The Charlie Kirk Show - The Exorcist Files with Fr. Carlos Martins and Ryan Bethea

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, an entire hour with an exorcist.

00:00:04.000 Father Carlos Martins joins us and walks us through what he has seen as an exorcist.

00:00:09.000 Ryan Bethay also joins us, who's the producer of the new podcast called The Exorcist Files.

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00:01:20.000 With us is Father Carlos Martins, as well as Ryan Bethay.

00:01:25.000 Welcome to both of you.

00:01:27.000 Now, Ryan, that's how you say your last name, right?

00:01:29.000 It's Bethay or Bethea.

00:01:31.000 Well done.

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00:01:36.000 I've only known you for eight years.

00:01:37.000 So I'm glad I can say the last name correctly.

00:01:41.000 Welcome to you both.

00:01:42.000 This is a heavy topic, and I mean that in the best possible way.

00:01:46.000 I do want to begin our conversation with playing the cut to the trailer of your upcoming film or the podcast product, I should say, The Exorcist Files.

00:01:55.000 Let's play Cut 75.

00:01:58.000 What Hollywood portrayed in the movie The Exorcist was levitations, vomiting, spitting at the priest with an uncanny marksmanship.

00:02:06.000 All of that has not been a movie for me.

00:02:09.000 I have seen that firsthand.

00:02:10.000 My name is Father Carlos Martins.

00:02:13.000 I am a priest of the Catholic Church.

00:02:15.000 I was an atheist until as a young adult, the Lord brought me out of darkness.

00:02:19.000 And since then, I've been living in his love.

00:02:25.000 But I've also seen things, very evil things, things that I wish weren't true.

00:02:32.000 The job of the exorcist, properly speaking, is not to cast out the devil.

00:02:36.000 The job of the exorcist is to find out why is the devil there.

00:02:40.000 What rights has the demon gained?

00:02:43.000 What doorway has he entered through?

00:02:50.000 This is the first time I've opened my files about these battles to the public.

00:02:57.000 Wow.

00:02:58.000 Father, welcome.

00:02:59.000 Please introduce yourself to our audience, and we're going to go into this in great detail.

00:03:04.000 The floor is yours.

00:03:05.000 Sure.

00:03:06.000 Good to be here, Charlie.

00:03:07.000 I am Father Carlos Martins.

00:03:09.000 I am the priest that was featured on that clip just now.

00:03:12.000 So walk us through.

00:03:13.000 You said you started as an atheist and now you are a priest.

00:03:16.000 Tell us about that.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, so I converted midway through my undergraduate degree when I was in college.

00:03:25.000 I was taken with the witness of a group of, a very small group of faithful Christian students and a couple of professors and an experience of the Lord very dramatically and became a believer.

00:03:44.000 And then some years after that, I sensed a call to the priesthood.

00:03:48.000 From the beginning of that call, I was placed within exorcisms By exorcists, as starting out as their assistants and then kind of taking over.

00:04:03.000 And so I've been working that for the better part of 20 years.

00:04:08.000 Wow.

00:04:09.000 I have several questions, and we are going to get to that.

00:04:12.000 Ryan, you first told me about this project years ago, and you're a serious Christian, and you and I both know plenty of secularists and secular materialists and atheists.

00:04:22.000 And your approach was unusual, but quite honestly, very profound.

00:04:26.000 Where you said a backdoor way to prove that there is an invisible dimension, that there is something beyond just our five senses, might actually be to talk about people who deal in the darkest elements of our existence, also known as exorcism or exorcist or exorcism.

00:04:42.000 Walk us through that, Ryan.

00:04:44.000 Yeah, so I mean, you know, obviously, when we did this, I tried to take a very journalistic approach to this.

00:04:49.000 And, you know, obviously, when I was offered an introduction to meet Father Martins, there's a natural fascination that comes up with this topic.

00:04:56.000 But I do think it's better for everyone if we're able to actually, you know, look for stories that suggest that we are more than just, you know, flesh and body.

00:05:07.000 And there's a soul aspect to humanity.

00:05:10.000 And what makes me fascinated with this topic is to explore these stories.

00:05:14.000 And you'll find that there's, regardless of whether one believes the claims that we have in this show, the fact is, a vast majority of people, in fact, I think roughly 45% of Americans say they believe in ghosts in general.

00:05:27.000 So I think this will ring true to a lot of folks.

00:05:30.000 But overall, I just think it's a really important way for us to tell stories that suggest that there is something else going on.

00:05:37.000 I actually joke and I say, look, I'm 90% sure I think I know what's going on, but the reality is when you hear stories like this, you realize there is a lot going on beneath the surface that we have no idea about.

00:05:48.000 And these stories are just, I mean, nothing has prepared me for when I first met Father and he told me these stories in a monastery in Detroit.

00:05:56.000 I didn't know how to react to it.

00:05:58.000 So it was, I'm hoping other people will have, regardless of your beliefs, I think you will find these stories chilling and also edifying in the sense that they all, for the most part, end pretty well.

00:06:08.000 People find freedom and liberation here.

00:06:10.000 So, Father Carlos, an initial question I have before we dive into the specifics is: from my understanding, it's unusual for someone who's involved in exorcisms to publicly declare they're involved in exorcisms.

00:06:22.000 From what I was told once by a priest, is that they usually don't advertise that because you never know kind of who's going to show up and ask.

00:06:28.000 Is that correct?

00:06:29.000 Oh, sure.

00:06:30.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:32.000 And why would a priest not do that?

00:06:35.000 Because then your door is advertised, so to speak, and you get every kind of human being coming to your doors.

00:06:43.000 You know, my cat gets the flu seven times per year.

00:06:47.000 I know it's the devil, Father.

00:06:49.000 Can you take the devil out of my cat? 0.96

00:06:53.000 And then everything else, you know, people with mental illness.

00:06:55.000 And, you know, that people with mental illness, they suffer a lot.

00:06:59.000 And, you know, God bless them.

00:07:03.000 They're in agony.

00:07:05.000 And the thought and their mental illness can impress itself upon them that it feels like a religious experience.

00:07:13.000 It feels like something negative.

00:07:15.000 It feels like something spiritual.

00:07:18.000 And that happens a lot.

00:07:20.000 And so for them, the fact that, okay, here's an exorcist, he can heal me.

00:07:27.000 He can cure me.

00:07:29.000 He can drive whatever is in me is out.

00:07:31.000 That it's a great, it's a great hope or great temptation to believe in that as kind of a, you know, like I can go in for a session two hours later.

00:07:41.000 I'm kind of home free.

00:07:45.000 So for these reasons and for others, exorcists don't typically advertise their identity.

00:07:50.000 Why am I doing so now?

00:07:53.000 Because I think We're getting worse in Western society.

00:07:59.000 There's a de-Christianization within the values of Western society, and we're embracing something that is really dark.

00:08:08.000 And the value of the human person is while the human person is being devalued.

00:08:15.000 And so we have to approach things differently.

00:08:19.000 And so I thought, you know, I think with the experiences that I've had, they can benefit more than just people who come to me specifically for exorcism, that this can be a way to approach people about the reality of the divine, but a reality also of God's enemy who is out there and who is very active.

00:08:40.000 So, Ryan, explain to us the media delivery platform that this is going to be on.

00:08:44.000 Podcast, it was a video trailer.

00:08:47.000 So, yeah, so walk our audience through that.

00:08:49.000 Yeah, we cut the trailer for TikTok and to take advantage of visuals.

00:08:52.000 So, it's actually, it's a podcast, but it's a 3D binaural podcast.

00:08:57.000 Which makes this different is that we used a 3D mic to actually go out in the field and actually pick up every acoustic nuance there is.

00:09:04.000 Father and I and our other producers felt that to really help bring this subject home, it would be important for people to get a sense of the reality of this.

00:09:13.000 So, you will be taken auditorily into the room and using this 3D mic, you will experience 3D surround sound.

00:09:19.000 So, it's a podcast on every platform.

00:09:22.000 Super quick, without burying the lead, do you guys actually go to an exorcism?

00:09:26.000 No, okay.

00:09:28.000 We don't go.

00:09:29.000 Father has plenty of stories, and exorcism very private, very serious.

00:09:33.000 And since you will not be able to partake in actually experiencing one, nor should you necessarily want to, you will actually, though, get a sense of these real stories.

00:09:40.000 Father narrates each story.

00:09:42.000 These are first-hand accounts from his case files that are then brought to life with these 3D reenactments.

00:09:47.000 Father Carlos, I want you to explain to our audience what you believe happens when an unclean spirit or a demon begins to possess a human form in your theological view and metaphysical view.

00:10:04.000 Walk us through that.

00:10:07.000 Yeah, sure.

00:10:08.000 So, when a demon inhabits a person and they inhabit really for two reasons: one, they hate man, they hate human beings, and we are beloved by God.

00:10:23.000 Anything that God loves, they detest.

00:10:25.000 And so, they want to prove God wrong by making his creature suffer.

00:10:30.000 So, they will work to bring affliction to make the person who is normally free unfree.

00:10:40.000 And secondly, they do it because it brings them some measure of comfort and solace.

00:10:48.000 So, the world, the demonic world is a world that is painful.

00:10:54.000 They are constantly suffering.

00:10:56.000 When they inhabit, there's a certain measure of relief that they get.

00:11:03.000 And we hear that from the Lord in the gospel when he says when a demon leaves somebody, he wanders through arid wastelands, or another translation could be deserts, seeking comfort but finding none.

00:11:18.000 And then he will always try to go back to where he came.

00:11:22.000 And so, that tells us there's a measure of alleviation in terms of suffering that they get when they inhabit a person.

00:11:29.000 So, those are the two kinds of motives.

00:11:33.000 When somebody is inhabited, they are unfree.

00:11:38.000 They, you know, when somebody is possessed, there are two souls, if you will, two spirits inhabiting one body.

00:11:47.000 I mean, at least two, because it's possible to be possessed by more than one spirit.

00:11:52.000 And so what you have is a fight for the controls.

00:11:56.000 And the demons being more powerful than a human person is, when they decide to exert that, then the human being doesn't stand a chance.

00:12:05.000 And so you have a state of possession.

00:12:09.000 And so does a demon need to be invited in?

00:12:14.000 Well, it does, but he doesn't need an explicit invitation.

00:12:18.000 What he needs is a doorway.

00:12:20.000 And in terms of a doorway, sin is the most obvious one.

00:12:25.000 And in terms of sin, the sins that violate the first commandment, the sovereignty of God.

00:12:32.000 So using the occult, for example, that would be the most common doorway along with sexual sins.

00:12:40.000 So those two doorways are the most common.

00:12:44.000 So one doesn't, you know, nobody wakes up in the morning and sets out, you know, hey, I'm going to go, I'm going to try to pick up three demons today.

00:12:51.000 But through their activity, they're giving demons jurisdiction because they're not placing God, who is the reason for our existence, at the center of their lives.

00:13:03.000 And so then once that portal or that doorway is opened, then they might unwittingly be captured by that unclean spirit.

00:13:14.000 Ryan, about a minute and a half in this segment, what did you learn on that particular topic we're focusing on through this process that will be illuminating for our audience?

00:13:25.000 I think it'll, rather than illuminating, I think it'll be frustrating.

00:13:28.000 One of the things you'll find is that, you know, if this is all true, if there is a sovereign God who is somehow orchestrating these events, that you will find that some people engage in activities, which you might think are completely invitational to these spirits and these events and nothing will happen.

00:13:46.000 And others will have things that would seem to be rather minor transgressions and can lead to this.

00:13:52.000 So I think one of the mysteries that people have to wrestle with is that you can't predict this.

00:13:57.000 There's definitely things you want to avoid based on this.

00:13:59.000 I would say, you know, after listening to this, you might rethink some certain things.

00:14:03.000 But overall, what certain things?

00:14:06.000 For example, Father said, you're talking about the occult.

00:14:08.000 There are particular board games that are designed to invoke spirits.

00:14:11.000 And perhaps you would choose to play Shoots and Ladders or Monopoly in lieu of occult invitational games.

00:14:16.000 That would be a primary recommendation I would have after the number of stories that have come from deliberate invitations of spirits via board games and activities.

00:14:26.000 I would set those aside and I wouldn't dabble with that anymore.

00:14:28.000 Yeah, Ouija boards being obviously one of the more popularized versions of that.

00:14:34.000 But unfortunately, the Tarot cards too.

00:14:36.000 I mean, I know very little about this, but I'm just speaking off the top of my head that I can imagine.

00:14:40.000 And I wonder if I'd love your thoughts of this.

00:14:42.000 Psychedelics are also potential portals. 0.63

00:14:44.000 I don't know if that's, if you find that to be true or not, Father, but that would be.

00:14:48.000 Absolutely.

00:14:49.000 Absolutely.

00:14:49.000 Oh, you do.

00:14:50.000 Even Reiki treatments at your local spa.

00:14:53.000 You know, Reiki purports to raise one's energy level by a practitioner who's been trained to do so.

00:14:59.000 Well, what you're talking about there is an occult activity.

00:15:02.000 You know, you're not talking about something that has its basis in medical science or in therapeutic science.

00:15:09.000 Like therapeutic massage is good for the body, you know, rubbing a sore muscle.

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00:16:24.000 So, Father Carlos, give us an example or a story that you are comfortable sharing of someone that was possessed.

00:16:33.000 And as you're comfortable, give us one of those stories.

00:16:37.000 Yeah, sure.

00:16:38.000 So, there was a gentleman one time who had a he came to see me.

00:16:46.000 He had experienced a debilitating depression for months.

00:16:51.000 He had been a successful entrepreneur at the same time.

00:16:54.000 He was getting a graphic arts degree, very, very successful, just was at the top of the world.

00:17:01.000 And all of a sudden, kind of out of nowhere, a debilitating depression hit him.

00:17:07.000 He became a recluse.

00:17:09.000 He stopped being able to return his clients' calls, just didn't have the energy to do so, stopped eating, wouldn't answer the phone, had lost somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 pounds.

00:17:22.000 And so, finally, somebody had told him to come and see me.

00:17:27.000 And so, he made an appointment.

00:17:29.000 And when he came in, he moved as slowly as somebody who would be 98 years old.

00:17:36.000 And he sat down, and you could just see he was just wearied to death.

00:17:41.000 And I started talking to him and asking, you know, when did these symptoms begin?

00:17:47.000 And he could trace them back.

00:17:48.000 This was about April or May.

00:17:51.000 And he traced them back to it was the week following Labor Day.

00:17:57.000 And I said, okay, well, what were you doing on Labor Day?

00:18:01.000 And he had signed out a beach house, spent the weekend at the beach house with a lady that he met just the day before.

00:18:10.000 So they met up.

00:18:13.000 They spent the weekend together.

00:18:14.000 And so the next question that I asked is, well, were you sexually intimate with one another?

00:18:19.000 And he said, yeah.

00:18:21.000 And so after that encounter, after that weekend, did you ever see her again?

00:18:24.000 He said, no.

00:18:26.000 Not been able to reach her, but I never wanted to reach her either because I just didn't have the energy to do so.

00:18:33.000 And so what happened at that point is, and there's no other explanation other than this, he had a sexual encounter with her.

00:18:42.000 And the sexual dynamic in God's plan is the way by which two people become one.

00:18:48.000 We hear that in Genesis, the two become one flesh.

00:18:51.000 That's repeated in the New Testament. 0.96

00:18:54.000 And Paul, in fact, goes a step further and he says, those who go visit a prostitute are bonding with the prostitute and whatever is inside that prostitute.

00:19:07.000 And so what happened there was a transference of spirits. 0.60

00:19:12.000 And so he was incredulous about this because he had been sexually active all of his adult life and nothing had ever happened.

00:19:22.000 And this becomes the most difficult thing to convince people about.

00:19:26.000 You know, like, hey, you know, I've done syn X or Act X many different times and nothing has happened.

00:19:36.000 And all of a sudden, for this time, something did.

00:19:40.000 So your explanation, Father, can't be the right one.

00:19:43.000 And my analogy for that is, you know, you can leave and go away on a vacation on a holiday and you can leave all the doors and windows of your house open and you come back and, you know, your house is fine.

00:19:55.000 But you can come back one time and there's a family of raccoons living in your house.

00:20:00.000 And now good luck at trying to get them out, right?

00:20:03.000 They are not going to appreciate you coming at them and shooing them out of what they have made their home.

00:20:10.000 And so that's the same thing happens in the spiritual realm.

00:20:15.000 And, you know, sadly with this individual, it took a long time to convince him of the truth of it.

00:20:20.000 And finally, what convinced him was the fact that every time I began to pray over him, he would lose consciousness.

00:20:30.000 So he couldn't recall.

00:20:32.000 He couldn't any of our encounters, there was just a gap in his mind.

00:20:36.000 And that's what possession is.

00:20:39.000 When a demon possesses, he's taking over the controls.

00:20:43.000 And so the human is pushed aside.

00:20:46.000 And he is no one, with very, very few exceptions, no one who is possessed remembers the encounter of the possession because that consciousness is taken over.

00:21:00.000 How were you able to successfully deliver him from that possession?

00:21:06.000 Well, so I'm not the one that delivers.

00:21:10.000 It's the victim that delivers himself with God's power.

00:21:13.000 So the job of the exorcist, and I repeat this over and over again, I'm famous for these lines.

00:21:20.000 People finish my sentence for me.

00:21:23.000 The job of the exorcist is not to cast out the devil.

00:21:26.000 The job of the exorcist is to find out why is the devil there?

00:21:29.000 What rights has he gained?

00:21:31.000 And then his job is to help the victim rescind those rights.

00:21:37.000 And so what I did was I got him to repent of his action, but even that in and of itself is not sufficient.

00:21:44.000 The evil spirit has to be replaced with another spirit, with God.

00:21:49.000 Otherwise, what you have is just a vacuum.

00:21:52.000 You haven't filled in the gaps with what ought to be there.

00:21:57.000 And so that just leaves an opportunity for the demon to come back and reinfect down the road.

00:22:03.000 And sadly for this individual, that did happen.

00:22:09.000 So the process of his liberation lasted for the better part of two years.

00:22:13.000 He was repossessed twice.

00:22:17.000 But in the end, it was part of God's plan because through those repossessions, he came to understand and slowly come to a belief, you know, this priest might in fact be right.

00:22:30.000 And so I'm going to try to do things his way exactly the way that he's saying so.

00:22:35.000 And when he did that, he achieved a permanent liberation.

00:22:38.000 He was never possessed.

00:22:40.000 And then he came into his faith and, in fact, became a youth minister at a church he began to attend.

00:22:47.000 And from up to that point, he didn't practice any kind of faith at all.

00:22:52.000 He was never raised with any kind of faith.

00:22:55.000 And so, you know, he was living, this person was living the ethic that he was taught and the ethic given to him by his parents and by the world that, hey, you know, he didn't consider himself a bad person.

00:23:09.000 And by the standards of the world, he wasn't.

00:23:11.000 He wasn't a bad person.

00:23:12.000 He wasn't hurting anybody.

00:23:13.000 He wasn't murdering anybody.

00:23:15.000 He wasn't stealing.

00:23:16.000 In fact, he was an entrepreneur.

00:23:18.000 He was contributing to society.

00:23:20.000 However, he got ensnared.

00:23:24.000 He opened a door to the demonic world and the demonic world pounced on that door.

00:23:30.000 And so until that door was closed and then the inside, until the habitation was filled with God, then he wasn't fully free.

00:23:41.000 So, Ryan, what other stories stuck out to you as you did this?

00:23:46.000 I'm sure that's one of many.

00:23:48.000 Well, as a savvy marketer, I will, of course, encourage listeners to download all of them for all the cases.

00:23:54.000 But look, the fact is, we try to create something that is ecumenical in the sense that a lot of people will enjoy this.

00:24:01.000 And if you're a fan of the conjuring or just the horror genre and you are interested in the manifestations, Father routinely is asked how accurate is the film The Exorcist.

00:24:10.000 And he will say that many of the things you witness in that are exhibited in these cases.

00:24:15.000 So there are board games that come alive, seemingly so.

00:24:19.000 There are accounts of people with superhuman strength, strange languages, people not having reflections.

00:24:26.000 Stuff that I recognize, and I come into this as a skeptic.

00:24:29.000 I believe in a supernatural, but I remember the first time I heard these stories and I said, like, I'm listening to Father, and I go, this just, this is wow.

00:24:39.000 And I think everyone will have that reaction.

00:24:40.000 So there's something for everyone, but there are stories that just are very chilling.

00:24:45.000 And again, there will be a frustration there because as humans, we want to understand and believe that we are absolutely in control of everything.

00:24:53.000 And I think a take-home message from this is that we are not.

00:24:56.000 And I would also want listeners to, you know, not, while we're trying to entertain, we're also trying to educate.

00:25:02.000 I want people to draw their own conclusions.

00:25:05.000 This is not a look for demons.

00:25:06.000 Every time you get on the 405 and there's bumper-to-bumper traffic, you know, is this the result of the demonic?

00:25:12.000 Well, if it's at five o'clock, maybe, but you know, it's the reality is there, this is not something that is, we want people to preoccupy their lives with.

00:25:20.000 But for a vast majority of the world, I think there is a reality of the supernatural that we in Western culture tend to maybe dismiss.

00:25:29.000 And I found it very interesting that almost every culture that I researched, and I researched a lot and talked with many individuals who are credible, smart, they all have accounts and prescriptions for how to deal with spirits.

00:25:43.000 So there's this consensus, I think, around the world that we are not just, you know, flesh and mind, but also soul.

00:25:49.000 And there is a supernatural component to human beings that is explored in this show.

00:25:54.000 And I hope that you will figure that out.

00:25:56.000 So, Father, if you're comfortable answering this question, from what I understand, there can be a communication that you, the exorcist, have with the unclean spirit.

00:26:08.000 Is that correct?

00:26:12.000 I'm sorry.

00:26:13.000 Can you repeat the question?

00:26:14.000 So, if I understand correctly, in extreme cases, if you enter into an environment where someone is in need of an exorcism, the demon or the unclean spirit can speak through the body that they are inhabiting.

00:26:27.000 Oh, and he does, right?

00:26:29.000 He owns that body, so to speak, in that moment.

00:26:32.000 He inhabits the body.

00:26:33.000 And so, that's why, you know, one of the three classical signs of possession, which in the Catholic Church's manual, that a priest, there has to be at least one of these signs for him to proceed with the exorcism, is superhuman strength.

00:26:49.000 So, a strength that would be far beyond the capacity of the individual.

00:26:54.000 A 120-pound woman typically cannot pick up a 320-pound man and throw him 15 feet, right? 0.99

00:27:03.000 So, you've established there, if that happens, you've established the presence of the supernatural.

00:27:08.000 The same goes for knowledge of languages that the individual has never been taught.

00:27:14.000 I don't mean a few words, I mean speaking with perfect grammar in complete sentences.

00:27:21.000 And the third is knowledge of the occult, knowledge of what is hidden.

00:27:26.000 So, if he can recite all of the items in that list in your pocket or know at this precise moment, event X is happening, something that could not possibly be guessed, then you've established the presence of the supernatural.

00:27:43.000 And so, that power is coming from the demon.

00:27:47.000 It's not the individual.

00:27:49.000 You know, an exorcism session can last, you know, on average, one to four hours.

00:27:55.000 You have the individual typically struggling.

00:27:58.000 So, you know, I have two very large men, one holding down each of the victim's arms on top of a very large, strong oak wooden table.

00:28:08.000 You have another individual hugging the legs of that person, hugging the legs of the victim, in order to keep the person from flailing, from getting up, from running away.

00:28:22.000 You have those individuals squeezing and holding for all that they're worth in that time period.

00:28:29.000 At the end of it, at the end of, say, a four-hour session, the victim gets up and the victim is not tired at all because it wasn't the power of the victim.

00:28:38.000 It wasn't the victim's own strength that was causing this.

00:28:41.000 It was the demon.

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00:29:23.000 So, Father, just to kind of put a bow on that question: so, how do the unclean spirits respond to the name of Jesus?

00:29:33.000 Oh, they absolutely hate it.

00:29:35.000 They're weakened by it.

00:29:38.000 It's their kryptonite, so to speak, if we can speak that way.

00:29:42.000 And the interesting thing, too, is, you know, I've been an exorcist for a lot of years.

00:29:46.000 I know a lot of exorcists.

00:29:48.000 You know, our world is a very small world and we tend to know one another.

00:29:53.000 I have never, nor has any exorcist that I know, has never heard a demon disrespect the name of Jesus.

00:30:02.000 To state it differently, I have never heard a demon blaspheme, to use the name of Jesus disrespectfully, to use the two words God and then the word damn together.

00:30:14.000 I have never, nor has any colleague of mine ever heard a demon blaspheme.

00:30:21.000 So, when that happens in our lives, when that happens in a Hollywood movie, then we are going even beyond the realm of the demonic.

00:30:32.000 So, let me ask you: why do you think that is then?

00:30:35.000 Do you think that even the demon knows that they're not in charge, that they're not in control, that they actually fear the divine?

00:30:46.000 They absolutely fear God.

00:30:48.000 They respect God.

00:30:50.000 They hate God.

00:30:52.000 You know, I've seen many demons claim to be God.

00:30:56.000 I've seen many demons claim to modify the Judeo-Christian story and say that we've been told a lie.

00:31:05.000 So, that is not outside their purview at all.

00:31:09.000 But the act of disrespecting God's name is something that they never transgress.

00:31:16.000 And here's why: you have a name.

00:31:19.000 I have a name, but God is his name.

00:31:23.000 There are no parts in God.

00:31:26.000 God is a one complete unity, a transcendent unity.

00:31:31.000 So anything that one can say about God, we're talking about the entire God.

00:31:39.000 So the fact, so God's name, his identity is who he is.

00:31:45.000 So his intellect, his will, his strength, his power, his desire, and his name are all one thing.

00:31:53.000 You're talking about one reality.

00:31:56.000 And so that one reality is something that even the demons will not transgress.

00:32:02.000 They don't have the courage to take that on.

00:32:06.000 The great I am.

00:32:08.000 Ryan, tell us more about Exorcist Files before we wrap up the conversation.

00:32:11.000 When is it coming out?

00:32:13.000 How people can find it?

00:32:14.000 Just remind our audience that might be tuning in right now.

00:32:17.000 The Exorcist Files features the firsthand accounts and actual case files from Father Carlos Martins, who is a very respected exorcist.

00:32:25.000 We have taken these stories and provided dramatic reenactments in 3D audio.

00:32:30.000 It's a podcast available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast.

00:32:36.000 And it comes out January 25th.

00:32:39.000 And I think everyone, you don't have to be Catholic or Protestant or secular or anything.

00:32:45.000 I think there's something in here for everybody.

00:32:47.000 And if you're just interested in this topic, I invite everyone to listen and make up their own minds.

00:32:51.000 There's a lot of people beyond just Father Martins who've weighed in and see and tell us their stories and what they experienced.

00:32:57.000 Father, a minute and a half remaining, you've been doing this for a while.

00:33:00.000 What is your final takeaway to an ever-increasingly secular world of what you have learned that you want to communicate to them?

00:33:08.000 Sure.

00:33:09.000 Yeah.

00:33:09.000 So I want everybody to know you were created for a purpose.

00:33:12.000 You were created in love.

00:33:14.000 God has a plan for you, even if you're not aware of it at this point.

00:33:17.000 He does have one.

00:33:18.000 You are important to him.

00:33:20.000 And he wants you to come into the fullness of the dignity and identity for which he created you.

00:33:26.000 And he is only too glad to bring you to that point.

00:33:29.000 And unfortunately, there is an enemy who wants to keep you from that.

00:33:33.000 And he forfeited his own birthright and he wants you to forfeit your own.

00:33:39.000 And so what I would encourage you to do is to give up the sin in your life, to accept Jesus Christ in your heart as your Lord and Savior and start living following his commands.

00:33:49.000 And in that, you will find your happiness both in this life and in the next.

00:33:54.000 It's beautifully well said.

00:33:56.000 Exorcist Files, Ryan Bethay and Father Carlos Martins, fascinating hour.

00:34:00.000 God bless you both.

00:34:01.000 Thank you.

00:34:02.000 God bless you.

00:34:03.000 Thanks for having us, Charlie.

00:34:04.000 Thank you.

00:34:05.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:06.000 Email me your thoughts as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:09.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

00:34:15.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 19, 2023

The Exorcist Files with Fr. Carlos Martins and Ryan Bethea

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