The Charlie Kirk Show - The Difference Between A Martyr and a Jihadist

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome.

00:01:11.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:12.000 Hour two is underway.

00:01:15.000 We are joined in studio by the voice you just heard.

00:01:18.000 Pastor Andrew Sedra, you are lead pastor of Echo Church in Sydney, Australia.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.97

00:01:24.000 The socialist gay Islamic state on the other side of the world. 0.99

00:01:27.000 So that's my first question. 1.00

00:01:29.000 Is Australia fake and gay? 1.00

00:01:31.000 It is very gay, very liberal, very nice. 0.99

00:01:34.000 We have very good coffee down there.

00:01:36.000 Beautiful weather, beautiful beaches.

00:01:38.000 Yeah, beautiful people and a beautiful culture.

00:01:42.000 And you've got the Australian Open happening right now.

00:01:45.000 And that's the saddest thing about it, though, is if you take Australia, you could say this big country is basically perfect.

00:01:50.000 It's not overpopulated.

00:01:51.000 It has endless natural resources.

00:01:53.000 Everyone can live like a happily ever off to Ireland.

00:01:56.000 But then they thought, how could we mess this up?

00:01:59.000 Why don't we, well, we're going to talk about that here.

00:02:01.000 Why don't we import problems?

00:02:03.000 Well, we have.

00:02:04.000 Listen, we've got whatever problems Australia has, maybe not proportionally per capita, but we have just as many and millions more.

00:02:13.000 So I want to start with a provocative question here, though, because you are a pastor, and we will get to Australia in just a second.

00:02:20.000 But the left is turning Alex Predi and Renee Goode.

00:02:25.000 You're aware of these stories, into martyrs.

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:30.000 I believe Charlie is a martyr.

00:02:32.000 He's a Christian martyr.

00:02:33.000 He's a freedom of speech martyr, an American martyr. 0.99

00:02:37.000 What is the difference between, let's say, an activist that does something stupid, gets himselves into a situation, maybe the cops, maybe it wasn't the best shot. 0.99

00:02:47.000 I'm willing to concede that ground. 0.97

00:02:49.000 But they obviously were provoking and they were obstructing law enforcement.

00:02:54.000 What's the difference between a martyr and a jihadist?

00:02:57.000 The reality is a jihadist dies for the sake of his political agenda.

00:03:04.000 And look, Charlie Kirk died for faith, family, freedom.

00:03:08.000 It was very clear boundaries and reality.

00:03:11.000 He didn't die trying to stop a police.

00:03:13.000 He didn't die trying to shoot a police.

00:03:15.000 He didn't try to obstruct law, force, and order.

00:03:19.000 He died for faith.

00:03:20.000 He was literally proclaiming his faith a few minutes before about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

00:03:24.000 He died for freedom.

00:03:25.000 You could clearly see the shirt.

00:03:27.000 He literally got shot while speaking and he died for family.

00:03:31.000 That's kind of the most controversial.

00:03:33.000 But the problem is we have at the moment because people have lost their moral conscience.

00:03:36.000 We are putting all things together and creating all the things without actually realizing what did the actual person die for.

00:03:45.000 We need to actually understand.

00:03:46.000 And they died for believing the world is this big, happy, safe space where there's no nations, there's no boundaries, there's no borders, which if you're a Christian, you can't really believe that. 0.97

00:03:56.000 We do believe in boundary nations. 0.61

00:03:58.000 So we really have to look at the cause and the because of the martyrdom in order to understand, and more than anything, what was happening the moment they got murdered.

00:04:07.000 Charlie Kirk was literally speaking in a microphone, trying to debate his ideas.

00:04:12.000 Those people are doing crazy things, creating complexity in an already volatile space.

00:04:18.000 So we do need to teach people to gain the moral conscience because you saw even with George Floyd.

00:04:23.000 Like George Floyd was a criminal committing a crime.

00:04:27.000 He died in the process of committing a crime.

00:04:30.000 How do you put Charlie and George Floyd, all the people that were like Black Lives Matter, but it was very controversial for them to speak about Charlie Kirk's death?

00:04:38.000 It makes you wonder it's like people need to really recalibrate the moral conscience and definitions in order to realize what is a martyr and what is a jihadist.

00:04:48.000 And we have now the gay jihadist, the immigration jihadist, the Islamic, we have every type of jihadist now. 0.63

00:04:54.000 And by the way, just because the reason I framed it that way, for people who aren't familiar with your background, is you specialize in calling out the dangers of Islam. 1.00

00:05:04.000 So give your backstory and why that is a central message for you.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, so I grew up in the Islamic world of Egypt under soft Sharia law.

00:05:14.000 So Sharia law is a thing.

00:05:16.000 It's in every single Islamic state in the whole entire world, the 54 of them, they have Sharia law.

00:05:21.000 So unlike what conservatives will tell you, Sharia law is a conspiracy. 0.94

00:05:25.000 I wish it was.

00:05:26.000 It's not.

00:05:26.000 That's why literally my family escaped the Islamic world of Egypt because of apostasy laws and because of blasphemy laws.

00:05:34.000 True story.

00:05:35.000 I visited Egypt and I found a book in a bookstore in Luxor.

00:05:39.000 And it was some professor in Egypt.

00:05:41.000 It was very beautiful.

00:05:42.000 And a professor argued, it was a book he wrote arguing that Egypt showed the model way for Christians and Muslims to coexist.

00:05:50.000 But I guess you probably wouldn't agree with him, would you?

00:05:51.000 Coexist, coexist.

00:05:53.000 Well, when Islam says peace, they mean war. 1.00

00:05:55.000 When they say equality, they mean Islamic supremacy. 1.00

00:06:00.000 When Islam says freedom, they mean tyranny. 1.00

00:06:02.000 That's why them and the left, they're like the best buddies to get married.

00:06:06.000 You know, Queen's for Palestine, gays for Gaza, or you can see now the Red-Green Alliance. 0.97

00:06:10.000 It's perfect because both of them use language to not communicate, but to manipulate.

00:06:16.000 So they're going to use your language, your vocabulary, your ideology.

00:06:20.000 Like, for example, this is one of the most controversial things.

00:06:22.000 People say American Muslim.

00:06:24.000 As someone who escaped the Islamic world, saying American Muslim is an oxymoron. 0.85

00:06:29.000 It's like saying trans women are women, or it's like saying men can get pregnant. 0.73

00:06:33.000 America is about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. 0.99

00:06:35.000 Islam is about death, tyranny, and jihad. 1.00

00:06:38.000 That is the theological. 0.99

00:06:39.000 And conquering.

00:06:40.000 And conquering.

00:06:40.000 Which is, I guess, jihad.

00:06:42.000 So the big question I think we have at the moment coming from the Middle East, so I escaped Islam to the Western world to come here to find them rising, taking over, and running a propaganda campaign. 1.00

00:06:52.000 Islam means peace.

00:06:54.000 I'm like, what?

00:06:55.000 Then why am I here to begin with?

00:06:57.000 And I think this is kind of my warning to America, particularly the conservatives that are unable to actually understand what's happening in the Islamic world.

00:07:06.000 I always tell Americans, America is an exceptional country.

00:07:08.000 But make sure American exceptionalism doesn't become American narcissism, where you look at Israel or the Middle East or all the Islamic world through the lens of Christendom.

00:07:18.000 You have to look at Islam through the lens of Islam, not project your American lovey-dovey like George Bush did.

00:07:25.000 We're going to free Iraq. 1.00

00:07:26.000 I'm like, dude, Muslims don't want freedom in Iraq. 1.00

00:07:28.000 The problem, yeah, you want their freedom.

00:07:30.000 They don't want them.

00:07:31.000 So even if you remove whatever Islamic secular dictator, they're going to vote for a worse dictator. 0.98

00:07:37.000 Well, this is this idea of Tabila Rasa, right?

00:07:37.000 Yeah.

00:07:40.000 Where all of humanity are blank slates.

00:07:43.000 Their culture that they were steeped in as a kid no longer matters.

00:07:46.000 We can make them lovers of democracy.

00:07:49.000 We can spread democracy.

00:07:51.000 And the lesson of the 21st century is that that is a giant, huge propaganda lie.

00:07:57.000 You were being gaslit to think that people, their cultures and their religions do not matter, that they can be assimilated into a Western frame of reference and a frame of mind.

00:08:07.000 No, and this is actually, I would say, I'm still working this out, but you know, Charlie, I think, had it completely worked out.

00:08:13.000 The West is Christendom.

00:08:15.000 The West is Christendom.

00:08:17.000 So, when you look at who you want to come into your country, if you are a Western nation, even if you are not a believer, even if you hate Christianity, you are blessed by the culture of Christianity, by our laws, by the customs, by the turns of phrases, by our language, by everything about this culture that you love is undergirded by a Christian heritage. 0.95

00:08:37.000 And so, please.

00:08:38.000 And freedom is fundamentally a Christian concept.

00:08:41.000 It's not a gay concept.

00:08:42.000 It's not a liberal concept.

00:08:43.000 It's not an American concept.

00:08:44.000 It's fundamentally a Christian concept.

00:08:46.000 The Bible said, and you'll know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

00:08:50.000 There is no coincidence why America and the Western world are the only nations with that dictatorship.

00:08:56.000 The Buddhist world is not free. 0.98

00:08:57.000 The Islamic world is not free. 1.00

00:08:59.000 The pagan world is not free. 1.00

00:09:01.000 The communist, godless, government-worshipping world is not free.

00:09:06.000 America, you have to understand what makes you is Christendom.

00:09:11.000 So, the problem we have at the moment, we are importing people from the Islamic world that believe in Quran, Sharia law, and no matter how moderate of a Muslim you are, you still don't believe in freedom. 1.00

00:09:22.000 So, Egypt is a very moderate Muslim country.

00:09:25.000 Like, you don't just get killed on the street.

00:09:27.000 But we have apostasy laws which are designed. 0.60

00:09:30.000 If a Muslim becomes a Christian, they go to jail for five to eight years. 1.00

00:09:34.000 That's also in Qatar.

00:09:35.000 That's also in Saudi Arabia.

00:09:36.000 Saudi Arabia will actually be a faith.

00:09:37.000 But a Christian can become a Muslim easily.

00:09:39.000 Exactly, because it's all about Islamic supremacy. 1.00

00:09:41.000 When Islam say freedom, they mean tyranny. 1.00

00:09:45.000 When they say equality, they love to use that word, he Ilan Omar and the Somalian crowd, 99.999% Muslim, they mean Islamic supremacy. 0.89

00:09:53.000 So, no matter where you go in the whole entire world, freedom is fundamentally a Christian concept.

00:10:00.000 Charlie Kirk nailed it.

00:10:01.000 Islam will be the sword that he literally posted that one day from before. 0.99

00:10:05.000 He slits the throat of the West. 0.74

00:10:06.000 And I do think America needs to re-recalibrate that so you don't lose land of the free and home of the brave.

00:10:13.000 It's so bizarre because you look at the Middle East and Islam is declining in some of those countries.

00:10:20.000 And then the fundamentalism is rising in the West.

00:10:21.000 And it just starts straight up feels like they've exported a lot of fundamentalists. 0.74

00:10:24.000 And you'll hear the worst preachers in London, not in Riyadh necessarily.

00:10:29.000 It looks like the man was charged for rushing Representative Ilhan Omar and took a syringe and sprayed her with apple cider.

00:10:37.000 I did get a kick out of the idea where we should have the federal government investigate this as an attack on a federal lawmaker and take it very seriously and see if anything else comes out.

00:10:45.000 But I suspect it's exactly what it looks like on the tenth.

00:10:48.000 I suspect.

00:10:49.000 And that's my favorite phrase.

00:10:50.000 Anyway, but we have a great clip.

00:10:51.000 We were just talking about how the West is Christendom.

00:10:55.000 Basically, everyone in the West is a Christian, even the atheists. 0.94

00:10:58.000 And if they don't realize it or they don't like it, but Charlie has a great clip on this.

00:11:01.000 Let's play 469.

00:11:03.000 The spiritual battle is coming to the West.

00:11:06.000 And the enemies are wokeism or Marxism combining with Islamism to go after what we call the American way of life. 0.82

00:11:13.000 And the American way of life is very simple. 0.99

00:11:15.000 I want to be able to get married, buy a home, have kids, allow them to ride their bike till the sun goes down, send them to a good school, have a low-crime neighborhood, not to have my kid be taught the lesbian, gay, transgender garbage in their school. 1.00

00:11:33.000 While also, while also not having them have to hear the Muslim call to prayer five times a day, that's important. 0.98

00:11:45.000 We want the American way of life, which is, by the way, Christendom. 0.78

00:11:51.000 He said it Christendom like that.

00:11:53.000 Wow, he really had to work in on that.

00:11:55.000 No, it was so prophetic.

00:11:57.000 I know, I know.

00:11:59.000 And, you know, you look, you've got to look back at the last days of Charlie Kirk and realize that I believe, you know, God numbers our days.

00:12:09.000 So God knew, even though we're all still adjusting to this brave new world, but God knew.

00:12:15.000 And I just, I know that God was speaking to him.

00:12:19.000 And I know that God was raising almost like the final battle lines of probably the rest of this century.

00:12:26.000 That's what I believe.

00:12:28.000 It was incredible to see how much he grew over time, but even just in those last three months, what he was shifting and what he was focusing on, what he wanted to say, what he made sure he said when he got the opportunity to do it.

00:12:39.000 It was affordability.

00:12:40.000 Affordability for the next generation, realizing that the gains that we had in 2024 were not set up.

00:12:45.000 It's such a long view of the attitude on things.

00:12:48.000 Step away from the day-to-day politics, which is a grind, which is annoying, which is distractions, and say this is the stuff that's going to matter in 20 years, in 50 years, in a thousand years.

00:12:57.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 And you can see that clearly in New York, the Marxist-Islamic Alliance, the Socialist Jihadist Alliance, the biggest existential threats to America is socialism and Islam.

00:13:07.000 Islam is because of immigration and socialism because of the lack of affordability of homes. 1.00

00:13:12.000 We're seeing that across Australia.

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00:15:16.000 So this concept that, you know, like I said, God numbers our days.

00:15:20.000 God knew, and I believe God was speaking to Charlie, and Charlie was focusing on the rise of Islam, and you mentioned that haunting tweet where he says, you know, Islam is... 0.66

00:15:31.000 That was the day before the assassination.

00:15:32.000 It was a prophetic picture of what has yet to happen.

00:15:36.000 Crazy.

00:15:38.000 Secondly, he was talking about this fork in the road.

00:15:43.000 Mangioneism and Mamdaniism versus MAGA, MAGA, right?

00:15:48.000 And so please expound on that because you see this in Australia as well.

00:15:53.000 It's happening.

00:15:54.000 The socialist liberal godless left could not really shift and change the culture as they wish.

00:16:00.000 So they had to import the votes from the end of the world.

00:16:04.000 They found a perfect alliance between Islam and socialism, between violent Islam and godless leftism. 0.99

00:16:11.000 And that unholy alliance is the friend, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. 0.95

00:16:16.000 We can clearly see Zuhram Bibtani is an Muslim who is quits for Palestine, who's gays for Gaza, where if you take those gays together, they will not be alive for very, very long. 0.98

00:16:27.000 But that alliance hinges on the reality. 0.97

00:16:29.000 Islam and godless leftism, it hates Christianity because it hates freedom. 1.00

00:16:34.000 It hates freedom, and that is the reason it hates America. 0.98

00:16:37.000 And it hates success.

00:16:38.000 It's so resentful at how great of a country America has been, how great the West has been.

00:16:44.000 And that's kind of, I think, the great thing that binds them together when they have so many rational reasons to hate each other.

00:16:50.000 It's this resentment-driven ideology.

00:16:52.000 Why does Islam despise the West? 0.74

00:16:55.000 Islam sees itself as a warrior religion.

00:16:57.000 It's founded in warfare.

00:16:58.000 Muhammad is a warrior.

00:16:59.000 The early Muslims are warriors.

00:17:01.000 And they win.

00:17:01.000 They win over and over.

00:17:02.000 Except they didn't in Europe.

00:17:04.000 Well, they didn't, but they made it.

00:17:04.000 They spread all over the world overnight.

00:17:07.000 You can understand how they would say, God must have done this because we conquered.

00:17:11.000 And then for the last 600 years, they've just been getting wrecked over and over again.

00:17:15.000 They fell behind.

00:17:17.000 So they're very upset about this.

00:17:18.000 And it's the same way that this is why they hate Israel so much.

00:17:21.000 Israel just beats them in every conflict ever. 0.98

00:17:23.000 Because they're just better at science and technology.

00:17:25.000 Yes.

00:17:25.000 Islam is a very better at science by technology and a better society.

00:17:29.000 They fight better.

00:17:30.000 Yeah, sorry, I'm into interaction.

00:17:32.000 And so that's the Islamic half. 0.64

00:17:33.000 And then you have the Marxist half, which is that it's that classic bio-Leninism thing.

00:17:38.000 It's a lot of people, they're resentful.

00:17:40.000 Why am I not in charge of things?

00:17:41.000 Why am I not super wealthy?

00:17:43.000 Why do I have to have a job and work?

00:17:47.000 It's this screaming rage of people who see a functional middle-class family and they can't handle it.

00:17:53.000 And they go off the deep end.

00:17:54.000 You know, it just occurred to me the humility of a capitalist system.

00:17:58.000 The humility that is willing to say, we are not going to try and engineer the results.

00:18:04.000 That we understand hierarchies are inevitable, right?

00:18:08.000 That we understand, you know, people born at the same position with the same parents are going to end up in different countries.

00:18:14.000 If you don't work, you don't eat.

00:18:15.000 As Winston Churchill said, socialism is a gospel of envy.

00:18:20.000 And I love Charlie's favorite four words, earn it.

00:18:23.000 Capitalism is the gospel of earn it.

00:18:25.000 If you don't work, you don't eat.

00:18:27.000 The Bible said a man who doesn't work and doesn't provide for his family, he's worse than an unbeliever. 1.00

00:18:32.000 But that's a problem.

00:18:33.000 People want results without work.

00:18:35.000 They want the fruit without the pathway.

00:18:37.000 So you end up with this very utopian gospel, the gospel of socialism.

00:18:42.000 And dude, you guys need to look at Australia because we're socialist.

00:18:46.000 We're socialists all the way.

00:18:47.000 So you don't need to visit.

00:18:49.000 The thing is about America, you don't need to trial stuff.

00:18:52.000 You already have Europe, you already have UK, you already have France, and you already have Sydney.

00:18:57.000 So Sydney, we're the second most expensive first world country state to live in in the whole entire world.

00:19:03.000 We're more expensive than Hong Kong.

00:19:05.000 So in Australia, we have 275 acres per person.

00:19:09.000 So it's a lot of land, as you said.

00:19:11.000 We are very resourceful.

00:19:13.000 We have uranium, we have cobalt, we have minerals, we have everything in the whole entire world that we literally have now.

00:19:19.000 A socialist government is literally sucking up the economy dry.

00:19:23.000 The average house is 13.5, the average wage.

00:19:28.000 So in order for you to buy a house in Australia, you need 30 years to save for that.

00:19:32.000 Why can't you?

00:19:33.000 I feel like Australia should be able to build houses.

00:19:36.000 It seems like they have space. 0.95

00:19:37.000 Socialism is ugly.

00:19:39.000 So the difference between us and America after World War II, we took the welfare state road.

00:19:44.000 America took the capitalism, free market, work hard, make it happen.

00:19:49.000 Wall Street Journal, New York, Paradox Green Office run by socialists now.

00:19:54.000 You guys took that hard work road.

00:19:56.000 We took the welfare state, big government socialism road, us in England.

00:20:01.000 And now we're at the end of it.

00:20:02.000 You can't build anything.

00:20:03.000 You can't do anything.

00:20:04.000 You can't buy a house.

00:20:07.000 The fuel here is everything in America is very cheap.

00:20:10.000 We get taxed 45% of the big topic here is affordability and inflation.

00:20:15.000 Hold on, we get taxed too, though, really bad.

00:20:18.000 No, but it's but it's then okay.

00:20:19.000 But if you're in California, then you might have another, if you're the top bracket, you might have another 13%.

00:20:25.000 So essentially.

00:20:26.000 And in America, I think that what there is really bad is the sense that your taxes go to services you 100% can't use.

00:20:33.000 So if you're in a huge portion of America, you pay a large amount of taxes for public schools, and the public schools are functionally unusable to you if you are a responsible parent.

00:20:43.000 And then you pay the double tax of often private schooling.

00:20:46.000 Yeah, well, by the way, that's beyond your income tax.

00:20:50.000 That is a property tax.

00:20:52.000 Property tax.

00:20:52.000 And then you have property tax on top of income taxes or state taxes to subsidize public transport that you feel is unsafe to use.

00:20:59.000 And then, never mind, all the you know, Infinity Somali daycares, Infinity Autism Center.

00:21:04.000 Wait, we have stuff all over Australia.

00:21:06.000 Everything is for free.

00:21:07.000 It's not.

00:21:08.000 This is a reality, and that's where Christendom provides the framework.

00:21:11.000 If God asks people for 10% of their income, how dare the government ask for 30 to 50%?

00:21:18.000 This is why the more America drives away from Christendom, the more taxation you will have.

00:21:25.000 Godlessness produces atheism.

00:21:27.000 Atheism produces Darwinism.

00:21:29.000 Darwinism in politics becomes socialism because you need to help the little monkey that can't help himself because the big guy, the big corporate guy, is the lion that's controlling the jungle.

00:21:40.000 So we kind of need to make the system equitable.

00:21:43.000 So the reality is, the more America goes away from church, the more taxation you're going to have.

00:21:50.000 And the more governmental, unethical, immoral spending.

00:21:53.000 And we're watching that in Australia.

00:21:55.000 The less church attendance, our church attends Australia, it's 5%.

00:21:59.000 In America, 30%.

00:22:01.000 The less people go to church, the more taxes we get.

00:22:05.000 There is a correlation between socialism and atheism, Christianity and low taxation, because in Christianity, we believe in self-government, individual liberty.

00:22:16.000 It's your money.

00:22:17.000 If you don't work, you don't eat.

00:22:18.000 We believe that we want families to own homes.

00:22:21.000 We want young people to build wealth.

00:22:24.000 The Bible said a godly person leaves inheritance for the generation.

00:22:28.000 We don't want to tax people's wealth.

00:22:29.000 We want families that work hard to build their wealth, pass the legacy from generation to generation.

00:22:34.000 So the reality is we need a recalibration of our economical philosophical system to realize if God asks for 10%, I believe anything beyond 10% from government is theft.

00:22:48.000 I totally agree.

00:22:49.000 I totally agree.

00:22:50.000 And I think what we've seen, especially with the Somali fraud rings, is that the more you bloat your government, the more you grow it, the more bad actors are going to come in and they're going to bilk you. 1.00

00:22:59.000 The graft will just grow and increase.

00:23:02.000 And I mean, I completely agree with the less churched, the more socialist.

00:23:07.000 It's a complete correlation.

00:23:08.000 By the way, the less church, the less children, the less marriages, the less, you know, businesses, candidly.

00:23:14.000 So I'm with you 100%.

00:23:16.000 So I wanted to keep you just a little bit longer here, Andrew, because, you know, Pastor Andrew Sedra, by the way, pastor out of Sydney, which is really, really fun.

00:23:26.000 You guys close with Charlie.

00:23:28.000 Iran, tell us what you know about Iran because there's, I mean, we're hearing reports that there's like tens and tens of thousands of dead protesters.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, so Iran is a very interesting case study.

00:23:38.000 And I think America needs to watch it very closely because you had the gay socialist communist alliance in 1979 mixed with Islam. 0.82

00:23:46.000 So you literally had the Zahra Mandani moment.

00:23:49.000 So that was 1979.

00:23:50.000 You had the very weak president, Jimmy Carter, who ended up supporting the revolution.

00:23:55.000 And before you know it, Iran went from a secular gay state like New York to a Muslim state. 0.98

00:24:00.000 So Iran, it's one of those very sad, horrific cases of a reasonably free, prosperous nation falling into Islamic jihad only 50 years ago.

00:24:12.000 Now, Iran, it's again, it's different from the Middle East because it has been Muslim only for 50 years. 1.00

00:24:18.000 So Islam is there by power, top down, but at the bottom, they're not fully there yet. 1.00

00:24:24.000 So it's different to Egypt.

00:24:25.000 Egypt became Muslim in 600 AD, so it has been Muslim for 1400 years.

00:24:30.000 So 70 to 80 people in Egypt want Sharia law.

00:24:33.000 So you want to, if George Bush wants to free Egypt, people are not interested.

00:24:37.000 It's like when you gave Gazan the freedoms to vote and they voted for Hamas.

00:24:41.000 It's like, what the heck?

00:24:42.000 That was the first and last election they ever had.

00:24:44.000 So Iran is in that. 0.93

00:24:46.000 It's a very technical spot.

00:24:49.000 It's very strategic from a world P of E because if it becomes more free, you kind of have more power in that region.

00:24:56.000 China is very connected to Iran.

00:24:58.000 It really is the axis that hold the power across the region.

00:25:01.000 So I think it's a very complicated one.

00:25:03.000 I would love Iran to be free, but you got the Islamic jihadist, you got the communist, the communist regime somewhere there. 0.90

00:25:12.000 Like if you tomorrow kill that guy, the main guy, and you destabilize the region, we don't actually know who's going to rise.

00:25:17.000 But then you also have the underground church, which is growing.

00:25:21.000 And it is.

00:25:22.000 By the way, I just spent time with a pastor that's doing street evangelism there.

00:25:25.000 And he said after Charlie died, it's like they're all lions.

00:25:28.000 They were so bold, like lions going out in the street in Iran.

00:25:31.000 And we have one minute left, and we got to switch over.

00:25:34.000 I just wanted to give you a time.

00:25:35.000 Yeah, so you got that mixed mixed with the current young people revolting.

00:25:40.000 They want freedom.

00:25:41.000 Again, Americans, you're building mosques in New York and Florida and in Texas. 0.95

00:25:46.000 Look what's happening over there. 0.98

00:25:48.000 That Islamic dictator is killing thousands of people. 1.00

00:25:52.000 And you need to understand, it's cold blood. 0.98

00:25:53.000 People have been protesting free Palestine, free Palestine, free, free Palestine.

00:25:57.000 I'm like, dude, Iran has killed at least the same people, not in war against their citizens in three weeks.

00:26:05.000 And to be conservative, 10K.

00:26:08.000 It's probably way more than that.

00:26:09.000 But I think Iran is a warning to America of we need to deal with Islam and socialism because it was 1979. 1.00

00:26:16.000 It's not the ancient world.

00:26:17.000 And secondary quickly, yeah, we need to pray for Iran.

00:26:22.000 It breaks my heart coming from that world, watching people fight for the freedom.

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00:27:27.000 All right, so we have some amazing students that have joined us.

00:27:31.000 We have Haley Ron, Canyon Del Pro, Club American President.

00:27:36.000 Emma Arms, University of Tennessee, Knoxville president.

00:27:39.000 Edward, I'm going to say this wrong, Bokey, I believe, Minnesota Connection Academy and Inver Hills Community College, and Caroline Maddox, University of Georgia president.

00:27:51.000 Welcome to the show to our students.

00:27:53.000 Hello there.

00:27:54.000 Hey, thank you.

00:27:55.000 Hi, how's it going?

00:27:56.000 It's going great.

00:27:58.000 So listen, we like to do these segments from time to time because hearing from students is really important.

00:28:04.000 Get your perspective on where you're at, what you're thinking, what you're seeing.

00:28:08.000 So I'm going to start with Edward.

00:28:09.000 This is Minnesota Connection Academy and Inver Hills Community College.

00:28:15.000 You know, a lot of the news right now is about ICE.

00:28:18.000 It's about DHS, Minneapolis, Minnesota.

00:28:22.000 Tell me what your thoughts are on, you know, it would be Alex Predi.

00:28:27.000 So he's packing firearm.

00:28:30.000 He initiates an altercation, a confrontation of some sorts with law enforcement.

00:28:35.000 Do you think that's a good idea?

00:28:36.000 What are kids saying?

00:28:37.000 What are you thinking?

00:28:38.000 Well, thank you, Andrew, for having me on.

00:28:40.000 I really appreciate it.

00:28:41.000 And I appreciate the question.

00:28:43.000 Simple answer.

00:28:45.000 It's a terrible idea to start an altercation with a firearm on you.

00:28:48.000 I recently turned 18.

00:28:50.000 I've been carrying every day since my birthday.

00:28:55.000 And I am never going to pick a fight with law enforcement with my firearm on me.

00:29:01.000 It's a terrible idea in the first place because these people are the good guys.

00:29:06.000 They are the ones preserving the cohesion of our society and upholding law and order.

00:29:12.000 And those are not the people that you should be starting an altercation with.

00:29:18.000 It's going to be deratory to the cohesion of our republic.

00:29:23.000 But then you add to that the betrayal of your Second Amendment liberties by putting law enforcement in a situation where they have to treat you as a greater threat, given you have a firearm and you're attempting to, and actually creating an escalated physical altercation.

00:29:43.000 It's a terrible idea all around, and I was disappointed to see that.

00:29:47.000 Alex Predi absolutely has a Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms and a First Amendment right to peacefully assemble.

00:29:57.000 And you can exercise both those rights together.

00:29:59.000 But he betrayed those liberties by starting an altercation with those law enforcement officers.

00:30:06.000 Thank you.

00:30:07.000 So I want to throw a question here to Haley.

00:30:09.000 First of all, thank you for coming on.

00:30:11.000 I know you have to be, it can be very nerve-wracking because you're the high schooler here.

00:30:16.000 So you're at Canyon del Oro in the Tucson, in Tucson, the Tucson area.

00:30:21.000 And I'm told you've been seeing anti-ICE walkouts in your, is it in your school itself, you can tell me?

00:30:28.000 And then that there's been, I guess, just describe the environment in a high school setting right now regarding ICE, regarding walkouts, regarding immigration generally.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, so our school personally has not had a walkout yet, but there's definitely, like in a lot of other schools, those have happened just around Tucson and Arizona themselves.

00:30:49.000 And then especially at my school, CDO, we just got Club America approved and it's been a big issue at school and everything.

00:30:58.000 Just things are super heightened.

00:31:00.000 And I think a big issue right now, just with high school students, is a lot of it, people are trying to frame it as civic engagement when really it's more a lot of what they're doing is just activism without any understanding.

00:31:12.000 So a lot of people are seeing this Club America, this Instagram post that we posted, just welcoming a new club, letting people be aware that this is happening.

00:31:21.000 And just the amount of just rude, uneducated hate comments, DMs I've gotten, just the gossip around school of what's going on.

00:31:29.000 It's these people haven't even given it a chance.

00:31:32.000 They don't even know really what this is about.

00:31:35.000 We haven't even had our first meeting yet.

00:31:36.000 And all these people are just giving so much hate and they just don't even really, most of them are not even educated.

00:31:43.000 They don't even know what's going on.

00:31:44.000 And so I think that's just been a big issue is a lot of just teachers and staff as well just kind of empowering these students, framing it, manipulating it as like civic engagement.

00:31:54.000 When really, I just think it's just activism without any understanding.

00:31:58.000 So is it just, is there any, is the school just overtly endorsing this?

00:32:03.000 Are the teachers all overtly endorsing it?

00:32:05.000 What's the, I guess for lack of a better term, what's the propaganda environment like within your school?

00:32:09.000 Yeah, so I definitely, a lot of issues that even came with starting Club America was actually through the teachers.

00:32:15.000 There were a lot of teachers who I had conversations with that just were not on board with this and are telling our students just that this is not, this is like a hateful thing that's going on.

00:32:27.000 It's not something that we should be having.

00:32:29.000 So a lot of it definitely starts with our staff and starts with our teachers and just not even giving us as students our own voice and our own opinion, but just shutting it down because they're in a position of authority.

00:32:40.000 And a lot of students like us, we rely on those teachers for grades and we have future ahead of us for college.

00:32:46.000 So we really don't want to upset the people who are kind of hold that authority over us.

00:32:51.000 So I think a lot of students are just following what the staff, what authority is telling us.

00:32:56.000 And so, yeah, just mainly with the staff just not allowing us, just thinking it's a terrible thing.

00:33:01.000 I know Tucson Unified School District even just sent out a message, the superintendent, saying that they may have to cancel school tomorrow because too many teachers are calling out for this protest against ICE.

00:33:13.000 Just things like that, where it's like, really, we have no control over what's going on because they hold the position.

00:33:18.000 They hold the authority at our schools.

00:33:21.000 Haley, I'm so, you know, I'm bummed out to hear that.

00:33:24.000 I'm sad for you, but I'm proud of you as well.

00:33:27.000 I'm very proud of you.

00:33:29.000 So keep up the good fight and keep your courage.

00:33:32.000 But I want to throw it to Pastor Andrew Cedric.

00:33:35.000 Maybe just give her a word of encouragement as they're facing this pushback.

00:33:38.000 You guys are amazing.

00:33:39.000 You guys are fighting the good fight.

00:33:41.000 You guys are leading by conviction and courage, just like Charlie Kirk.

00:33:46.000 We'll live in a moment of time where the left doesn't multiply in the bedroom.

00:33:49.000 They multiply in the classroom, as they always do.

00:33:51.000 And it is very encouraging watching you guys stand for your faith, stand for your freedom, and actually be like Daniel Shadrach, Michigan, and Bendigo.

00:34:00.000 Have faith in the midst of a culture where young people are fundamentally indoctrinated.

00:34:04.000 Good job.

00:34:05.000 You guys are going to be very amazing leaders that would change the world.

00:34:09.000 The fact that you're able to go against the grain, not go with the next social justice hype, it means that you have the potential and the anointing and the gift and the character to lead this nation to a very, very, very great place.

00:34:24.000 So I want to encourage you.

00:34:26.000 And I do think we need to kind of, we need an investigation across the West to the indoctrination of young people.

00:34:31.000 Because it's doesn't make sense.

00:34:31.000 I totally agree.

00:34:33.000 We've observed, you know, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, and we've seen it now, some comments made about Stephen Miller, about ICE agents.

00:34:42.000 It's public school teachers and nurses and sometimes doctors.

00:34:46.000 I don't know what it is, but these problems.

00:34:49.000 There's two professions.

00:34:50.000 There's just, yeah, you might just be a sheer numbers game.

00:34:54.000 The liberal empathy, nurturing of womenized type of roles, going in the wrong direction to think that your kid is their kid. 1.00

00:34:54.000 Certainly. 1.00

00:35:02.000 It's like, I want my kid to learn math and science, not gay agenda, immigration, and politics. 1.00

00:35:08.000 And that's why I think Charlie was murdered because he was literally changing the mind of those young people.

00:35:14.000 I want his agenda.

00:35:16.000 I want to loop in our other two chapter heads here.

00:35:18.000 I believe they're both chapter heads.

00:35:20.000 I don't know.

00:35:20.000 So Caroline or Emma here, either of you can take this.

00:35:24.000 You guys are on college campuses.

00:35:26.000 We saw last year there was a big swing of young people more towards sympathy towards Amega, towards President Trump, towards the message Charlie was selling.

00:35:36.000 We also see some evidence in the polls there might be a swing back.

00:35:39.000 They're very mercurial.

00:35:40.000 And so either of you can take this.

00:35:43.000 What is the environment you're seeing on campus, both overall and within more conservative spaces?

00:35:49.000 How are those students reacting to it?

00:35:51.000 Do they seem braver than you might have expected?

00:35:54.000 Are they getting intimidated like they might have been a few years ago?

00:35:57.000 I don't think there's a lot of intimidation here in Tennessee.

00:36:00.000 Luckily enough, we are a primarily conservative campus at the University of Tennessee, and most of Tennessee also is red throughout. 0.86

00:36:07.000 We don't see ICE officers being shot in Nashville.

00:36:10.000 We're actually seeing dropping numbers of murders in Memphis.

00:36:13.000 And that's mainly because we are a state that's not a sanctuary state.

00:36:18.000 We're not accepting migrants from illegal migrants to stay and exist in our state illegally. 1.00

00:36:26.000 So the students, however, have overwhelmingly let me know that they do not support having illegals in our country. 0.98

00:36:33.000 They are fully in support of ICE.

00:36:35.000 We do sometimes see some students who sort of stay behind the screen that would promote, you know, attacking ICE, but we haven't seen anything in Knoxville or the greater Tennessee area that would prove that.

00:36:49.000 And it's so Caroline as well, right?

00:36:52.000 University of Georgia.

00:36:53.000 So we've got Knoxville and Georgia.

00:36:54.000 I love it.

00:36:57.000 Athens is a little bit of a different scene right now.

00:37:00.000 I think we're seeing a lot of walkouts from classes, a lot of protests in the downtown area.

00:37:06.000 Students are not taking well to that scene in Minneapolis right now at all.

00:37:13.000 We have a lot of support for ICE as a club in general, but outside of the club, there's not a lot of support for ICE on this campus at all.

00:37:21.000 So what messages are they hearing?

00:37:24.000 Where are they getting this information?

00:37:27.000 Maybe just fill in some of the gaps there.

00:37:29.000 What's influencing these people?

00:37:31.000 It seems like most of the information is coming from misinformation on social media.

00:37:34.000 They see the clip video.

00:37:36.000 They don't see the full video.

00:37:38.000 They see kind of what they want to see instead of actually seeing and learning and educating themselves and doing the research.

00:37:45.000 I think we've also painted this picture of ICE for them or other people have as this super evil organization that's ripping children from their homes and ripping families apart.

00:37:55.000 And that's just not the case.

00:37:57.000 And I think we really have to do a better job of educating people on what ICE actually is and what they're actually doing.

00:38:03.000 But I mean, the scene here is really discouraging, but I would say there's so much support on campus for Charlie's legacy.

00:38:10.000 And a lot of people have really started to want to get involved after the passing of Charlie Kerr.

00:38:14.000 And it's truly inspiring.

00:38:16.000 And there's a lot of work here to do, but I'm really glad to be at the forefront of it and really blessed.

00:38:22.000 Let's go around the horn really quick.

00:38:23.000 I want to start back with you, Edward.

00:38:26.000 And just if, okay, we've got, this is a midterm year.

00:38:29.000 So, you know, I'm going to talk politics, but this is your personal opinion.

00:38:32.000 This is not C3 stuff, but personal opinion.

00:38:35.000 So you're on campus.

00:38:36.000 If you had a word for the administration heading into the midterms or candidates that are running, what are young kids, what do they care about on your campus?

00:38:46.000 What could the conservative movement do better right now?

00:38:49.000 Awesome.

00:38:49.000 Well, thank you for the question.

00:38:51.000 I think from what I've seen and the people that I'm associating with, it goes back to James Carville. 1.00

00:38:57.000 It's the economy stupid. 0.99

00:38:58.000 We want to make sure that the economy is strong going into midterms. 0.99

00:39:04.000 And then that's pretty much the biggest issue going into midterms that students want to make sure.

00:39:14.000 It's jobs when you graduate kind of thing, internships, opportunities, feeling like your degree is going to matter kind of.

00:39:20.000 There's some worry about the AI bubble and the potential for greater inflation moving into midterms.

00:39:26.000 So if we could put some assurance surrounding the Federal Reserve and taxation and making sure that inflation is going to remain low, those are the core points that students on campus uh in Minnesota that i've interacted with are worrying about right now.

00:39:45.000 Haley, what about your?

00:39:46.000 You, a high school student?

00:39:48.000 What's uh going into the midterms what?

00:39:51.000 What's the vibe?

00:39:52.000 Yeah um, I wouldn't even say really that a lot of our students are even educated enough to really care.

00:39:56.000 I think a lot of the um things that they're talking about are just like things that they're just hearing on the internet.

00:40:02.000 But I would say, right now um, in high school especially, is just immigration, like what we've been seeing recently, and just how a bunch of us younger students, who may not be as educated, are just rejecting law enforcement and um, I guess how we can kind of push back on that and how we can be educated on um.

00:40:19.000 You know that we can be in support of legal immigration and then also recognize that fighting against law enforcement is not the right thing to do and that interfering with them doing their jobs um is only gonna create this chaos that we're seeing and that really, this um, these shootings that are happening um are not just one-sided and that something, something is going on behind the scenes to kind of affect what's going on in the immigration.

00:40:45.000 Yeah, that's a good insight.

00:40:47.000 That's a really good insight.

00:40:48.000 Um so Caroline, you're at the University OF Georgia and you said there's all these like walkouts and a lot of anti-ice energy.

00:40:55.000 I mean, do they remember Lake And Riley at the University OF Georgia?

00:40:59.000 Is she still some person that people are talking about there?

00:41:03.000 Because I wonder how they square that circle or circle.

00:41:06.000 That's exactly the question a lot of us are asking right now at turning point.

00:41:10.000 Um, they're actually organizing a 5k with some other groups on campus.

00:41:14.000 Um, I think it's called run for your life.

00:41:16.000 Um, it's going to be an awesome event.

00:41:18.000 I believe it's on february 21st, but it'll definitely be on our socials.

00:41:21.000 Um, if anyone's interested in that.

00:41:23.000 Um yeah I, I really don't know.

00:41:26.000 I'm in shock also.

00:41:27.000 I mean, I don't know how we go from seeing a girl, basically my age, be viciously murdered by an illegal immigrant in our own city and then now we're supporting people doing this kind of thing to ice agents who are just trying to protect our country and protect citizens of America and I think, especially as a woman, seeing that happen to someone my age.

00:41:48.000 It's frightening and I think we should be in support of people who want to keep us safe from that kind of thing, and I really think that our campus is just in a real mess and we have a lot of work to do still all right now.

00:42:00.000 Yeah you Emma you're, you're last.

00:42:02.000 What is dominating the midterm vibes among young people in Knoxville?

00:42:02.000 What's the?

00:42:08.000 Yeah well, kind of, like Edward said, talking about the economy, but more specifically, affordability for housing and buying homes.

00:42:15.000 I'm actually graduating in the next semester and looking into the the near future.

00:42:19.000 It kind of seems impossible to achieve that American dream of being a homeowner.

00:42:24.000 Um, and I think that that's a deeper issue than a lot of people might uh realize on the surface, because you have all these young people in America who don't have uh, they don't own anything, they don't have stake in anything, and I think that makes it difficult to um really feel like you have ownership in your country, that you're an actual citizen of your, And to be proud of your country when you feel like everything is being taken by different, taken from your hands different ways.

00:42:50.000 I also think that that also impacts the family, the nuclear family.

00:42:54.000 You can't raise three kids in an apartment.

00:42:57.000 That's just not ideal.

00:42:58.000 So it does make it harder for people to start families, continue growing our country.

00:43:03.000 So it is a deeper issue than people realize.

00:43:05.000 Emma, I think that's great.

00:43:07.000 And I just wanted to say, if you're just graduating, you do have a little time to, you know, on the home buying and that starting.

00:43:14.000 But don't panic.

00:43:15.000 Yeah, don't panic yet.

00:43:18.000 But your concern is legitimate and it's well made.

00:43:22.000 President Trump just passed a very awesome bill of law a few days ago where he banned big corporations institutionally buying single family.

00:43:34.000 He's the inspiring of it, I think.

00:43:36.000 So that was, I'm looking from Australia.

00:43:37.000 I'm like, that's amazing.

00:43:39.000 That will free the market for young people to actually.

00:43:41.000 Well, and Charlie talked a lot about an economic moonshot for Gen Z, and that is build five, 10 million new homes, block institutional money, block foreign money, make sure that it's open to young people overwhelm the housing market, supply and demand. 0.77

00:43:58.000 Exactly.

00:43:59.000 Yeah, and I think all of these things are making, we're making good progress, but we're not there yet.

00:44:05.000 And I think these concerns that you guys are voicing are apt and they're really important.

00:44:11.000 It was stuff Charlie talked about, by the way.

00:44:13.000 Blake, I don't know if you have a follow-up here, but we've got a lot of people.

00:44:16.000 I wish we had a little more time because I'd love to poke more at that AI thing because I'm very fascinated by how young people relate to artificial intelligence.

00:44:23.000 You remember the last time we did one of these?

00:44:25.000 It was all about H-1Bs. 1.00

00:44:26.000 Do you guys talk about H-1Bs within the club or in the chapter?

00:44:32.000 For Minnesota specifically.

00:44:34.000 And at my chapter, I know that we still discuss that.

00:44:37.000 We still discuss the avenues of legal immigration.

00:44:40.000 What about the ladies in the panel? 1.00

00:44:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:43.000 Because last time it dominated our conversation.

00:44:46.000 I think we definitely have a mixed, there's mixed views on whether we should be having more or having less or just leaving it the same because there are pros and cons, of course, to both.

00:44:56.000 But I hear a lot of different things from different students.

00:44:59.000 It just kind of depends.

00:44:59.000 Definitely a mix.

00:45:01.000 Yeah.

00:45:02.000 AI is going to be a different thing.

00:45:03.000 I think about that.

00:45:04.000 A friend of mine, he just said that kids at the campus he's at.

00:45:07.000 He works on a Christian ministry there, and he says they need AI to tell them what questions to ask in class.

00:45:13.000 And that concept had not occurred to me until I heard that, and it filled me with a lot of people.

00:45:18.000 I wish I had AI when I was in school.

00:45:20.000 That would have solved a lot of my problems.

00:45:22.000 The lack of critical thinking skills, though, that AI could give rise to is terrifying.

00:45:26.000 Which is why we need all of you guys.

00:45:30.000 We need to fight against groupthink on campus.

00:45:32.000 We made progress last year, but it roars back over and over again.

00:45:37.000 So we thank all of you for standing guard in the permanent vigil for liberty.

00:45:42.000 Yeah, thank you guys.

00:45:43.000 Thank you for making the time.

00:45:44.000 And as you hear more about walkouts as well, Haley, we want to hear about those because in Phoenix here, it's just, it's going crazy.

00:45:52.000 So not a good sign.

00:45:54.000 Not a good sign.

00:45:55.000 All right.

00:45:55.000 God bless you guys and stay safe and stay vigilant.

00:45:59.000 And we thank you for all of your great service at Turning Point Chapters across the country.

00:46:03.000 And Pastor Andrew Sedra, thank you for spending the whole hour with us.

00:46:06.000 Thank you, God.

00:46:06.000 Thank you.

00:46:07.000 What a blessing.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 30, 2026

The Difference Between A Martyr and a Jihadist

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