The Charlie Kirk Show - The Epstein Finale?

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 It's the last show before Christmas.

00:01:13.000 I'm your host for today, Andrew Colvet, joined by Blake Neff, who's in the studio.

00:01:19.000 What are you wearing, Andrew?

00:01:21.000 Oh, I'm wearing the dude of buds.

00:01:24.000 Yes.

00:01:26.000 Yes.

00:01:26.000 Jennifer, you got a sweater on.

00:01:28.000 Blake, you do not have a sweater on because I forgot to tell you that I was wearing my ugly Christmas sweater today.

00:01:33.000 I don't think I even own a sweater.

00:01:35.000 I live in Phoenix.

00:01:37.000 Blake, you literally didn't get the Christmas motor memo.

00:01:40.000 I don't understand what's going on here.

00:01:42.000 No.

00:01:42.000 Nope.

00:01:43.000 This is going to pick at a larger scab about Andrew's terrible communication internally.

00:01:49.000 So it was just a vibe that I felt this morning.

00:01:56.000 You know, my kids were all still in their jammies, their Christmas jammies.

00:02:00.000 Is it called?

00:02:01.000 Andrew, are you wearing pajamas bottoms right now?

00:02:04.000 Don't tell us.

00:02:05.000 No, I'm wearing jeans.

00:02:07.000 I'm wearing jeans, thankfully.

00:02:09.000 Although, Charlie, two lies in a truth.

00:02:11.000 Charlie used to all Blake can attest, Charlie used to always come into the studio with the, he would have, you know, business on the top and then shorts on the bottom.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, basketball shorts.

00:02:21.000 Yeah.

00:02:21.000 100% true.

00:02:23.000 Yeah, and the long socks because they were good for circulation for talking.

00:02:27.000 Yeah, for the circulation, yeah.

00:02:28.000 They were the vascular.

00:02:29.000 Vascular socks, that's right.

00:02:32.000 I wore those socks on because he advertises so much.

00:02:35.000 I wore them.

00:02:36.000 I think when I had to fly to Korea, it was like a 15-hour flight and I wore them.

00:02:41.000 And I think I was about nine hours in and I just said, I can't take this anymore.

00:02:45.000 And I rolled out.

00:02:48.000 That's good for airplanes, though.

00:02:49.000 No, it is.

00:02:50.000 It's good for airplanes.

00:02:52.000 Listen, so we've got a jam-packed show.

00:02:55.000 We figured, let's just throw the kitchen sink at it today.

00:02:58.000 And we're going to have a lot of guests.

00:02:59.000 So we're starting off with Jack Pasobic, host of Human Events Day.

00:03:02.000 We're going to talk Epstein because with all the craziness around Amfest and just kind of processing Amfest and our straw poll, we have not.

00:03:11.000 I mean, I personally, I have not had a chance to really dive in.

00:03:13.000 So Jack's going to be our expert on that and kind of give us the updates on that.

00:03:18.000 I saw that there's a third tranche of files from the DOJ following the passage of that law.

00:03:23.000 Then we're going to have Sean Davis.

00:03:24.000 He's going to talk about the family business that was on full display at Amfest.

00:03:29.000 And then we've got Stephen Moore, who's going to talk about economics and the great GDP news that came out this morning.

00:03:35.000 And then we're going to finish with Batya Ungar Sargon.

00:03:38.000 She's now a news nation anchor.

00:03:41.000 And I'm going to try and convince her that JD Vance is the man.

00:03:44.000 And she's got her skepticism.

00:03:46.000 So we're going to talk through that.

00:03:47.000 So Jack, without further ado, just 30,000-foot view for us.

00:03:52.000 What's going on with Epstein?

00:03:53.000 How did we get here?

00:03:54.000 What have we learned?

00:03:55.000 Okay, so this is the response to that legislation that was passed by the House a while back.

00:04:01.000 It was a bipartisan piece of legislation regarding the Epstein files, which some of us, like myself, have been calling for since day one of President Trump returning to the White House.

00:04:13.000 And what we've got now are actual files coming out.

00:04:16.000 Now, what we have today, this is there, so there were files released during Amfest because, of course, it couldn't be a turning point event without Epstein files getting released separately.

00:04:26.000 And then now we've got more Epstein files that are being released as part of this tranche.

00:04:32.000 And I believe that one of the things that's going on right now is that a lot of these files that are coming out, these are investigative files.

00:04:38.000 These are things that came up as evidence.

00:04:40.000 And there are a lot of redactions in these, some of which we're told are redactions for victims, on personal information that people don't want out for those who aren't being accused of a crime or people who are, like I said, victims of Epstein and of his network and potentially even underage, depending on who it is.

00:05:01.000 Obviously, we can't tell in many of these cases.

00:05:03.000 But there are so many more files that are coming out.

00:05:08.000 And also that people are saying there have been back and forths of the DOJ.

00:05:13.000 They said, wait a minute, you put some stuff out, then you put out other stuff and redacted.

00:05:16.000 So there are people even, this is a very live situation where people are responding to the DOJ release legally and saying, hey, I want that redacted.

00:05:24.000 Hey, I want that redacted.

00:05:25.000 So that being said, what we do actually have, I'm just going to say it, these photos that are released are absolutely disgusting.

00:05:34.000 They make me sick to my stomach looking at some of these.

00:05:36.000 I talked about this on Newsmax last night.

00:05:41.000 That when there were people, there have been a lot of people.

00:05:43.000 So there's been this narrative that like, okay, Epstein maybe wasn't involved in like really bad stuff and maybe it's all just overblown.

00:05:50.000 No, no, it's actually disgusting.

00:05:52.000 And there's a lot of photos.

00:05:54.000 It just has to be said, truthfully, there are a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton.

00:05:59.000 Bill Clinton in a hot tub, him and Bill Clinton on planes, him and Bill Clinton wearing, you know, matching, matching shirts of some kind at like some kind of party.

00:06:09.000 So again, what you're not finding are images of Donald Trump in a hot tub.

00:06:15.000 And so the Democrats are sitting there going, like, wait, what's, you know, what's happening?

00:06:20.000 Because we were told Trump would be the one in there.

00:06:22.000 And yes, there were some instances where they said, okay, we found some records of Trump flying on the plane.

00:06:28.000 But what was interesting is, of course, not only did they still not find Trump flying, just be truthful, they did not find Trump flying to the island, but Trump was also flying on the plane with his family.

00:06:38.000 So like with his wife and children.

00:06:40.000 So again, like not a situation where we're hopefully anything untoward.

00:06:44.000 Those were mostly in the 90s, right, Jack?

00:06:46.000 So yeah, yeah, this is way, way, way.

00:06:49.000 Like we're talking 30, 30, 40 years ago in some instances, so where it's like just or 30 years ago.

00:06:57.000 So instances where long before any of these, any of his crimes had come to life, long before, and we know the rest of the story, we've been over it so many times where he was evicted from Mar-a-Lago for his behavior.

00:07:09.000 And then Trump actually goes to the lawyers of the victims to say, how can I help you to put this guy away?

00:07:14.000 Because he's a bad guy.

00:07:16.000 And what we're seeing again over and over are pictures of him of Epstein, as well as some emails with Prince, or I should say former Prince Andrew.

00:07:26.000 A fake passport is something that just came out, which is something that's really interesting.

00:07:29.000 I mean, this is happening all live.

00:07:31.000 It was an Austrian passport.

00:07:33.000 Talked about businesses in West Africa and Saudi Arabia.

00:07:37.000 I mean, really, just a lot of just a lot of random things that are coming out like crazy right now.

00:07:44.000 Let's go ahead and get President Trump was asked about this.

00:07:48.000 Let's play 191.

00:07:50.000 I know there are a lot of people that are angry about all of the pictures of other people, you know, but I think it's terrible.

00:07:56.000 Look, no, I don't like the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown.

00:08:00.000 I don't like the pictures of other people being shown.

00:08:02.000 I think it's a terrible thing.

00:08:04.000 I think Bill Clinton's a big boy.

00:08:07.000 He can handle it.

00:08:08.000 But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago.

00:08:16.000 And they're, you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others.

00:08:21.000 And they'll end up because of guys like Massey, who's a real low life.

00:08:26.000 What this whole thing is with Epstein is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous success that the Republican Party has.

00:08:33.000 You know, this feels pretty consistent with Trump's original kind of objection to this.

00:08:39.000 You know, and we have to remember that if they had something on Trump, it would have been weaponized by the Biden administration, you know, 10 times over.

00:08:47.000 So this does actually.

00:08:50.000 If they have something on Clinton, I feel like the Trump admin would probably want to...

00:08:55.000 He has a big, pretty big beef with the Clintons.

00:08:58.000 Well, actually, Trump is saying, listen, I've always gotten along with Bill.

00:09:02.000 He's been good to me.

00:09:03.000 I've been good to him.

00:09:04.000 I actually don't, kind of getting inside the psyche of President Trump, I actually don't think he has like a bone to pick with Bill Clinton per se, maybe Hillary more so.

00:09:15.000 But, yeah, I think Trump knows a lot of these guys, kind of knows the situation that some of the innocent ones are put in.

00:09:23.000 It just feels like he's being consistent.

00:09:25.000 But, you know, the admin was pressured.

00:09:28.000 You know, he takes a shot at Thomas Massey right there to be more transparent.

00:09:32.000 So he's doing what he's got to do politically, but I think he actually seems to be fairly disgusted with the fact that one thing I should mention is there is a very strange letter to Larry Nasser.

00:09:43.000 Larry Nasser, who we know also went to prison and is in prison for these same type of crimes, that Epstein wrote a letter to him saying, as you know by now, I have taken the short route home.

00:09:54.000 Good luck.

00:09:54.000 We shared one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and the hope they'd reach their full potential.

00:10:00.000 And then he also, he makes a lewd reference to Trump, and then he writes, life is unfair.

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00:11:14.000 Blake Neff is threatening to upset everybody in the audience.

00:11:17.000 I don't know if we're ready for that yet, but why don't we just start here?

00:11:23.000 Let's go 199.

00:11:24.000 This is Joe Scarborough on his reaction to the Epstein files.

00:11:28.000 One of the great mysteries to me and a lot of other people is we've had reporting for some time.

00:11:33.000 Donald Trump is not on Epstein's list.

00:11:35.000 There's nothing in there that's really damning about Donald Trump.

00:11:39.000 And as Susie Wilde says, not damning about Donald Trump.

00:11:42.000 Or Bill Clinton.

00:11:45.000 So one of the great mysteries all along in this not been like, what's Donald Trump hiding?

00:11:51.000 What did he do?

00:11:53.000 It's like, why, if he's not in these files, which all the reporting says he's not, why is he so obsessed on blocking access to the files?

00:12:03.000 Is he trying to protect somebody?

00:12:06.000 So, I mean, what do you think, Blake?

00:12:09.000 I guess what I would say is I feel like that's actually the case for a lot of the people in this.

00:12:15.000 I'm seeing the stuff that's going viral.

00:12:17.000 And what a lot of this is, it's photographs of people hanging out, and then they black out the faces.

00:12:24.000 And that's used to create the implication there is a super savage, sinister crime.

00:12:30.000 But what you basically just have is you have Bill Clinton getting photos with people.

00:12:35.000 You have Bill Gates getting photos with people.

00:12:37.000 You have people having photos with Epstein.

00:12:39.000 And I think it gets back to what President Trump said, which I think is reasonable.

00:12:43.000 He's pointed out.

00:12:44.000 A lot of people met Epstein.

00:12:46.000 He was a huge socialite.

00:12:48.000 And when you just release a giant pile of photographs of someone who's become an infamous figure, you basically tar everyone by association.

00:12:59.000 And I guess I would caution everyone to take a step back and think, what do we really have proof of?

00:13:05.000 What has actually been litigated in court?

00:13:07.000 Because, for example, a lot of these cases, when they have gone to court, people have either they've gone to court, like Alan Dershowitz was able to sue Virginia Guffery, and she had to admit she just was lying about him.

00:13:19.000 Or we have cases where a lot of, this has been a funny pattern that's been going on throughout the case this year, where a lot of the victims have just been saying, they've been saying, release the names, release the names, but they won't name names themselves.

00:13:33.000 And I think a justifiable reason for skepticism there is they don't want to name names themselves because they actually don't have evidence and they're basically worried about getting sued for defamation and they wanted others to do the work for them to justify allegations that they could kind of get away with making without being as facing as much risk of actual defamation.

00:13:55.000 It just the whole thing feels very off to me.

00:13:59.000 Jack, you're kind of a contrarian voice in this space a little bit as well. 0.98

00:14:04.000 I mean, where would you put yourself on the spectrum of like he was this mastermind international pedophile ringleader with compromise on the world's leaders versus he was just kind of like a kinky gross disgusting like sex pest that was connected to a few international leaders. 0.99

00:14:24.000 Maybe he was working with the CIA, Mossad, whatever. 0.98

00:14:27.000 There's so many options of what the truth is here.

00:14:30.000 It's hard to make sense of it.

00:14:31.000 Yeah, look, I see what the DOJ is putting out, but I also watch Mike Benz and all the stuff that he's putting out as well.

00:14:38.000 He's very well documented these links between Epstein and intelligence.

00:14:43.000 He talks about his connections to Iran-Contra, his connections to Adnan Khashoggi, the money that was being run around.

00:14:50.000 Yes, that's right.

00:14:51.000 The father of Jamal Khashoggi.

00:14:53.000 And so it's really interesting when you look at some of this stuff and the networks that he was in.

00:14:58.000 And certainly there are questions on to who was running who.

00:15:01.000 Was he an asset?

00:15:02.000 Was he an operative?

00:15:04.000 But I really do think that there's a lot more to this than I think than meets the eye.

00:15:10.000 But when it comes to what Blake is saying, I can appreciate what Blake's saying because when you go to court, you absolutely need evidence and you need to be able to stand these things up on evidence.

00:15:19.000 So what I would also say, though, is if the DOJ has this evidence, then we should put it out or at least make it available to any of the victims should they want to sue.

00:15:28.000 And I believe that a number of the victims are getting restitution from the estate of Epstein and I think they deserve that.

00:15:32.000 But if there are people out there like former Prince Andrew or others who were involved in crimes, then absolutely you have to use the evidence.

00:15:39.000 Like that's the whole point we have the government.

00:15:41.000 That's the whole point we have the Department of Justice.

00:15:43.000 You investigate the crimes.

00:15:44.000 You don't make the victim have to investigate themselves, right?

00:15:47.000 That's the point.

00:15:48.000 That's why we have the government.

00:15:50.000 Jack, one more question here before we got to go.

00:15:53.000 What do you make of this video that was circulating around yesterday?

00:15:56.000 It seemed to show, and the timestamp lined up with his suicide or murder, however you want to look at it, whether it showed him potentially committing suicide.

00:16:05.000 You checked into that, yeah?

00:16:07.000 Yeah, I think that ended up being a recreation that was not an actual video.

00:16:12.000 That was something that possibly was done as a recreation, CGI kind of thing to say, you know, if he did it, here's a way he possibly anatomically could have done it.

00:16:20.000 Possibly something they were looking at during the autopsy.

00:16:23.000 Different things like that can be created when you're ongoing, but I don't think that's it.

00:16:27.000 It was in the DOJ file.

00:16:28.000 It was in the G, you could actually access it online.

00:16:30.000 It was very interesting.

00:16:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:32.000 I guess it was a recreation.

00:16:33.000 Jack Bisobic, thanks for walking us through that.

00:16:36.000 Lots to parse through there.

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00:17:56.000 All right, without further ado, we're going to talk some family business with Sean Davis.

00:18:02.000 He is the right guy to do it because, you know, there's a lot of Johnny come lately's.

00:18:06.000 There's a lot of new blood in the movement, and that's a good thing.

00:18:10.000 But sometimes they don't know how the sausage is made.

00:18:13.000 They don't know how the coalition came together in the first point, in the first part.

00:18:16.000 So, Sean Davis from the Federalists, one of the good guys out there.

00:18:21.000 Man, does he know how to tweak the left?

00:18:23.000 Sean, welcome to the show.

00:18:24.000 Thank you for having me.

00:18:25.000 Merry Christmas.

00:18:26.000 Yeah, well, I tried to get you to go to Amfest, but you were adamant that you had other plans.

00:18:31.000 It's not for me to divulge what you were doing instead of coming to Amfest, but I wanted to get you.

00:18:38.000 I mean, if you want to go there, it's fine with me.

00:18:41.000 But something to do with Bambi, I don't know.

00:18:43.000 But if you were on the outside looking in and Amfest, you got to see all the reactions to it.

00:18:48.000 The reactions of the speeches, to the disagreements, all of these things.

00:18:53.000 I wanted your help to make sense of it, Sean.

00:18:55.000 What do you make of the reactions, both the good and the bad?

00:18:59.000 Yeah, I was up in a tree stand hunting not Bambi, but Bambi's dad last week, which was awesome.

00:19:04.000 Got him.

00:19:06.000 Good for you.

00:19:07.000 I saw the fruits of your labor, and I'm impressed.

00:19:11.000 I'm impressed.

00:19:12.000 They're going to be delicious.

00:19:14.000 I got to tell you, what I've always loved about Amfest, I love the energy.

00:19:18.000 I love the number of people you can get in there.

00:19:21.000 Just like the logistical feat of pulling something like that off, let alone in a year like this, really blows my mind.

00:19:29.000 But the thing that I have always loved about it, about Charlie in particular, and kind of the whole TPUSA vibe is how ecumenical it is.

00:19:38.000 He will have or had people all the time where I was like, yeah, I don't really like that guy.

00:19:42.000 And then there would be people who would be like, oh, yeah, that guy's awesome.

00:19:45.000 And I think that's kind of what makes the movement great is that we don't have to always agree on everything all the time for the same reasons.

00:19:53.000 And so I like having the people up there who can disagree, who can do it respectfully, because the whole point here is to build a coalition that can win elections and then do what needs to be done to save our country.

00:20:04.000 So that's what I loved about Amphest this year, in particular, after everything that's happened, is it would have been easy to just retreat in on yourself and become very kind of self-referential and self-focused.

00:20:16.000 And instead, the focus stayed on the country and the movement and everyone who's within it, even the people I don't agree with all the time.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, well said.

00:20:25.000 I mean, and Blake, I want to bring you in for this as well.

00:20:28.000 I mean, there just seems to be, though, this, there's a rising tide of voices that are calling for denouncing certain voice other people.

00:20:37.000 They want to see the disavow very publicly.

00:20:39.000 They want to see, you know, it just seems like we hadn't been in that posture.

00:20:46.000 You hadn't heard as much of that tone.

00:20:47.000 And all of a sudden, there's a lot of voices saying, we got to disavow this.

00:20:52.000 We got to say this.

00:20:53.000 We got to block this.

00:20:54.000 And I think a lot of it is a proxy war with JD ahead of 2028.

00:20:59.000 But I'll leave it to you guys.

00:21:00.000 Blake, you first.

00:21:02.000 What do you make of this?

00:21:03.000 I mean, because you have a little bit of sympathy, I think, for that as well.

00:21:07.000 But you're much more reserved and restrained.

00:21:10.000 Well, I think you have to divorce, I think, demands that you disavow, that you exclude someone aggressively.

00:21:21.000 We know how Charlie had a lot of resistance to that.

00:21:23.000 Understandably so.

00:21:24.000 He hated what he called moral blackmail.

00:21:27.000 That was the line he used.

00:21:29.000 But I don't think we saw too much of that.

00:21:32.000 I think we saw a lot of people trying to characterize it that way.

00:21:34.000 But I think what we saw was you saw an aggressive posture about what we should be talking about, what we should care about most, what is good or bad behavior.

00:21:50.000 I think, you know, let's just say the elephant in the room.

00:21:54.000 A lot of people are reacting specifically to what Ben Shapiro said immediately after Erica spoke.

00:22:01.000 And I don't think Ben was saying we need to aggressively cancel people.

00:22:07.000 I think he was saying he was disappointed in how a lot of people had handled certain topics.

00:22:16.000 And I think in response to that, many people said, oh, he's trying to cancel us.

00:22:21.000 I think Ben was going about it in the way Ben does.

00:22:23.000 Ben is a very blunt guy.

00:22:25.000 He's going to say exactly what he means and exactly what he's angry about.

00:22:29.000 And I think that's going to, some people are going to really like that.

00:22:32.000 Some people are going to find it really irritating.

00:22:34.000 And that's just, that's part of his brand.

00:22:35.000 That's been his brand for a decade.

00:22:38.000 But I think on the ground among attendees, we saw a lot of people who, frankly, they enjoyed what Ben said and what Megan said, what Tucker said.

00:22:48.000 And I think that's really how a lot of the base feels.

00:22:51.000 I think the people who are getting angry enough to boot others out are kind of a pretty small slice of the coalition overall.

00:23:00.000 Yeah, and they're loud online, though, right, Sean?

00:23:02.000 I mean, that's why I wanted to get your perspective in.

00:23:04.000 Because to Blake's point, there was people in the audience who were like, what are we fighting about?

00:23:09.000 People had no idea that there was a kind of a family business fight happening, right?

00:23:17.000 And then you had people that were like, we actually did a show of hands in our members podcast room.

00:23:24.000 And we said, who likes Ben's approach?

00:23:27.000 And about half the hands went up.

00:23:28.000 And then we're like, who likes Tucker's approach?

00:23:30.000 About half the hands went up.

00:23:31.000 So it was like, it was a very mixed crowd, a very mixed reception to that.

00:23:36.000 And to Blake's point, I didn't hear Ben saying we need to cancel people.

00:23:39.000 Ben was just saying, you know, here are my lines.

00:23:42.000 Here are my lines in the sand.

00:23:44.000 You know, take them or leave them.

00:23:45.000 And, you know, he wasn't calling us to cancel people either.

00:23:48.000 He was just sort of festivist for the rest of us.

00:23:51.000 He was airing his grievances in a public place.

00:23:54.000 And, you know, that was his.

00:23:55.000 Charlie would have brought that for sure.

00:23:57.000 Yeah, we don't tell anybody what to say, actually, at these things.

00:24:01.000 So you from the outside, but there is this loud contingent on X and other forums that are saying it's time to sort of excommunicate this or that or this person or that person.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, and I mean, that's to be expected online.

00:24:14.000 This is politics, and politics is all about getting your way so that someone else who you disagree with can't get their way.

00:24:20.000 So like, that's, it's just kind of part and parcel of how politics works.

00:24:25.000 Again, what I have always liked is the ecumenicalism of TPOSA and the movement in general.

00:24:30.000 And like my personal philosophy on this is if you're within the movement, define it as loosely as you like.

00:24:37.000 If you're putting points on the board, if you are bringing people to the table and you're moving the ball where we need to go, I'm good with you, even if I might disagree with you on a whole bunch of stuff.

00:24:46.000 And that goes for Tucker and Megan and you and Ben Shapiro and Nikki Minaj or anyone else.

00:24:52.000 If you are rowing with us and you're not actively trying to hurt the movement and hurt the country, there's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement.

00:25:03.000 And so I think it's good to have that.

00:25:05.000 And the other thing to recognize is we're never going to agree with everyone all the time.

00:25:09.000 I don't agree with my wife on everything all the time.

00:25:11.000 I don't agree with my kids on everything all the time.

00:25:14.000 I have debates in my own head with myself on issues back and forth.

00:25:17.000 So like it's hard to get full agreement with people you know and love and care about a trillion percent.

00:25:24.000 Imagine how much more difficult it is going to be to agree with everyone all the time, people who you don't know with different backgrounds and different priorities.

00:25:32.000 And then you talk about kind of like the online nature, and there really is such a big divide.

00:25:38.000 If you live your entire life on the internet with the screen in front of you, you are going to have a very different perspective of where the country is than if you don't do that.

00:25:47.000 And it obviously, you know, Twitter or X isn't real life, but it can be reflective of it.

00:25:52.000 So I don't want to dismiss the online debates because they're important and they do mean something and they represent real people.

00:25:59.000 But it's really important to be out there talking to normal people, talking to people who are not online, who are not political obsessives, because as much as it may pain people like us to hear we are political obsessives, most people are not like us.

00:26:12.000 They don't look at the world through the lens that we look through it.

00:26:16.000 And so it's just great to have 30,000 people, especially young people, who are forming their own worldview and their own opinions and getting their perspective.

00:26:25.000 And when they are out there saying the people who are there, yeah, yeah, half of us liked it and half of us didn't.

00:26:30.000 That seems to me like you've struck a pretty good balance on how to represent the whole of the movement.

00:26:35.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's, and you're echoing so much of what JD said in his speech.

00:26:40.000 You know, let's go ahead and play some sound from him.

00:26:44.000 125.

00:26:45.000 All of you, each and every one, President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics by running his supporters through endless self-defeating purity tests.

00:26:58.000 He says, make America great again because every American is invited.

00:27:10.000 We don't care if you're white or black, rich or poor, young or old. 0.96

00:27:18.000 And he keeps going on, right?

00:27:20.000 He made this point a lot of times.

00:27:22.000 And it's not that he didn't put boundaries in the speech.

00:27:25.000 I mean, he basically condemned anti-Semitism.

00:27:28.000 He condemned racism, anti-white racism, anti-Asian racism, and lifted up merit, merit, merit, merit.

00:27:36.000 I sort of just wonder if people, you know, if he didn't straight up say, I condemn Nick Fuentes in this speech, I wonder if anybody would have been like, that crowd would have been happy.

00:27:47.000 You know, he didn't have to say some people's names, which he then did condemn him by name the next day.

00:27:54.000 Yeah, I mean, because he came after his wife, right?

00:27:56.000 So JD put a big line in the sand on that front.

00:28:00.000 But like, listen, I think the message was clear.

00:28:03.000 I think 90% of people heard it, but I think there's a loud minority online that is just not going to be happy until, you know, everybody's getting like, you know, going full Ben Shapiro and taking a howitzer to everybody else in the movement.

00:28:18.000 Yeah, so I think it's when people are doing that, they are pretending to be mad at him about one thing when they're actually mad about another thing.

00:28:26.000 And with JD, foreign policy is the main thing.

00:28:30.000 JD is not an interventionist.

00:28:32.000 He's not a neocon.

00:28:34.000 He's very much a realist and someone who, having been involved in America's wars personally, understands that, you know, we need to be a lot more circumspect about how we get in.

00:28:43.000 And so when people go after him, it's really a proxy battle over foreign policy.

00:28:47.000 And I think a lot of people, honestly, I wish they were just more honest about what the real issue is rather than trying to pretend it's something else.

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00:30:05.000 All right, we have some serious things to talk about right now, Blake and Sean.

00:30:10.000 The question before you, what is your favorite Christmas movie?

00:30:14.000 And is Die Hard a Christmas movie?

00:30:16.000 The eternal debate.

00:30:18.000 Let's let Sean go first.

00:30:20.000 So I, for nostalgia's sake, I love a Christmas story.

00:30:24.000 My kids hate it.

00:30:25.000 I love it.

00:30:25.000 It's what I grew up watching.

00:30:26.000 I will say, no, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.

00:30:29.000 And the thing that perplexes me to this day.

00:30:33.000 What are they doing having a work party on Christmas Eve?

00:30:36.000 That's crazy.

00:30:37.000 Crazy.

00:30:37.000 It was a Christmas party.

00:30:38.000 It was their Christmas party for the office.

00:30:40.000 But yeah, it was way too late.

00:30:41.000 It is too late.

00:30:42.000 My favorite Christmas movie.

00:30:45.000 First, I'll say, Die Hard, definitely not a Christmas movie.

00:30:47.000 It came out in the summer.

00:30:48.000 It's just a movie set during Christmas that is not the same.

00:30:53.000 And then I would say my favorite, you know, you don't hear about it as much.

00:30:58.000 I think I might fall back on Home Alone.

00:31:00.000 Home Alone is a really good movie.

00:31:02.000 It's got really good Christmas themes, not just the funny stuff.

00:31:04.000 It's very good.

00:31:05.000 The stuff with the man with his daughter, his estranged son.

00:31:08.000 That stuff is really beautiful to watch as an adult.

00:31:10.000 I didn't appreciate it as much as a kid.

00:31:12.000 I really love that stuff.

00:31:13.000 I should watch it again this Christmas.

00:31:15.000 I have my The Dude Abides Christmas sweater.

00:31:18.000 Yes, that is the dude from Big Lebowski.

00:31:21.000 You can judge me all you want, but the dude abides.

00:31:25.000 Yes, Die Hard is a Christmas movie.

00:31:27.000 Yes, it was released in the summer, but it was set on Christmas Eve, man.

00:31:32.000 It's like it's perfectly situated.

00:31:35.000 It lives eternally.

00:31:36.000 This is why every Christmas it's on the Christmas watch list.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, that's in the streaming.

00:31:41.000 No, this is like a Gen X irony thing.

00:31:44.000 Like, it's funny to go, haha.

00:31:46.000 It's set during Christmas.

00:31:47.000 It's technically a Christmas movie, but it's just, it is a movie set during Christmas.

00:31:50.000 It doesn't have any Christmas themes about the family or the birthday.

00:31:54.000 Family Christmas.

00:31:56.000 He's reuniting with his wife.

00:31:57.000 I mean, like, you're killing bad.

00:31:59.000 You're in an action movie way.

00:32:01.000 Like, the lesson of diehard is then, like, you can... 1.00

00:32:04.000 You can, like, get back with your wife by killing a bunch of terrorists. 0.99

00:32:08.000 It's not like everyone knows that. 1.00

00:32:10.000 You know, getting over your hang-ups or something.

00:32:13.000 Oh, my God.

00:32:14.000 Well, listen, although I got to take Isshya.

00:32:15.000 Denver Studio agrees with me.

00:32:17.000 And yeah, Poso's chiming in, too.

00:32:20.000 He says, The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is a Christmas movie.

00:32:23.000 I got to take Issues Blake on the irony thing.

00:32:26.000 That's a millennial affectation. 0.75

00:32:28.000 Gen X doesn't do faux irony.

00:32:31.000 That's very much a millennial thing.

00:32:34.000 How dare you?

00:32:34.000 I think you might be right here.

00:32:37.000 But my favorite Christmas movie is absolutely 100%.

00:32:41.000 It's a wonderful life.

00:32:43.000 And I love like the 1980s, what is it, 1983 Christmas Carol or something?

00:32:49.000 I forget which, I forget, I just, I know we have it on the, the, we bought it, so we watch it.

00:32:54.000 I forget which one it is, but it was like the 1980s one.

00:32:58.000 And my daughter actually loves it, and she's seven.

00:33:01.000 And it's, so I like watching it with her.

00:33:03.000 That's my whole plan.

00:33:04.000 Everybody's like, what are you doing this Christmas?

00:33:06.000 I'm watching Christmas movies.

00:33:08.000 Soon as I'm done today, I'm clocking out, turning the phone off.

00:33:11.000 We're doing hot cocoa and pajamas, and we're watching Christmas movies.

00:33:16.000 I plan to gain at least four pounds.

00:33:19.000 Hot cocoa to insulate yourself from the cold 65-degree winds of Santa Barbara.

00:33:26.000 Yeah, well, listen, I'm trying to stay warm.

00:33:30.000 I will tell you.

00:33:31.000 So, hey, Sean, let me know what you think here.

00:33:36.000 So, I think a lot of these battles, just sorry, I've got to make it serious for the last three minutes we have here.

00:33:42.000 A lot of these battles are just a proxy about foreign policy.

00:33:44.000 Why is that issue in particular?

00:33:46.000 Is it just because of the military-industrial complex?

00:33:48.000 Is it because there's so much money involved?

00:33:50.000 It's like, you know, people's tribalism on display.

00:33:54.000 What drives the foreign policy debate when we have a whole country to govern?

00:33:57.000 Why is that always such a big deal?

00:33:59.000 Yeah, such a good question.

00:34:01.000 Obviously, I think the money involved is a big thing.

00:34:03.000 You know, how many trillions of dollars did we spend in Iraq and Afghanistan?

00:34:08.000 And then when those were finally wound down, it magically was transferred to like half a trillion dollars to Ukraine.

00:34:15.000 Now we're suddenly talking about maybe regime change in Venezuela, which obviously would be a terrible idea.

00:34:20.000 So, money is a huge thing.

00:34:22.000 I also think there is a very large, I don't want to say it's totally moral blackmail, but people really enjoy patting themselves on the back for being compassionate and willing to spend other people's lives and other people's money to do things which they think are morally right to do.

00:34:40.000 It's kind of the COVID nannying, but taken to a foreign policy extent.

00:34:46.000 Oh, I'm not doing this to help myself.

00:34:47.000 I'm trying to keep you safe.

00:34:49.000 I think there is a large segment of people who really, really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it, almost like the stolen moral valor aspect of it.

00:34:59.000 So, I think it's that plus the money.

00:35:03.000 And then also, there are people who just genuinely think we need to be involved everywhere.

00:35:07.000 Why are we big and powerful?

00:35:08.000 And why did we have this role if we're not just going to go be the world police?

00:35:11.000 I think there are people who legitimately believe that.

00:35:14.000 Yeah, and you know, Charlie used to rail against people being fixated and fascinated about foreign abstractions.

00:35:21.000 It's somehow, I think, honestly, when you get into a position of power or political office, it's easier to sort of think about others far and away and ignore the problems right at your doorstep because those are harder and might reflect poorly on your own self.

00:35:36.000 So Blake, take us home.

00:35:37.000 Yeah, I think Sean's exactly right.

00:35:41.000 People do get they get fixated on these big abstract things.

00:35:46.000 I think honestly, it's almost, I think it's a lot of people who get into politics and get into government are kind of nerds and dorks and they remember being kids and they liked the idea, oh, I'm moving these like big, I can move these armies.

00:36:01.000 It'd be so cool if I was Alexander the Great.

00:36:03.000 It'd be so cool if I was Napoleon.

00:36:06.000 And then they get into government and they kind of get to fill these fantasies.

00:36:12.000 That sounds like the wrong word.

00:36:13.000 Like a godlike complex one that comes to mind.

00:36:15.000 Yeah, God complex or just self-importance, a lot of self-importance.

00:36:19.000 And you certainly see that in DC all the time.

00:36:22.000 And it's really annoying.

00:36:23.000 And it persists forever.

00:36:25.000 This Christmas season, we remember that Jesus came to earth.

00:36:29.000 He's God and we are not him.

00:36:31.000 So that's our message to all the godlike complex folks.

00:36:34.000 Thanks, Sean.

00:36:35.000 We'll see you soon.

00:36:35.000 Merry Christmas.

00:36:36.000 Merry Christmas.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 23, 2025

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