The Charlie Kirk Show - May 07, 2024


The FBI’s Fake Photo-Op?


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Julie Kelly has the receipt. She separates fact from fiction. She tells you exactly what's going on here. She also talks about the pallets of boxes that the government apparently sent down to South Florida as well. And so much more!

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 We have a bombshell story from Julie Kelly at declassified.live.
00:00:07.000 You have to check it out.
00:00:08.000 It turns out that the image seen around the world that the FBI leaked to the press after the Mar-a-Lago raid was perhaps not all it was cracked up to be.
00:00:18.000 Maybe it was even doctored.
00:00:20.000 Julie Kelly has the receipt.
00:00:21.000 She tells you exactly what's going on here.
00:00:23.000 She separates fact from fiction.
00:00:25.000 We also talk about the pallets of boxes that the government apparently sent down to South Florida as well.
00:00:30.000 You're going to want to hear that.
00:00:32.000 And so much more.
00:00:32.000 We also have Julie Hartman, Class of 22 of Harvard, talking about the campus protests, how we need to get rid of the DEI establishment.
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00:03:24.000 I have Julie Kelly, declassified.live, declassified with Julie Kelly's The Substack.
00:03:30.000 Declassified.live.
00:03:32.000 Everybody needs to check it out.
00:03:34.000 She has a bombshell story, and I say that with, you know, I know that term gets overused.
00:03:40.000 This is a bombshell, folks.
00:03:41.000 Charlie tweeted it out earlier this morning, linked to the substack article from Julie.
00:03:48.000 So without further ado, Julie Kelly, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:03:52.000 Hey, Andrew, thanks so much for having me on.
00:03:55.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:03:56.000 I feel like, you know, You've been on with Charlie many times, but the last two times I've just timed it out where you have these bombshells where I'm hosting.
00:04:04.000 So, you know, you get me.
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00:04:08.000 Julie, you do amazing work on this stuff.
00:04:10.000 You really do.
00:04:11.000 It's like you, Mike Davis, John Solomon.
00:04:14.000 I mean, there's really, there's not too many people that are covering this in depth.
00:04:17.000 The mainstream news media is completely ignoring it, but this is big.
00:04:22.000 And I want everybody to take a look at image number 71.
00:04:26.000 That image.
00:04:27.000 And if you are at all following the news for the last couple of years, Julie, this image is famous.
00:04:34.000 It went viral.
00:04:36.000 And I'm going to let you do it because you are the expert here.
00:04:41.000 But suffice to say, Julie, am I wrong when I say that image was a complete fabrication?
00:04:48.000 It is staged.
00:04:49.000 Tell us the details.
00:04:51.000 It is a complete fabrication.
00:04:53.000 Now, when that photo was released in a court, in a lawsuit that Donald Trump had filed about the Mar-a-Lago raid, that photo was included by the Department of Justice as an exhibit to show part of the records, classified documents that were taken out of Mar-a-Lago.
00:05:13.000 Now, the purpose of that photo, Andrew, and what I believed at the time, and I think a lot of people believed, and the DOJ at the time tried to make the court and the public believe, is that that is the condition in which those records were found.
00:05:28.000 That they had those scary-looking colored official cover sheets to denote the classification level of the records that they took.
00:05:38.000 Well, what we now know in all of these motions now and briefs that are being filed in the classified documents case, what happened, Andrew, is the FBI brought those cover sheets to the raid.
00:05:52.000 They attached, and if you look closely, you can see how they are paperclipped in uniform fashion.
00:05:59.000 They took those cover sheets, they took them to the raid, they attached them to files, they spread them on the floor, they took a photo, and then they tried to deceive the American people and the court, Judge Cannon, into believing that is how the records were found.
00:06:14.000 They were not found that way.
00:06:16.000 The FBI brought those cover sheets, not just for that photo, but also as placeholders to put to replace in a box full of other items or other papers, use it as a placeholder to indicate where a classified record had been found.
00:06:32.000 They had to take the classified record out, put it in a secure, you know, location for classified discovery evidence.
00:06:40.000 But that is also how the cover sheets were used for this stunt.
00:06:45.000 Doctored evidence in a lawsuit and an official government filing.
00:06:50.000 Now we know they staged the entire thing.
00:06:54.000 Okay, so we are showing the image of that, that famous image with all the documents after the raid.
00:07:00.000 The FBI was like, and they spread them out on the floor, they splayed them out, and they put all these top secret cover sheets on them.
00:07:06.000 Oh, look at this.
00:07:07.000 And it's got all the confidential markings.
00:07:09.000 And the whole world went bananas, as you'll remember, Julie.
00:07:13.000 I mean, this was the image seen around the world.
00:07:15.000 Look at this.
00:07:16.000 Donald Trump is going to get America bombed by, you know, or whatever.
00:07:19.000 It's a threat to national security.
00:07:21.000 I'm just going to play one of these, Julie.
00:07:22.000 I had the team pull some of the contemporary reactions to it.
00:07:25.000 Let's go ahead and play Cut 55 just for some entertainment.
00:07:28.000 I was actually shocked by because what it tells us is that as far back as January, the government knew that not just classified documents, but the most highly classified documents in the government categorized were found in that 15 boxes of documents that the Trump team turned over.
00:07:43.000 So these are the kind of documents, Kristen, that you have to go into a special room to look at.
00:07:47.000 That the disclosure of which could compromise sources and methods could get people killed.
00:07:53.000 Could get people killed, Julie.
00:07:55.000 Turns out it gets worse, though, correct?
00:07:59.000 The cover sheet that they used to make it look, oh, look at Trump literally took this document that was clearly marked as highly classified and he put it in a box and he was just storing it in a bathroom at Mar-a-Lago.
00:08:14.000 We raided the president's home for national security because people could get killed.
00:08:19.000 That's not what happened.
00:08:20.000 They put a piece of paper that they brought with them and then they attached it to the wrong documents.
00:08:27.000 Those they don't even correspond or line up.
00:08:30.000 Am I making this part up?
00:08:32.000 Well, let's get to that part, but let's go back to how the FBI doctored that photo.
00:08:38.000 What agents are responsible for putting those classified cover sheets on files?
00:08:46.000 Were they intelligence experts, Andrew?
00:08:48.000 Did they know right away that that document was high top secret or this one was simply confidential or classified?
00:08:56.000 Were they experts that they could make such an on-site, quick determination?
00:09:02.000 Did their assessment also correspond with the intelligence community review that we were told had to be conducted as well?
00:09:14.000 Did the agents get that right?
00:09:16.000 Were the red sheets the highest level, you know, flashing red lights?
00:09:21.000 This is the worst nuclear secrets.
00:09:25.000 Is that actually then what the intelligence community determined after they did their assessment?
00:09:31.000 How can you have FBI field agents at Mar-a-Lago just willy-nilly determining whatever the markings might have been on these papers to the extent that there were any markings?
00:09:42.000 How did they not know that they had not been declassified by Donald Trump?
00:09:46.000 They didn't care because they got what they wanted, which is a few weeks after the raid, as even some Biden regime-friendly outlets were kind of criticizing Merrick Garland for this, thinking, is this really the best course?
00:10:00.000 That photo drops, and everyone goes, see, this FBI raid was worth it because look at these top secret documents that threaten national security and could have resulted in the murder of human intelligence sources around the world.
00:10:15.000 So now we know that that was a stunt.
00:10:18.000 Now, to your point, even more alarming now, the disclosure by Jack Smith and his filing late Friday, is that those cover sheets, when they were used as placeholders, as I explained in these boxes, they can't even say for certain that every placeholder classified cover sheet used as a placeholder among all these other papers corresponds with the classified document that they took out of the box.
00:10:46.000 So, where are those records then?
00:10:49.000 How can you say, well, this nuclear secret document was found in box number 16, and here's the location where it is.
00:10:56.000 Here's the placeholder.
00:10:57.000 What Jack Smith is basically saying, well, in some instances, we can't confirm that that piece of paper some random agent put in there actually corresponds to matches the alleged classified document taken out of there.
00:11:13.000 Furthermore, Andrew, the DOJ just admitted that the contents of the boxes when they were first seized in August of 2022 are not in the same condition now.
00:11:26.000 That a lot of the items or papers have been misplaced or moved around.
00:11:32.000 And in fact, the defense attorney said, even the classified documents were told that were in that box, we were told the index, the FBI index says it was here.
00:11:41.000 But then we find it hundreds of pages later.
00:11:45.000 So Jack Smith just admitted to, yes, the boxes currently are not in the same condition they were after the raid in August of 2022.
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00:12:55.000 Julie, so let me get this straight.
00:12:57.000 So not only did they doctor an image, we only found this out because Eileen Cannon, Judge Eileen Cannon, is not apparently owned by the deep state and by the government gangsters, as Kash Patel likes to say.
00:13:11.000 I'm going to read, I guess this would be a truth from Kash Patel.
00:13:16.000 He says, translation, government gangsters possess classified docks, ship them to Mar-a-Lago to 45, then charged him.
00:13:26.000 So the GSA possessed the boxes of 45's papers before they shipped them to Mar-a-Lago.
00:13:32.000 Explain this pallets of boxes story.
00:13:35.000 What's true and what are the implications?
00:13:39.000 So this is a big question, Andrew, related to the chain of custody of all of these various boxes that were at Mar-a-Lago.
00:13:47.000 So you had boxes that were packed up at the end of the administration, some of them packed up by the White House records management staff, perhaps some from the National Archives.
00:13:58.000 Those boxes transported to Mar-a-Lago after the end of the presidency.
00:14:04.000 Then you had upwards of 100 boxes of presidential, we're told presidential or government records, they had to be, that the GSA, the General Services Administration, who handles presidential transitions, kept at a storage facility outside of Washington in suburban Virginia.
00:14:24.000 They kept those boxes for six or seven months before they notified Trump's team, hey, we've got to get rid of these boxes.
00:14:32.000 The transition period is over.
00:14:34.000 We can't, as a government, continue to fund this or house these records.
00:14:38.000 Where do you want them?
00:14:39.000 They had six pallets of boxes.
00:14:41.000 Two pallets went to Mar-a-Lago.
00:14:43.000 Four went to another storage unit in, I believe, West Palm Beach.
00:14:48.000 So you had almost, I guess it was 2,000 pounds of records.
00:14:54.000 This is based on the pallet weight going to Mar-a-Lago.
00:14:58.000 Those boxes then put somewhere inside of Mar-a-Lago, presumably the storage room where, you know, allegedly these classified documents were found.
00:15:09.000 So the question, Andrew, and this is something that the defense attorneys have been asking, is accountability for which boxes were personal items, which boxes were transported to Mar-a-Lago after the end of the presidency in January of 2021, a truck showing up on the plane, et cetera, versus what boxes the government had custody of for more than seven months before they were then transported and housed at Mar-a-Lago.
00:15:37.000 If those boxes, and it does appear that in December of 2022, after another search by Trump's team for papers with classified markings, that a few of those documents were found in the boxes that had been shipped from the GSA to Mar-a-Lago.
00:15:55.000 So how are they going to then meet the willful element of the Espionage Act that Donald Trump willfully took those documents without authorization and kept them, hid them from the government, hid them from a subpoena, and then tried to hide them again from the FBI.
00:16:15.000 If he never saw those records, if those boxes had never been opened because they were delivered in September of 2021, the raid was August of 2022.
00:16:25.000 How can he possibly be responsible or guilty of the Espionage Act when he didn't even pack them or know that they were there?
00:16:36.000 Well, so in layman's terms, Julie, and I know you have to be very specific, but what I'm hearing you say is the government had all these boxes.
00:16:45.000 Probably some of them had confidential documents inside, shipped them to Trump, and then basically said, Trump, you're guilty of violating the Espionage Acts for boxes that we ship to you.
00:16:57.000 That is a possibility that has not been proven because we don't know which boxes the FBI took out of Mar-a-Lago in that raid, whether they were original boxes or the GSA boxes.
00:17:10.000 Well, I assume we will find that out at trial or at some point.
00:17:14.000 But again, the defense attorneys are asking for chain of custody and identification of every box that the FBI has, both the NARA boxes and the boxes that they took during the raid.
00:17:25.000 Well, but Julie, they can't even now we're finding out that Jack Smith and his goons can't even tell you if the boxes are in the same order as when they raided the, I mean, they don't have any idea on chain of custody.
00:17:38.000 So we're expecting them to be able to piece back together 100 boxes that were shipped down in Pallets to West Palm and Mar-a-Lago.
00:17:45.000 Like the whole thing, I mean, this whole thing feels like entrapment.
00:17:50.000 You know, and I think the onus needs to be on the government to say that they weren't entrapping a former president.
00:17:57.000 I've called it entrapment.
00:17:58.000 If people want a whole timeline too of the Biden-White House collusion with this involvement, you can pick up, look at my piece at Real Clear Investigations that gives a detailed timeline as to how we got here.
00:18:08.000 All right.
00:18:09.000 Thank you, Julie Kelly.
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00:19:36.000 I'm very excited about this new guest, this next guest.
00:19:38.000 There's a new guest to the show.
00:19:40.000 Her name is Julie Hartman, and she is host of the Dennis and Julie show, Dennis Prager.
00:19:47.000 And she is a Harvard grad.
00:19:49.000 And so what a perfect guest to have to talk as our schools, our universities, and our campuses are getting embroiled in this pro-Hamas movement, these encampments.
00:19:59.000 So without further ado, Julie, welcome to the show.
00:20:02.000 Thank you so much for having me on.
00:20:04.000 Yeah, honored to have you.
00:20:05.000 I've been hearing so much about you from so many mutual friends.
00:20:10.000 I think people are inspired by your voice, by what you did with your senior speech at Harvard when you graduated.
00:20:18.000 You were invited to give a senior speech.
00:20:21.000 I want to play that.
00:20:22.000 I had my team clip it really quick, but just introduce yourself to our audience and what you're doing with Dennis Prager.
00:20:29.000 Sure.
00:20:29.000 So as you said, my name is Julie Hartman.
00:20:31.000 I'm 24 years old and I graduated from Harvard about two years ago, coming up on two years, which is crazy.
00:20:38.000 Time flies.
00:20:39.000 But when I was a sophomore in college, I had kind of a big political awakening because that was the year that I was sent home due to the COVID lockdowns.
00:20:49.000 And that was also the summer of 2020 when Black Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter riots convulsed all throughout our cities. 0.78
00:20:58.000 And I looked around, Andrew, and I said, if this is the left, this is not who I am.
00:21:03.000 So I went online and I looked up what do conservatives think about police.
00:21:08.000 And there I found Prager You.
00:21:10.000 That brought me to Dennis Prager.
00:21:12.000 And because it was during quarantine, I had nothing but time to learn and read the great books of many conservatives.
00:21:20.000 And I realized my conservative instincts.
00:21:24.000 And so to make a long story short, I contacted Dennis Prager.
00:21:27.000 I just emailed him to thank him for his influence on my thinking.
00:21:31.000 He then very graciously invited me in to watch his radio show.
00:21:36.000 When I was there, he invited me on the radio.
00:21:38.000 And then one thing led to another.
00:21:40.000 And now we have a show together called Dennis and Julie, where we talk about all of life, but especially the crisis among my generation specifically, which is overwhelmingly, unfortunately, anti-American.
00:21:54.000 Yeah, and I love that.
00:21:56.000 I love that kind of journey that you went on of discovery.
00:22:00.000 I wish more young people would similarly take it upon themselves to research what both sides actually believe and where their values are emanating from, the sources of a lot of these ideological rots and cancers in our culture.
00:22:15.000 And I mean, hat tip to you for taking the initiative.
00:22:18.000 It shows, I mean, I understand why Dennis gravitated towards doing a show with you.
00:22:23.000 And by the way, to Dennis's credit, he's always taken such an interest in young people.
00:22:28.000 Charlie credits him as one of his first and foremost most important teachers in his life.
00:22:34.000 And Dennis pours himself out into the next generation with Prager You and so many other things.
00:22:38.000 So I'm going to play some clips from your senior speech.
00:22:40.000 I know you have a show with Dennis, but this senior speech was really something.
00:22:44.000 Let's go ahead and play CUT 75.
00:22:48.000 Last spring break, I went on a trip with 100 other Harvard undergraduates to Israel.
00:22:54.000 It was one of the most extraordinary experiences of my life, and I will always be grateful to Harvard for that.
00:23:02.000 I recall the trip with awe and joy, but a certain moment rattled me.
00:23:08.000 Our group attended a Shabbat dinner at a Tel Aviv synagogue.
00:23:12.000 The rabbi proclaimed, welcome to Israel.
00:23:16.000 You are all here from America, the best country in the world.
00:23:21.000 He paused, but not a single person clapped.
00:23:28.000 The Israelis stared in disbelief.
00:23:31.000 Americans are the freest, most privileged people on earth.
00:23:35.000 Yet many of us are ashamed to show any, even the tiniest trace of national pride.
00:23:42.000 Why?
00:23:44.000 Because we Americans of recent generations have been swaddled in prosperity and security, and in consequence, have become ungrateful for the blessings we enjoy.
00:23:56.000 Cutting stuff right there, Julie.
00:23:59.000 What a moment, by the way.
00:24:01.000 And really what you're describing there, you're seeing manifest on college campuses right now with so many of these protesters.
00:24:09.000 Connect the dots for us.
00:24:10.000 What was your experience like at Harvard?
00:24:12.000 And can you draw a direct line between your experience and what we're seeing now at Columbia and so many other schools?
00:24:20.000 Well, I want to say that overall, despite being sent home for a year and a half of my college experience due to the irrational and terrible COVID lockdowns, I do want to say that in many ways, I had a great experience at Harvard.
00:24:34.000 I made a lot of great friends.
00:24:35.000 I had a great dorm.
00:24:37.000 I had a lot of opportunities, including, ironically, as I said at the beginning of the speech, the opportunity to go to Israel.
00:24:44.000 So I'm saying this because I believe that these institutions have enormous opportunity to be places of growth and places where people can really go and thrive.
00:24:57.000 And in some ways, I did do that at Harvard.
00:24:59.000 That being said, I also saw some of the, I think, kind of seeds of the craziness that has metastasized now.
00:25:09.000 And mainly, I saw what I identified in that video, that few people on campus, if any, showed any semblance of national pride.
00:25:18.000 Putting an American flag up in your dorm or saying you're proud to be American was kind of deemed a conservative thing.
00:25:24.000 You know, you don't do that.
00:25:25.000 It's not cool to do that.
00:25:27.000 I also remember people would protest about various things.
00:25:31.000 There was a speech one time on campus and many individuals went in and disrupted it, calling for Harvard to divest from fossil fuels.
00:25:40.000 And the administration didn't do anything about it.
00:25:42.000 They just let the protesters go in and wreak havoc on the ceremony.
00:25:46.000 I remember people got really upset because there was a class at one of the graduate schools on policing.
00:25:52.000 And so right now, when we see the explosion of entitlement and extremism on these campuses, my response to these universities is, well, you've given the mouse a cookie so many times.
00:26:06.000 You've allowed people to protest.
00:26:08.000 You've allowed people to shout you down.
00:26:10.000 What did you expect?
00:26:11.000 And I definitely saw that when I was in college.
00:26:14.000 Yeah.
00:26:15.000 And you know, you're seeing this now with what's going on with Charlie visiting University of Washington.
00:26:20.000 We had Jason Rance on earlier, who lives in Seattle.
00:26:24.000 And his basic observation is that the administration is completely pandering to this encampment that has grown day by day.
00:26:34.000 Now it's over 150 tenths large.
00:26:36.000 It started with 10.
00:26:37.000 And that would have been a great opportunity for them to, you know, disperse the encampment and say, you can't, this is illegal occupation of campus grounds, which a public university.
00:26:46.000 You can't do this.
00:26:47.000 You can protest here, apply for a permit.
00:26:49.000 We could give you some other space to speak freely.
00:26:52.000 But this is the real thing.
00:26:54.000 And I'm going to pull a clip from Columbia in just a second, which I think perfectly encapsulates the entitlement we see from some of these protesters.
00:27:05.000 But Julie, it's also being funded, right, by outside groups.
00:27:09.000 We've seen reports that money is flowing in.
00:27:12.000 Outside agitators are radicalizing these students.
00:27:15.000 I'm not sure you ever saw anything like that, but it also, the implications are profound.
00:27:21.000 Because, again, if a conservative student or a conservative group like Turning Point USA does anything, you know, we're having to negotiate with the police in advance.
00:27:30.000 It's highly scrutinized.
00:27:31.000 There's a lot of attention.
00:27:33.000 Meanwhile, these outside groups seem to be acting with impunity.
00:27:35.000 Did you see anything like that in your time at Harvard?
00:27:39.000 But if you didn't, what do you make of those outside groups being involved that are Democrat donors, by the way?
00:27:46.000 Well, I think a lot of outside agents, both foreign and domestic, stand to benefit from the kind of division that we are seeing now.
00:27:53.000 So it is not shocking to me at all.
00:27:55.000 I mean, this is not an example of direct funding per se, but look at all of the radicalism that has spread on TikTok.
00:28:02.000 We know the parent company of TikTok is ByteDance, which is a CCP-backed enterprise.
00:28:07.000 So there are a lot of kind of currents going on here, which are pushing, to your point, this kind of rancid explosion on these college campuses that we're seeing.
00:28:17.000 So a lot of people definitely do stand to benefit from this, and it's something that we should be aware of.
00:28:21.000 But, you know, as terrible as all of this is, I have to say, Andrew, I think that something good may come out of this.
00:28:29.000 And maybe that's just my optimistic side.
00:28:32.000 But these campuses have become non-functional.
00:28:38.000 Columbia just canceled its main graduation.
00:28:40.000 Students are on Zoom.
00:28:41.000 Students are going home.
00:28:43.000 These universities have to recalibrate or they will continue to be non-functional.
00:28:47.000 So that's the silver lining here.
00:28:49.000 Yeah, I do think there's an opportunity for improvement.
00:28:53.000 I mean, you saw MIT got rid of their DEI statement and they were actually the first elite university to reinstate standardized test scores.
00:29:02.000 And then other Ives are following suit.
00:29:05.000 So there are some positive movements.
00:29:08.000 I'm nervous, though, Julie, that this whole thing is going to be taken to clamp down on what should be free speech, what should be protected protests and protected speech.
00:29:19.000 So one of the things I'm really worried about is that, you know, in order to shore up different constituencies within the Democrat coalition, Joe Biden's going to start clamping down on some constitutionally protected free speech.
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00:30:33.000 Well, first of all, we're saying that they're obligated to provide food to students who pay for a meal plan here.
00:30:39.000 But you mentioned that there was a request that food and water be brought in.
00:30:42.000 Unless I missed an audience.
00:30:43.000 To allow it to be brought in.
00:30:44.000 I mean, well, I guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of community and obligation Columbia feels it has to its students.
00:30:51.000 Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill, even if they disagree with you?
00:30:58.000 If the answer is no, then you should allow basic, I mean, it's crazy to say because we're on an Ivy League campus, but this is like basic humanitarian aid we're asking for.
00:31:06.000 Like, could people please have a glass of water?
00:31:08.000 But they did put themselves in that very deliberately in that situation and in that position.
00:31:15.000 So it seems like you're sort of saying, we want to be revolutionaries, we want to take over this building.
00:31:20.000 Now would you please bring us food and water?
00:31:23.000 Nobody's asking them to bring anything.
00:31:25.000 We're asking them to not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid.
00:31:30.000 They're stopping that delivery of the food.
00:31:33.000 We are looking for a commitment from them that they will not stop it.
00:31:36.000 We haven't stopped it yet.
00:31:39.000 Well, I don't know to what extent it has been attempted, but we're looking for a commitment.
00:31:45.000 All right, Julie, they're looking for the revolutionary meal plan.
00:31:49.000 I just had to play that clip because it is, it feels like the perfect embodiment of this entitlement you're describing.
00:31:56.000 Oh, it's absolutely true.
00:31:59.000 It's, you know, I think that what's happening now, as I said, has been allowed to spread for so long on these university campuses.
00:32:09.000 Every time university presidents or donors or professors allowed a lie to be spread about America, every time they judged people based on race or oppressor status, every time they allowed crazy theories about gender or policing to spread, every time they allowed a protest on climate change to happen, they laid a brick in the now massive edifice of entitlement and extremism that we just saw.
00:32:35.000 Yeah.
00:32:36.000 They fed the beast and now the students are demanding to be fed.
00:32:39.000 Yep.
00:32:40.000 Julie, I want to wrestle with this topic, this idea of censorship, of using anti-Semitism as a way to infringe upon constitutionally protected speech.
00:32:52.000 Right now, everybody hates anti-Semitism, at least most people do.
00:32:57.000 I would say the vast majority of the country is appalled by it.
00:33:01.000 That being said, listen to this clip today.
00:33:04.000 This is our education secretary talking about how he needs more money to police this stuff.
00:33:09.000 CUT 72, sir.
00:33:11.000 Let me put it this way.
00:33:12.000 Will you commit to launching compliance reviews of campuses within the next 30 days?
00:33:17.000 We have a process where we're providing information to campuses.
00:33:20.000 We've done more in the last six, seven months than the previous administration has done.
00:33:25.000 It's not working.
00:33:27.000 It's not working.
00:33:27.000 If you fund what we've seen in the last two weeks, you know, I appreciate the fact the University of Michigan did not negotiate, ended up going on with their commencement, speaking parochially here.
00:33:38.000 But Jewish students are still in fear of their lives and their academic success on that campus and many other campuses.
00:33:47.000 And the opportunity that you have to launch these reviews, you have solely.
00:33:53.000 It doesn't take Congress or anyone else to ask you.
00:33:56.000 I certainly hope you'll make this a priority because it's for the future and present of students and universities and colleges under your priority supervision.
00:34:08.000 So Julie, you can see there's a tremendous amount of pressure to police anti-Semitism on campus.
00:34:14.000 What is the right balance there between speech and bringing these universities to heal?
00:34:21.000 Listen, I am a free speech absolutist. 0.97
00:34:23.000 I think that all of the anti-Semitic rhetoric that we are seeing right now, where Jews are being called pigs and dogs on these college campuses, I think that is despicable. 0.88
00:34:35.000 And I completely and totally disavow that. 0.82
00:34:38.000 That being said, I think that people should be allowed to say what they want to say, including terrible things.
00:34:46.000 We in this country should not police speech.
00:34:48.000 We should police conduct. 0.52
00:34:50.000 When that crosses over into conduct and violence, that is what we should police.
00:34:55.000 So I think with this Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, if Republicans are trying to highlight the hypocrisy of Democrats in that, you know, they are turning a blind eye to anti-Semitism when they are always talking about, for instance, you know, anti-Black racism, they're doing a good job.
00:35:13.000 If the Republican Party is trying to highlight that anti-discrimination law is not equally applied to Jews, yes, that is true. 1.00
00:35:21.000 But we need to be getting away from anti-discrimination policing speech law.
00:35:27.000 We need to be getting away from protections based on group identity and government getting involved.
00:35:33.000 Again, my position is that we allow people to say what they want, including terrible things, but we vigorously police conduct and action.
00:35:42.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:35:43.000 And Joe Biden also weighed in this morning.
00:35:46.000 He's obviously feeling the pressure to police this because he's caught between his donor class and the establishment in Congress versus the activist class.
00:35:58.000 And so he's really up against it.
00:36:00.000 I'm going to pull this clip here that I think shows this perfectly.
00:36:05.000 Cut 64.
00:36:06.000 I understand people have strong beliefs and deep convictions about the world.
00:36:11.000 In America, we respect and protect the fundamental right to free speech, to debate and disagree, to protest peacefully, and make our voices heard.
00:36:26.000 I understand that's America.
00:36:28.000 But there is no place on any campus in America, any place in America, for anti-Semitism or hate speech or threats of violence of any kind.
00:36:39.000 Seems like he's getting away from this free speech absolutism that you and I both share.
00:36:47.000 Julie, take it away.
00:36:49.000 What should be done?
00:36:50.000 What is the right path for both for these universities and for the country?
00:36:55.000 Fire every single DEI or DEI-related employee in these schools.
00:37:00.000 That is step number one.
00:37:02.000 Step number two is to go back to making these universities American.
00:37:07.000 It is not intellectually imperialist to teach American values.
00:37:11.000 It is not intellectually imperialist to require Western civilization courses as was once required on these universities.
00:37:17.000 Amen.
00:37:18.000 This is America.
00:37:19.000 We are American universities.
00:37:21.000 We need to get back to our roots.
00:37:24.000 That's why I call myself a conservative.
00:37:25.000 I want to conserve the principles of the American founding.
00:37:28.000 That is the course of action that these universities should take.
00:37:31.000 And by the way, all of the donors should pull their money immediately until they change course.
00:37:37.000 Amen.
00:37:38.000 Well said, Julie.
00:37:39.000 Julie Hartman, check out the Dennis and Julie show by all means.
00:37:44.000 Great work, Julie.
00:37:45.000 Thank you for coming on.
00:37:46.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:37:47.000 Talk to you soon.
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