The Charlie Kirk Show - The False Religion of Anti-Racism with Voddie Baucham Jr. — Good Friday Special

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00:01:11.000 Joining us now is Vodi Bockham from, he does a great job, and he's a preacher, pastor, cultural apologist, and author of Fault Lines, a terrific book that is now turning into a 10-part video curriculum series.

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00:01:29.000 Vodie, welcome back to the program.

00:01:31.000 Hey, thank you very much for having me.

00:01:33.000 So several topics I want to talk about here.

00:01:36.000 And let's just start with the main premise of your book, Fault Lines.

00:01:39.000 What is it about and why did you write it?

00:01:42.000 You know, the subtitle is The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism's Looming Catastrophe. 0.64

00:01:48.000 And I wrote it because I believe that the social justice movement is a fault line of sorts and has been a fault line within evangelicalism.

00:01:58.000 It's dividing evangelicalism between people who are buying into this radical neo-Marxist ideology and the people who are opposing this radical neo-Marxist ideology.

00:02:09.000 So I wrote the book to sort of define terms and to inform people as to what's really going on and of the importance of responding to it biblically.

00:02:23.000 And so, you know, one of the things I was most moved by, you know, reading your book and studying it was how you go about kind of this social contagion, you could call it social contagion, or just kind of this idea of social justice and kind of where it comes from.

00:02:39.000 I want to play the trailer here just to give people a little taste.

00:02:41.000 Let's play Cut 66, please.

00:02:43.000 The religion of anti-racism and the religion of social justice has no redemption.

00:02:49.000 Christianity is a religion that's all about redemption.

00:02:53.000 It's all about the person and work of Jesus Christ.

00:02:57.000 It is not about you doing the work of anything.

00:03:04.000 The gospel will always be the gospel.

00:03:06.000 However, we are not always faithful in the way that we communicate the gospel.

00:03:12.000 We're doing this project because of love for the church.

00:03:18.000 I honestly believe that the critical social justice movement represents a threat.

00:03:25.000 We have to be right about what the word justice means and about what God requires of his people in this critical moment.

00:03:36.000 What God are you trying to appease?

00:03:41.000 So that's a really interesting question, right?

00:03:43.000 What God are you trying to appease?

00:03:46.000 What you articulate in that film is similar to a speech I've been giving at churches, the five fake religions that are dominating the West as Christianity becomes less popular. 0.97

00:03:55.000 And you said it perfectly, the religion of anti-racism.

00:03:57.000 Let's start with that one.

00:04:00.000 Why is that religion so heretical, so dangerous, and where does it come from? 1.00

00:04:05.000 Yeah, the phrase was popularized really with Ibram X. Kenby's book, How to Be an Anti-Racist, but the concept is broader than that.

00:04:14.000 It's been around longer than that.

00:04:16.000 And the idea is that there's not racism and then non-racism.

00:04:23.000 There's racism and then there's anti-racism.

00:04:25.000 And anti-racism is about doing the work that is required to dismantle racism.

00:04:34.000 You see, racism is seen as structural.

00:04:38.000 Racism is seen as baked into the society.

00:04:43.000 It's based on this sort of neo-Marxist picture of the oppressor and the oppressed.

00:04:49.000 So, anti-racism in that context is about undoing all of the cultural and structural and societal ills that create disparities between groups.

00:05:02.000 And because this work is never really done, the religion of anti-racism has no end, it has no ultimate redemption.

00:05:10.000 You just continue to do the work.

00:05:12.000 Endlessly.

00:05:14.000 Talk about how the religion of anti-racism is a counterfeit Christianity and other elements. 0.97

00:05:18.000 For example, original sin.

00:05:20.000 What is the original sin in the religion of anti-racism?

00:05:23.000 Yeah, the original sin in anti-racism is the sin of racism.

00:05:28.000 Or more particularly, you could say it's the sin of the invention of whiteness as a means of oppressing all those people who do not fit into the definition of whiteness. 0.67

00:05:41.000 So, whiteness, white supremacy, racism, this is seen as the original sin.

00:05:48.000 And everything that sort of advances that is seen as a perpetuation of that original sin.

00:05:54.000 So, you have whiteness and you have white supremacy, you know, white equilibrium and so on and so forth. 0.63

00:06:01.000 In fact, I devote a whole segment in this series to just defining those terms.

00:06:08.000 So, several things I want to explore with you in that topic in particular.

00:06:13.000 So, you say there's no redemption.

00:06:15.000 Well, therefore, why is it attractive for people to keep on doing the work?

00:06:18.000 Doesn't that just keep you in a perpetual state of torment?

00:06:22.000 It really does.

00:06:23.000 And, you know, providentially, that's one of the things that is turning people away from this false.

00:06:29.000 So, that's good.

00:06:29.000 Praise God for that.

00:06:30.000 There's only so much pressure, I guess, you could take, right?

00:06:34.000 Exactly.

00:06:35.000 And so, you have people who are very sincere, right?

00:06:37.000 And they start doing the work and they start, you know, trying to dismantle all of these structures.

00:06:43.000 And then all of a sudden, something happens and they speak out in a way that is not approved by the anti-racist mob.

00:06:56.000 And then, all of a sudden, all of the work that they've done is completely dismissed and they are completely disqualified.

00:07:04.000 And they start over again at ground zero because whatever it is, you can do a thousand things right, but the one thing that you do wrong proves that you're not truly an anti-racist and that you were really a racist all along.

00:07:18.000 Well, you know, this can only happen a few times before people throw up their hands and say, you know, I'm done with this.

00:07:24.000 Yeah.

00:07:25.000 And there's only so much you're going to take.

00:07:27.000 We're like, wait a second, I've donated to BLM every day.

00:07:30.000 And I, and no, no, you're still in a place of torment.

00:07:34.000 You're still in a place of self-hatred.

00:07:36.000 You're still in a state of self-loathing.

00:07:39.000 So, so vote-y light.

00:07:40.000 And all it takes is one case.

00:07:42.000 All it takes is one case where, you know, something happens to a person of color and you see the evidence and the police were 100% in the right. 0.89

00:07:53.000 And you just acknowledge the fact that, well, in this case, the police seem to be 100% in the right.

00:07:58.000 And then bam, there it is. 0.99

00:08:00.000 You're a racist. 1.00

00:08:02.000 We knew it all along. 1.00

00:08:04.000 You know, just one instance like that is all it takes.

00:08:08.000 So focusing on that word whiteness, that's a strange term.

00:08:12.000 Where does it come from and what does it mean?

00:08:15.000 It sort of depends on who you ask.

00:08:18.000 But the idea is that, you know, within the last couple of hundred years, you know, white European descendants created this racial classification in order to distinguish themselves from all other peoples.

00:08:37.000 And that this distinction was established in order to put them at the top of the racial pyramid and to accrue benefits to them that would not accrue to other people by virtue of them not qualifying as part of this new race or class.

00:09:00.000 And one of the components of the religion of anti-racism is that it becomes tyrannical awfully quickly, is that it almost gives people a moral license that once you are given the merit badge of a victim, you then can become a victimizer.

00:09:16.000 Yeah, I tell people all the time, one of the most important books you can read right now is Animal Farm.

00:09:23.000 That's correct by George Williams.

00:09:24.000 That's absolutely what we're seeing, right? 0.92

00:09:27.000 Yeah, the pigs are running everything now and they're oppressing the rest of the animals.

00:09:31.000 That's exactly what it does. 0.63

00:09:33.000 Because, you know, Marxism is right in that oppression is real, but oppression comes from sin, not from being part of a particular group.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, and it does, that's exactly right.

00:09:45.000 And the truth of Christianity is against sectarianism. 0.78

00:09:51.000 It's against tribal guilt and tribal indictment and tribal stereotyping.

00:09:56.000 It's one of the truths of Christianity.

00:09:59.000 And it's a great moral advancement that you apply that to your system of laws, that we're not going to judge you based on the group you come from.

00:10:08.000 It's immoral.

00:10:09.000 It's wrong.

00:10:10.000 In fact, we're going to advance beyond that, that you're accountable for whether or not you accept Jesus or not.

00:10:15.000 You're accountable for your crimes and your actions.

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00:11:27.000 So, Vodi, let me ask you why or how?

00:11:31.000 I mean, there's so many different ways to phrase the question.

00:11:34.000 In your teaching series that people can find at SalemNow.com, Fault Lines, you talk about social justice, the religion of anti-racism.

00:11:42.000 Why is this taking over American Christianity? 0.99

00:11:44.000 How is it possible?

00:11:45.000 It's such a bad idea.

00:11:46.000 It's so demonic.

00:11:47.000 It's so against the word of God.

00:11:48.000 How is this possible?

00:11:50.000 Yeah, well, I don't think it's necessarily taking over American Christianity.

00:11:55.000 I think it had a big foothold over the last couple of years, and that's because it is very sinister and sneaky.

00:12:04.000 You know, you use phrases like diversity and equity and inclusion and social justice and racial justice and anti-racism.

00:12:15.000 These all sound like very good things, right?

00:12:17.000 And they sound like things that the church has always been about.

00:12:22.000 You know, that you can go to the scriptures and you see the right pictures of these things.

00:12:30.000 But this movement, this critical Marxist, you know, critical just critical theory movement, you know, critical social justice movement, it's using these words and these phrases and pouring meaning into them that is antithetical to what we see in scripture.

00:12:47.000 And I think that's why people are waking up to this now.

00:12:51.000 Now, there are some people who are dying the wool, right?

00:12:54.000 And we've seen liberation theology and other movements that are Marxist movements, you know, within certain Christian groups and Christian sects.

00:13:03.000 But by and large, Christians reject these ideas.

00:13:06.000 And right now, I think people are, there's a sort of backlash.

00:13:10.000 But at the same time, people are trying to figure out, you know, how do we do the right things that these words are supposed to point to without embracing this ideology that's antithetical?

00:13:21.000 Yes.

00:13:22.000 So, Savodi, some people say, well, it's a helpful framework or it's an analytical tool.

00:13:27.000 I mean, I will take your word for it because you know the health of American Christianity better than I do, because I certainly look at things when I see political triggers and I probably might be overgeneralizing.

00:13:39.000 But let me just ask you one challenging question on that.

00:13:42.000 Isn't it true that a fair amount of seminaries are embracing some of this critical thinking or at least cousins of it or, you know, let's just say a poor man's version of it?

00:13:53.000 Is that fair to say?

00:13:54.000 It is.

00:13:55.000 It is fair to say.

00:13:56.000 And there are different reasons.

00:13:58.000 Here's what's ironic.

00:14:00.000 In some instances, what has happened is, you know, seminaries over the last 20, 30 years have acknowledged the fact that there has been less representation of minorities than they wanted or than they were interested in.

00:14:15.000 I remember being courted when I was a seminary student and basically, you know, people saying, hey, there's just not a lot of black professors in our seminaries and people trying to sort of walk me through this academic process and say, you know, it'd be great if you go ahead and finish do your doctorate and maybe teach this, that, and the other.

00:14:34.000 And so there have been a number of black professors and other minority professors who have ascended the ranks in recent years in these seminaries.

00:14:44.000 Well, now all of a sudden, these same guys begin to espouse, you know, critical theory and critical race theory.

00:14:53.000 And these seminaries are sort of in a catch-22.

00:14:58.000 Because on the one hand, you know, they wanted to have these guys there and they're proud of the fact that they have this representation.

00:15:04.000 On the other hand, these guys are teaching something that is anathema.

00:15:09.000 And if you get rid of them, immediately the response is, oh, well, you weren't as committed to diversity as you said you were.

00:15:17.000 So it was a very difficult position for people to be put in.

00:15:21.000 Yeah.

00:15:22.000 And I just, I think we shouldn't have tolerance for evil, right?

00:15:25.000 And I think these ideas are evil.

00:15:28.000 And man, you're a hero in my book, Vodi, for your moral clarity and your courage.

00:15:33.000 And you always go back to the word of God as the reason as to why this is heretical and why this is dangerous.

00:15:39.000 Some Christians say, but Charlie, I don't want to be called a racist.

00:15:42.000 Your reaction.

00:15:44.000 That there's worse things that you could be called than racist.

00:15:49.000 And our goal is to hear the Lord say, well done, good and faithful servant.

00:15:54.000 And there's nothing that you can call me this side of heaven that is worth me not hearing that when I get there.

00:16:02.000 I hope that gets clipped and repeated and written down, everybody, because what you just said, Vodi, is against the secular humanist religion of anti-racism.

00:16:11.000 For them, the biggest fear is the charge or the accusation of racism.

00:16:17.000 Their fear is not the fear of God.

00:16:19.000 It's not the fear of going into an eternal fire.

00:16:22.000 No, their fear is being called a label that means nothing, a label that means zero.

00:16:29.000 It's a very powerful point you just made.

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00:19:29.000 And so, Vodi, I just want to just make sure I understand correctly, and our audience does.

00:19:32.000 You currently believe these ideas are losing steam in American Christianity.

00:19:37.000 Is that right?

00:19:38.000 Yeah, they are.

00:19:39.000 There's been a pivot, you know, and I think the pivot to Christian nationalism, for example, is one evidence that these ideas are losing steam.

00:19:48.000 It's as though people were being called out for their adherence to critical theory, critical race theory, so on and so forth.

00:19:57.000 And all of a sudden they just went, well, look over there.

00:19:59.000 There's Christian nationalism.

00:20:03.000 It's the current dodge while people sort of regroup and move away from that ideology that's being exposed for what it is.

00:20:15.000 So just quickly, can you build out the possible demonic elements of this?

00:20:24.000 Why would the enemy use critical theory?

00:20:27.000 And is it scripturally proven or fair to say that this would be congruent with how we know the enemy operates?

00:20:36.000 Yeah, so what it does is it gives you a different picture of sin, right?

00:20:44.000 Man's problem is not sin.

00:20:46.000 And it's not even the problem for all of mankind.

00:20:50.000 There's just one sinful group.

00:20:53.000 So that undermines the idea that we have in scripture that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

00:21:00.000 It undermines the idea that there is one mankind that comes from one man, Adam.

00:21:06.000 And now all of a sudden, you know, we're breaking people up into these sort of racial essential groups.

00:21:13.000 It takes away the idea that our redemption is found in Christ and in his finished work.

00:21:19.000 Instead, it's a religion of works where we have to find redemption through, you know, our works.

00:21:25.000 It looks forward to this utopia, not to the new heavens and the new earth.

00:21:31.000 I mean, at every point, it is a counterfeit.

00:21:34.000 And you'll actually never get there, obviously.

00:21:37.000 And so let's talk a little bit about this trans stuff.

00:21:41.000 I think your moral clarity on this topic is terrific.

00:21:44.000 But let me try to connect it, if it's possible to connect, which I find to be interesting.

00:21:49.000 And maybe you can help make sense of it because I find this to be an irreconcilable difference, yet they seem to be activist groups that work in harmony, where one of the main arguments of the CRT or the BLM or the kind of racial arsonist group or the religion of anti-racism is that you have an identity that is tied to your melanin content.

00:22:09.000 Okay, but it's not changeable and it's fixed.

00:22:13.000 But then you have the trans movement that works in harmony with the other activists, but they make a completely different argument that your identity actually can be changed.

00:22:23.000 So how are these similar?

00:22:25.000 How are they different?

00:22:26.000 And why do they get along so well?

00:22:29.000 The reason they get along so well is because they're part of the same neo-Marxist cultural Marxist ideology.

00:22:36.000 According to that ideology, the hegemonic power, and this is from Antonio Gramsci, right?

00:22:41.000 Yep.

00:22:42.000 Antonio Gramsci and then through him, the Frankfurt School, gives us this new rendition, this new sort of presentation of Marxism that's cultural in nature.

00:22:55.000 The idea is that there's a hegemonic power and that the oppressor uses this hegemonic power, this ideology in order to oppress people, not just economics.

00:23:06.000 And in our culture, the oppressor would be white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, able-bodied, native-born, on down to Christian, right?

00:23:16.000 That's the oppressor.

00:23:19.000 And this idea that cisgender people, that heterosexual people, that that heteronormativity is part of the hegemonic power that is used to oppress is what unites the LGBTQIA2S plus movement with the social justice movement and the racial justice movement.

00:23:39.000 And we saw this, for example, in BLM's original website.

00:23:44.000 And that, you know, we got to remember that BLM is started by a group of black lesbians, right? 0.98

00:23:50.000 And they're very clear about the fact that they're black lesbians and they're black lesbian Marxists. 0.91

00:23:55.000 So this is not something new.

00:23:57.000 This is not a tangent.

00:23:59.000 This is something that has fit together from the beginning. 0.87

00:24:04.000 Why is it important to note that they're black lesbians? 1.00

00:24:09.000 Well, because again, remember this white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, you know, all of that. 0.94

00:24:18.000 They're talking about their intersectional, interlocking, you know, positions of oppression. 0.87

00:24:26.000 And so they're black and they're female and they're lesbian. 1.00

00:24:29.000 That's three interlocking intersections of oppression for them.

00:24:34.000 And they're speaking from all three of those perspectives and others, if you will.

00:24:39.000 And that is how they view the world.

00:24:42.000 And so, Vaudi, we're seeing this now kind of bubble up to the surface because good people, I don't think, have fought enough against this evil of the trans social contagion that now go to our children. 1.00

00:24:54.000 So there has been a 10 times increase in young people that say they are trans, 10 times increase.

00:25:03.000 And so you and I would say that this is a social contagion from the pit of hell.

00:25:08.000 But the world, if you will, refuses to answer the question as, okay, why is there a 10 times increase?

00:25:16.000 They'll say, oh, it's because people are more comfortable than ever before. 0.99

00:25:19.000 That's garbage. 0.99

00:25:20.000 Okay. 1.00

00:25:20.000 It's that you are conditioning people via social media. 1.00

00:25:24.000 The main instrument of distribution is TikTok to get them to believe something that is not technically true.

00:25:30.000 Voter, your thoughts.

00:25:32.000 Yeah.

00:25:32.000 And I think one of the issues is that if we acknowledge the fact that this is a social contagion, people are afraid that eventually you'll get to the point where we start acknowledging the fact that this is not normative.

00:25:48.000 It's not normal.

00:25:49.000 It's not normative.

00:25:50.000 It's not okay.

00:25:52.000 And, you know, you can't, on the one hand, say this is completely normal.

00:25:58.000 You know, a man can't actually become a woman. 0.95

00:26:02.000 And that on the other hand, this is a social contagion and we need to do something about it.

00:26:07.000 They're really afraid that if you acknowledge that social contagion piece, that eventually we'll get to the heart of the issue and they'll lose ground.

00:26:17.000 How do we best fight it, especially in the church?

00:26:20.000 I'm not seeing, most churches are definitely not widely embracing it, but I'm certainly seeing a weakness set in.

00:26:28.000 I'm seeing a cowardice.

00:26:29.000 I'm seeing a reluctance to confront.

00:26:32.000 And, you know, I had one pastor who messaged me and they said, Charlie, we're all made in the image of God and we must love the trans person and that if they want to be something else, who am I to tell them to no longer be that?

00:26:45.000 And how would you respond to that?

00:26:48.000 I'd respond to that by, you know, a couple of things.

00:26:51.000 Number one, what we believe about transgenderism, for the most part, comes from the work of John Money and his twin study in 1965.

00:27:02.000 Yes.

00:27:02.000 And Kinsey.

00:27:03.000 Which was completely fraudulent.

00:27:05.000 Yes.

00:27:05.000 Which was completely fraudulent.

00:27:07.000 It was child abuse.

00:27:08.000 It resulted in detransition and suicide.

00:27:13.000 Right.

00:27:14.000 But by the time, you know, we find out that he was lying and that it was completely fraudulent, you'd had, what, 20 years or so of people using this as the gold standard to prove that gender is constructed.

00:27:31.000 So if you don't know about money's fraudulent work, and if you don't acknowledge it for what it is, then you don't realize that everything that we're doing now is a result of that fraudulent work, just like Kinsey's fraudulent work has us believing that people are sexualized from the time that they're children.

00:27:53.000 And so I think one of the things that we need to do is we need to expose these historical realities.

00:28:00.000 We need to inform people that these things have origins and that these origins are satanic, that these origins are abusive, and that children's lives are at stake.

00:28:14.000 So few people mention money and Kinsey, but it's important to know that in the 1900s, these two evil actors experimented with children.

00:28:21.000 Kinsey allowed six-month-olds to be raped and then documented the response of it.

00:28:27.000 That's not hyperbole.

00:28:28.000 That is a fact.

00:28:29.000 Kinsey is celebrated at several universities, including Indiana University at Bloomington.

00:28:34.000 They have a whole statue dedicated to him.

00:28:36.000 They have the Kinsey Center for Sexual Ethics at Indiana University.

00:28:40.000 John Money, the story that you were talking about, is very important.

00:28:45.000 There were two twins, and essentially, I don't remember all the circumstances, but he said, what would happen if we changed the gender of one of the twins?

00:28:51.000 And then he literally did something.

00:28:54.000 Well, there was a botched, there was a botched circle.

00:28:56.000 Yeah, that's correct.

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:56.000 There was a botched circle.

00:28:57.000 And then he said, we'll use this as a test case, right?

00:29:00.000 And it ended in complete just horror, right?

00:29:06.000 I mean, suicide, mental depression, so much of it.

00:29:10.000 And so then, Vodi, the American church, this shouldn't be a real controversial issue at all, right?

00:29:19.000 This shouldn't be one that we have to overthink.

00:29:21.000 In fact, I don't think we have the tape, but we have similar tapes, but there was a tape recently on MSNBC of someone who called themselves a minister next to someone who was trans.

00:29:30.000 I don't know if you saw this tape.

00:29:31.000 And the person said, I'm made in the image of God, right?

00:29:34.000 So I just, I get to change gender.

00:29:37.000 She made me in her image.

00:29:38.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:29:40.000 So I saw it.

00:29:41.000 So your reaction to that.

00:29:43.000 Yeah, you know, I think this is the bridge too far.

00:29:47.000 I told you, there's a backlash.

00:29:50.000 And that backlash is picking up steam mainly because of this aspect of the movement.

00:29:57.000 Nobody wants to go here.

00:30:01.000 And everybody recognizes that this is a bridge too far.

00:30:06.000 I hope you're right because I mean, I'm getting a little jaded and cynical when I see parents bring their kids to Drag Queen Story Hour.

00:30:14.000 I hope that's the phrases and the hyper-radical minority.

00:30:17.000 I really do.

00:30:18.000 It really is.

00:30:19.000 And you'll notice, you'll remember.

00:30:20.000 I mean, the minister that you're talking about is Jim Wallace.

00:30:24.000 Jim Wallace is an apostate who's, you know, been exposed as such for decades now.

00:30:31.000 You're not seeing mainstream people, you know, touting this sort of thing.

00:30:38.000 You're more optimistic than I am, Bodhi.

00:30:39.000 So I'm going to take you for it because I trust you're analyzing.

00:30:44.000 Hey, there are thousands of prophets who haven't bothered to need a bail.

00:30:49.000 Check out SalemNow.com.

00:30:51.000 Just a little bit more about what you go into and what people can learn, what they will learn by going through this course.

00:30:58.000 The idea here is that we take a look at the main tenets of the book.

00:31:03.000 We look at them from, you know, from 35,000 feet, but we also get some real concrete examples of these sort of things happening.

00:31:10.000 And this is designed to have the discussion that the left says they want, but really don't.

00:31:18.000 This is a group study for people to be able to get into this, to define their terms and really talk about these issues and learn about these issues from a foundational, fundamental, and biblical perspective.

00:31:33.000 So what other false religions do you think that Christians need to be aware of, Vaudi? 0.94

00:31:38.000 I mean, the social justice one is also really big.

00:31:41.000 We didn't talk about that one as much.

00:31:43.000 Can you just riff a little on that?

00:31:45.000 Yeah.

00:31:46.000 The social justice one, I think, is the one that Christians and, well, Christians everywhere are most susceptible to, because we are about justice, right?

00:31:56.000 And if you don't know that social justice is redistributive justice, then you can have a tendency to sort of fall prey to that.

00:32:06.000 And I think that's what happened for a lot of people is that they fell prey to that.

00:32:13.000 You know, racial justice being sort of a subset of that, if you will.

00:32:19.000 And, you know, just buying the narrative that all disparities are the result of racism and injustice.

00:32:28.000 Again, these are things that people have fallen prey to, but, you know, by God's grace, can and will, and I think are sort of moving away from.

00:32:39.000 Again, there are some people who've been lost to this stuff.

00:32:41.000 There's some people who are just gone and they've apostatized.

00:32:45.000 But, you know, for the most part, people are waking up to this and it doesn't have enough steam.

00:32:52.000 Yeah.

00:32:52.000 And that will be the question, right?

00:32:54.000 Is are there enough decent and good people to reject this nonsense?

00:32:58.000 Just breaking news right now.

00:33:00.000 The Supreme Court rejects West Virginia's request to say that men are not allowed in female sports.

00:33:06.000 We have a lot of work to do because the Supreme Court, I mean, I'm sure it's some technical legal thing, but it shouldn't be a question at all in any way, shape, or form.

00:33:14.000 And so let me close here at three minutes remaining, Vodi.

00:33:16.000 For people that don't know the Lord, this is Easter.

00:33:18.000 Why does Easter matter?

00:33:19.000 Why is Christianity like every other religion? 1.00

00:33:22.000 I hear that from people.

00:33:23.000 Vaudi, a couple minutes, make the case.

00:33:25.000 Yeah, we do have that from people, you know, but all the other religions can basically be summed up like this.

00:33:31.000 You need to have a religious experience.

00:33:33.000 And then from that point on, do more good things than bad and hope for the best when you die.

00:33:39.000 That is an oversimplification, but not by much.

00:33:42.000 Christianity is unique in that Christianity has an answer for man's sin problem.

00:33:49.000 And that answer is the person and work of Jesus Christ.

00:33:52.000 Christ died for sin once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God.

00:33:58.000 The idea is that God is righteous and he is just and he must punish sin.

00:34:02.000 It has to be punished.

00:34:04.000 And the wages of sin is death.

00:34:06.000 And Christ paid that wage.

00:34:09.000 He died for sin.

00:34:10.000 He died as our substitute.

00:34:13.000 And because he's the God-man, because he's fully God and fully man, on the one hand, he could, you know, taste the wrath of God and survive.

00:34:21.000 But on the other hand, he could have our sin imputed to him as our representative and die and pay the price that we owed.

00:34:30.000 So that in him, we have God being both just and the justifier of the one who places faith in Jesus.

00:34:38.000 And the resurrection screams to us that that payment was satisfactory.

00:34:43.000 And it is our only hope.

00:34:45.000 Death is the last enemy, and we all face that last enemy.

00:34:49.000 Last time I checked, the death rate was one per person.

00:34:52.000 And the only sure answer that we have is the one who has overcome death and hell and the grave and who promises us that if we're found in him, we will overcome it as well.

00:35:03.000 And that's why Easter matters.

00:35:05.000 The resurrection is real.

00:35:08.000 The entire Christian faith hinges on the resurrection, and it happened.

00:35:12.000 By ancient and historical standards, it is by far the most documented event, not only by biblical, but also extra-biblical sources as well.

00:35:22.000 And I say this, the people that do not believe the resurrection, the burden of proof is on you to tell me then what happened to that body.

00:35:30.000 Because if you say it's stolen, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

00:35:32.000 Jesus never was actually crucified.

00:35:34.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:35:35.000 So burden of proof is on you.

00:35:37.000 Tell me how a group of fishermen and a ragtag army of cowards were able to get past two Roman guards, roll the stone, and then move the body exactly.

00:35:46.000 Explain that to me.

00:35:47.000 And why would they do it?

00:35:48.000 Because actually against core Jewish theology to actually have a resurrection of man before the end of time.

00:35:54.000 So explain that way to me.

00:35:55.000 And they can't because it's true and the resurrection happened and it changed the world.

00:35:59.000 And why hold on to that lie to the point of death?

00:36:02.000 That's exactly right.

00:36:03.000 And they did not gain sex, money, or power for that quote-unquote lie.

00:36:07.000 In fact, all of them at the very point of death died horrendous, torturous deaths and refused to get away from what they knew was true.

00:36:15.000 Easter changed the world.

00:36:17.000 And I encourage the audience to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

00:36:20.000 Vodi, thank you so much.

00:36:21.000 Everyone, go to SalemNow.com.

00:36:23.000 Thank you so much.

00:36:24.000 It's been my pleasure, man.

00:36:25.000 Thank you.

00:36:26.000 Happy Easter.

00:36:29.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:30.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:33.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 07, 2023

The False Religion of Anti-Racism with Voddie Baucham Jr. — Good Friday Special

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