The Charlie Kirk Show - November 15, 2022


The Fate of Kevin McCarthy with Matt Gaetz and Jack Posobiec


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Jack Pesobic joins Charlie to talk about the results of the midterms and what they mean for the future of the country. Plus, Charlie and Jack discuss the implications for the 2020 election and the 2020 midterms as a whole.

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00:01:14.000 Hello, everybody.
00:01:14.000 Welcome back.
00:01:15.000 Emails freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:01:17.000 The buried lead is last evening.
00:01:19.000 David Schweikert, Arizona Congressional District 1, pulled ahead and won, which is huge, which means the Democrats have basically no path at all under any circumstance to control the House of Representatives.
00:01:33.000 It will be in Republican hands.
00:01:35.000 That is a flipped chamber.
00:01:37.000 It should be by a lot more, but it looks like it'll be a three to four seat majority, which is terrific.
00:01:44.000 That means that Fauci is going to have to answer for his crimes.
00:01:46.000 That means Merritt Garland is going to be subpoenaed.
00:01:48.000 That means we're going to get answers on the 87,000 IRS agents and hopefully get those repealed.
00:01:53.000 Maorkis is going to have to answer.
00:01:55.000 Nancy Pelosi is now in the permanent minority, not the permanent, but in the minority for the time being.
00:02:00.000 And praise God, at least that did not break.
00:02:03.000 But I believe that, and I'm just, I'm receiving a lot of emails, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:02:08.000 You know, people are saying, Charlie, I think that for younger voters, the biggest issue was abortion and the targeting.
00:02:17.000 And look, you guys might not agree at that.
00:02:19.000 You know, somebody says, here, Charlie, you're just ignoring all the shenanigans and the nonsense and the fraud.
00:02:23.000 Look, I was in the movie 2000 Mules.
00:02:26.000 I totally understand all of that.
00:02:28.000 Okay.
00:02:29.000 However, I want to focus on there was a messaging component to this.
00:02:33.000 Okay.
00:02:34.000 The messaging component to all of this that I think is critical that we cannot lose sight of is when Lindsey Graham went up on stage and said that we need a federal abortion ban.
00:02:47.000 I mean, it was a gift to the Democrats to be able to package that and to go after us.
00:02:52.000 Now, I'm very, very pro-life.
00:02:54.000 I'm enthusiastically pro-life, but that is not a winning issue in a midterm that should have been about gas prices and the open border and all these different things.
00:03:04.000 Joining us right now is Jack Pesobic.
00:03:06.000 Jack, welcome to the program.
00:03:07.000 Jack, I want to get your take on this, on what's happening in Arizona.
00:03:11.000 You were here on the ground with us all last week, and this is still ongoing.
00:03:16.000 There's a lot of confusion.
00:03:18.000 I mean, last night, you could have just put me over with a feather when I saw that Carrie Lake won 54.5% in some of the reddest precincts.
00:03:27.000 Jack, what is your thoughts?
00:03:29.000 Yeah, Charlie, one thing that I want to look at, and as I go through the Pennsylvania numbers and myself, is something that I think might actually bear out as to a larger trend that we're seeing here in the 2022 results.
00:03:47.000 And it's not even necessarily so much a trend in terms of the issues per se, but we keep looking back and saying, why don't these numbers match the things that we saw in 20, right?
00:03:58.000 Why don't the things, why don't the, and not just specifically the margin of victory, but when you go through the crosstabs, vote group by vote group, demographic by demographic, people turning out in different buckets.
00:04:10.000 One thing, and, you know, again, we're all kind of brainstorming here at the, we're still in that fog of war moment, but internal migration.
00:04:18.000 Okay.
00:04:19.000 So in certain states on the East Coast, right?
00:04:24.000 I'm an East Coast guy.
00:04:25.000 So on the East Coast, you had a lot of people in Pennsylvania and New York.
00:04:30.000 Pennsylvania and New York were hit hard by lockdowns throughout 2020 and then vaccine mandates in 2021.
00:04:37.000 In fact, where I am in the Washington, D.C. area, we are still under vaccine mandates.
00:04:42.000 I can't take my family certain places because of them.
00:04:44.000 We actually had to cancel some plans this weekend because of that.
00:04:48.000 Where did those people go?
00:04:50.000 Well, of course, they all went to Florida.
00:04:53.000 They filled Florida up and continued Florida on its trajectory that was set in path, obviously, by Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis by turning it into just one of the reddest states that you'll find in the country, right? 0.52
00:05:05.000 That's because so many people were pouring into that state.
00:05:08.000 But interestingly, Charlie, that same demographic or that same dynamic also played out on the West Coast when it came to California.
00:05:16.000 Because where did those people from California go? 0.98
00:05:19.000 They all went to Arizona.
00:05:20.000 They went to places like Glenside.
00:05:23.000 They went to Gilbert.
00:05:24.000 They went to Chandler, Scottsdale, obviously, where a lot of people go.
00:05:29.000 And so I'm wondering, and again, I don't have the fidelity of the numbers that you're looking at, but I'm wondering if some of that physical internal migration within the United States caused by these massive lockdown and vaccine mandate regimes has driven some of this because the problem, obviously, you see red voters are coming out of New York and Pennsylvania, making Florida redder.
00:05:54.000 However, comma, you do, when you're coming out of California, sure, there's going to be some red, but there's going to be a lot of blue as well.
00:06:00.000 So I'm wondering if that might account for some of the change that we're seeing in the breaks between 2020 and 2022.
00:06:06.000 Yeah, you could be right, Jack.
00:06:08.000 And I mean, there's so many good stories out of the midterms.
00:06:12.000 We're not talking about DeSantis by 20.
00:06:14.000 Even Brian Kemp won convincingly in Georgia.
00:06:16.000 Greg Abbott just obliterated Robert Francis O'Rourke.
00:06:19.000 I mean, just ran over.
00:06:21.000 And Greg Abbott actually won independence in Texas, which is so interesting.
00:06:26.000 Lombardo won in Nevada.
00:06:28.000 But it's just, you know, in Arizona in particular, I mean, I'm shocked and I'm just looking at the numbers as they are.
00:06:36.000 And I would love to have somebody walk me through them.
00:06:38.000 I'd love to have somebody tell me how on earth this is conceivable, how it's possible how Cary Lake could win game day in-person election day voting independence two to one and then lose them if somebody dropped off ballots.
00:06:54.000 It's just, and we're going to have the final numbers tonight.
00:06:56.000 So just so everyone knows, there's anywhere between 90 to 100,000 Maricopa ballots remaining.
00:07:02.000 I think there actually might be more than that.
00:07:04.000 In fact, I just got a text message here for anyone listening from Arizona.
00:07:08.000 Okay.
00:07:09.000 Anyone from Arizona, listen to this.
00:07:13.000 I want to talk about this.
00:07:14.000 He said, by the way, your advice to cure vote was a good one. 0.89
00:07:16.000 My wife and I voted at 6 a.m. on election day.
00:07:19.000 My vote was tabulated, but my wife and I was among the majority of people around whose ballot couldn't tabulate.
00:07:26.000 We checked our status and currently neither of us are currently listed as having voted since the primary.
00:07:32.000 So we're going to have Tyler Boyer on to kind of walk through what to do here, but there is a chance that, again, it's a chance.
00:07:38.000 I'm not saying that it's a good chance, but knowing Maricopa's incompetency, there's a chance that there's tens of thousands of ballots in adjudication in different buckets that haven't been tabulated.
00:07:52.000 And that would end up kind of closing this turnout gap that currently is a little bit mysterious right now.
00:08:01.000 So anyway, Jack, we have a minute and a half remaining.
00:08:03.000 You and I are both very pro-life and enthusiastic about it.
00:08:06.000 But can you talk about how Lindsey Graham might have torpedoed the midterms with his foolish and reckless and baseless announcement about a federal abortion event this close to the election?
00:08:16.000 I mean, Charlie, I said it on election night.
00:08:18.000 I would say that Lindsey Graham lost six states with that statement.
00:08:22.000 I don't know why he made it.
00:08:23.000 I don't know if somebody put that up to him and whispered in his ear and told him to come out and do this.
00:08:27.000 Lindsey Graham is not someone that I would consider a member of sort of the professional pro-life movement.
00:08:33.000 He certainly never has been.
00:08:34.000 I don't believe he's spoken at any of the rallies or anything like that.
00:08:36.000 And so I'm very interested to why it was that he did this.
00:08:40.000 And if so, did someone put him up to it?
00:08:43.000 Because that guy, what he did there was give the Democrats fuel for a million mailers, millions of dollars of TV spending, ads that went up in every single race across the country.
00:08:53.000 And it gave them something to anchor it on. 0.77
00:08:56.000 And you wouldn't have anybody fact-checking it because they're saying, well, here's Lindsey Graham.
00:08:59.000 He's a member in great standing of the senior Senate leadership.
00:09:02.000 And there you go.
00:09:04.000 Yeah, it's just, it's hard to believe what the motivations and the intentions were there.
00:09:08.000 I'd say at least we lost six states because of Lindsey Graham.
00:09:11.000 Easily. 0.98
00:09:12.000 Yeah, I mean, and then they micro-targeted straight to independence in a way where it was very, very persuasive.
00:09:22.000 So Jack, really quick, one minute remaining.
00:09:25.000 We're going to have our eyes on Arizona tonight.
00:09:28.000 What are some of the other victories that you think are worth talking about from this election cycle?
00:09:33.000 Oh, well, certainly JD Vance.
00:09:35.000 I mean, you know, when you look at a guy who's had so much put up against him, but at the same time, in a year where incumbents did very well, he goes up for the open Senate seat, is able to win convincingly by six points in that state.
00:09:50.000 I think also they're really telling the story of showing how a Republican can come in, win the rust belt, and show that, you know, this isn't some situation where, oh, by the way, you know, Republicans have, you know, they're trying to paint this narrative that MAGA is over, MAGA is gone.
00:10:05.000 No, JD Vance, by the way, was a guy who wasn't a big Trump fan in 2016, as people remember, and they certainly used his comments against him in the primary.
00:10:13.000 But he came around, saw the power of MAGA, saw the power of the working class, and really came to Jesus on those issues.
00:10:21.000 And I think the voters of Ohio rewarded him and showed that there is a path still in the Rust Belt for people like that.
00:10:28.000 Jack, thanks so much.
00:10:29.000 We have Matt Gates joining us next.
00:10:30.000 Jack, I hope to have you tonight as we watch the final results from Arizona come in.
00:10:33.000 Hopefully the final results come in.
00:10:35.000 Jack, thank you so much.
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00:11:37.000 Joining me now is one of my favorite members of Congress, a great American, someone who's a fighter, understands what we are really up against is Matt Gates.
00:11:45.000 Matt, welcome back to the program.
00:11:47.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.
00:11:48.000 Busy week in Washington.
00:11:50.000 Yeah, and a little busy here in the desert, too.
00:11:53.000 At least Schweikert won.
00:11:54.000 So I'm able to celebrate that one, Matt.
00:11:56.000 We got Schweikert across the finish line.
00:11:58.000 So, Matt, let me ask you, you came on our program about a month ago, and we received a lot of negative emails where you said that, hey, actually, a slimmer majority might be a better and stronger majority.
00:12:12.000 Do you still believe that?
00:12:14.000 And do you think that that is now the case as we look at we'll probably have a two or three seat majority?
00:12:18.000 Matt, your thoughts.
00:12:19.000 We definitely are going to have a slimmer majority than we expected, and there's a lot of post-mortem to do about that.
00:12:25.000 I don't think there's a single American that voted Republican because of the commitment to America rolled out by Kevin McCarthy.
00:12:32.000 It lacked boldness and vision.
00:12:35.000 And I really think that we were unsuccessful in trying to win this election by default rather than by telling people what we were going to do.
00:12:44.000 And when, you know, the vision is something kind of written on the back of Frank Luntz's bar napkin.
00:12:50.000 It doesn't exactly get those lower propensity Republican voters energetic and enthused about our candidates for the United States House.
00:12:58.000 We're going to see whether or not a smaller majority is more operable than a majority with more mouths to feed.
00:13:04.000 And the first critical question is who will lead it.
00:13:07.000 Charlie, I believe we have now entered a paradigm in leadership selection that is essentially process of elimination.
00:13:15.000 Unless there's someone doing a deal with Democrats that I'm aware of, any group of five Republicans in Congress can functionally block any person to be Speaker of the House if the current trends in the election hold.
00:13:30.000 And so every five people is essentially a veto.
00:13:33.000 Now, that means that it's probably not going to be Kevin McCarthy as speaker because there are five of us who would not want to see him.
00:13:40.000 There's probably not going to be somebody like Jim Jordan who I would prefer because there are probably five people who don't like him.
00:13:46.000 And so we've got to go down the list of the Republicans and see who can actually unite a conference.
00:13:51.000 And then the hope is with new leadership, with bold ideas, with everyone realizing that we have to be on the same team, we'll be able to lay out a vision and an agenda.
00:14:01.000 And it might not be as aggressive as we originally thought, but it should be accomplishable.
00:14:06.000 And we're about to go through that process starting tomorrow.
00:14:09.000 Well, so then, well, then who?
00:14:11.000 I mean, if that process sounds really messy, let's just start with numbers.
00:14:14.000 What do you think our House majority is going to be?
00:14:15.000 Let's start there.
00:14:16.000 I would think we're going to be somewhere around 222.
00:14:19.000 Okay, so a four-seat majority.
00:14:21.000 We're improving our odds every day.
00:14:21.000 That's great.
00:14:23.000 So four is better than three.
00:14:25.000 Now, I'll be honest, Matt, you sound a little less bullish on this idea of a slimmer majority than you did a month and a half ago.
00:14:32.000 Is that because four is a little bit riskier than 10 or 12?
00:14:35.000 What's changed?
00:14:36.000 Well, four is definitely less preferable to 10 or 12.
00:14:41.000 But look, I'm still bullish that we're going to be able to do important things.
00:14:43.000 We'll be able to hold the committee gavels, conduct the investigations, hold the line on spending.
00:14:49.000 I think it's going to be absolutely critical.
00:14:51.000 But the major changes regarding immigration, regarding the overall structure of our entitlement programs are not likely to get altered.
00:15:01.000 And a little bit, my perspective is shaped by what the Senate will look like.
00:15:05.000 Look, if we had slim majorities in the House and Senate that could hold together, perhaps that's different than only having a slim majority in the House, one where we know that a Chuck Schumer-controlled Senate is unlikely to do the asylum reforms that we need, the entitlement reforms, work requirements that we would advance.
00:15:22.000 And that doesn't give us a permission slip to avoid passing those bills and laying out that agenda.
00:15:28.000 But I think we're going to have to have great focus.
00:15:30.000 Look, there were a couple places in the country where Republicans did overperform.
00:15:34.000 In Florida and in New York, we really saw Republicans build that America-first working class coalition across gender lines, across racial lines, across even age-based demographics.
00:15:49.000 And we could learn lessons from places like New York, where Lee's Elden ran very strong, places like Florida, where we grew our majorities, where we contributed two additional Republicans to the Republican conference.
00:16:00.000 Same with the House.
00:16:01.000 Same with Arizona is going to be too.
00:16:02.000 Eli Kranin wants Saskamani.
00:16:04.000 So give us some credit out here.
00:16:06.000 All right, we're looking forward to it.
00:16:07.000 I mean, honestly, I'm wondering why in Arizona you guys still want to live this way in terms of never having a clear understanding about how many ballots are out there.
00:16:15.000 People wanted to criticize me because in 2018, we actually went and filed lawsuits to stop them from stealing the election from Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis.
00:16:25.000 And we got judges to issue injunctions in real time so that there wouldn't be this undetermined universe of potential ballots out there.
00:16:33.000 And so I think the reforms regarding transparency that not only we implemented, but then that we were willing to enforce in Florida should be instructive to a state like Arizona, where I think there are like second and third world countries laughing at Arizona over we live here and it's a joke.
00:16:51.000 So Matt, then let's go through some names then.
00:16:54.000 Who could unite the caucus?
00:16:56.000 Well, and you have to remember, just as conservatives and America First MAGA folks would have a veto, so would folks who make up the moderate cleavages of our caucus.
00:17:06.000 But let's go through a few people who I don't believe there are five people who dislike these members of Congress.
00:17:13.000 And by the way, I would not be on this list, but I don't believe there are five people who dislike Jody Arrington.
00:17:18.000 I don't believe there are five people who dislike Roger Williams.
00:17:21.000 I don't believe there are five people who dislike Tim Burchett.
00:17:24.000 I don't believe there are five people who like Kevin Hearn.
00:17:26.000 I don't believe there are five people who dislike Steve Womack.
00:17:29.000 And I don't think there are five people who dislike Patrick McHenry.
00:17:32.000 Now, on the outside, there are also some creative choices.
00:17:35.000 I've heard people talk about Jim DeMint as sort of a, you know, a thought leader in the conservative movement, respected by a lot of people, been out of the exact jousting of the legislative game for a while.
00:17:46.000 I've heard the name Tulsi Gabbard, someone who might actually bring us a few folks from the left who are tired of the corrupt ruling class in this town.
00:17:55.000 Some folks have even thought about dusting off Newt Gingrich and bringing him back as kind of a wise old gray hair.
00:18:02.000 And then if an issue that we need to focus on is central to bringing Republicans together at the border, how about Chad Wolfe?
00:18:09.000 You know, Chad Wolf served in the Trump administration, did great things as the Homeland Security Secretary, still doing a lot of great policy work at the America First Policy Institute.
00:18:18.000 And so those are just some ideas, but we have to go through the stages of grief here a little bit, Charlie.
00:18:24.000 Right now, there are a lot of the establishment Republicans in denial, believing that Kevin McCarthy can somehow still become Speaker.
00:18:31.000 What I'm here to tell you is there are definitely at least five people, actually a lot more than that, who would rather be waterboarded by Liz Cheney than vote for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker of the House.
00:18:43.000 And I'm one of them.
00:18:44.000 And so then you can kind of dispense with that.
00:18:47.000 I think there's a real desire to have fresh faces, new leadership, new ideas, and to turn a new page so that we can get to the important work that we promised the American people we could get to.
00:18:58.000 That will be limited because we won't hold the Senate.
00:19:01.000 We won't hold the White House.
00:19:03.000 But we still have to lay out a competing vision and we have to get ready to fix the flaws of this last election cycle and get into 2024 ready to do battle.
00:19:12.000 Well, also, what it does, it allows us to play defense permanently, meaning no HR1, no DC or Puerto Rico estates, no abolishing the Electoral College.
00:19:19.000 That stuff's not going to happen, right?
00:19:21.000 So that's the good news is that all of that radical stuff has just been grinded to a halt, right?
00:19:26.000 January 6th committee, done day one, all these different sorts of things.
00:19:30.000 So Matt, let me play devil's advocate.
00:19:33.000 Our friend Marjorie Taylor Greene, you like Marjorie, right?
00:19:37.000 Yeah, Marjorie's great.
00:19:37.000 I do.
00:19:38.000 She says we should support Kevin McCarthy.
00:19:41.000 Marjorie, hold on.
00:19:44.000 Let me finish.
00:19:44.000 I'm just articulating Marjorie's belief.
00:19:46.000 And I want, I'm not even saying it's my own.
00:19:49.000 I'm saying this is Marjorie's Bolief, who is one of the most conservative members of Congress.
00:19:53.000 She says it's too risky to try to prevent Kevin from becoming Speaker.
00:19:59.000 Now, Matt, I need you to be like the best defense lawyer you can.
00:20:02.000 What does she mean by risky?
00:20:04.000 And then tell me why you don't hold that view.
00:20:06.000 Well, I think there is a reasonable view that the Democrats could team up with four or five Republicans and try to build their own coalition.
00:20:15.000 And frankly, whether we pick Kevin or not, that's still a threat and a possibility and something we have to watch out for.
00:20:21.000 And we have to do everything we can to ensure that the will of our voters for the reasons they sent us is vindicated in our public service.
00:20:28.000 But whether we pick Kevin or not, that's a risk.
00:20:32.000 I think it's far too risky to pick Kevin McCarthy.
00:20:35.000 I think it's risky to have someone leading our effort going into 2024 who vastly underperformed in 2022.
00:20:42.000 I think it's risky to put someone forward who suggested that Donald Trump resign or be censured.
00:20:47.000 I think it's really risky to have someone as the speaker who said that I was encouraging people to violence just because I criticized Liz Cheney after January 6th.
00:20:57.000 So like there's a lot of things about Kevin McCarthy that I think are very risky.
00:21:01.000 And I think the way to put us on the most stable footing going forward is with new leadership, fresh ideas, new faces.
00:21:08.000 And you know what?
00:21:09.000 It won't be a House Freedom Caucus member.
00:21:11.000 It won't be one of the most boisterous people like Marjorie Taylor Greene or myself.
00:21:16.000 It will likely be someone who can unify all of the segments of our caucus.
00:21:20.000 And that person is not Kevin McCarthy.
00:21:22.000 Just keep in mind, okay? 1.00
00:21:23.000 Yvette Harrell's going to lose in New Mexico by a few thousand votes.
00:21:27.000 Joe Kent is going to lose by a few thousand votes. 0.81
00:21:30.000 Crazy.
00:21:31.000 He burnt tens of millions of dollars in cash with Kevin McCarthy going after people in primaries.
00:21:37.000 Well, attacking Caroline Levitt and attacking Caroline Levitt, Anthony Sabatini, Carl Palladino.
00:21:42.000 In prior cycles, he went after people like George Santos, Ana Paulina Luna.
00:21:46.000 And so when you turn your arsenal against our own team in the primaries and then run out of bullets in the general election, somebody has to question the decisions the general made.
00:21:57.000 And certainly you wouldn't follow that person into battle again.
00:22:00.000 I know I won't.
00:22:01.000 And so I think that the risk profile is highest in supporting someone who like literally went after America first candidates.
00:22:08.000 I'm surprised by my friend Marjorie's decision on this.
00:22:11.000 Yeah, and she's been outspoken that we need to support Kevin.
00:22:14.000 But Matt, I want you to give our audience a little bit of comfort here, though, because I know you're a reasonable person.
00:22:20.000 If it comes down to it and it's a Democrat-created caucus versus Kevin, I mean, what would the decision you and four or five MAGA types would make?
00:22:31.000 I know that's a hypothetical, but it is one where, I mean, we shouldn't lose the House because we can't get our act together.
00:22:37.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:22:38.000 Like losing the House just because, you know, five Republicans want to caucus the Democrats.
00:22:43.000 Now, I really hope that won't happen.
00:22:45.000 But if you look at some of these races that we're winning, Matt, these are some very moderate candidates that are becoming the deciding.
00:22:51.000 I mean, I don't know if you've been following this or not, but these are some extraordinary, these people make Liz Cheney look like a right-winger if you look at some of these races.
00:22:59.000 Well, I think if Democrats are looking to cross the aisle to build a coalition with Republicans, I'm probably not one of the first 200 people that they're reaching out to.
00:23:08.000 So I don't know that I can give you the...
00:23:09.000 No, What I'm saying, though, is that if it came down to supporting someone like Kevin or in the mold of Kevin, you know, is there any Kevin's hand?
00:23:19.000 Because once five Republicans stand up and say, we're never voting for Kevin, then if Kevin chooses to persist, it would be him putting our majority.
00:23:29.000 Who would those five people be?
00:23:31.000 Well, I think that they would be the people that reliably adhere to the promises that they make to their voters.
00:23:38.000 I'm not here to like out or dox anybody.
00:23:40.000 I'll let people make their own announcements in their own time.
00:23:42.000 I'm making my announcement, which is that I'm not voting for Kevin McCarthy.
00:23:46.000 I'm not voting for him tomorrow.
00:23:47.000 I'm not voting for him on the floor.
00:23:50.000 And I am certain that there is a critical mass of people who hold my precise view.
00:23:55.000 And so the sooner we can sort of dispense with the notion that Kevin's going to be speaker, then we can get to the important work of actually looking at who are the people that Brian Fitzpatrick and Matt Gates can agree on.
00:24:05.000 Who are the people?
00:24:10.000 Lee Zeldon?
00:24:12.000 I think the world of Lee Zeldon, I know Lee has a lot of great relationships with the moderates in our caucus, with the Tuesday group.
00:24:20.000 Lee is someone who I think listens to everyone.
00:24:22.000 And by the way, if you look at what happened in New York, I mean, we only are having this majority.
00:24:27.000 He actually, he could take credit for the majority.
00:24:30.000 He could be a non-member speaker.
00:24:33.000 And I totally agree.
00:24:34.000 Lee is totally MAGA, and he has some really good relationships with the establishment, especially he is more kind of in that foreign policy kind of, he is more sympathetic towards that.
00:24:45.000 So he's built a lot of bridges.
00:24:47.000 So, I mean, that sounds interesting.
00:24:49.000 I'm not here to endure.
00:24:50.000 No, no, but I know he wants the job.
00:24:50.000 I'm not here to endorse.
00:24:52.000 I know, but we got to be solution-oriented, right?
00:24:54.000 Because I'm afraid that.
00:24:55.000 I think this is the kind of thinking that's very productive, Charlie, when we start thinking about people who can unite folks.
00:25:01.000 But I mean, how can you view the Kevin McCarthy as a uniter when he burnt tens of millions of dollars shooting at MAGA candidates in the primary?
00:25:08.000 So, yeah, I'm not here to endorse Zeldin.
00:25:11.000 I think that, you know, we would have to really look at whether or not we could have a non-speaker.
00:25:15.000 But when you look at why we have this majority, it is because Lee Zeldon ran a focused, disciplined campaign in New York State, brought people together and that brought people over the line.
00:25:25.000 And it would just seem odd to me to like have this vastly underperforming effort in the midterms and hand the speakership from Nancy Pelosi of California to Kevin McCarthy of California.
00:25:36.000 And where we lost seats we were supposed to win was in the Valley of California.
00:25:40.000 It's like, why not instead of rewarding someone from a delegation that underperformed, why wouldn't we reward someone from a delegation that overperformed?
00:25:47.000 And that's not just New York.
00:25:49.000 There certainly was a lot of great work done in the state of Texas.
00:25:52.000 I know there are a lot of Texans who have good relationships across the caucus as well.
00:25:56.000 And we may see one of them emerge with interest because tomorrow, all we're going to demonstrate is how many people aren't voting for Kevin.
00:26:04.000 So when you see 20, 30, maybe even more than that.
00:26:06.000 This is still happening tomorrow.
00:26:08.000 I'm sorry to interrupt.
00:26:09.000 Can you walk us through the mechanics of this?
00:26:11.000 Tomorrow, there will be a meeting of all of the Republicans and they will vote on who they want to be their leader.
00:26:16.000 Kevin will overwhelmingly win that vote, but there will be tens of people, dozens of people who will not vote for Kevin.
00:26:24.000 And Kevin has had years to try to persuade these people to vote for him.
00:26:27.000 And so he's going to have to like make the press believe that he's had years to get these people on his side.
00:26:34.000 They aren't on his side as of tomorrow.
00:26:36.000 And somehow he's going to get them there by January 3rd.
00:26:40.000 I think that's highly unlikely.
00:26:42.000 So tomorrow is it a closed door meeting?
00:26:43.000 Is it public?
00:26:44.000 It's not a closed door meeting, secret vote.
00:26:46.000 Wait, okay.
00:26:47.000 A real meeting is on January 3rd where it's a public vote.
00:26:49.000 Okay, okay, but hold on.
00:26:50.000 So, but how do we even, how can you guys be doing voting if you don't even know what your majority is going to be?
00:26:55.000 We shouldn't be.
00:26:56.000 I agree with Senator Rubio and others who've said that it is crazy for us to be promising our voters that we're going to stop illegal votes in their elections when in our own leadership elections, like we're inviting people who have not won their races to cast votes.
00:27:11.000 So yeah, right.
00:27:13.000 So like, for example, let's just take Juan Siscamani, who's probably going to win, but he should be in Arizona making sure ballots are counted.
00:27:19.000 Is he like Skyping into the meeting tomorrow?
00:27:22.000 My suspicion is some of them will be here.
00:27:24.000 But like, take a weird example.
00:27:26.000 Like, technically, Nick Begich's race hasn't been called in Alaska.
00:27:29.000 So like, should Nick Begich get to show up and vote in our leadership election?
00:27:33.000 I don't think he's going to win.
00:27:34.000 I don't think he's going to win.
00:27:35.000 That's the problem.
00:27:35.000 Well, yeah, I don't think he's going to win.
00:27:37.000 But the point is, since his race hasn't been called, there's not a provision to block him from voting in the leadership elections.
00:27:42.000 And I don't know who he'd vote for.
00:27:43.000 He might be a swell guy, but the central point is that we should not be having these votes until we are certain who compromises the membership of the Republican Conference.
00:27:54.000 It's so obvious, I'm surprised I even have to say it out loud, but apparently we do.
00:27:59.000 So, Matt, I know you got to go.
00:28:00.000 That was very honest and very complete.
00:28:04.000 So, thank you for that, Matt, and good luck tomorrow.
00:28:07.000 We'll see what happens.
00:28:08.000 Thank you.
00:28:08.000 I hope you guys at least pull into the second world in Arizona.
00:28:12.000 Yeah, that's not going to happen anytime soon.
00:28:14.000 Thank you, Matt.
00:28:15.000 Take care.
00:28:28.000 There's something very strange going on here.
00:28:30.000 So, one of our team members here checked the status of his ballot, and he voted in person in Arizona.
00:28:37.000 So, that should be counted that night in person.
00:28:41.000 And it said that his ballot wasn't tabulated.
00:28:43.000 So, he just contacted Maricopa County, and Maricopa County said they found his ballot, and it hasn't been tabulated yet.
00:28:52.000 Whoa, Hold on a second.
00:28:55.000 How is it that his ballot has not been tabulated if he voted in person on election day?
00:29:01.000 That doesn't make any sense at all whatsoever.
00:29:04.000 There is a chance, a chance that there is a portion of ballots out there that could be, I don't know if it's enough, I have no idea, but the amount of emails I'm receiving, freedom at charliekirk.com, of people that voted in person that have said that their status shows that they haven't voted.
00:29:26.000 Something is very strange going on.
00:29:28.000 I hope we can get some explanation here.
00:29:30.000 Producer Andrew is on the line.
00:29:33.000 Andrew, what do you make of that?
00:29:34.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm watching the emails come in too.
00:29:37.000 You know, we have a whole team that looks at the emails.
00:29:39.000 Charlie looks at every single one of your emails, by the way.
00:29:41.000 It's a crazy feat, especially in the last week where we had tens of thousands of emails.
00:29:46.000 22,000.
00:29:47.000 Literally, goes through them all.
00:29:48.000 Yeah.
00:29:50.000 But I will tell you, we're getting flooded with this.
00:29:53.000 And so, you know, again, not hopium, nothing like this, but it's suspicious.
00:29:58.000 So please go to recorder.maricopa.gov.
00:30:03.000 That's recorder.maricopa.gov.
00:30:06.000 If you were in the Maricopa County area listening to this, check the status of your vote.
00:30:11.000 Check the status of your vote.
00:30:13.000 The Democrats have the get out the vote machines.
00:30:15.000 They have the unions.
00:30:16.000 They've been doing ballot curing for a long, long time.
00:30:19.000 You can check out the website right there.
00:30:19.000 There you go.
00:30:22.000 This is suspicious how many emails we're getting and the fact that it's actually targeting.
00:30:28.000 But no, but no, these are people that voted in person and they said it wasn't box three.
00:30:34.000 And so our team members said the tabulation machine accepted it and said it was counted.
00:30:38.000 The guy on the phone said that it wasn't tabulated and that I should keep checking the website in the coming days to see if it will be counted.
00:30:47.000 What?
00:30:48.000 No, no, this is an in-person election day vote.
00:30:48.000 Yeah.
00:30:52.000 Whoa, whoa, hold on a second.
00:30:53.000 Is it possible that there is an undercount of in-person election day votes that we haven't seen?
00:31:01.000 I mean, just like, let's go through statistics.
00:31:03.000 What is the chance that someone on my team has experienced that?
00:31:07.000 Very low, right?
00:31:08.000 I mean, there's like nine people on our team on the Charlie Kirk show.
00:31:12.000 He called Maricopa County and the guy said it was not yet tabulated, but he voted in person with the ballot.
00:31:18.000 That's supposed to be tabulated the day of.
00:31:20.000 What the heck is going on here?
00:31:22.000 And he just talked to a Maricopa County official who said it wasn't tabulated and he should keep checking the website in the coming days to see if it will be counted.
00:31:34.000 I thought that we had till Wednesday to get this done, right?
00:31:36.000 No, no, no.
00:31:37.000 Not only that, no, no, but we were told that every ballot in person, wait, our baseline is that everything on election day was already counted.
00:31:44.000 This is not true.
00:31:44.000 We have evidence that that's not true.
00:31:46.000 They're lying to us.
00:31:53.000 This is the fact that he got them to say that on the phone, I wish he would have recorded that.
00:31:58.000 Can you call him back and record that call?
00:32:00.000 Seriously.
00:32:01.000 That's an in that, that's not a drop-off vote.
00:32:04.000 That's an in-person election day vote.
00:32:09.000 Wow.
00:32:11.000 Ken says, Charlie, I just checked again, voted in person.
00:32:14.000 My vote has not been counted.
00:32:15.000 I called and Jessica told me they have to count mail and ballots first.
00:32:19.000 This is a guy that voted in person.
00:32:23.000 There's something not right here.
00:32:26.000 Well, you know, Charlie, I mean, not to be conspiratorial, but as we look at how all these, we keep missing our marks, I mean, it's wild.
00:32:35.000 I mean, you know, you start thinking like, you know, we're scratching our heads here going like, how are we missing the, how are we missing the marks?
00:32:43.000 How are we missing the polling that Lorraine said, I voted in person and it says my vote is not yet tabulated.
00:32:51.000 That's not, there should be zero of those.
00:32:53.000 It's one thing if your drop-off vote is not tabulated.
00:32:56.000 Right.
00:32:57.000 Yeah.
00:32:57.000 And that's to your point, Charlie, we keep getting that word that all the ballots have been tabulated.
00:33:02.000 They just haven't been counted and tallied, right?
00:33:05.000 And so that's why they're doing all this.
00:33:07.000 So it gets worse.
00:33:08.000 Our team member says that there were problems with the machines and so his vote will have to be hand counted.
00:33:15.000 Oh my goodness.
00:33:17.000 Third world stuff. 0.97
00:33:18.000 No, this is worse than I thought it was.
00:33:22.000 This one says, Charlie, I voted day of, checked on the website.
00:33:25.000 It wasn't counted.
00:33:28.000 Charlie, I voted in person.
00:33:30.000 It hasn't been counted.
00:33:31.000 Charlie, I just called the county recorders.
00:33:32.000 They said it will be counted in the next couple of days.
00:33:34.000 I voted in person.
00:33:35.000 Charlie, I voted in Youngstown, Arizona, Maricopa County on Election Day.
00:33:38.000 Not counted.
00:33:39.000 My vote was tabulated as accepted.
00:33:42.000 Andrew, there's a chance there's like tens of thousands of favorable votes out there.
00:33:46.000 I'm not trying to be like Hopium. 0.99
00:33:48.000 Again, please, I'm done with all of that, okay?
00:33:51.000 But this is not normal.
00:33:54.000 I don't know what would explain this.
00:33:56.000 Is Tyler able to come on the show?
00:33:57.000 Yeah, he's coming in an hour three.
00:34:00.000 Charlie, I just checked my status, not counted.
00:34:03.000 Geez, Louise, what is going on here?
00:34:05.000 I mean, if we're getting this sample size from our audience alone, if you're not going to be able to do that.
00:34:08.000 Well, I mean, just on my team, I mean, we got nine people on our Charlie Kirk team.
00:34:12.000 That doesn't count what's attorney point USA.
00:34:14.000 What did you guys say?
00:34:16.000 Yours hasn't been tabulated either.
00:34:18.000 Is that the great Jeff?
00:34:20.000 Wow.
00:34:22.000 And you voted in person?
00:34:24.000 He voted in person.
00:34:26.000 That's two people on our team.
00:34:28.000 Well, think about it, Charlie.
00:34:29.000 On day of election day alone, we had, I think it was probably half our team had voting issues.
00:34:35.000 No, there's something here that is not.
00:34:39.000 This could explain why we're missing our, this could explain why our data is out of whack, Andrew.
00:34:44.000 That's what I'm thinking right now.
00:34:45.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:46.000 Email me your thoughts as always freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:49.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:34:50.000 God bless.
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