00:00:50.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:19.000David Schweikert, Arizona Congressional District 1, pulled ahead and won, which is huge, which means the Democrats have basically no path at all under any circumstance to control the House of Representatives.
00:02:34.000The messaging component to all of this that I think is critical that we cannot lose sight of is when Lindsey Graham went up on stage and said that we need a federal abortion ban.
00:02:47.000I mean, it was a gift to the Democrats to be able to package that and to go after us.
00:02:54.000I'm enthusiastically pro-life, but that is not a winning issue in a midterm that should have been about gas prices and the open border and all these different things.
00:03:29.000Yeah, Charlie, one thing that I want to look at, and as I go through the Pennsylvania numbers and myself, is something that I think might actually bear out as to a larger trend that we're seeing here in the 2022 results.
00:03:47.000And it's not even necessarily so much a trend in terms of the issues per se, but we keep looking back and saying, why don't these numbers match the things that we saw in 20, right?
00:03:58.000Why don't the things, why don't the, and not just specifically the margin of victory, but when you go through the crosstabs, vote group by vote group, demographic by demographic, people turning out in different buckets.
00:04:10.000One thing, and, you know, again, we're all kind of brainstorming here at the, we're still in that fog of war moment, but internal migration.
00:04:50.000Well, of course, they all went to Florida.
00:04:53.000They filled Florida up and continued Florida on its trajectory that was set in path, obviously, by Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis by turning it into just one of the reddest states that you'll find in the country, right?
00:05:05.000That's because so many people were pouring into that state.
00:05:08.000But interestingly, Charlie, that same demographic or that same dynamic also played out on the West Coast when it came to California.
00:05:16.000Because where did those people from California go?
00:05:24.000They went to Chandler, Scottsdale, obviously, where a lot of people go.
00:05:29.000And so I'm wondering, and again, I don't have the fidelity of the numbers that you're looking at, but I'm wondering if some of that physical internal migration within the United States caused by these massive lockdown and vaccine mandate regimes has driven some of this because the problem, obviously, you see red voters are coming out of New York and Pennsylvania, making Florida redder.
00:05:54.000However, comma, you do, when you're coming out of California, sure, there's going to be some red, but there's going to be a lot of blue as well.
00:06:00.000So I'm wondering if that might account for some of the change that we're seeing in the breaks between 2020 and 2022.
00:06:28.000But it's just, you know, in Arizona in particular, I mean, I'm shocked and I'm just looking at the numbers as they are.
00:06:36.000And I would love to have somebody walk me through them.
00:06:38.000I'd love to have somebody tell me how on earth this is conceivable, how it's possible how Cary Lake could win game day in-person election day voting independence two to one and then lose them if somebody dropped off ballots.
00:06:54.000It's just, and we're going to have the final numbers tonight.
00:06:56.000So just so everyone knows, there's anywhere between 90 to 100,000 Maricopa ballots remaining.
00:07:02.000I think there actually might be more than that.
00:07:04.000In fact, I just got a text message here for anyone listening from Arizona.
00:07:14.000He said, by the way, your advice to cure vote was a good one.
00:07:16.000My wife and I voted at 6 a.m. on election day.
00:07:19.000My vote was tabulated, but my wife and I was among the majority of people around whose ballot couldn't tabulate.
00:07:26.000We checked our status and currently neither of us are currently listed as having voted since the primary.
00:07:32.000So we're going to have Tyler Boyer on to kind of walk through what to do here, but there is a chance that, again, it's a chance.
00:07:38.000I'm not saying that it's a good chance, but knowing Maricopa's incompetency, there's a chance that there's tens of thousands of ballots in adjudication in different buckets that haven't been tabulated.
00:07:52.000And that would end up kind of closing this turnout gap that currently is a little bit mysterious right now.
00:08:01.000So anyway, Jack, we have a minute and a half remaining.
00:08:03.000You and I are both very pro-life and enthusiastic about it.
00:08:06.000But can you talk about how Lindsey Graham might have torpedoed the midterms with his foolish and reckless and baseless announcement about a federal abortion event this close to the election?
00:08:16.000I mean, Charlie, I said it on election night.
00:08:18.000I would say that Lindsey Graham lost six states with that statement.
00:08:34.000I don't believe he's spoken at any of the rallies or anything like that.
00:08:36.000And so I'm very interested to why it was that he did this.
00:08:40.000And if so, did someone put him up to it?
00:08:43.000Because that guy, what he did there was give the Democrats fuel for a million mailers, millions of dollars of TV spending, ads that went up in every single race across the country.
00:08:53.000And it gave them something to anchor it on.
00:08:56.000And you wouldn't have anybody fact-checking it because they're saying, well, here's Lindsey Graham.
00:08:59.000He's a member in great standing of the senior Senate leadership.
00:09:35.000I mean, you know, when you look at a guy who's had so much put up against him, but at the same time, in a year where incumbents did very well, he goes up for the open Senate seat, is able to win convincingly by six points in that state.
00:09:50.000I think also they're really telling the story of showing how a Republican can come in, win the rust belt, and show that, you know, this isn't some situation where, oh, by the way, you know, Republicans have, you know, they're trying to paint this narrative that MAGA is over, MAGA is gone.
00:10:05.000No, JD Vance, by the way, was a guy who wasn't a big Trump fan in 2016, as people remember, and they certainly used his comments against him in the primary.
00:10:13.000But he came around, saw the power of MAGA, saw the power of the working class, and really came to Jesus on those issues.
00:10:21.000And I think the voters of Ohio rewarded him and showed that there is a path still in the Rust Belt for people like that.
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00:11:54.000So I'm able to celebrate that one, Matt.
00:11:56.000We got Schweikert across the finish line.
00:11:58.000So, Matt, let me ask you, you came on our program about a month ago, and we received a lot of negative emails where you said that, hey, actually, a slimmer majority might be a better and stronger majority.
00:12:35.000And I really think that we were unsuccessful in trying to win this election by default rather than by telling people what we were going to do.
00:12:44.000And when, you know, the vision is something kind of written on the back of Frank Luntz's bar napkin.
00:12:50.000It doesn't exactly get those lower propensity Republican voters energetic and enthused about our candidates for the United States House.
00:12:58.000We're going to see whether or not a smaller majority is more operable than a majority with more mouths to feed.
00:13:04.000And the first critical question is who will lead it.
00:13:07.000Charlie, I believe we have now entered a paradigm in leadership selection that is essentially process of elimination.
00:13:15.000Unless there's someone doing a deal with Democrats that I'm aware of, any group of five Republicans in Congress can functionally block any person to be Speaker of the House if the current trends in the election hold.
00:13:30.000And so every five people is essentially a veto.
00:13:33.000Now, that means that it's probably not going to be Kevin McCarthy as speaker because there are five of us who would not want to see him.
00:13:40.000There's probably not going to be somebody like Jim Jordan who I would prefer because there are probably five people who don't like him.
00:13:46.000And so we've got to go down the list of the Republicans and see who can actually unite a conference.
00:13:51.000And then the hope is with new leadership, with bold ideas, with everyone realizing that we have to be on the same team, we'll be able to lay out a vision and an agenda.
00:14:01.000And it might not be as aggressive as we originally thought, but it should be accomplishable.
00:14:06.000And we're about to go through that process starting tomorrow.
00:14:36.000Well, four is definitely less preferable to 10 or 12.
00:14:41.000But look, I'm still bullish that we're going to be able to do important things.
00:14:43.000We'll be able to hold the committee gavels, conduct the investigations, hold the line on spending.
00:14:49.000I think it's going to be absolutely critical.
00:14:51.000But the major changes regarding immigration, regarding the overall structure of our entitlement programs are not likely to get altered.
00:15:01.000And a little bit, my perspective is shaped by what the Senate will look like.
00:15:05.000Look, if we had slim majorities in the House and Senate that could hold together, perhaps that's different than only having a slim majority in the House, one where we know that a Chuck Schumer-controlled Senate is unlikely to do the asylum reforms that we need, the entitlement reforms, work requirements that we would advance.
00:15:22.000And that doesn't give us a permission slip to avoid passing those bills and laying out that agenda.
00:15:28.000But I think we're going to have to have great focus.
00:15:30.000Look, there were a couple places in the country where Republicans did overperform.
00:15:34.000In Florida and in New York, we really saw Republicans build that America-first working class coalition across gender lines, across racial lines, across even age-based demographics.
00:15:49.000And we could learn lessons from places like New York, where Lee's Elden ran very strong, places like Florida, where we grew our majorities, where we contributed two additional Republicans to the Republican conference.
00:16:06.000All right, we're looking forward to it.
00:16:07.000I mean, honestly, I'm wondering why in Arizona you guys still want to live this way in terms of never having a clear understanding about how many ballots are out there.
00:16:15.000People wanted to criticize me because in 2018, we actually went and filed lawsuits to stop them from stealing the election from Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis.
00:16:25.000And we got judges to issue injunctions in real time so that there wouldn't be this undetermined universe of potential ballots out there.
00:16:33.000And so I think the reforms regarding transparency that not only we implemented, but then that we were willing to enforce in Florida should be instructive to a state like Arizona, where I think there are like second and third world countries laughing at Arizona over we live here and it's a joke.
00:16:51.000So Matt, then let's go through some names then.
00:16:56.000Well, and you have to remember, just as conservatives and America First MAGA folks would have a veto, so would folks who make up the moderate cleavages of our caucus.
00:17:06.000But let's go through a few people who I don't believe there are five people who dislike these members of Congress.
00:17:13.000And by the way, I would not be on this list, but I don't believe there are five people who dislike Jody Arrington.
00:17:18.000I don't believe there are five people who dislike Roger Williams.
00:17:21.000I don't believe there are five people who dislike Tim Burchett.
00:17:24.000I don't believe there are five people who like Kevin Hearn.
00:17:26.000I don't believe there are five people who dislike Steve Womack.
00:17:29.000And I don't think there are five people who dislike Patrick McHenry.
00:17:32.000Now, on the outside, there are also some creative choices.
00:17:35.000I've heard people talk about Jim DeMint as sort of a, you know, a thought leader in the conservative movement, respected by a lot of people, been out of the exact jousting of the legislative game for a while.
00:17:46.000I've heard the name Tulsi Gabbard, someone who might actually bring us a few folks from the left who are tired of the corrupt ruling class in this town.
00:17:55.000Some folks have even thought about dusting off Newt Gingrich and bringing him back as kind of a wise old gray hair.
00:18:02.000And then if an issue that we need to focus on is central to bringing Republicans together at the border, how about Chad Wolfe?
00:18:09.000You know, Chad Wolf served in the Trump administration, did great things as the Homeland Security Secretary, still doing a lot of great policy work at the America First Policy Institute.
00:18:18.000And so those are just some ideas, but we have to go through the stages of grief here a little bit, Charlie.
00:18:24.000Right now, there are a lot of the establishment Republicans in denial, believing that Kevin McCarthy can somehow still become Speaker.
00:18:31.000What I'm here to tell you is there are definitely at least five people, actually a lot more than that, who would rather be waterboarded by Liz Cheney than vote for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker of the House.
00:18:44.000And so then you can kind of dispense with that.
00:18:47.000I think there's a real desire to have fresh faces, new leadership, new ideas, and to turn a new page so that we can get to the important work that we promised the American people we could get to.
00:18:58.000That will be limited because we won't hold the Senate.
00:19:03.000But we still have to lay out a competing vision and we have to get ready to fix the flaws of this last election cycle and get into 2024 ready to do battle.
00:19:12.000Well, also, what it does, it allows us to play defense permanently, meaning no HR1, no DC or Puerto Rico estates, no abolishing the Electoral College.
00:19:19.000That stuff's not going to happen, right?
00:19:21.000So that's the good news is that all of that radical stuff has just been grinded to a halt, right?
00:19:26.000January 6th committee, done day one, all these different sorts of things.
00:19:30.000So Matt, let me play devil's advocate.
00:19:33.000Our friend Marjorie Taylor Greene, you like Marjorie, right?
00:20:04.000And then tell me why you don't hold that view.
00:20:06.000Well, I think there is a reasonable view that the Democrats could team up with four or five Republicans and try to build their own coalition.
00:20:15.000And frankly, whether we pick Kevin or not, that's still a threat and a possibility and something we have to watch out for.
00:20:21.000And we have to do everything we can to ensure that the will of our voters for the reasons they sent us is vindicated in our public service.
00:20:28.000But whether we pick Kevin or not, that's a risk.
00:20:32.000I think it's far too risky to pick Kevin McCarthy.
00:20:35.000I think it's risky to have someone leading our effort going into 2024 who vastly underperformed in 2022.
00:20:42.000I think it's risky to put someone forward who suggested that Donald Trump resign or be censured.
00:20:47.000I think it's really risky to have someone as the speaker who said that I was encouraging people to violence just because I criticized Liz Cheney after January 6th.
00:20:57.000So like there's a lot of things about Kevin McCarthy that I think are very risky.
00:21:01.000And I think the way to put us on the most stable footing going forward is with new leadership, fresh ideas, new faces.
00:21:31.000He burnt tens of millions of dollars in cash with Kevin McCarthy going after people in primaries.
00:21:37.000Well, attacking Caroline Levitt and attacking Caroline Levitt, Anthony Sabatini, Carl Palladino.
00:21:42.000In prior cycles, he went after people like George Santos, Ana Paulina Luna.
00:21:46.000And so when you turn your arsenal against our own team in the primaries and then run out of bullets in the general election, somebody has to question the decisions the general made.
00:21:57.000And certainly you wouldn't follow that person into battle again.
00:22:01.000And so I think that the risk profile is highest in supporting someone who like literally went after America first candidates.
00:22:08.000I'm surprised by my friend Marjorie's decision on this.
00:22:11.000Yeah, and she's been outspoken that we need to support Kevin.
00:22:14.000But Matt, I want you to give our audience a little bit of comfort here, though, because I know you're a reasonable person.
00:22:20.000If it comes down to it and it's a Democrat-created caucus versus Kevin, I mean, what would the decision you and four or five MAGA types would make?
00:22:31.000I know that's a hypothetical, but it is one where, I mean, we shouldn't lose the House because we can't get our act together.
00:22:45.000But if you look at some of these races that we're winning, Matt, these are some very moderate candidates that are becoming the deciding.
00:22:51.000I mean, I don't know if you've been following this or not, but these are some extraordinary, these people make Liz Cheney look like a right-winger if you look at some of these races.
00:22:59.000Well, I think if Democrats are looking to cross the aisle to build a coalition with Republicans, I'm probably not one of the first 200 people that they're reaching out to.
00:23:08.000So I don't know that I can give you the...
00:23:09.000No, What I'm saying, though, is that if it came down to supporting someone like Kevin or in the mold of Kevin, you know, is there any Kevin's hand?
00:23:19.000Because once five Republicans stand up and say, we're never voting for Kevin, then if Kevin chooses to persist, it would be him putting our majority.
00:23:50.000And I am certain that there is a critical mass of people who hold my precise view.
00:23:55.000And so the sooner we can sort of dispense with the notion that Kevin's going to be speaker, then we can get to the important work of actually looking at who are the people that Brian Fitzpatrick and Matt Gates can agree on.
00:24:34.000Lee is totally MAGA, and he has some really good relationships with the establishment, especially he is more kind of in that foreign policy kind of, he is more sympathetic towards that.
00:24:55.000I think this is the kind of thinking that's very productive, Charlie, when we start thinking about people who can unite folks.
00:25:01.000But I mean, how can you view the Kevin McCarthy as a uniter when he burnt tens of millions of dollars shooting at MAGA candidates in the primary?
00:25:08.000So, yeah, I'm not here to endorse Zeldin.
00:25:11.000I think that, you know, we would have to really look at whether or not we could have a non-speaker.
00:25:15.000But when you look at why we have this majority, it is because Lee Zeldon ran a focused, disciplined campaign in New York State, brought people together and that brought people over the line.
00:25:25.000And it would just seem odd to me to like have this vastly underperforming effort in the midterms and hand the speakership from Nancy Pelosi of California to Kevin McCarthy of California.
00:25:36.000And where we lost seats we were supposed to win was in the Valley of California.
00:25:40.000It's like, why not instead of rewarding someone from a delegation that underperformed, why wouldn't we reward someone from a delegation that overperformed?
00:25:49.000There certainly was a lot of great work done in the state of Texas.
00:25:52.000I know there are a lot of Texans who have good relationships across the caucus as well.
00:25:56.000And we may see one of them emerge with interest because tomorrow, all we're going to demonstrate is how many people aren't voting for Kevin.
00:26:04.000So when you see 20, 30, maybe even more than that.
00:26:56.000I agree with Senator Rubio and others who've said that it is crazy for us to be promising our voters that we're going to stop illegal votes in their elections when in our own leadership elections, like we're inviting people who have not won their races to cast votes.
00:27:13.000So like, for example, let's just take Juan Siscamani, who's probably going to win, but he should be in Arizona making sure ballots are counted.
00:27:19.000Is he like Skyping into the meeting tomorrow?
00:27:22.000My suspicion is some of them will be here.
00:27:43.000He might be a swell guy, but the central point is that we should not be having these votes until we are certain who compromises the membership of the Republican Conference.
00:27:54.000It's so obvious, I'm surprised I even have to say it out loud, but apparently we do.
00:28:55.000How is it that his ballot has not been tabulated if he voted in person on election day?
00:29:01.000That doesn't make any sense at all whatsoever.
00:29:04.000There is a chance, a chance that there is a portion of ballots out there that could be, I don't know if it's enough, I have no idea, but the amount of emails I'm receiving, freedom at charliekirk.com, of people that voted in person that have said that their status shows that they haven't voted.
00:30:22.000This is suspicious how many emails we're getting and the fact that it's actually targeting.
00:30:28.000But no, but no, these are people that voted in person and they said it wasn't box three.
00:30:34.000And so our team members said the tabulation machine accepted it and said it was counted.
00:30:38.000The guy on the phone said that it wasn't tabulated and that I should keep checking the website in the coming days to see if it will be counted.
00:31:22.000And he just talked to a Maricopa County official who said it wasn't tabulated and he should keep checking the website in the coming days to see if it will be counted.
00:31:34.000I thought that we had till Wednesday to get this done, right?
00:31:37.000Not only that, no, no, but we were told that every ballot in person, wait, our baseline is that everything on election day was already counted.
00:32:26.000Well, you know, Charlie, I mean, not to be conspiratorial, but as we look at how all these, we keep missing our marks, I mean, it's wild.
00:32:35.000I mean, you know, you start thinking like, you know, we're scratching our heads here going like, how are we missing the, how are we missing the marks?
00:32:43.000How are we missing the polling that Lorraine said, I voted in person and it says my vote is not yet tabulated.
00:32:51.000That's not, there should be zero of those.
00:32:53.000It's one thing if your drop-off vote is not tabulated.