In this episode, Pastor Andrew Sedra of Echo Church in Sydney, Australia joins me to talk about the death of Charlie Kirk and the role of a Christian martyr and a jihadist. We discuss the difference between a Christian and a Jihadist, and why we need to recalibrate our definitions of what a martyr is and what a jihadist is.
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00:02:33.000He's a freedom of speech martyr, an American martyr.
00:02:37.000What is the difference between, let's say, an activist that does something stupid, gets himselves into a situation, maybe the cops, maybe it wasn't the best shot.
00:03:46.000And they died for believing the world is this big, happy, safe space where there's no nations, there's no boundaries, there's no borders, which if you're a Christian, you can't really believe that.
00:03:58.000So we really have to look at the cause and the because of the martyrdom in order to understand, and more than anything, what was happening the moment they got murdered.
00:04:07.000Charlie Kirk was literally speaking in a microphone, trying to debate his ideas.
00:04:12.000Those people are doing crazy things, creating complexity in an already volatile space.
00:04:18.000So we do need to teach people to gain the moral conscience because you saw even with George Floyd.
00:04:23.000Like George Floyd was a criminal committing a crime.
00:04:27.000He died in the process of committing a crime.
00:04:30.000How do you put Charlie and George Floyd, all the people that were like Black Lives Matter, but it was very controversial for them to speak about Charlie Kirk's death?
00:04:38.000It makes you wonder it's like people need to really recalibrate the moral conscience and definitions in order to realize what is a martyr and what is a jihadist.
00:04:48.000And we have now the gay jihadist, the immigration jihadist, the Islamic, we have every type of jihadist now.
00:04:54.000And by the way, just because the reason I framed it that way, for people who aren't familiar with your background, is you specialize in calling out the dangers of Islam.
00:05:04.000So give your backstory and why that is a central message for you.
00:05:09.000Yeah, so I grew up in the Islamic world of Egypt under soft Sharia law.
00:06:42.000So the big question I think we have at the moment coming from the Middle East, so I escaped Islam to the Western world to come here to find them rising, taking over, and running a propaganda campaign.
00:06:57.000And I think this is kind of my warning to America, particularly the conservatives that are unable to actually understand what's happening in the Islamic world.
00:07:06.000I always tell Americans, America is an exceptional country.
00:07:08.000But make sure American exceptionalism doesn't become American narcissism, where you look at Israel or the Middle East or all the Islamic world through the lens of Christendom.
00:07:18.000You have to look at Islam through the lens of Islam, not project your American lovey-dovey like George Bush did.
00:07:51.000And the lesson of the 21st century is that that is a giant, huge propaganda lie.
00:07:57.000You were being gaslit to think that people, their cultures and their religions do not matter, that they can be assimilated into a Western frame of reference and a frame of mind.
00:08:07.000No, and this is actually, I would say, I'm still working this out, but you know, Charlie, I think, had it completely worked out.
00:08:17.000So, when you look at who you want to come into your country, if you are a Western nation, even if you are not a believer, even if you hate Christianity, you are blessed by the culture of Christianity, by our laws, by the customs, by the turns of phrases, by our language, by everything about this culture that you love is undergirded by a Christian heritage.
00:09:01.000The communist, godless, government-worshipping world is not free.
00:09:06.000America, you have to understand what makes you is Christendom.
00:09:11.000So, the problem we have at the moment, we are importing people from the Islamic world that believe in Quran, Sharia law, and no matter how moderate of a Muslim you are, you still don't believe in freedom.
00:09:22.000So, Egypt is a very moderate Muslim country.
00:09:25.000Like, you don't just get killed on the street.
00:09:27.000But we have apostasy laws which are designed.
00:09:30.000If a Muslim becomes a Christian, they go to jail for five to eight years.
00:10:06.000And I do think America needs to re-recalibrate that so you don't lose land of the free and home of the brave.
00:10:13.000It's so bizarre because you look at the Middle East and Islam is declining in some of those countries.
00:10:20.000And then the fundamentalism is rising in the West.
00:10:21.000And it just starts straight up feels like they've exported a lot of fundamentalists.
00:10:24.000And you'll hear the worst preachers in London, not in Riyadh necessarily.
00:10:29.000It looks like the man was charged for rushing Representative Ilhan Omar and took a syringe and sprayed her with apple cider.
00:10:37.000I did get a kick out of the idea where we should have the federal government investigate this as an attack on a federal lawmaker and take it very seriously and see if anything else comes out.
00:10:45.000But I suspect it's exactly what it looks like on the tenth.
00:11:03.000The spiritual battle is coming to the West.
00:11:06.000And the enemies are wokeism or Marxism combining with Islamism to go after what we call the American way of life.
00:11:13.000And the American way of life is very simple.
00:11:15.000I want to be able to get married, buy a home, have kids, allow them to ride their bike till the sun goes down, send them to a good school, have a low-crime neighborhood, not to have my kid be taught the lesbian, gay, transgender garbage in their school.
00:11:33.000While also, while also not having them have to hear the Muslim call to prayer five times a day, that's important.
00:11:45.000We want the American way of life, which is, by the way, Christendom.
00:11:59.000And, you know, you look, you've got to look back at the last days of Charlie Kirk and realize that I believe, you know, God numbers our days.
00:12:09.000So God knew, even though we're all still adjusting to this brave new world, but God knew.
00:12:15.000And I just, I know that God was speaking to him.
00:12:19.000And I know that God was raising almost like the final battle lines of probably the rest of this century.
00:12:28.000It was incredible to see how much he grew over time, but even just in those last three months, what he was shifting and what he was focusing on, what he wanted to say, what he made sure he said when he got the opportunity to do it.
00:12:40.000Affordability for the next generation, realizing that the gains that we had in 2024 were not set up.
00:12:45.000It's such a long view of the attitude on things.
00:12:48.000Step away from the day-to-day politics, which is a grind, which is annoying, which is distractions, and say this is the stuff that's going to matter in 20 years, in 50 years, in a thousand years.
00:12:57.000And you can see that clearly in New York, the Marxist-Islamic Alliance, the Socialist Jihadist Alliance, the biggest existential threats to America is socialism and Islam.
00:13:07.000Islam is because of immigration and socialism because of the lack of affordability of homes.
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00:15:16.000So this concept that, you know, like I said, God numbers our days.
00:15:20.000God knew, and I believe God was speaking to Charlie, and Charlie was focusing on the rise of Islam, and you mentioned that haunting tweet where he says, you know, Islam is...
00:15:31.000That was the day before the assassination.
00:15:32.000It was a prophetic picture of what has yet to happen.
00:15:54.000The socialist liberal godless left could not really shift and change the culture as they wish.
00:16:00.000So they had to import the votes from the end of the world.
00:16:04.000They found a perfect alliance between Islam and socialism, between violent Islam and godless leftism.
00:16:11.000And that unholy alliance is the friend, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
00:16:16.000We can clearly see Zuhram Bibtani is an Muslim who is quits for Palestine, who's gays for Gaza, where if you take those gays together, they will not be alive for very, very long.
00:16:27.000But that alliance hinges on the reality.
00:16:29.000Islam and godless leftism, it hates Christianity because it hates freedom.
00:16:34.000It hates freedom, and that is the reason it hates America.
00:20:26.000And in America, I think that what there is really bad is the sense that your taxes go to services you 100% can't use.
00:20:33.000So if you're in a huge portion of America, you pay a large amount of taxes for public schools, and the public schools are functionally unusable to you if you are a responsible parent.
00:20:43.000And then you pay the double tax of often private schooling.
00:20:46.000Yeah, well, by the way, that's beyond your income tax.
00:21:29.000Darwinism in politics becomes socialism because you need to help the little monkey that can't help himself because the big guy, the big corporate guy, is the lion that's controlling the jungle.
00:21:40.000So we kind of need to make the system equitable.
00:21:43.000So the reality is, the more America goes away from church, the more taxation you're going to have.
00:21:50.000And the more governmental, unethical, immoral spending.
00:22:01.000The less people go to church, the more taxes we get.
00:22:05.000There is a correlation between socialism and atheism, Christianity and low taxation, because in Christianity, we believe in self-government, individual liberty.
00:22:29.000We want families that work hard to build their wealth, pass the legacy from generation to generation.
00:22:34.000So the reality is we need a recalibration of our economical philosophical system to realize if God asks for 10%, I believe anything beyond 10% from government is theft.
00:22:50.000And I think what we've seen, especially with the Somali fraud rings, is that the more you bloat your government, the more you grow it, the more bad actors are going to come in and they're going to bilk you.
00:22:59.000The graft will just grow and increase.
00:23:02.000And I mean, I completely agree with the less churched, the more socialist.
00:23:16.000So I wanted to keep you just a little bit longer here, Andrew, because, you know, Pastor Andrew Sedra, by the way, pastor out of Sydney, which is really, really fun.
00:23:28.000Iran, tell us what you know about Iran because there's, I mean, we're hearing reports that there's like tens and tens of thousands of dead protesters.
00:23:36.000Yeah, so Iran is a very interesting case study.
00:23:38.000And I think America needs to watch it very closely because you had the gay socialist communist alliance in 1979 mixed with Islam.
00:23:46.000So you literally had the Zahra Mandani moment.
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00:27:27.000All right, so we have some amazing students that have joined us.
00:27:31.000We have Haley Ron, Canyon Del Pro, Club American President.
00:27:36.000Emma Arms, University of Tennessee, Knoxville president.
00:27:39.000Edward, I'm going to say this wrong, Bokey, I believe, Minnesota Connection Academy and Inver Hills Community College, and Caroline Maddox, University of Georgia president.
00:28:50.000I've been carrying every day since my birthday.
00:28:55.000And I am never going to pick a fight with law enforcement with my firearm on me.
00:29:01.000It's a terrible idea in the first place because these people are the good guys.
00:29:06.000They are the ones preserving the cohesion of our society and upholding law and order.
00:29:12.000And those are not the people that you should be starting an altercation with.
00:29:18.000It's going to be deratory to the cohesion of our republic.
00:29:23.000But then you add to that the betrayal of your Second Amendment liberties by putting law enforcement in a situation where they have to treat you as a greater threat, given you have a firearm and you're attempting to, and actually creating an escalated physical altercation.
00:29:43.000It's a terrible idea all around, and I was disappointed to see that.
00:29:47.000Alex Predi absolutely has a Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms and a First Amendment right to peacefully assemble.
00:29:57.000And you can exercise both those rights together.
00:29:59.000But he betrayed those liberties by starting an altercation with those law enforcement officers.
00:30:07.000So I want to throw a question here to Haley.
00:30:09.000First of all, thank you for coming on.
00:30:11.000I know you have to be, it can be very nerve-wracking because you're the high schooler here.
00:30:16.000So you're at Canyon del Oro in the Tucson, in Tucson, the Tucson area.
00:30:21.000And I'm told you've been seeing anti-ICE walkouts in your, is it in your school itself, you can tell me?
00:30:28.000And then that there's been, I guess, just describe the environment in a high school setting right now regarding ICE, regarding walkouts, regarding immigration generally.
00:30:39.000Yeah, so our school personally has not had a walkout yet, but there's definitely, like in a lot of other schools, those have happened just around Tucson and Arizona themselves.
00:30:49.000And then especially at my school, CDO, we just got Club America approved and it's been a big issue at school and everything.
00:31:00.000And I think a big issue right now, just with high school students, is a lot of it, people are trying to frame it as civic engagement when really it's more a lot of what they're doing is just activism without any understanding.
00:31:12.000So a lot of people are seeing this Club America, this Instagram post that we posted, just welcoming a new club, letting people be aware that this is happening.
00:31:21.000And just the amount of just rude, uneducated hate comments, DMs I've gotten, just the gossip around school of what's going on.
00:31:29.000It's these people haven't even given it a chance.
00:31:32.000They don't even know really what this is about.
00:31:35.000We haven't even had our first meeting yet.
00:31:36.000And all these people are just giving so much hate and they just don't even really, most of them are not even educated.
00:31:44.000And so I think that's just been a big issue is a lot of just teachers and staff as well just kind of empowering these students, framing it, manipulating it as like civic engagement.
00:31:54.000When really, I just think it's just activism without any understanding.
00:31:58.000So is it just, is there any, is the school just overtly endorsing this?
00:32:03.000Are the teachers all overtly endorsing it?
00:32:05.000What's the, I guess for lack of a better term, what's the propaganda environment like within your school?
00:32:09.000Yeah, so I definitely, a lot of issues that even came with starting Club America was actually through the teachers.
00:32:15.000There were a lot of teachers who I had conversations with that just were not on board with this and are telling our students just that this is not, this is like a hateful thing that's going on.
00:32:27.000It's not something that we should be having.
00:32:29.000So a lot of it definitely starts with our staff and starts with our teachers and just not even giving us as students our own voice and our own opinion, but just shutting it down because they're in a position of authority.
00:32:40.000And a lot of students like us, we rely on those teachers for grades and we have future ahead of us for college.
00:32:46.000So we really don't want to upset the people who are kind of hold that authority over us.
00:32:51.000So I think a lot of students are just following what the staff, what authority is telling us.
00:32:56.000And so, yeah, just mainly with the staff just not allowing us, just thinking it's a terrible thing.
00:33:01.000I know Tucson Unified School District even just sent out a message, the superintendent, saying that they may have to cancel school tomorrow because too many teachers are calling out for this protest against ICE.
00:33:13.000Just things like that, where it's like, really, we have no control over what's going on because they hold the position.
00:33:18.000They hold the authority at our schools.
00:33:21.000Haley, I'm so, you know, I'm bummed out to hear that.
00:33:24.000I'm sad for you, but I'm proud of you as well.
00:33:41.000You guys are leading by conviction and courage, just like Charlie Kirk.
00:33:46.000We'll live in a moment of time where the left doesn't multiply in the bedroom.
00:33:49.000They multiply in the classroom, as they always do.
00:33:51.000And it is very encouraging watching you guys stand for your faith, stand for your freedom, and actually be like Daniel Shadrach, Michigan, and Bendigo.
00:34:00.000Have faith in the midst of a culture where young people are fundamentally indoctrinated.
00:34:05.000You guys are going to be very amazing leaders that would change the world.
00:34:09.000The fact that you're able to go against the grain, not go with the next social justice hype, it means that you have the potential and the anointing and the gift and the character to lead this nation to a very, very, very great place.
00:34:33.000We've observed, you know, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, and we've seen it now, some comments made about Stephen Miller, about ICE agents.
00:34:42.000It's public school teachers and nurses and sometimes doctors.
00:34:46.000I don't know what it is, but these problems.
00:35:26.000We saw last year there was a big swing of young people more towards sympathy towards Amega, towards President Trump, towards the message Charlie was selling.
00:35:36.000We also see some evidence in the polls there might be a swing back.
00:36:35.000We do sometimes see some students who sort of stay behind the screen that would promote, you know, attacking ICE, but we haven't seen anything in Knoxville or the greater Tennessee area that would prove that.
00:36:57.000Athens is a little bit of a different scene right now.
00:37:00.000I think we're seeing a lot of walkouts from classes, a lot of protests in the downtown area.
00:37:06.000Students are not taking well to that scene in Minneapolis right now at all.
00:37:13.000We have a lot of support for ICE as a club in general, but outside of the club, there's not a lot of support for ICE on this campus at all.
00:37:38.000They see kind of what they want to see instead of actually seeing and learning and educating themselves and doing the research.
00:37:45.000I think we've also painted this picture of ICE for them or other people have as this super evil organization that's ripping children from their homes and ripping families apart.
00:38:36.000If you had a word for the administration heading into the midterms or candidates that are running, what are young kids, what do they care about on your campus?
00:38:46.000What could the conservative movement do better right now?
00:38:58.000We want to make sure that the economy is strong going into midterms.
00:39:04.000And then that's pretty much the biggest issue going into midterms that students want to make sure.
00:39:14.000It's jobs when you graduate kind of thing, internships, opportunities, feeling like your degree is going to matter kind of.
00:39:20.000There's some worry about the AI bubble and the potential for greater inflation moving into midterms.
00:39:26.000So if we could put some assurance surrounding the Federal Reserve and taxation and making sure that inflation is going to remain low, those are the core points that students on campus uh in Minnesota that i've interacted with are worrying about right now.
00:39:52.000Yeah um, I wouldn't even say really that a lot of our students are even educated enough to really care.
00:39:56.000I think a lot of the um things that they're talking about are just like things that they're just hearing on the internet.
00:40:02.000But I would say, right now um, in high school especially, is just immigration, like what we've been seeing recently, and just how a bunch of us younger students, who may not be as educated, are just rejecting law enforcement and um, I guess how we can kind of push back on that and how we can be educated on um.
00:40:19.000You know that we can be in support of legal immigration and then also recognize that fighting against law enforcement is not the right thing to do and that interfering with them doing their jobs um is only gonna create this chaos that we're seeing and that really, this um, these shootings that are happening um are not just one-sided and that something, something is going on behind the scenes to kind of affect what's going on in the immigration.
00:41:27.000I mean, I don't know how we go from seeing a girl, basically my age, be viciously murdered by an illegal immigrant in our own city and then now we're supporting people doing this kind of thing to ice agents who are just trying to protect our country and protect citizens of America and I think, especially as a woman, seeing that happen to someone my age.
00:41:48.000It's frightening and I think we should be in support of people who want to keep us safe from that kind of thing, and I really think that our campus is just in a real mess and we have a lot of work to do still all right now.
00:42:08.000Yeah well, kind of, like Edward said, talking about the economy, but more specifically, affordability for housing and buying homes.
00:42:15.000I'm actually graduating in the next semester and looking into the the near future.
00:42:19.000It kind of seems impossible to achieve that American dream of being a homeowner.
00:42:24.000Um, and I think that that's a deeper issue than a lot of people might uh realize on the surface, because you have all these young people in America who don't have uh, they don't own anything, they don't have stake in anything, and I think that makes it difficult to um really feel like you have ownership in your country, that you're an actual citizen of your, And to be proud of your country when you feel like everything is being taken by different, taken from your hands different ways.
00:42:50.000I also think that that also impacts the family, the nuclear family.
00:42:54.000You can't raise three kids in an apartment.
00:43:18.000But your concern is legitimate and it's well made.
00:43:22.000President Trump just passed a very awesome bill of law a few days ago where he banned big corporations institutionally buying single family.
00:43:39.000That will free the market for young people to actually.
00:43:41.000Well, and Charlie talked a lot about an economic moonshot for Gen Z, and that is build five, 10 million new homes, block institutional money, block foreign money, make sure that it's open to young people overwhelm the housing market, supply and demand.
00:43:59.000Yeah, and I think all of these things are making, we're making good progress, but we're not there yet.
00:44:05.000And I think these concerns that you guys are voicing are apt and they're really important.
00:44:11.000It was stuff Charlie talked about, by the way.
00:44:13.000Blake, I don't know if you have a follow-up here, but we've got a lot of people.
00:44:16.000I wish we had a little more time because I'd love to poke more at that AI thing because I'm very fascinated by how young people relate to artificial intelligence.
00:44:23.000You remember the last time we did one of these?
00:44:43.000Because last time it dominated our conversation.
00:44:46.000I think we definitely have a mixed, there's mixed views on whether we should be having more or having less or just leaving it the same because there are pros and cons, of course, to both.
00:44:56.000But I hear a lot of different things from different students.