The Charlie Kirk Show - July 20, 2023


The Feminization of American Christianity with Dr. John MacArthur


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Pastor John MacArthur, founder of Grace Community Church in Southern California, joins us to discuss why the church locked down the feminization of the American church, and why it s time to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 An entire conversation with Pastor John MacArthur, Dr. John MacArthur from Grace Community Church.
00:00:06.000 An insightful conversation on why did the church lock down the feminization of the American church?
00:00:12.000 And we close on a conversation on the trans social contagion, a transgression against the Lord. 0.76
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00:00:34.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:34.000 Here we go.
00:00:36.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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00:01:18.000 I want to kind of take you all back in time.
00:01:22.000 Back in time of 15 days, the slow to spread.
00:01:25.000 Back in time where the country was running in fear.
00:01:29.000 We had to mask ourselves if you were going for a walk outside.
00:01:33.000 I personally know that we reached peak insanity when I saw somebody I was visiting California on the 405 alone in their car wearing a mask.
00:01:46.000 Because of course, COVID could come through the AM radio or something.
00:01:50.000 I said, we said, Houston, we have a problem when that was happening.
00:01:54.000 And we saw very rational people act irrationally because there might be this invisible virus that might come to you and harm you or potentially kill you.
00:02:07.000 And almost overnight, there was this separation, a new caste society between essential and non-essential.
00:02:17.000 And things were divided through very arbitrary means of either you're in the essential bucket or the non-essential bucket.
00:02:26.000 Essential was strip clubs, marijuana dispensaries, liquor stores, and big retailers.
00:02:31.000 Non-essential was churches.
00:02:35.000 This was an insult to those of us that were believers, and many pastors took it, but one man stood up and offered moral and theological clarity at the most essential time.
00:02:45.000 It's Pastor John MacArthur who joins us now.
00:02:47.000 Pastor, thank you so much for joining us today, and I'm thrilled about your new movie, EssentialChurchMovie.com.
00:02:53.000 Please tell us about it and welcome back to the program.
00:02:56.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:02:57.000 It's really great to see you again, be with you.
00:03:00.000 Yeah, you know, when it became apparent early on in the quote-unquote pandemic that the dire predictions of death everywhere were not true, it became obvious to us that we wouldn't kill people by being together as a church.
00:03:20.000 We decided we're going to open the church, and that's exactly what we did.
00:03:26.000 And at that point, obviously, we came under the scrutiny of the state of California, the city of Los Angeles, the County Health Department.
00:03:34.000 And make a long story short, they did everything they could to shut us down, fine us, threaten me with imprisonment, take away our parking lot, post on the health website that there was an epidemic at Grace Church and all kinds of things like that.
00:03:52.000 So, in response, we filed lawsuit against the state, and the kindness of the Lord and the reality of the fact led to an amazing victory where the state basically caved in.
00:04:09.000 Really, it happened in 24 hours.
00:04:11.000 We said we're going to bring in the health officials, the leading health officials, and we're going to have a deposition, legal deposition, which is now bringing the law to play, if you don't tell the truth.
00:04:25.000 We're going to depose them all and find out what the real facts of COVID are.
00:04:32.000 And within 24 hours, they all caved in, cost the state $3 million in legal fees.
00:04:40.000 And they basically ended the case.
00:04:44.000 Nothing ever happened to Grace Church.
00:04:46.000 And they literally came up with a permanent injunction that the state can never do that to Grace Community Church again.
00:04:56.000 So it was a significant situation.
00:04:59.000 The outcome, of course, was the goodness of the Lord and the help of the United States Constitution and the issue of freedom of religion.
00:05:08.000 Well, praise God.
00:05:09.000 And so, Dr. MacArthur, I want to pinpoint something that I had from my perspective.
00:05:14.000 You know, we do a lot of work with churches, particularly in Southern California.
00:05:18.000 And many of the churches and pastors that we work with were staying open and fighting tyranny.
00:05:25.000 But I could tell you, Doctor, when you wrote on your website, and I know it got publicized and went viral, that Jesus Christ is the head of the church, it gave people the courage and the clarity coming from someone as well-published and respected as you.
00:05:42.000 Can you talk a little bit about that?
00:05:44.000 Because there was a fair amount of theological confusion, in particular, people saying, well, Romans 13, you're not allowed to ever open the church.
00:05:53.000 You're not allowed to disobey or defy local government authority.
00:05:56.000 Take us back in time to when you wrote that article, which I found to be so profound and impactful, hundreds of people sent it to me over the course of a couple of days.
00:06:07.000 Dr. MacArthur.
00:06:09.000 Well, look, that was not anything that we came to all of a sudden.
00:06:16.000 I have a sense of history.
00:06:19.000 I know the history of the church.
00:06:21.000 I've studied church history for decades and decades.
00:06:25.000 And the church has always resisted government tyranny.
00:06:32.000 The church never succumbs.
00:06:34.000 The true church of Jesus Christ, the faithful, never succumb to government tyranny.
00:06:42.000 And we understand that the government is ultimately the persecutor of the church.
00:06:47.000 I mean, your neighbor can't kill you and get away with it.
00:06:50.000 The government can.
00:06:51.000 Your neighbor can't put you in his garage and lock you up if he doesn't like what you say.
00:06:56.000 The government can.
00:06:57.000 So they are the arch persecutor of the church, the ultimate persecutor.
00:07:02.000 And that has led to, ever since really the New Testament times, persecution of the church.
00:07:10.000 So we had a lot of history to understand what the enemy of the kingdom, Satan himself and all those who follow his lead, were trying to do.
00:07:21.000 And we knew they were trying to shut down the church.
00:07:24.000 And to be honest, even if this was a black death or the bubonic plague, that wouldn't change anything.
00:07:31.000 In fact, it may even heighten the urgency with which the church would need to stay open.
00:07:38.000 The idea of a virus, it became very apparent to us very soon that they were lying about the effects of the virus.
00:07:46.000 And we knew that.
00:07:47.000 We knew that as a living lab because our people were meeting, and finally the L.A. Health Department had to post on their website that there had never been a COVID outbreak at Grace Community Church, even though we had stayed together and hugged and fellowship with each other and sang hymns and did all the things we weren't supposed to do.
00:08:06.000 So we knew what we needed to do was biblical, and we knew that the idea that we were going to cause some great, you know, death curse on our people was not the case.
00:08:21.000 But again, I want to emphasize: even if this had been a genuine plague, history will tell us churches and faithful pastors have survived through those kinds of things and ministered with effect.
00:08:37.000 And maybe it costs you your life.
00:08:40.000 But I mean, that's the foundation of Christian discipleship.
00:08:42.000 If any man come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and that's an execution instrument, and follow me.
00:08:51.000 So it's never been a question of what do we do, what do we do?
00:08:56.000 The second thing I would say about it is this: we knew what to do because we wanted to be faithful to the mandate and to Christ, the head of the church.
00:09:04.000 But secondly, we also knew that the Lord could use this as a moment in the history of his church where if there were faithful believers, it could give strength to the weaker folks who were vacillating.
00:09:24.000 And that was part of what we wanted to do: take a stand and set an example that others could follow.
00:09:32.000 We knew the persecution would come, but we have complete confidence in God's ability to protect his church.
00:09:38.000 Dr. John MacArthur is with us, essentialchurchmovie.com.
00:09:42.000 And that is the most important point you made.
00:09:44.000 That yes, they were lying about the severity, they were lying about it, but even if it was as lethal or even more lethal than they advertised, that is not a reason to shut down the gathering of believers.
00:09:58.000 The ecclesia is more important when times become dangerous, chaotic, and uncertain.
00:10:07.000 Dr. John MacArthur is with us, essentialchurchmovie.com.
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00:11:18.000 So, Pastor, can you just fill us in a little bit to some of the objections you might have received privately from other pastors who said we should remain closed and that what you're doing is unloving?
00:11:33.000 This is something that was in the narrative that you were not loving your neighbor, as Jesus said, is one of the things of all the laws of the commandments hang on them, as it says in Leviticus 19, because you opened your church.
00:11:47.000 How did you respond to that, and how should we respond to that?
00:11:50.000 Well, first of all, just kind of building on what we talked about in the last segment: if we really loved our neighbor and there was a death plague in the city or the country, we would ramp up the meetings of the church because if you love them, you care for their eternal soul.
00:12:11.000 That is the foundation of the very reason for the church's existence in the world.
00:12:18.000 It is in the world to proclaim the saving gospel of Jesus Christ, and there could be no greater opportunity to do that than in a time when there is overwhelming fear.
00:12:32.000 And I think the enemy knows that.
00:12:35.000 In the name of not passing on a virus to your neighbor, because that would be unloving, you withhold the gospel from him.
00:12:46.000 And let me tell you how practical that is.
00:12:49.000 People had relatives who were dying in the hospital, and families couldn't visit them, pastors couldn't visit them, nobody could go to them.
00:13:00.000 I mean, they wouldn't let you in.
00:13:03.000 We would have gone.
00:13:05.000 I endeavored to go.
00:13:06.000 I got stopped in the lobby of hospitals.
00:13:10.000 When a person was dying, of all the times when the church could go into action, it should be then.
00:13:17.000 And here, these hospitals were filled with people who were dying.
00:13:21.000 Two of my brother-in-laws died within a two-week period because of the mistreatment that occurred in two separate hospitals.
00:13:32.000 Nobody in my family, none of us could be by their side at that time.
00:13:37.000 So, if you want to talk about love in the crisis, that's love in the crisis.
00:13:41.000 The church doesn't shut down to prevent people from catching the flu and then say, well, if they go to hell, they go to hell.
00:13:50.000 I mean, that is an absurdity.
00:13:52.000 The other thing is that it's not something that you get to make a decision on whether the church is going to be the church.
00:14:01.000 The second criticism we got was this: MacArthur's using his ammunition on a virus.
00:14:07.000 That doesn't make any sense.
00:14:09.000 He needs to save his ammunition for something really big, something really significant.
00:14:14.000 If you're going to take a stand against the government, if you're going to be this belligerent and all, you need to really have a greater cause than a virus.
00:14:25.000 And my response to that is: look, any attack on the church, any effort to shut down the church, we will respond.
00:14:36.000 Somebody said to me, How do you choose which battles you fight?
00:14:39.000 And I said, We fight all battles, every battle.
00:14:43.000 Every battle against the truth, every battle against the word of God, every battle against the gospel of Jesus Christ, every battle against the church, we fight them all.
00:14:53.000 We're not looking and saying, Well, on a one to ten scale, does this reach a four?
00:14:57.000 And does that trigger our involvement?
00:15:00.000 More specifically, they were saying, you know, MacArthur ought to wait until there's a big homosexual issue.
00:15:06.000 Homosexuality is a biblical matter, and you can wave the Bible around on the sin of homosexuality.
00:15:15.000 And that would be when to ramp up your fight. 0.75
00:15:19.000 And my response to that was: it's not like we get to pick the fight we want.
00:15:26.000 We protect the church the best way we can whenever it is attacked on whatever basis.
00:15:34.000 So there was never any wavering in my mind on the fact that any assault against the church of Jesus Christ calls us to immediate action.
00:15:44.000 It's beautifully stated.
00:15:45.000 I mean, I just want to reiterate the point.
00:15:47.000 There were so many pastors that were confused and some that were scared.
00:15:52.000 When Dr. MacArthur spoke out, it impacted thousands of pastors and thousands of churches and hundreds of thousands of Christians in person and millions of people online.
00:16:07.000 One man speaking clearly.
00:16:09.000 And that is because for decades, Dr. MacArthur has earned the reputation of being a preeminent biblical scholar.
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00:17:31.000 I encourage all you to check out EssentialChurchMovie.com.
00:17:34.000 It is the new movie that Dr. John MacArthur and his team have put together.
00:17:38.000 I want to play the entire trailer.
00:17:40.000 It's excellent.
00:17:41.000 It's beautifully done, beautifully shot.
00:17:44.000 And you guys should look at essentialchurchmovie.com.
00:17:47.000 Let's play cut 87 for the entire trailer, and then we'll get Dr. MacArthur's reaction.
00:17:53.000 Play Cut 87, please.
00:17:56.000 God's truth is enduringly true throughout all the generations.
00:18:00.000 It transcends culture.
00:18:03.000 The church is always going to be an embattled people.
00:18:08.000 If it's swimming with the tide, it's not being the church of Jesus Christ.
00:18:13.000 Look to the past, learn from the past, because the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
00:18:20.000 China has more than 200 confirmed cases of coronavirus, it's called. 0.98
00:18:24.000 The entire state of California ordered to stay at home.
00:18:26.000 That's 40%.
00:18:26.000 California has some of the strictest policies leveled against churches.
00:18:30.000 Gavin Newsom's executive order threatens jail time and a thousand dollar a day fine.
00:18:34.000 Government stopping people from going to church, Dr. Fauci.
00:18:38.000 When I went into the White House, when I sat in on the task force meetings, was a shocking level of gross incompetence.
00:18:46.000 Mortality rate from the virus was 0.2%, you know, 99.8% survival, rather than the 3% or 4% mortality that people are saying at the time.
00:18:54.000 The culture and the understanding of the people of Christ Church has always been: not only do you obey government, but you honor God.
00:19:02.000 Thousands of people in the streets, but you can't have church.
00:19:06.000 The hypocrisy of letting people riot helped us all understand one thing.
00:19:10.000 This is not what they say it is.
00:19:12.000 By meaning, we're testifying the government has no jurisdiction here.
00:19:16.000 I was arrested and driven to a maximum security prison.
00:19:21.000 The government has obviously turned up the heat on churches.
00:19:25.000 My daddy.
00:19:29.000 When the church is folded silent, the only religion left is the state.
00:19:36.000 We needed to make a biblical statement because we always put ourselves under the authority of the word of God.
00:19:43.000 LA County threatened Pastor John MacArthur with jail time and arrest.
00:19:49.000 We are going to be sued.
00:19:50.000 They wanted Grace Church shut down.
00:19:54.000 We wanted to go on the offensive and attack the health order as unconstitutional.
00:19:59.000 This wasn't about health and safety. 0.60
00:20:01.000 This was all about control and opposition to religious freedom.
00:20:07.000 As the government gets more corrupt and more corrupt, snitches get rewards.
00:20:13.000 Its totalitarian control has to increase.
00:20:16.000 And you have to have a mask on.
00:20:18.000 And as they shut down any attacks against them.
00:20:21.000 This is not about freedom for personal choice.
00:20:24.000 The last thing standing is going to be the church.
00:20:39.000 What a powerful trailer that is.
00:20:42.000 Beautifully shot.
00:20:44.000 EssentialchurchMovie.com.
00:20:45.000 Dr. MacArthur, your team deserves a lot of credit.
00:20:48.000 That is beautifully put together.
00:20:50.000 Dr. MacArthur, I also want you to react to just some of the churches that were actively involved in the government receiving funding from the NIH to coordinate with local officials.
00:21:05.000 Were you surprised by how few churches took a stand?
00:21:09.000 Was it what you would have expected?
00:21:12.000 I personally was shocked.
00:21:13.000 I thought more churches would have taken the stand that you did, Dr. MacArthur.
00:21:19.000 You know, Charlie, you're asking a very penetrating question.
00:21:23.000 And it's a question about the strength of leadership.
00:21:27.000 And I have to say that, you know, we have an entire culture that has been fed a steady diet of toxic manhood.
00:21:38.000 And with the demise of men in our culture and the weakness of men in our culture, that has infected the church.
00:21:51.000 There is a sad lack of courage that you don't find in the history of the church in other times of epic challenge against the church.
00:22:02.000 You have, you know, weak men.
00:22:05.000 I wrote a book.
00:22:06.000 I wrote a book called Being a Dad Who Leads.
00:22:10.000 And a Christian publisher changed the title because they said that title is offensive.
00:22:18.000 Offensive to be a dad who leads.
00:22:20.000 They actually came up with another title that I wouldn't mention.
00:22:25.000 So the weakness of men, of men in our culture, has shown up in the softness of the church.
00:22:35.000 There's a feminization of evangelicalism.
00:22:38.000 There's a feminization of the church.
00:22:40.000 And it shows up in obviously liberal seminaries, but it's trickled down into even some of the evangelical seminaries.
00:22:48.000 And so you add that to pragmatism, the idea that has swept through the church over the last 20 years that the church needs to give the world what the world wants.
00:23:00.000 We need to win them over.
00:23:02.000 We need to be seeker sensitive.
00:23:06.000 We don't want to offend the world.
00:23:09.000 So that compounds the weakness.
00:23:12.000 There's the lack of courage to take a stand biblically, just in itself. 0.63
00:23:18.000 And then it's compounded by the fact that churches have decided they don't want to offend the unconverted world. 0.77
00:23:26.000 I did an interview sometime back, and one of the lines kind of keeps getting replayed again.
00:23:33.000 The question was, does it bother you when you offend people?
00:23:37.000 And I said, no, I exist to offend people.
00:23:41.000 Everything about sin offends God.
00:23:45.000 And the understanding of that offense is the pathway to the gospel.
00:23:50.000 So I just think there's an overarching cultural weakness among men.
00:23:56.000 And it has found its way naturally into the church, into the leadership of the church.
00:24:01.000 And with that compounded with the fact that you don't want to offend anybody, you know, you take the line of least resistance and you wind up acting in a cowardly way.
00:24:12.000 That is so deep and unbelievably prescient to what is happening right now.
00:24:18.000 Most people would tap dance around that answer, but you're exactly right.
00:24:22.000 The feminization of the American church and the feminization of pastors.
00:24:29.000 And I mean, I could editorialize Dr. MacArthur.
00:24:33.000 I won't.
00:24:33.000 It's even from the aesthetic of pastors that are dressing in skinny tight jeans.
00:24:40.000 I'll stop there, where it's almost as if they have to have a very feeling-based presentation.
00:24:46.000 And you need a balance of all things.
00:24:47.000 God created men and women for a reason.
00:24:51.000 That does present a nice segue, Doctor, to something I want to ask you about.
00:24:55.000 And this is on your website, essentialchurchmovie.com, which is, Doctor, it wasn't just COVID or the pandemic or the lockdowns, but you also had what is now called wokeism or this kind of racial reckoning that they were pushing on the country happening simultaneously.
00:25:17.000 And that was also finding itself into sermons and finding itself into churches.
00:25:23.000 Walk us through that because we almost had a multi-front war in the year of 2020 that in many ways we are still fighting.
00:25:31.000 Yeah, that's a great connection because the weakness of leadership in the church showed up in buying the woke lies.
00:25:46.000 On this end of it, down the road a little bit, you know, we hear things like woke is broke and the society is catching on to the fact that being woke is the pathway to destruction.
00:25:59.000 But when it first came, there was an immediate lack of discernment from pastors who should have seen this for what it was.
00:26:11.000 An assault on the church, the wokeness.
00:26:14.000 Instead of that, pastors capitulated.
00:26:19.000 And some very large churches were literally disintegrated, dismantled with losing hundreds and thousands of people collectively losing their testimony, losing their influence, getting trapped in the woke trap where you think you've said enough to appease the hostile haters, but there's never an appeasement.
00:26:49.000 So they're always demanding more once you start down that road.
00:26:52.000 It destroyed churches.
00:26:54.000 It is still in the process of destroying seminaries, colleges.
00:27:00.000 It's tough enough to run a Christian university like we do in the Masters University, but we're booming and growing at a rate like we've never seen.
00:27:09.000 Well, about every week, a private college in the country closes down.
00:27:15.000 Many of them based on their response to wokeness and DEI diversity and all of those kinds of things.
00:27:25.000 So, yeah, there were a lot of places where making a right decision would lead to victory and where making a wrong one would lead to disaster.
00:27:36.000 And that the weakness of leadership showed up in the lack of discernment and the lack of courage in standing against these things.
00:27:46.000 That's beautifully said.
00:27:47.000 Doctor, in a couple of minutes we have remaining in this segment, can you just update our audience?
00:27:52.000 That's not the right term.
00:27:54.000 Can you fill our audience in and share some of the success stories, people that were healed, people that gave their life to the Lord, marriages that were remedied that might have been broken because you stayed open?
00:28:06.000 Can you share what the Lord did because your church was open and you did not cower to fear or cower to tyranny?
00:28:14.000 Well, first of all, it kept our church together and it allowed us to continually communicate the truth to them so that it protected them from the insidious lies that were coming at them from the media.
00:28:30.000 The church is the pillar and ground of the truth.
00:28:34.000 And Grace Community Church became a place where they could hear the truth.
00:28:37.000 They would hear the truth.
00:28:39.000 And normally I'm preaching through a book, but I stopped that and I just took an issue after issue after issue after issue for several years, helping people navigate the lies and the deception.
00:28:52.000 So we literally became a megaphone for the truth, and people could sort out the truth and the reality.
00:29:00.000 We also became a living lab where people could find out that what was being said was a lie.
00:29:05.000 I remember the first Sunday we opened up the church for children.
00:29:10.000 Over 1,000 elementary children down to little babies showed up at Grace Community Church on one Sunday without fear because it had been demonstrated that this was maybe the safest place to be.
00:29:24.000 We were all sharing each other's illnesses and so we had robust immune systems.
00:29:30.000 But people trusted us as a safe place.
00:29:34.000 It backfired completely.
00:29:37.000 We became a haven.
00:29:38.000 Quantifying that a little bit, we took in 2,000 new members by headcount.
00:29:46.000 They were literally, at one point, there were between 75 and 100 people joining our church every month.
00:29:53.000 And that continues to this day.
00:29:58.000 They came from the churches that shut down, that closed down.
00:30:02.000 And I think in one sense, while I feel badly about the churches that shut down, if you're going to shut down, you literally voluntarily gave up your right to have an impact on people's lives.
00:30:20.000 Why should they trust you in the future?
00:30:23.000 Lots of worse things may come.
00:30:25.000 What will they do then?
00:30:27.000 So people were looking for a safe place, a place of truth, a place of love and fellowship.
00:30:33.000 And it was like a love fest and still is, even to this very Sunday at Grace Community Church.
00:30:39.000 And the transformation is amazing.
00:30:43.000 The joy, the happiness, the satisfaction, the delight, the sweetness of fellowship.
00:30:49.000 You know, make a simple statement and I'll stop at this point.
00:30:53.000 Paul says the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart.
00:30:57.000 When you find people who love the truth and know the truth, what comes out of that is love, not hard-hearted.
00:31:04.000 So, Dr. MacArthur, you've also been very clear on this gender-trans issue as well, which I think it's all actually connected.
00:31:13.000 John 8:44, you are the father of the devil, and your will is to bring your father's desires. 0.77
00:31:18.000 He was a murderer from the beginning, and he doesn't stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. 0.99
00:31:22.000 When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is the liar and father of lies. 0.99
00:31:26.000 Dr. MacArthur, we're living through a time of widespread deception and widespread lies, especially when it comes to this gender issue.
00:31:36.000 I think if the church was silent and scared to not open during COVID, they're certainly not going to speak out with moral clarity on the idea of God-created man and woman. 0.68
00:31:47.000 Dr. MacArthur, your reaction to the trans social contagion that we're currently living through. 0.98
00:31:54.000 Well, I think one way to view it, and the right way to view it, is it is the end of a civilization. 1.00
00:32:00.000 It's the end.
00:32:01.000 You know, the parade where they were saying, We are queer and we're coming for your children.
00:32:07.000 Well, of course they are because they don't have any of their own.
00:32:10.000 I mean, this is the end of humanity. 1.00
00:32:14.000 You know, homosexuality can't produce. 1.00
00:32:17.000 So they're coming for your children to perpetuate their movement. 0.98
00:32:22.000 But homosexuality obviously is clearly indicated as a transgression and a sin in scripture with massively disastrous results to any person or society. 0.98
00:32:35.000 But when you go beyond that to transgender, you have now reached a fulfillment of a verse in Romans chapter one, which says, God gave them over to a reprobate mind. 0.99
00:32:51.000 Literally, God gave them over to a non-functioning mind. 1.00
00:32:57.000 It's insanity.
00:32:59.000 It is insane.
00:33:01.000 And you ask yourself, how can this possibly be?
00:33:04.000 Well, you say, well, maybe people are psychologically deluded.
00:33:08.000 That could happen.
00:33:09.000 Maybe they're morally deluded.
00:33:11.000 That could happen.
00:33:13.000 But you have to understand that the insanity is literally spawned a huge, huge new kind of quote-unquote medical care.
00:33:26.000 You can understand why the emotional people or the twisted people would fall into this, but the entire medical profession, hospitals, hospital leaders, hospital officers, hospital administrators, board members, medical doctors with high levels of training.
00:33:48.000 How can they be so far away from reality?
00:33:53.000 It's a frightening thing.
00:33:56.000 When the medical profession believes a massive lie that on its face is a lie, because there are only two genders, and it's obvious which one you are by physical characteristics, but also by DNA.
00:34:13.000 How can everybody believe such a preposterous lie and believe it at a high level?
00:34:21.000 How can the federal government decide that its raison d'être, its reason to be, is to protect transgender people? 0.66
00:34:34.000 The insanity of that begs language. 0.99
00:34:38.000 And I used to wonder, you know, I understand what Romans 1 says about a sexual revolution, talks about that, and a homosexual revolution, but what would a reprobate mind be like where people can't think straight? 0.97
00:34:52.000 They're so perverse, they're completely irrational. 1.00
00:34:56.000 Well, that's what the transgender movement is. 1.00
00:34:58.000 I mean, that's the end of absolutely everything. 1.00
00:35:03.000 That is the end of society, civilization, if that's the direction a culture goes.
00:35:10.000 And that seems to be the direction we're going, aided and abetted by virtually every institution there is that has any power and influence in the culture.
00:35:20.000 And the church has got to stand up and take a strong biblical stance on this, not for political reasons, but we need to take a strong stand on this to protect people.
00:35:33.000 I'm just finishing up a book that I'm writing called The War on Children.
00:35:39.000 Who would have thought that this insanity would end up with a mutilation of children as an expression of medical care?
00:35:48.000 Dr. John MacArthur, God bless you.
00:35:50.000 Thank you so much for joining us.
00:35:51.000 Check out his new film, EssentialChurchMovie.com.
00:35:55.000 That's essentialchurchmovie.com.
00:35:57.000 Dr. MacArthur, thank you so much.
00:35:59.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:36:00.000 Enjoyed being with you.
00:36:01.000 God bless you.
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