00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, we talk a little bit about the Project Veritas deal, but we spend a lot of time on the Latin Mass story.
00:00:10.000The Federal Bureau of Investigation is investigating traditional Catholics.
00:01:03.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:25.000This should be one of the biggest stories in the country.
00:01:27.000The Federal Bureau of Investigation, the FBI, our domestic federal national police force, has come out and they had a whole memo that has been leaked by the Richmond FBI, an entire memo titled This.
00:01:44.000Interest of racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists in radical traditionalist Catholic ideology almost certainly presents new mitigation opportunities.
00:01:59.000The document was published by former FBI agent Kyle Serafin, who obtained it from a whistleblower.
00:02:05.000God bless this whistleblower for leaking it.
00:02:07.000So to describe traditionalist Catholics as terrorists in waiting, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the FBI document, relied on assessments from the SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center.
00:02:20.000That's the left-wing group whose entire reason for existence is to slander as many conservative groups as it can as hate groups and domestic terrorists.
00:02:31.000The article also cites an article from the left-wing group salon.com.
00:02:36.000A major piece of evidence that traditional Catholics are radical, according to the document, is the quote, increase in hostility towards abortion rights advocates on social media prior to the Dobbs decision.
00:02:51.000So here is the National Police Force, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, that is writing a memo that they might have to mitigate people of faith.
00:03:31.000You see, God, faith, and community are local and decentralized.
00:03:37.000Strong decentralized communities who have freedom of speech, freedom of inquiry, and free decision-making capacity or agency cannot be governed by tyrants.
00:03:50.000It's very hard to govern and to control the decentralized.
00:03:55.000A local church, a local parish, a local community becomes harder to control.
00:04:02.000Deploying the shock troops, the FBI, to potentially spy on, monitor, and surveill or infiltrate Catholic mass.
00:04:12.000It's not just a violation of the Constitution, but we know the government doesn't care about the Constitution.
00:04:16.000It goes to show who they really deem to be the threat in our country.
00:04:20.000Is the threat the LGBTQ groups that are storming capitals?
00:04:26.000Well, storming might be a little bit, I guess it is storming, flooding the capital in Oklahoma, which that same behavior they said was domestic terrorism and an insurrection.
00:04:37.000Christianity, taking your Christianity seriously, is a threat to totalitarianism.
00:04:44.000If every single day you go through a practice, you go through a set of rituals where you acknowledge that there is a higher power.
00:04:54.000If you acknowledge Genesis 1-1, you are a threat to the regime.
00:04:59.000If you acknowledge very simply, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
00:05:05.000If you actually believe that, then all of a sudden, by definition, it will be harder for you to accept tyranny.
00:05:15.000Every major totalitarian government needed to make people question Genesis 1-1.
00:05:23.000Now, you might have all sorts of different philosophical or religious beliefs in our audience, but you must acknowledge in some way, shape, or form, even if you don't believe Genesis 1-1, at least I want you to believe and be honest to yourself.
00:05:36.000If a society ceases to believe that, what are the implications of that?
00:05:42.000You see, secular totalitarianism necessitates people that do not have faith-filled communities.
00:05:52.000This is the FBI, the federal Bureau of Investigation, that is now potentially going to spy on Catholics.
00:06:01.000Now, they say, Oh, well, we've pulled the memo and we're no longer going to honor this.
00:06:07.000So, the FBI has retracted the document.
00:06:09.000But look, they're not sorry because of what they wrote.
00:06:13.000They retracted it because they got caught.
00:06:16.000One other thing about this document that's very telling is how routine it looks.
00:06:21.000It's not one proposal or just one person where they say, Hey, I think these Catholics are a problem.
00:07:00.000Are they trying to infiltrate churches?
00:07:02.000How does this, how do you reconcile this with religious liberty and religious freedom?
00:07:08.000Look, the FBI can't find enough real terrorists.
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00:07:41.000The entire infrastructure that was set up post-9/11 by Lady Graham and by Republicans and many other people to spy on Americans, create the Patriot Act, and FISA courts.
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00:12:38.000So I want to just build this out a little bit more for the faithful out there.
00:12:43.000And even if you're not a person of faith, you know, we received an email here, Charlie, I love your show.
00:12:47.000I'm an atheist, but this really concerns me.
00:12:50.000It should concern you, regardless of your religious belief.
00:12:53.000This is an issue of liberty and government overreach and separation of powers, but it is a fact that absent some form of a belief in a transcendent moral order and objective good, you are going to be more likely than not to slip into totalitarianism.
00:13:14.000I was just with a group of Turning Point USA supporters this morning and wonderful people who generously support our work.
00:13:21.000And someone said, Charlie, I don't understand why Americans do not want self-government anymore.
00:13:27.000And the best answer I can give to that is: if you want self-government, then you first must have a priority in your own life to pursue virtue, to try to have, to lead a moral and ethical and good life.
00:14:07.000Look, the Soviet Union used to make vodka very cheap to placate the masses.
00:14:13.000They wanted to try to mass medicate society.
00:14:16.000It's one of the reasons why I think the legalization of marijuana could potentially be so damaging, is that you do not want to massively medicate your society or put goggles on an entire generation via the metaverse.
00:14:29.000But look, I do want to ask a certain question here, though.
00:14:33.000So as an evangelical Christian, I don't obviously do confession.
00:14:36.000It's not something that is a sacrament or even a practice in Protestant circles, but I fully get why Catholics do it and why they treasure it, why they value it.
00:14:49.000I think it's really actually healthy if it's done properly.
00:14:53.000And so, but here's a good, here's an interesting question: that in Catholicism, when you confess your sins to a priest, priest, the seal of the confessional is supposed to be ironclad.
00:15:05.000A priest can never reveal what was confessed to him ever.
00:15:09.000Now, again, in Soviet Russia, they used to have informants in the churches, and those informants included priests that would pass the intelligence to the government.
00:15:17.000Here's a very simple question with a historical basis: Would the FBI do the same sort of thing here?
00:15:57.000Let's pretend that the FBI had a document that was revealed, that was leaked, that said that LGBTQ or gay groups might result in violence, and we need to spy on them.
00:16:16.000It would be the number one news story on CNN and MSNBC.
00:16:20.000However, we have allowed ourselves to be conditioned through mass propaganda, through network television, to kind of look at Christians as an easy punching bag.
00:17:22.000And yet the organizations and the nonprofits and now the community of Catholics that are pro-life that has now been relentlessly attacked by the actual terrorists are the ones that get monitored and spied on by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
00:19:05.000I'll tell you, Charlie, I saw this report, and I know that many Catholics are dismayed that the federal government is apparently spying on parishes around the country, especially the parishes that celebrate the traditional Mass.
00:19:19.000But the government's argument is that Catholics who go to this traditional Mass are radical, violent extremists.
00:19:41.000And toddlers tend to be some of the most radical, violent, and extreme people on earth.
00:19:48.000So I don't think the government is going to put them in orange suits and drag my little two-year-old off to Guantanamo Bay or something like that.
00:19:57.000But I could see at least how they would get confused, why they have decided that they want to spy on all the people for just going to Mass.
00:20:07.000What is traditional Catholicism, right?
00:20:10.000Why is this something that is noteworthy for the Federal Bureau of Investigation?
00:20:15.000From my understanding it, these are very devout Catholics that take their faith incredibly seriously, but they have to add this whole idea of Latin Mass.
00:20:24.000Every person that I know that goes to Latin Mass, they're incredibly faithful and take their entire journey very seriously.
00:20:32.000What is it about Latin Mass that the FBI is so concerned about?
00:20:36.000Well, one of the misconceptions is that the Latin Mass is just the Mass in Latin.
00:20:42.000When people talk about the traditional Latin Mass, they're talking about the Mass that existed before the changes that came after the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s and then into the 1970s.
00:20:52.000This was the Mass that existed for pretty much 2,000 years.
00:20:55.000It's the Mass of all the great saints, or at least most of the great saints.
00:20:59.000And it is different in its orientation.
00:21:02.000At that Mass, the priest tends to be facing the altar rather than facing the people.
00:21:37.000I attend the Latin Mass regularly, and the groups that we're talking about here, there's especially one group in particular listed in this memo, but there are a number of others, and there are diocesan masses.
00:21:51.000These are people who are in full unity with the Vatican.
00:21:54.000They're just regular old Catholics who prefer a more reverent and traditional form of the Mass.
00:22:01.000And the federal government says this is a big problem.
00:22:03.000And I think the reason for that is that since the changes that came after the Second Vatican Council, which were not mandated, by the way, by Vatican II, there is a distinction to be made here.
00:22:16.000But after those changes, a lot of Catholics fell away from their faith or became confused by their faith, believe in many cases really central aspects of what's going on at the Mass or their faith.
00:22:28.000And you see this bleed over into political issues.
00:22:31.000So there are a lot of Catholics who will call themselves Catholics.
00:22:38.000There are people who call themselves Catholics.
00:22:39.000They support the radical redefinition of marriage to say that marriage can be between people other than a man and a woman.
00:22:45.000And all these really crazy, radical things.
00:22:48.000Well, when you look at the Catholics who prefer the traditional form of the Mass, that just doesn't happen.
00:22:56.000These are people who are not generally confused by the changes that have come around in the last 50 years.
00:23:04.000And so that's why the government's going after them, because you've got Joe Biden who is scandalously and flagrantly violating core aspects of his faith.
00:23:13.000And the Catholics who prefer the traditional form of worship, they're a real obstacle to him presenting himself as a Catholic.
00:23:22.000And then the other reason is an important phrase, we'll use Latin even if the feds are going to kick in my door for uttering this phrase.
00:23:30.000But the phrase is lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi, meaning the way that we worship God is going to affect the way that we believe, the thoughts that we have, and it's going to affect the way that we live our lives.
00:23:45.000So if you worship God in a way that's really irreverent and it's really just kind of focused on you and other people and your fashions and fun music or whatever, that's going to lead to certain forms of belief and certain way of life.
00:24:01.000And if you worship God in a way that's reverent, it's really focused on God and it's in the way that God seems to want to be worshipped in the scripture, then that's going to lead to other kinds of beliefs about culture, about politics, about your country, about who you are.
00:24:16.000And that's, I think, why the feds are so worried, because if we worship God in a respectful way, then we're not going to put up with the nonsense that these guys are foisting on our culture.
00:24:27.000And so if they want to try to achieve some form of secular totalitarianism, they need to try to infiltrate or stunt the growth, because from what I understand, Latin mass is actually growing in certain communities across the country.
00:24:39.000It's not decreasing despite people's predictions, which were totally and terribly wrong.
00:24:44.000But Michael, can you just comment a little bit on why the Leviathan looks at the faithful as a threat?
00:24:54.000In every totalitarian communist country, they need to try to disconnect the people from a belief in a transcendent order.
00:25:06.000And there are many reasons for this, but the central reason is that Christ's death on the cross and resurrection on the third day is the final most radical political revolution that there can possibly be.
00:25:19.000Because it takes away from tyrants the last tool in their toolbox.
00:25:23.000The last ultimate tool in the toolbox of the tyrants is that they will kill you if you don't do what they say.
00:25:30.000And Christ's death on the cross and his resurrection say, who cares?
00:26:03.000It's very dismaying to see this happen here in the United States because we tend to think of our country as a Christian country.
00:26:09.000We like to think of us as the good guys.
00:26:12.000But our government right now is in such a sorry state.
00:26:16.000I think about our rulers, our rulers who are celebrating the slaughter of babies, our rulers who are demanding the castration of little children.
00:26:27.000And these people say our number one priority where we've got to put our taxpayer resources behind infiltrating mass on Sunday to stop people from radically receiving the Eucharist and kneeling and praying and worshiping God.
00:26:45.000It seems so absurd until you realize that when it comes to corrupt and wicked civil authorities, this has been the case for all of history.
00:26:56.000So, Michael, I got to ask, though, where's our Catholic president speaking out against this or our former Speaker of the House who is Catholic?
00:27:17.000And what is very sad for President Biden, Speaker Pelosi, a lot of other people, Andrew Cuomo, They're happy to tout their faith when they think that it will get them votes and make them seem normal and traditional.
00:27:33.000But the moment that there is a disagreement between their leftism and their Catholicism, 100% of the time, these sorts of people choose leftism.
00:27:44.000And it tells you where their true faith really lies.
00:27:48.000Yeah, and it's not in the internal, the good, or the beautiful or the true.
00:27:53.000Michael, this is extraordinary stuff, and it's been largely quiet from the media.
00:27:59.000I wouldn't be surprised if they're also trying to infiltrate Protestant circles or spying on them.
00:28:04.000We just so happen to know about this because of a single FBI whistleblower.
00:28:09.000The document is not some one-off thing.
00:28:13.000They probably do have active plants and cells within Catholic churches.
00:28:17.000I certainly hope there are no priests going along with it, but I almost guarantee, based on the way the document is written, this seems as if this has been a plan set in motion for quite some time, which really makes you think the line between religious liberty and freedom.
00:28:30.000And we really do have a supply and demand problem with terrorism in our country.
00:28:35.000America is actually a really decent country.
00:28:37.000And the terrorists that are actually the ones bombing pro-life centers, they get seats at the table with the president.
00:28:45.000And traditional Catholics are the ones that get penalized and terrorized.
00:28:52.000I'm sure that our federal agent friends are going into all sorts of churches, some conservative Protestant churches too.
00:28:58.000I, for one, welcome our friends from Quantico.
00:29:01.000Anything that gets someone through the doors of a church and into the pew, fine by me.
00:29:04.000It's a good opportunity for evangelization.
00:29:06.000They're going after the traditional Catholics, as they call us here, especially because it's the oldest, it's the most intransigent form of the faith, and it therefore poses such an opposition to the modern world.
00:29:23.000And when you see what the leftists consider to be their biggest threat, I think that can be a wonderful recommendation of truth, goodness, and beauty.
00:29:33.000If Joe Biden and his jackbooted federal agents are going after something, that's probably a good sign that maybe you should look into it.
00:29:45.000Michael, I want to play a piece of tape here.
00:29:50.000We like to try to play tapes in Nicole Hannah Jones with some regularity because in some ways she is like the high priestess of the secular religion of anti-racism.
00:31:29.000And the irony, of course, is her 1619 project sets out with the explicit goal of resetting the founding of America in 1619.
00:31:38.000She seems to suggest in that interview, well, I'd prefer if it were 1776.
00:31:43.000But no, she's saying it's just us who decides, and I'm going to decide 1619, and it's going to make our country seem really, really terrible.
00:31:49.000But then you really see this perversion of Christianity here where she's talking about the moral arc of the universe.
00:31:55.000Because liberals and progressives have used this line for a long time.
00:32:30.000But what the progressives did is they stole this idea of history and they said, okay, the way history moves is it always just gets better and better and better because we become more rationalist, we become more secular, we become more scientifically advanced.
00:32:46.000And so everything that happened in the past is bad.
00:32:52.000Just give me all your money and all your power.
00:32:54.000And that's how we're going to get there.
00:32:55.000So it's not that it's totally different.
00:32:58.000It's that it's this inversion of Christianity.
00:33:01.000And then what she did is she took it even further.
00:33:03.000She said, no, history, even progress, even progress, that's not real in any objective sense.
00:33:11.000History is just whatever we want it to be.
00:33:14.000And I know George Orwell is always invoked by conservatives, probably a little bit too much, but this is a great example of an Orwellian prediction coming true, which is that she's saying, we can rewrite the history books.
00:33:27.000Every historical, it's just whatever we want it to be.
00:33:31.000And what the Christian would say to that is, no, actually, we have free will.
00:33:36.000We craft our world as best as we can, but there is an overarching providence to the universe.
00:33:43.000God has actually ordered all things from the beginning of time, ultimately, until the end of the age.
00:33:48.000And what Nicole Hannah Jones does is she falls into the same lie that you see in the Garden of Eden.
00:33:52.000You see Whitaker Chambers, a former communist, say this was the central lie of communism, that it all just goes back to that primal evil, which is men believing that we shall be as gods.