00:00:00.000Hey, everybody, live from our Turning Point USA Young Women's Leadership Summit, tpusa.com.
00:00:06.000Allie B. Stuckey and I, she's one of the most powerful voices in the country, talk about Christianity, feminized Christianity, and why there are so many pastors that are just really not doing their job.
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00:01:22.000For people listening that don't get the reference, we are currently at a hotel in Dallas, Texas, where they have this massive gay flag on equal footing with the Texas flag.
00:01:41.000Yeah, my truth on that is that I'm unfortunately not surprised.
00:01:46.000Texas, even though it's a great, wonderful state with a lot of freedom-loving people, it goes the way of a lot of states, unfortunately, where we elevate, you know, self-identity to patriotism and being proud of your state.
00:03:54.000You know, if you read some old Puritan writings, really, if you read the Bible, the scripture says at the end days, people will be lovers of self.
00:04:02.000That's actually that's in, well, it's actually, it's not in Romans 1, but it is basically the same thing as Romans 1.
00:04:08.000Um, that you're following yourself, you're following yourself as your own God, you're following your own feelings.
00:04:13.000It's an indication of evil, it's an indication of wickedness.
00:04:16.000That doesn't mean that we're supposed to loathe ourselves.
00:04:19.000Um, that's actually just another form of self-obsession.
00:04:23.000But we're actually called as Christians to self-forgetfulness, to self-denial, that things aren't about us for better or for worse.
00:04:30.000Things about things are about something much bigger and someone much bigger and better than us.
00:04:34.000And there's like a lot of freedom in that.
00:04:36.000But when you are your own God, like you are tied to all of your own feelings and all of your own cravings and all of your own desires, it becomes a very brutal slave master.
00:04:48.000And that's an unquestioned principle of modernity.
00:04:59.000It's exchanging the God of scripture for the God of self, but it's also exchanging sacrifice for convenience, discomfort, for comfort, everything that allows you instant gratification, that makes you happy in the moment, whether or not it even makes you happier a whole long term.
00:05:14.000That is the thing that you are not only supposed to pursue, but that you have to pursue in order to achieve some kind of status of fulfillment.
00:05:26.000And I think that we see where that leads.
00:05:28.000I mean, rates of depression and anxiety and loneliness and isolation are higher than they've ever been.
00:05:33.000And the defenders of modernity in Christianity as well, there's plenty of Christian, you know, Christians, I put in air quotes.
00:05:42.000They say it's because we haven't done a good enough job of tearing down the racism and the sexism and the patriarchy.
00:05:51.000I don't think that you could say that any person could argue that even if you think that America is still racist today, which it's not, or still sexist today, whatever, you definitely couldn't say that it's more racist or sexist than it was 60 years ago.
00:06:43.000I think a lot of Christians, especially Christian women, they get stuck in what I call the empathy trap, which they're basically told in order to be truly empathetic or to be truly compassionate or loving, you have to be progressive.
00:09:08.000I think that's, you know, complementary of each other, the feminine and the masculine, when it comes to men being able to see, well, I'm just seeing the logic behind it.
00:09:15.000Not that women can't be logical too, and women being more feelings-driven and relational.
00:09:21.000And so I do think while both men and women can embody these characteristics, it's typically more feminine to put that first.
00:09:28.000So let me ask a deeper, more provocative question.
00:09:31.000Has modern Christianity become overly feminized?
00:09:34.000I think a lot of people would say that it is because a lot of sermons are about how you feel.
00:09:39.000A lot of sermons are about making you feel good, making sure that you're not insecure, making sure that you feel accepted.
00:09:46.000And that's basically what women have been.
00:09:49.000We've had that preach to us for years and years.
00:09:51.000Just love yourself and all of your problems will be solved.
00:10:50.000So even in marriage, it's not the exact same.
00:10:52.000There's a hierarchy and an order of things for our good.
00:10:56.000And so that's what I remember as someone who loves to communicate, who would love to, you know, stand up and speak to people and teach and things like that.
00:11:04.000Even though I am capable of something, I know that I'm not called to it.
00:11:07.000Even if I don't always fully understand the hierarchies and orders that God puts in place, while women can teach in a lot of capacities, serve in a lot of capacities, they're not to be exercising authority over men and church.
00:11:23.000Because most, most, I would say, 50% of churches agree with that.
00:11:27.000Yeah, I think it's difficult because of what I just said, that if women are capable of doing something, why aren't they also called to it?
00:11:34.000And if you feel like doing something, if you want to do something, if you're good at something, then that must be synonymous with God's calling you to do something.
00:11:46.000We all have to submit our desires to the Lord, men and women.
00:11:51.000Yeah, I mean, the current Orthodox, Orthodoxy is not the right word, the current zeitgeist of the church, the spirit of the times, is trying to look more like the world and trying to fit into that.
00:12:07.000And so if you were to try to give an approximation, what percentage of churches do you think are scripturally and theologically sound?
00:12:18.000You know, I read this really startling statistic just the other day.
00:12:24.000You know, he is the study that was put together that he was commenting on, only 42% of lead pastors have what they defined as a biblical worldview, which they go through seven cornerstones, very basic Christian tenets of a biblical worldview.
00:12:39.000It was something like 32% or less of children's pastors have a biblical worldview.
00:12:45.000We're talking very basic questions, like, what do you think about the authority of God?
00:12:48.000What do you think about the authority of scripture?
00:13:14.000And obviously, it's not just the woke progressive stuff.
00:13:16.000It's all different kinds of false doctrine that can creep in when you go outside of the word of God.
00:13:21.000And God is so gracious and merciful that he has given us this guidebook that like you don't have to look outside of it for wisdom or material or insight.
00:13:30.000You've got it all right there every Sunday.
00:13:34.000So the kind of one of the major issues that we encounter is some of these churches asking us how they should talk about these issues to their young people.
00:13:48.000They say, well, I don't want to lose young people who might be open to the trans thing or open to same-sex attraction.
00:13:56.000What is your response to kind of pastors saying that it might threaten the business model?
00:14:02.000That humans today are the same as humans have always been.
00:14:06.000And God has written eternity on all of our hearts.
00:14:09.000And all of us need the gospel equally.
00:14:11.000All of us need the truth just as much as sinners did 2,000 years ago.
00:14:16.000I'm sure there were a lot of people in pagan Greece and Rome who still thought prostitution was great, wanted to keep going with it and had to stop because they converted to Christianity.
00:14:43.000And if that's the case, if that's what you think by presenting a false gospel to people that you will somehow mysteriously lead them to truth, then you actually worship yourself, not God.
00:14:53.000And you think some of these pastors would fall into that category?
00:14:56.000Like Levi Musco and like these types of people.
00:14:59.000Without realizing it, yes, if you disagree with the God of the Bible on what gender is, which he outlined, it's so important.
00:15:06.000He puts it in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible.
00:15:09.000If you disagree with God on that, you're saying that you know better than the creator of the universe does, which is self-worship.
00:15:17.000Yeah, and we have, you know, this kind of phenomenon of the modern pastor who feels very uncomfortable talking about these issues.
00:15:28.000Then they'll kind of do this like quasi-motivational speech when they're approaching this.
00:15:34.000And so you have a lot of young ladies in your audience that follow what you do and really are, you know, admiring of the truth that you're communicating.
00:15:45.000What are you hearing from young women in particular on these issues?
00:16:16.000I think the reason why it's difficult is because the Bible is really clear about gender and sexuality.
00:16:21.000Some people think that it is less clear about what justice looks like or the issue of race, which I don't believe that, but some people do believe that and they get caught in that empathy chap.
00:17:20.000I think, well, you've got some people like Jen Hatmaker, who would still call herself a Christian, who is totally LGBTQ affirming and says, you know, LGBTQ relationships are holy, whatever.
00:19:02.000I mean, I think it's, you know, for the same reason that anyone virtue signals or for the same reason that anyone tries to score points with the world because it feels good.
00:19:11.000I mean, everyone's tried to be lukewarm in, you know, one foot in the world, one foot out for the past 2,000 years.
00:19:18.000Well, let's just, so I mean, and you touched on something really important.
00:19:22.000If you don't want to talk about politics, okay, do you talk about sin from the pulpit?
00:19:40.000And you don't even have to talk about politics per se to touch on issues that are today considered political.
00:19:46.000I mean, yeah, 50 years ago, preaching Genesis 1 wasn't considered political, but today it is because in Genesis 127, you have the answer to all the culture words.
00:21:12.000No, but it's kind of like Carl Lentz falls and then he narrates how bad Hillsong is.
00:21:17.000And he has like this redemption arc in the last episode.
00:21:20.000But what's the most important part of the whole thing is that Carl Lentz was, we all can agree, over-the-top wokey, way too affirming of this stuff, right?
00:21:30.000And Hulu spent 30 minutes of this four-part series with people that used to go to his church being like, and he didn't go far enough.
00:22:07.000Like you saw, this is not in the ministry, but that Blue Jays player who went through the struggle session, apologized for sharing a post about the Bible, basically calling for a target boycott.
00:22:17.000And then he ended up having to apologize.
00:22:19.000And then he was taken off the roster, at least temporarily.
00:22:22.000So even after he apologized and recanted, you still get punished.
00:22:30.000Or you just hang out with people like us and we build our own stuff and then we kind of give, you know, a metaphorical biblical middle finger to the world.
00:22:42.000So this is another interesting topic that I, so race and gender.
00:22:47.000So what percentage of young Christians do you think once they leave or like, so they might give their life to the Lord and they go to college and then they become less Christian.
00:23:03.000Is it that they weren't poured into correctly early enough, that the world is so tempting, that just like the carnal delights and temptations?
00:23:18.000They want to find the first friends they can find.
00:23:20.000Whether or not those friends have the same value system, I always tell people if you're going to go to college, if you're going to go to college.
00:25:07.000Yeah, my, it's going to be what our identity is as women.
00:25:12.000On the one hand, you've got kind of like what I think is a little bit of a grifty, like trad movement that isn't necessarily biblical.
00:25:21.000It's just like, okay, what I mean by that is that a lot of people, I'm not talking about actual traditional wives.
00:25:27.000I'm a traditional wife, but I'm not talking about traditional families and traditional wife and moms, which I think is great.
00:25:32.000But there is like this trad grift that goes on where basically a lot of people are like cosplaying as like 19th century like trad families that I think is really weird that puts this strange emphasis on like the only value that a woman brings to the table is being a wife and mom, which by the way, our sacred callings and are very high callings.
00:25:54.000But it's not feminism either that gives us our value.
00:25:58.000It's not being a CEO or a speaker or whatever.
00:26:01.000It's also not being a wife and mom that gives us our highest value.
00:26:04.000All of our highest calling is to glorify God.
00:27:25.000Well, obviously, really the only thing that you can do is be the kind of woman that you, that the kind of man that you are looking for is looking for.
00:27:34.000I know that's a lot of words, but that's the only thing that you can control.