The Charlie Kirk Show - The Department of Health and Human Trafficking with James O'Keefe and Vivek Ramaswamy

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00:01:17.000 One of the more confusing stories of the last month has been the Sam Bankman-Fried FTX story, the SBF FTX.

00:01:28.000 Say that three times quickly.

00:01:30.000 Coin Desk, which is some form of a blog slash news reporting agency when it comes to crypto, discovered an irregularity in one of FTX's sister companies.

00:01:47.000 And that seemed to trigger what is now described as one of the great financial collapses of a generation.

00:01:54.000 Sam Bankman-Fried donated anywhere between $30 to $50 million to Democrat causes this last cycle, now claims that he has no money.

00:02:06.000 And then he did an interview yesterday with the New York Times.

00:02:09.000 Allegedly went from being worth $25 billion to being worth nothing.

00:02:13.000 I don't believe him.

00:02:14.000 I think Sam Bankman-Fried is a liar.

00:02:17.000 If you're able to take out money for political donations and pay taxes on it, I guarantee you you are taking out money and pay taxes on it and buying real estate or buying stocks or bonds or putting money offshore.

00:02:28.000 I think he's lying about his net worth for sympathy.

00:02:30.000 But here to help us unpack this is a very smart person from Strive, Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:02:36.000 Vivek, welcome back to the program.

00:02:38.000 How are you, Charlie?

00:02:38.000 Good to be on.

00:02:41.000 Good.

00:02:41.000 So Vivek, there's so many different aspects to this story that I'm still confused about.

00:02:46.000 But I think our time is best spent for you to explain to our audience, how should we think about the FTX scandal?

00:02:53.000 What are the main lessons that we should take away here?

00:02:56.000 So I think there's a couple of lessons.

00:02:58.000 Probably top of the list, Charlie, is that this was a guy who put on a do-good smokescreen, a virtue signaling smoke screen, donating tens of millions of dollars to the Democratic Party and related causes, calling for so-called responsible regulation of the cryptocurrency sector.

00:03:15.000 A guy who was saying all of the right things that were ESG friendly.

00:03:18.000 Actually, even one ESG rating firms assigned actually FTX a higher score on leadership and governance than they did to ExxonMobil, which is laughable.

00:03:29.000 This is a guy who cultivated the appearance of being a virtuous actor, but was actually just a false prophet in the end.

00:03:36.000 And I'm sad to say, Charlie, that is a lesson that the public continues to learn time and again.

00:03:42.000 The people who strive to appear most virtuous, the people who actually try to put on the virtue signaling smokescreen, end up being often the most fraudulent ones in the end.

00:03:52.000 Be it the CEO of, you could say, Volkswagen.

00:03:55.000 This reminded me a lot of that.

00:03:57.000 The emissions cheating scandal to a lot of the other fraudsters we've seen.

00:04:00.000 I think it's one of the top takeaways.

00:04:02.000 The other takeaway, Charlie, is that whether or not it relates to cryptocurrency, a thief is a thief.

00:04:08.000 He took customer funds.

00:04:10.000 And this is a very complicated story, and there's a lot of technocratic detail, which we could go into.

00:04:14.000 But if you cut through it all, at the end of the day, you have a guy who was entrusted with funds, stole those funds, used them for his own purposes, and that's theft no matter how you cut it.

00:04:23.000 And so people shouldn't get lost in the complexity to see the basic point that if you trust someone else with your money, they can ultimately run away with it and use it for their own purposes.

00:04:32.000 That's what happened here.

00:04:35.000 So Sam Bankman-Freed is saying he didn't break any laws. 0.99

00:04:38.000 He's a liar.

00:04:40.000 There are fraud laws all throughout the federal law registry. 0.96

00:04:44.000 I mean, you're not allowed to give the appearance of one business purpose and then just do whatever you want with it.

00:04:50.000 As a judge famously said, or a prosecutor said when explaining how to enforce fraud, you know it when you see it.

00:04:59.000 And so, Vivek, for some of our listeners that don't quite understand the financial specifics of this story, can you explain how widespread, how big of a story is this?

00:05:10.000 This is not some guy that did a $10 million scheme or a $20 million scheme.

00:05:15.000 We're talking about a collapse of an exchange and the eradication and the disappearance of billions of dollars.

00:05:21.000 That's what's so amazing: there's just billions of dollars missing and no one knows where it is.

00:05:26.000 And Sam Bankman-Fried goes to the New York Times summit and cries poor.

00:05:31.000 I mean, how do you lose billions of dollars?

00:05:33.000 I mean, what is this?

00:05:35.000 Aid to Ukraine?

00:05:36.000 Yeah.

00:05:37.000 So, well played, Charlie.

00:05:40.000 I think I want to make two points here.

00:05:42.000 One is this was not a bunch of people who lost money who thought they were putting money into a risky startup and then lost that money.

00:05:49.000 That's the kind of thing where you take the risk, you take the risk, and you know, your money may not come back, like the investors in FTX themselves.

00:05:57.000 This is customer funds that they thought they were using to trade on an exchange.

00:06:02.000 So, this is a really big deal when you look at billions of dollars of customer money vaporizing when they thought they were just engaging in trades on an exchange.

00:06:10.000 So, I think that's, I think, why this is such a remarkable point, Charlie: is this was not some not people who lost money as investors, these are people who lost money when they handed their money over to a custodian.

00:06:22.000 And a custodian has the highest duty not to use those customer funds for their own gambles.

00:06:28.000 And it appears based on the facts that that's exactly what he did.

00:06:31.000 But the other point I want to make, Charlie, is that I also watched part of that interview at the deal book conference, New York Times conference yesterday.

00:06:39.000 And one of the things that was striking to me was looking at the people in the audience, right?

00:06:42.000 They were laughing at him, they were distancing himself and histancy as one of the other, one of the members of the other, the weird-looking young guy with a frizz ball of curly hair and wearing a t-shirt and shorts.

00:06:53.000 He's the weird guy.

00:06:55.000 I think the uncomfortable truth is that you know what?

00:06:58.000 A lot of the kings of elite finance, dating back to the 2008 financial crisis, don't have particularly clean hands themselves either.

00:07:06.000 And in them, they actually, if they look hard, see a bit of themselves too, which is part of why this game of trying to distance themselves from him has come up so much.

00:07:16.000 I mean, in 2008, he got people bailed out at the public fisk: Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan, Bank of America, all of whom took risks that they shouldn't have been taking, not with proper disclosures in many cases.

00:07:28.000 And so, I think one of the morals of this story is: yes, he's this weird dude who did a really bad thing at a large scale, but you know what?

00:07:35.000 It's a familiar story.

00:07:36.000 If you look at what happened with MF Global, John Corzine, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, political figure as well, involved in that business, that was an exchange that also misused customer funds.

00:07:47.000 This is a pattern that's not specific to the Bahamas cryptocurrency 30-year-old guy who wears t-shirts and sorts.

00:07:53.000 This is actually a moment for a lot of financial actors to look themselves in the mirror and a lot of customers to question their own motives, even if they wear a suit and tie.

00:08:01.000 It doesn't mean that they're not often guilty of the same kind of issue, different in degree, if not in kind.

00:08:08.000 Yeah, I think that's really smart.

00:08:10.000 And I mean, Bankman Freed is now going on a PR tour insisting he didn't do anything illegal.

00:08:17.000 Let's play cut 101 of crypto boy who stole people's money, refuses to take responsibility.

00:08:25.000 Play cut 101.

00:08:26.000 I wasn't even trying.

00:08:29.000 Like, I wasn't spending any time or effort trying to manage risk on FTX, trying, like, I don't know what to say.

00:08:37.000 Like, what happened happened?

00:08:39.000 And, like, if I had been, if I had been spending an hour a day thinking about risk management on FTX, I don't think that would have happened.

00:08:47.000 I think I got a little cocky.

00:08:51.000 I got a little cocky.

00:08:53.000 Is that the understatement of, you know, the history of crypto?

00:08:56.000 Sure.

00:08:57.000 So look, I went into that interview yesterday, watching it at least, thinking that he was going to be some kind of evil genius fraudster. 0.97

00:09:04.000 I came out of it realizing that he was actually more likely to be an incompetent fraudster. 0.71

00:09:07.000 That doesn't mean he wasn't a fraudster, but there was a layer of incompetence to this too.

00:09:11.000 And it was sort of an amazing feat where the kinds of things that you would have expected to see in someone incompetent, sleeping through meetings, sleeping as people went in and out, not paying attention, those were vaulted by people as, oh, this guy must be some type of actual visionary genius.

00:09:26.000 No, it turns out it actually was just what it looked like is he was a little bit incompetent, a poor manager, but then also had bad intentions on top of that.

00:09:33.000 That was one of my main takeaways from yesterday.

00:09:35.000 And again, a pattern that yet repeats itself across multiple sectors and multiple other financial firms too.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, I think that's well said.

00:09:43.000 Sam Bankman Fried gave anywhere between $40 to $50 million to Democrats, maybe more.

00:09:49.000 He gave a little bit to Republicans, allegedly.

00:09:52.000 But if he gave only to Republicans, he would be indicted by now and the media would be calling for him.

00:09:57.000 He paid his insurance bills over the last year and a half.

00:10:00.000 He was not giving money to Democrats because he wanted a better world.

00:10:04.000 He was buying life insurance.

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00:11:33.000 Vivek, why don't you tell us about the work Strive is doing as we contrast that up against the aloof boy fraudster who needs a shower, a haircut, and maybe a suit or tie if you're going to be interviewed by the New York Times.

00:11:47.000 Sorry, I just, this whole, this whole shtick that Bankman Fried has, it's okay if you're worth 30 billion, you can get away with the, you know, the hungover frat boy look that you're kind of some sort of weird programmer.

00:12:01.000 But as soon as you, I don't know, make people lose millions of dollars in a life savings, like how about you clean up your act a little bit, pal.

00:12:07.000 Sorry, side note.

00:12:08.000 Vivek, tell us about Strive.

00:12:10.000 Sure.

00:12:11.000 And thank you for your own support on it, Charlie, too.

00:12:14.000 Appreciate that.

00:12:14.000 But the thing I would say.

00:12:16.000 The thing I would say is one of the lessons is if you're going to stand for a principle, stand for that principle.

00:12:24.000 You don't have to be everything to everybody.

00:12:25.000 And I think even if you tie it to the SBF thing, just tie up that discussion for a second.

00:12:29.000 He didn't have to put up the ESG smoke screen.

00:12:31.000 He could have just said he's a crypto exchange and everyone could have just judged him accordingly.

00:12:35.000 My view with Strive and with everything I'm working on is that companies should focus exclusively on delivering excellent products and services to their customers for profit without apologizing for it and without putting on a show.

00:12:50.000 And I think everyone is better off if we can do that.

00:12:53.000 But the problem today is that you have other large financial institutions, firms like BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, that today are without the permission of their customers using their clients' money to advance agendas in corporate America's boardrooms that most of those everyday citizens actually disagree with.

00:13:11.000 And so if you think about even some of the parallels here, you know, there are different issues, but there are parallels.

00:13:16.000 Okay, SBF used customer funds to advance personal agendas, in this case, personal financial agendas, without disclosing it and without getting the permission of the customers.

00:13:26.000 Well, what do you think is happening at other large asset managers like BlackRock on Down, where they're using their clients' funds to vote for social agendas without getting their clients' permission, without asking their clients that do not advance their best financial interests?

00:13:39.000 There are parallels here that bear mention.

00:13:41.000 Now, Charlie, my view is the best answer often to market problems is market solutions rather than just more regulation or government action.

00:13:50.000 And my view is that if everyday Americans, or there's a lot of them certainly, who don't want to advance political or social agendas with their capital, one-sided, toxic, progressive agendas with their investments, to be able to say that the voting power and the voice you get as a shareholder in America's companies, use it to tell them to focus on products and services, to make a profit, to get out of politics and not apologize for that.

00:14:14.000 And my own view is also it's important for financial institutions to be really upfront about who they can represent and who they can't.

00:14:20.000 And my view is if you want with your own money to advance a social or political agenda, climate change, racial justice, or whatever, this is a free country.

00:14:28.000 And if it's your money, you're free to do that.

00:14:31.000 Strive would not be a good home for you as a client, as a customer, would not be a good home for your capital.

00:14:36.000 And I think we need more financial institutions to be transparent about for whom they can be a good representative, for whom they can be a good fiduciary, and for whom they cannot.

00:14:45.000 Even if that means sacrificing some business opportunity to be able to get someone else's money and manage it and charge them a fee, you actually operate with higher integrity if you say what you stand for and what you don't.

00:14:56.000 And I think that integrity is something that we're missing in much of the financial services industry today.

00:15:02.000 So Vivek, that's really smart.

00:15:04.000 How do people buy your ETFs or the instruments that you guys have currently available at Strive?

00:15:09.000 I mean, they're exchange traded funds.

00:15:12.000 They're index funds.

00:15:13.000 They trade on the New York Stock Exchange and the NASDAQ.

00:15:16.000 And you can look up Strive.com to get more information about Strive.

00:15:20.000 But for me, Charlie, this is less about me and less about my company and more about hopefully a broader movement we create in the private sector that creates a tide that actually lifts the cultural boats through the economy itself.

00:15:35.000 And I hope more entrepreneurs are able to step up, including in the financial sector, including other sectors, to say that there are probably 100 plus million Americans whose money is being abused by other financial institutions by advancing social agendas they don't know about.

00:15:49.000 I mean, when Apple writes a multi-million dollar, $100 million check to advance racial equity or a company gives money to Black Lives Matter, that is not their money.

00:15:58.000 That is your money.

00:15:59.000 When a company funds, defund the police, that's not their money.

00:16:02.000 If you're a shareholder in that company, that is your money.

00:16:05.000 And I think people waking up to that reality.

00:16:07.000 That's actually the mission I'm on through Strive is an educational mission to say that if that's not something you want done with your money, you deserve a different option.

00:16:15.000 And so, you know, people are free to learn more about Strive and that's great.

00:16:19.000 But it's less about me and less about the commercial impact here and more about what I hope for capitalism.

00:16:25.000 It's so important.

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00:16:31.000 I think they're terrific.

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00:16:39.000 Vivek, thank you so much.

00:16:40.000 God bless you and keep fighting.

00:16:42.000 Really great.

00:16:43.000 Thank you.

00:16:44.000 Thank you, Charlie.

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00:17:50.000 Joining us now is James O'Keefe, who I have an unbelievable amount of respect for.

00:17:54.000 He has courage and he loves his country.

00:17:57.000 I love Project Veritas.

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00:17:59.000 James, welcome back to the program.

00:18:01.000 Hey, Charlie, great to be with you.

00:18:04.000 So, James, tell us about your latest story.

00:18:06.000 Traffickers exploit illegal child labor with social security fraud.

00:18:12.000 Minor forced to leave school and work 10-hour shifts paying back cartel debt.

00:18:17.000 So, James, take your time.

00:18:18.000 This is a very confusing story if we go through it too quickly, in my opinion.

00:18:22.000 So, the floor is yours.

00:18:23.000 Walk us through it.

00:18:25.000 This is a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services whistleblower, a current federal employee who came to us.

00:18:33.000 Tara is her name, Tara Rotis.

00:18:35.000 She works for something called the Council on Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency.

00:18:41.000 And she brought us documents, Charlie, from Texas.

00:18:44.000 These are addresses of a sponsorship program.

00:18:47.000 This is a program where the federal government gets sponsors to take unaccompanied children from Mexico, Guatemala, and put them in addresses.

00:18:59.000 And she says that the government knew these children are being trafficked.

00:19:03.000 And she brought it to the attention of one of her colleagues there at Health and Human Services and the federal government.

00:19:09.000 And she was told by this government official that the cart, we don't get sued by the cartels.

00:19:15.000 So there's nothing that we can do about this.

00:19:17.000 So this whistleblower came to Project Veritas, very brave woman, blew the whistle on the whole program, children being trafficked.

00:19:25.000 Our undercover journalists went to these addresses in Texas, interviewed the people at the addresses, and these young girls admitted to us they're being pimped out by their sponsors.

00:19:36.000 So, children are being trafficked, exploited, raped, all, and the government knows about it.

00:19:42.000 And this brave woman, Tara Rotis, came out.

00:19:46.000 She was brave.

00:19:47.000 She came to Project Veritas and told us the whole story.

00:19:51.000 So, James, when you say pimped out, I think of Acorn. 0.99

00:19:55.000 Do you mean that these children are being used as sex slave prostitutes, or do you mean they're being pimped out for manual labor? 1.00

00:20:02.000 They're being pimped out for sex in this case. 0.99

00:20:04.000 Some of these children are being given labor, and some of these children are being pimped out for actual sex.

00:20:12.000 In this case, one of her sponsors was pimping her out, and she says the words on tape.

00:20:18.000 We blurred these children's faces.

00:20:19.000 We spoke to hundreds of children, our undercover journalists who speak Spanish, were knocking on the doors of these addresses that the federal employee gave us.

00:20:30.000 And we went to their doors, and you could see their faces.

00:20:33.000 You could see their lips moving.

00:20:35.000 These young children were admitted to being sold off for sex when they got to the United States and they lived with these sponsors who are supposed to be housing them.

00:20:44.000 But some of these children were living in little studio, studio, and one-bedroom apartments with multiple older men.

00:20:52.000 And these individuals are underage.

00:20:55.000 They're, let's say, younger than 18.

00:20:59.000 Yes, this girl in particular was 15.

00:21:03.000 So, and the sponsors are typically not actual American citizens.

00:21:07.000 They're not permanent residents.

00:21:09.000 Tara told us they don't have a legal presence.

00:21:11.000 And there's multiple older men living in the same room as underage children.

00:21:17.000 And the government, Tara showed us her government laptop, showed us stuff on the laptop, showed us addresses.

00:21:28.000 And we went down there.

00:21:30.000 We're in touch with the authorities right now.

00:21:33.000 There are multiple state and federal crimes with this.

00:21:36.000 I wonder where our FBI is.

00:21:37.000 We know that they've been raiding Project Veritas and school mothers and priests and so forth.

00:21:42.000 I don't know what they're doing.

00:21:43.000 Why aren't they looking into this sort of situation?

00:21:46.000 But we think the authorities will act on this, Charlie, because we have now caught the young children on tape admitting to being trafficked and exploited.

00:21:55.000 And what's most shocking about the expose, I think, is this woman, Catherine Bond, is her name.

00:22:01.000 She was a lawyer with HHS who worked with Tara.

00:22:04.000 And she told Tara that, listen, you know, we don't get sued by traffickers.

00:22:10.000 So they didn't take any action.

00:22:13.000 This is an example of just a program so filled with abuse.

00:22:18.000 And HHS, Charlie, Health and Human Services is a trillion dollar government agency.

00:22:25.000 So this is just how broken the program, the sponsorship program is. 0.86

00:22:29.000 So it's fair to say then this is government-sponsored child sex prostitution. 0.93

00:22:35.000 This goes back to Biden. 0.97

00:22:36.000 This goes back to Majorkis.

00:22:37.000 This goes back to HHX ex-Secretary, ex-secretary.

00:22:41.000 I think it's Javier Becera.

00:22:43.000 I think that's his name, if I'm not mistaken.

00:22:45.000 Yes.

00:22:46.000 Who's in charge of HHS?

00:22:48.000 And so this is extraordinary.

00:22:51.000 I mean, this is on the same level, if not even more troubling, James, than your original expose, as I mentioned previously, Acorn.

00:22:59.000 I mean, this is taxpayer-funded pimping out young girls who are 15 and 16 to our country to be prostitutes for men.

00:23:09.000 And the media won't be bothered, and law enforcement is too busy, trying to indict Donald Trump and or raid your apartment.

00:23:20.000 Yeah, Rotis, here's how Rotis said, this is the whistleblower.

00:23:24.000 She's very brave.

00:23:24.000 She remembers, she currently works for this council.

00:23:28.000 She's a current federal employee.

00:23:29.000 It's not like she's a former federal employee.

00:23:31.000 She's speaking out, which is very, very rare.

00:23:33.000 She has skin in the game, Charlie.

00:23:35.000 She could get fired for this.

00:23:36.000 Although, I spoke with Catherine Bond at HHS, and she actually spoke to me for 30 minutes on the phone yesterday.

00:23:43.000 But here's what Rhoda said: She said, The sponsor can hold up an order of deportation, the sponsor of these children.

00:23:49.000 They can hold that order of deportation up to a migrant child and say, This is your order of deportation.

00:23:54.000 If you do not do what I say, when I say, I'm going to call ICE on you myself.

00:23:59.000 So, Tara said that we, the taxpayers, are paying to put children in the hands of criminals, and the government knows it.

00:24:07.000 They have the addresses of these people, they know who are doing the trafficking, and nothing is happening.

00:24:14.000 And that's why Tara came forward to blow the whistle because they know the names and numbers of these people.

00:24:20.000 I mean, she showed me their faces, but nobody's being prosecuted.

00:24:24.000 In fact, the HHS lawyer said, Well, we don't get sued by these traffickers, so we don't really have anything to worry about.

00:24:30.000 It's just an example of how broken it is.

00:24:33.000 And the only way this is going to change is if we expose it, which now the video has millions of views on Twitter.

00:24:38.000 Thanks, Elon Musk, for getting Project Veritas back on Twitter so we can publish this actual journalism.

00:24:44.000 Very few people are doing actual journalism and telling these stories and getting the exposure.

00:24:49.000 I think at least Charlie, the state authorities, the Texas Attorney General, and now the Florida Attorney General, those are the two states this is happening in, will do something about it.

00:24:58.000 I sure hope so.

00:24:59.000 So, walk us through part two, which involves social security fraud.

00:25:03.000 Yeah, in this part two of this video we released yesterday, you actually see a guy admitting to the social security fraud.

00:25:14.000 He says he gets a fake social security card.

00:25:16.000 And this is again in Florida.

00:25:18.000 She gave us addresses for both Florida and Texas.

00:25:21.000 This is where this was happening.

00:25:23.000 This is an underage guy.

00:25:26.000 We redacted his last name.

00:25:28.000 We don't want to put full names of these underage children, but he said he was started working to pay and cancel his debt.

00:25:35.000 He said he can't work here legally.

00:25:37.000 He holds up the small piece of paper that you get to be able to apply for a job, a social security guard.

00:25:42.000 He says you just call the person, he comes to your home and brings it.

00:25:46.000 Young man named Frander says he was forced to pay $150 to obtain a fake social security card when he got to the United States under the sponsorship program.

00:25:55.000 He began studying and working.

00:25:57.000 He went to school for six months.

00:25:59.000 He would go to work at 4 p.m. and get out at 2 a.m.

00:26:02.000 So it's an example of the sort of child labor exploitation.

00:26:07.000 They make you work wherever they take you. 0.88

00:26:09.000 This is not just sexploitation, it's manual labor exploitation.

00:26:14.000 Most people, this sponsorship program was intended, people originally thought to bring these children in with families and reuniting children with their families.

00:26:23.000 In fact, that's not the case, the whistleblower tells us.

00:26:26.000 And it's a terrible thing.

00:26:27.000 You look at these children.

00:26:28.000 You can see it in the video there.

00:26:30.000 They're teenagers, 12, 13, 14 years old.

00:26:32.000 They've never been to school.

00:26:34.000 They can't read.

00:26:34.000 Some of the children don't even speak Spanish.

00:26:37.000 They speak a native dialect of Guatemalan.

00:26:39.000 So we're really Project Veritas taking you really in to see how broken the system is.

00:26:46.000 It has drifted away from its original intent.

00:26:49.000 And you compare and contrast that with what the White House press secretary says or what our elected officials say about how secure the border is.

00:26:57.000 It's just mind-boggling.

00:27:02.000 Well, you've done wonderful work at Project Veritas exposing this, James.

00:27:05.000 It's just this is this should make you fuming with anger what our government is doing.

00:27:11.000 And they don't care. 0.96

00:27:13.000 They are sex trafficking children that then become teenage prostitutes to go pay off cartel debts. 0.99

00:27:19.000 That's right. 0.99

00:27:20.000 That's exactly right.

00:27:21.000 And I look forward to seeing you at the turning point next month.

00:27:25.000 And I hope everyone will consider donating to Project Veritas because this journalism is expensive and necessary.

00:27:31.000 Well, very good.

00:27:32.000 Check out Project Veritas.

00:27:33.000 Terrific.

00:27:34.000 Thank you, James.

00:27:34.000 I appreciate it.

00:27:36.000 Thank you.

00:27:39.000 Your opinion, your thought of the 2024 horse race certainly is something that I get a lot of questions about every event I go to.

00:27:48.000 Charlie, what's your opinion?

00:27:49.000 What's your opinion?

00:27:50.000 And I've said my perspective is I am behind Donald Trump, but I'm also very pro-DeSantis.

00:27:57.000 I don't like any of the negative DeSantis stuff.

00:27:59.000 I think DeSantis is a once-in-a-generation leader.

00:28:03.000 I really do.

00:28:05.000 DeSantis is special.

00:28:06.000 I'm pro-America first and foremost, by the way.

00:28:09.000 I'm interested kind of in this survey.

00:28:11.000 This one person says, Charlie, I just don't think Trump's heart is in it.

00:28:15.000 I don't know.

00:28:16.000 Another person says, Charlie, I'm 100% behind Trump.

00:28:20.000 I don't think we should even entertain the idea of DeSantis.

00:28:26.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:28:28.000 If Ron DeSantis were to run for president, which I have no idea if he's going to run for president or not.

00:28:35.000 If Ron DeSantis were to run for president, one of the sharpest critiques of President Trump will be the fact that Anthony Fauci stayed around as long as he did.

00:28:48.000 Anthony Fauci is still running his mouth.

00:28:52.000 Let's go to cut five: Anthony Fauci talking about how Republicans politicize COVID.

00:28:57.000 Play cut five.

00:28:59.000 They've clearly politicized it.

00:29:00.000 You know, they say that I'm not political at all, period.

00:29:04.000 I've never been.

00:29:05.000 But it is very clear when people are running their campaigns with an anti-Fauci element to it.

00:29:12.000 I'm not going to get involved.

00:29:13.000 I didn't get involved before in the politics and I'm not going to get involved now.

00:29:18.000 Continues, he says that the reason why we couldn't get to the root of the problem, it was the Trump administration's anti-China.

00:29:25.000 If Ron DeSantis were to run for president, President Trump would have to navigate, and I think he would do a fine job, but it would be a challenge of why on earth did you keep Anthony Fauci around so long?

00:29:38.000 Play cut four.

00:29:40.000 The anti-China approach that clearly the Trump administration had right from the very beginning and the accusatory nature, the Chinese are going to flinch back and say, no, I'm sorry, we're not going to talk to you about it, which is not correct.

00:29:53.000 But they're not talking to the Biden administration about it either.

00:29:56.000 Exactly.

00:29:56.000 I think that horse is out of the barn, and they're very suspicious of anybody trying to accuse them.

00:30:02.000 We need to have an open dialogue with their scientists and our scientists.

00:30:08.000 Keep the politics out of it.

00:30:10.000 If DeSantis were to run for president, just based on my connection to our audience and speaking to you and listening to you, I would say that the one issue that would probably be the greatest challenge for Donald Trump that he would have to navigate is some of the personnel that he selected in his administration.

00:30:31.000 I think even the strongest pro-Trump members of our audience completely agree.

00:30:36.000 And by the way, the emails are flooding in very pro-Trump.

00:30:42.000 Very much so.

00:30:43.000 100% behind Trump, 100% behind Trump.

00:30:45.000 So one person says, I used to be behind Trump.

00:30:48.000 However, now I really want DeSantis.

00:30:50.000 I do not think that Trump can win.

00:30:53.000 I'm just curious to kind of see where you're at.

00:30:55.000 So I could just keep a pulse on, because you guys are the grassroots of the grassroots.

00:30:59.000 I take my orders from you, from the audience, in the sense of you guys have collective, a lot more collective wisdom than I ever could.

00:31:07.000 But I think it's very interesting.

00:31:09.000 There's plenty of strong, there's a lot of anti-Trump sentiments, too, but it definitely, I would say that Trump definitely is the favorite.

00:31:18.000 But Trump would have to explain in the 2024 horse race, which is down the road, but it's interesting to think about.

00:31:25.000 Why did he keep so many of these snakes around the administration?

00:31:30.000 I think that would be the greatest challenge for him, his personnel.

00:31:33.000 You got John Bolton, Amarosa, Rex Tillerson, Bill Barr, one after the other, after the other, Anthony Fauci, Dr. Deborah Burks.

00:31:45.000 As Rush Limbaugh would say, and he never said anything negative about Donald Trump.

00:31:53.000 He said, Donald Trump's personnel selections at times are puzzling.

00:32:01.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:03.000 Email me your thoughts as always: Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:32:06.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:32:08.000 God bless.

00:32:12.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 02, 2022

The Department of Health and Human Trafficking with James O'Keefe and Vivek Ramaswamy

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