The Charlie Kirk Show - The False Christianity of Tofu Talarico

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It is May 27th.

00:01:22.000 Man, this month has flown by.

00:01:23.000 We're here at the YREFI Studios.

00:01:25.000 How are we doing, Blake?

00:01:26.000 We're doing great.

00:01:27.000 It was a somewhat boring evening last night.

00:01:31.000 Well, you know, that's what happens when we are proven correct.

00:01:31.000 Yeah.

00:01:35.000 I mean, not to toot our own horn too much here, but it's a.

00:01:39.000 Base turnout operation.

00:01:41.000 That is what the midterms are.

00:01:43.000 President Trump got behind the bases.

00:01:44.000 Candidate and grassroots candidate, Turning Point Action, was one of the first groups to endorse Ken Paxton.

00:01:51.000 And it was a complete MAGA landslide.

00:01:54.000 So happy third anniversary of his impeachment to Ken Paxton.

00:01:54.000 It really was.

00:01:59.000 Total vindication.

00:02:01.000 I mean, what was the final tally here?

00:02:03.000 It ended up, I mean, what's incredible is John Cornyn did a lot worse in round two than he did in round one.

00:02:09.000 In round one, he.

00:02:11.000 Won the first round, 42% overall.

00:02:13.000 He needed 50.

00:02:15.000 So it went to a runoff, and in that runoff, he only got 36% of the vote.

00:02:20.000 It was a nearly 30 point win, basically.

00:02:23.000 Yeah.

00:02:23.000 It was like 27%.

00:02:25.000 63.8 to 36.2.

00:02:29.000 That is getting routed.

00:02:30.000 It looks like Cornyn won exactly two counties in the whole state.

00:02:36.000 Yeah, and it was Austin.

00:02:37.000 They thought he was going to win Dallas, but he didn't.

00:02:40.000 And then they thought Austin ended up holding on, and then there was one tiny little county that.

00:02:44.000 One of the border area wars.

00:02:45.000 I reported like 14 votes.

00:02:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:49.000 It's a very heavily Democrat registered count.

00:02:51.000 An absolute rout.

00:02:53.000 And again, on the third anniversary of being impeached, Ken Paxton experiences total vindication in this runoff with Cornyn.

00:03:03.000 But here's the interesting part Blake and I were observing that there were over 2 million votes cast in the original primary.

00:03:10.000 In the runoff, it was 1.3.

00:03:12.000 Yeah, I mean, if you look.

00:03:12.000 So it was extremely low turnout, which is what we said was going to happen.

00:03:17.000 So, your vote in the base had a much bigger impact.

00:03:20.000 Now, why is that important?

00:03:22.000 Because, as I said, this is a base turnout operations.

00:03:25.000 The midterms, you're not going to have President Trump on the ballot. 1.00

00:03:29.000 So, you got to get your diehards out. 0.51

00:03:31.000 You got to give them a reason to get to the polls.

00:03:34.000 That reason is Ken Paxton.

00:03:35.000 Now, why do I bring up the impeachment?

00:03:38.000 Because that is already, we saw it from Cornyn, and now we see it from Tallarico, Tofu Tallarico, as he will forever be known on this show.

00:03:49.000 There's a lot of great nicknames being floated around, by the way.

00:03:51.000 Talfrico, Soy Boy, but I like Tofu Tallarico.

00:03:57.000 Maybe like 20 genders, Tallarico.

00:03:59.000 I think he's a six-gender guy.

00:04:00.000 I think he said there's like an infinite number of sexes or something like that.

00:04:04.000 Some very large non-disciplinary.

00:04:05.000 Everything in between.

00:04:07.000 Okay.

00:04:07.000 So here's what we're already seeing the attack lines drawn.

00:04:13.000 It is pretty obvious, but I will tell you, the Republicans have a ton of ammunition against this guy.

00:04:20.000 Let's just see.

00:04:21.000 This is a taste: a first attack ad going against Tofu Tala Rico, SAT 17.

00:04:26.000 Prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness.

00:04:30.000 My own masculinity, and it's a painful process.

00:04:33.000 Sex is a spectrum, and oftentimes it can be very ambiguous.

00:04:37.000 God is both masculine and feminine and everything in between.

00:04:42.000 God is non binary.

00:04:44.000 Straight from Revelations in the Woke James Bible.

00:04:47.000 I want us all to be aware of that there are many more than two biological sexes.

00:04:52.000 In fact, there are six.

00:04:53.000 Now, existential, that we try to reduce our meat consumption.

00:04:57.000 It's the right thing to do and the moral thing to do.

00:04:59.000 The 11th commandment.

00:05:01.000 Thou shalt not smoke brisket.

00:05:03.000 I am proud to say that our campaign has officially become a non meat campaign.

00:05:08.000 They're going to call me a radical leftist, un Texan, un American, and bar none, the weirdest candidate for Senate that Lone Star State has ever seen.

00:05:20.000 I wonder what narrator they got for that.

00:05:21.000 It makes me think of when I was a kid in the 90s.

00:05:24.000 They'd have these kids' movies, and the narrator sounds almost exactly the same.

00:05:29.000 It's pretty fun.

00:05:29.000 I mean, it's a pretty spot on ad.

00:05:31.000 I just have to say, the guy is.

00:05:33.000 Objectively, very weird.

00:05:36.000 And even Democrats are acknowledging this.

00:05:38.000 Like, we're seeing CNN commentators say he's vulnerable because this, I mean, listen, Texas is not what it once was, admittedly.

00:05:47.000 There's been a lot of people flooding into the state, but there's still a lot of fighting that dog.

00:05:53.000 And I mean, thou shalt not smoke brisket.

00:05:56.000 That's a good look. 1.00

00:05:57.000 Because you don't mess with Texans and their meat. 1.00

00:06:00.000 You just don't. 0.98

00:06:02.000 And the guy is wearing a mask at every other clip.

00:06:04.000 And he's a state that has changed a lot.

00:06:07.000 We should not be arrogant because we've been through a few races where they've said, oh, this state will never elect XYZ.

00:06:14.000 And we kind of lucked out with Pennsylvania where we said they'd never elect Fetterman. 0.66

00:06:17.000 And they did.

00:06:18.000 And Fetterman ended up not being so bad.

00:06:20.000 Got a stroke and then he got better.

00:06:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:23.000 But, you know, Talarico seems like a young guy.

00:06:25.000 I don't, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who will get elected and then suddenly get amnesia on all the generations.

00:06:29.000 Talarico is the manifestation of what happens to an otherwise.

00:06:35.000 Like, kind of normal guy when he goes through the woke indoctrination regimen that the left wants for all American males.

00:06:43.000 You come out spineless, your masculinity is shriveled on the vine.

00:06:47.000 Like, you can't fight anybody, you couldn't defend a home. 0.72

00:06:52.000 You end up twisting yourself into ideological knots to justify the most heinous things, including abortion, the transing of kids, all of this stuff.

00:07:02.000 And this, to me, is the heart of the argument.

00:07:05.000 Because you've got David French here.

00:07:07.000 We've got this tweet.

00:07:09.000 He said, Can we be done with the pretense that Republican primary voters vote for MAGA candidates in spite of their apostasy and corruption?

00:07:18.000 Obviously, he's talking about Kim Paxson.

00:07:20.000 The transgressions is a feature, not a bug.

00:07:23.000 It tells voters they don't care about law or morality, only power.

00:07:27.000 So here's my question for you, David French.

00:07:30.000 If I, as a voter, am confronted with a binary choice, Between Ken Paxton, who supports my values, supports a closed border, who's tough on crime, and all those things, supports traditional values, and will vote to support those, but he has, let's just say, a few bumps along the road morally.

00:07:53.000 I'm not even making a values judgment on that necessarily, or saying it's right or wrong, or saying that it's true or false.

00:07:59.000 I'm just saying, let's assume it is for a second. 0.61

00:08:02.000 And my other choice is Cornyn, who wants to flood the country, who is pro amnesty, or Tal Rico, who wants to trans kids, wants to justify abortion, who wants to make a third world hellhole out of Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, which is the moral judgment that I am forced to make.

00:08:21.000 If you're going to tell me that Ken Paxton is somehow morally untoward, but Tal Rico, because he says it in a calm, beta male voice. 0.56

00:08:29.000 Let's remember.

00:08:30.000 David French basically called James Tallarico, I believe, the truest Christian in American politics right now. 0.73

00:08:35.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:08:36.000 Well, and that is Frenchian. 0.92

00:08:38.000 That is a total Frenchian way to do it. 1.00

00:08:41.000 And it's very revolting. 1.00

00:08:42.000 It's very disturbing because it's not like Tallarico really has made the whole I'm super Christian, aspiring minister sort of persona a big part of his appeal.

00:08:54.000 And the Bible has some very explicit words about what should happen to those who want to harm children, which he wants to.

00:09:01.000 He's the guy who goes on podcasts and says, What do I love most? 1.00

00:09:04.000 Trans children.

00:09:05.000 That's what I love.

00:09:06.000 Yeah.

00:09:07.000 The Bible has very specific words for that sort of person.

00:09:09.000 I mean, this is just wild.

00:09:10.000 Like, he, I mean, we're running out of time here, but this is, um, play Sot 20.

00:09:18.000 Something that you love that's not family or friends.

00:09:22.000 Um, I love, I'm just saying this because it's on my mind the trans children who showed up yesterday at the state capitol.

00:09:32.000 To advocate for their humanity, they shouldn't have to, but it was an inspiration to watch.

00:09:37.000 The first thing he says is what he loves is trans children.

00:09:40.000 Okay, he's just strange, you know.

00:09:43.000 And you might think that this sounds mean, and I don't mean to be mean, but I just mean to be honest with you.

00:09:49.000 And I think that's what the audience needs.

00:09:51.000 They need to understand I'm not trying to be, you know, sling pejoratives at him.

00:09:57.000 It's just, it needs to be said.

00:09:59.000 I am this.

00:10:00.000 Well, Blake has his own approach here, but let's just play like this is him justifying the murder of babies.

00:10:07.000 This is serious stuff.

00:10:08.000 Sot 19. 0.53

00:10:09.000 But I say all this in terms of, in context of abortion, because before God comes over Mary and we have the incarnation, God asks for Mary's consent.

00:10:23.000 And she says, if it is God's will, let it be done.

00:10:26.000 Let it be.

00:10:27.000 Let it happen.

00:10:28.000 So to me, that is an affirmation in one of our most central stories that creation has to be done with consent.

00:10:35.000 You cannot force someone to create.

00:10:37.000 Creation is one of the most sacred acts that.

00:10:39.000 That we engage in as human beings, but that has to be done with consent.

00:10:44.000 It has to be done with freedom.

00:10:46.000 And so that's how I come down on that side of the issue.

00:10:50.000 You see, this just is vastly more bothersome than if you just have some atheist Marxist come out and they say we love abortion because we're materialists and all that.

00:10:59.000 Very evil, very wrong, but you kind of know what you're getting with the territory.

00:11:03.000 This is a person who is lying about what Christianity teaches, what Christianity has always taught.

00:11:11.000 Earliest Christians, if you go read the Didache from the first century, where Christians are telling each other, Here's what we believe, they condemn abortion.

00:11:19.000 And he comes in and he tells this lie and says, Actually, Christians should support abortion. 0.58

00:11:24.000 That is a monstrous evil.

00:11:26.000 Yeah, it's twisting scripture to suit your itching ears and whatever you want to hear. 0.61

00:11:31.000 And the other thing, to your point, Blake, you're right about the Roman Empire.

00:11:35.000 Infanticide was rampant within the Roman Empire. 0.83

00:11:38.000 It was because Christians stopped it. 0.97

00:11:38.000 Why did that stop? 0.97

00:11:40.000 They used to just leave babies out to exposure to kill babies. 0.93

00:11:45.000 And the Christians stopped it.

00:11:46.000 They would save these babies, and ultimately, the Christianization of the Roman Empire, the practice stopped. 0.77

00:11:51.000 Well, a Roman man would not have a child. 0.69

00:11:53.000 He would accept a child that his wife would give birth to, and he had the choice. 0.99

00:11:57.000 He could say, kill it right now, or we can raise it. 0.99

00:12:00.000 And that was the choice he was allowed to make, 100% legal.

00:12:02.000 Well, and he's even chipping away at the exclusivity claims of Jesus Christ I am the way, the truth, and the life.

00:12:08.000 No one will come to the Father except through me.

00:12:11.000 Well, that we have in scripture, right?

00:12:13.000 But James Tallarico doesn't believe that.

00:12:16.000 Here's him talking about all the religions of love lead to truth.

00:12:20.000 18.

00:12:21.000 I believe Christianity points to the truth.

00:12:23.000 I also think other religions of love point to the same truth.

00:12:27.000 I think of different religious traditions as different languages.

00:12:30.000 So, you and I could sit here and debate what to call this cup, and you could call it a cup in English, you'd call it something else in Spanish and French, but we are all talking about the same reality.

00:12:39.000 I believe Jesus Christ reveals that reality to us, but I also think that other traditions reveal that reality in their own ways with their own symbol structures.

00:12:48.000 And I've learned more about my tradition by learning more about Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam and Judaism.

00:12:55.000 And so, I see these beautiful faith traditions as circling the same truth about the universe, about the cosmos.

00:13:01.000 And that truth is inherently a mystery. 0.96

00:13:05.000 I do not consider Islam a religion of love. 1.00

00:13:08.000 I believe it's a conquering political ideology that has a backdrop and a foundation that is considered a religion, but I don't believe it's true. 1.00

00:13:17.000 I don't believe it points to the truth.

00:13:20.000 The fact that he does is extraordinarily troublesome.

00:13:25.000 And I would agree with Blake that it's evil to be twisting scriptures like this.

00:13:31.000 Let's just keep going.

00:13:32.000 Here's him giving a sermon about.

00:13:36.000 Abortion again, and really, you know, he's got a really like, and trans, he's really obsessed with these two topics.

00:13:42.000 Sot 24.

00:13:43.000 Before we go further, I want to acknowledge that our trans community needs abortion care too.

00:13:50.000 Defending trans Texans is something we have to do every day at the state capitol, and you better believe I'll be giving sermons on that too.

00:13:58.000 So, when I use the word woman, it should not be understood as an exhaustive term, but rather as a lens through which to understand, examine, and interrogate patriarchy.

00:14:10.000 Our trans community needs abortion care too.

00:14:12.000 Yeah, and do you hear that other part?

00:14:15.000 Like I sort of skimmed over, but it's like you should not hear women as an exhaustive term. 0.98

00:14:19.000 It's a lens. 0.98

00:14:20.000 Women, do you feel like you're a lens through which to view your existence through? 1.00

00:14:24.000 Or are you just a woman? 1.00

00:14:26.000 Are you an ex? 0.97

00:14:28.000 Did God make you a woman or a man?

00:14:30.000 Like this is terrifying stuff.

00:14:33.000 This is what I mean when I say he is a manifestation of everything the left wants, indoctrinated in one brain.

00:14:41.000 Of an otherwise normal person.

00:14:43.000 This man fears a mob of people on Blue Sky vastly more than he fears God.

00:14:49.000 That's well said.

00:14:51.000 Yeah.

00:14:53.000 It keeps going, folks.

00:14:55.000 We've got more.

00:14:55.000 There's so many clips of James Talrico basically mask off, even though he loves wearing a mask, telling you exactly who he is.

00:15:03.000 And I've said it before and I'll say it again when somebody shows you who they are, believe them.

00:15:09.000 SOC 25.

00:15:10.000 I often think when reclaiming symbols, I think about the American flag.

00:15:14.000 I think the Confederate flag is a.

00:15:15.000 Symbol of treason and terrorism, but the American flag is such a complicated symbol for most of us, and in many ways, like Jesus, like the cross, it's been co opted and, in some ways, its true meaning has been betrayed.

00:15:32.000 Okay, so the flag's a problem, too.

00:15:34.000 Okay, gotcha.

00:15:36.000 And also, he has to reckon with his own whiteness.

00:15:42.000 29.

00:15:43.000 For me, prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity, my own.

00:15:50.000 Certainty, my own ego.

00:15:53.000 It's a never ending process and it's a painful process.

00:15:57.000 And then there's back to the gender thing.

00:15:59.000 How many genders are there, James?

00:16:01.000 He's not sure, or maybe he is. 1.00

00:16:03.000 Stop 30. 0.92

00:16:04.000 I want us all to be aware of that modern science obviously recognizes that there are many more than two biological sexes. 0.95

00:16:13.000 In fact, there are six.

00:16:14.000 Oh, there's six?

00:16:15.000 Why stop at six?

00:16:17.000 We can laugh at this guy all we want, but we should have you know this guy is every time, it seems every cycle, there's someone running in Texas and Democrats.

00:16:27.000 Make him the mascot of their entire campaign that year.

00:16:31.000 They got really into Beto O'Rourke in 2018.

00:16:33.000 They were really obsessed with what's her name?

00:16:35.000 The woman who ran for governor because she stood up for abortion rights for six hours straight or whatever it was. 0.77

00:16:42.000 Forgot her name because she ran and she got killed, which was good. 0.58

00:16:45.000 But they're going to invest a huge amount of money in this.

00:16:50.000 They know that this is an opportunity for them to pick it up.

00:16:53.000 Texas is a red state, it's consistently voted Republican, but it's one of the shakiest red states overall.

00:16:59.000 President Trump won it big in this last election, but he won it by less in 2020 and 2016.

00:17:04.000 They will spend tens, hundreds of millions of dollars on this race.

00:17:08.000 They would love to humiliate us. 1.00

00:17:10.000 So we should laugh at him because he is a laughable and pathetic figure. 0.99

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00:19:08.000 Here to help us celebrate and make sense of what happened in Texas last night is rising star Congressman Brandon Gill.

00:19:17.000 Welcome back to the show, Brandon.

00:19:18.000 Good to see you.

00:19:20.000 Tell us what you make of it, of that absolute rout in the Senate, but there's other races we want to talk about as well.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, I mean, last night was a phenomenal night for Patriots who are looking to take their country back.

00:19:33.000 I mean, I think that that Ken Paxton result, where he won by 28 points, sent a very clear message to Washington, which is that the people of Texas and I think people across the country are looking for somebody who's going to fight for him, who's going to stand up for him, who wants secure borders, who's going to fight to actually get the Save America Act across the finish line.

00:19:56.000 And that's exactly what they're going to get with Ken Paxton.

00:20:00.000 It's also a clear repudiation, I think, in many ways, of Of amnesty.

00:20:06.000 That was a big issue in this primary cycle.

00:20:09.000 And GOP voters said very clearly, we will not tolerate amnesty.

00:20:13.000 And I think that's something we ought to remember going forward.

00:20:16.000 Yeah, I completely agree. 0.78

00:20:17.000 You know, what's interesting about it as well is that, you know, you could see that Senator Cornyn was starting to experience, you know, he could sense where the wind was blowing and he ends up putting out ads about Islam, which was new for him.

00:20:30.000 I'm curious, just the feel on the ground in Texas.

00:20:33.000 How big of an issue is the Islam topic?

00:20:37.000 I mean, this is one of the top issues that I hear on the ground from my constituents all the time.

00:20:43.000 Every time I do an event where I meet and take questions from constituents, which is pretty often, I get a question on Islam, and it's usually one of the first ones.

00:20:52.000 The reality is, especially in the DFW Metroplex, which is near where my district is, you've got entire cities, entire communities that are being transformed by mass Islamic migration. 1.00

00:21:05.000 You've got mosques being. 0.72

00:21:07.000 That are popping up all over the Metroplex. 1.00

00:21:10.000 And the people of Texas are tired of it.

00:21:12.000 They're tired of seeing their hometowns being culturally transformed and they want somebody who's going to stand up to it.

00:21:20.000 And there's also, especially in the Metroplex, tons of Indian immigrants as well.

00:21:27.000 Is that also a topic top of mind? 1.00

00:21:29.000 Oh, I hear about H 1Bs all the time. 1.00

00:21:33.000 And it's a similar issue where you see our communities are being fundamentally. 1.00

00:21:38.000 Transformed. 1.00

00:21:39.000 I had a mayor in my district, and I won't say which town or which mayor, who told me that he's had a massive influx of people coming in on H 1B visas.

00:21:51.000 And he said, in one of the neighborhoods there, they typically have a Christmas tree where they celebrate Christmas as sort of a neighborhood, as a community.

00:22:00.000 And so many of these people came into that community, they became a majority, and they went up to him and they said, We're not celebrating Christmas here.

00:22:08.000 We're doing Dwali, but we're not doing Christmas.

00:22:10.000 And he said, We've done Christmas.

00:22:12.000 Every single year, we want to continue this tradition of the town.

00:22:16.000 And they said, Well, there's more of us than there are of you, and we don't want Christmas anymore.

00:22:21.000 And that's the kind of thing that really moves people that people say, My community, my country is being taken away from me.

00:22:29.000 And again, they're sick of it.

00:22:32.000 So I want to address this issue.

00:22:35.000 And you can already see Tal Rico saying it's the people versus Ken Paxton.

00:22:40.000 You know, you saw the corn and smears attacking his character, corruption, whatever.

00:22:45.000 Moral failures or whatever.

00:22:47.000 What is your reaction?

00:22:49.000 David French, we showed his tweet earlier talking about, you know, essentially, can we just get rid of the pretense that we care about somebody's morality?

00:22:58.000 Like the corruption is a feature, not a bug.

00:23:00.000 What do you say to those people that are attacking Ken Paxton's character like this?

00:23:05.000 I would say I'd like to better understand how you can possibly look at somebody who is so obsessed with transgender children, who will take scripture and contort it in the most Demonic and perverse ways to suggest that the Bible is somehow a pro abortion document, that Mary actually gave consent to have to birth the Son of God, and how that is evidence that the Bible supports abortion and is pro choice.

00:23:33.000 I mean, that is so far out there.

00:23:35.000 I'd like to hear them explain what the type of integrity or lack of integrity that's needed to have those sorts of views.

00:23:44.000 You know, you can look at this and you can say, well, we're tired of scandals.

00:23:50.000 We're tired of this.

00:23:51.000 Well, I'm tired of having teachers tell young children that they're born in the wrong body.

00:23:57.000 I'm tired of having politicians like James Tallarico who say that our southern border should have a welcome mat on it. 0.97

00:24:04.000 I'm tired of freaks and lunatics like Tallarico. 0.76

00:24:08.000 Who are trying to tell us that there are six different sexes, which he said, and I'd love to hear him explain, by the way, what the other four sexes are. 0.95

00:24:16.000 I think the people of Texas would like to hear too.

00:24:19.000 Integrity means also having not contorting scripture and living in reality, and Tallarico certainly does not.

00:24:29.000 So I want to go to, I completely agree, by the way, and I think that was really well said.

00:24:34.000 You know, we've been longtime friends with Chip Roy.

00:24:38.000 Chip Roy lost.

00:24:40.000 Last night to Mays Middleton.

00:24:43.000 What's the takeaway from that race?

00:24:45.000 Well, both Chip and Mays are good friends of mine, and they're both very conservative.

00:24:51.000 And I think whenever I looked at that race, my big takeaway was we've done pretty well in the GOP, at least in this race, to have two phenomenal candidates there to choose from.

00:25:03.000 But the reality, I would say, is that President Trump is the leader of the party.

00:25:08.000 His endorsement means more than anything else, but also the people of Texas are looking for somebody who they can.

00:25:14.000 Really believe is going to be with the president all the time.

00:25:17.000 And that was a key issue in that race.

00:25:21.000 So, listen, again, I think that both of those candidates are really good.

00:25:24.000 I have an enormous amount of respect for Chip Roy.

00:25:29.000 He's somebody who has fought very hard in Congress for conservative values.

00:25:34.000 And he's somebody, by the way, who doesn't just fight in front of the camera, but who goes to the mat whenever the cameras are all gone, behind the scenes, whenever nobody can see it.

00:25:45.000 And he is somebody who I think is going to be doing, is going to stick around, and we'll probably hear a lot more from.

00:25:52.000 And I think that's a good thing.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, I think that's a good thing as well.

00:25:54.000 I think Chip's a man of integrity.

00:25:56.000 And I think ultimately, you know, he had some dust ups with the president in the past, and that was used against him.

00:26:02.000 But I mean, you know, Chip's a great guy, and we wish him well.

00:26:06.000 And I hope you're right.

00:26:08.000 I hope we get to see more of Chip in the future because he is a fighter and he's a man of integrity.

00:26:13.000 So I think one of the risks here is that, one, we take Tal Rico.

00:26:17.000 Too softly because he's so weird to us, right?

00:26:20.000 But there's a lot of normies out there that just look at him and his golly gee shucks kind of persona.

00:26:25.000 People, we were laughing at Ossoff when he first came on the political scene.

00:26:29.000 And now he's a senator from Georgia.

00:26:31.000 And he's, you know, favored to retain his seat.

00:26:34.000 I hope that's wrong.

00:26:35.000 I would also say that the other, you know, I actually believe that Paxton would have won without Trump's endorsement.

00:26:42.000 So I think while the Trump endorsement is powerful, there's no doubt, I think that just, that's what led to this landslide, right?

00:26:49.000 It just kind of, It kind of pushed it way over the edge here.

00:26:53.000 But I think there's a critical component here.

00:26:58.000 If you look at South Carolina, I'm not asking you to delve into controversial topics.

00:27:02.000 So, Lindsey Graham, he's got the Trump endorsement.

00:27:04.000 But man, if I'm Lindsey Graham, I am, in the words of Jeremy Carl, sweating bullets today because the base has an instinct of who actually represents the America First principles that we all ascribe to and espouse.

00:27:19.000 And they can smell a fraud.

00:27:21.000 Right.

00:27:22.000 So I think we could take the takeaways in the wrong direction here.

00:27:25.000 Yes, the Trump endorsement is powerful, but I mean, Paxton and Cornyn, there was really no choice for a base conservative.

00:27:32.000 Right.

00:27:33.000 And the base will come out if you give them a reason to in midterms.

00:27:37.000 So, the question then to you, Congressman, is what are the key takeaways here?

00:27:41.000 You mentioned amnesty.

00:27:42.000 What else?

00:27:44.000 I think somebody who does the same thing behind closed doors that they talk about publicly.

00:27:50.000 I'll give you an example the Save America Act, sort of related to the immigration debate.

00:27:56.000 But this is something that we've known for a very long time.

00:27:59.000 The only way realistically to get the Save America Act across the finish line. 0.93

00:28:04.000 Is for the Senate to utilize a talking filibuster.

00:28:07.000 And if you're going to support the Save America Act, but not support a talking filibuster, both publicly and behind closed doors, that's not good enough anymore.

00:28:17.000 And I don't think that the people of Texas are looking for that type of leadership.

00:28:21.000 They want somebody who's going to get it done.

00:28:23.000 And that was a big issue in this election cycle.

00:28:26.000 In fact, I think at one point, Ken Paxton had mentioned he would drop out of the race so that leadership would get the Save America Act passed.

00:28:37.000 And that's something that voters look to.

00:28:38.000 And they say, that is leadership.

00:28:40.000 That's somebody who's fighting for me.

00:28:42.000 And that's what they're drawn towards.

00:28:44.000 So I think it's an amnesty.

00:28:46.000 It's the Save America Act.

00:28:48.000 And it's also people just recognizing and feeling comfortable that the representative that they're sending to Washington is somebody who's looking out for them and not looking out for Washington, D.C. or foreigners or anybody else.

00:29:02.000 Yeah.

00:29:02.000 Well, and they make a, you know, and I actually, you know, I might take some heat for this, but I don't think Cornyn's a bad guy.

00:29:08.000 I think he just has bad ideas.

00:29:09.000 And I think, you know, He's just out of step with where the base is at and where the party is at.

00:29:15.000 He's a fossil.

00:29:16.000 He mattered.

00:29:17.000 He was with the party 20 years ago.

00:29:20.000 It's 20 years later.

00:29:21.000 Yeah, it is.

00:29:23.000 Congressman, you are with the party where it's at now.

00:29:25.000 And you know we have your back.

00:29:27.000 And we expect and hope for great things from you.

00:29:30.000 And so thank you for making the time and coming in and chiming in.

00:29:33.000 It's important that we take the right lessons out of last night.

00:29:36.000 But either way, you slice it.

00:29:38.000 It was a magnificent result.

00:29:40.000 So God bless you, man.

00:29:42.000 We'll see you soon.

00:29:43.000 Awesome.

00:29:43.000 Thanks for having me.

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00:31:01.000 So there's so much to get to.

00:31:02.000 So President Trump is holding a cabinet meeting right now at the White House.

00:31:07.000 Lots of clips coming through that.

00:31:09.000 Basically, fraud is on the top of this administration's to do list and the top of their mind, which I love.

00:31:16.000 So we'll get some clips on that. 0.98

00:31:18.000 Also, AOC is wearing a hijab in front of Mamdani, which is.

00:31:23.000 That was yesterday, but nonetheless, it's very iconic, yes. 0.67

00:31:28.000 But I want to zero in on this fraud thing because I think it's one of the best things this administration is doing, especially when you talk about, you know, there's people in the base or in the movement that are frustrated about Iran or what have you.

00:31:40.000 Remember, there is a lot of firepower being aimed right here at addressing issues right here at home, like fraud.

00:31:47.000 And this clip ended up kind of making the rounds yesterday.

00:31:52.000 I posted it as well.

00:31:53.000 This is Stephen Miller talking about just how widespread the fraud really is.

00:31:57.000 Pay attention to everything he says here because if it's even somewhat true, 50% true, The opportunity is extraordinary.

00:32:05.000 Sot three.

00:32:06.000 Fraud is every bit as bad as President Trump said it was, and even worse.

00:32:11.000 All of the systems in our country were set up based on the honor system.

00:32:15.000 They're set up based on the idea that you could trust the average person through their own morality to abide by the rules and comply with the law. 0.74

00:32:23.000 We became a society, as you've seen with the Somali refugee problem in Minnesota, where you have a large number of people that are not following the honor system. 1.00

00:32:33.000 They're not playing by the rules, they're not abiding by our laws. 1.00

00:32:35.000 And the amount that has been fleeced from us is in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:32:40.000 I believe, based on what I've seen and what I've heard, is that we could balance the federal budget if the only dollars that went out of the Treasury went to individuals who were properly, lawfully, correctly eligible to receive them.

00:32:55.000 So, just making sure you heard that last line again, that was from yesterday.

00:32:58.000 It's not the cabinet meeting, but he said that he believes, from what he's seen and what he's heard, that we could balance the federal budget if.

00:33:06.000 The only dollars that went out of the Treasury went to individuals who properly, lawfully, and correctly are eligible to receive them.

00:33:14.000 Now, I don't know if that's 100% true, but it's directionally true.

00:33:20.000 And that means that we owe it to American taxpayers to make sure that we are being extraordinarily detailed and precise and holding accountable the fraudsters, but also making sure the dollars that leave the Treasury are going to people that actually deserve them and are eligible for them.

00:33:37.000 Because if you can come close to balancing the federal budget, that would be an extraordinary achievement.

00:33:43.000 Now, we're not nearly there yet.

00:33:45.000 We're at the tip of the iceberg stage.

00:33:47.000 But they are taking this issue extraordinarily seriously.

00:33:50.000 And I think one of the reasons is because it's extraordinarily politically popular, and it should be.

00:33:56.000 This is not one of those issues that, you know, we're used to vice presidents getting these pet projects, Borders R, Kamala Harris, and doing absolutely nothing with them.

00:34:06.000 Instead, the vice president is on this like white on rice, and I'm here for it.

00:34:10.000 Yesterday, he announced this bipartisan effort working with state AGs, and he even had the AGs of Oregon and Connecticut present.

00:34:20.000 That's a good sign.

00:34:21.000 That's a good sign, SOT 10.

00:34:22.000 One of the things we've realized in combating fraud is that the resources of the federal government, while vast, can be supplemented and aided by a lot of the people who know best what's happening in their states, which is the attorneys general represented here today.

00:34:36.000 And they have a lot of legal resources, they have a lot of prosecutorial resources, and of course, they have the desire to prevent fraud as much as we do.

00:34:42.000 And so I appreciate these leaders for being here because.

00:34:44.000 We're going to work together, state and federal government, to try to combat fraud.

00:34:48.000 I'm particularly gratified here that this is not a partisan effort.

00:34:51.000 I believe we have a couple of representatives from the attorney generals in Connecticut and Oregon.

00:34:57.000 And as I've said repeatedly, this does not need to be, this should not be a partisan effort.

00:35:02.000 Everybody should care about fraud.

00:35:04.000 Everybody should care about rooting out fraud.

00:35:05.000 Everybody should care about saving the American taxpayers' money.

00:35:08.000 He's very charitable because I'm not sure that if you go to California, they do care that much about rooting out fraud.

00:35:15.000 I think they've created very successful systems of we'll look the other way on fraud.

00:35:22.000 And in return, you keep getting your, for example, your union voters electing us.

00:35:27.000 You can definitely, or your community members voting to elect us in blocks.

00:35:31.000 You can very much get a self sustaining system.

00:35:34.000 And especially with something like Medicaid, most of the money is federal dollars.

00:35:37.000 So you just have it's classic moral hazard where if the state is overseeing the program, but it's federal money that's actually paying for it, they just, They're just naturally not going to care about it nearly as much.

00:35:49.000 And we really need to restore that aspect of it because it's a lot more than just the raw dollar amounts here.

00:35:55.000 The raw dollar amounts are vast, those matter.

00:35:58.000 But on top of that, this is driving so much illegal immigration because they say, come here, we'll have a whole racket set up where you can set up this business, we'll get a ton of money.

00:36:08.000 In fact, the more people we bring in, the more money we can get.

00:36:11.000 So it's driving a ton of the immigration.

00:36:13.000 It's driving, I think, the general.

00:36:16.000 For example, we've talked about the bad vibes over America where young people are dispirited. 1.00

00:36:21.000 They feel this way because they can see these newly arrived immigrant groups scamming the system, getting away with it, going almost totally unpunished. 0.98

00:36:31.000 And they think the system is rigged.

00:36:33.000 It's rigged against me.

00:36:34.000 I'm being denied opportunities so scammers can get this.

00:36:36.000 And if you visibly smash these people to bits, send them to prison for a decade, two decades, and then deport them, and deport them, revoke their citizenship if you can.

00:36:47.000 They will feel much better about their country. 0.97

00:36:49.000 They'll feel like they have a country and a government that looks out for them, which we used to have in America.

00:36:54.000 Americans used to think their government was competent and cared about them, and they don't think that anymore.

00:36:59.000 And they think that for a very good reason.

00:37:01.000 Yep.

00:37:01.000 Here's JD talking about how big the problem he thinks is.

00:37:04.000 Stop 34.

00:37:06.000 We expect that there are tens of thousands of people who are collecting fraudulent money to take care of people, and they're not actually taking care of them.

00:37:14.000 We're, of course, going to get to the root of as much of it as we can.

00:37:17.000 That is, of course, the hospice racket.

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00:38:30.000 We have one of the most competent, insightful political analysts in the country joining us now.

00:38:37.000 And that, of course, is Alex Marlowe, editor in chief of Breitbart and also host of the Alex Marlowe Show.

00:38:44.000 Alex, welcome back, my friend.

00:38:45.000 Good to see you.

00:38:46.000 Great day to be on, Andrew.

00:38:47.000 Thank you.

00:38:48.000 Blake, nice to see you.

00:38:49.000 It was a MAGA landslide.

00:38:51.000 I think it's safe to say that.

00:38:52.000 Sometimes you can make too much of the MAGA versus America first of it all.

00:38:56.000 It was a MAGA landslide last night.

00:38:59.000 We've got a lot to get into with you, Alex, but got to start there because it's the number one story in the country today.

00:39:06.000 What are the right takeaways from last night, and what would be the wrong takeaways from last night?

00:39:13.000 So, I think the right one is what you said.

00:39:15.000 Trump's in command of the party.

00:39:16.000 The Trump endorsement certainly sealed the deal.

00:39:18.000 But I think looking at the margin, there are people who are asking me who are pretty knowledgeable, Andrew, they pay attention to this stuff.

00:39:24.000 They were asking me pretty late in the day yesterday, does Cornyn actually have a chance?

00:39:27.000 I said, hell nah, he absolutely does not.

00:39:29.000 He's going to lose by lot.

00:39:31.000 And I think part of it is because the base is so much smarter than people give them credit for.

00:39:37.000 And this is something that I learned very early at Breitbart News.

00:39:40.000 I remember I started Breitbart first employee, so almost 18 years ago.

00:39:43.000 It's the audience is super smart.

00:39:45.000 They know who's real and who's fake.

00:39:47.000 I think we saw that last week with Massey.

00:39:49.000 Too many people started to think he was fake.

00:39:51.000 People know Ken Paxton is the real deal and John Cornyn is not.

00:39:54.000 Ken Paxton is a fighter.

00:39:56.000 He is pursued, he has pushed the agenda.

00:39:58.000 He's a thermostat.

00:39:59.000 He is not a thermometer.

00:40:00.000 He is someone who adjusts the temperature.

00:40:02.000 Gone after Netflix, gone after Meta, gone after Google, gone after Pharma, a great guy in the border, great guy in guns.

00:40:10.000 But he's a really savvy politician.

00:40:12.000 And we talked about this, I think, last time we were on, but the way he got Trump's endorsement, By backing Cornyn to a corner and saying, You get the save act done and I'll drop out.

00:40:20.000 Cornyn couldn't pull that off.

00:40:21.000 That got the Trump endorsement. 1.00

00:40:23.000 Totally genius. 1.00

00:40:24.000 He's going to crush Talarico and we're going to be celebrating in November.

00:40:27.000 So, Talarico, we had a lot of fun destroying him in hour one, honestly.

00:40:34.000 As you said, Alarico. 1.00

00:40:35.000 You know, he is a heretic, actually, which I don't say lightly, but he, I mean, I just don't, I've been wrestling with, you know, okay, put it this way. 0.95

00:40:45.000 I don't like to. 0.67

00:40:47.000 I don't know, basically, ascribe motive to certain things.

00:40:50.000 I don't like to ascribe malice to certain things if I don't know for sure.

00:40:56.000 I cannot watch those clips in quick succession like we did in hour one and not conclude fundamentally that he is a heretic.

00:41:04.000 Do you agree? 0.98

00:41:04.000 Am I being too harsh? 0.98

00:41:06.000 No, I think you're being right.

00:41:07.000 And I found a new data point while I was going through my show earlier today because I was playing, of course, the clip that we've all played before of him using the Bible and the story of the Virgin Mary in particular to justify abortion, which already is pretty demonic in and of itself.

00:41:21.000 But there was another thing where he was talking about his vegan campaign.

00:41:25.000 And he was saying he doesn't want a vegan campaign, not because he doesn't believe in animal cruelty, but because he believes it's climate change.

00:41:32.000 And I was just starting to think about wait a minute.

00:41:35.000 There was actually a chance for him to maybe draw on biblical principles to try to force some sort of strained left wing agenda.

00:41:41.000 And he really made it about the climate.

00:41:43.000 He made it about the false pagan God of climate change.

00:41:46.000 And it makes you think that he really truly is just a manipulator.

00:41:52.000 Any tolerance for this stuff?

00:41:53.000 A guy who thumps the Bible to push a left wing agenda, but then doesn't seem to actually understand the key tenets of Christianity itself.

00:42:02.000 I think this is really going to come out over the next few months.

00:42:04.000 Yeah, I completely agree.

00:42:06.000 And he's just such a beta.

00:42:08.000 Do we have that side by side between Beto and Talrico?

00:42:14.000 We have that, right, guys?

00:42:15.000 There it is.

00:42:16.000 He's even doing the same pose.

00:42:21.000 But I think Beto was a better candidate, honestly.

00:42:23.000 He had a something.

00:42:25.000 Like, I'll give him that, right? 0.92

00:42:26.000 He was the fake Hispanic Irishman named Beto. 0.91

00:42:29.000 I mean, it was just so perfect that we have this 100% Anglo background guy. 0.88

00:42:33.000 Robert Francis Aruk goes by Beto running against, you know, Rafael Cruz goes by Ted. 0.72

00:42:39.000 I just think that perfectly captures the two parties.

00:42:41.000 And so, you know, I see a lot of people.

00:42:41.000 Yeah.

00:42:44.000 I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Brandon Gill in hour one.

00:42:47.000 So a lot has been made about the moral, quote unquote, moral failings of Ken Paxton.

00:42:47.000 Yeah.

00:42:56.000 And, you know, you got David French.

00:42:58.000 Excoriating him and saying, you know, conservatives don't care about the morality of their elected leaders.

00:43:04.000 What do you make with those attacks?

00:43:06.000 Because that's the same attack line that John Cornyn took.

00:43:09.000 It's going to be the same attack line that Talarico takes.

00:43:13.000 What's your answer to that?

00:43:14.000 Yeah, I think there's probably some stuff if you really want to parse through Paxton's history that's imperfect, but you can do the same with so many people, Donald Trump being one of them.

00:43:23.000 And I think ultimately, a lot of people who are going to be voting, they're going to be looking at the future.

00:43:28.000 And do you want to have a guy who is this beta?

00:43:31.000 Breitbart, this is, I don't think I've ever said this specifically, but we've stylized it now.

00:43:36.000 My newsroom has permission not to capitalize the T in Talarico.

00:43:39.000 It can be low T. All the time.

00:43:42.000 They can always use low T.

00:43:43.000 They are free to do that.

00:43:44.000 That is site style.

00:43:45.000 So, there's news here on the show that you guys can hear about.

00:43:48.000 I think that people are willing to forgive Paxton for any past injuries.

00:43:52.000 I'm going to be honest with you.

00:43:53.000 I haven't gone through them to the extent where I know if the court of public opinion has been accurate in them convicting him of this stuff.

00:44:00.000 But I do think that when he gets to Washington, he's going to be a leader.

00:44:03.000 He's going to fight the bad guys.

00:44:04.000 He's going to fight the corporations.

00:44:05.000 He's going to fight the establishment.

00:44:07.000 And I just think the voter base of Texas is going to be very excited for that by November.

00:44:12.000 I mean, I believe that Paxton would have won without Trump's endorsement.

00:44:16.000 I really believe that.

00:44:18.000 Do you agree?

00:44:19.000 And what does that mean if true?

00:44:22.000 I think he probably would have if Trump did not endorse.

00:44:25.000 And I got to think a little harder about it.

00:44:28.000 If Trump chose to endorse Cornyn, could he have overcome it?

00:44:31.000 And I do think there is a possibility, which is why your question is so interesting.

00:44:35.000 Because again, I think that people are so fed up with the fact that Cornyn 24 years in the Senate and can't point to a single accomplishment.

00:44:43.000 And none of you can.

00:44:44.000 There's none of you in the audience who can think of one thing.

00:44:46.000 Please look me up on the Everything app.

00:44:49.000 DM me if there's something that Cornyn did.

00:44:51.000 I got one.

00:44:53.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:44:54.000 He raised $400 million for the Senate.

00:44:59.000 And then he spent $150 on his own race.

00:45:03.000 Might as well have lit it on fire. 0.93

00:45:03.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:45:05.000 Do you want to know something, Andrew?

00:45:07.000 I bet you John Cornyn knows that.

00:45:08.000 I bet you if you ask John Cornyn, what's your favorite thing, he'd probably say, Yeah, I probably could have done more in my time.

00:45:15.000 Quarter century.

00:45:16.000 So it's the if you fit him in private.

00:45:19.000 And I think that's the main thing that it works.

00:45:21.000 Here.

00:45:21.000 I think the audience gets it.

00:45:23.000 People are dialed in now.

00:45:24.000 People pay attention.

00:45:24.000 People are smart.

00:45:26.000 And I think they understand that.

00:45:27.000 So I do think Trump's values are in command.

00:45:30.000 And I think that's very good.

00:45:32.000 I think Trump's mosaic, where he picks and chooses the best ideas from Democrats of yesteryear, from populists, and even occasionally the establishment, he seemed to take everyone's best ideas.

00:45:41.000 I think that's the ascendant political worldview right now on the right.

00:45:45.000 So I want to flag something that Tala Rico said.

00:45:49.000 I want to thank, he said this last night as the results came in.

00:45:51.000 I want to thank Senator John Cornyn for his years representing our state.

00:45:55.000 We don't agree on everything, but we still believe in public service.

00:45:58.000 To Senator Cornyn's supporters, you have a place in our campaign.

00:46:03.000 Is this going to work on anyone?

00:46:06.000 That's awful.

00:46:06.000 Who are these people?

00:46:07.000 I don't think so.

00:46:08.000 I think Cornyn already said he's going to support the Republican ticket.

00:46:11.000 I think that's what Cornyn is.

00:46:12.000 So it's just so lame.

00:46:15.000 And again, Tallarico doesn't stand for anything.

00:46:17.000 What does he stand for?

00:46:18.000 This is the whole point.

00:46:19.000 This is the Democrat, the elephant in the room.

00:46:21.000 They've got the weirdest people imaginable.

00:46:23.000 They've got Hassan Piker, Graham Platner, James Tallarico.

00:46:26.000 That's the face of the party.

00:46:27.000 And what do they stand for?

00:46:28.000 Calling people like me and you racist.

00:46:29.000 They can't disavow their streak of political violence.

00:46:33.000 It is really going to be a tough slog for them.

00:46:35.000 They've got a map that could maybe save them.

00:46:38.000 And maybe some of Trump's policies are not totally popular yet.

00:46:41.000 But overall, they're really putting together a pretty lame slate for a midterm year.

00:46:44.000 Don't forget that James Tallarico was front and center when all the Democrats fled Texas to avoid getting arrested.

00:46:52.000 I mean, he was like their, you know, he was out front.

00:46:56.000 I mean, he was leading that charge.

00:46:58.000 And it was total lawlessness and chaos.

00:47:01.000 So.

00:47:01.000 Alex, something near and dear to our heart here on the show, because it was close to Charlie's heart, is higher education.

00:47:08.000 And we got to destroy and crush the college cabal.

00:47:11.000 Make it better, actually, right?

00:47:14.000 We actually love learning here. 0.99

00:47:15.000 We don't like wokeness.

00:47:16.000 We don't like exorbitant costs that push off family formation and home buying and the American dream.

00:47:22.000 But two interesting stories that I just happened to notice, and they seem connected.

00:47:28.000 One is at Harvard University, the faculty is demanding a return to a, I guess, courses will limit A grades to only 20% of enrollment.

00:47:40.000 So, Over the last two decades, Alex, at Harvard, A grades had ballooned to about 60% of students.

00:47:47.000 They were getting A's, total grade inflation.

00:47:49.000 20 years ago, it was only 25%.

00:47:51.000 Now they're demanding it go back to 20%.

00:47:54.000 Meanwhile, in California, near and dear to your heart, Alex, the UC faculty is demanding a return to standardized test scores because it has become so bad, especially in STEM fields, that they are having to return to teaching middle school math to some of the enrollees.

00:48:15.000 Your take.

00:48:16.000 Yeah, I think this all starts with the teachers' unions.

00:48:18.000 This has been the original sin of America's failing education system, which are essentially just vehicles for Democrat left wing politics, try to woke fire schools.

00:48:26.000 They've ruined our primary and secondary schools, and I think that's part of the problem that gets up to the universities.

00:48:32.000 The federal government, of course, has ruined the universities in many ways by allowing these loans, which have just been slush funds for the universities.

00:48:38.000 So students borrow on the cheap, and it just all goes to these universities, makes them all fat and happy.

00:48:44.000 There's no diversity there.

00:48:45.000 So, as Charlie wrote better than anyone, I mean, this is a completely broken system, and there's really not a lot of hope that things could fix it. 0.78

00:48:53.000 These are probably good starts, but they're not going to call out the real problems.

00:48:56.000 They're not going to say the unions need to get out of the way in the public schools and we need to start having excellence.

00:49:01.000 We need to start demanding parents step up and work more with their kids, their students, so that there's a higher demand on excellence at a younger age.

00:49:09.000 None of that stuff's going to make it all the way down to the families and the communities, but it is at least nice to acknowledge that perhaps.

00:49:17.000 Under left wing guidance, our schools have just failed.

00:49:20.000 They just crashed.

00:49:21.000 Well, it's just we basically did three decades worth of institutional destruction in the course of one or two years, circa 2020.

00:49:31.000 We had the abolish the police virus, which a lot of people remember, which manifested not just in terms of cutting police officers, but making it harder for them to do their job, telling them don't enforce certain laws.

00:49:42.000 And so we had a surge of murders, a surge of thefts, a surge of car crashes.

00:49:46.000 That's underappreciated.

00:49:48.000 And the school version of this is.

00:49:50.000 In a matter of weeks, you just had this cascade of schools saying, We're going to get rid of not just standardized tests, but a lot of them gutted the integrity of their classes where you can get infinite accommodations for your finals.

00:50:04.000 You maybe don't need to take a final at all.

00:50:06.000 You can retake assignments over and over again.

00:50:09.000 And this also infests lower levels of school.

00:50:11.000 And we've just totally gotten away from what is, frankly, an obvious fact, which is you can't measure any form of ability or knowledge acquisition unless it's possible to fail.

00:50:23.000 And if there's a real expectation that you need to show mastery, and if we don't have that, why do we even spend billions of dollars on the school system at all?

00:50:31.000 Just set up a bunch of daycares because that's all they are.

00:50:34.000 Yeah, that's what they are.

00:50:35.000 So it's really when we got away from any sort of a standard, when we got away from we're trying to have it be a meritocratic education system.

00:50:44.000 Once we opened that up, once it became a slippery slope that was inevitably we were going to prioritize things like diversity and wokeness and the priorities of the people who funnel the most money into the system, like the universities.

00:50:56.000 And that's just what it became. 0.89

00:50:58.000 It just, these schools are just incubators for the dumbest ideas on the planet, as Charlie often would point out. 0.76

00:51:03.000 And they're not really, if they're not even a semblance of what they could have been, should we start valuing merit again? 0.92

00:51:12.000 Well, you know, it's interesting here.

00:51:13.000 I actually look at this as like a broader cultural trend.

00:51:16.000 And so I'll direct my remarks to the accelerationists, the burn it all down people.

00:51:21.000 Let's just let Democrats take control so we can create a Republican party more in our image.

00:51:26.000 Okay.

00:51:27.000 This is all about a concept of headship.

00:51:30.000 Okay.

00:51:30.000 When at the top of your culture, your family, your business, your country, you have a strong leader that demands.

00:51:38.000 Change and transformation and getting back to things like meritocracy, the abolishment of DEI, that tends to filter down even when they fight you, right?

00:51:46.000 So you got lawsuits against Harvard, you got lawsuits against Columbia, you got lawsuits against California schools.

00:51:52.000 Eventually, that headship starts to filter down throughout the rest of your culture.

00:51:57.000 And you're seeing that in higher education as the vibe shift happens, as the feelings towards meritocracy shift, and as we sort of get past some of these dumber ideas of the woke.

00:52:08.000 You're seeing this transformation, which can ultimately have a profound transformational effect on your entire culture.

00:52:14.000 You're seeing this in higher education now.

00:52:16.000 If you go back to the 1930s, for example, there's a little known story about the NYPD, where they had standardized civic service exams.

00:52:26.000 Blake might know this.

00:52:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:27.000 So, this is the infamous test where they just said it was the Great Depression.

00:52:30.000 And they just said, well, we need to hire some people.

00:52:33.000 Just give a test, basically, just an IQ test, hire the best performers.

00:52:36.000 Only the best performers.

00:52:37.000 No other rules, no other standards.

00:52:38.000 And, of course, this was the greatest hiring class.

00:52:40.000 In NYPD.

00:52:41.000 The greatest hiring class ever.

00:52:42.000 They called it a class of geniuses.

00:52:45.000 And these people were all promoted to higher ranks.

00:52:47.000 Crime dropped like a rock.

00:52:49.000 It was absolute pure meritocracy distilled down at the most basic local civic level.

00:52:57.000 And guess what?

00:52:57.000 The results were magnificent.

00:53:00.000 We could see that across the country if we just got back to super simple standard things like, oh, standardized test scores at higher education.

00:53:07.000 We see this again.

00:53:08.000 And Alex, I'm trying to bring in California for you because I know it's near and dear to you.

00:53:13.000 You see this with what's happening in the Spencer Pratt campaign.

00:53:19.000 And I believe this fundamentally.

00:53:21.000 The reason that he's having success, yes, he's a great campaigner, but it's not ideological.

00:53:27.000 It's about competence at the local level.

00:53:29.000 Being a mayor is not can you be the most communist mayor on the planet, Mayor Mamdani or Karen Bass.

00:53:34.000 It's can you balance the books?

00:53:36.000 Can you clean up the potholes and the graffiti and the homelessness?

00:53:40.000 And that's why he's having such resonance, I think, in the city of Los Angeles.

00:53:44.000 But before I get ahead of myself, Alex, you know the city well.

00:53:48.000 Does Spencer Pratt have any chance of actually pulling this off?

00:53:53.000 I really make a point not to be a total bummer.

00:53:55.000 So I'm not going to give you my taken out of context answer.

00:54:00.000 But I will tell you this I love everything he's talking about to the point that he's demanding competence from our leadership, and we need that.

00:54:07.000 What my biggest fear is first of all, the unions, yet again, are Democrat political arms.

00:54:12.000 They run the city, and wherever the unions go, if they're in lockstep behind a certain candidate, that candidate always wins, and he's going to have to.

00:54:19.000 He's going to have to break that mold and he's going to have to do it by getting liberal Democrats to vote for him because all the Republicans have left.

00:54:26.000 Like for me, for example, I live in LA County.

00:54:29.000 I live just north of the city of LA.

00:54:30.000 I can't even go vote for him, which I would love to do because I live by five miles.

00:54:34.000 I don't live in the city, technically.

00:54:36.000 So he's got to get actual liberal Democrats to show up and vote for him.

00:54:39.000 And maybe he can do it because, again, he's so nonpartisan.

00:54:41.000 He's only talking about competence.

00:54:43.000 And I love it.

00:54:44.000 But I got the proofs in the pudding.

00:54:46.000 What about Steve Hilton?

00:54:48.000 15 seconds. 0.88

00:54:50.000 A better chance in the sense that the Democrats blew up their own spot with their ridiculous jungle primary system.

00:54:57.000 But the path is much easier if Hilton and Bianco are the top two vote getters in the primary, which seems far, far fetched still.

00:55:05.000 We can hope.

00:55:06.000 Alex Marlowe, host of the Alex Marlowe Show and editor in chief of Breitbart.

00:55:09.000 Thank you, my friend.

00:55:10.000 We'll see you soon.

00:55:11.000 Thanks, guys.

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00:56:32.000 All right.

00:56:32.000 Without further ado, we have Josie, the redheaded libertarian.

00:56:37.000 She is the host of the Josie Show.

00:56:40.000 She is a Tim Cass contributor. 0.99

00:56:42.000 And you might know her online as the redheaded libertarian.

00:56:45.000 I guess small L, right, Josie?

00:56:47.000 Not big L?

00:56:48.000 Yes.

00:56:48.000 I got that right.

00:56:49.000 Small L. 0.91

00:56:50.000 I know that's a very important distinction.

00:56:53.000 So, Josie, so good to have you.

00:56:54.000 You are one of my favorite followers on X.

00:56:57.000 I think you are smart.

00:56:58.000 I think you are the opposite of cringe, whatever that is.

00:57:02.000 You tell it like it is, and you're very insightful and just great analysis.

00:57:07.000 And I wanted to have you on because.

00:57:10.000 I got myself into a little bit of a back and forth with Thomas Massey accidentally. 0.99

00:57:14.000 I did my best, Josie, to try and stay out of that race. 0.94

00:57:17.000 I really did. 1.00

00:57:18.000 Because two things can be true at once.

00:57:21.000 And that is that Charlie had great respect for Thomas Massey, and he also had great respect for the president.

00:57:27.000 And I also, like I said, I did try and stay out.

00:57:30.000 I didn't make any comments about it before the election, before the last Tuesday election.

00:57:35.000 But we had a caller call in on Friday.

00:57:39.000 So it was after the election.

00:57:40.000 Results were already in.

00:57:41.000 He had lost, he had conceded.

00:57:42.000 And they asked about it.

00:57:43.000 And I explained that, yeah, I did have a private conversation with Charlie after the big beautiful bill where he expressed frustration.

00:57:50.000 Okay.

00:57:51.000 So then Mr. Thomas Massey, somebody clipped it, and Thomas Massey sort of alleged that I was, or this show was distributed by Israel or something, which is not at all true.

00:58:03.000 We're here on Real America's Voice.

00:58:05.000 Israel does not control us.

00:58:07.000 We're not beholden to Israel. 0.51

00:58:08.000 All of that is true as well.

00:58:10.000 But in general terms, in broader terms, besides that little scuffle, I'm not an enemy to libertarians.

00:58:19.000 I don't agree with libertarianism and a lot of things, but I also understand that we make better friends than enemies. 0.87

00:58:24.000 And I want to make sure that we're paying heed to this because if you look at the generational breakdown of that race, that is the thing that gives me most pause.

00:58:34.000 It was the 65 and over that went really hard for Galrain.

00:58:37.000 Anybody under 65, however, Josie, was big for Massey.

00:58:42.000 And Massey is not my enemy.

00:58:44.000 We did not get involved in that.

00:58:46.000 I want to make sure that we are.

00:58:48.000 Uniting the clans, not dividing them.

00:58:51.000 And so, I guess the question to you, Josie, is what right now is inside the libertarian mind and thinking?

00:58:57.000 What are the problem spots?

00:58:58.000 What do we need to be aware of?

00:58:59.000 And then I want to talk about solutions because we need to grow the coalition, not shrink it.

00:59:05.000 And I'm afraid that after the Massey loss, there's a lot of libertarians that are feeling betrayed by MAGA.

00:59:11.000 That's a really great way to put it.

00:59:13.000 So, it wasn't just MAGA that got Trump elected.

00:59:17.000 It was the coalition, as you said, it was MAHA, those MAHA moms, it was the libertarians, it was disaffected liberals, and they all came together.

00:59:25.000 On a common platform, we don't want war.

00:59:28.000 We want healthier food.

00:59:29.000 We want the spending to go down.

00:59:31.000 We want less debt.

00:59:34.000 You know, it was all things that are very universal.

00:59:36.000 And Trump came with this platform that promised all of these things.

00:59:41.000 And so we all united behind him.

00:59:44.000 And when it comes to libertarians, I mean, I'm a small L libertarian.

00:59:49.000 So there's, I do want to explain this.

00:59:51.000 So small L libertarians and small L libertarians.

00:59:56.000 I'm very constitutional, very Bill of Rights, very sort of founding fathers. 0.95

01:00:00.000 That's what a small L libertarian is.

01:00:02.000 And that's like Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, Mike Lee.

01:00:05.000 They're all small L libertarians as well.

01:00:07.000 When it comes to big L libertarians, those are the people in the party who might, you know, take their clothes off and stand on stage and say that we should sell crack to babies. 0.57

01:00:17.000 Those are big L libertarians.

01:00:19.000 So they're two very, very different things.

01:00:21.000 So even in my title on X, I'm the redheaded libertarian.

01:00:24.000 I have a small L, and that drives people crazy, but it's a very important distinction.

01:00:27.000 Make sure we get that distinction on the lower third there.

01:00:30.000 For can we change that to the redheaded small L libertarian? 0.89

01:00:33.000 Okay, continue. 0.63

01:00:35.000 All right, so, so when it came to and and that that split, so all I like Angela McArdle did a lot of work between the Libertarian Party and MAGA while we were helping to try to get Trump into office because there was a coalition, there were common goals.

01:00:52.000 And you know, what sucks is we don't have libertarians, small L libertarians don't have very much representation.

01:01:00.000 We don't have very much representation.

01:01:02.000 And was it $25 million was put into getting rid of our representation?

01:01:09.000 And that's going to be really hard for the small L libertarians to come back from.

01:01:13.000 Now, small L libertarians don't, we don't go to the Democrat side.

01:01:19.000 Okay.

01:01:19.000 We just like what Thomas Massey had said probably a few years ago, he said, you know, there's a reason why all the small L libertarians in Congress have an R by their name because that's how we get that representation.

01:01:30.000 So we're not going to go become Democrats.

01:01:32.000 We're not going to go vote for Democrats.

01:01:34.000 What happens is we were excited to vote for Trump.

01:01:37.000 We were really excited.

01:01:38.000 We really believed in his message.

01:01:42.000 And now we're demoralized.

01:01:45.000 Now there's a demoralization and demoralized people don't vote.

01:01:49.000 You know, they're like, all right, whatever.

01:01:50.000 You know, we were betrayed once.

01:01:51.000 Why would we ever trust this again?

01:01:54.000 So that's going to be the issue with getting the small L libertarians back on board is the demoralization.

01:01:59.000 However, the way that we should go forward with this is there is a.

01:02:05.000 Post Trump future.

01:02:07.000 There is going to be a time where he is no longer in office and there's never going to be a populist like him again.

01:02:12.000 So, when it comes to that, that's what small libertarians need to figure out how to vote, how to get behind that message, and how to kind of get the message of the Constitution and that back into the agenda.

01:02:27.000 Right.

01:02:29.000 Well, listen, Josie.

01:02:31.000 Oh, so go ahead.

01:02:31.000 Well, I was just thinking, like, what does stand out for that libertarian faction?

01:02:35.000 Because what stands out with me with Massey, for example, he was.

01:02:39.000 Is famous as one of the more libertarian members of Congress, but his branding over the past year is not on what I would say is a particularly libertarian issue.

01:02:48.000 I don't know that there's a specific libertarian nexus to Epstein stuff, but what are the issues that stand out the most to small L libertarians in your view?

01:02:59.000 Spending, abiding by the Constitution.

01:03:02.000 So one thing that Thomas Massey does is he is rigidly for the Constitution.

01:03:09.000 And that's okay.

01:03:10.000 That's how we're supposed to be.

01:03:12.000 Once you make one compromise, that leads to another compromise, which leads to another.

01:03:14.000 And where do you draw the line?

01:03:16.000 So he doesn't ever bend against that.

01:03:18.000 Everything he's done is for the Constitution, for the country, for what our founders envisioned, every single thing.

01:03:25.000 So we would like to hold as close to that as possible because, you know, compromises lead to more compromises.

01:03:31.000 And at what point do you draw the line?

01:03:32.000 What point do you say, okay, no more compromises?

01:03:34.000 We shouldn't compromise the Constitution at all.

01:03:36.000 It's the law of the land.

01:03:37.000 Yeah, so Josie, I actually want to keep taking our medicine here because I think it's important.

01:03:44.000 We had another segment with you, and we can focus on the future there, but I want to make sure we learn the lesson of the present right now.

01:03:49.000 So, for example, I will give.

01:03:51.000 Thomas Massey credit with the big beautiful bill, for example, like he stripped some things out of that, ultimately got some stuff accomplished, then still didn't vote for the final bill, but I think that was still productive, right?

01:04:02.000 And I love him on Maha.

01:04:04.000 I love him on spending.

01:04:05.000 I love him on war. 0.83

01:04:07.000 The question is right now, where are small L libertarians feeling most betrayed?

01:04:12.000 I understand the race with Massey is demoralizing and a lot might stay home.

01:04:17.000 And I think that's a problem.

01:04:19.000 But what other issues is it the war?

01:04:22.000 Is it Israel? 0.77

01:04:23.000 Is it a sense of corruption or spending too much? 0.66

01:04:28.000 What are the key?

01:04:30.000 Say that again.

01:04:30.000 It's the wars.

01:04:31.000 It's the foreign aid.

01:04:33.000 Those are the things.

01:04:34.000 So when Trump came to the Libertarian Convention to talk to the Libertarians, he made us, he made the country 20 promises.

01:04:43.000 He made us about 32 different promises, sort of statement promises and then implied promises. 0.66

01:04:50.000 So he said, I'm the anti war president. 0.78

01:04:54.000 And what are we supposed to think from that?

01:04:56.000 And then about cutting grenade, he promised to get the neocons out of the establishment and drain it of the globalists and drain it of the communists.

01:05:03.000 And I feel like he's got Lindsey Graham standing next to him on every take endorsing this war with Iran.

01:05:10.000 And that's against.

01:05:12.000 And one thing that I've heard more than anything is when President Trump encouraged people to listen to Mark Levin and Mark Thiessen, I have heard that.

01:05:24.000 So many times being like, people just being like, what are we doing here?

01:05:28.000 Because that did feel, I think, especially to a small L libertarian, like a betrayal of maybe the things he said to the convention.

01:05:37.000 But continue.

01:05:38.000 Yes.

01:05:38.000 So it's the foreign aid.

01:05:41.000 The big beautiful bill, for instance, had hundreds of millions of dollars going to like Egypt.

01:05:46.000 That's not a kitchen table issue to me.

01:05:48.000 You know, hundreds of like going, then we had Israel.

01:05:50.000 There were actually two different sets of money that were going to Israel.

01:05:55.000 So it's all this foreign aid.

01:05:56.000 Then there was, there's nothing about, The Save Act wasn't put into the big beautiful bill.

01:06:00.000 There were things that were sort of promised to go into it that weren't into it because Thomas Massey couldn't get them in.

01:06:04.000 And there's a deep state that's still there, no matter what we want to think, that's preventing a lot of the stuff that needed to go into the bill to not go into the bill.

01:06:11.000 So there was still a tremendous amount of spending.

01:06:13.000 We were still going to have a deficit problem.

01:06:16.000 And Thomas Massey has always voted against spending.

01:06:19.000 The one time he didn't vote against spending, it was one time.

01:06:22.000 And that was because he was told that, or into the bill was written that there would be a 1% cut in spending every single year.

01:06:31.000 And so he's like, well, I'll vote for that because that's a cut in spending.

01:06:34.000 So he did.

01:06:35.000 And then right after that, it was stripped from the bill.

01:06:38.000 You can look this up.

01:06:39.000 Wow.

01:06:40.000 Okay.

01:06:40.000 I got a note from somebody that's watching the show right now, and they totally disagreed with my take.

01:06:49.000 And they said, What pissed people off is his words, is the grandstanding on Epstein and Israel.

01:06:56.000 He went from being principled to searching for clicks.

01:06:59.000 Now, that's not my words.

01:07:00.000 I'm just somebody's getting mad at me, and that's their perception of Thomas Massey.

01:07:04.000 Maybe address that. 0.56

01:07:05.000 Well, he ran on the platform that Trump ran on before he got elected I'm going to reveal the Epstein files.

01:07:12.000 And. 0.79

01:07:12.000 I mean, I've only read them because of him. 0.79

01:07:15.000 I've been through them.

01:07:16.000 I've read as many as I could.

01:07:18.000 There are 3 million of them.

01:07:20.000 But we only know what happened because of them.

01:07:24.000 We know Lex Wexner was very involved.

01:07:28.000 We know Howard Lutnick lied to Congress.

01:07:33.000 We know all of this now.

01:07:34.000 So there were Trump's friends that were getting embarrassed when this happened.

01:07:39.000 And I mean, then there was a ton of money that came after him for that.

01:07:42.000 It wasn't him searching for clicks.

01:07:43.000 It was him running on trump's platform because that's what his constituents voted for and that's what they were promised, and that was him trying to fulfill that.

01:07:52.000 And I know it might feel like clicks, like trying to get clicks, but if you know who Thomas Massey is, he's very principled.

01:07:59.000 And no, I listen, and that has long been the way people perceived him.

01:08:05.000 He was just this like MIT guy that, you know, I think doesn't he do like raw milk and all that stuff?

01:08:11.000 He does that, right?

01:08:12.000 Yeah.

01:08:12.000 He's very principled, and there's a lot of stuff to really admire about him.

01:08:17.000 I certainly agree.

01:08:18.000 But, you know, I think what This is getting at is when it was like, you know, the Ro Khanna and the, you know, calling Republicans the pedo protection party and things like that.

01:08:29.000 I think, I think, you know, eventually you're going to make some enemies when you do that sort of thing.

01:08:34.000 So I listen, I understand both sides of the argument.

01:08:36.000 I was going to be willing to live with whatever the results were.

01:08:39.000 But again, learning our lessons here because I want to make sure that we don't alienate the small L libertarians.

01:08:45.000 I think it's really important to build the coalition as big as we can.

01:08:49.000 Politics is about addition, not subtraction.

01:08:52.000 Okay.

01:08:52.000 So, How big of a deal, and is there any coming back?

01:08:56.000 Because you mentioned the Iran war.

01:08:58.000 You know, we've got this potential peace deal on the table right now that I'm hoping gets over the finish line.

01:09:04.000 I'm certainly praying for peace.

01:09:06.000 I want us to focus domestically.

01:09:07.000 I want us to get rid of Lindsey Graham. 0.86

01:09:09.000 I want the warmongers out.

01:09:11.000 I want to stop it. 0.95

01:09:12.000 Peace is the future.

01:09:13.000 I really believe that.

01:09:15.000 Can we overcome the Massey loss, the demoralization?

01:09:22.000 Will the peace deal make a significant improvement in that, or is it too little, too late?

01:09:27.000 The peace deal will be very helpful.

01:09:30.000 Massey filed paperwork to run for something in 2028, and that's going to give small libertarians some degree of hope, whether it's to get his seat back from Ed Galrain.

01:09:44.000 I don't know if they're going to put another $25 million to take the seat away.

01:09:48.000 I don't know.

01:09:49.000 Trump will be on his way out the door at that point.

01:09:51.000 So that'll give small libertarians something to rally behind.

01:09:56.000 But aside from that, It's the spending and it's the war.

01:09:59.000 And those are the really big things.

01:10:02.000 Massey was the one who went on the floor and he demanded a quorum.

01:10:06.000 He demanded that people for the CARES Act didn't stay home and that the Congress went to work and they voted so that the country wouldn't die in an empty chamber.

01:10:17.000 It's a very famous speech that never would have happened if we didn't have a principled constitutionalist in Congress.

01:10:25.000 So it's really hard that we're not going to have that anymore.

01:10:28.000 for another two years and just the things that could happen, the things that won't be exposed because of that.

01:10:34.000 But Trump can, and it's not just the small libertarians, it's the young people.

01:10:39.000 I mean, it's the people TPUSA serves.

01:10:41.000 No, I totally, this is why I'm having this conversation, Josie, because you're right.

01:10:45.000 It's not just the small, it's to the extent that young people are engaged in politics, a lot of it is tinged with the small libertarian.

01:10:53.000 I mean, a lot of young people just think that way intuitively.

01:10:57.000 And I think that's great and fine because it, again, this adherence to the Constitution, these foundational principles, I think it's really important. 0.91

01:11:06.000 And this is why I took such note of the Massey race, is because I saw the demographic breakdown.

01:11:12.000 So if you are not 65, you are voting for Thomas Massey. 0.73

01:11:15.000 It is, in some ways, the future.

01:11:17.000 Now, some of those people might shift their voting patterns as they get older.

01:11:20.000 I don't know.

01:11:21.000 But the point is, this is really important that we deal with this because a lot of these kids are going to stay home.

01:11:26.000 A lot of these kids, they don't know how to defend what's happening in Iran, they don't know how to defend any tinge of censorship, right?

01:11:34.000 So these are these big overarching issues and basic principles that we need to.

01:11:38.000 Adhere to if we're going to have any hope.

01:11:41.000 The question, I guess, is, and I'm kind of getting at different angles of this, but is hope lost or can we recruit these people back to show up, maybe not for the midterms, but 2028?

01:11:53.000 Trump needs to leave Thomas Massey alone forever.

01:11:55.000 Like he needs to drop it with that because every single time he says he does anything against Thomas Massey, he loses more.

01:12:03.000 He loses more.

01:12:03.000 And he doesn't just lose the small libertarians, he loses the young people.

01:12:06.000 And so that's got to stop.

01:12:07.000 And I know he doesn't have Charlie as his advisor anymore, he has Mark Levin.

01:12:12.000 So that vacuum, that void that Charlie, when he left us, that was opened up to forces that are not for what he believed in, and they slid in, and now they're in his ear.

01:12:28.000 And so if somebody else could sort of get in there and talk to him, or if Mark Levin can get out of there, that would be the best thing for the country.

01:12:38.000 And when it comes to the young people, people always say our country was founded by a bunch of old white guys.

01:12:43.000 No, it was founded by guys in their 20s and 30s.

01:12:46.000 Thomas Jefferson was like 33.

01:12:50.000 This is the age of the Enlightenment.

01:12:52.000 This is the age that builds revolutions.

01:12:57.000 And that's why it's so appealing to Turning Point USA and to the small libertarians who aren't that young anymore, but are still feeling that.

01:13:08.000 Well, I know, Josie, that I can't remember the context of it, but some sort of controversy, a little dust up on Twitter or something happened, and Charlie reached out to you.

01:13:20.000 I know it meant a lot to you where he said, Well, we'll keep you, Josie, with a smiley face.

01:13:24.000 And you put it up.

01:13:25.000 I didn't realize you told me that story, but I didn't realize you had it on your Twitter profile.

01:13:30.000 And I feel the same about you, Josie.

01:13:33.000 We'll keep you.

01:13:34.000 I think you're truly one of the good ones, and your heart is completely in the right place.

01:13:38.000 Even if we disagree about certain things, I know that you're always down to have a conversation and to talk it out.

01:13:44.000 And some people aren't.

01:13:45.000 And that's great about you.

01:13:47.000 And so, anyways, I hope people understood the heart of this conversation is that we need.

01:13:53.000 To keep the bridge with small L libertarianism, like even if you disagree with a bunch of the policies, you can understand that we need to grow the coalition and keep the coalition together.

01:14:04.000 And, you know, we need to keep young people engaged and give them hope.

01:14:09.000 And a lot of young people are very idealistic.

01:14:11.000 And when they see hypocrisy or the things that don't make sense, they tend to give in to nihilism.

01:14:16.000 We can't let that happen either.

01:14:17.000 So, Josie, the redheaded libertarian, small L, thank you for joining us today and for coming on.

01:14:23.000 It's great to be back.

01:14:24.000 Thank you.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 27, 2026

The False Christianity of Tofu Talarico

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