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00:01:09.000All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:09.000Although, Charlie, two lies in a truth.
00:02:11.000Charlie used to all Blake can attest, Charlie used to always come into the studio with the, he would have, you know, business on the top and then shorts on the bottom.
00:02:52.000Listen, so we've got a jam-packed show.
00:02:55.000We figured, let's just throw the kitchen sink at it today.
00:02:58.000And we're going to have a lot of guests.
00:02:59.000So we're starting off with Jack Pasobic, host of Human Events Day.
00:03:02.000We're going to talk Epstein because with all the craziness around Amfest and just kind of processing Amfest and our straw poll, we have not.
00:03:11.000I mean, I personally, I have not had a chance to really dive in.
00:03:13.000So Jack's going to be our expert on that and kind of give us the updates on that.
00:03:18.000I saw that there's a third tranche of files from the DOJ following the passage of that law.
00:03:55.000Okay, so this is the response to that legislation that was passed by the House a while back.
00:04:01.000It was a bipartisan piece of legislation regarding the Epstein files, which some of us, like myself, have been calling for since day one of President Trump returning to the White House.
00:04:13.000And what we've got now are actual files coming out.
00:04:16.000Now, what we have today, this is there, so there were files released during Amfest because, of course, it couldn't be a turning point event without Epstein files getting released separately.
00:04:26.000And then now we've got more Epstein files that are being released as part of this tranche.
00:04:32.000And I believe that one of the things that's going on right now is that a lot of these files that are coming out, these are investigative files.
00:04:38.000These are things that came up as evidence.
00:04:40.000And there are a lot of redactions in these, some of which we're told are redactions for victims, on personal information that people don't want out for those who aren't being accused of a crime or people who are, like I said, victims of Epstein and of his network and potentially even underage, depending on who it is.
00:05:01.000Obviously, we can't tell in many of these cases.
00:05:03.000But there are so many more files that are coming out.
00:05:08.000And also that people are saying there have been back and forths of the DOJ.
00:05:13.000They said, wait a minute, you put some stuff out, then you put out other stuff and redacted.
00:05:16.000So there are people even, this is a very live situation where people are responding to the DOJ release legally and saying, hey, I want that redacted.
00:05:54.000It just has to be said, truthfully, there are a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton.
00:05:59.000Bill Clinton in a hot tub, him and Bill Clinton on planes, him and Bill Clinton wearing, you know, matching, matching shirts of some kind at like some kind of party.
00:06:09.000So again, what you're not finding are images of Donald Trump in a hot tub.
00:06:15.000And so the Democrats are sitting there going, like, wait, what's, you know, what's happening?
00:06:20.000Because we were told Trump would be the one in there.
00:06:22.000And yes, there were some instances where they said, okay, we found some records of Trump flying on the plane.
00:06:28.000But what was interesting is, of course, not only did they still not find Trump flying, just be truthful, they did not find Trump flying to the island, but Trump was also flying on the plane with his family.
00:06:49.000Like we're talking 30, 30, 40 years ago in some instances, so where it's like just or 30 years ago.
00:06:57.000So instances where long before any of these, any of his crimes had come to life, long before, and we know the rest of the story, we've been over it so many times where he was evicted from Mar-a-Lago for his behavior.
00:07:09.000And then Trump actually goes to the lawyers of the victims to say, how can I help you to put this guy away?
00:07:16.000And what we're seeing again over and over are pictures of him of Epstein, as well as some emails with Prince, or I should say former Prince Andrew.
00:07:26.000A fake passport is something that just came out, which is something that's really interesting.
00:08:08.000But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago.
00:08:16.000And they're, you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others.
00:08:21.000And they'll end up because of guys like Massey, who's a real low life.
00:08:26.000What this whole thing is with Epstein is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous success that the Republican Party has.
00:08:33.000You know, this feels pretty consistent with Trump's original kind of objection to this.
00:08:39.000You know, and we have to remember that if they had something on Trump, it would have been weaponized by the Biden administration, you know, 10 times over.
00:09:04.000I actually don't, kind of getting inside the psyche of President Trump, I actually don't think he has like a bone to pick with Bill Clinton per se, maybe Hillary more so.
00:09:15.000But, yeah, I think Trump knows a lot of these guys, kind of knows the situation that some of the innocent ones are put in.
00:09:23.000It just feels like he's being consistent.
00:09:25.000But, you know, the admin was pressured.
00:09:28.000You know, he takes a shot at Thomas Massey right there to be more transparent.
00:09:32.000So he's doing what he's got to do politically, but I think he actually seems to be fairly disgusted with the fact that one thing I should mention is there is a very strange letter to Larry Nasser.
00:09:43.000Larry Nasser, who we know also went to prison and is in prison for these same type of crimes, that Epstein wrote a letter to him saying, as you know by now, I have taken the short route home.
00:09:54.000We shared one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and the hope they'd reach their full potential.
00:10:00.000And then he also, he makes a lewd reference to Trump, and then he writes, life is unfair.
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00:12:48.000And when you just release a giant pile of photographs of someone who's become an infamous figure, you basically tar everyone by association.
00:12:59.000And I guess I would caution everyone to take a step back and think, what do we really have proof of?
00:13:05.000What has actually been litigated in court?
00:13:07.000Because, for example, a lot of these cases, when they have gone to court, people have either they've gone to court, like Alan Dershowitz was able to sue Virginia Guffery, and she had to admit she just was lying about him.
00:13:19.000Or we have cases where a lot of, this has been a funny pattern that's been going on throughout the case this year, where a lot of the victims have just been saying, they've been saying, release the names, release the names, but they won't name names themselves.
00:13:33.000And I think a justifiable reason for skepticism there is they don't want to name names themselves because they actually don't have evidence and they're basically worried about getting sued for defamation and they wanted others to do the work for them to justify allegations that they could kind of get away with making without being as facing as much risk of actual defamation.
00:13:55.000It just the whole thing feels very off to me.
00:13:59.000Jack, you're kind of a contrarian voice in this space a little bit as well.
00:14:04.000I mean, where would you put yourself on the spectrum of like he was this mastermind international pedophile ringleader with compromise on the world's leaders versus he was just kind of like a kinky gross disgusting like sex pest that was connected to a few international leaders.
00:14:24.000Maybe he was working with the CIA, Mossad, whatever.
00:14:27.000There's so many options of what the truth is here.
00:15:04.000But I really do think that there's a lot more to this than I think than meets the eye.
00:15:10.000But when it comes to what Blake is saying, I can appreciate what Blake's saying because when you go to court, you absolutely need evidence and you need to be able to stand these things up on evidence.
00:15:19.000So what I would also say, though, is if the DOJ has this evidence, then we should put it out or at least make it available to any of the victims should they want to sue.
00:15:28.000And I believe that a number of the victims are getting restitution from the estate of Epstein and I think they deserve that.
00:15:32.000But if there are people out there like former Prince Andrew or others who were involved in crimes, then absolutely you have to use the evidence.
00:15:39.000Like that's the whole point we have the government.
00:15:41.000That's the whole point we have the Department of Justice.
00:15:50.000Jack, one more question here before we got to go.
00:15:53.000What do you make of this video that was circulating around yesterday?
00:15:56.000It seemed to show, and the timestamp lined up with his suicide or murder, however you want to look at it, whether it showed him potentially committing suicide.
00:16:07.000Yeah, I think that ended up being a recreation that was not an actual video.
00:16:12.000That was something that possibly was done as a recreation, CGI kind of thing to say, you know, if he did it, here's a way he possibly anatomically could have done it.
00:16:20.000Possibly something they were looking at during the autopsy.
00:16:23.000Different things like that can be created when you're ongoing, but I don't think that's it.
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00:19:14.000I got to tell you, what I've always loved about Amfest, I love the energy.
00:19:18.000I love the number of people you can get in there.
00:19:21.000Just like the logistical feat of pulling something like that off, let alone in a year like this, really blows my mind.
00:19:29.000But the thing that I have always loved about it, about Charlie in particular, and kind of the whole TPUSA vibe is how ecumenical it is.
00:19:38.000He will have or had people all the time where I was like, yeah, I don't really like that guy.
00:19:42.000And then there would be people who would be like, oh, yeah, that guy's awesome.
00:19:45.000And I think that's kind of what makes the movement great is that we don't have to always agree on everything all the time for the same reasons.
00:19:53.000And so I like having the people up there who can disagree, who can do it respectfully, because the whole point here is to build a coalition that can win elections and then do what needs to be done to save our country.
00:20:04.000So that's what I loved about Amphest this year, in particular, after everything that's happened, is it would have been easy to just retreat in on yourself and become very kind of self-referential and self-focused.
00:20:16.000And instead, the focus stayed on the country and the movement and everyone who's within it, even the people I don't agree with all the time.
00:21:29.000But I don't think we saw too much of that.
00:21:32.000I think we saw a lot of people trying to characterize it that way.
00:21:34.000But I think what we saw was you saw an aggressive posture about what we should be talking about, what we should care about most, what is good or bad behavior.
00:21:50.000I think, you know, let's just say the elephant in the room.
00:21:54.000A lot of people are reacting specifically to what Ben Shapiro said immediately after Erica spoke.
00:22:01.000And I don't think Ben was saying we need to aggressively cancel people.
00:22:07.000I think he was saying he was disappointed in how a lot of people had handled certain topics.
00:22:16.000And I think in response to that, many people said, oh, he's trying to cancel us.
00:22:21.000I think Ben was going about it in the way Ben does.
00:22:38.000But I think on the ground among attendees, we saw a lot of people who, frankly, they enjoyed what Ben said and what Megan said, what Tucker said.
00:22:48.000And I think that's really how a lot of the base feels.
00:22:51.000I think the people who are getting angry enough to boot others out are kind of a pretty small slice of the coalition overall.
00:23:00.000Yeah, and they're loud online, though, right, Sean?
00:23:02.000I mean, that's why I wanted to get your perspective in.
00:23:04.000Because to Blake's point, there was people in the audience who were like, what are we fighting about?
00:23:09.000People had no idea that there was a kind of a family business fight happening, right?
00:23:17.000And then you had people that were like, we actually did a show of hands in our members podcast room.
00:23:24.000And we said, who likes Ben's approach?
00:23:55.000Charlie would have brought that for sure.
00:23:57.000Yeah, we don't tell anybody what to say, actually, at these things.
00:24:01.000So you from the outside, but there is this loud contingent on X and other forums that are saying it's time to sort of excommunicate this or that or this person or that person.
00:24:12.000Yeah, and I mean, that's to be expected online.
00:24:14.000This is politics, and politics is all about getting your way so that someone else who you disagree with can't get their way.
00:24:20.000So like, that's, it's just kind of part and parcel of how politics works.
00:24:25.000Again, what I have always liked is the ecumenicalism of TPOSA and the movement in general.
00:24:30.000And like my personal philosophy on this is if you're within the movement, define it as loosely as you like.
00:24:37.000If you're putting points on the board, if you are bringing people to the table and you're moving the ball where we need to go, I'm good with you, even if I might disagree with you on a whole bunch of stuff.
00:24:46.000And that goes for Tucker and Megan and you and Ben Shapiro and Nikki Minaj or anyone else.
00:24:52.000If you are rowing with us and you're not actively trying to hurt the movement and hurt the country, there's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement.
00:25:03.000And so I think it's good to have that.
00:25:05.000And the other thing to recognize is we're never going to agree with everyone all the time.
00:25:09.000I don't agree with my wife on everything all the time.
00:25:11.000I don't agree with my kids on everything all the time.
00:25:14.000I have debates in my own head with myself on issues back and forth.
00:25:17.000So like it's hard to get full agreement with people you know and love and care about a trillion percent.
00:25:24.000Imagine how much more difficult it is going to be to agree with everyone all the time, people who you don't know with different backgrounds and different priorities.
00:25:32.000And then you talk about kind of like the online nature, and there really is such a big divide.
00:25:38.000If you live your entire life on the internet with the screen in front of you, you are going to have a very different perspective of where the country is than if you don't do that.
00:25:47.000And it obviously, you know, Twitter or X isn't real life, but it can be reflective of it.
00:25:52.000So I don't want to dismiss the online debates because they're important and they do mean something and they represent real people.
00:25:59.000But it's really important to be out there talking to normal people, talking to people who are not online, who are not political obsessives, because as much as it may pain people like us to hear we are political obsessives, most people are not like us.
00:26:12.000They don't look at the world through the lens that we look through it.
00:26:16.000And so it's just great to have 30,000 people, especially young people, who are forming their own worldview and their own opinions and getting their perspective.
00:26:25.000And when they are out there saying the people who are there, yeah, yeah, half of us liked it and half of us didn't.
00:26:30.000That seems to me like you've struck a pretty good balance on how to represent the whole of the movement.
00:26:35.000Yeah, I mean, I think that's, and you're echoing so much of what JD said in his speech.
00:26:40.000You know, let's go ahead and play some sound from him.
00:26:45.000All of you, each and every one, President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics by running his supporters through endless self-defeating purity tests.
00:26:58.000He says, make America great again because every American is invited.
00:27:10.000We don't care if you're white or black, rich or poor, young or old.
00:27:22.000And it's not that he didn't put boundaries in the speech.
00:27:25.000I mean, he basically condemned anti-Semitism.
00:27:28.000He condemned racism, anti-white racism, anti-Asian racism, and lifted up merit, merit, merit, merit.
00:27:36.000I sort of just wonder if people, you know, if he didn't straight up say, I condemn Nick Fuentes in this speech, I wonder if anybody would have been like, that crowd would have been happy.
00:27:47.000You know, he didn't have to say some people's names, which he then did condemn him by name the next day.
00:27:54.000Yeah, I mean, because he came after his wife, right?
00:27:56.000So JD put a big line in the sand on that front.
00:28:00.000But like, listen, I think the message was clear.
00:28:03.000I think 90% of people heard it, but I think there's a loud minority online that is just not going to be happy until, you know, everybody's getting like, you know, going full Ben Shapiro and taking a howitzer to everybody else in the movement.
00:28:18.000Yeah, so I think it's when people are doing that, they are pretending to be mad at him about one thing when they're actually mad about another thing.
00:28:26.000And with JD, foreign policy is the main thing.
00:28:34.000He's very much a realist and someone who, having been involved in America's wars personally, understands that, you know, we need to be a lot more circumspect about how we get in.
00:28:43.000And so when people go after him, it's really a proxy battle over foreign policy.
00:28:47.000And I think a lot of people, honestly, I wish they were just more honest about what the real issue is rather than trying to pretend it's something else.
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00:34:22.000I also think there is a very large, I don't want to say it's totally moral blackmail, but people really enjoy patting themselves on the back for being compassionate and willing to spend other people's lives and other people's money to do things which they think are morally right to do.
00:34:40.000It's kind of the COVID nannying, but taken to a foreign policy extent.
00:34:46.000Oh, I'm not doing this to help myself.
00:34:49.000I think there is a large segment of people who really, really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it, almost like the stolen moral valor aspect of it.
00:35:08.000And why did we have this role if we're not just going to go be the world police?
00:35:11.000I think there are people who legitimately believe that.
00:35:14.000Yeah, and you know, Charlie used to rail against people being fixated and fascinated about foreign abstractions.
00:35:21.000It's somehow, I think, honestly, when you get into a position of power or political office, it's easier to sort of think about others far and away and ignore the problems right at your doorstep because those are harder and might reflect poorly on your own self.
00:35:41.000People do get they get fixated on these big abstract things.
00:35:46.000I think honestly, it's almost, I think it's a lot of people who get into politics and get into government are kind of nerds and dorks and they remember being kids and they liked the idea, oh, I'm moving these like big, I can move these armies.
00:36:01.000It'd be so cool if I was Alexander the Great.