a once great agency became a threat to democracy.

00:01:41.000 Mr. Baker, welcome to the program.

00:01:42.000 Tell us about your book.

00:01:44.000 Well, the book I try to treat in the book, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

00:01:48.000 And so I begin off with talking about the FBI, what it was that people remember, some exciting cases, some historical cases.

00:01:56.000 And then I go into the bad, some injustice I've seen, and then the ugly, which is the events of the last three, four, or five years.

00:02:05.000 So tell us about some of the specifics of it.

00:02:08.000 Tell us some of the bad and the ugly.

00:02:10.000 The good we can maybe get to later, but the bad and the ugly interest me the most.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, I don't want to, I didn't want to be too much of a downer, so I did put that good stuff in there.

00:02:19.000 And the good stuff reflects to the present ugly.

00:02:22.000 For instance, in the past, the emphasis with the special agents and the training and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, how important that was.

00:02:32.000 A lot of the things that we were taught, we saw that they were ignored in the Russian collusion investigation and in several incidents since then.

00:02:41.000 The Durham report validated an awful lot of what I said about the ugly.

00:02:46.000 I had the benefit when I was writing last fall of having, and it was available to everybody online, of Durham's two indictments of Denchenko and of Sussman.

00:02:59.000 And he really laid out quite a case in that.

00:03:01.000 Of course, nothing like the 300-page Durham report, which showed eventually, ultimately, the contention of my book that there was absolutely, absolutely no justification for opening the Russian collusion investigation, nor the succeeding obstruction of justice investigation, which was mainly handled by the special prosecutor, Bob Mueller.

00:03:25.000 So let me ask you, to what extent are the current leadership of the FBI, Christopher Wray and his lieutenants, what do they see their role to be?

00:03:33.000 Because I think you're obviously you're right.

00:03:35.000 There's some legitimately great work the FBI does when they go after child sex traffickers, they go after money embezzlers, you know, foreign spies.

00:03:43.000 All that stuff is legitimate, and I hope it continues.

00:03:45.000 What drives me nuts is the, and, is the overreach, the spying, the FISA abuse, the political persecution, obviously going after selective prosecutions.

00:03:57.000 What is, in their own words, do you think, how does the FBI leadership view themselves?

00:04:03.000 Because they look awfully political with their decisions, their motives, and their actions.

00:04:09.000 Yes.

00:04:09.000 And every time one of these, and you elaborated on some of them, one of these incidents happens, ultimately, it seems that the bad apples are let go.

00:04:19.000 They're either fired, as Comey, Struck McCabe, were fired.

00:04:23.000 Two of the agents involved in the Governor Whitmer kidnapping fiasco were let go.

00:04:30.000 Two of the agents involved in the gymnas case were let go.

00:04:33.000 All of these bad things that have come to light, culminating last fall when an assistant agent in charge of the Washington field office was walked out the door at the end of a Friday afternoon when it came to light very clearly that he had been involved in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop investigation.

00:04:53.000 And in each and every one of those instances, Director Ray says in so many words, well, the bad apples are gone.

00:05:00.000 And he refuses to look at the underlying problem of the culture of the FBI.

00:05:06.000 That's the problem why these things are happening.

00:05:08.000 That's what has to be addressed.

00:05:10.000 But even after the Durham report, 306 of 316 pages, when you read it, it's clear there's a cultural problem throughout the Bureau.

00:05:21.000 There are many, many people involved in that whole fiasco.

00:05:25.000 And John Durham did a great service in writing that report at the end of it.

00:05:31.000 And he said in his conclusion that the FBI needs to be continuously reminded of this.

00:05:38.000 That's what John Durham said.

00:05:40.000 In response, Director Ray said, none of the people who were involved in that are with us any longer.

00:05:48.000 Do you have any faith that the FBI can be restored to first an institution we trust, and then, of course, more importantly, one that's actually doing legitimate work, not acting as a Democrat political super PAC?

00:06:02.000 I hope it can be.

00:06:04.000 It's a hard job to change culture, but it can be done.

00:06:07.000 The first thing that has to be done is to recognize that there's a problem and then to reform it.

00:06:14.000 Hopefully, in two years, we'll have a new attorney general, a new director, and that'll get on its way and be done.

00:06:22.000 In the meantime, there's still a role for Congress to play.

00:06:26.000 The cultural change, really, the FBI has to do itself and recognize the need for it.

00:06:30.000 And there are more and more people speaking out.

00:06:32.000 More and more people are leaving the FBI in the recent year or two who are speaking out about this.

00:06:39.000 But the Congress has a role to play too, particularly, you mentioned Pfizer abuse.

00:06:43.000 Congress can legislatively correct a lot of that.

00:06:47.000 So let's get into some of the, here's another question for you.

00:06:51.000 From your experience, how much of this is a DC bad apple problem and how much of this has metastasized into other field offices?

00:07:01.000 Is this a cultural issue or is it mostly stemmed from Washington, D.C.

00:07:06.000 Well, initially, and a lot of people, myself included, thought it was mainly centered in Washington.

00:07:11.000 But the fact is that since this cultural change, which I can go back to and explain that a little bit further, but since this cultural change has happened, a new cadre of individuals, intelligence analysts, have risen to the fore.

00:07:24.000 They're very, very woke generally.

00:07:27.000 They don't operate in the constitutional guidelines that special agents are trained into.

00:07:32.000 And I've had people in the current FBI, working-level agents, tell me that these intelligence analysts are driving the agenda.

00:07:40.000 So they're the people come up with, there's no kind way to say it, these crackpot ideas, such as targeting people who like a particular flag, like the Betsy Ross flag, Or the targeting of Catholics who prefer to worship in the Latin language.

00:07:59.000 There's crazy ideas, and those people are all over now.

00:08:03.000 They're in every field office.

00:08:05.000 And that's where a lot of these problems are coming from.

00:08:09.000 But all of that is part of the package of the cultural change, which was started by Bob Mueller and then exacerbated by the poor leadership of James Collins.

00:08:18.000 So just to repeat that, though, was the cultural change that Bob Mueller turned the FBI into an intelligence operation, not a law enforcement organization.

00:08:29.000 And that happened, as I believe you know, because you're very well informed on this whole history.

00:08:29.000 Yes.

00:08:35.000 But Mueller became the director of the FBI just a few days before the September 11th attacks, which happened on a Tuesday.

00:08:43.000 The following Saturday morning, he was summoned to Camp David to meet with President George W. Bush, and he thought to give a report in the investigation.

00:08:53.000 And what had happened in just those three and a half days between the Tuesday attack and the Saturday morning is the FBI did what it does best, investigate.

00:09:04.000 And in those three and a half days, they had identified all 19 hijackers, their connections, their financing, their travel, everything about them, the connections going back to Al-Qaeda.

00:09:14.000 And when he was done with his report, George W. Bush just looked across that long oak table at him and said, I don't care about that.

00:09:22.000 I just want to know how you're going to prevent the next one.

00:09:25.000 And Mueller told us after that, he resolved he was bound and determined to change the culture of the FBI, and that's the word he used, from a law enforcement mindset to an intelligence mindset.

00:09:38.000 That had a lot of unintended consequences, and most of them were bad.

00:09:44.000 I think it's worth repeating how much of our politics and our policy and our language really changed and goes back to 9-11.

00:09:54.000 9-11 was so dramatic that what came next, in some ways, we had no idea what we were inviting in.

00:10:01.000 We were changing agencies, creating new ones.

00:10:03.000 We were recalibrating laws and customs.

00:10:07.000 And I think one of the lessons is: hey, when you're in panic, it's not always the best time to change what has already been proven.

00:10:15.000 Panic is legitimate, not the best time to do big decisions. 0.99

00:10:19.000 Because look at what we're dealing with now.

00:10:21.000 We are dealing with 20 years, 22 years later, an agency that is so off the rails based on your wonderful book.

00:10:28.000 The book is The Fall of the FBI: How a Once Great Agency Became a Threat to Democracy.

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00:12:12.000 So let me ask you, when do you think the fall began?

00:12:17.000 I mean, your history of the FBI goes all the way back to the assassination attempt of Ronald Reagan.

00:12:23.000 Was it prevalent in the 80s or 90s, or was it really that kind of turning point of Bob Mueller changing the fiber and the DNA of the FBI?

00:12:31.000 Oh, it was definitely the turning point when Bob Mueller changed things.

00:12:35.000 Before that, the agents, we were so grounded in the Constitution.

00:12:40.000 I mean, that is what we live by, the first 10 amendments, particularly the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendment, that some people see as a break or a handicap to law enforcement or police enforcement.

00:12:52.000 But we were told by our legal instructors to embrace the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendment.

00:12:57.000 Don't see them as an obstacle, understand them.

00:13:01.000 And we were given a pocket copy of the Constitution and told to keep it in our breast pocket.

00:13:06.000 And one of our instructors told us when you're interviewing an American or when you're searching someone's home, if you have that Constitution in your pocket, it's going to be very hard for you to go off the track and do something wrong.

00:13:19.000 I mean, that was the mentality then.

00:13:21.000 It may sound corny to some today, but that was the mentality.

00:13:25.000 But then Bob Mueller set about to change the FBI away from a swear-to-tell-the-truth law enforcement organization to an intelligence organization.

00:13:34.000 And the difference, Charlie, in culture is profound.

00:13:39.000 In a law enforcement organization, people are working every day when the day comes that they're going to have to stand up in court and raise their right hand and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth before a judge or jury.

00:13:56.000 That's quite different than an intelligence agency that deals in deception and deceit and just chases after intelligence.

00:14:04.000 In law enforcement, everything's in a straight line.

00:14:06.000 There's a complaint or a crime committed, and you go in a straight line to try and find the perpetrator and try and convict the perpetrator and solve the crime.

00:14:16.000 In intelligence, you just go round and around in a circle.

00:14:19.000 You just keep gathering more and more intelligence going around in a circle.

00:14:23.000 And that's why we have these crackpot ideas today coming out of the Bureau to investigate Latin Mass Catholics and to look at mothers and fathers at school board meetings.

00:14:34.000 It's all just in this no boundaries intelligence chasing process.

00:14:41.000 So I want to talk about the 1990s.

00:14:43.000 There are three events that can stand out in FBI history.

00:14:46.000 And I'm wondering how that falls into your history and your book, The Fall of the FBI, and how it might have changed maybe an us versus them mentality.

00:14:55.000 Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Oklahoma City.

00:14:59.000 Those three things stand out as far as domestic law enforcement situations that resulted in a less than ideal circumstance, right?

00:15:07.000 Ruby Ridge, which was, I believe, up in Idaho, which resulted in somebody dead.

00:15:11.000 And then Waco, which I think we can all say was probably poorly handled in a variety of different ways.

00:15:15.000 And then finally, of course, Oklahoma City.

00:15:18.000 Leading up into the fall of the FBI, did these events mean anything to you, or are they just kind of blips on the radar in the history that you account in the fall of the FBI?

00:15:26.000 Well, I remember all three events rather well.

00:15:30.000 I was overseas when two of them occurred and we even in the legats around the world were getting leads and responding to them.

00:15:38.000 It was a full court press.

00:15:40.000 I think a lot of lessons were learned.

00:15:42.000 Ruby Ridge, I believe the U.S. Marshals were the first ones on the scene of that thing.

00:15:47.000 Then the FBI came in.

00:15:49.000 There was a always there was a problem in coordination and communications.

00:15:54.000 Hopefully, a lot of that has been straightened out between agencies.

00:15:59.000 Also, the training was always very, once I said about the Constitution, that you did not shoot, you did not use firearms, you did not use deadly force unless you felt your own life or the life of someone else was in danger.

00:16:17.000 And that's always been the guideline.

00:16:20.000 Waco, you had a similar situation.

00:16:22.000 The case began with the ATF.

00:16:25.000 Then the FBI got involved.

00:16:27.000 There was probably some coordination.

00:16:29.000 There was fighting in the team there between the hostage negotiators and the tactical people.

00:16:34.000 Hopefully, a lot of that's been ironed out.

00:16:37.000 And Oklahoma City, once again, people went off in different tracks looking at different things, but it was the court of law approved this.

00:16:49.000 It was two Americans essentially were responsible for that horrendous, horrendous bombing. 0.97

00:16:56.000 But in the big, big picture, Charlie, you use the expression of blimp on the radar.

00:17:01.000 I think you might be right.

00:17:02.000 I think it, because it's when you get to September 11th and the whole paradigm changes and shifted, and some people would say for a good reason, but then, oh, as you said, because people were in a panic.

00:17:16.000 But at the end of the day, changes were made that really do now, in retrospect, jeopardize our liberty.

00:17:23.000 Yes.

00:17:24.000 Not to mention, I believe in the 90s was the centennial park bombing as well in Atlanta, Georgia, with Eric Rudolph, who was on the run, which was a little bit of a PR issue for the FBI.

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00:20:48.000 So, Thomas, let me ask you: when the Patriot Act was being passed and all of this was being implemented, were you still in the Bureau?

00:20:56.000 Yes.

00:20:56.000 Yes, that's about when I left, in fact.

00:21:00.000 And what happened, the Patriot Act, and some of that's been modified too.

00:21:05.000 But after September 11th, other laws were amended and modified.

00:21:08.000 And then the rush and the pressure of the days, people didn't notice at the time.

00:21:13.000 And one very significant one was the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which John Durham in his report spends a lot of time on and which was clearly abused during the Trump collusion investigation, or of course hurricane is the code name.

00:21:30.000 So the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Pfizer, was first passed and put into operation in 1978, and it had two specific aspects to it.

00:21:41.000 It was to be used only to gather intelligence, not to gather evidence for prosecution, and it was only to be used against foreign agents resident within the United States.

00:21:55.000 Now, you can guess who those were diplomats and similar.

00:22:00.000 And after September 11th, the act has been modified numerous times, and now it can be used against U.S. persons, which includes not just U.S. citizens, but legal aliens and U.S. corporations.

00:22:13.000 It's a very intrusive tool.

00:22:16.000 And it was really, we can see the abuse of it with specificity in Crossfire Hurricane, where they had four Pfizer warrants over the course of a year targeted at this individual, Carter Page, who at the end of the day had nothing to do with anything and was doing nothing wrong and was not an agent of Russia or anybody else.

00:22:38.000 Yet he was subject to the Pfizer surveillance, very intrusive surveillance.

00:22:45.000 It's more intrusive than people imagine.

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00:22:59.000 And unlike years ago, when a wiretap was ongoing from that moment forward, the way information today is stored in the cloud, once you have a Pfizer warrant on somebody, it looks back at information in the past.

00:23:13.000 So it's very intrusive.

00:23:15.000 And this says, again, it started with quote-unquote good intentions to go after al-Qaeda, go after Islamic terrorists.

00:23:23.000 But it turns out that you build this entire Leviathan and you have a supply and demand problem.

00:23:29.000 Eventually, it almost becomes this irresistible temptation, correct?

00:23:33.000 Correct.

00:23:35.000 And there's a requirement with Pfizer reporting to the Pfizer judges in Washington.

00:23:41.000 It lags about a year or two behind, but the numbers are reported.

00:23:46.000 So in the first couple of years that it was put in action in the late 70s, early 80s, there were only a couple of hundred Pfizer warrants a year.

00:23:55.000 You could almost, and it's a secret, but you can almost guess where and who most of those were on.

00:24:02.000 Then by September 11th, it jumped up to 1,000.

00:24:06.000 And now since then, it's 2,03,000 a year.

00:24:09.000 And we now know from the Inspector General, the Inspector General of the Department of Justice, who looked at some of this stuff in the wake of Russia Hurricane, we now know that there were hundreds and hundreds, if perhaps thousands of these warrants are directed against U.S. persons.

00:24:29.000 And with almost, and what animates me and our audience, though, is the lack of accountability to the actual police officers, quote unquote, with the badges that abuse it.

00:24:42.000 And so the Durham report was obviously, you know, very clear, but to date, there has not been anybody that is serving prison time for violating these laws.

00:24:53.000 And it was not inconsequential.

00:24:55.000 These lies and this abuse has real material harm, not just to the agency's reputation, but also to the continuation.

00:25:04.000 And then Bob Mueller being appointed a special prosecutor for the Russia stuff, LART.

00:25:08.000 So this stuff grows and grows and grows.

00:25:10.000 And the truth is able to circle the globe 10 times before, I mean, the lies are able to circle the globe 10 times before the truth ever gets out of the gate.

00:25:19.000 So do you think these people will ever be held accountable for what they have done?

00:25:25.000 In terms of prosecution, probably not.

00:25:28.000 What happened in a lot of cases, Charlie, I'm not disagreeing with you because some of it, in my mind, was a violation of the law.

00:25:36.000 But what a lot of it was, and Durham is clear on this too, was an abuse of power.

00:25:41.000 In other words, when you look back at all the things that happened in that Russian pollution investigation, take General Flynn and others.

00:25:48.000 They were unmasked when their names came up.

00:25:52.000 The people who did that had the authority to do it, but it was an abuse.

00:25:57.000 And in the Pfizer warrant, which Durham makes clear, was based mainly on the steel dossier.

00:26:04.000 And he also makes clear that by the time he got looking at it, we knew everything in the steel dossier was phony belonging, just made-up stuff.

00:26:12.000 And what he found out in doing his interviews of people up and down the chain of command was that a lot of people suspected there, or suspected at the time, there wasn't enough probable cause, but yet nobody, apparently, nobody spoke out at that point.

00:26:29.000 So it's a combination of an abuse of authority and a lot of really slipshod work.

00:26:38.000 So let me ask you about some of your colleagues that you served with or might still be there.

00:26:44.000 What is their current attitude?

00:26:46.000 What was the reaction amongst your friends or people that served when the Durham report came out?

00:26:52.000 Well, for the most part, and the people that I talked to, it just reinforced what they already knew or suspected.

00:26:58.000 And I've talked to several agents, working-level agents, actually, who have left in the past year or so, and one or two who are actually involved in aspects of CrossFire Hurricane.

00:27:09.000 And they were kept in the dark about a lot of things along the way.

00:27:14.000 That was another thing that Bob Mueller put in place and Comey kept this compartmentalization, just like an intelligence agency.

00:27:22.000 It used to be in law enforcement.

00:27:23.000 Everybody talked to the people on the right and the left of them.

00:27:26.000 With this centralization and compartmentalization that Mueller put in place, people didn't know.

00:27:33.000 They just knew what their one little assignment was.

00:27:36.000 They just assumed, as I did in the past, that there was some legitimacy to this.

00:27:43.000 And I remember one conversation was related to me by one of the two people who were involved in it between the agent in charge in the Washington field at the time and the agent in charge of the New York office.

00:27:54.000 And they were hearing bits and pieces of it, but they didn't have control of it because it was all being run out of headquarters, which was highly irregular.

00:28:03.000 And they just said to each other, which I would have said too, well, they must have more because what they saw, they didn't see enough for an investigation, and they just assumed they must have more.

00:28:14.000 Well, it turns out they didn't have more.

00:28:17.000 But that's what you get is, and once again, Comey and Mueller are responsible for this, centralizing everything so you eliminated all the levels of independent review that you had in traditional investigation, where you had a case agent, then the field supervisor above the case agent, then the special agent in charge of that office.

00:28:37.000 Those layers of review before the case went to headquarters.

00:28:40.000 In the first fire hurricane, you had somebody, a deputy assistant director like Struck, opening the case, and then the next day flying to London to conduct the first interview himself.

00:28:52.000 No independent judgment involved.

00:28:55.000 It was bound to end badly.

00:28:57.000 And it seems as if they either never thought they would get caught or they didn't care or they thought the ends justify the means and or a mixture of all those different things.

00:29:09.000 And when you have dirty cops, it really ruins their reputation there.

00:29:12.000 The book is The Fall of the FBI.

00:29:15.000 Mr. Baker, any other thoughts you want to make here on your book or about the FBI in general?

00:29:20.000 No, I just hope and pray.

00:29:22.000 It breaks my heart to even discuss these things.

00:29:25.000 I mean, I'm not taking any form of happiness in this.

00:29:29.000 The Durham Report did validate a lot of stuff in my book.

00:29:33.000 And I really think the more people who read my book, the better off our country will be, because there'll be more people agitating for change.

00:29:41.000 This is still a democracy, and people, a lot of people expressing their voice can have an impact.

00:29:48.000 They can get the book on Amazon.com or at Barnes ⁇ Noble or wherever.

00:29:53.000 And I really think people need to read it.

00:29:55.000 As I said, people need to read the Durham Report.

00:29:58.000 The book is the fall of the FBI.

00:30:00.000 Thomas Baker, thank you so much.

00:30:01.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:30:02.000 Thank you for all you're doing.

00:30:04.000 Well, we're doing our best.

00:30:05.000 God bless you.

00:30:06.000 Thanks so much.

00:30:09.000 What is the woke?

00:30:12.000 Nikki Haley was asked to define wokeism and she just sputtered.

00:30:16.000 It is an emphasis on injustice and equality and calling something unjust until you control it.

00:30:24.000 It's calling something unfair until you control it.

00:30:26.000 It really is weaponized complaining.

00:30:28.000 Blake came up with that.

00:30:30.000 I think it's brilliant.

00:30:30.000 It's just people that would complain no matter what situation they're in.

00:30:34.000 They're largely disagreeable, anti-social people.

00:30:38.000 It is an emphasis on equity, not equality.

00:30:41.000 And it is imperative that we crush the idea pathogen of critical theory, postmodernism, post-structuralism, subjectivism everywhere we possibly can.

00:30:52.000 So this has real life consequences.

00:30:55.000 And I'm going to tell you about one of the ways that we go about crushing it.

00:30:59.000 And woke is very similar to pornography.

00:31:02.000 Blake, who said it?

00:31:03.000 Was it Rehnquist or was it a woman?

00:31:05.000 I can't remember.

00:31:06.000 There was somebody on the Supreme Court.

00:31:07.000 He's either Sandra Day O'Connor or Rehnquist, big difference, who said, pornography, you just know it when you see it, is just one of the great quotes ever.

00:31:15.000 And was it Potter Stewart, really?

00:31:19.000 I'm off on that.

00:31:20.000 I thought it was Rehnquist or Sandra Day O'Connor.

00:31:22.000 You know it when you see it.

00:31:23.000 That's kind of the woke thing.

00:31:24.000 It's just so, it's such an affront to the natural law.

00:31:27.000 It's just such a violation to our reason.

00:31:30.000 It's so offensive to our sensibilities.

00:31:33.000 You just know it and you say, yeah, that's not right.

00:31:36.000 So, for example, the front page of Google's homepage on the 79th anniversary of D-Day is some people having tea in a meadow.

00:31:48.000 And it should be people storming Normandy Beach.

00:31:53.000 But who cares about that, right? 0.98

00:31:54.000 Too many white men, too much white rage, too much masculinity. 0.97

00:31:58.000 So let me show you the consequence of this. 0.85

00:31:59.000 This is the $10 trillion man, the man who runs BlackRock, Larry Fink, talking about gender and diversity and equity.

00:32:08.000 So he is on the solution side.

00:32:12.000 And I say that.

00:32:13.000 It's really not the solution.

00:32:14.000 But if you do not question the diagnosis, then you're going to allow these power-hungry people to run over you.

00:32:22.000 So a takeover of a country through woke tyranny happens in two parts.

00:32:27.000 The first part is they have to misdiagnose and then they put forward a quote-unquote remedy to their misdiagnosis.

00:32:36.000 So Larry Fink is on the poor remedy or the damaging remedy side of the equation, play cut one.

00:32:45.000 It's just, you have to force behaviors.

00:32:49.000 And if you don't force behaviors, whether it's gender or race or just any way you want to say the composition of your team, you're going to be impacted.

00:32:59.000 And that's just not recruiting.

00:33:01.000 It is development, as Ken said.

00:33:03.000 How do you force change, though?

00:33:05.000 How do you do something more radical to enhance diversity and inclusion?

00:33:09.000 Because it has to be imbued in the culture of a firm.

00:33:12.000 And it has to be talked about.

00:33:14.000 It has to be shown.

00:33:15.000 Behaviors across the entire firm in every region have to be similar.

00:33:21.000 And every citizen of the firm has to understand what is acceptable behaviors and what are unacceptable.

00:33:28.000 Now, you can lead yourself to believe that, that we have to force companies, again, force companies, gender, race, and all this, if you actually believe that there's this massive systemic problem.

00:33:39.000 But there isn't.

00:33:40.000 That's why it's so important to go after the root of the flawed logic.

00:33:45.000 The false premise will create a misleading, misdirected trajectory where we are so far out of the barn.

00:33:53.000 All of a sudden we're talking about reorganizing our corporations, all based on a lie.

00:33:57.000 And this is why Tim Scott running for the presidency, I am in full support of, not for him becoming president, but if he does nothing more than goes after the idea pathogen of America being racist, we then can deconstruct and fight Larry Fink on trying to change our corporations.

00:34:15.000 God bless Tim Scott for this.

00:34:17.000 Play cut 17.

00:34:18.000 You have indicated that you don't believe in systemic racism.

00:34:22.000 One of the things I think about, and one of the reasons why I'm on the show is because of the comments that were made, frankly, on this show, that the only way for a young African-American kid to be successful in this country is to be the exception and not the rule.

00:34:33.000 That is a dangerous, offensive, disgusting message to send to our young people today that the only way to succeed is by being the exception.

00:34:43.000 So the fact of the matter is we've had an African-American president, African-American vice president.

00:34:47.000 We've had two African Americans to be secretaries of the state.

00:34:50.000 So how do you beat Larry Fink imposing ESG?

00:34:54.000 You go after the premise that it's built on.

00:34:56.000 ESG loses power if you're able to disprove and disempower the entire premise they have, which is America is systemically racist.

00:35:06.000 Climate change is looming catastrophe.

00:35:08.000 And we need activist corporations. 1.00

00:35:10.000 And Tim Scott running for the presidency, really dunking on those low IQ wine moms on the view is a step in the right direction. 0.68

00:35:18.000 God bless you, Tim Scott, for that.

00:35:20.000 You did a wonderful job.

00:35:23.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:25.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:28.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:35:33.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 07, 2023

The Decline and Fall of the FBI with Thomas J. Baker

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