The Charlie Kirk Show - The Empathy Issue with Allie B. Stuckey

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00:01:15.000 Allie B. Stuckey, we're on Conquered Land at the Gay Lord Emphasis on Gay. 0.99

00:01:20.000 Welcome.

00:01:21.000 Thanks.

00:01:22.000 For people listening that don't get the reference, we are currently at a hotel in Dallas, Texas, where they have this massive gay flag on equal footing with the Texas flag.

00:01:32.000 Yes, of course.

00:01:33.000 It's just as important.

00:01:34.000 I mean, why not?

00:01:35.000 You're a Texan, right?

00:01:36.000 Yep.

00:01:36.000 Born and raised.

00:01:38.000 How does that make you feel?

00:01:40.000 What is your truth?

00:01:41.000 Yeah, my truth on that is that I'm unfortunately not surprised.

00:01:46.000 Texas, even though it's a great, wonderful state with a lot of freedom-loving people, it goes the way of a lot of states, unfortunately, where we elevate, you know, self-identity to patriotism and being proud of your state.

00:02:00.000 It's a sad world.

00:02:03.000 So let me go through an objection that a wokie gave, who's a Christian guy, who says, why does it matter? 0.95

00:02:11.000 Because I posted about it.

00:02:12.000 He said, how is that impacting you?

00:02:13.000 Yeah, that's always their thing.

00:02:15.000 How does it impact you?

00:02:17.000 And that's how it starts.

00:02:18.000 It doesn't impact you.

00:02:19.000 A Bergenfeld doesn't impact you. 0.82

00:02:21.000 You know, boys going into girls' restrooms doesn't impact you.

00:02:23.000 You're not in college. 0.74

00:02:24.000 Why do you care if a man is swimming against a woman?

00:02:27.000 Why do you care? 0.89

00:02:28.000 You're not the one getting puberty blockers.

00:02:30.000 But if you ask them the same question, do you care about issues that don't directly affect you? 1.00

00:02:36.000 You are not a woman. 1.00

00:02:37.000 This man is not.

00:02:38.000 But you say you care about abortion.

00:02:40.000 If you're straight, you say that you care about gay marriage. 0.56

00:02:43.000 Why do you care about issues that don't directly affect you?

00:02:46.000 And by the way, all of these things do directly affect us.

00:02:49.000 As parents, in particular, all of these things affect us.

00:02:52.000 And they obviously care.

00:02:54.000 I mean, so they care enough to talk about the fact that we don't care.

00:02:58.000 Yeah.

00:02:59.000 And isn't one of their mantras, an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere?

00:03:04.000 Something like that.

00:03:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:06.000 That's another one of the states.

00:03:07.000 That's one of their sticks, right? 0.96

00:03:08.000 Well, police brutality is an effect.

00:03:10.000 Police brutality isn't affecting you.

00:03:11.000 Why do you care?

00:03:12.000 Yeah, but it's a macro.

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:14.000 And they call themselves empathetic.

00:03:16.000 They want us to be empathetic.

00:03:17.000 But when we care about issues that affect other people, like unborn children, all of a sudden, well, why do you care?

00:03:22.000 You're so weird for caring.

00:03:24.000 And so the other question is, so they obviously care so much about pollution and the environment.

00:03:24.000 Yeah.

00:03:29.000 This is soul pollution.

00:03:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:03:31.000 Like having that gay flag out there is, that's degenerative exhaust to our society. 1.00

00:03:37.000 Yeah, of course they don't see it like that. 0.98

00:03:39.000 They see it as liberation.

00:03:40.000 They see it as self-expression.

00:03:42.000 But I think we've seen how slippery the slope is every time.

00:03:45.000 So let's go through something you said.

00:03:47.000 The love of self, which really is a product of modernity.

00:03:51.000 It's a cancer.

00:03:52.000 Yeah.

00:03:52.000 Where did this come from?

00:03:54.000 Yeah.

00:03:54.000 You know, if you read some old Puritan writings, really, if you read the Bible, the scripture says at the end days, people will be lovers of self.

00:04:02.000 That's actually that's in, well, it's actually, it's not in Romans 1, but it is basically the same thing as Romans 1.

00:04:08.000 Um, that you're following yourself, you're following yourself as your own God, you're following your own feelings.

00:04:13.000 It's an indication of evil, it's an indication of wickedness.

00:04:16.000 That doesn't mean that we're supposed to loathe ourselves.

00:04:19.000 Um, that's actually just another form of self-obsession.

00:04:23.000 But we're actually called as Christians to self-forgetfulness, to self-denial, that things aren't about us for better or for worse.

00:04:30.000 Things about things are about something much bigger and someone much bigger and better than us.

00:04:34.000 And there's like a lot of freedom in that.

00:04:36.000 But when you are your own God, like you are tied to all of your own feelings and all of your own cravings and all of your own desires, it becomes a very brutal slave master.

00:04:48.000 And that's an unquestioned principle of modernity.

00:04:53.000 Yeah.

00:04:53.000 Is that you triumph over duty, you triumph over an obligation.

00:04:59.000 Right, right.

00:04:59.000 It's exchanging the God of scripture for the God of self, but it's also exchanging sacrifice for convenience, discomfort, for comfort, everything that allows you instant gratification, that makes you happy in the moment, whether or not it even makes you happier a whole long term.

00:05:14.000 That is the thing that you are not only supposed to pursue, but that you have to pursue in order to achieve some kind of status of fulfillment.

00:05:26.000 And I think that we see where that leads.

00:05:28.000 I mean, rates of depression and anxiety and loneliness and isolation are higher than they've ever been.

00:05:33.000 And the defenders of modernity in Christianity as well, there's plenty of Christian, you know, Christians, I put in air quotes.

00:05:42.000 They say it's because we haven't done a good enough job of tearing down the racism and the sexism and the patriarchy.

00:05:49.000 That's why people are so depressed.

00:05:51.000 I don't think that you could say that any person could argue that even if you think that America is still racist today, which it's not, or still sexist today, whatever, you definitely couldn't say that it's more racist or sexist than it was 60 years ago.

00:05:51.000 Yeah.

00:06:04.000 And yet we're far more depressed and anxious than we were 60 years ago.

00:06:08.000 So that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

00:06:09.000 What, where is the church most failing on this topic?

00:06:15.000 And I use the church as a very overly broad people who identify as going to church basically.

00:06:22.000 And then I think less than 10% are actually really believing of the truths.

00:06:27.000 Maybe, I don't know.

00:06:28.000 That's an approximation.

00:06:29.000 Yeah.

00:06:29.000 Are you talking about the issue of self-love or just all of us?

00:06:32.000 Let's just talk about, I mean, you and I are both believers.

00:06:36.000 I dedicate a majority of my criticism towards people who call themselves believers. 0.98

00:06:42.000 Totally.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, me too.

00:06:43.000 I think a lot of Christians, especially Christian women, they get stuck in what I call the empathy trap, which they're basically told in order to be truly empathetic or to be truly compassionate or loving, you have to be progressive.

00:06:54.000 You have to be for open borders.

00:06:56.000 You have to advocate for, you know, against so-called police brutality or systemic racism or all of these things.

00:07:03.000 And really, they're just being emotionally extorted.

00:07:06.000 They're being morally manipulated.

00:07:09.000 They're being told in order to be a good person, you have to be on the left.

00:07:12.000 I think a lot of Christian women fall into that because they think love and empathy are the same things and they're not.

00:07:20.000 Describe that further. 0.84

00:07:21.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.000 So love inherent in love is truth.

00:07:25.000 We actually read that in 1 Corinthians 13.

00:07:27.000 Love is patient.

00:07:28.000 Love is kind.

00:07:28.000 Love doesn't rejoice in wrongdoing, but it rejoices with the truth.

00:07:32.000 Empathy can be a really good thing.

00:07:34.000 I can put myself in your shoes.

00:07:35.000 If you're struggling as a parent, I can say, Charlie, I've totally been there.

00:07:39.000 That's a really hard time.

00:07:41.000 I know what you're going through.

00:07:42.000 And that form of compassion can be really helpful, whether you're talking personally or politically.

00:07:48.000 But at the end of the day, if you say, look, parenting is really hard, I'm going to leave, you know, I'm going to leave my family.

00:07:55.000 I could empathize with the hardship, but say that is still wrong.

00:07:58.000 So my empathy stops because I have to say, I get what you're saying, but there's truth that has to come in here.

00:08:05.000 So with politics, I can say, look, I understand the plight of the migrant must be really, really difficult.

00:08:11.000 I can empathize in a sense with that woman who is carrying her child across the border.

00:08:16.000 But at the end of the day, borders matter.

00:08:19.000 Truth matters because sovereignty matters, because our safety matters, their security matters.

00:08:24.000 And so you can't stop at empathy when you're making policy decisions.

00:08:28.000 That's where COVID led us.

00:08:30.000 Oh, let's just save grandma. 1.00

00:08:32.000 Well, the other side of that empathy trap is that you ruin the lives of millions of people based on really stupid, unscientific policy. 0.99

00:08:38.000 So love has truth. 0.98

00:08:40.000 Empathy doesn't always.

00:08:41.000 Yeah, you're sweeter than I am.

00:08:43.000 I really don't have a lot of compassion for criminals breaking into our country.

00:08:47.000 I'll be honest.

00:08:48.000 Like, go home.

00:08:49.000 So, but is this like a, is this a hyper-feminine thing in Christianity, though, that you think that is empathy piece?

00:08:56.000 Like, elevating archetypical.

00:08:59.000 I mean, because there's plenty of men who think that way, right?

00:09:01.000 But yeah, I mean, it's a more feminine trait, I think, to be empathetic.

00:09:04.000 I mean, we just demonstrated that just now.

00:09:07.000 And I think that that's good.

00:09:08.000 I think that's, you know, complementary of each other, the feminine and the masculine, when it comes to men being able to see, well, I'm just seeing the logic behind it.

00:09:15.000 Not that women can't be logical too, and women being more feelings-driven and relational. 0.98

00:09:21.000 And so I do think while both men and women can embody these characteristics, it's typically more feminine to put that first.

00:09:28.000 So let me ask a deeper, more provocative question.

00:09:31.000 Has modern Christianity become overly feminized?

00:09:34.000 I think a lot of people would say that it is because a lot of sermons are about how you feel.

00:09:39.000 A lot of sermons are about making you feel good, making sure that you're not insecure, making sure that you feel accepted. 1.00

00:09:46.000 And that's basically what women have been. 0.98

00:09:49.000 We've had that preach to us for years and years. 1.00

00:09:51.000 Just love yourself and all of your problems will be solved. 1.00

00:09:54.000 Should women be pastors? 1.00

00:09:55.000 No, of course not.

00:09:57.000 Well, that's not, of course not.

00:09:59.000 Tell me why.

00:10:00.000 I mean, I agree with you, but I'm just.

00:10:02.000 Yeah, I think Titus 2 is really clear about this.

00:10:05.000 1 Timothy is really clear about this.

00:10:07.000 And the reason for it is not rooted in, and this is, I've gotten in trouble even from like conservatives saying this.

00:10:13.000 It's not rooted in the fact that women are not good communicators.

00:10:17.000 I love to communicate. 0.99

00:10:18.000 I love to give speeches. 1.00

00:10:19.000 It's not rooted in the fact that women are less than or that they're incapable of things.

00:10:24.000 It's for in some kind of mysterious way, it's rooted in creation because Adam was created first.

00:10:29.000 Eve was creative, created second, Eve was deceived, Adam wasn't.

00:10:33.000 That's controversial, but that's what scripture tells us.

00:10:37.000 And so there is a hierarchy to all things.

00:10:40.000 There is a hierarchy to Christ in the church that wives are to submit to our husbands as we submit to the Lord.

00:10:46.000 Husbands, love your wives as Christ loves the church.

00:10:48.000 That's what Ephesians 5 tells us.

00:10:50.000 So even in marriage, it's not the exact same.

00:10:52.000 There's a hierarchy and an order of things for our good.

00:10:56.000 And so that's what I remember as someone who loves to communicate, who would love to, you know, stand up and speak to people and teach and things like that.

00:11:04.000 Even though I am capable of something, I know that I'm not called to it.

00:11:07.000 Even if I don't always fully understand the hierarchies and orders that God puts in place, while women can teach in a lot of capacities, serve in a lot of capacities, they're not to be exercising authority over men and church.

00:11:21.000 Why is that so hard?

00:11:23.000 Because most, most, I would say, 50% of churches agree with that.

00:11:27.000 Yeah, I think it's difficult because of what I just said, that if women are capable of doing something, why aren't they also called to it?

00:11:34.000 And if you feel like doing something, if you want to do something, if you're good at something, then that must be synonymous with God's calling you to do something.

00:11:44.000 And that's not necessarily true.

00:11:46.000 We all have to submit our desires to the Lord, men and women.

00:11:51.000 Yeah, I mean, the current Orthodox, Orthodoxy is not the right word, the current zeitgeist of the church, the spirit of the times, is trying to look more like the world and trying to fit into that.

00:12:07.000 And so if you were to try to give an approximation, what percentage of churches do you think are scripturally and theologically sound?

00:12:18.000 You know, I read this really startling statistic just the other day.

00:12:22.000 I was talking to Dr. George Barna.

00:12:24.000 You know, he is the study that was put together that he was commenting on, only 42% of lead pastors have what they defined as a biblical worldview, which they go through seven cornerstones, very basic Christian tenets of a biblical worldview.

00:12:39.000 It was something like 32% or less of children's pastors have a biblical worldview.

00:12:45.000 We're talking very basic questions, like, what do you think about the authority of God?

00:12:48.000 What do you think about the authority of scripture?

00:12:50.000 What do you think about sin?

00:12:51.000 Like, Christians get these answers wrong. 1.00

00:12:54.000 Pastors get these answers wrong.

00:12:56.000 So it is a small percentage of churches, unfortunately, in the United States that are really preaching the word.

00:13:03.000 Is when you have a lack of a dedication to the word, is that when all of a sudden this bad woke progressive stuff starts to enter?

00:13:13.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:13:14.000 And obviously, it's not just the woke progressive stuff.

00:13:16.000 It's all different kinds of false doctrine that can creep in when you go outside of the word of God.

00:13:21.000 And God is so gracious and merciful that he has given us this guidebook that like you don't have to look outside of it for wisdom or material or insight.

00:13:30.000 You've got it all right there every Sunday.

00:13:32.000 That's your job.

00:13:34.000 So the kind of one of the major issues that we encounter is some of these churches asking us how they should talk about these issues to their young people.

00:13:48.000 They say, well, I don't want to lose young people who might be open to the trans thing or open to same-sex attraction.

00:13:56.000 What is your response to kind of pastors saying that it might threaten the business model?

00:14:02.000 That humans today are the same as humans have always been.

00:14:06.000 And God has written eternity on all of our hearts.

00:14:09.000 And all of us need the gospel equally.

00:14:11.000 All of us need the truth just as much as sinners did 2,000 years ago.

00:14:16.000 I'm sure there were a lot of people in pagan Greece and Rome who still thought prostitution was great, wanted to keep going with it and had to stop because they converted to Christianity.

00:14:25.000 The same is true today.

00:14:26.000 Like we are not going to evangelize well by trying to outlove God.

00:14:31.000 That's what I think a lot of these pastors do.

00:14:34.000 If I'm soft on these issues that the Bible is very clear on, maybe I can be more loving than God.

00:14:39.000 Maybe I'm more compassionate than God.

00:14:41.000 Maybe I'm more just than God.

00:14:43.000 And if that's the case, if that's what you think by presenting a false gospel to people that you will somehow mysteriously lead them to truth, then you actually worship yourself, not God.

00:14:53.000 And you think some of these pastors would fall into that category?

00:14:56.000 Like Levi Musco and like these types of people.

00:14:59.000 Without realizing it, yes, if you disagree with the God of the Bible on what gender is, which he outlined, it's so important.

00:15:06.000 He puts it in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible.

00:15:09.000 If you disagree with God on that, you're saying that you know better than the creator of the universe does, which is self-worship.

00:15:17.000 Yeah, and we have, you know, this kind of phenomenon of the modern pastor who feels very uncomfortable talking about these issues.

00:15:28.000 Then they'll kind of do this like quasi-motivational speech when they're approaching this.

00:15:34.000 And so you have a lot of young ladies in your audience that follow what you do and really are, you know, admiring of the truth that you're communicating.

00:15:45.000 What are you hearing from young women in particular on these issues?

00:15:49.000 What are they experiencing?

00:15:50.000 And what are, you know, what, what are the top two or three things that you're hearing from your audience that they're dealing with?

00:15:57.000 I would say for young Christian women, the big sticking point are race and race and gender sticking points.

00:16:03.000 That when a story starts circulating that makes it seem like, oh my gosh, yes, white supremacy in this country is alive and well.

00:16:09.000 I got to post a black square.

00:16:10.000 I got to post about this story.

00:16:12.000 I got to show that I really care about these marginalized people.

00:16:15.000 That's really difficult.

00:16:16.000 I think the reason why it's difficult is because the Bible is really clear about gender and sexuality.

00:16:21.000 Some people think that it is less clear about what justice looks like or the issue of race, which I don't believe that, but some people do believe that and they get caught in that empathy chap.

00:16:32.000 They want to be compassionate.

00:16:34.000 And so I think that's a really, really difficult issue.

00:16:37.000 And then gender, it's just like they don't know how to navigate the pronoun thing.

00:16:41.000 They don't like, okay, am I going to get in trouble at work?

00:16:44.000 Am I going to get trouble at school?

00:16:46.000 What about my friend who just came out?

00:16:48.000 Do I go to the gay wedding?

00:16:50.000 Those are the things they're dealing with.

00:16:51.000 Like, how do I love and live in truth at the same time?

00:16:54.000 So do you go to the gay wedding? 0.55

00:16:57.000 No, you don't because you don't celebrate that, which God calls an abomination.

00:17:00.000 And by the way, it's not a wedding because God defines marriage one way, which is between a man and a woman.

00:17:06.000 You might be celebrating two people getting together and celebrating sexual sin, but is that something that you want to be a part of?

00:17:12.000 I don't think so.

00:17:13.000 Would anybody, is that a disagreeable thing?

00:17:15.000 Do some Christians disagree with that?

00:17:17.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:17:19.000 What's the counter?

00:17:20.000 I think, well, you've got some people like Jen Hatmaker, who would still call herself a Christian, who is totally LGBTQ affirming and says, you know, LGBTQ relationships are holy, whatever.

00:17:30.000 And then you've got, oh, yeah.

00:17:32.000 And then you've got some people who would say, well, I don't agree with it, but it's the loving thing to do, how to show them love.

00:17:42.000 It's not.

00:17:43.000 It's not.

00:17:43.000 It's something Carlinz would say.

00:17:45.000 Something.

00:17:46.000 Yeah.

00:17:46.000 A lot of people would probably say that.

00:17:48.000 So, but having someone feel good is not the same thing as loving them.

00:17:53.000 No, that's totally true.

00:17:55.000 So you say race and gender.

00:17:58.000 That's interesting.

00:17:59.000 I think so.

00:17:59.000 The race thing doesn't seem as much in play right now.

00:18:02.000 Maybe I'm just totally out of touch.

00:18:04.000 Not right now.

00:18:04.000 Well, I do think 2020 kind of hurt their cause.

00:18:08.000 The cause of black lives. 1.00

00:18:10.000 The race arsonist. 1.00

00:18:11.000 Yeah.

00:18:12.000 We went pretty hard on that.

00:18:13.000 You were great on it.

00:18:14.000 Yeah.

00:18:15.000 There weren't very many of us Christians who were like, don't post a black square immediately. 0.93

00:18:20.000 You were really good.

00:18:21.000 And not, I mean, this whole, what's that other fraud's name that goes around?

00:18:27.000 They've made a lot of money and they talk a lot about, you know, oh, yeah, Jesus and all this.

00:18:33.000 And then their first ones in line at the BLM parade.

00:18:35.000 No, but anyway, I don't know what I was talking about.

00:18:36.000 But okay.

00:18:37.000 Yeah.

00:18:38.000 A lot of these pastors just affirm this stuff.

00:18:40.000 Look, I come from the political world.

00:18:42.000 So this is kind of what we do is we call out like Mitt Romney types, right?

00:18:47.000 And in the Christian world, everyone kind of like is very gentle and all this. 0.98

00:18:50.000 I'm like, you're a fraud. 0.98

00:18:51.000 Like resign. 0.99

00:18:52.000 Yeah.

00:18:52.000 Like you're, you're not doing anything worthwhile anymore.

00:18:55.000 You're finishing poorly, right?

00:18:58.000 So I don't know why this is so controversial.

00:19:01.000 Yeah.

00:19:02.000 I mean, I think it's, you know, for the same reason that anyone virtue signals or for the same reason that anyone tries to score points with the world because it feels good.

00:19:11.000 I mean, everyone's tried to be lukewarm in, you know, one foot in the world, one foot out for the past 2,000 years.

00:19:18.000 Well, let's just, so I mean, and you touched on something really important.

00:19:22.000 If you don't want to talk about politics, okay, do you talk about sin from the pulpit?

00:19:29.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 Should you be doing that?

00:19:30.000 Of course you should be.

00:19:31.000 I mean, you should.

00:19:31.000 Oh, I'm not asking.

00:19:33.000 You.

00:19:33.000 No, no, no.

00:19:33.000 I'm saying that like these people that don't talk about like, I don't talk about politics.

00:19:36.000 Have you ever talked about actual sin?

00:19:38.000 Right.

00:19:38.000 Like, let's just start there.

00:19:39.000 Yeah.

00:19:40.000 And you don't even have to talk about politics per se to touch on issues that are today considered political.

00:19:46.000 I mean, yeah, 50 years ago, preaching Genesis 1 wasn't considered political, but today it is because in Genesis 127, you have the answer to all the culture words.

00:19:55.000 What is man?

00:19:55.000 Yeah, what is man?

00:19:57.000 What is woman?

00:19:57.000 What is marriage?

00:19:58.000 And what is a human?

00:20:00.000 What image are we made enough?

00:20:01.000 Yeah, we're made in God's image.

00:20:02.000 So you've got abortion, marriage, sexuality all right there in the first chapter of the Bible. 0.64

00:20:06.000 That today is considered political.

00:20:08.000 If you're avoiding that because you think it's political, it's not because you don't want to be political.

00:20:12.000 It's because you don't want to be biblical.

00:20:14.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:20:15.000 And so the issue that I see.

00:20:20.000 So then if I had Andy Stanley or Lusko or the adulterer Carl Lentz or any of these people right here, right?

00:20:26.000 They'd be like, oh, no, no, bro.

00:20:28.000 Like the way we went over the wokeys is we try to have middle ground. 1.00

00:20:33.000 So I had to force feed myself that Hillsong document.

00:20:36.000 Do you see this thing?

00:20:37.000 I haven't watched it yet.

00:20:38.000 I watched the first one from a couple of years ago.

00:20:39.000 Anybody else seen it?

00:20:40.000 This Hillsong thing?

00:20:42.000 On Hulu?

00:20:44.000 It's actually, it's very well produced.

00:20:47.000 And it's by a bunch of secular degenerates, which really makes because they're trying to paint all of Christianity like this. 0.68

00:20:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:54.000 And by the way, I think it's unfair, their portrayal towards Houston and all that.

00:20:58.000 But the real, they try to make Carl Lentz the savior of the thing, which is what's so sick.

00:21:03.000 Oh, no, Carl Lentz is in this thing.

00:21:04.000 And he kind of, it's like a redemption article.

00:21:06.000 Yeah, the advertisement is very sacrilegious.

00:21:09.000 He's like in this Jesus type. 0.85

00:21:11.000 Oh, no, no, that's right.

00:21:12.000 No, but it's kind of like Carl Lentz falls and then he narrates how bad Hillsong is.

00:21:17.000 And he has like this redemption arc in the last episode.

00:21:20.000 But what's the most important part of the whole thing is that Carl Lentz was, we all can agree, over-the-top wokey, way too affirming of this stuff, right?

00:21:30.000 And Hulu spent 30 minutes of this four-part series with people that used to go to his church being like, and he didn't go far enough.

00:21:39.000 Yeah.

00:21:40.000 He didn't affirm.

00:21:41.000 The Serbian stuff with the outside. 0.93

00:21:43.000 The gay stuff, the trans stuff, and be like, we feel let down that Carl was actually deep down this conservative, like right-wing zealot.

00:21:53.000 No, no, no. 0.53

00:21:53.000 Carl Lentz is not a conservative, right-wing zealot. 0.53

00:21:55.000 Let me tell you, he's an affirming world guy with who also shouldn't be in the ministry.

00:21:59.000 And so, but there is no appeasing this.

00:22:02.000 Yeah.

00:22:03.000 There is no suing for peace.

00:22:05.000 Well, there never is any appeasement.

00:22:07.000 Like you saw, this is not in the ministry, but that Blue Jays player who went through the struggle session, apologized for sharing a post about the Bible, basically calling for a target boycott.

00:22:17.000 And then he ended up having to apologize.

00:22:19.000 And then he was taken off the roster, at least temporarily.

00:22:22.000 So even after he apologized and recanted, you still get punished.

00:22:26.000 It's never enough.

00:22:27.000 You might as well just stick with God's word.

00:22:28.000 You're going to be canceled eventually.

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:30.000 Or you just hang out with people like us and we build our own stuff and then we kind of give, you know, a metaphorical biblical middle finger to the world.

00:22:38.000 Biblical, yeah. 0.82

00:22:39.000 No, a biblical middle finger, right?

00:22:42.000 So this is another interesting topic that I, so race and gender.

00:22:47.000 So what percentage of young Christians do you think once they leave or like, so they might give their life to the Lord and they go to college and then they become less Christian.

00:23:00.000 That's, that's a fact, right?

00:23:03.000 Why is that?

00:23:03.000 Is it that they weren't poured into correctly early enough, that the world is so tempting, that just like the carnal delights and temptations?

00:23:10.000 What's going on here?

00:23:11.000 Yeah, I think it's a combination of all of those things, not well-versed in apologetics, not discipled well.

00:23:17.000 They get to college.

00:23:18.000 They want to find the first friends they can find.

00:23:20.000 Whether or not those friends have the same value system, I always tell people if you're going to go to college, if you're going to go to college.

00:23:26.000 Sick of my language.

00:23:27.000 Yeah.

00:23:27.000 The first thing you need to do is find like-minded people and stick with them.

00:23:31.000 You need to find a Bible study.

00:23:32.000 You need to find a local church.

00:23:34.000 Those need to be your friends.

00:23:35.000 That needs to be your community.

00:23:37.000 Because if you don't do that, not very many people do well with isolation.

00:23:42.000 That's why, you know, Satan called Jesus out into the wilderness.

00:23:45.000 He was, you know, craving food and water and lonely.

00:23:49.000 We're much more vulnerable that way.

00:23:51.000 But look, most kids went to public school.

00:23:54.000 I had the privilege of being able to be discipled kindergarten through 12th grade in apologetics and theology.

00:24:01.000 That does not mean that you're going to be saved.

00:24:02.000 That doesn't mean that you're going to be solid forever.

00:24:04.000 But I'm very thankful for the foundation that I had.

00:24:07.000 Most kids don't have a foundation when they go to college.

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 And so then they enter into college.

00:24:14.000 And there's all these.

00:24:15.000 So I was doing some errands a couple months ago and I was listening to Air One, a K-Love thing. 1.00

00:24:22.000 And they largely do a lot of good work, but they had this guest on who runs this massive campus ministry.

00:24:29.000 It's not Campus Crusade, but it's one of the other ones.

00:24:31.000 A huge organization.

00:24:32.000 And he says, Allie, that this generation is more interested in justice.

00:24:36.000 And the way we win them over to the gospel is we have to speak their language on trans and race stuff.

00:24:43.000 And then they're going to accept Jesus.

00:24:45.000 Yeah.

00:24:46.000 That's like a little bait and switch, cute little strategy there.

00:24:49.000 So we're going to lie to them in the hope that they'll fall in love with the truth because that typically works.

00:24:55.000 And that's, that's, that's, that's the, that's the issue really that seems to be in front of the church right now.

00:24:55.000 Yeah.

00:25:01.000 So you're about to speak to 2,500 young women.

00:25:04.000 What's your message going on?

00:25:05.000 Yes, favorite event of the year.

00:25:06.000 Thank you.

00:25:07.000 Yeah, my, it's going to be what our identity is as women.

00:25:12.000 On the one hand, you've got kind of like what I think is a little bit of a grifty, like trad movement that isn't necessarily biblical.

00:25:21.000 It's just like, okay, what I mean by that is that a lot of people, I'm not talking about actual traditional wives.

00:25:27.000 I'm a traditional wife, but I'm not talking about traditional families and traditional wife and moms, which I think is great.

00:25:32.000 But there is like this trad grift that goes on where basically a lot of people are like cosplaying as like 19th century like trad families that I think is really weird that puts this strange emphasis on like the only value that a woman brings to the table is being a wife and mom, which by the way, our sacred callings and are very high callings.

00:25:54.000 But it's not feminism either that gives us our value.

00:25:58.000 It's not being a CEO or a speaker or whatever.

00:26:01.000 It's also not being a wife and mom that gives us our highest value.

00:26:04.000 All of our highest calling is to glorify God.

00:26:07.000 Not everyone is going to get married.

00:26:09.000 Unfortunately, not everyone is going to have children.

00:26:11.000 So like, who are you right now?

00:26:14.000 What defines you?

00:26:14.000 What gives you your worth?

00:26:16.000 And what is your calling right now? 1.00

00:26:17.000 Don't wait to be a trad wife or mom. 0.97

00:26:19.000 Don't wait to be the CEO or the activist that you think that you need to be.

00:26:24.000 How do you glorify God right now?

00:26:26.000 Yeah.

00:26:26.000 And there is, I mean, it's like it's LARPing, live-action role-playing for like I'm on the organ trail or something.

00:26:33.000 Yeah, yeah, it really is.

00:26:36.000 It's really I see a little bit of that.

00:26:37.000 I mean, I actually would rather have that than LARPing as some sort of weird, bisexual, drug, psychedelic, tattooed San Francisco hippie. 0.59

00:26:47.000 It's like, I'm taking my kids to Woodstock.

00:26:49.000 But like, really do it.

00:26:49.000 Like, yeah, I'd rather.

00:26:51.000 Really do it.

00:26:52.000 Really invest in the middle of the day.

00:26:54.000 Don't just play the game, right?

00:26:57.000 You know, actually understand that.

00:26:57.000 Yeah.

00:26:59.000 So, I mean, do you think so? 0.99

00:27:02.000 So a lot of these young ladies, you know, if you ask them like, how many are married? 0.99

00:27:06.000 How many want to get married? 0.99

00:27:07.000 How many they're unhappy with the pool of men out there?

00:27:11.000 That's that's an issue I could speak, you know, rather forcefully, and I do openly about.

00:27:15.000 I have some opinions that I don't always voice, but I'm wondering if you could say it and read my mind.

00:27:15.000 Yeah.

00:27:20.000 What can women do to demand better out of men? 1.00

00:27:23.000 To demand better out of men.

00:27:25.000 Well, obviously, really the only thing that you can do is be the kind of woman that you, that the kind of man that you are looking for is looking for.

00:27:34.000 I know that's a lot of words, but that's the only thing that you can control.

00:27:37.000 You can't control the pool of men.

00:27:39.000 You can go to the places where godly men are.

00:27:41.000 They're probably not at the bars.

00:27:43.000 Like they're probably not at the clubs.

00:27:45.000 Maybe they're at the gym.

00:27:46.000 Actually, that's where I met my husband, but they're probably at church.

00:27:49.000 They're probably at these different organizations and community events that you should also be a part of.

00:27:54.000 They're definitely not sitting on your couch.

00:27:57.000 They might not.

00:27:58.000 I mean, I know some people who have gotten married from dating apps, so I'm not knocking that, but it's more difficult.

00:28:03.000 One of our staffers is anti-dating apps.

00:28:06.000 Yeah, it makes it more difficult.

00:28:07.000 So let me tap down.

00:28:09.000 How much time do we have?

00:28:10.000 Six minutes.

00:28:11.000 Six minutes?

00:28:11.000 Is that okay?

00:28:12.000 Yeah, sure.

00:28:13.000 So let me, how do I ask this question nicely?

00:28:13.000 Okay.

00:28:19.000 Or not nicely.

00:28:20.000 Let me just ask it. 1.00

00:28:22.000 Are women playing into men's carnal desires too much for how they act, how they act and how they dress? 0.99

00:28:32.000 I mean, of course. 0.99

00:28:33.000 Of course, there are women who think that their value comes from their body or comes from what they can offer physically.

00:28:41.000 And so you do, whether you like it or not as a woman, you could say, oh, it doesn't matter.

00:28:46.000 It shouldn't matter how I dress.

00:28:48.000 It shouldn't matter how I present it.

00:28:49.000 Oh, it 100% matters.

00:28:50.000 But it does.

00:28:51.000 Just like it matters.

00:28:52.000 It also matters to girls how a guy presents themselves.

00:28:54.000 Maybe not in the same way, but it absolutely does.

00:28:57.000 That matters.

00:28:58.000 Also, at the same time, men are responsible for their eyes. 0.89

00:29:01.000 They're responsible for their lust. 0.90

00:29:02.000 They're responsible for their addiction to pornography. 0.99

00:29:04.000 They're responsible for being masculine or feminine. 1.00

00:29:08.000 You can't blame feminism for all of those things. 1.00

00:29:11.000 We're autonomous individuals. 1.00

00:29:12.000 You have to take responsibility. 1.00

00:29:14.000 But the same goes for women.

00:29:16.000 Present yourself in a respectable way. 0.99

00:29:19.000 Yeah, I just, I find, I mean, some women are like, I can't find a husband.

00:29:24.000 Like, well, why are you posting like very revealed pictures? 0.85

00:29:27.000 Yeah.

00:29:28.000 Like that, because men only view you then through the visual and they're not viewing you as something deeper, worthy of desire.

00:29:34.000 Men are denying that.

00:29:36.000 You've removed all mystery from the relationship immediately. 0.96

00:29:39.000 Yeah, they don't want to get to know you for your personality.

00:29:41.000 And again, most men don't.

00:29:43.000 You could say that that's unfair, but it is what it is.

00:29:46.000 Well, men are visually driven 100%.

00:29:50.000 That's not admirable.

00:29:52.000 It's real. 1.00

00:29:54.000 And therefore, women have way more leverage in this than I think they realize. 1.00

00:29:59.000 Just say, no, I'm going to save myself for marriage. 1.00

00:30:02.000 You still want to be with me?

00:30:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:04.000 But most women don't feel empowered to say that. 1.00

00:30:06.000 They feel as if they have to go in.

00:30:08.000 Maybe I'm wrong, but there's a huge amount of regret with young Christians.

00:30:12.000 Well, they're scared of that answer, what you just asked.

00:30:15.000 I think so many women want to be loved and desired. 0.87

00:30:17.000 They're scared that the guy is going to say no. 0.92

00:30:19.000 Yeah, but they don't understand men will go along with that because men want what they can't have.

00:30:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:30:24.000 Because right now, what they can have is cheap sex and free sex. 0.99

00:30:29.000 And for the one godly woman that says, nope, got to wait till marriage, all of a sudden that becomes incredibly, infinitely attractive. 0.99

00:30:35.000 Attractive.

00:30:35.000 Yeah.

00:30:36.000 Because it's the one thing that they can't.

00:30:37.000 Ideally, find a guy that already wants that and is not going to ask.

00:30:42.000 Yeah, but that's not real.

00:30:43.000 I mean, most men are not that way.

00:30:45.000 Most men aren't, but it only takes one.

00:30:48.000 Obviously, I married one.

00:30:50.000 You are respectful in that way.

00:30:52.000 100%.

00:30:52.000 No, I'm just saying, just realistically.

00:30:54.000 Yeah.

00:30:55.000 Either way, the pool of Christian men is not exactly elevated.

00:31:00.000 We have our men's summit and we're very intense with them, right?

00:31:03.000 Which is good.

00:31:06.000 You know, let's just say it's different than our women's summit.

00:31:09.000 It's out in the woods and all that.

00:31:10.000 All right.

00:31:11.000 So plug your stuff, Allie.

00:31:12.000 How can people call you?

00:31:13.000 Relatable is my podcast.

00:31:16.000 It's Monday through Thursday.

00:31:17.000 You can find it wherever you listen to your podcast.

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00:31:21.000 I'm on Instagram, Twitter, all that good stuff.

00:31:23.000 I got a new book coming out next year.

00:31:26.000 It's about empathy, the dangers of empathy, which we talked about today.

00:31:29.000 I have a whole crazy take on empathy, which is it's not in the Bible.

00:31:34.000 So, I think it's a 1920s new age term.

00:31:36.000 Yeah, well, you'll have to read my book and see, Charlie.

00:31:39.000 All right.

00:31:40.000 We can have you on and talk empathy.

00:31:41.000 I think it's arguing over linguistics in some ways, but I think it's important.

00:31:45.000 So, thank you for being here, Allie.

00:31:47.000 Everyone, check out her podcast, and we appreciate it.

00:31:49.000 Thanks so much.

00:31:49.000 Thank you.

00:31:50.000 Thank you.

00:31:53.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:31:55.000 Email us your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:58.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 11, 2023

The Empathy Issue with Allie B. Stuckey

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