00:00:15.000If you want to join our exclusive Zoom calls, and if you want to be able to listen to all these episodes without any advertisers, members.charliekirk.com, members.charliekirk.com.
00:00:25.000Email me as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:51.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:03.000Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals.
00:01:13.000Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments.com.
00:02:21.000So that was the first time in my life where I realized that a lot of unemployed people didn't have really anything directly to do with a lack of jobs.
00:02:34.000There were 2.3 million open positions in the country at that point.
00:02:39.000Most of them didn't require a four-year degree.
00:02:41.000They required the mastery of a skill, right?
00:02:44.000And so I began to think of these things as dirty jobs opportunities.
00:02:48.000And they were all better than most people thought.
00:02:51.000Many of them provided a direct path to make six figures.
00:02:54.000Anyway, Microworks started as an attempt to shine a light on those opportunities as they existed back in 2008, 2009.
00:03:03.000It evolved into a trade resource center that was built by fans of Dirty Jobs so people could go online and they could search for opportunities in plumbing or heating and air conditioning, electric, welding, mechanical, all those things.
00:03:19.000So suddenly we had this really cool trade resource center that was going from coast to coast.
00:03:25.000We had thousands of opportunities being highlighted.
00:03:28.000Again, none of which required a four-year degree.
00:03:31.000Flashing forward, it's really become a kind of, well, it's a scholarship program.
00:03:38.000We award a couple million dollars every year in work ethics scholarships.
00:03:42.000In fact, we just started a new round yesterday.
00:03:44.000So I'll be shamelessly flogging that over the course of our conversation.
00:03:48.000But we also developed a work ethic curriculum, which we finally got into a big high school just last week in Las Vegas.
00:03:59.000The short version is microworks exist to shine a light on opportunities that don't require a four-year degree to make a more persuasive case for work ethic to challenge stigmas, stereotypes, myths, and misperceptions that keep a whole generation of kids from pursuing all of these opportunities.
00:04:17.000And we try and do it with a measure of ennui, self-deprecation, irony, and good humor.
00:04:52.000And I was just, it's almost every single episode had something of that essence.
00:04:58.000Well, we really, look, I wish I could tell you that that was a thing that I always believed in my soul was happening in the workforce, but just needed to be elevated.
00:05:12.000All I knew for sure is that my granddad, Carl Noble, only went to the seventh grade and was a skilled tradesman in virtually every field.
00:05:22.000He could build a house without a blueprint.
00:05:23.000And I wanted to do a show that elevated men and women like him who had that set of skills.
00:05:31.000But once we got into it, like season two, season three, season four, we did 350 of these jobs.
00:05:39.000But once we got into it, you're right.
00:05:41.000People started asking me, what do these dirty jobbers know as a group that the rest of us forgotten?
00:05:51.000Because they all seem to be having a ball and they're all covered with feces from every species and toilets are exploding in people's faces and you're up to your neck in misadventures and animal husbandry.
00:06:03.000So it just, there was a really fun level of cognitive dissonance between the adversity and the challenge posed by all of these jobs collectively and the great joy and good humor and pride that we found in the people who were doing it.
00:06:19.000So I guess it's kind of an obvious thing.
00:06:22.000I mean, if you grew up, you know, with a certain set of values instilled upon you, you would never think to make work the enemy.
00:06:29.000You would suppose that there'd be dignity in all jobs.
00:06:33.000But what we learned in 2004, 2005, and certainly today is that our country has to a certain degree made work into the enemy.
00:06:45.000We have made work the proximate cause of our discontent.
00:06:53.000And in so many ways, you can see this play out from Madison Avenue in sitcoms and portrayals of skilled tradespeople and so forth.
00:07:02.000And, you know, not to make it a polemic, but it became real clear that there were warring narratives in the country.
00:07:12.000One had to do with the basic dignity of work, and the other had to do with the point I just made, which was the best path for the most people had to be a four-year degree.
00:07:24.000And to challenge those ideas, right, to shine a light on the skills gap and say, look, this is not a figment of our imagination.
00:07:35.000We have right now, Charlie, and I know you know this, 11 million unfilled jobs in our country.
00:07:43.000Most of them don't require a four-year degree.
00:07:47.000And so, you know, my soapbox for all this really comes down to the existence of all that opportunity juxtaposed with $1.7 trillion in student loans and our stubborn insistence to still tell a whole generation of kids that they're screwed without a four-year degree.
00:08:08.000And Mike, as you were going, you know, episode 30, 40, how happy they are regardless of what they're doing, you contrast that if you walk into Google.
00:08:17.000I don't think that their coders are as happy as someone who is on was, and I mean this, was it just the shtick for the cameras or were they legitimately like joyous?
00:08:27.000I mean, I'm curious because most employers are saying they have a mental health crisis with their workers, yet you demonstrated over 350 episodes, the joy in doing what most people wouldn't even think of doing, the incomprehensible.
00:08:40.000A lot of people thought it was put on.
00:08:42.000And to be honest, I did too for a little while because reality TV has a way of feeding on itself, you know, the Heisenberg, right?
00:08:50.000People start to do what they think you want them to do, but not on this show.
00:09:02.000We were true fly-on-the-wall observers of work.
00:09:06.000And, you know, we showed you precisely what we saw.
00:09:11.000So look, the short answer to your question really comes down to job satisfaction.
00:09:18.000And what we're doing today, we're telling kids, look, if you want to be happy in your work, the first thing you do is identify the job you believe you want to do.
00:09:27.000And then you go about the business of borrowing whatever it takes to get whatever credential is required.
00:09:33.000And then you'll have the right to sit in a cubicle somewhere and code or do whatever you're going to do.
00:09:38.000And then you can let yourself be happy.
00:10:08.000And I guess to some degree, satisfaction is too.
00:10:11.000But one of the big lessons on dirty jobs, and certainly one of the things you can find if you peruse the Old and New Testament, is the satisfaction that comes from always knowing how you're doing, right?
00:10:26.000Like I'm sitting here at my desk right now talking to you and I'm looking around and everything on it is pretty much going to be on it eight hours from now.
00:10:39.000My desk looks, it looks like it looks at 6 a.m. and it looks the same at 6 p.m.
00:10:47.000So I might sit here and I might write something really thoughtful.
00:11:06.000When you're inspecting a sewer or building a bridge or mining for coal or gold or something in between or fishing on the Bering Sea or cleaning skulls in Oklahoma City.
00:11:54.000Can you contrast that, Mike, with the kind of purposelessness, for lack of a better term, or lack of purpose that you find in, you know, upper middle class corporate culture where you sit at the desk, answer the phone, and it's kind of as if you're on an endless circle.
00:12:09.000Well, rather than pick on them, let's pick on our own industry, right?
00:12:52.000Like, so we want to know how we're doing.
00:12:56.000And it's not because we're craven or overly materialistic, but it's because we work and we understand there's a cause and an effect.
00:13:06.000There's a customer, there's a client, there's a listener, there's a viewer, there's a producer, there's a writer.
00:13:13.000So, you know, being aware of all of those things that are inherently true in the human condition, I do think helps everyone navigate whatever path they put themselves on.
00:13:29.000My complaint is what we've done as a society.
00:13:33.000My complaint is the way we've put our thumb on the scale and promoted one form of education and all the types of jobs that come with it at the expense of all the others.
00:13:48.000Under the names of DEI and ESG, the largest asset managers have been using your money, your savings, to push politics into America's corporations.
00:13:57.000For years, they've implemented an agenda that is anti-American capitalism at your expense without your permission.
00:14:33.000Well, I mean, it happens all the time, but in my life, I first noticed it when we pulled Shop Class out of high school.
00:14:40.000If there was a dumber thing fraught with more unintended consequences that's ever happened in the history of education, I'm not sure what it would be.
00:14:51.000When we pulled Shop Class out of high school, we removed from view an entire category of jobs.
00:14:59.000And we basically sent a message to a whole generation of kids that said, don't even bother.
00:15:04.000I mean, don't even bother looking at opportunities in mechanical repair or carpentry or plumbing or electric or heating and air conditioning.
00:15:14.000That was a remarkably powerful and profoundly stupid thing to do.
00:15:19.000But we did it because we were trying to elevate the importance of a four-year degree.
00:15:24.000And to be fair, back in the 70s, those degrees needed to be elevated.
00:15:34.000But to promote that path by telling a whole generation of kids that they would be doing themselves a disservice by taking any other path, that's where we got into trouble.
00:15:46.000And so on the one hand, I'm just saying it's PR.
00:15:50.000You know, we elevate what we value, and that's a very conscious decision.
00:15:57.000And so today, we don't just have a skills gap.
00:16:19.000And so I'm the best and worst person to address this.
00:16:22.000And the objection I get from parents, they'll agree, hey, the colleges have gone, you know, ideologically off the reservation, but they'll always lean in and almost whisper, Mike, but I still want my kid to go to college.
00:16:35.000Of course, because they're scared, Charlie.
00:17:04.000But that's not really what's for sale.
00:17:07.000What's for sale are connections and prestige and fear and a great many other things that go into the pressure that many, many, many millions of kids have felt when it comes time to sign on the dotted line.
00:18:36.000Look, that's like saying that an expensive four-year school is going to lead you to make more money over the course of your life than if you stop your education at 18 years of age is like saying joining a really expensive gym is going to lead you to be healthier and more fit if you stop working out when you're 18.
00:19:06.000They completely, what about the kid who graduates high school and then goes to a trade school, goes through an apprenticeship program, starts welding, starts plumbing, buys a van, hires some friends, starts a mechanical contracting business and is now making $350,000 a year.
00:19:25.000People who go through my foundation every day.
00:19:28.000I mean, you know, Mike, I have so much respect for the muscular class.
00:19:31.000When I need HVAC or air conditioning work, they charge whatever they want.
00:19:35.000I ask them what they're making, and they're making a lot more than their counterparts who got some flashy degree from the university down the road.
00:19:43.000Mike, I'm so glad you saw that Axios piece.
00:19:46.000And I just want to add kind of my take on it as well.
00:19:49.000Number one, they don't mention that nearly that nearly, I think it's 41% of people that enter college don't graduate.
00:19:59.000And they don't factor in continuing certification or being able to get skills after high school.
00:20:07.000Yes, if you just stay as a high school graduate with your high school diploma, then you very well might stay in a certain income level.
00:20:15.000And also, it doesn't factor in, by the way, it doesn't factor in your ability to ascend in the job and get more skills to become an entrepreneur, own your own business, and they don't factor in the debt burden, not to mention the ideological type pollutants that you very well avoid when you go to college.
00:20:34.000Micro, I want to talk about this article here.
00:20:37.000I just get the title so our audience can follow along, but your thoughts, Mike.
00:20:41.000Well, they don't factor in any of the many individual characteristics that are within our ability to control.
00:20:48.000Work ethic, delayed gratification, curiosity, initiative, ambition, all qualities that have a direct impact on the likelihood of a person to prosper.
00:21:04.000What they do is they assume that all of those virtues are baked into a diploma, right?
00:21:23.000It's like that old study I remember reading about when I was in college that talked about the incredible way that reported ice cream sales increased in lockstep with reports of sexual assault.
00:23:26.000I know we've had an impact, at least getting people to at least think through the cost of the transaction.
00:23:34.000But look, this is an existential problem if you really look beyond articles like this, which are just silly on their face.
00:23:41.000You know, the college president scandal here of late, that's not silly.
00:23:48.000Having donors who routinely stroke checks for many millions of dollars to Harvard and Penn and MIT and so forth, having those people go, hey, you know what?
00:24:08.000$51 billion in an endowment sitting there at Harvard alone, just sitting there.
00:24:15.000And meanwhile, the whole country is watching a conversation where student debt is being forgiven, even as it's being shouldered by the people that my foundation helps train, people who affirmatively avoided the debt and learned a skill that was in demand, one of these muscular jobs, as you described them.
00:24:33.000They're the people who are going to pay the freight.
00:24:35.000And articles like this perpetuate the thinking that brings us to a place that I think is fundamentally unfair.
00:24:44.000Vast majority of college grads a decade after graduation get a job that doesn't require a college degree, but the debt stays with them.
00:24:54.000There are a lot of companies out there working against you, your marriage or your family.
00:24:58.000You've heard about them on the show, but there's one company that is on your side, our friends at Covenant Eyes.
00:25:04.000Covenant Eyes has been the number one trusted software for over 23 years for Christians seeking to live a pornography-free life.
00:25:11.000Look, I know pornography is not an easy topic to hear about, but it must be talked about.
00:25:16.000If you heard about some of our podcasts recently, look, it's a silent killer.
00:25:19.000If you're watching porn, it's destroying your marriage, families, and impacting the work of the church by holding people hostage to the secret sin.
00:25:26.000Maybe you've experienced this in your life or seen this in the life of someone you love.
00:25:30.000And by the way, for moms out there, if you have sons, they're probably watching pornography.
00:25:34.000Victory by Covenant Eyes is a powerful tool that helps Christians who are serious and want to quit porn for good or never start.
00:25:40.000This is not about judgment or making you feel bad.
00:25:46.000By the way, studies show that porn use leads to depression, anxiety, and more.
00:25:50.000Victory combines industry-leading technology with decades of experience and leadership in recovery, content, accountability, and behavior change.
00:25:59.000The Covenant Eyes Victory app with a powerful accountability tool, features built-in, and the optimal blocking technology makes it an unparalleled tool in the fight to live a porn-free life.
00:26:12.000Living a porn-free life will bring you a new freedom to live honestly.
00:26:16.000And remember, accountability is not others calling you out on your sin, but others wanting to call you up to the person you are in Christ.
00:26:23.000Look, we're not here to make you feel bad.
00:26:24.000We're here to challenge you to be a better version of yourself.
00:26:27.000If you are currently struggling with pornography or you have a wandering eye, go to covenantees.com/slash Charlie.
00:26:32.000Here's how it works: you download the app, you have an accountability partner, and this way, your website traffic and your searching, you're able to have a check and balance on it.
00:26:40.000It's 30 days free by clicking on the link in the show notes today.
00:26:53.000So, Mike, I could still, I could tell you that, you know, I'll visit the suburbs of Chicago where I grew up, and certain friends and people that I know, they'll come up, they'll say, Charlie, you know, it's nice that you run Turning Point, you got 400 employees, all that stuff, but when are you going back to college?
00:27:08.000And they mean it with a straight face.
00:27:10.000They'll say, you know, we really got to get that piece of paper figured out, that diploma.
00:27:16.000It is embedded in the psyche of, dare I, I don't want to say the ruling class, but just the managerial class in this country.
00:27:25.000It is a it is a thought-terminating cliche that if you don't have a college degree, you're almost looked at as the unwashed in this country.
00:27:36.000Yeah, it's look, the problem with the PR campaign that we were talking about before that higher education did need back in the 60s and 70s is that it went too far.
00:27:48.000And it went so far that it came at the expense of all other forms of learning.
00:27:57.000Well, I think the same way we wound it up.
00:28:00.000In my foundation, what I try and do is, I mean, initially, there wasn't much I could do except tell anecdotal stories about what I had seen and raise a lot of money.
00:28:11.000We've given away about $9 million in work ethics scholarships so far.
00:28:17.000But we didn't start to move the needle until I was able to circle back to people who we had assisted four or five years earlier and ask this question.
00:28:30.000And all of a sudden, on camera, I'm listening to men and women, some of whom got a $6,000 welding certificate, tell me about the second kid who's on the way.
00:28:45.000Tell me about the conspicuous lack of debt on their personal finance page.
00:28:50.000And then tell me about the $140,000, $180,000 a year they're making as a result of mastering a skill that's in demand.
00:28:58.000When you get people like that talking passionately to me about the opportunities that they unlocked by taking one of these skilled jobs, that moves the needle.
00:29:13.000We have to carpet bomb the internet and we have to make a much more persuasive case for the opportunities that exist by challenging the myths and misperceptions and stigmas and stereotypes that keep people from giving them an honest look.
00:29:26.000But the other thing that has to happen and shout out to Walmart because they're doing it.
00:29:50.000And when the author of that article we were talking about sees big companies doing that thing, that's when they can feel the foundation starting to crumble beneath them.
00:30:00.000Because look, ma'am, this is my final point on this, and it's an important one, because I get the same kind of pushback that you do when you go out there and you start challenging the primacy of a four-year degree.
00:32:06.000And I just need, I just wish people looked at this, one of the most consequential financial transactions in their life through the same lens as they look at any other large purchase and ask themselves the same practical questions separate and apart from, oh, it's an investment in your future.
00:32:28.000It's not an investment in your future.
00:32:30.000It's a conscious decision you need to make about the best way to satisfy curiosity.
00:32:36.000It's ridiculous to attach trillions of dollars to that.
00:32:39.000Mike, can you also talk about how employers, you mentioned Coke and Walmart, they're not moving as far as them, but they're less and less satisfied with the crop of talent that college is producing.
00:33:44.000I know a guy who runs a law firm and he still hires Harvard grads.
00:33:49.000And he might very well wind up with a smart, curious young man or woman who has a great work ethic and is dedicated to being the best lawyer they can possibly be.
00:34:01.000Or he might wind up with a third generation legacy kid who had a great time and showed up to some classes and used chat GPT to write some essays and got his 3.9 or hers.
00:34:19.000It's a very strange thing to continue to bet on, but that's the power of inertia.
00:34:26.000And that same tendency among a lot of companies to hire from certain schools and assign a certain value to an old rubric like a GPA, that's not dissimilar from the fear that parents have.
00:34:40.000That's what varsity blues was all about.
00:34:43.000By any means necessary, get my kid into the magic lane where the doors will swing open, right?
00:35:33.000And so, so, Mike, the other talking point that some people will use is, but Charlie, the robots are going to replace all these jobs.
00:35:40.000Now, hilariously, it turns out that the first wave of job displacement are the coders and the artists and the people that got these goofy degrees.
00:35:50.000Mike Rowe, how do you answer the looming artificial intelligence?
00:35:53.000The robots are coming to unemploy the working class talking point.
00:35:58.000Yeah, I mean, look, history is a wheel, Charlie.
00:36:02.000And anybody with the aforementioned internet hookup can just Google the Luddite Rebellion.
00:36:10.000And you can read about what the loomers did and what happened in the weaving industry in England hundreds of years ago when technology came along and posed an existential threat.
00:36:21.000And it was crystal clear to the smartest brains out there that all the weavers were going to lose their jobs because of the advent of the loom.
00:37:53.000This is a tool, and how it impacts work is only one question because, like all tools, it can be used for great good and great mischief.
00:38:06.000It's like a gun, it's like the smartphone, it's like so many other things out there.
00:38:12.000So, look, we're being asked to get up to speed with regard to a great many different types of tools, and it's making us anxious for good cause.
00:38:53.000Okay, Kirk fans, I need you to stop and pay attention to this.
00:38:56.000If you deal with exhaustion, brain fog, mood swings, or food cravings, if you're constantly getting sick or simply lack the zeal used to have in life, then I have some news for you.
00:39:06.000While back, I found a liquid supplement called Strong Cell, and it changed my health in a very profound way.
00:39:32.000After taking Strong Cell for six weeks, I found improvement in many areas, less shoulder pain, improved mental clarity, increased natural energy, and so much more.
00:39:39.000I'm thankful that Charlie Kirk recommended this to his listeners.
00:39:42.000Rebecca says, I absolutely love Strong Cell.
00:39:45.000At first, I didn't think it would make much of a difference for my chronic fatigue, depression, anxiety, but I thought I'd give it a chance.
00:39:50.000I've tried to find depression meds for 10 years, and since you Strong Cell, I'm feeling better than I ever have on depression medication.
00:39:58.000Thank you, Charlie Kirk, for recommending this product.
00:40:27.000And don't forget to use discount code Charlie at checkout to get your special 20% discount for Kirk listeners, or you can call 888-596-0155 to order over the phone.
00:40:38.000That is 888-596-0155 or visit strongsell.com forward slash Charlie.
00:40:47.000Mike, tell us more about this scholarship.
00:40:52.000We historically give away about $2 million a year in work ethic scholarships.
00:40:58.000It's happening right now at microworks.org.
00:41:02.000These are scholarships specifically for men and women who do not wish to pursue a four-year degree, but who would instead prefer to learn a skill that's in demand, any of the construction trades, but also cosmetology and farriers.
00:41:17.000And there are so many jobs out there right now that are open that require training, not a typical collegiate credential.
00:41:26.000That money is set apart for those people.
00:41:44.000Well, foundation started in 2008 on Labor Day, and the scholarship program has been going on now for about nine or 10 years.
00:41:53.000So we do it because we do want to help individuals who are possessed of the sorts of qualities that we want to elevate.
00:42:02.000But we also do it because, full disclosure, I want to use you in a couple of years.
00:42:08.000I want to be able to talk to people who are making a go of it in the trades because as we discussed before, their testimony is powerful.
00:42:18.000And fundamentally, what we're trying to do at Microworks is change the attitude that has brought us to this place where so many millions of parents are convinced the best path for the most people is the most expensive path.
00:42:32.000That's why we have the scholarship program.
00:42:34.000And we also have a curriculum, a work ethic curriculum, and we're super really excited about this.
00:42:41.000We finally got it into a big high school in Las Vegas.
00:42:45.000This is a simple curriculum that is designed for 10th and 11th graders primarily.
00:42:51.000And I didn't think of it as an antidote to CRT or ESG or DEI, but it kind of is.
00:43:02.000It gives teachers a chance to work through with their students a basic understanding of what work ethic is and why it's important and how it can help you.
00:43:13.000But what's really cool about this program, Charlie, is that of the 750 kids in the freshman class over at Western High in Clark County, Las Vegas, the top 50 will be given a full ride scholarship to any trade school in the country.
00:43:30.000So we finally figured out a way to elevate work ethic, to talk about it in the classroom, and then to reward the kids who most persuasively embrace it.
00:43:58.000And so, Mike, just for those that are in the audience that are curious, kind of just go through the list of some of the technical training areas where people can start that they might not have thought of job openings, opportunities.
00:44:10.000Obviously, we talk about plumbers, electricians, and welders, but it goes a lot deeper than that from auto repair mechanics.
00:44:15.000And you have this quote I want to just have you elaborate on.
00:44:19.000Never follow your passion, but always bring it with you.
00:44:24.000Well, I mean, that's another dirty jobs lesson.
00:44:27.000You know, I think about you've seen them, the successories, you know, they hang on the walls of God knows how many conference rooms and they say things like, you know, teamwork.
00:44:40.000And it's a picture of guys rowing a boat together or something or persistence and some guys climbing a mountain or, you know, always stay the course.
00:44:51.000By the way, always staying the course makes good sense if you're sailing in the right direction.
00:44:58.000So on Dirty Jobs, we took sort of a dim view of these bromides and we offered sort of a dirty alternative to them.
00:45:06.000One of the big ones was always follow your passion.
00:45:10.000And I think that so many kids wind up going down the wrong road precisely because they followed their passion.
00:45:17.000That's not to say you shouldn't have a dream and certainly not to say you shouldn't be passionate about whatever it is you're doing.
00:45:25.000But the idea that your quest for job satisfaction or happiness in general, whether you're looking for your dream job or your soulmate, the idea that that search would be led by your passion, I think is a mistake.
00:45:43.000And of the many dirty jobbers I met and worked with over the years, I've just seen this borne out over and over again.
00:45:49.000I mentioned it at the top of the show, but it's worth circling back on because the happiest people I know today are not working in the field they thought they wanted to be in.
00:46:01.000In other words, it's not a straight line between what you want to be when you grow up to what you wind up doing when you're grown.
00:46:09.000And if you use passion as the sole barometer of that, as your true north, you're going to get led all over the place because passion's a fickle thing.
00:46:19.000But if you follow opportunity and if you conduct an honest inventory of your own skill set and you enhance those skills and you apply it toward the opportunity at hand, it's perfectly within your power to decide to feel good about that and to be passionate about it.
00:46:40.000So yeah, on Dirty Jobs, we said never follow your passion, but always bring it with you.
00:46:46.000And not to torture the point unnecessarily, but for further proof, just look at any early episode of American Idol.
00:47:34.000And it worries me today of all the things that our country is wrestling with, I think the idea that opportunity is dead is one of the most dangerous.
00:47:45.000I just saw a poll the other day in the Wall Street Journal that said 64% of Americans believe the American dream is dead.
00:47:52.000And I worry about what might happen when that number continues to creep up.
00:47:56.000A big part of what we're doing at Microworks is showing you where the opportunities are and offering to train people to become proficient in those opportunities.
00:48:08.000Because look, the evidence is out there and it demands a verdict.
00:48:18.000It's called The Evidence Demands a Verdict.
00:48:21.000That was a book on Christian apologetics.
00:48:24.000I'm talking more about the undeniable fact that opportunity is still out there.
00:48:29.000And there are forces at work for reasons that elude me that are determined to tell kids that the opportunities are dead and that the system is rigged and that there is no hope.