00:00:08.000It turns out that the image seen around the world that the FBI leaked to the press after the Mar-a-Lago raid was perhaps not all it was cracked up to be.
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00:04:53.000Now, when that photo was released in a court, in a lawsuit that Donald Trump had filed about the Mar-a-Lago raid, that photo was included by the Department of Justice as an exhibit to show part of the records, classified documents that were taken out of Mar-a-Lago.
00:05:13.000Now, the purpose of that photo, Andrew, and what I believed at the time, and I think a lot of people believed, and the DOJ at the time tried to make the court and the public believe, is that that is the condition in which those records were found.
00:05:28.000That they had those scary-looking colored official cover sheets to denote the classification level of the records that they took.
00:05:38.000Well, what we now know in all of these motions now and briefs that are being filed in the classified documents case, what happened, Andrew, is the FBI brought those cover sheets to the raid.
00:05:52.000They attached, and if you look closely, you can see how they are paperclipped in uniform fashion.
00:05:59.000They took those cover sheets, they took them to the raid, they attached them to files, they spread them on the floor, they took a photo, and then they tried to deceive the American people and the court, Judge Cannon, into believing that is how the records were found.
00:06:16.000The FBI brought those cover sheets, not just for that photo, but also as placeholders to put to replace in a box full of other items or other papers, use it as a placeholder to indicate where a classified record had been found.
00:06:32.000They had to take the classified record out, put it in a secure, you know, location for classified discovery evidence.
00:06:40.000But that is also how the cover sheets were used for this stunt.
00:06:45.000Doctored evidence in a lawsuit and an official government filing.
00:06:50.000Now we know they staged the entire thing.
00:06:54.000Okay, so we are showing the image of that, that famous image with all the documents after the raid.
00:07:00.000The FBI was like, and they spread them out on the floor, they splayed them out, and they put all these top secret cover sheets on them.
00:07:21.000I'm just going to play one of these, Julie.
00:07:22.000I had the team pull some of the contemporary reactions to it.
00:07:25.000Let's go ahead and play Cut 55 just for some entertainment.
00:07:28.000I was actually shocked by because what it tells us is that as far back as January, the government knew that not just classified documents, but the most highly classified documents in the government categorized were found in that 15 boxes of documents that the Trump team turned over.
00:07:43.000So these are the kind of documents, Kristen, that you have to go into a special room to look at.
00:07:47.000That the disclosure of which could compromise sources and methods could get people killed.
00:07:55.000Turns out it gets worse, though, correct?
00:07:59.000The cover sheet that they used to make it look, oh, look at Trump literally took this document that was clearly marked as highly classified and he put it in a box and he was just storing it in a bathroom at Mar-a-Lago.
00:08:14.000We raided the president's home for national security because people could get killed.
00:09:25.000Is that actually then what the intelligence community determined after they did their assessment?
00:09:31.000How can you have FBI field agents at Mar-a-Lago just willy-nilly determining whatever the markings might have been on these papers to the extent that there were any markings?
00:09:42.000How did they not know that they had not been declassified by Donald Trump?
00:09:46.000They didn't care because they got what they wanted, which is a few weeks after the raid, as even some Biden regime-friendly outlets were kind of criticizing Merrick Garland for this, thinking, is this really the best course?
00:10:00.000That photo drops, and everyone goes, see, this FBI raid was worth it because look at these top secret documents that threaten national security and could have resulted in the murder of human intelligence sources around the world.
00:10:18.000Now, to your point, even more alarming now, the disclosure by Jack Smith and his filing late Friday, is that those cover sheets, when they were used as placeholders, as I explained in these boxes, they can't even say for certain that every placeholder classified cover sheet used as a placeholder among all these other papers corresponds with the classified document that they took out of the box.
00:10:57.000What Jack Smith is basically saying, well, in some instances, we can't confirm that that piece of paper some random agent put in there actually corresponds to matches the alleged classified document taken out of there.
00:11:13.000Furthermore, Andrew, the DOJ just admitted that the contents of the boxes when they were first seized in August of 2022 are not in the same condition now.
00:11:26.000That a lot of the items or papers have been misplaced or moved around.
00:11:32.000And in fact, the defense attorney said, even the classified documents were told that were in that box, we were told the index, the FBI index says it was here.
00:11:41.000But then we find it hundreds of pages later.
00:11:45.000So Jack Smith just admitted to, yes, the boxes currently are not in the same condition they were after the raid in August of 2022.
00:11:55.000This is very problematic on many levels.
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00:12:57.000So not only did they doctor an image, we only found this out because Eileen Cannon, Judge Eileen Cannon, is not apparently owned by the deep state and by the government gangsters, as Kash Patel likes to say.
00:13:11.000I'm going to read, I guess this would be a truth from Kash Patel.
00:13:16.000He says, translation, government gangsters possess classified docks, ship them to Mar-a-Lago to 45, then charged him.
00:13:26.000So the GSA possessed the boxes of 45's papers before they shipped them to Mar-a-Lago.
00:13:35.000What's true and what are the implications?
00:13:39.000So this is a big question, Andrew, related to the chain of custody of all of these various boxes that were at Mar-a-Lago.
00:13:47.000So you had boxes that were packed up at the end of the administration, some of them packed up by the White House records management staff, perhaps some from the National Archives.
00:13:58.000Those boxes transported to Mar-a-Lago after the end of the presidency.
00:14:04.000Then you had upwards of 100 boxes of presidential, we're told presidential or government records, they had to be, that the GSA, the General Services Administration, who handles presidential transitions, kept at a storage facility outside of Washington in suburban Virginia.
00:14:24.000They kept those boxes for six or seven months before they notified Trump's team, hey, we've got to get rid of these boxes.
00:14:43.000Four went to another storage unit in, I believe, West Palm Beach.
00:14:48.000So you had almost, I guess it was 2,000 pounds of records.
00:14:54.000This is based on the pallet weight going to Mar-a-Lago.
00:14:58.000Those boxes then put somewhere inside of Mar-a-Lago, presumably the storage room where, you know, allegedly these classified documents were found.
00:15:09.000So the question, Andrew, and this is something that the defense attorneys have been asking, is accountability for which boxes were personal items, which boxes were transported to Mar-a-Lago after the end of the presidency in January of 2021, a truck showing up on the plane, et cetera, versus what boxes the government had custody of for more than seven months before they were then transported and housed at Mar-a-Lago.
00:15:37.000If those boxes, and it does appear that in December of 2022, after another search by Trump's team for papers with classified markings, that a few of those documents were found in the boxes that had been shipped from the GSA to Mar-a-Lago.
00:15:55.000So how are they going to then meet the willful element of the Espionage Act that Donald Trump willfully took those documents without authorization and kept them, hid them from the government, hid them from a subpoena, and then tried to hide them again from the FBI.
00:16:15.000If he never saw those records, if those boxes had never been opened because they were delivered in September of 2021, the raid was August of 2022.
00:16:25.000How can he possibly be responsible or guilty of the Espionage Act when he didn't even pack them or know that they were there?
00:16:36.000Well, so in layman's terms, Julie, and I know you have to be very specific, but what I'm hearing you say is the government had all these boxes.
00:16:45.000Probably some of them had confidential documents inside, shipped them to Trump, and then basically said, Trump, you're guilty of violating the Espionage Acts for boxes that we ship to you.
00:16:57.000That is a possibility that has not been proven because we don't know which boxes the FBI took out of Mar-a-Lago in that raid, whether they were original boxes or the GSA boxes.
00:17:10.000Well, I assume we will find that out at trial or at some point.
00:17:14.000But again, the defense attorneys are asking for chain of custody and identification of every box that the FBI has, both the NARA boxes and the boxes that they took during the raid.
00:17:25.000Well, but Julie, they can't even now we're finding out that Jack Smith and his goons can't even tell you if the boxes are in the same order as when they raided the, I mean, they don't have any idea on chain of custody.
00:17:38.000So we're expecting them to be able to piece back together 100 boxes that were shipped down in Pallets to West Palm and Mar-a-Lago.
00:17:45.000Like the whole thing, I mean, this whole thing feels like entrapment.
00:17:50.000You know, and I think the onus needs to be on the government to say that they weren't entrapping a former president.
00:17:58.000If people want a whole timeline too of the Biden-White House collusion with this involvement, you can pick up, look at my piece at Real Clear Investigations that gives a detailed timeline as to how we got here.
00:19:49.000And so what a perfect guest to have to talk as our schools, our universities, and our campuses are getting embroiled in this pro-Hamas movement, these encampments.
00:19:59.000So without further ado, Julie, welcome to the show.
00:20:39.000But when I was a sophomore in college, I had kind of a big political awakening because that was the year that I was sent home due to the COVID lockdowns.
00:20:49.000And that was also the summer of 2020 when Black Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter riots convulsed all throughout our cities.
00:20:58.000And I looked around, Andrew, and I said, if this is the left, this is not who I am.
00:21:03.000So I went online and I looked up what do conservatives think about police.
00:21:40.000And now we have a show together called Dennis and Julie, where we talk about all of life, but especially the crisis among my generation specifically, which is overwhelmingly, unfortunately, anti-American.
00:21:56.000I love that kind of journey that you went on of discovery.
00:22:00.000I wish more young people would similarly take it upon themselves to research what both sides actually believe and where their values are emanating from, the sources of a lot of these ideological rots and cancers in our culture.
00:22:15.000And I mean, hat tip to you for taking the initiative.
00:22:18.000It shows, I mean, I understand why Dennis gravitated towards doing a show with you.
00:22:23.000And by the way, to Dennis's credit, he's always taken such an interest in young people.
00:22:28.000Charlie credits him as one of his first and foremost most important teachers in his life.
00:22:34.000And Dennis pours himself out into the next generation with Prager You and so many other things.
00:22:38.000So I'm going to play some clips from your senior speech.
00:22:40.000I know you have a show with Dennis, but this senior speech was really something.
00:23:44.000Because we Americans of recent generations have been swaddled in prosperity and security, and in consequence, have become ungrateful for the blessings we enjoy.
00:24:10.000What was your experience like at Harvard?
00:24:12.000And can you draw a direct line between your experience and what we're seeing now at Columbia and so many other schools?
00:24:20.000Well, I want to say that overall, despite being sent home for a year and a half of my college experience due to the irrational and terrible COVID lockdowns, I do want to say that in many ways, I had a great experience at Harvard.
00:24:37.000I had a lot of opportunities, including, ironically, as I said at the beginning of the speech, the opportunity to go to Israel.
00:24:44.000So I'm saying this because I believe that these institutions have enormous opportunity to be places of growth and places where people can really go and thrive.
00:24:57.000And in some ways, I did do that at Harvard.
00:24:59.000That being said, I also saw some of the, I think, kind of seeds of the craziness that has metastasized now.
00:25:09.000And mainly, I saw what I identified in that video, that few people on campus, if any, showed any semblance of national pride.
00:25:18.000Putting an American flag up in your dorm or saying you're proud to be American was kind of deemed a conservative thing.
00:25:27.000I also remember people would protest about various things.
00:25:31.000There was a speech one time on campus and many individuals went in and disrupted it, calling for Harvard to divest from fossil fuels.
00:25:40.000And the administration didn't do anything about it.
00:25:42.000They just let the protesters go in and wreak havoc on the ceremony.
00:25:46.000I remember people got really upset because there was a class at one of the graduate schools on policing.
00:25:52.000And so right now, when we see the explosion of entitlement and extremism on these campuses, my response to these universities is, well, you've given the mouse a cookie so many times.
00:26:37.000And that would have been a great opportunity for them to, you know, disperse the encampment and say, you can't, this is illegal occupation of campus grounds, which a public university.
00:26:54.000And I'm going to pull a clip from Columbia in just a second, which I think perfectly encapsulates the entitlement we see from some of these protesters.
00:27:05.000But Julie, it's also being funded, right, by outside groups.
00:27:09.000We've seen reports that money is flowing in.
00:27:12.000Outside agitators are radicalizing these students.
00:27:15.000I'm not sure you ever saw anything like that, but it also, the implications are profound.
00:27:21.000Because, again, if a conservative student or a conservative group like Turning Point USA does anything, you know, we're having to negotiate with the police in advance.
00:27:55.000I mean, this is not an example of direct funding per se, but look at all of the radicalism that has spread on TikTok.
00:28:02.000We know the parent company of TikTok is ByteDance, which is a CCP-backed enterprise.
00:28:07.000So there are a lot of kind of currents going on here, which are pushing, to your point, this kind of rancid explosion on these college campuses that we're seeing.
00:28:17.000So a lot of people definitely do stand to benefit from this, and it's something that we should be aware of.
00:28:21.000But, you know, as terrible as all of this is, I have to say, Andrew, I think that something good may come out of this.
00:28:29.000And maybe that's just my optimistic side.
00:28:32.000But these campuses have become non-functional.
00:28:38.000Columbia just canceled its main graduation.
00:28:49.000Yeah, I do think there's an opportunity for improvement.
00:28:53.000I mean, you saw MIT got rid of their DEI statement and they were actually the first elite university to reinstate standardized test scores.
00:29:02.000And then other Ives are following suit.
00:29:08.000I'm nervous, though, Julie, that this whole thing is going to be taken to clamp down on what should be free speech, what should be protected protests and protected speech.
00:29:19.000So one of the things I'm really worried about is that, you know, in order to shore up different constituencies within the Democrat coalition, Joe Biden's going to start clamping down on some constitutionally protected free speech.
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00:30:44.000I mean, well, I guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of community and obligation Columbia feels it has to its students.
00:30:51.000Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill, even if they disagree with you?
00:30:58.000If the answer is no, then you should allow basic, I mean, it's crazy to say because we're on an Ivy League campus, but this is like basic humanitarian aid we're asking for.
00:31:06.000Like, could people please have a glass of water?
00:31:08.000But they did put themselves in that very deliberately in that situation and in that position.
00:31:15.000So it seems like you're sort of saying, we want to be revolutionaries, we want to take over this building.
00:31:20.000Now would you please bring us food and water?
00:31:23.000Nobody's asking them to bring anything.
00:31:25.000We're asking them to not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid.
00:31:30.000They're stopping that delivery of the food.
00:31:33.000We are looking for a commitment from them that they will not stop it.
00:31:59.000It's, you know, I think that what's happening now, as I said, has been allowed to spread for so long on these university campuses.
00:32:09.000Every time university presidents or donors or professors allowed a lie to be spread about America, every time they judged people based on race or oppressor status, every time they allowed crazy theories about gender or policing to spread, every time they allowed a protest on climate change to happen, they laid a brick in the now massive edifice of entitlement and extremism that we just saw.
00:32:40.000Julie, I want to wrestle with this topic, this idea of censorship, of using anti-Semitism as a way to infringe upon constitutionally protected speech.
00:32:52.000Right now, everybody hates anti-Semitism, at least most people do.
00:32:57.000I would say the vast majority of the country is appalled by it.
00:33:01.000That being said, listen to this clip today.
00:33:04.000This is our education secretary talking about how he needs more money to police this stuff.
00:33:27.000If you fund what we've seen in the last two weeks, you know, I appreciate the fact the University of Michigan did not negotiate, ended up going on with their commencement, speaking parochially here.
00:33:38.000But Jewish students are still in fear of their lives and their academic success on that campus and many other campuses.
00:33:47.000And the opportunity that you have to launch these reviews, you have solely.
00:33:53.000It doesn't take Congress or anyone else to ask you.
00:33:56.000I certainly hope you'll make this a priority because it's for the future and present of students and universities and colleges under your priority supervision.
00:34:08.000So Julie, you can see there's a tremendous amount of pressure to police anti-Semitism on campus.
00:34:14.000What is the right balance there between speech and bringing these universities to heal?
00:34:21.000Listen, I am a free speech absolutist.
00:34:23.000I think that all of the anti-Semitic rhetoric that we are seeing right now, where Jews are being called pigs and dogs on these college campuses, I think that is despicable.
00:34:35.000And I completely and totally disavow that.
00:34:38.000That being said, I think that people should be allowed to say what they want to say, including terrible things.
00:34:46.000We in this country should not police speech.
00:34:50.000When that crosses over into conduct and violence, that is what we should police.
00:34:55.000So I think with this Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, if Republicans are trying to highlight the hypocrisy of Democrats in that, you know, they are turning a blind eye to anti-Semitism when they are always talking about, for instance, you know, anti-Black racism, they're doing a good job.
00:35:13.000If the Republican Party is trying to highlight that anti-discrimination law is not equally applied to Jews, yes, that is true.
00:35:21.000But we need to be getting away from anti-discrimination policing speech law.
00:35:27.000We need to be getting away from protections based on group identity and government getting involved.
00:35:33.000Again, my position is that we allow people to say what they want, including terrible things, but we vigorously police conduct and action.
00:35:43.000And Joe Biden also weighed in this morning.
00:35:46.000He's obviously feeling the pressure to police this because he's caught between his donor class and the establishment in Congress versus the activist class.
00:36:06.000I understand people have strong beliefs and deep convictions about the world.
00:36:11.000In America, we respect and protect the fundamental right to free speech, to debate and disagree, to protest peacefully, and make our voices heard.