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00:00:04.000We here at the Charlie Kirk Show are defending the rights of not only women, but of defining sex as God intended, male and female.
00:00:13.000We have a bombshell story from WPATH, which is the leading organization globally on transgender medicine.
00:00:22.000They define the guidelines, and our friends over at the Daily Caller have a bombshell story behind the scenes, never-before-aired clips that show just how sick these people are.
00:00:31.000These they call themselves doctors, they're like Nazi doctors.
00:00:34.000You are not going to believe what you hear these people saying.
00:00:37.000Then we're joined by Riley Gaines and the sorority sisters from Kappa Kappa Gamma at the University of Wyoming, who were forced to take on a transgender-identifying male.
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00:03:35.000This is all about the World Professional Association for Transgender Health.
00:03:43.000And our friends at the Daily Caller News Foundation have done some tremendous work.
00:03:48.000We're getting them on right now as we speak.
00:03:51.000But the Daily Caller has done an expose into the World Professional Association of Transgender Health, and they have revealed behind the scenes footage from closed door trainings that are incredibly inflammatory and very, very provocative.
00:04:14.000And we have a first look at those videos, and you're going to be able to hear.
00:04:20.000Some of the things that these so-called health professionals say and uh, it's truly truly uh, remarkable.
00:04:29.000So in just a second, we're going to be joined by Kate Anderson she's a culture reporter for the Daily Caller NEWS Foundation, and Megan Barack, an investigative reporter from the Daily Caller NEWS Foundation, and it sounds like they are good to go.
00:04:43.000So, without further ado, Kate and Megan, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show.
00:04:47.000Hi Andrew, thank you so much for having us on.
00:04:51.000You guys have done a tremendous work here and really a service to this whole uh, discussion.
00:04:57.000Now I I gotta ask um so, so for the our, our listeners, who are not aware of what this organization is and what it represents in this space of transgender medical procedures and surgeries, can one of you just take it outline what Wpath is?
00:05:18.000Um, so the Wpath is an extremely influential transgender medicine organization um, arguably the most influential in the entire world, not just America, in the entire world, and the reason for that is that they publish guidelines called the standards of care and what this is.
00:05:32.000It's medical guidance that basically creates the pathway for how patients can receive transgender medicine, and these guidelines are utilized by governments, by insurance companies and by other professional medical organizations to determine how transgender medicine is performed and who gets access to it.
00:05:54.000Especially with the insurance companies, that's a really big deal.
00:05:57.000Even state Medicaid uh plans cite their guidance, so they're really uh, influencing not only kids getting very harmed, but also influencing where tax dollars are being spent.
00:06:10.000So yeah, and and, by the way, feel free uh Kate, if you want to add on to that, and and I want to get into some of these tapes, but you know, let me just say this, these are shocking.
00:06:21.000I've i've now looked at a number of these, these clips, these.
00:06:25.000Have these ever been seen by the public before?
00:06:28.000No yeah no, these have not been seen before, and that's that's why it was so important to us to release um, to release them eventually in their entirety, because these are training videos.
00:06:39.000So these are the types of videos that are going to be training doctors, like Megan said, internationally how to implement these guidances uh, whether that be in, you know, a large hospital or your local pediatrician's office.
00:06:53.000So no, we thought it was very important though, that the public be able to see these for the first time.
00:06:58.000All right okay, thank you both for again for doing this.
00:07:01.000This is truly important stuff, Really important reporting.
00:07:05.000I'm going to start playing some of these clips.
00:07:09.000This is a surgeon euphemistically referring to a phalloplasty procedure, which is a surgical series that includes destroying a vaginal cavity and creating a fake penis with harvested tissue as an adventure.
00:07:28.000We're seeing more phalloplasties, yes.
00:07:31.000And young individuals, you know, they're ready to embark on the adventure.
00:07:36.000I tell them, you know, it's going to be an adventure when we're both together in there because we have to get to your goals, but there's going to be a few bumps along the way, right?
00:07:46.000I mean, it could be delays because of complications.
00:07:49.000Definitely there will be complications, either it's stenosis, fistulas, or partial necrosis, wound healing delays, and stuff like that.
00:08:04.000So again, this guy's saying it's an adventure, but he's admitting that these same procedures will definitely have complications, such as permanent issues with bladder function and tissue death.
00:08:25.000But the very interesting actually that we didn't mention on that slide is that the same series of patients who had 80% complications answered to the question, would you do that over again?
00:08:45.000Yeah, I mean, I think that it's pretty shocking to hear.
00:08:49.000I know in doing this reporting, I learned about a lot about palloplasty.
00:08:53.000I said in the article that I wrote that from the tapes, they talk about how the average number of procedures for a certain type of phalloplasty is six.
00:09:05.000And, you know, I think it's quite an aggressive procedure, as you would point it out, that involves a deep skin tissue transplant to the groin.
00:09:17.000And there's just so many things that can go wrong.
00:09:20.000There are so many potential for complications, as was noted in the surgeon.
00:09:55.000My first question there is, well, how long has this been?
00:09:59.000Because I think a lot of times what we see is that the farther you get away from the surgeries and the more long-term consequences that there are, people really start to regret them because they're life-altering and they're very risky.
00:10:13.000And correct me if I'm wrong, but when you do a, when you undergo a surgery like this, you are then basically committing to a lifetime of taking drugs to make sure that the wound doesn't heal, correct?
00:10:27.000You're essentially boring a hole inside of a groin area and you then have to take a lifetime of pharmaceuticals, correct?
00:10:34.000Well, I know that the standards of care recommend that someone who has a phthaloplasty has lifelong urologic follow-up because what can happen is when you take someone who has a vagina and you try and create a fake penis, you have to do something called urethral lengthening.
00:10:48.000So they have to lengthen the urethra to try and get, if you want to be able to pee standing up out of your fake penis.
00:10:55.000And so that can come with a lot of complications, a lot of urinary strictures, which is a narrowing of the urinary tract, and that can require multiple revisions.
00:11:06.000And for our audience, I'm sorry for the graphic nature of this, but I think it's important that we tell you exactly what it is that's happening.
00:11:14.000And by the way, their tone in these tapes is just shocking.
00:11:33.000But we have to be open and to listen to it, of course, and to help to understand why and then to help moving backwards with some surgical options sometimes, if we can.
00:11:46.000Kate, in 30 seconds here, is this flip tone?
00:11:49.000Is this what you saw throughout these tapes?
00:11:54.000This kind of cavalier attitude is exactly the type of language that was used regularly.
00:11:58.000And like when he says, you know, we don't care, and then follows it up with, well, we should probably help them.
00:12:03.000It's like, what person who has gone through this and who has struggled that far is going to think, oh, you care about me.
00:12:09.000You're going to help me, you know, get through this because you've done this to me.
00:12:14.000So it's incredibly disheartening to see that they are so flippant about it.
00:12:18.000But I think this speaks to just the larger problem as a whole.
00:12:21.000These are incredibly serious and risky procedures.
00:12:24.000And I don't think that, and I think these videos are showing that doctors may not take them as seriously as one would think that they should.
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00:14:55.000SOC 8 says, think about treating kids at age 14 with hormones, unless there are significant reasons not to do that or to do it earlier.
00:15:05.000Honestly, 13 and a half, 14 is where I think many places feel comfortable to do that.
00:15:11.000It means that that is an age where every most experts feel comfortable that many children have the capacity to consent, ascent for treatment.
00:15:20.000Explain now, Megan, I'll start with you.
00:15:32.000And it's really powerful that you have this documented so clearly on a video.
00:15:38.000Yeah, I believe that that was referencing hormone treatment.
00:15:42.000So the pathway in terms of age is you see kids sometimes as young as eight being puberty on puberty blockers.
00:15:48.000Now, the standards of care, they don't have specific age limits in the standards of care.
00:15:53.000But in terms of, you know, obviously, if you're going to block puberty, it's kids who are before puberty.
00:15:59.000And then you'll see kids around like as young as 13, 14 going on cross-sex hormones.
00:16:03.000And then that kind of the next step is surgery and it just continues from there.
00:16:07.000Kate, please continue your reaction to that clip.
00:16:10.000Yeah, I mean, that clip is a very good, broad idea of kind of what the whole WPATH conversation about consent looks like.
00:16:18.000And that was one of the focus of our articles is, you know, how can children particularly consent or how can individuals who struggle with serious mental illness consent?
00:16:28.000Like this same doctor in a different clip during a Q ⁇ A panel said that, or I'm sorry, a different doctor in a different video said that, you know, psychotic patients are also able to consent.
00:16:41.000Patients who are struggling with schizophrenia or other serious mental illnesses on a case-by-case basis, but they're still able, they're considered to be able to consent.
00:16:51.000Or another doctor talked about in his notes, how children as young as seven to 14 can be considered on a case-by-case basis, able to consent or not to certain types of treatment.
00:17:02.000I don't know about you, but I wasn't able to consent to anything at seven, let alone 14, 15, 16.
00:17:09.000And I think that, again, it raises some serious questions about what they're teaching doctors at these conferences.
00:17:16.000I mean, I have one other clip here, 86, that kind of gets into what you're talking about.
00:17:21.000This is the doctors wrestling, not really wrestling.
00:17:24.000They've come up with their determination already.
00:17:27.000They've already concluded that, yeah, we can start treating these kids that have other underlying mental health issues really young, even if they're worried that it might make them infertile.
00:17:37.000They said that, oh, even if they are worried that they might change their mind later, they're still going to move forward with treatment.
00:17:45.000But an adolescent who says, I'm just going to adopt Leave Me Alone is different than an adolescent who says, I don't really care about this right now, but I realize I'm a teenager.
00:17:57.000Maybe when I'm older, I could change my mind, but I don't think I will.
00:18:02.000That shows that second group shows that that adolescent is capable of understanding that they don't know what their life may be like.
00:18:11.000That's the type of young person that understands that their decisions that they're making now are impacting them and they could be appropriate for their future or they might not be.
00:18:23.000And it's not up to us to say, well, if your thing is going to change in time, if your priorities change in time, well, then we shouldn't do this.
00:18:30.000No, it's to say, great, you understand that.
00:18:33.000Now let's move forward with what you feel you need.
00:18:44.000Either one of you, just sum up what your experience has been reporting on this incredible footage that you've obtained.
00:18:53.000I mean, I think we saw a lot of leading experts.
00:18:55.000I think something that should be noted is that these are not fringe doctors.
00:18:58.000These are doctors who are leading WPATH experts and repeatedly acknowledging questions and, like you, in that video, you know, kind of giving this idea that a 14-year-old can consent to some of the known risks of infertility or, you know, other things.
00:19:13.000It's really, it's been very, it's been very shocking to listen to these things.
00:19:16.000And I hope people get the opportunity to listen.
00:19:18.000You can go to wpatapes.com and you can see a recording.
00:19:22.000We're also going to be linking to some of the video clips so people can just get an idea for themselves because everyone deserves to know what's going on.
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00:20:42.000Many of you will have been aware of this from afar at the University of Wyoming, Kappa Kappa, Gamma, a transgender individual or an identified individual, and Riley's going to correct me on this, tried to join the house.
00:21:02.000So without further ado, I just want to introduce we've got Hannah Holtmeier, Allie Kogan, Jalen Westenbrook, Brock, and Riley Gaines on the call right now.
00:21:13.000Ladies, thank you for joining the Charlie Kirk show.
00:23:37.000But this vote was a lot different than normal.
00:23:40.000Usually, we do an app called Omega Recruit for this process.
00:23:45.000This was not used for this individual, but it was used for all of the other individuals through that recruitment year.
00:23:52.000So, this time we used a Google poll to vote, and we had to attach our emails, which no longer made it anonymous, which it should have been.
00:24:02.000And so, that is kind of how it happened.
00:24:05.000But before this vote happened, we had some of the officers, the seniors, which is my pledge class, stand up and give speeches basically saying that if you didn't give this person membership, you were transphobic, you were all of these horrible, awful things, and you didn't align with CAPIT's values, and you just shouldn't be there anymore.
00:24:24.000So, there was a lot of bullying approaches.
00:24:26.000After the first vote, they ended up telling us we needed to vote again.
00:24:51.000There was a lot of bullying and coercion, it sounds like, that took place both in this public setting, but also this online forum where they forced you to put your emails up.
00:25:03.000So, this man gets in essentially through these coercive efforts.
00:25:08.000What was it like in the days and weeks following that vote?
00:25:34.000They were not being there to help and support us like they said they would.
00:25:38.000And I mean, honestly, I joined college and I never anticipated being part of a lawsuit, but it felt like it was the only action that we could take before they would finally hear us.
00:25:47.000So, I want to throw up a picture of this individual.
00:25:51.000I mean, you know, I can say it, you can't.
00:25:55.000Sometimes, you know, people that are, again, Riley's going to get mad at me.
00:26:00.000Trans-identifying, sometimes they can kind of, you know, pass under, you know, if you're glancing, you're like, oh, okay, that's, I wouldn't know.
00:26:12.000And there were a lot of rumors about this man and some of the behaviors in the class or in the house.
00:26:21.000Can you guys share any of those details?
00:26:23.000Or, I mean, again, protect your lawsuit, do what you have to do.
00:26:26.000But as far as behavior in the house, were there moments where this guy, this dude, was making you actively uncomfortable or doing creepy things?
00:28:07.000I know that you're going in and out of service here.
00:28:09.000Riley, what has your message been for these young women, these brave young women that are taking this, that have been put in a position they never asked to be put in, like you, you were put is very similar story for you, Riley.
00:28:20.000What has your message been to these brave young ladies?
00:28:23.000Well, yeah, sorry for cutting in and out.
00:28:26.000On the road, as always, but my message to these brave girls, when we initially got in contact maybe a year or so ago, and first hearing about this story, of course, I kind of saw the parallels.
00:28:42.000I knew sports was different in a sense from sororities, but upon talking with them, hearing their experience, there are so many similarities.
00:28:52.000The sisterhood they were promised, it's the exact same thing that me and my teammates were promised.
00:28:58.000What they got from their sorority in terms of leadership, setting goals, working to achieve those goals, how you develop time management.
00:29:06.000I mean, your friendships, relationships that will serve you for the rest of your life, specifically in regard to the experience, the trauma, the emotional blackmail, the threats, the risk, all those things, the parallels were there.
00:29:18.000And so these girls have been incredibly brave.
00:29:22.000They are fighting for more than just themselves.
00:29:24.000They are fighting for more than just Kappa, Kappa, Gamma.
00:29:26.000They are fighting for every young girl who dreams of that sisterhood that they sought after when enrolling at the University of Wyoming.
00:29:34.000It's actually these girls that inspired me and 15 other athletes to sign on to a lawsuit to sue the NCAA.
00:30:55.000She actually went as far to say it's unquestionably not defined.
00:30:59.000She went on to say that Kappa not only has the right to interpret this word as they wish, she said they have the duty to interpret this word as they wish.
00:31:09.000And they didn't need to announce their interpretation or redefinition of this word because they didn't need to be transparent.
00:31:16.000And when one of the judges, a Biden appointee, actually, when one of the judges asked her, okay, well, if you're saying the word woman can mean anything under the sun, cannot include cisgender men, to which she responded with, she doesn't have the research to tell you if cisgender men is a reasonable interpretation for the word woman.
00:31:39.000That's why I'm not a biologist all over again.
00:33:14.000I want people to know that everything that they've experienced, that I'm certainly not the first trans person to ever be attacked by elements in the media.
00:33:27.000I want people to know that it's never okay for that kind of scrutiny on a person just because of their identity, just because I'm trans.
00:33:40.000Every day that they can be themselves is a good day for us all.
00:35:12.000As Jalen said, to paint himself as some sort of victim here, remember, sororities were created on the explicit and utter grounds of being exclusive.
00:35:26.000Exclusivity is not only an important thing, I would argue that it's a great thing, especially when safety is being threatened or privacy or equal opportunities.
00:35:39.000But we have now, in the society that we live in, we have deemed exclusivity as this bad thing that further marginalizes already oppressed groups of people.
00:35:51.000But are we forgetting that women were historically oppressed if that's the game we're going to play?
00:35:55.000And not that long ago, I mean, women couldn't even compete at the collegiate level.
00:36:00.000I mean, really at any level, 50 years ago.
00:36:03.000So, the strides that we have made as women, the people who came before us, who fought relentlessly so that we could have the opportunities that we have now or previously had before the Biden administration, at least speaking to sports and sororities, has rewritten Title IX and abolished our sex-based protections and rights.
00:37:09.000But it can and it will because it includes women's bathrooms, women's prisons, any kind of intimate women's space is being infiltrated by men.
00:37:16.000And so you just need to speak up on it.