The Charlie Kirk Show - The Epstein Files: What Went Wrong?

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00:01:17.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:20.000 It's June 11th.

00:01:21.000 Man, how time is flying.

00:01:23.000 I am here in Phoenix, Arizona at the YRefi Studios.

00:01:26.000 Blake has the day off, he's traveling in undisclosed locations.

00:01:32.000 I'm sure he would disclose it, but I'm not going to do that for him.

00:01:35.000 Honored to be with you guys.

00:01:37.000 All across the country.

00:01:38.000 So much to get into.

00:01:39.000 We've got a packed show.

00:01:41.000 Sarah Fields is going to be joining us at the half hour.

00:01:44.000 She has been absolutely out front on the Carmelo Anthony verdict, on the trial.

00:01:50.000 She was in the courtroom for much of the trial itself, and she has insider information.

00:01:56.000 And it occurred to me that the country is reacting to two different sets of facts.

00:02:01.000 And she's going to break it all down because if you listen to the Carmelo Anthony supporters, all you would think is that this is an innocent young man who did nothing wrong, self defense.

00:02:10.000 The facts don't bear that out at all.

00:02:13.000 Let's just be clear. 0.59

00:02:14.000 So, she's going to help us break that down where some of that disinformation is coming.

00:02:17.000 Then we have Burt Jones, who's running to be the next governor of the great state of Georgia.

00:02:22.000 And then we're going to turn our sights and talk to one of the top members of the Reform Party, Nigel Farage in the UK, talking about what's happening with Henry Novak, what's happening in Belfast.

00:02:34.000 So, much to get into, but I want to start today on this bombshell new report from the New York Times.

00:02:42.000 It's It's probably the second such bombshell that has come from Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan of the New York Times.

00:02:50.000 They are publishing this as part of a sort of drip feed promotion of their new book.

00:02:56.000 I will tell you, I got a lot of qualms with the New York Times, as any conservative would, but Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan have done these pieces before, and there has been very little pushback, correction, anything.

00:03:10.000 They're pretty darn good reporters, okay?

00:03:12.000 I have to say.

00:03:13.000 You may not agree with them, you may not like them, they may be on the enemy's side.

00:03:17.000 Team, if you will, politically speaking, but they come up with the goods and they tend to be fairly accurate.

00:03:23.000 Okay.

00:03:23.000 So, what is reported in this thing?

00:03:25.000 I mean, I was wrapped the whole time I was reading this.

00:03:28.000 My mind was going back to the summer, the spring and summer of 2025.

00:03:34.000 That was a time that I walked through this whole saga with Charlie as we were looking at the way that the Epstein files, if you will, were being rolled out. 0.56

00:03:43.000 Now, if you listen to Blake, who's typically on this show with me, nothing really to see here.

00:03:50.000 He's a skeptic.

00:03:51.000 He's a skeptic that there is a there there in the first place.

00:03:55.000 What this piece details is the inner workings of the White House top brass to try and figure out how to deal with it.

00:04:04.000 And what you see is this fascinating mosaic unfold in the Situation Room.

00:04:11.000 We're back in the Situation Room.

00:04:13.000 Remember, this is their last piece when Bibi Netanyahu came over to pitch Trump on the Iran strikes inside the Situation Room.

00:04:21.000 Well, we're back there, and they were having meetings, including Susie Wiles, Taylor Butowich, one of her deputy chief of staffs.

00:04:28.000 James Blair, JD Vance, Todd Blanch, Pam Bondi, all of these players in the Trump White House.

00:04:36.000 And what you see is a spectrum of trying to understand what to do with the Epstein files.

00:04:43.000 And it ranges from Vice President JD Vance saying, let's get everything out there ASAP as quickly as we can, to here are some more moderate options.

00:04:53.000 And it becomes this escalating story about how to then release.

00:04:59.000 More stuff.

00:05:00.000 What do we do with Ghislaine Maxwell?

00:05:02.000 What do we do with all this stuff?

00:05:03.000 Now, I tend to be somewhat persuaded by some of Blake's skepticism.

00:05:08.000 Is there a there there?

00:05:10.000 I think there's a lot of there there.

00:05:12.000 We have Bill Gates today testifying before the House committee chaired by James Comer, oversight, trying to explain and help them with that investigation.

00:05:23.000 He says that he didn't do anything wrong.

00:05:25.000 His affairs are not to be looked at, nothing there.

00:05:29.000 But this is an ongoing saga because, and this is the big because.

00:05:34.000 There is energy within the Trump coalition to see maximum transparency with this.

00:05:41.000 JD Vance understood that very early on.

00:05:44.000 I'm pretty sure Charlie had something to do with that.

00:05:47.000 Charlie and I talked about this a lot that the base wanted the Trump 2.0 to be different in every single way when it came to government accountability and transparency.

00:05:57.000 And this article details that.

00:05:59.000 You know who else wanted maximum transparency?

00:06:01.000 It was Bongino.

00:06:04.000 Bongino's a character in this.

00:06:06.000 You might remember some of the drama that came out at different points of his tenure as deputy director of the FBI.

00:06:12.000 He wanted to have maximum transparency, but there were other people that didn't seem as convinced that everything should be released.

00:06:20.000 And that ultimately became a tactical misstep here when it came to this.

00:06:25.000 So let me just summarize this for you.

00:06:29.000 So, this is part again Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan detail intense internal panic at the Trump White House in the summer 2025.

00:06:38.000 And it's.

00:06:38.000 Part of their book that's going to come out, Regime Change Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump.

00:06:43.000 I don't love the title.

00:06:44.000 A DOJ FBI memo released around July 7th, 2025, stated there was no client list of powerful men linked to the Epstein procuring underage girls.

00:06:54.000 It aimed to quell speculation, but instead it sparked massive backlash.

00:06:59.000 And that is something that we have been living through.

00:07:01.000 And let me make this very clear for the audience.

00:07:04.000 When I talk to turning point students, when I go out and I talk to regular voters, we go to our local.

00:07:13.000 Chase the vote, super chase events with just everyday Americans, base voters.

00:07:17.000 Guess what they care about?

00:07:19.000 They want to see accountability with Epstein.

00:07:21.000 They want to see big, rich, powerful elites be held accountable.

00:07:27.000 Some have been held accountable in the court of public opinion.

00:07:30.000 Some have been driven out of jobs.

00:07:31.000 Some have had to resign, but they want to see actual lawsuits.

00:07:36.000 They want to see charges, indictments.

00:07:40.000 So the DOJ memo comes out trying to quell all of this.

00:07:45.000 Top advisors held multiple high stakes meetings, often in the situation room, to manage the political fallout, debate transparency gestures, like interviewing Ghislaine Maxwell, petitioning to get grand jury unsealed, grand jury investigations unsealed.

00:08:05.000 It ended up blowing up in everybody's faces.

00:08:08.000 This insight into who was doing what and when and how it was handled is a fascinating one.

00:08:15.000 It's a PR nightmare, obviously, for the Trump administration.

00:08:19.000 Now, do I believe that there is an actual client list?

00:08:24.000 I don't actually believe that.

00:08:25.000 But one thing that I can say is there was video in many of Epstein's locations, in his houses, in his different properties.

00:08:34.000 What happened to that?

00:08:36.000 But I do believe that President Trump, there's nothing that implicates him directly, maybe some embarrassing moments, but that's fine.

00:08:43.000 Nothing he hasn't dealt with before.

00:08:45.000 But I do not think that the president, if Joe Biden and The Biden administration would have had something on President Trump.

00:08:51.000 It would have been released during the Biden administration.

00:08:53.000 You could bet your bottom dollar.

00:08:54.000 Okay.

00:08:55.000 This became a political football that the Democrats jumped on after the MAGA coalition was upset about the way it was handled.

00:09:05.000 I recommend everybody give this a read.

00:09:07.000 It's a very fascinating article.

00:09:09.000 And I believe some people come out looking really good, some people come out looking like they don't understand the base.

00:09:15.000 And that is the key insight that this strained relationships within the admin, there was.

00:09:22.000 Trouble trying to navigate it with the public.

00:09:25.000 But the main thing that I want to say is that there is some there, but it's probably not everything that the base wants.

00:09:32.000 Transparency, honesty, it all would have been the best policy here.

00:09:36.000 Some were early, some found out the hard way.

00:09:39.000 I want to give you guys some breaking news.

00:09:41.000 There are hazmat crews at the Pentagon right now.

00:09:45.000 Multiple Pentagon floors locked down, evacuated due to hazardous material incident.

00:09:51.000 What you have right there is a statement from Sean Parnell.

00:09:55.000 Who says the Pentagon has sophisticated systems to ensure the safety of the building and its occupants?

00:10:00.000 Those systems have detected an air quality issue, necessitating precautionary measures until we determine its significance.

00:10:08.000 The department is executing standard protection protocol, including a shelter in place order for the affected area.

00:10:13.000 Response teams are in place and ready to support building occupants.

00:10:17.000 So, I'm not sure how big of a deal that is.

00:10:20.000 Obviously, we're prayerful that this is just precautionary, but we're going to be monitoring the situation, okay?

00:10:28.000 So, that is happening right now.

00:10:31.000 Device picked up biohazard scent.

00:10:35.000 Okay.

00:10:35.000 So, a device picked up some sort of biohazard scent.

00:10:39.000 So, we are monitoring that.

00:10:41.000 I'll give you more information as we have it.

00:10:43.000 I want to make a couple points here.

00:10:43.000 All right.

00:10:45.000 So, we laid out the stakes.

00:10:46.000 There's panic at the White House over Epstein.

00:10:48.000 You know, they even bring up Charlie and that Charlie got scolded for trying to elevate the issue at Student Action Summit in 2025.

00:10:57.000 I remember it well. 0.68

00:10:59.000 I can tell you that much of the reporting is in that instance is pretty accurate, actually.

00:11:06.000 I just have to say, though, and this is the part that is frustrating for me.

00:11:11.000 Where was the New York Times and CNN and ABC and all these guys the last four years of the Epstein list and the Epstein files when Joe Biden was president?

00:11:20.000 Where were they?

00:11:22.000 Where were the big exposes and the articles?

00:11:25.000 They don't care about what actually is happening with kids and human trafficking, they don't care about it.

00:11:33.000 And I can prove that, and I will in a second.

00:11:35.000 They were in favor of all the things that were happening at the border.

00:11:40.000 They were in favor of the humanitarian, the humane, compassionate immigration that was not compassionate or humane at all.

00:11:49.000 But now suddenly they care about Epstein because they see it as a political football that they can take advantage of.

00:11:54.000 They see it as a way to smear the Trump administration, which has released more files than anybody else.

00:11:59.000 Yes, sometimes they did it under duress and they were kicking and screaming.

00:12:01.000 I totally admit it was bad optics.

00:12:03.000 They should have done it out front and willing.

00:12:06.000 There were certain voices in the Administration that wanted to do so.

00:12:09.000 But if you read this piece carefully, one thing is very clear.

00:12:13.000 They understood they had an optics problem, but they also understood that there was no there there. 0.79

00:12:18.000 So, what do you do when the world is going to try and smear the president as some pedophile, some pedo protector is the way it gets smeared on the internet and sometimes IRL in real life?

00:12:33.000 But what do you do when there's no there there? 0.57

00:12:35.000 And how do you best handle it?

00:12:37.000 And I will just say they handled it.

00:12:38.000 The wrong way, many times.

00:12:40.000 And there's been certain voices in the administration, such as JD Vance, that wanted to just get it all out there, be forward facing, get out in front of it, send it all out.

00:12:50.000 That was the right impulse.

00:12:52.000 That was the right instinct.

00:12:54.000 They don't believe in objective morality, though.

00:12:57.000 The New York Times, these reporters, where were the stories incensed, outraged, morally indignant at this pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, when Joe Biden was president?

00:13:09.000 Nobody even talked about it.

00:13:10.000 The only people talking about it actually were people like Dan Bongino, people like us on this show, people like Charlie.

00:13:20.000 So, anyways, apparently morality just sways based on who's in office and who you can try and sway their votes.

00:13:27.000 They have no moral compass.

00:13:28.000 This is the problem with secular humanism.

00:13:30.000 It is what is the newest thing?

00:13:31.000 What is the latest thing?

00:13:34.000 And I'm going to prove it to you.

00:13:36.000 This morning, Todd Blanch, Acting Attorney General and our new DHS Secretary, Secretary Mullen, came out and they had a press conference.

00:13:47.000 And what was the press conference about?

00:13:50.000 It was about the 450,000 missing, smuggled, trafficked migrant children that were brought into the country.

00:13:56.000 Play Cut 22.

00:13:58.000 We found 146,000 kids so far.

00:14:02.000 146,000 kids.

00:14:05.000 We still have nearly 300,000 missing.

00:14:09.000 We're investigating reports to where.

00:14:12.000 Some of these kids claim that they were raped six to 700 times.

00:14:18.000 I don't care who you are.

00:14:20.000 I don't care if you have kids, if you don't have kids, I don't care if you're a liberal, you're independent, you're a Democrat, you're Republican.

00:14:28.000 If you can't stand for law enforcement to go find these kids, who are you?

00:14:35.000 Did you hear that?

00:14:37.000 So the Biden administration and Democrats created this mess at the border.

00:14:42.000 450,000 missing kids.

00:14:44.000 They found almost 150,000 of them.

00:14:46.000 There's 300,000 missing still. 0.61

00:14:48.000 And the ones they found are reporting back to DHS and ICE and CBP, all these, you know, the Gestapo that actually is saving kids, by the way, and reporting back to them.

00:15:00.000 They've been raped six or 700 times. 0.95

00:15:04.000 So, all you out there that are complaining about the pedo protectors and President Trump, guess what? 0.79

00:15:11.000 It's the Trump administration that just saved 150,000 kids. 0.98

00:15:14.000 From getting raped six or 700 times.

00:15:19.000 But it gets worse.

00:15:21.000 Todd Blanch says they have discovered 15,500 super sponsor cases.

00:15:28.000 These are people that smuggled dozens of kids each.

00:15:32.000 So, while we're talking about pedophiles and Jeffrey Epstein and 3D chess and 5D chess and all the right here at our border, kids were getting raped and molested by grown men, by cartels, by smugglers. 0.82

00:15:47.000 Play Cut 21.

00:15:49.000 Today, we are announcing the indictments of three individuals Maritza Kawik Koch, her brother Carlos Augustin Kawik Koch, and Gladys Marina Kalchen.

00:16:03.000 This was out of the Northern District of Ohio.

00:16:05.000 All three are illegal aliens from Guatemala who allegedly took part in a wide-ranging conspiracy to smuggle more than a dozen children into the United States by scamming the system and exploiting the loopholes created by the last administration.

00:16:20.000 This is one example, one indictment, but it is not unique.

00:16:24.000 There are over 15,500 super sponsor cases that we have identified along with DHS.

00:16:33.000 15,500 super sponsors, pedophiles, smugglers, rapists.

00:16:41.000 That's the truth. 0.99

00:16:42.000 That's the scandal.

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00:18:08.000 So, I want to bring in now Sarah Fields. 1.00

00:18:10.000 She's a mother. 0.99

00:18:11.000 She's an investigative journalist. 0.91

00:18:12.000 She's a state delegate. 1.00

00:18:13.000 She's a precinct chair.

00:18:14.000 She is grassroots, which is our love language here on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:18:19.000 Sarah, thank you so much for joining the show.

00:18:21.000 Thank you for having me.

00:18:21.000 Thank you.

00:18:23.000 So, you have been covering this like nobody else.

00:18:23.000 Yeah.

00:18:27.000 And everybody should go follow you on X. You have hundreds of thousands of followers already.

00:18:31.000 And you're doing incredible work here.

00:18:33.000 And it occurred to me, you and I spoke briefly on the phone yesterday.

00:18:37.000 It occurred to me that what I am watching in the reaction.

00:18:41.000 Especially from Carmelo supporters, it's like a whole set of different facts.

00:18:46.000 They are reacting to a case into a set of circumstances that didn't happen.

00:18:51.000 So, why don't we just start with what did happen and then we'll get into the reaction?

00:18:56.000 Put it brass tacks.

00:18:58.000 You were in the courtroom, you heard witness testimony, you saw video.

00:19:02.000 What happened in the murder of this poor young kid in the Metcalf family?

00:19:09.000 My heart goes out to them.

00:19:11.000 What really happened?

00:19:12.000 What really happened to the bottom line is that Carmelo was supposed to be warming up on the track.

00:19:18.000 He then walked away while the rest of his teammates and the rest of his students stayed on the track.

00:19:27.000 He walked over to the memorial tent.

00:19:29.000 He sat down.

00:19:31.000 And then, when he was asked to leave, because Austin Metcalf had been literally texted by his coach that morning and told that he wanted him to take a leadership role and to make him proud.

00:19:45.000 And all of my reporting includes the details of exactly what was said if you want to ever go back and look.

00:19:51.000 But he had been instructed before that everyone under the tent is supposed to be part of the team.

00:19:59.000 Needs to be, no one else needs to be underneath that tent.

00:20:03.000 And it was unusual for them, for anyone else that was not part of the team to come sit underneath the tent.

00:20:09.000 It was part of their policy.

00:20:11.000 It was part of what the coach's instructions were.

00:20:15.000 So he took the reins on this and said, you know, who is this kid?

00:20:20.000 Why is he under here?

00:20:22.000 And of course, Carmelo, you know, said, I'm Melo, and that was it.

00:20:26.000 And they then all chimed in and said, you're not supposed to be under this.

00:20:31.000 Tent, you need to, you know, go to where you need to be.

00:20:34.000 Um, and by the way, you know, it wasn't even, you know, the defenses say it rained and all this stuff.

00:20:40.000 And um, it was actually determined at one point that it wasn't raining, it was drizzling.

00:20:45.000 And where Carmelo sat under the tent was actually not even completely underneath the coverage of the tent, it was under only half of it.

00:20:53.000 Yeah, so he's sitting in the back, they're telling him to leave.

00:20:56.000 He refuses to leave, often then, uh, steps up a row or two.

00:21:02.000 And says, You need to leave.

00:21:05.000 And Carmelo said, You know, touch me and see what happens.

00:21:08.000 And at this point, his hand is already in the bag, already in the bag.

00:21:12.000 And he said, You know, you need to leave.

00:21:14.000 And he said, Apparently, according to several witnesses, he then said, Punch me and see what happens.

00:21:21.000 Austin said, I'm not going to fight you at a track meet, bro.

00:21:25.000 He then picks him up.

00:21:27.000 I'm sorry, not picks him up, but apparently he kind of grabs him and pushes him on the shoulder.

00:21:33.000 And then at that point, and according to all the witnesses, it was a slight nudge.

00:21:37.000 It was a slight push.

00:21:39.000 If it had been a harder push, I don't know.

00:21:42.000 Carmelo could never have reacted the way he did.

00:21:45.000 He would have fallen backwards, right?

00:21:46.000 But instead, it was a slight nudge and it was an immediate stab.

00:21:52.000 And it was so fast that every single witness that was underneath that tent could not even see the actual stab.

00:22:01.000 And it wasn't until Austin lifted up his shirt and said, He stabbed me.

00:22:05.000 He stabbed me and said, Oh my God.

00:22:07.000 Lifted up his shirt and they saw a hole in his chest and the blood running down.

00:22:11.000 It wasn't until then that they realized that Carmelo had stabbed Austin in the heart.

00:22:16.000 And then Carmelo then apparently walked upwards, ran down the bleachers for a very brief amount of time, and then slowed down again.

00:22:27.000 And apparently it would seem that he was trying to blend in with the crowd at that point and he never left the stadium.

00:22:35.000 That is what happened, according to witness.

00:22:38.000 Testimony, according to all evidence, including the video footage that was shown by Frisco ISD, there was no attack.

00:22:45.000 There was no four minute fight.

00:22:47.000 There was no, you know, arguing for long periods of time back and forth.

00:22:52.000 It happened so fast they didn't even realize what had happened to Austin until it was too late.

00:22:58.000 So it seems like a very cut and dry case of murder, basically unprovoked, completely nonsensical, preventable, unnecessary.

00:23:08.000 I mean, this should have just been an altercation at a You know, high school boys fight.

00:23:14.000 And it didn't even get to that point.

00:23:16.000 And yet, Austin Metcalf lost his life.

00:23:19.000 And it's egregious.

00:23:20.000 He is now, obviously, he's been found guilty.

00:23:22.000 And despite all of this, it's still being used for this modern American racial drama by bad actors.

00:23:31.000 But the wrong facts, the wrong details seem to be coming out when you hear people talk. 0.87

00:23:36.000 Jasmine Crockett, we'll just use her as a case in point.

00:23:40.000 Hear her reaction, and then let's talk about where some of this disinformation is originating from.

00:23:45.000 29.

00:23:46.000 And what we saw with that verdict is the evidence of a broken system.

00:23:50.000 A lot of people don't know what it is to live as a black person in this country, but.

00:23:53.000 Just like you can give the benefit of the doubt to so many police officers when they go out and they shoot some black unarmed person, even though they are trained.

00:24:02.000 The fact that there was little to no mercy seen or humanity seen when this black boy said that I was scared.

00:24:10.000 And I should say also, Sarah, that the mom and dad are now doing a press tour.

00:24:16.000 I don't think they're comporting themselves well at all.

00:24:21.000 But again, I'll just play the clip so everybody's aware of it.

00:24:25.000 And then I'll get your reaction, SOT 26.

00:24:28.000 My son is no murder.

00:24:30.000 My son didn't intend to hurt anyone.

00:24:35.000 My son was defending himself.

00:24:39.000 And that's what hurt so bad.

00:24:41.000 We were delusional.

00:24:42.000 We thought we was going to get a fair shake.

00:24:44.000 Everyone actually lied on us, Dad.

00:24:46.000 Everyone.

00:24:47.000 All of the witnesses' statements were inconsistent.

00:24:51.000 He was convicted when he walked out of the jail.

00:24:51.000 All of them.

00:24:56.000 If you looked at the news, all that shit, he was already convicted. 1.00

00:24:58.000 If you look at it, it was already done. 0.99

00:25:01.000 It was no innocence of proving guilty.

00:25:04.000 He was already guilty. 0.93

00:25:05.000 People want us dead. 0.89

00:25:08.000 That's what. 0.95

00:25:09.000 After they still got what they want.

00:25:11.000 Yeah. 0.90

00:25:11.000 After they still got what they want, they still want us dead. 0.90

00:25:14.000 You see, I go look at my phone, people want us dead. 0.96

00:25:16.000 They want our family dead.

00:25:18.000 So, Sarah, these facts, they are clear in this case. 0.92

00:25:25.000 And yet, it seems like the black community is not getting the same set of facts that we are. 0.92

00:25:30.000 What's going on here? 0.99

00:25:33.000 They know the facts.

00:25:34.000 And first, let me talk about Jasmine Crockett.

00:25:38.000 She said, unarmed black men, right?

00:25:41.000 First of all, Carmella was armed.

00:25:43.000 Austin was the one who was not armed.

00:25:45.000 Second of all, I watched that interview with Crockett, and she was talking about how this was just a small multi tool, you know, and it wasn't even a real knife.

00:25:55.000 At the end of the day, it was a deadly weapon because it was used to kill Austin Metcalf.

00:26:00.000 Also, what's crazy about this is that the multi tool rumor has been spread for nearly a year.

00:26:07.000 And it just kind of goes to show their mindset because they think that if it's not a vicious looking weapon, then somehow it's not a weapon.

00:26:18.000 But if you run somebody over with a car, that car becomes a deadly weapon.

00:26:23.000 And I just think it's interesting that she finally gives this interview talking about how it's a small multi tool.

00:26:29.000 But she gave this interview after the facts of the case about the knife had already come out in trial.

00:26:34.000 They had already shown a photo.

00:26:37.000 The person, the sorry, I can't remember what she's called, but she's the person who draws the pictures while she's in the trial room.

00:26:46.000 She actually drew a very accurate depiction of the knife.

00:26:49.000 The knife didn't look anything like a small multi tool, it looked like a hunting knife.

00:26:55.000 So the fact that that information had already come out and Jasmine Crockett is still being dishonest tells you what their mindset is. 0.99

00:27:02.000 These people are liars.

00:27:04.000 And no, the Anthony family, the parents, This is not going well for them because they keep claiming my son's not a murderer. 0.96

00:27:13.000 They have shown absolutely no remorse and absolutely no sympathy for the Metcalf family whatsoever.

00:27:19.000 They don't care that Austin lost his life.

00:27:22.000 They just are professional victims.

00:27:25.000 And like I said, this is kind of, you know, this is backfiring in their face. 0.98

00:27:29.000 And they're liars. 1.00

00:27:31.000 Drew Anthony is a liar. 1.00

00:27:33.000 He has literally assisted some of these activists with spreading rumors about people in order to try and paint themselves in a good light and paint the Metcalfs as these bullies and these horrible racist people. 0.98

00:27:49.000 Sarah, can I just tell our audience right now that's watching this?

00:27:54.000 Please realize that Sarah, we have to do this by phone right now because if we did this by video, there are death threats and doxing threats and all this against Sarah because she's been covering the case accurately.

00:28:07.000 And there's people that don't like that.

00:28:09.000 And so that's why we're doing it on phone so we don't give away your location right now.

00:28:13.000 And I want the audience to understand that.

00:28:17.000 I sure learned something from this. 0.95

00:28:19.000 I learned to tell my sons if a white boy. 0.92

00:28:24.000 Do not argue with no white boys because, baby, ain't no law protecting you if something goes down with them. 0.94

00:28:36.000 That's what I learned from this case. 0.94

00:28:38.000 I'm going to tell my sons, if you're arguing with a white boy, walk the f away because the law don't protect you. 0.69

00:28:47.000 It just, it like, it mind blown. 0.92

00:28:49.000 Boggles the mind.

00:28:51.000 You know what?

00:28:51.000 Sarah, you know what's funny about what she just said?

00:28:54.000 She just said she would teach her son to walk away.

00:29:00.000 Yeah, so the justice system worked here.

00:29:06.000 I mean, that's my takeaway, Sarah.

00:29:08.000 I'm flabbergasted.

00:29:09.000 Yeah, the justice system worked here.

00:29:12.000 So, actually, by holding a murderer accountable, guess what?

00:29:16.000 Cardi B learned a lesson.

00:29:17.000 You should walk away and not stab somebody, you shouldn't murder people.

00:29:22.000 Sarah, your reaction.

00:29:24.000 If he had been acquitted and he had walked away from all of this, it would have sent a message across. 0.78

00:29:31.000 The world across this country that you can stab someone for pushing you, that you can run into someone in Walmart, and if you don't like it, then you can stab someone.

00:29:45.000 You know, I when we watched the Frisco ISD footage, and you know, they've lied about that from the very beginning, it started the very first week.

00:29:51.000 You know, he was attacked by four boys, and you know, the fight went on for a long time, and Hunter was involved, even though Hunter was never involved.

00:30:00.000 So many rumors, so many lies.

00:30:02.000 Just outright lies, even after they actually had some of these people who lied actually saw the footage at Frisco ISD and they would see it through open records request.

00:30:14.000 They put their names onto this list and said, See, here's the list from open records request.

00:30:20.000 I saw the footage, so I know what I'm talking about.

00:30:22.000 And then they would proceed to lie.

00:30:25.000 I saw the footage as well.

00:30:27.000 I'm over here thinking, Did we see the same video?

00:30:31.000 But in the trial, they enhanced that footage.

00:30:33.000 And you literally see two figures, you still can't even see their faces.

00:30:38.000 You see two figures kind of go backwards and pop back up right at the same time, and then one fall and one run.

00:30:47.000 There was no fight.

00:30:48.000 It was just, you know, one individual falls somewhat backwards, pounces right back up, and then that's when he stabbed him.

00:30:56.000 But they've done nothing but lie about what they saw.

00:30:59.000 This is the part that's most fascinating to me, Sarah.

00:31:02.000 So you saw all the evidence.

00:31:06.000 All the information, all the witness testimony, you saw it.

00:31:09.000 You documented it brilliantly on your ex.

00:31:13.000 And thank you.

00:31:15.000 I am serious.

00:31:16.000 People need to follow Sarah on social media, please, because she did an incredible job.

00:31:22.000 Heroes work here.

00:31:23.000 And yet, and we talked about this briefly on the phone yesterday, Sarah.

00:31:26.000 You said a lot of this is getting propagated on social media.

00:31:31.000 There's a certain number of accounts that are pushing out a vast majority of this disinformation.

00:31:36.000 And by the way, I can attest on social media some of the stuff that I've dealt with after Charlie's assassination.

00:31:43.000 It's a handful of accounts that push out the vast majority of disinformation.

00:31:46.000 And then it confuses everybody.

00:31:48.000 So, what are we seeing in this case?

00:31:50.000 That's pushing out this alternate reality, this alternate set of facts.

00:31:56.000 Yeah.

00:31:56.000 So I literally watched this happen in real time.

00:31:59.000 Very early on, an individual by the name of Tiffany Billions, AKA Tiffany McAdoo, that's her real name, she actually ended up getting suspended on Facebook because she doxed my kids.

00:32:13.000 She doxed my family, and Facebook suspended her for that.

00:32:16.000 Yeah.

00:32:16.000 But then she went over to TikTok, and it was originally her.

00:32:20.000 And she claimed to be an advocate for the family that was spreading all these rumors about how he was attacked very, like, very detailed misinformation.

00:32:30.000 He was attacked by four boys, Carmelo fell backwards, he crab walked backwards.

00:32:34.000 It was just the very detailed descriptions of an absolute fantasy that didn't happen.

00:32:42.000 And then, slowly, little by little, up until now, these exact things that she first started to say is now being spread by large accounts and.

00:32:53.000 Yeah, very select counts online.

00:32:56.000 Another one is Dominique Alexander, who's done nothing but turn this into a race issue.

00:33:00.000 Tiffany turned this into a race issue as well.

00:33:03.000 They also did everything they could to discredit everything that I said.

00:33:07.000 Everything that I have said about this case from the very beginning, since day one, has been 100% accurate.

00:33:13.000 Everything.

00:33:14.000 And pretty much everything that I put out was backed up with documentation.

00:33:18.000 So they would do their best to discredit me by either going after my past, they would go after my family.

00:33:23.000 They would say that I received documents illegally, which was false.

00:33:29.000 They said that my documents weren't real, that I fabricated them.

00:33:33.000 It was crazy to watch them do this.

00:33:35.000 Well, Sarah.

00:33:37.000 But yet everything they said had no evidence.

00:33:39.000 Yeah, of course.

00:33:40.000 Of course. 1.00

00:33:40.000 It's all just rumor, innuendo, it's made up garbage, it's lies. 1.00

00:33:44.000 And here's what's sad about this there's this whole trend on social media right now where black men are going up to random white people, many of whom are homeless, by the way, and assaulting them. 1.00

00:33:56.000 I saw. 0.59

00:33:57.000 And there are warnings. 0.87

00:33:59.000 We played a clip yesterday on the show of men saying, you better not go out of your house this weekend, white people, because you're going to get beat up.

00:34:08.000 You're going to, who knows what else, what worse can happen, right? 0.96

00:34:11.000 They might get killed. 0.86

00:34:13.000 So this race drama that's been concocted on social media by liars and bad faith actors and race hustlers is now spilling out into real life.

00:34:23.000 And the thing that is mind blowing to me is that the case was so egregious against, the evidence was so against.

00:34:31.000 Carmelo Anthony, that not even Al Sharpton and Ben Crump, the classic race hustlers, race baiters, they don't even think it's worth putting their name to.

00:34:39.000 And yet it's still becoming this racial drama.

00:34:43.000 This is an amazing microcosm of a modern problem that we are dealing with in this country where you can just lie on social media, distort the facts, and guess what?

00:34:52.000 Sarah now has to call into the Charlie Kirk show so we don't find out her location and that the people that want her bad things for her can't figure out how to hurt her.

00:35:02.000 That's what we're dealing with.

00:35:04.000 It's tragic.

00:35:06.000 One minute, Sarah.

00:35:07.000 The floor is yours.

00:35:11.000 I just want to, I honestly just want everybody to just pray for the Metcalfs.

00:35:16.000 Regardless, even though the gag order is lifted now, these people know where they live.

00:35:22.000 These people know who they are.

00:35:24.000 They are being watched.

00:35:25.000 I'm being watched.

00:35:26.000 You got to understand that the Anthonys have not been swatted.

00:35:30.000 They have not been threatened, but the Metcalfs have been swatted. 0.54

00:35:32.000 I've been swatted.

00:35:34.000 You know, Megan and Jeff were swatted six times.

00:35:38.000 And, you know, when I did my interview with Jeff last night, I'm so glad that he finally got to say, you know, he finally got a load off his chest because.

00:35:48.000 I can't imagine having to be quiet while my murdered son is dragged through the mud.

00:35:56.000 And unfortunately, I don't think this is over.

00:35:59.000 I think they're going to have to take a lot of precautions.

00:36:02.000 A lot of us are going to have to take a lot of precautions because these people have shown themselves to be violent.

00:36:06.000 They are being incited.

00:36:08.000 And I just, I honestly just really want to ask everyone to pray for Megan and Jeff and really pray for Hunter as well.

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00:36:20.000 Thank you for making the time.

00:36:22.000 Please stay safe.

00:36:23.000 Thank you for your incredible reporting.

00:36:24.000 God bless you.

00:36:26.000 Thank you.

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00:37:29.000 We're very excited about our next guest, and that is Burt Jones.

00:37:32.000 He's running to be the next governor of the great state of Georgia.

00:37:37.000 He's Trump endorsed.

00:37:38.000 He's Turning Point Action endorsed.

00:37:41.000 He won the initial primary.

00:37:42.000 Now we're at the runoff, which happens on Tuesday.

00:37:45.000 So we wanted to let him explain to the audience why he's the right choice, which we believe, of course.

00:37:51.000 Burt Jones.

00:37:52.000 Welcome, Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones.

00:37:53.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:37:55.000 Yeah, good to be with you, Andrea, and I appreciate you having me on today.

00:37:58.000 And, uh, yeah, we're, uh, We're early voting right now, and election is on Tuesday.

00:38:02.000 And so we're just crisscrossing the state.

00:38:04.000 So we're joining you from an outpost here in South Georgia right now.

00:38:13.000 So, for those who are obviously in Georgia, we want them to go vote Burt Jones.

00:38:17.000 Early voting started, and then the runoff is on Tuesday.

00:38:22.000 So, everybody mark your count as a big, big day in Georgia.

00:38:26.000 So, explain the dynamic here, okay?

00:38:28.000 You had a crowded field, it was about eight candidates.

00:38:31.000 In the primary, you took the top spot.

00:38:34.000 You got the Trump endorsement.

00:38:35.000 I want to proudly say that Turning Point Action was one of the first groups that endorsed your bid for governor, and we're honored to do that.

00:38:43.000 And we're proud of your performance and how you've handled this race so far, sir.

00:38:46.000 So good on you. 1.00

00:38:48.000 What are we looking like right now?

00:38:49.000 Who are you up against, and what are the stakes?

00:38:51.000 Well, I mean, you know, number one, I appreciate the endorsement.

00:38:55.000 Turning Point USA, you know, we were honored to get the endorsement early on.

00:38:59.000 Obviously, you know, we did a lot of hard work back in the legislative session to get the first.

00:39:05.000 Turning Point USA piece of legislation passed in the state of Georgia.

00:39:09.000 And I think it was the first of its kind in the country that would allow groups to organize in high schools and as well as universities without being discriminated against for their political or religious views.

00:39:24.000 We appreciate all the help you gave us on that effort right there.

00:39:27.000 This election, we had eight people in the race, and obviously we finished first in that election a couple of weeks ago.

00:39:33.000 But now we're up against a guy who's really not a conservative guy, but he's got a billionaire healthcare executive that's been spending a lot of money.

00:39:44.000 Probably, you know, north of, we think around $200 million now, if you can believe that, the state of Georgia.

00:39:50.000 That's like the most dire level funding in California.

00:39:54.000 Yeah.

00:39:55.000 If you give a good indicator, the last gubernatorial race in all primary and also general was a little less than $20 million.

00:40:07.000 So that's where, but we have, he's obviously trying to buy the election.

00:40:13.000 We have the Trump endorsement and we have a teletown hall with the president tonight, which we're very excited about.

00:40:20.000 And yeah, feedback on the ground is very good.

00:40:23.000 And we like our chances on Tuesday, but people do have to get out and vote.

00:40:27.000 Obviously, in a runoff like this, that's going to be the key turning your people back out.

00:40:33.000 And like I said, yeah.

00:40:35.000 And you've got, I mean, I love your platform going through it.

00:40:38.000 I mean, this guy, this Rick Jackson guy, healthcare billionaire, entrepreneur, whatever, tens of millions, hundreds of millions.

00:40:46.000 Including loans of over $80 million spending against you.

00:40:50.000 Okay.

00:40:51.000 So he's giving himself loans, giving his campaign loans.

00:40:55.000 So, one of the things I'm really passionate about, and I hope Georgians are internalizing this because I'm living in Arizona.

00:41:04.000 I came from California.

00:41:06.000 The school choice that Governor Ducey, you know, Governor Ducey, people like him, people don't like him, whatever.

00:41:12.000 You know, now that we've got Hobbs here, we'd love to have Ducey back.

00:41:15.000 I can tell you that much.

00:41:15.000 But he got.

00:41:16.000 School choice done.

00:41:18.000 And that is one of the central planks of your platform.

00:41:21.000 I know we talk a lot about immigration and social issues and taxes and all that.

00:41:25.000 Maybe just spend a minute there on school choice.

00:41:28.000 I think it is the key.

00:41:30.000 I think it is the key to unlocking this, the Democrat super PAC that's known as the teachers' unions, breaking that back and the funding mechanisms and giving families and inner city families, poor families, more opportunity.

00:41:42.000 Please just tell Georgians right now, tell the country, tell Georgians why that's so important to you.

00:41:47.000 Well, yeah, obviously, look, we've been trying to get school choice passed here in Georgia for over a decade now.

00:41:53.000 And we were able to get it done under my first, obviously, first year as lieutenant governor.

00:42:00.000 And it was a tall order.

00:42:02.000 It was not an easy feat, but it was the right thing to do.

00:42:05.000 We passed it and literally not even advertising or promoting it.

00:42:09.000 We had over 10,000 families on the first day that it was available sign up wanting to participate because obviously, look, we're always for public education.

00:42:20.000 I'm a product of public education.

00:42:22.000 Education, you have to support it, and we have to do everything we can to improve it.

00:42:26.000 But not every public school system is the perfect fit for every child.

00:42:31.000 And when that is the case, parents, there's nothing more, you know, for a parent to not be able to have other choices for their kids when they're struggling in school.

00:42:45.000 There's nothing that makes you feel more helpless than that situation.

00:42:49.000 So, this school choice measure that we passed gives parents more options.

00:42:53.000 And it gives them the opportunity and gives these kids the opportunity to really succeed in an education arena of their choice.

00:43:02.000 That's right.

00:43:03.000 And I've seen so many kids that have had the opportunity to move school systems and they're thriving in the new school systems that they're in.

00:43:15.000 And you're exactly right.

00:43:17.000 It is the key to get a lot of crossover vote.

00:43:21.000 People who have been historically maybe independent or Democrats, we've had them come back, come to us now because we're giving them options out there.

00:43:32.000 That's great.

00:43:33.000 And it is something, and particularly, In the metro areas where you do have some failing inner city schools, when these parents have this opportunity and they're taking advantage of it, it is very heartwarming to see the success a lot of these kids have.

00:43:49.000 It is.

00:43:50.000 And I think it's interesting, too, because the winner of the runoff on Tuesday is going to be going up against former Atlanta mayor, Keisha Lance Bottoms.

00:43:58.000 So that's going to be, I think, a big recurring theme and something you could stand out with.

00:44:02.000 Listen, we've got a minute and a half left here, Lieutenant Governor.

00:44:06.000 I could ask you lots of questions, but what are the issues that Georgians care about that you're hearing?

00:44:12.000 Is it election integrity?

00:44:13.000 Is it immigration?

00:44:14.000 What are people most fired up about on the ground?

00:44:16.000 Well, I mean, it is the cost of living.

00:44:18.000 And we are trying to tell them, you know, right now, explain to them we're cutting income tax.

00:44:23.000 We've done it four years in a row.

00:44:24.000 We're going to continue to get there until we continue to cut it until we get to zero.

00:44:29.000 We're cutting homeowner property taxes.

00:44:31.000 We froze those this past legislative session.

00:44:33.000 We will continue to cut property taxes for homeowners.

00:44:37.000 That's a big issue.

00:44:38.000 Obviously, public safety.

00:44:39.000 Huge issue.

00:44:40.000 And those are things that we've been very strong on.

00:44:42.000 That's why we have almost 100 sheriffs from across the state of Georgia who are endorsing us.

00:44:48.000 And look, and I'm the only conservative in this race, quite frankly.

00:44:52.000 This guy is a closet Democrat that I'm running against, and I'll give us the best chance to win.

00:44:57.000 Keisha Lance Bottom was mayor of Atlanta. 1.00

00:45:00.000 She was a horrible mayor, quite frankly. 1.00

00:45:03.000 We had crime increase, we had literally riots in the street while she was mayor. 1.00

00:45:09.000 And now she wants a promotion. 0.74

00:45:11.000 But if we don't select the right person to take her on, and I know I'm that person, then we could very easily lose that seat.

00:45:20.000 And so this election is very important.

00:45:22.000 So, to all your Georgia listeners, and I know you have plenty of them, they need to get out and vote and vote for Burt Jones today, tomorrow, and on Tuesday, the 16th.

00:45:31.000 Let's do it.

00:45:32.000 Georgia, rise up, get the only conservative in this race across this finish line so we can make quick work of the former failed mayor of Atlanta.

00:45:42.000 Bert, we have your back.

00:45:43.000 You've been a great lieutenant governor.

00:45:45.000 You are the true conservative in this race.

00:45:47.000 That's why we got behind you so early.

00:45:48.000 That's why the president is behind you.

00:45:49.000 That's why he's doing a Teletown haul with you.

00:45:52.000 God bless you, sir.

00:45:53.000 Get it done.

00:45:54.000 We know you're working your tail off to do it, too.

00:45:56.000 So God bless you.

00:45:58.000 Appreciate you having us on and appreciate all the support that Turning Point has given us.

00:45:58.000 Thank you, Andre.

00:46:01.000 Absolutely.

00:46:02.000 We're honored to do it, sir.

00:46:04.000 God bless you.

00:46:07.000 I want to talk about Iran.

00:46:09.000 We kind of skipped over it because, in the first hour, I know there's a lot of new activity and action going on, kinetic strikes happening.

00:46:16.000 Tomahawk missiles being fired.

00:46:18.000 I think the president said it best when he said, This is the most violated ceasefire in the history of ceasefires. 0.60

00:46:25.000 So at this point, I understood that maybe some action needed to be taken because Iran's got these rogue elements, the moderates versus the more hardliners, and they're at war with each other inside Iran.

00:46:40.000 The command and control is broken down, the leadership is broken down, the communication is broken down.

00:46:44.000 So you've got different factions that want different things.

00:46:47.000 And so it's a vacuum, a void within the power structure of Iran that's forcing these deliberations and these negotiations to be very, very frustrating, very tough to navigate.

00:47:00.000 But what's fascinating about this story, I have to say, what's actually more fascinating to me is not really the play by play of who's striking what and who's doing what where, is that President Trump said, We're going to strike them again tonight. 0.75

00:47:14.000 We're going to hit Iran again tonight. 0.59

00:47:16.000 And you would think. 1.00

00:47:18.000 With that as the backdrop, that the stock market would collapse.

00:47:22.000 That there would have been a huge sell off on Wall Street.

00:47:24.000 People would be freaking out, hair on fire.

00:47:28.000 But that's not what happened.

00:47:29.000 You can see right there the Dow Jones is up, the SP 500 is up.

00:47:34.000 It's almost like this has all been baked into the cake already. 0.99

00:47:38.000 We're not reacting to the beat by beat, play by play, day by day action that's happening in Iran. 0.86

00:47:44.000 We understand it's sort of a detente, it's sort of a stalemate. 0.93

00:47:47.000 We're controlling the straight.

00:47:49.000 There's a blockade.

00:47:50.000 Iran is not getting their oil revenues like they want.

00:47:53.000 They're upset.

00:47:54.000 And the president is sort of saying, I can do this as long as you want, guys.

00:47:59.000 And if you guys are going to mess around, we're going to hit you back. 0.98

00:48:04.000 We're going to bomb the you know what out of them. 0.99

00:48:06.000 That's what he says. 0.74

00:48:08.000 So it's a fascinating back and forth.

00:48:10.000 It's people are ready for this to be finished.

00:48:13.000 There's no doubt.

00:48:14.000 I'm ready for it to be finished.

00:48:16.000 Our students at Turning Point are ready for this to be finished.

00:48:19.000 And President Trump seems to be signaling in an interview he had this morning.

00:48:22.000 That he's not sure.

00:48:24.000 He said, listen, if it was up to me, which it is up to him, but if he was just going by his own instincts, I think he'd go the whole way.

00:48:31.000 I think he'd decapitate the regime.

00:48:33.000 He would do full regime change because he's just sick of dealing with these people.

00:48:37.000 But he's said, I don't think the American people have the patience and the stomach and the appetite for that which I would be up for.

00:48:48.000 So it's this weird dynamic where the American people are saying, I want this war finished, but they've already kind of moved on.

00:48:54.000 The markets have already kind of moved on.

00:48:56.000 We're sort of just used to this being in the background.

00:49:00.000 So, what to make of it?

00:49:03.000 In a weird way, it's almost like the American people have grown more patience by becoming disinterested in the topic altogether.

00:49:09.000 Social media has grown disinterested.

00:49:12.000 It's not the same energy that happened when these strikes initially were launched.

00:49:19.000 So, what do you even make of it?

00:49:22.000 Well, what we make of it is that we want to make lemonade out of lemons here.

00:49:27.000 We've said on this show many times, and it bears repeating.

00:49:29.000 You can often start a war when you want to, but you can't end it when you want to. 1.00

00:49:35.000 The Iranians get a say here. 1.00

00:49:37.000 So now we're talking about Karg Island.

00:49:39.000 President Trump wants to take over it.

00:49:41.000 I'm going to play a couple clips just so you can get the actual sound from the president of how he's talking about this.

00:49:46.000 So this was yesterday, talking about how he'd like to make a deal.

00:49:51.000 SOT 36.

00:49:52.000 Oh, I'm talking to him.

00:49:53.000 Hey, I'd sort of like, I mean, I'd like to get a deal.

00:49:57.000 Now, less than three or four weeks to go.

00:50:00.000 Because, you know, once you do this, you could just go a step further.

00:50:05.000 Go a step further.

00:50:06.000 He'd like to make a deal, but he's not going to be messed with.

00:50:08.000 SOP 37.

00:50:09.000 You posted this morning about Iran, and you said that they've taken too long to get to a deal.

00:50:13.000 I want to make sure I quote you correctly. 1.00

00:50:14.000 You said that now they will have to pay the price.

00:50:17.000 What did you mean by that specifically? 0.92

00:50:18.000 Well, we're going to be attacking them, attacking them very hard.

00:50:22.000 You're resuming bombing? 0.93

00:50:23.000 Yeah, well, we are.

00:50:25.000 Based on a helicopter, I guess we have the right to do that.

00:50:27.000 And the reference to the helicopters, there was an American Apache helicopter that was shot down while it was patrolling the Strait.

00:50:34.000 Both pilots recovered.

00:50:36.000 Everything's good there, but Trump's like, we're going to hit you back.

00:50:40.000 President Trump continues.

00:50:42.000 SOT 32.

00:50:43.000 It's one of those things.

00:50:44.000 They have no defense.

00:50:45.000 They can't do anything about it.

00:50:47.000 The only thing they have is fake news.

00:50:49.000 You know, they have the New York Times write stories like they're doing great and they're not.

00:50:53.000 They've been wiped out.

00:50:54.000 But, you know, you read the New York Times and you read the Wall Street Journal, which is so fake. 1.00

00:51:00.000 I mean, I know you guys own it, but it's a real piece of garbage. 0.99

00:51:04.000 And you read the Wall Street Journal. 0.99

00:51:05.000 It's like they did an editorial today about we're not hitting them hard enough.

00:51:11.000 I mean, it's just not hitting them hard enough.

00:51:13.000 We dropped $250 million worth of bombs on them last night, you know.

00:51:17.000 The whole thing is crazy.

00:51:18.000 And they're really in submission.

00:51:22.000 They just don't know it yet.

00:51:24.000 And I think that's probably true, actually.

00:51:26.000 But their leverage is the Strait of Hormuz.

00:51:30.000 But it's just fascinating that the markets have moved on, the people have moved on, and Trump's talking about taking Karg Island.

00:51:36.000 There's a really funny story that President Trump, I think he's taken a page out of the Somali Pirates playbook, and he's now saying he's been stealing Iranian oil.

00:51:47.000 He's like a pirate Trump.

00:51:50.000 He's taking the oil.

00:51:53.000 I just find the whole thing to be an interesting observation about the lack of attention span of the American people. 0.74

00:52:02.000 So, how worked up are we supposed to be about this?

00:52:05.000 Now, Karg Island, for those of you who don't remember, is a strategically important island off the coast of Iran that handles a lot of their shipping and fulfillment of oil and getting energy out of Iran.

00:52:18.000 So, if President Trump wants to take the island, which apparently he does, Then that would be one more leverage point exerted over the Iranian regime.

00:52:27.000 So here we are. 0.74

00:52:28.000 It's a stalemate.

00:52:30.000 This is, you know, I don't know where this is going to go, but this is, again, I want to make one thing very clear.

00:52:38.000 I am for this ending. 0.96

00:52:39.000 This would be a home run if we can get a deal with Iran. 1.00

00:52:42.000 Sometimes you got to hit back, you got to do peace through strength, you got to show the strength. 0.52

00:52:47.000 But this is one of the reasons, I mean, when people say to pollsters, hey, the economy was better under Biden than it is under Trump, that just proves how short our memory spans are.

00:52:56.000 It's a wild, wild time we live in.

00:53:00.000 Good conversation is about respect.

00:53:03.000 It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard.

00:53:07.000 Charlie knew that.

00:53:08.000 Turning Point still knows that.

00:53:09.000 And TikTok has always strived to build the kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other.

00:53:19.000 When ideas meet respect, good things happen.

00:53:22.000 On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name, or a father explaining.

00:53:28.000 Sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers, viewers who listen, discuss, and then they respond.

00:53:33.000 TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding.

00:53:37.000 You can feel it in the comments, in the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world.

00:53:41.000 TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion, and discussion helps us build something real.

00:53:47.000 All right, joining us now is Zaya Youssef.

00:53:52.000 He's Reform UK, he's with Reform UK with Nigel's party there.

00:53:57.000 He's the Shadow Home Secretary.

00:53:59.000 So, a really, really Amazing guest that knows all about what's going on over there.

00:54:05.000 Zai, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:54:07.000 It's good to have you.

00:54:08.000 Thanks for having me.

00:54:09.000 Pleasure to be here.

00:54:10.000 So, I was watching some clips of yours.

00:54:14.000 You were doing interviews with British journalists, and I just, I'm always so struck by something that to my mind is so obvious, so common sense that when you look at the Henry Novak situation, poor guy, he gets handcuffed when he's the one who's been stabbed. 0.52

00:54:31.000 Obviously, there's a racial element. 0.79

00:54:33.000 And I'm watching you have to spar with these journalists that are white. 0.68

00:54:38.000 You're obviously not.

00:54:40.000 And they're telling you that that's a racist thing to notice, these race action plans.

00:54:45.000 I just, I have to say, I was shocked to watch you, and you navigated it brilliantly.

00:54:50.000 You were a gentleman, you're doing a great job.

00:54:52.000 But let's start there, because that leads into the Belfast story.

00:54:57.000 You got this Henry Novak situation that I believe is endemic to the way that the Brits are looking at their immigration problem.

00:55:04.000 Explain that for our audience and why it's such an important issue for the British people.

00:55:09.000 Sure.

00:55:09.000 So, look, poor Henry Novak was stabbed repeatedly by a Sikh man.

00:55:15.000 And what happened then was the murderer's family called the police and claimed that poor Henry had been racist to the murderer.

00:55:23.000 And when Hampshire police turned up on the scene, Henry said repeatedly to the attending officers that he had been stabbed.

00:55:32.000 The police officer responded, and we know all of this, I'm sure many of you have viewers would have seen the harrowing body cam footage.

00:55:39.000 The police responded with the words, I don't think you have, mate.

00:55:44.000 And the last words Henry heard on this earth.

00:55:47.000 Were his rights being read to him by Hampshire police as he was handcuffed as he bled to death?

00:55:53.000 Now, the British establishment, the media establishment, the political establishment, including the so called Conservative Party, have been at pains to say, don't politicize this.

00:56:03.000 This is an aberration.

00:56:04.000 This is a one off.

00:56:06.000 The total opposite, by the way, of everything they said post the death of George Floyd. 0.52

00:56:11.000 But what I made the case for is that this is an obvious example of anti white prejudice that is embedded within the code of conduct of British policing.

00:56:19.000 This is important for your viewers to understand.

00:56:23.000 The race action plan in British policing, a core part of the code of conduct, which tragically and ironically was actually brought to bear again by the so called Conservative government and cites George Floyd's death as the reason for its existence, explicitly demands that British police officers do not treat people the same.

00:56:40.000 That's a direct quote.

00:56:42.000 Do not act in a colorblind fashion.

00:56:44.000 That is a direct quote. 0.79

00:56:46.000 And, quote, prioritize offenses that cause most harm to ethnic minorities.

00:56:51.000 Now, if you demand that of police officers and then you say that there will be, quote, zero tolerance.

00:56:56.000 For any infractions of this code of conduct, I'm afraid what we saw on that body cam footage, as horrifying as it was, is a direct logical conclusion of that code of conduct, where the accusation of racism was taken more seriously than the accusation of having been stabbed.

00:57:16.000 And this is the point that Nigel Farage has been making.

00:57:18.000 You know, Nigel then did a live stream of an emergency broadcast when that body cam footage was released as a result of our pressure.

00:57:27.000 And he said, look, white lives matter just as much as black lives.

00:57:30.000 And I think the interview you're talking about there, you know, that was put to me. 0.69

00:57:33.000 Well, Nigel Farage says white lives matter.

00:57:37.000 This is a clarion call of white supremacists. 0.50

00:57:40.000 I said, well, what Nigel said was white lives matter as much as black lives. 0.67

00:57:43.000 And I asked the interviewer who was white, do you agree with that statement? 0.72

00:57:48.000 And I think I asked her six times, and she refused to answer at all, let alone in the affirmative. 0.68

00:57:54.000 So, look, what I will say is the percentage of the British population that believes that there is two-tailed policing to the detriment. 0.50

00:58:00.000 And prejudicially against white people in Britain.

00:58:03.000 That has doubled in the last two years alone.

00:58:05.000 The British people are waking up to this.

00:58:06.000 This is why reform has led north of 300 opinion polls now nationally in a row.

00:58:11.000 Why, if a general election happened tomorrow, the odds are Nigel Farage would be the prime minister.

00:58:17.000 But we should make no mistake that the hour is very late indeed.

00:58:21.000 Britain is buckling under the pressure of mass immigration, under two tier policing. 0.99

00:58:25.000 And we're seeing it throughout all of our great institutions, wokery, DEI, a lot of the things that you talk about on your show all of the time, have absolutely afflicted Britain too. 0.89

00:58:38.000 I would argue, though, that if you look at immigration, for example, our problem is even more acute, potentially, because if you were to look at the record of the so-called Conservative government over their 14 years that finished in 2024, they shipped in 12 million people legally during those 14 years.

00:58:55.000 And that's the equivalent of the fifth of our population, right?

00:58:57.000 Britain's obviously a much smaller landmass.

00:59:00.000 And a much smaller population.

00:59:02.000 And most of those people did not come to Britain on work visas.

00:59:05.000 So, look, I'm not a career politician.

00:59:08.000 I used to be an entrepreneur.

00:59:09.000 I'm in politics because I believe Britain can be turned around.

00:59:12.000 The hour is late, but things can be done.

00:59:14.000 But we're going to need such a radical root and branch overhaul of our institutions that it's going to take a new insurgent party like Reform and a leader like Nigel Farage to deliver that.

00:59:24.000 And, you know, the hour is late.

00:59:26.000 I think it grieves my heart.

00:59:28.000 It used to grieve Charlie's heart.

00:59:30.000 One of his last trips he ever took was to the UK.

00:59:33.000 And to see London so transformed ethnically, demographically, culturally, and to see a great people be so cowed by accusations of racism or this wokery, as you call it, it really troubles our hearts across the pond.

00:59:51.000 And it warms our hearts when guys like Nigel and yourself are speaking up loudly and unapologetically about something that should be common sense.

00:59:59.000 You're so obvious.

01:00:01.000 And yet, that's why I get enraged when I see your interviews having to defend such common sense.

01:00:06.000 Concepts with these British journalists.

01:00:09.000 They're so, they're 20 years behind, and it's just wild to me.

01:00:13.000 But what's happening in Belfast is another thing.

01:00:16.000 So, this was sparked by an attempted beheading by a 30 year old Sudanese man named Hadi Aludid, and he allegedly stabbed a 44 year old local man named Stephen Ogilvy multiple times.

01:00:31.000 The bystanders had to come and knock this guy with a shovel to his head to keep him from beheading this. 0.78

01:00:38.000 Native born son of Britain from the Sudanese man.

01:00:43.000 Now you're seeing riots.

01:00:45.000 Okay, now I'm not in favor of burning things down.

01:00:47.000 I'm not in favor of violence of any kind, but I'm in favor of righteous anger when the system has turned against its native born sons and daughters, like it has in the UK.

01:01:00.000 So I'll let you describe what's going on and what you think needs to happen.

01:01:04.000 Well, I think anger is the operating word.

01:01:06.000 And yeah, look, let's just, to the degree this is going to get clipped up by bad faith actors, let's just.

01:01:11.000 Put it out there.

01:01:12.000 Of course, we condemn violence of all of these sorts, right?

01:01:15.000 It goes without saying.

01:01:17.000 But British people are angry.

01:01:18.000 Many are furious, quite correctly, because this is a British public that have voted for less immigration in five consecutive elections, if you include Brexit.

01:01:30.000 And what were they rewarded with?

01:01:31.000 They were rewarded with such an unfathomable amount of immigration that it beggars belief. 0.97

01:01:37.000 And this Sudanese man was in Britain. 1.00

01:01:40.000 He was granted something called indefinite leave to remain, which is this insane, completely. 0.96

01:01:46.000 Mad, I think, status you can have as a foreign national, which allows you to stay, quote, indefinitely in the country legally, and you get lifetime access to our extraordinarily generous welfare state, including our national health service, including welfare if you choose, you don't want to work. 0.54

01:02:03.000 And nobody voted for this. 0.76

01:02:05.000 I mean, people, not only did they not vote for it, they voted against this repeatedly.

01:02:10.000 And this is why, again, I want to emphasize as terrible as Starmer is, all of the things that you hear about Starmer, they are true.

01:02:17.000 But Starmer's only been in power for a couple of years.

01:02:21.000 The things that you are seeing on your screens are directly downstream from the actions of the so called Conservative government, which is why reform was created and why we've already now supplanted them as the primary electoral force on the right of British politics.

01:02:35.000 And in particular, if you look at this man, look, I tweeted out the other day, just a couple of days ago, that some cultures are much better than others.

01:02:43.000 And even that, the Overton window is moving.

01:02:46.000 If we're unwilling to say that our culture is better than others, then what on earth are we all here to do?

01:02:52.000 I got a lot of criticism, particularly from the left, as a result of that.

01:02:56.000 And you described some of these journalists as sort of being 20 years out of date.

01:02:59.000 Maybe some are, but that ascribes a certain level of good faith to them.

01:03:03.000 And some, I'm not going to say the entire media background.

01:03:05.000 I don't mean to say I don't have any good faith to them.

01:03:07.000 Yeah, but I'm afraid many of them are absolute.

01:03:10.000 I don't describe them as journalists, I describe them as activists.

01:03:13.000 Right.

01:03:14.000 They are just as you have here in America.

01:03:17.000 And again, I don't want to tar everyone with the same brush, not all of them, but many are.

01:03:20.000 They have an agenda.

01:03:22.000 And then when somebody turns up and says things that are demonstrably true, Then it sort of blows their mind. 0.82

01:03:29.000 And I think some of those clips you're talking about that went viral, you know, the one I did with Cathy Newman, where I kept asking her, does she agree that white lives matter as much as black lives? 0.63

01:03:37.000 And she could not even answer yes.

01:03:39.000 I asked her five times.

01:03:40.000 When she asked whether, you know, Nigel Farage was, quote, inciting violence by saying the British people are right to be angry, having watched the body cam footage of poor Henry's death, I asked her, did you watch the footage?

01:03:51.000 I said, how did you feel as a human being?

01:03:51.000 She said yes.

01:03:54.000 Right.

01:03:54.000 And eventually she admitted that she was angry about it, right?

01:03:57.000 So, look, you know, again, I want to emphasize the hour is late.

01:04:01.000 I'm not here to say that Britain is beyond repair.

01:04:03.000 I wouldn't be doing this if I believed that.

01:04:06.000 But I am, my heart is warmed by the fact, as I said, reformers led north of 300 opinion polls in a row.

01:04:13.000 Millions of people in the country share our views.

01:04:16.000 And as you just said, it's going to take, I think this is the battle of our lives, the battle of our generation.

01:04:21.000 I'm speaking at the Heritage Foundation this afternoon, speaking about saving Britain, saving the West, our last chance.

01:04:27.000 I think this is the battle of our lives.

01:04:32.000 People telling the truth courageously as much as we can and making the case to our respective electorates to ensure that in the end justice is done.

01:04:42.000 And if we do that, I do believe we can have a great outcome for Britain.

01:04:46.000 I think that the corollary to how horrific all these things are, I mean, if we removed the structural racism that exists against white people from the police code of conduct, for example, that would be a start, wouldn't it?

01:04:57.000 I just want to give a shout out to Nigel.

01:04:58.000 Nigel has been banging the drum on this stuff for years.

01:05:02.000 And this is where I want to get into.

01:05:03.000 You mentioned it briefly about deportations.

01:05:07.000 Remigration, whatever.

01:05:08.000 I can only imagine the uphill battle that we had in the United States of moving the Overton window about the way people talk about it, think about it.

01:05:15.000 If you think back to Trump 1.0, there was all this drama about a wall, building a wall.

01:05:19.000 They wouldn't give him the money to build a wall.

01:05:21.000 Now the wall, we don't even talk about it.

01:05:22.000 It's getting built, it's not even controversial anymore. 0.92

01:05:25.000 But I can only imagine in the UK, thinking about some of these interview clips I've seen you do, of just how explosive of an issue it is going to be with these 12 million migrants that have come in under the Tories, which is just amazing, the so called conservatives.

01:05:41.000 I have been hearing, if you go online, I'm told that, you know, Restore UK, they're the real hardliners.

01:05:49.000 You guys are a bunch of weaklings when it comes to immigration.

01:05:52.000 What is the truth? 0.65

01:05:53.000 Well, look, firstly, the concept of the mass deportation of people in the country illegally is a majority position amongst the British public, right?

01:06:01.000 So that's the first thing to say. 1.00

01:06:02.000 There is widespread support for that now.

01:06:05.000 The second thing to say is, you know, last summer, me and Nigel stood up and did a big press conference under a huge Union Jack flag and launched what we Called Operation Restoring Justice. 0.96

01:06:15.000 And that was a plan to deport all illegal migrants in Britain. 0.98

01:06:18.000 Now, that is the first time any major political party, let alone one leading in the national polls, had made such a commitment. 0.92

01:06:25.000 We announced that we'd create a whole new agency called UK Deportation Command, which would just have one mission, which is to detain and deport every illegal migrant in Britain. 0.89

01:06:35.000 So we couldn't be clear about that.

01:06:36.000 Now, that's the first part.

01:06:37.000 That deals with the illegal migrant problem, which is somewhere between 1.2 and 2 million people in Britain who are there without permission.

01:06:45.000 But then you have people who came to the country legally under this program, this indefinite leave to remain program.

01:06:51.000 So then we announced.

01:06:52.000 And we're the only political party in Britain, full stop, who have announced this that we would abolish indefinite leave to remain altogether. 0.98

01:06:59.000 We think it's crazy that you can be a foreign national and get full access to our welfare state and our health service. 0.90

01:07:05.000 And we would introduce a work visa that is a very high bar, meaning if you're not a net contributor to Britain, to the British economy, you're not going to get safe. 1.00

01:07:13.000 If you don't speak proper English, you don't get to stay.

01:07:15.000 If you commit crime, you don't get to stay, which, I mean, maybe you tell me, but we think that's a pretty reasonable position that you contribute economically, that you don't commit crime, and then you speak.

01:07:24.000 Good English.

01:07:25.000 And so we've announced that we would abolish that.

01:07:27.000 Now, obviously, a lot in the left wing media lost their minds about that too, but I think it's an extremely reasonable position.

01:07:33.000 And I've also made the case that if you went for dinner at somebody's house, just because you entered their house legally doesn't mean you get to stay forever.

01:07:40.000 I'm here in your studios, it doesn't mean I get to stay here forever.

01:07:43.000 The idea that just because you entered a country legally means you get to stay forever is such a ridiculous concept on its face that the argument needed to have been made.

01:07:51.000 Now, if you add all of those numbers up in terms of what we are saying, Would need to happen.

01:07:57.000 We're talking about millions of people ultimately who would lose their either be forcibly, you know, an enforced removal or lose their eligibility to stay in Britain.

01:08:07.000 And look, I was an entrepreneur.

01:08:09.000 The majority of the revenues of our company when we sold it came from America.

01:08:13.000 I spent a lot of time here.

01:08:13.000 You know, I came in on a renewable visa, right?

01:08:16.000 And the moment I no longer qualified for that visa, I would have known that I'm not welcome to stay in America anymore.

01:08:21.000 So all we're trying to do is say, look, Britain needs to be a serious country.

01:08:26.000 And to, you know, to answer your question about, you know, who's Who are the real deal?

01:08:31.000 Nigel Farage has dedicated almost his entire adult life to this.

01:08:34.000 He was talking about the appalling grooming gangs decades ago.

01:08:39.000 He had a huge billboard that had Breaking Point on it and depicted an enormous number of migrants coming to Britain and paid an enormous cost for making these arguments years and years and years, to your point, before the Overton window moved.

01:08:55.000 And now that sort of a billboard wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

01:09:00.000 Moved the Overton window.

01:09:01.000 He's dedicated his life to this.

01:09:03.000 He came out of retirement, by the way.

01:09:05.000 That's why I'm in politics, because he came out of retirement and dedicated himself to this.

01:09:08.000 So, you know, in the end, voters are going to have to make their own minds up.

01:09:12.000 But there is no party that has a more hardline position with regards to borders, with regards to deportations than reform in the UK.

01:09:21.000 I want to play this clip, Zia, of a caller that it was, I think this is some British outlet.

01:09:30.000 I want people to understand the anger that is boiling up and bubbling up in the UK.

01:09:37.000 And I think this does a good job of it.

01:09:38.000 I'll get your reaction on the other side.

01:09:40.000 44.

01:09:41.000 You shouldn't condone what happened.

01:09:44.000 What else have people got to do?

01:09:46.000 They're not listening.

01:09:46.000 The political class are not listening.

01:09:48.000 These people who are coming over here illegally, they're rapists, terrorists. 1.00

01:09:54.000 They're coming over here. 1.00

01:09:55.000 It's literally like putting a wolf in a sheep field.

01:09:58.000 You are giving them a target rich environment.

01:10:00.000 You haven't.

01:10:01.000 Vetted them, you've done nothing.

01:10:03.000 All you've done is dump them in a place where they can wreak havoc.

01:10:06.000 They can literally go where they want and create havoc.

01:10:09.000 And when they do, the people that foisted them upon us, guess what?

01:10:12.000 They say, don't get upset.

01:10:14.000 Don't do anything.

01:10:16.000 Don't go out and cause unrest.

01:10:18.000 Well, tell you what, mate, stop reaping, then you might not have to sow it.

01:10:22.000 Because this country is absolutely on the edge. 0.96

01:10:25.000 They cannot take much more of people getting stabbed, raped, blown up.

01:10:29.000 You name it, you foisted it upon us for the last 25, 30 years.

01:10:34.000 Wow.

01:10:35.000 Final words to use, you.

01:10:36.000 Well, look, the anger that you heard there is reflected by many, many people in Britain.

01:10:41.000 And I want to make the point what you heard in that anger was not hyperbole.

01:10:45.000 We know for a fact, because it's been revealed now, that.

01:10:48.000 People wanted for murder in their home countries have been turning up on our beaches illegally and getting free accommodation and free healthcare and being deposited into local communities and then preying on British women.

01:10:58.000 That has happened.

01:10:59.000 That is a demonstrable fact and it is still happening.

01:11:03.000 So that anger, I'm afraid, is only going to grow.

01:11:05.000 Of course, we condemn all forms of violence, but ultimately, that gentleman is correct.

01:11:09.000 The political class are not listening.

01:11:11.000 And to the degree you get angry about it, you're called all sorts of names and told to keep to yourself.

01:11:16.000 Zia, real quick question. 1.00

01:11:17.000 How soon can we get rid of? 1.00

01:11:19.000 Kier, how soon can this happen?

01:11:20.000 I keep hearing like four or five years.

01:11:22.000 Can we something sooner?

01:11:23.000 Ten seconds?

01:11:24.000 Well, in ten seconds, it's quite possible.

01:11:27.000 It might be the case that the bond markets force the Labour government's hand to have a general election.

01:11:32.000 There's a good chance of that.

01:11:33.000 We can only hope and pray.

01:11:34.000 Zia Youssef, thank you.

01:11:36.000 You're doing a great job.

01:11:37.000 Keep up the great work, and we have your back.

01:11:40.000 Thank you.

01:11:44.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 11, 2026

The Epstein Files: What Went Wrong?

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