The Charlie Kirk Show - The DOGE Super-Geniuses Speak Out

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00:00:01.000 Doge speaks out the super geniuses that are supercharging our government.

00:00:06.000 Phenomenal conversation that Brett Baer had with them.

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00:01:30.000 The media has done everything they possibly can.

00:01:33.000 To weaken Elon Musk and the Doge effort.

00:01:35.000 The Doge effort, the Department of Government Efficiency, is a once-in-a-century opportunity to restrain the size, the scope of the federal government.

00:01:45.000 We have gone so far off the founders' and the framers' original intent on what a constitutional purpose should be for our federal government.

00:01:53.000 Elon Musk sat down yesterday with Bret Baier, with his team of super geniuses.

00:01:58.000 And this is worth going...

00:02:00.000 Clip by clip and piece by piece.

00:02:02.000 If you missed it, we're going to bring you up to speed.

00:02:06.000 It was phenomenal.

00:02:09.000 This group of super geniuses are a blessing to our nation.

00:02:12.000 You see, the media wants you to believe that they are a menace to our nation.

00:02:16.000 When in reality, it's the permanent federal bureaucracy that does nothing all day long at best and does active damage to our country at worst.

00:02:25.000 They're passing rules and regulations that have no applicability to your life.

00:02:29.000 They're the ones that were investigating President Trump.

00:02:32.000 They're the ones that are going after small businesses. 1.00

00:02:34.000 They're the ones that were going after moms and dads at school board meetings.

00:02:38.000 And also there's just the unnecessary administrative bloat at the Department of Education and Health and Human Services.

00:02:45.000 For example, at the Department of Health and Human Services, Bobby Kennedy has identified there are 100 communication departments.

00:02:54.000 One hundred.

00:02:55.000 He says we should just have one.

00:02:57.000 Consolidate it.

00:02:58.000 We don't need 100 separate communication departments.

00:03:02.000 And at every corner and every turn, as you work hard to write your checks by April 15th and tax days right around the corner, you send that money to Washington, D.C. and have it wasted with zero concern for fiscal prudence, for zero concern to try to balance the budget.

00:03:20.000 And Elon Musk, despite everything that he has to lose, the Tesla terrorism, the death threats, Them going after his children.

00:03:30.000 Elon Musk is an anti-fragile individual.

00:03:34.000 You could be fragile, you shatter upon any opposition.

00:03:38.000 You could be strong, someone that is able to endure opposition, but anti-fragile, and Donald Trump is the same way, they get stronger the more you attack them.

00:03:50.000 They find energy and a life force the more that you throw at them.

00:03:55.000 Elon Musk sat down with this group of super geniuses and understand how blessed we are to have people with this high IQ, this determination, working in our government.

00:04:07.000 And our media is truly the enemy of the American people for trying to dox them and stop them.

00:04:13.000 We may never have this chance again to have this many capable people serving in our government to restore the constitutional intent.

00:04:23.000 With real kind of business expertise.

00:04:27.000 Real wisdom.

00:04:28.000 These guys are studs.

00:04:29.000 And I want to play this.

00:04:30.000 Let's just go one by one.

00:04:31.000 Let's start with cut 340.

00:04:33.000 And by the way, credit to Brett Baer.

00:04:35.000 He did a terrific job last night.

00:04:37.000 Play cut 340.

00:04:38.000 And sort of at a high level, you should think of this as we want to reduce the spending by eliminating waste and produce the spending by 15%, which seems really quite achievable.

00:04:51.000 The government is not efficient, and there's a lot of waste and fraud, so we feel confident that a 15% reduction can be done without affecting any of the critical government's You could only be against this if you work for the government, are receiving graft from the federal government, or you're in on the entire cabal against the American people.

00:05:19.000 This truly is the citizens versus The Leviathan.

00:05:23.000 It is the citizens versus the intractable federal bureaucracy.

00:05:30.000 Elon Musk continues.

00:05:32.000 Let's play cut 344. 0.75

00:05:34.000 At Social Security, one of the first things we learned is that they get phone calls every day of people trying to change direct deposit information.

00:05:42.000 So, when you want to change your bank account, you can call Social Security.

00:05:45.000 We learned 40% of the phone calls that they get are from fraudsters.

00:05:49.000 Almost half.

00:05:50.000 Yes, and they steal people's Social Security, is what happens.

00:05:53.000 They call in, they claim to be a retiree, and they convince the Social Security person on the phone to change where the money's flowing.

00:06:05.000 It actually goes to some fraudster.

00:06:07.000 This is happening all day, every day.

00:06:09.000 And then somebody doesn't receive their Social Security.

00:06:15.000 You are the world's richest man and the greatest innovator maybe of the last 100 years, definitely of a generation, that is using his brainpower, his capacity, his fortune to go make sure that fraudsters are not able to steal Social Security checks.

00:06:33.000 The Democrats in the media are lying.

00:06:35.000 Oh, they want to cut Social Security.

00:06:37.000 They're actually trying to save it for all of you that paid into it.

00:06:41.000 Stephen Davis, who I've had an opportunity to know, who is a super genius.

00:06:45.000 This is a guy that could run any Fortune 100 company.

00:06:49.000 He could run Amazon.

00:06:50.000 He could run Salesforce.

00:06:52.000 He could run Dropbox.

00:06:54.000 He could run Alphabet.

00:06:56.000 This guy is incredibly bright.

00:06:59.000 And instead, the Democrats, they don't want to try to work in the middle to try and find common sense solutions.

00:07:07.000 They have zero, zero interest.

00:07:11.000 In trying to deliver for the American people.

00:07:13.000 Because if you're going after the size of the federal government, you are going after the untouchable relic of the Democrat Party.

00:07:22.000 They worship the state.

00:07:24.000 They find meaning from the state.

00:07:27.000 And this group of super geniuses, this group of men, they're not flashy.

00:07:31.000 They're motivated by patriotism.

00:07:33.000 And it's honestly inspiring.

00:07:35.000 It means that we should fight even harder here in the grassroots.

00:07:38.000 We should fight harder in the trenches.

00:07:40.000 That we should do even more.

00:07:43.000 Because they're out there.

00:07:44.000 There is no reason they have to be doing this.

00:07:47.000 It's not for money.

00:07:48.000 It's not for fame or fortune.

00:07:49.000 They have themselves doxxed.

00:07:51.000 They have their families being targeted.

00:07:54.000 They're all getting death threats.

00:07:56.000 We're all getting death threats.

00:07:58.000 The media is going after them relentlessly.

00:08:00.000 Capitol Hill is trying to assail them.

00:08:02.000 And it's all because they know that we are careening towards bankruptcy as a nation.

00:08:09.000 If we do not cut spending significantly, find the waste, find the abuse, find the bloat, find the unconstitutional programs, we will reach a tipping point of no responsibility.

00:08:20.000 The amount of issues that were the Social Security system are enormous.

00:08:26.000 As an example, there are over 15 million people that are over the age of 120 that are marked as alive.

00:08:34.000 In the Social Security system.

00:08:35.000 And that's an accurate figure. 0.89

00:08:37.000 Correct. This has been something that's been identified as a problem.

00:08:41.000 Again, pre-existing problems since 2008, at least, from an IG report.

00:08:46.000 So there were some great people working at the Social Security Administration that found this, 2008, and nothing was done.

00:08:54.000 And so 15 to 20 million Social Security numbers that were clearly fraudulent were floating around that can be used.

00:09:01.000 Only for bad intentions.

00:09:02.000 There'd be no way to use those for good intentions.

00:09:04.000 And so one of the things the Doge team is doing is carefully and very methodically looking at those and making sure that any fraudulent ones are eliminated.

00:09:12.000 I mean, this is inspiring stuff.

00:09:14.000 You have never been able to assemble a team of all-stars like this.

00:09:18.000 Ever. Maybe during World War II.

00:09:21.000 Maybe during World War II we had industrial titans that were able to come together for a short period of time.

00:09:27.000 We had Barrar Baruch.

00:09:28.000 We had a short window.

00:09:31.000 of industrial might that came together to say we want to go win World War II.

00:09:35.000 This is the greatest team of all stars that has been assembled in 50 or 60 years.

00:09:41.000 And the Wall Street Journal doesn't mention it.

00:09:43.000 The New York Times doesn't mention it.

00:09:45.000 They're too worried talking about a signal chat, which we've covered thoroughly.

00:09:50.000 And President Trump just delivered some much-needed air cover and firepower.

00:09:57.000 President Donald Trump signed an executive order last night.

00:10:00.000 I'm going to tell you what it is.

00:10:01.000 It is monumental.

00:10:02.000 It is so desperately needed.

00:10:05.000 It is a game changer that will allow Doge to do their work.

00:10:09.000 And it goes right after the core of the federal bureaucracy.

00:10:13.000 It goes right at how the federal bureaucracy is so untouchable.

00:10:17.000 And it's all because of an executive order that was signed previously.

00:10:21.000 And President Trump is reversing it.

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00:11:46.000 But President Trump continues on his laser-focused precision campaign.

00:11:51.000 Last night he signed one of the most important executive orders that a president has signed in nearly 50 years.

00:11:59.000 And it's gotten almost no media attention.

00:12:02.000 Front page of the New York Times there.

00:12:04.000 What are they talking about here?

00:12:06.000 Perched in luxury as shantytowns rolled by. 1.00

00:12:10.000 Something about South Africa.

00:12:12.000 What is the Wall Street Journal talking about?

00:12:15.000 Health agency to cut 10,000 jobs.

00:12:17.000 Well, this actually applies to that.

00:12:19.000 And then also something about the Yankees, because baseball is back.

00:12:24.000 President Donald Trump signed last evening something I've been pushing for publicly on this show and privately with White House staff, and it is monumental.

00:12:33.000 This is your good...

00:12:35.000 News story of the week.

00:12:36.000 Because it's been a little bit annoying.

00:12:38.000 Got a little glitch.

00:12:39.000 You got the signal thing.

00:12:40.000 You're doing hooty stuff.

00:12:41.000 We got people leaking.

00:12:43.000 They're blaming Pete Hegsak.

00:12:44.000 No, no, no, everybody.

00:12:45.000 This is a beautiful, delicious ending to your week.

00:12:48.000 And of course, the courts are going to try and stop it, but we'll win in the end.

00:12:52.000 President Trump is launching an effort that we're not even sure that he would attempt, and he deserves our credit and our praise.

00:12:59.000 Late last night, President Trump signed an executive order to end collective bargaining and unionization with federal unions at many federal agencies, including the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Defense, the Department of Justice, the Department of State, the EPA, and USAID.

00:13:15.000 Overall, this would revoke the right to unionize for 75% of currently unionized federal workers.

00:13:21.000 Now let me pause.

00:13:22.000 President Trump, as you can see, is being very smart.

00:13:25.000 He's not touching Border Patrol.

00:13:27.000 He's not touching...

00:13:29.000 People that are in ICE, that are in front lines, that have union agreements, understandably, in case someone gets shot, similar to kind of police officer work.

00:13:38.000 No, no, no.

00:13:38.000 This is if you're a paper shuffler at the EPA.

00:13:42.000 If you're a paper shuffler at the Department of Agriculture.

00:13:46.000 The president has the power to do this.

00:13:48.000 Federal law allows the president to override unionization rights for any federal agency involved in national security work.

00:13:56.000 This is badly needed.

00:13:58.000 Badly. The entire concept of a public sector employee union is hugely damaging to the body politic.

00:14:06.000 In the private sector, unions can work at least in theory because workers and owners are in theory opposed to each other.

00:14:13.000 It's a little nonsensical, but in theory.

00:14:15.000 Workers want higher wages.

00:14:17.000 Owners want lower wages.

00:14:18.000 But they have to collaborate.

00:14:20.000 Because if the business goes broke, everyone loses.

00:14:23.000 But in a government union, this obviously does not apply.

00:14:26.000 The government doesn't go bankrupt or go out of business.

00:14:28.000 And on top of that, the CEO of the government is elected.

00:14:31.000 So we get what we've seen in city after city and state after state.

00:14:35.000 And in our federal government, too.

00:14:37.000 Lawmakers have gotten elected by pandering to the government workforce to make them higher pay and benefits in return for votes.

00:14:45.000 And it is a self-destructing bankruptcy.

00:14:50.000 An inevitable bankruptcy destination cycle.

00:14:54.000 If you look at the numbers today, the average federal employee is paid more than a private sector employee and has vastly more benefits.

00:15:02.000 More time off, doing less work, no accountability, all paid for by you and your grandkids via our mounting national debt.

00:15:10.000 We have to end this.

00:15:12.000 If we want a federal government that actually works for the public instead of itself.

00:15:18.000 Now, we know what happens next.

00:15:19.000 This will be challenged in court by the unions themselves.

00:15:21.000 We'll probably get a nationwide injunction against it.

00:15:24.000 We'll probably have to go to the U.S. Supreme Court, and maybe they won't even hold it up at all.

00:15:29.000 But this absolutely has to be a priority of the American right.

00:15:34.000 America has been driven into the ground by a bunch of cartels.

00:15:38.000 We've talked a lot about the college credential cartel.

00:15:40.000 We've talked about the Sinaloa drug cartel.

00:15:42.000 We know about the military-industrial complex war cartel.

00:15:46.000 But we have to make a priority of cutting down and cutting back and raising the expectations of the federal employee cartel.

00:15:54.000 And this goes right at the Democrat Party.

00:15:57.000 The federal unionization practices are a major built-in incumbency advantage for the Democrat Party.

00:16:05.000 This is a shot across the bow against the administrative state.

00:16:08.000 So now you have Doge, as we've been mentioning, finding waste, finding abuse.

00:16:13.000 Finding unnecessary positions, but we can't do anything about it if all the public sector unions are unionized.

00:16:19.000 All the public sector workers are unionized.

00:16:21.000 Do you know who is against public sector unions?

00:16:23.000 FDR was even against public sector unions.

00:16:26.000 He said it was a conflict of interest.

00:16:28.000 He said that the incentives work against one another.

00:16:31.000 This started by executive order, and this can end by executive order.

00:16:35.000 And we weren't even sure if President Trump was going to go there, because this is a big move, a necessary one, a courageous one.

00:16:42.000 A declarative one.

00:16:44.000 And one that will restore fidelity to our federal government.

00:16:47.000 That will restore responsibility for the U.S. taxpayers.

00:16:52.000 This is one of my favorite of all the executive orders that President Trump has signed to end the forced unionization of people that are supposed to work for us.

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00:18:05.000 We have a great guest here.

00:18:07.000 Dr. David Azarad, I'm going to want to have him on the program.

00:18:09.000 He's a tough guy to nail down.

00:18:11.000 He's phenomenal.

00:18:11.000 And I love his online courses with Hillsdale College.

00:18:16.000 One in particular that I re-watched and I took very special notes was all about progressivism and about the left.

00:18:26.000 Dr. David Azarad...

00:18:28.000 From Hillsdale College, understands the philosophy of the ideology of BLM and CRT.

00:18:34.000 Joining us now is Dr. David Azarad, Associate Professor of Government for Hillsdale College in D.C. Dr. Azarad, great to see you.

00:18:42.000 Thank you for having me, Charlie.

00:18:43.000 So, Doctor, there's lots to talk about here.

00:18:45.000 Kind of piggybacking on what I just mentioned, I do want to ask the question, where do you think the left will head next?

00:18:53.000 Where do you think the left will hit back as the right does its well-earned metaphorical victory laps?

00:19:01.000 What can we expect from the progressives, the Marxists?

00:19:05.000 I'd say two things.

00:19:08.000 One is, I think the Democratic Party is unwilling, incapable to moderate itself, to tack to the center.

00:19:17.000 Part of me wants to say they're beholden to extremists, but the part of it is that would imply that there's a fringe minority of extremists, whereas the party is run by fanatics.

00:19:26.000 So I don't expect any tack to the center anytime soon.

00:19:31.000 And I think that's great.

00:19:32.000 You should never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake.

00:19:35.000 Let them triple down on BLM, on the trans stuff. 0.90

00:19:39.000 Let's encourage them.

00:19:40.000 Let them discredit themselves and keep on being crazy.

00:19:44.000 Eventually, one day, I think one sign of winning for us...

00:19:49.000 The second thing they're already doing is they're going to deploy the standard playbook they have to interfere and interrupt the president's agenda, which means nationwide injunctions, bog everything down in the courts, have the bureaucracy, the deep state drag its feet and slow things down, mobilize the mobs.

00:20:16.000 We haven't seen much of that yet, but remember, they have Antifa on speed dial.

00:20:22.000 They can start to do the rioting.

00:20:25.000 And then we need to remember that they still control the universities, the elite sectors of America.

00:20:33.000 Some people there who were not fundamentally woke are moving to the center, and some universities are starting to respond to the threats.

00:20:42.000 That the Trump administration is putting on them, namely deporting students and cutting off funds.

00:20:47.000 But, you know, Trump won an impressive victory a few months ago, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the left is still deeply entrenched in almost all of the elite sectors in America, and that they're not going to go down quietly.

00:21:04.000 So, Dr. Asparad, in your online course for Hillsdale College, you talk about how there is...

00:21:11.000 Almost a hierarchy to the beliefs.

00:21:14.000 And you talk about how there is a quote from Nietzsche of which every society has a central piety that essentially something you are not allowed to make fun of.

00:21:25.000 Can you explain that to our audience?

00:21:26.000 I thought that was a deeply profound point.

00:21:29.000 And how is that at all instructive to the current political moment that we're in?

00:21:34.000 I mean, the current left worships victimhood.

00:21:39.000 You know, you refer to them as Marxist.

00:21:41.000 I think there's influences of Marx, but there has been a fundamental transformation.

00:21:47.000 I mean, Marx doesn't worship victimized identity groups.

00:21:51.000 It's all about class conflict.

00:21:52.000 I mean, there is an influence there via the Frankfurt School, but we're dealing with a phenomenon that is different and new, I mean, at least since the 1960s.

00:22:02.000 And there is a hierarchy of victims.

00:22:05.000 There is a hierarchy of oppression.

00:22:07.000 I mean, what defines these identity groups is how oppressed they claim to be and the extent to which their oppression is recognized by society.

00:22:16.000 So at the top of the totem pole, obviously, are our fellow Black citizens.

00:22:21.000 That is the ultimate piety.

00:22:24.000 You see, I mean, to the extent that it has penetrated the right to a large extent.

00:22:28.000 I mean, the example I always like to give is, you know, if a conservative foundation is handing out grants to high school students on a purely meritocratic basis, and if they end up with no Black kids, not because they discriminate it, because it so happened that we judge people by the content of their character, almost always they feel bad. 0.66

00:22:46.000 It weighs on the conscience.

00:22:49.000 The right has partially bought into the framework that you need to have Black people present to lend more legitimacy to an institution.

00:22:58.000 Now, obviously, the right doesn't go as far as the left and saying it should be at least 13%.

00:23:02.000 There can never be too many.

00:23:05.000 But that is the central piety.

00:23:07.000 I think the second one is women. 1.00

00:23:10.000 I think the third one is, you know, the so-called LGBTQ community.

00:23:16.000 And then it gets a little bit hazy.

00:23:18.000 I think Muslims come and go, but I think the central piety in order are our fellow Black citizens, women, and then, you know, the LGBTQ rainbow coalition, which means you defer to them, you don't contradict them, you don't criticize them.

00:23:38.000 You know who Ibram X. Kendi is, right?

00:23:40.000 America's leading charlatan.

00:23:42.000 Harry Rogers or Henry Rogers, whatever his name is, yeah.

00:23:45.000 Yes, by his real name, exactly.

00:23:47.000 You know, in his interminable, tedious book, Stamped from the Beginning, The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America, which I would not suggest you read, is way too long.

00:23:58.000 He does have a great line in there.

00:23:59.000 He says repeatedly, there's nothing wrong with black people.

00:24:04.000 And to which you might add, and there's nothing wrong with women. 1.00

00:24:06.000 There's nothing wrong with LGBTQ.

00:24:08.000 There's nothing wrong with anyone who has the privilege of having their oppression be recognized.

00:24:14.000 That's the key thing.

00:24:16.000 And I should add that, you know, who gets to have their oppression recognized can change.

00:24:21.000 So the Jews used to be part of, you know, the roster of the aggrieved because of the Holocaust.

00:24:27.000 But now because of Israel and the fact that Israel is viewed as a white Western colonial nation that is oppressing noble brown Muslims, Jews have lost the oppressed status and are being pushed in the evil white category.

00:24:38.000 So these things have some flexibility, but ultimately the left decides.

00:24:44.000 If you were to just give an analysis, do you think it's possible or likely that, from a political standpoint, left-wing Democrats will be able to, let's just say, put the more radical elements of their party in a corner and run to the middle?

00:25:05.000 How entrenched are what we would call woke, DEI, critical race theory?

00:25:11.000 Is it possible?

00:25:14.000 I think if it happens is because we force them against their will to moderate, meaning we need to break the hard left to allow the timid, moderate, more moderate voices on the left and in the Democratic Party to assert themselves because they are, they defer to their left.

00:25:36.000 You know, the left flank of moderate liberals is weak.

00:25:39.000 They're afraid of being called racist by people to their left.

00:25:42.000 So it'll only come about if we succeed.

00:25:47.000 You know, one way to think about it is look at what Reagan did with the economy in the 80s and how he forced the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton to somewhat move to the right on economic questions, right?

00:26:00.000 The new way.

00:26:01.000 The Democratic Leadership Council that got Bill Clinton elected.

00:26:04.000 You only do that after you really triumph.

00:26:08.000 So I think it won't come about by themselves.

00:26:12.000 It'll come about if we win in such a decisive way that we marginalize their radicals, therefore creating room for their moderates to speak out.

00:26:22.000 And I don't see a way to do that outside of breaking the universities.

00:26:28.000 You had some very kind words about Hillsdale College that I share entirely, but we both know that Hillsdale is in no way representative of a university in America.

00:26:37.000 The universities are the nerve center of the regime.

00:26:40.000 They are the madrasas of the left.

00:26:43.000 If you look at the common denominator to the people running the media, Hollywood, the deep state, the judiciary, the non-profit, the foundations, the arts, Hollywood, people who went to college.

00:26:54.000 This is where you learn the creed.

00:26:56.000 This is where you are made into a fanatic.

00:26:58.000 This is where you learn the pieties.

00:27:00.000 We need to break the universities.

00:27:02.000 And there is a way to do that.

00:27:04.000 We send them the money, either directly, or we send the Pell grants that fund the students that go to these universities.

00:27:11.000 And finally, God bless them, President Trump is starting to attach strings to the funds.

00:27:19.000 But you've got to ask yourself, like, why have we not done this before?

00:27:21.000 But so I would say...

00:27:24.000 There's going to be no more moderation until we moderate the universities.

00:27:28.000 And I do think it is doable.

00:27:30.000 I hope so.

00:27:32.000 One of my concerns, President Trump is fighting hard.

00:27:36.000 Why are red states still funding so many of these schools on the state level?

00:27:41.000 For example, I'm going to Oklahoma State University next week.

00:27:45.000 Riley Gaines with Turning Point USA is going to University of Oklahoma.

00:27:48.000 Our students are getting assaulted in Norman, Oklahoma, on campus University of Oklahoma.

00:27:52.000 They have DEI departments.

00:27:54.000 They have transgender stuff.

00:27:55.000 Oklahoma is the reddest state in the country.

00:27:57.000 Every county voted for Trump.

00:27:59.000 And yet the taxpayers of Oklahoma are still funding the University of Oklahoma.

00:28:04.000 Quickly, David, help me understand that.

00:28:06.000 What's that all about?

00:28:07.000 I'd say it's a combination.

00:28:09.000 One is, you know, Americans have a lot of emotional ties to their universities in a way that people in other countries don't.

00:28:18.000 Like, I grew up in Canada.

00:28:19.000 We don't speak of an alma mater.

00:28:21.000 We don't donate.

00:28:22.000 I don't wear T-shirts with the universities I went to.

00:28:25.000 For Americans, it's a rite of passage.

00:28:28.000 You know, I always tell my students, in America, we make more college movies than any other country that I've ever heard of.

00:28:34.000 It's, you know...

00:28:35.000 So true.

00:28:36.000 It defines part of who you are.

00:28:37.000 And so these state legislators, right, they went there.

00:28:41.000 They have the University of Oklahoma sweatshirts.

00:28:44.000 They go to the games.

00:28:45.000 If they're in Alabama, it's roll-tied.

00:28:48.000 I mean, that's the other dimension, is that it's tied up with football and basketball.

00:28:51.000 The sports is a major, major problem.

00:28:53.000 And I'm victim of it.

00:28:55.000 I love college sports.

00:28:56.000 I think it's amazing.

00:28:57.000 It's entertaining.

00:28:58.000 And yet, when you're talking about defunding, we'll just take it for a second, in Mississippi, well, they're like, well, Ole Miss is in the Sweet 16. Why would I defund the school?

00:29:06.000 Hold on.

00:29:08.000 The athletic department is completely different than the fact that they're teaching kids to hate white people.

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00:30:22.000 Plug some of the work you're doing in Hillsdale.

00:30:24.000 Enlighten our audience about the critical work Hillsdale College is doing.

00:30:27.000 So I teach in the D.C. campus, which is a little outpost in the swamp that we set up a few years ago.

00:30:34.000 And we have undergrads who come from the main campus to do a semester with us.

00:30:38.000 And then the main feature is we have a master's program where we teach the great books, we teach political theory, American political thought.

00:30:47.000 You know, I basically describe it as saying we've got one foot in the academy and one foot in the real world.

00:30:53.000 So we're going to read Aristotle, we'll read Rousseau, Marx, Nietzsche, but not just with the view to understanding the book, but to thinking about what light they shed on the current American predicament.

00:31:03.000 Because at the end of the day, the mission is to revitalize the republic.

00:31:07.000 We cannot just send kids to college to live in the clouds.

00:31:10.000 You can't just look at abstractions.

00:31:13.000 You must apply philosophy to life.

00:31:16.000 That's why I love that you guys teach Aristotle.

00:31:18.000 It is the essence of the thing that matters.

00:31:22.000 CharlieforHillsdale.com.

00:31:23.000 Everyone should check it out.

00:31:24.000 So, Dr. Azaret, I cut you off.

00:31:26.000 Talk more about how some of these very deep red states, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee.

00:31:31.000 I just want University of Tennessee.

00:31:33.000 I mean, the same problem here.

00:31:35.000 deep red states where we are financing the very institutions, the colleges that are teaching our kids to hate themselves, hate their country, hate white people.

00:31:45.000 President Trump can only do so much.

00:31:47.000 In reality, the states hold far more power and authority than the federal government here.

00:31:54.000 So we talked about the one problem is the emotional, excessive emotional attachment to these universities.

00:32:01.000 The, you know, nostalgia for college.

00:32:03.000 I mean, think of the movie.

00:32:05.000 Old school, right?

00:32:06.000 Guys in their 40s who go back to college and it's like life is wonderful.

00:32:10.000 So there's that.

00:32:11.000 It's exacerbated, as we mentioned, by the football and the basketball programs.

00:32:16.000 Second, you have the fact, look, who's serving in a state legislature?

00:32:20.000 Good people, but, you know, it's going to be a dentist, a small business owner.

00:32:25.000 They are intimidated by the professors.

00:32:28.000 They are intimidated by the academics because they're like, well, you know, they've got big diplomas.

00:32:34.000 I don't.

00:32:34.000 They use fancy words.

00:32:35.000 They've read more books.

00:32:37.000 I mean, part of it is we should embolden state legislators to see that most academics are charlatans.

00:32:45.000 I don't want to say all of them, and it's not evenly distributed.

00:32:48.000 Usually the hard sciences are pretty good, but in the social sciences, in the humanities, it's a farce at this point.

00:32:55.000 And whatever credentials or publications they have, you shouldn't be intimidated because you've got common sense on your side.

00:33:02.000 And third, I would say, I mean, this is partially a failure of the conservative movement because the job of the institutional right should be to equip state legislators with the strategies, the policies they need to deal serious blows to the universities.

00:33:18.000 And the right has been complaining about universities ever since...

00:33:23.000 Bill Buckley wrote his first book, God and Man at Yale, I think in 1950.

00:33:28.000 And since then, what have we mostly done?

00:33:30.000 Lecture series, you said you guys are going to speak.

00:33:33.000 That's good, but that doesn't fundamentally alter things.

00:33:36.000 We set up little centers.

00:33:38.000 We tinker with the curriculum.

00:33:40.000 We need bolder moves.

00:33:43.000 And I think the think tanks, the red state think tanks, the conservative think tanks and the national ones need to develop a more aggressive higher ed reform agenda to help these state legislators do the right thing.

00:33:56.000 Because, you know, the moment right now is different.

00:34:00.000 The appetite is there.

00:34:02.000 Trump, you know, one of my favorite line is from Pat Buchanan's memoirs.

00:34:07.000 It's that courage is contagious.

00:34:09.000 What Trump is doing is spreading, but people need to know how to go about it, how to navigate higher red reform. 0.93

00:34:17.000 But it is absolutely doable.

00:34:19.000 I think the state that has probably done the most is Florida under Governor DeSantis.

00:34:24.000 But even there, you know, they still haven't shuttered.

00:34:29.000 For example, why is any red state having a sociology department at a public university?

00:34:35.000 Tell me what good reason there could be to...

00:34:39.000 Taxpayers to fund kids studying sociology today. 0.80

00:34:43.000 If you want to study sociology, go to a private college.

00:34:46.000 The taxpayers of the red state, we're not funding that.

00:34:50.000 No one has yet done that.

00:34:51.000 Close down every sociology department, every black studies department, every women's studies department, every critical legal theory.

00:35:01.000 Go after them.

00:35:02.000 Close them.

00:35:03.000 Fire the tenured professors.

00:35:05.000 I mean, I'm...

00:35:06.000 I'm enthusiastically in agreement.

00:35:08.000 So to affirm what you're saying, University of Oklahoma, I'm not just picking on them because there's dozens like this.

00:35:14.000 They have a whole sociology department, a whole department that the taxpayers of, and by the way, the first thing you see at the sociology department is LGBTQR&E collective practice mini-conference.

00:35:28.000 That's the first thing that you see.

00:35:30.000 Charlie, you and I didn't coordinate this, right?

00:35:33.000 No, no.

00:35:33.000 There's no coordination.

00:35:34.000 I just typed it in.

00:35:36.000 I wonder what percentage of taxpayers in Oklahoma would love to work hard and pay their taxes to have an LGBTQ collective at the University of Oklahoma.

00:35:47.000 Again, I'm not trying to just pick on them.

00:35:49.000 There's multiple offenders.

00:35:51.000 However, every county voted for Donald Trump in Oklahoma.

00:35:56.000 As Jussie Smollett said, that is MAGA country.

00:35:58.000 So, Dr. Azrat, again, there was no coordination here whatsoever.

00:36:03.000 We can put this up on screen, actually.

00:36:05.000 Again, this was completely spontaneous, where at the University of Oklahoma, they have here, please join us to support student researchers conducting LGBTQ-related research at the first annual LGBTQR&E Collective mini-practice conference.

00:36:20.000 This is Oklahoma.

00:36:21.000 At this in-person conference, students will give practice a...

00:36:24.000 Practice LGBTQ-related research in conference-style presentations.

00:36:28.000 Again, this is all subsidized.

00:36:30.000 To your point, Dr. Azarad, if you want to study that, just go to a private school.

00:36:38.000 You have the capacity to go raise money and pay private tuition, but not at the expense of the taxpayer.

00:36:45.000 Yeah, it's a free country.

00:36:46.000 We're not banning the study of anything.

00:36:48.000 We're not banning books.

00:36:49.000 We're asking the question, what...

00:36:52.000 Bang, are we getting for a buck?

00:36:53.000 Why are we subsidizing this?

00:36:55.000 You know, one way to do it is you've got to humiliate these charlatans.

00:37:01.000 I mean, one thing I would do is testimonies, bring them out, find the state legislators who are the most verbally nimble and the sharpest, prep them well, and then make a mockery of these fools.

00:37:13.000 I mean, these people are so insulated from reality.

00:37:17.000 I mean, Charlie, do you realize how thick their bubbles are?

00:37:21.000 In terms of when's the last time they were challenged and questioned?

00:37:25.000 The whole academy is surrounded by such fools.

00:37:28.000 Their conferences, the journals they read.

00:37:30.000 Conservative students, they rarely encounter.

00:37:33.000 And if they do, they're afraid to speak in class.

00:37:35.000 They don't have colleagues challenging them.

00:37:37.000 Trot them out and call them out.

00:37:39.000 Like what was done yesterday to the head of NPR.

00:37:42.000 Bring out these people, mock them, humiliate them.

00:37:46.000 The power of humiliation.

00:37:49.000 Can never be understated.

00:37:51.000 And, you know, again, this is something that Trump has been doing exceedingly well as a president.

00:37:57.000 Perfectly legal.

00:37:58.000 It's perfectly constitutional.

00:38:00.000 You mock, you reveal that the emperor has no clothes.

00:38:03.000 And that builds further support.

00:38:05.000 You then publicize the best excerpts on Twitter, on cable news, and that creates the appetite to defund the departments.

00:38:13.000 I think that's exactly right.

00:38:16.000 I want to just close with this.

00:38:18.000 What you're talking about is using the MAGA movement to go after some of the institutions that are creating the infantry of the radical left, albeit the chief offender is higher education.

00:38:36.000 Yeah, because, look, you know the line, right?

00:38:39.000 Live by the pen, die by the pen.

00:38:41.000 You can issue all the executive orders you want.

00:38:44.000 They're wonderful.

00:38:44.000 I'm not trying to downplay the importance of that.

00:38:46.000 But at the end of the day, all of this can be undone by your successor if he happens to be a Democrat.

00:38:52.000 We need to burn some real political capital to fundamentally alter the rules of the game.

00:38:58.000 I mean, I think the Republicans should be willing to lose Congress, the House, and the midterms and ram through one or two big transformational bills.

00:39:07.000 I mean, think of what Obama did with Obamacare.

00:39:10.000 I would probably suggest higher ed reform.

00:39:14.000 There might be other contenders we need to think it through.

00:39:17.000 But something has to go through Congress.

00:39:20.000 And a lot can happen at the state level right now, independently of what's happening in Congress.

00:39:27.000 And we should be willing, in this regard, to be like Democrats. 0.60

00:39:30.000 Burn political capital to ram something through that can't really be undone.

00:39:36.000 I think that is so well said.

00:39:38.000 Wish we had more time.

00:39:39.000 Dr. Azrad, thank you.

00:39:40.000 Everyone should check out charlieforhillsdale.com.

00:39:43.000 Thanks so much.

00:39:43.000 Hope to see you soon.

00:39:44.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:39:45.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:39:46.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:39:49.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 28, 2025

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