The Charlie Kirk Show - The Fight For the RNC with Harmeet Dhillon and Tyler Bowyer

00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Tyler Boyer joins us to talk with Harmeet Dylan about who should run the RNC.

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00:01:08.000 With us is Tyler Boyer, who's the COO of Turning Point Action.

00:01:11.000 But more importantly, for today's discussion, he is one of 168 that will be meeting in Dana Point, California in late January to select either the same or a new leader of the Republican National Committee.

00:01:26.000 Charlie, again, I don't, you know, I take this very seriously, that vote, 168, but I have a little bit more of an interesting position because all roads lead through Arizona for 2024.

00:01:41.000 And so a lot of people are very interested in how Arizona is voting on this.

00:01:45.000 And we have heard abundantly that people are very upset with Mitch McConnell for good reason and with even Kevin McCarthy.

00:01:56.000 Even though we took back two House seats here in Arizona, just generally the sentiment is that people are not happy in Arizona.

00:02:03.000 And, you know, Andy Biggs has talked about to talk about his thoughts on that.

00:02:10.000 And so people naturally are not, are unequivocally upset also in general.

00:02:17.000 And I'd say it's probably about 90% plus of the party, very upset with our current leadership in the RNC.

00:02:24.000 And I don't think it's personal.

00:02:27.000 I think it's a, we have to win, right?

00:02:31.000 And one of the conversations I had with one of the leaders, I won't say who it was.

00:02:35.000 One of the leaders was like, I don't love or hate our leadership in the party.

00:02:40.000 I just want to win.

00:02:40.000 That's it.

00:02:42.000 And so now we have Mike Lindell, who we adore.

00:02:44.000 Mike Lindell, who's who's an advisor and he's a board member at Turning Point.

00:02:47.000 He's a boy who is on the program to state his case.

00:02:49.000 He's going to be at America Fest as well.

00:02:50.000 Yep.

00:02:51.000 So he's going to be speaking at America Fest as well.

00:02:53.000 To state his case.

00:02:53.000 So America Fest is kind of going to be the place, hey, make your case to run the RNC brought to you by Turning Point Action.

00:02:58.000 That will be kind of a breakout component of it.

00:03:01.000 I mean, now, yeah, that's what it's going to be.

00:03:03.000 But I'll take a step back real quick.

00:03:05.000 So there's 168 members, three from every state and territory.

00:03:08.000 Those are who vote.

00:03:10.000 Those people are elected.

00:03:10.000 So a lot of questions are, how do those people get elected, Charlie?

00:03:14.000 They get elected generally by the grassroots.

00:03:16.000 So the precinct committeemen, state committeemen, or state delegates ahead of their four-year convention.

00:03:22.000 The last one was in 2020, right?

00:03:24.000 The next one will be in 2024.

00:03:25.000 But your state party leader, your state party chair is usually elected more frequently than that.

00:03:31.000 Those are how those people get elected.

00:03:32.000 And those people hold the power.

00:03:34.000 So your state party chair, the chairman of the Republican Party in your state, that's a vote.

00:03:39.000 And then there's a national committee man and a committee woman for every state.

00:03:42.000 I'm the male component for Arizona. 0.78

00:03:45.000 There's a female component. 1.00

00:03:46.000 Her name is Lori Klan Corbyn. 1.00

00:03:47.000 She was a former state senator.

00:03:48.000 Most of these people usually are prominent Republicans of some type.

00:03:52.000 They've worked.

00:03:53.000 And a lot of them are grassroots oriented.

00:03:55.000 So they have to hear from people about what their thoughts are.

00:03:59.000 And I go out purposely in what we do, and I ask for people's opinion.

00:04:03.000 I say, I want to know, I'm going to represent you, so I want to hear your voice.

00:04:07.000 And right now, you know, I know the quandary for a lot of people is: hey, a lot of people are saying they want change.

00:04:14.000 And so, you know, Harmeet Dylan just announced last night on Tucker Carlson that she is running.

00:04:21.000 Harmeet's one, I think she's one of the most brilliant individuals that we have in the Republican Party.

00:04:25.000 She's a member of the 168, so she's the national committee woman for California.

00:04:30.000 Kind of awkward for Kevin McCarthy, who, you know, is, I think, a supporter of Rana's.

00:04:35.000 So we have this whole scenario now playing out where we have Mike Lindell, who's wonderful.

00:04:40.000 We love Mike.

00:04:41.000 We have Harmeet Dylan, who's wonderful.

00:04:44.000 And Lee Zeldon, who's been floated for a long time, who said he's going to say he's going to tell everyone what he's doing tomorrow.

00:04:50.000 And that's a big deal.

00:04:51.000 And Lee's a friend of the show.

00:04:53.000 We love Lee.

00:04:54.000 I've talked to Lee.

00:04:55.000 He's a wonderful human being.

00:04:57.000 He should be governor of New York.

00:04:58.000 And I think if it was the 90s, he would be governor today.

00:05:02.000 Honestly, because of how the Democrats cheat and ballot harvest.

00:05:05.000 But I mean, look, a lot of people are saying, well, if I like Lee, I can't like Harmee.

00:05:10.000 Well, that's not true.

00:05:11.000 And if I like Mike Lindell, I can't like Harmee.

00:05:13.000 That's actually not true at all.

00:05:14.000 How the RNC works is you have a chair and a co-chair. 0.90

00:05:18.000 One has to be male, one has to be female. 1.00

00:05:20.000 Do not ask me why it's the stupidest thing in the whole world. 0.99

00:05:22.000 So if the chair is a, that's why we had Tommy Hicks. 0.99

00:05:24.000 These are the rules.

00:05:25.000 That is the rules.

00:05:26.000 These are the rules. 0.98

00:05:27.000 It's dumb, but it's how it works. 0.99

00:05:29.000 So you have a male and a female component. 0.98

00:05:31.000 So if the chair is male, the co-chair has to be female and vice versa.

00:05:35.000 And so just keep that in mind. 0.99

00:05:37.000 That's why it's good.

00:05:38.000 I mean, we have men and women.

00:05:40.000 So now we have like essentially two men potentially running and two women potentially running.

00:05:45.000 That's good because that means that some kind of formulation could work together between chair and co-chair.

00:05:50.000 Now, on that topic, how it works is it's rounds of voting.

00:05:55.000 So this is not a plurality vote, right?

00:05:58.000 So in a lot of elections, it's like, well, I can win with 30%.

00:06:02.000 That's not how it works in the RC.

00:06:04.000 It's a majority vote.

00:06:05.000 So it's rounds of voting.

00:06:06.000 So it's basically like runoff after runoff after runoff.

00:06:09.000 Sometimes these things go in six, seven, eight rounds.

00:06:11.000 So Lee, Harmee, and Mike, if they have issues with Rana, they could run essentially together and support each other.

00:06:20.000 In a pact of, let's see who works.

00:06:23.000 Yeah.

00:06:23.000 You know, whoever comes out on top.

00:06:25.000 Then we'll support you.

00:06:26.000 If it's Harmee, we'll support you.

00:06:28.000 If it's Lee, we'll support you, but not Rana.

00:06:31.000 I mean, you would think that they would probably not be in the race if they supported Rana, right?

00:06:36.000 She is the incumbent. 0.86

00:06:37.000 She's been there for five years.

00:06:39.000 And we'll talk more about that in a second.

00:06:40.000 So people are asking: so when does this happen?

00:06:44.000 It's an RNC meeting, closed door, though, in January, correct?

00:06:48.000 January in Dana Point, California.

00:06:51.000 So they chose Dana Point, probably because it's Kevin McCarthy State.

00:06:56.000 And so that's how usually these things work out.

00:07:00.000 And we were kind of, I think they were kind of expecting a big red wave celebration that we know wasn't the case.

00:07:05.000 And so now it's almost like a little bit awkward because it's a little bit different.

00:07:10.000 So it's going to be Dana Point.

00:07:12.000 It's the last week of January.

00:07:14.000 It looks like the vote's going to be held, I believe, on the 26th or 27th of January.

00:07:19.000 So we've got more than a full month.

00:07:20.000 So we basically have a month and a half of campaigning, which is a lot of time in these party races.

00:07:25.000 And what is historically significant here, everybody, at least for the first time in my memory, this is the first time that this is going to be done in the public with you, the grassroots.

00:07:38.000 Usually it's backroom deals, and then you're kind of like, wait, who's the chairman or who's the chairwoman?

00:07:43.000 And how did that happen?

00:07:44.000 And right, Tyler, what we are doing on this program is we want to empower our millions of listeners to actually participate in the selection of the RNC.

00:07:53.000 This has never happened before.

00:07:54.000 Well, that's how it should be, Charlie.

00:07:56.000 I mean, us as representatives of the 168, not all of my colleagues may agree with me on this.

00:08:03.000 That's fine.

00:08:04.000 I'm okay.

00:08:04.000 I'm a grassroots guy.

00:08:05.000 So I believe that we should be down there representing the grassroots.

00:08:10.000 And, you know, in New Jersey, the grassroots may look different than the grassroots in Arizona.

00:08:14.000 That's okay.

00:08:14.000 That's how it's supposed to work.

00:08:16.000 We go as a delegation representing you.

00:08:19.000 I'm totally against the concept of backroom deals.

00:08:23.000 And, you know, the unfortunate part is this, and this is what should scare a lot of the members.

00:08:28.000 I know for a fact there are many members that financially benefit directly from the RC.

00:08:34.000 And I'm not trying to call any of my colleagues out, but here's the deal.

00:08:37.000 That is not what should be the motivator and who your vote is for.

00:08:41.000 It doesn't matter who it is.

00:08:42.000 I don't care if it's who's offering goodies, if it's Mike Lindell with pillows or if it's anyone else, right?

00:08:50.000 That should not be a motivator.

00:08:52.000 And so I think for the first time with the grassroots involved, a lot of these things happen, again, behind closed doors, questionable.

00:09:02.000 I think it's a little bit of a scary concept for people to dedicate themselves without thinking that they're going to be held accountable here.

00:09:10.000 I mean, I can tell you this, and this is a word of warning just because I live in the grassroots with you, is that you will be held accountable, I think, if you're not honest with the grassroots.

00:09:20.000 So many of you are saying, okay, okay, I got it, Charlie.

00:09:22.000 I want to get rid of the incumbent power structure.

00:09:25.000 How do I do that?

00:09:26.000 We are going to walk you through, by the way, this is going to be a process for many weeks.

00:09:31.000 And by the way, Turning Point Action, our 501c4, is going to be hosting a forum for the RNC candidates at Turning Point USA's America Fest.

00:09:42.000 So AmericaFest is going to be where this is decided.

00:09:45.000 Understand, everybody, usually this happens backroom deals.

00:09:47.000 They don't want any press on it.

00:09:49.000 People get paid off.

00:09:50.000 No, no, no, no.

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00:11:09.000 Tyler, who should run the RNC?

00:11:12.000 Now, I was going to say this with Harmeet.

00:11:14.000 You and I have both known Rana for a couple of years. 0.68

00:11:15.000 She's a very sweet person.

00:11:17.000 She's always been very nice to us.

00:11:18.000 Yeah, I mean, I've always had a very, a very cordial relationship with Rona.

00:11:24.000 I think you have too.

00:11:25.000 Yeah, she spoke at one of our meetings, a Turning Point USA meeting.

00:11:28.000 She's always been very kind about the work we're doing.

00:11:31.000 I think she had you at the RNC with Candace at one point.

00:11:33.000 Correct.

00:11:34.000 However, I think taking a step back, we say, okay, 2018 was not what it should have been.

00:11:40.000 2020 is not what it should have been.

00:11:42.000 2022 is not what it should have been.

00:11:44.000 That's three election cycles.

00:11:47.000 Any, I think a question needs to be asked is, shouldn't new leadership be put in place?

00:11:52.000 I mean, that's not against the person.

00:11:54.000 It's also just a very fair way of looking at saying we, the country cannot afford to lose any longer.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, I mean, look, I think the way that we look at it is very black and white sometimes with these things where it's like, oh, you lost or you're out.

00:12:08.000 Like, I don't, I don't look at it that way.

00:12:09.000 It's, you know, everybody here is contributing something, but sometimes you need to shake it up and do something a little bit different, right?

00:12:16.000 It's like, it's, it's like basketball.

00:12:18.000 I know you're a huge basketball.

00:12:19.000 You played basketball.

00:12:20.000 Yep.

00:12:21.000 But it's like basketball.

00:12:22.000 You bring the ball down the court every time.

00:12:24.000 And if you run the same play every single time, what's going to happen?

00:12:27.000 The defense is going to figure you out.

00:12:29.000 They're going to pick you apart and they're going to shut you down.

00:12:30.000 So what do you got to do?

00:12:31.000 You got to ISO.

00:12:32.000 You've got to run different plays.

00:12:34.000 You got to pick and roll.

00:12:35.000 You got to mix it up every time.

00:12:37.000 That's what we have to do.

00:12:38.000 And if the Republican Party is going to be this like decrepit, do the same thing every time.

00:12:42.000 The left is us figured out.

00:12:44.000 We never figure it out.

00:12:44.000 We never change.

00:12:46.000 Then we're going to be bad.

00:12:47.000 And so that's not a, that's not a knock on Rana.

00:12:50.000 And by the way, she's from Michigan. 0.86

00:12:52.000 Part of the reason why she got here is because we won in Michigan in 2016.

00:12:55.000 That's why she got selected because during the presence, oh, that's awesome.

00:13:00.000 We won Michigan.

00:13:01.000 Nobody expected that.

00:13:02.000 You should be chair.

00:13:03.000 And so she did.

00:13:04.000 And she took it on.

00:13:04.000 And she's been a really valiant, loyal Trump, especially against when with Mitt, her uncle, or whatever, like that.

00:13:14.000 Like, that's a weird situation.

00:13:17.000 I kind of, I feel for that.

00:13:18.000 But again, like you're saying, yeah, it's like there's seasons here, and we can't have seasons draw out for decades.

00:13:25.000 And we should look at it.

00:13:27.000 I mean, you and I have, we've built something pretty cool here.

00:13:31.000 And if someone's not doing their job, you reassign them or fire them.

00:13:34.000 We change things every day.

00:13:36.000 You have to pursue victory.

00:13:38.000 I mean, you are running one of the two major political parties.

00:13:41.000 I mean, this is not.

00:13:43.000 And everyone's dependent upon you for that too, by the way.

00:13:46.000 For victory.

00:13:47.000 Simple.

00:13:47.000 Like, we're not talking about hundreds of thousands of people.

00:13:50.000 We're not talking about millions of people.

00:13:51.000 We're talking about tens of millions.

00:13:53.000 Like 100, maybe 200 million people in the country that are like, you know, interested in what you're doing.

00:13:59.000 So, Tyler, you could stay when we interview Harmeet if you want.

00:14:02.000 Yeah.

00:14:04.000 We can kind of, because she has to win you over. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:07.000 I'm grilling.

00:14:08.000 And that's the other thing.

00:14:09.000 That's one of the ones that I'm saying.

00:14:10.000 I'm grilling Harmee, you know, on her.

00:14:12.000 Like, I'm grilling Michael in the middle.

00:14:14.000 You can ask questions of her because she actually will take your questions more seriously than mine because you're actually the audience.

00:14:19.000 But Tyler, talk about how unique it is.

00:14:22.000 What we're going to be doing, which is to open it up to millions of people to participate in what otherwise is a cigar-filled room backdoor process that almost they don't want the grassroots involved in.

00:14:34.000 Look, and here's the, here's the deal, guys.

00:14:36.000 At Turning Point Action, we have been recruiting precinct committee men for some time and we've been doing it humbly kind of behind the background, just working with our staff.

00:14:42.000 We have an incredible staff in the key target states for that.

00:14:46.000 But the reason why we recruit people is for this reason, is because the number one thing that is involved with the precinct committeeman job that becomes state committeemen or becomes central committee members is to elect party leadership that represents our values.

00:15:02.000 If you don't get involved, and again, this isn't a knock at anyone, but if you don't elect the right people at the local level, this is how you end up, you know, being upset with people at the national level.

00:15:13.000 And so you got to get involved.

00:15:15.000 And we're kind of unlocking the door, kind of joking about this, but we're kind of unlocking the door and changing the game here because it's like you, guys like Steve Bannon and a few others are saying, here's the door.

00:15:25.000 It's opening and we're letting everybody in.

00:15:29.000 And that's what my, I view my job is to let everybody into that process that may feel detached from that.

00:15:35.000 Yes.

00:15:35.000 Because we need you and we need your voice.

00:15:38.000 People don't trust the Republican Party because this process has been very secretive and DC oriented.

00:15:46.000 Yes. 0.99

00:15:46.000 And DC sucks. 0.99

00:15:48.000 I think you tweeted this out and we agree on the tweet. 0.97

00:15:53.000 Is that is that we, I mean, if I could shut down, if I could just board up the doors of the RNC in DC, I would do it.

00:16:00.000 If I was RNC chair, I would literally take big fat nails and big fat two by fours and knock them over the door and say, we're moving to Florida or Arizona or Arizona or Wisconsin or Georgia and we're opening up offices there.

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00:16:16.000 There are a lot of emails, though, saying Tyler should run for RNC chair.

00:16:21.000 Sorry, can't lose him.

00:16:22.000 Not going to happen.

00:16:23.000 But maybe co-chair.

00:16:24.000 So subscribe to our podcast.

00:16:26.000 Who do you guys want to see run the RNC?

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00:17:40.000 Who do you want to see run the RNC?

00:17:42.000 Do you want more of Rana?

00:17:44.000 Do you want Lee Zeldin, Mike Lindell, or our guest right now, Harmeet Dylan?

00:17:49.000 Harmeet, welcome back to the program.

00:17:51.000 We also have Tyler Boyer here, who you need to win over to be part of the 168.

00:17:56.000 Harmeet, welcome to the program.

00:17:57.000 Thanks for having me back.

00:17:59.000 Harmeet, make your case.

00:18:01.000 Why do you want to run the RNC?

00:18:05.000 Well, Charlie, that's a great question.

00:18:07.000 For one thing, our current chair told us that she was going to run for a third final term two years ago.

00:18:14.000 And so I had actually expected another member to step up and lead us to victory in 2024.

00:18:19.000 Over the last six years, we've lost the House, the Senate, and the White House.

00:18:24.000 And of course, that is a group effort and a group loss that it is just down to the RNC.

00:18:29.000 But the reality is that we have a base that we need to motivate to turn out and vote in 2024.

00:18:34.000 We have to give them confidence that we're going to be doing something differently over the next two years so that we save our precious country.

00:18:40.000 And I don't think that the base is going to be motivated to do that.

00:18:43.000 Not only do I not think that, I know it because I am a grassroots leader, not just in California, but now nationally.

00:18:50.000 And all I am hearing is begging from people who are suffering all over the country to please clean up your act, modernize, compete head to head with the Democrats in terms of fundraising, ground gain, listening to your voters, and winning elections.

00:19:04.000 There's no aid for effort in elections, you know, and we are just losing and we cannot win without a fresh perspective, leadership, and some of the energy that people like Tyler on the committee bring.

00:19:16.000 But we're not involved at the management level.

00:19:19.000 And until things change, it's going to be the same old, same old.

00:19:22.000 America can't afford that, Charlie.

00:19:24.000 Tyler, go ahead.

00:19:25.000 Well, I was just going to say this.

00:19:26.000 So, Harmee, one reason why I'm so excited about you jumping into this race is one simple reason.

00:19:32.000 And this is what most of the audience doesn't understand.

00:19:35.000 We are up against a army of lawyers that the Democrats, I think most people, do you understand this?

00:19:40.000 It's just we don't verbalize it a lot.

00:19:42.000 Perkins Coy, you have your Mark Eliases of the world.

00:19:45.000 Harmee is, it's not even a question.

00:19:49.000 Everybody knows this, is that Harmee is like the preeminent lawyer that we all respect and love.

00:19:56.000 And we need to build an army behind you, Harmee.

00:19:59.000 So, I mean, what I'm most excited about is if you get in there as the RNC chair, I mean, talk to us a little bit about how you build that out and how that translates into winning elections, because I don't think most people understand that we lose elections even before election day, oftentimes, because we're just like hundreds of lawyers behind the Democrats.

00:20:19.000 Can you explain that?

00:20:19.000 Yeah, it's a great question.

00:20:20.000 Absolutely.

00:20:21.000 So, there's two aspects to this.

00:20:22.000 One is cold hard cash.

00:20:25.000 Democrats outrage us about 10 to 1.

00:20:27.000 Now, you know, in successive six years at the RNC, I keep hearing it every meeting: hey, for the 19th cycle, we have outraged the DNC.

00:20:36.000 Everyone claps, yay, good job.

00:20:38.000 But that's not the right denominator or the right numerator, okay?

00:20:42.000 The Democrats are outraising us by 10 to 1 into dark money packs, into pseudo-nonprofits that are heavily partisan, and into all kinds of party committees, unions, you name it.

00:20:53.000 They are just like overwhelming us.

00:20:55.000 Number two, Democrats have realized that where they can't win over a legislature, which is where the laws of elections are made, they go to the courts and they overturn the will of the people and the courts by litigation.

00:21:05.000 We have not matched them even 10% over the years.

00:21:08.000 And so, as a result of that, there are very few election lawyers in the country.

00:21:12.000 Like, I'm not, you know, like the best mix and slice of bread, but the reality is I'm willing to do it.

00:21:16.000 Most lawyers are not willing to just work for free around the time of an election and drop their day jobs and be some kind of lawyer militia, which has been the model of Republicans.

00:21:25.000 Like, you know, like we don't have volunteer comms people, volunteer campaign manage volunteer media holding our volunteer-made ads, but we expect lawyers to do this as a volunteer.

00:21:35.000 So, as a result, we don't have a cadre of lawyers who've been specializing in election litigation and willing to do it year-round.

00:21:41.000 The Democrats do it year-round, they don't do it around the clock.

00:21:46.000 And so, you know, that's the situation that we have.

00:21:49.000 And we have to start investing.

00:21:52.000 Now, Ronna did start investing in this last election cycle after we lost the White House and the House.

00:21:59.000 So, I appreciate that.

00:22:01.000 But I heard that we're dismantling the election integrity program right now.

00:22:05.000 I heard the funds aren't there.

00:22:07.000 And you know what?

00:22:09.000 That does not work for me.

00:22:10.000 Absolutely.

00:22:11.000 I heard it from a top election lawyer inside the Beltway who was very surprised and disappointed to hear that directly from the chair that the funds aren't there.

00:22:18.000 And, you know, guess what?

00:22:19.000 We're going to have to visit that right around the next election.

00:22:22.000 No, no, no, that does not work.

00:22:24.000 I just want everyone to understand this.

00:22:25.000 So, right now, the current RNC regime is saying that they are going to be dismantling the RNC election integrity project because they say the money is not there.

00:22:39.000 So, let me get this short.

00:22:40.000 This is what I heard yesterday from one of the top Republican election integrity lawyers in America inside the Beltway.

00:22:47.000 And she said she heard that directly from the chair.

00:22:49.000 Now, lawyers call that hearsay.

00:22:51.000 This is a very highly respected person.

00:22:54.000 Everybody in the movement in the Beltway would know this person.

00:22:57.000 So, I'm not going to say that person's name, but I believe it because, look, I had been the election integrity lawyer in California.

00:23:04.000 It was staffed.

00:23:05.000 I've been on the ground in Arizona with Tyler and with Carrie Lake's campaign, Blake Masters' campaign, Steve Homeday's campaign.

00:23:13.000 And around the election, we did a good job making sure people were on the ground.

00:23:18.000 But what about a year before the election?

00:23:20.000 What about the lawsuits that needed to have been brought two years before the election to clean up Maricopa County?

00:23:25.000 That didn't happen, okay?

00:23:27.000 And so, look, am I going to be able to solve all the problems of the RNC?

00:23:31.000 Look, I'm going to be new at this.

00:23:33.000 I'm going to need this, it is going to be a team effort.

00:23:36.000 There's no IM team, but really going to have to come together as a party.

00:23:40.000 And I'm afraid we're not united right now in the RNC.

00:23:43.000 That's not a change.

00:23:44.000 So, Tyler, I want you to chime in here for a second.

00:23:47.000 Harmee Dylan is running, but the audience of which she has to win over is a majority of the 168.

00:23:53.000 Tyler Boyer is one of those 168.

00:23:56.000 Tyler, you just heard the election integrity project.

00:23:59.000 It's your say, okay, everyone might be dismantled.

00:24:01.000 But that doesn't shock you because the RNC doesn't really seem to be making the priority of expenditures where it matters, especially in Arizona.

00:24:09.000 Well, let me put this into perspective too.

00:24:13.000 And Harmee knows this: is that I mean, we are decades behind the Democrats on election integrity because of a number of things that happened years ago where we couldn't even poll watch for years.

00:24:28.000 And so I won't get into the details of that because the audience, it's a little bit in the show.

00:24:32.000 It's a decree that was signed away.

00:24:34.000 Yeah, it was signed by a but it's done now.

00:24:36.000 It's over.

00:24:36.000 And the Republican Party just like kind of bent over and took it.

00:24:39.000 And nobody talked about this for decades.

00:24:41.000 And so it put us behind decades.

00:24:44.000 And kind of what Harmee's talking about here is: I mean, we've got, I mean, this is a personnel, personality development pipeline that has been completely eradicated, but we have to build up quickly.

00:24:56.000 And so when you look at that and you say, hey, all right, who's going to be the best person?

00:25:00.000 This is how I look at it.

00:25:01.000 And I haven't committed to any candidate.

00:25:03.000 You know, I'm like one of the few who isn't a swing voter.

00:25:07.000 I'm a swing voter.

00:25:08.000 I'm just kidding.

00:25:09.000 I haven't committed to any candidate yet, but I love Harme.

00:25:11.000 I've known Harmee now for years.

00:25:14.000 It's who's going to be the best person who's going to be able to build that pipeline quickly.

00:25:18.000 And again, I'm excited about Harmeet because Harmeet's really one of the only people in the RNC who I trust to be able to build that help build that pipeline and lead us.

00:25:28.000 And like she said, it's not just her.

00:25:29.000 It requires all of us to do that.

00:25:31.000 Like Charlie's going to figure out smart lawyers to get, but what Harmee just brought up is really good.

00:25:36.000 And Harmie, you can comment on this.

00:25:39.000 We have a lot of wussy lawyers, right?

00:25:41.000 And so the frustration is when people, we have people like trying to convince a lawyer to actually take on some of these judges and go toe-to-toe, like that takes years of development.

00:25:53.000 I don't know.

00:25:53.000 Kind of speak to that, Harmee, and kind of where we're at in that, in that, in like layman's terms for us, because we're not attorneys of what we need from an energy standpoint, from a legal strategy.

00:26:04.000 Okay, so we don't even have time on this show to talk about all the issues here, but let me tell you what's happened after 2020.

00:26:10.000 So, first of all, we had a lot of corporate lawyers, a lot of swampy lawyers who represent the RNC, the NRSC, the NRCC.

00:26:18.000 They do a lot of campaign finance work.

00:26:19.000 Yes, they go to a lawsuit.

00:26:21.000 They suddenly are, they don't even know how to do it, frankly.

00:26:24.000 But, you know, we've paid some of these firms $30, $40 million over the last few years.

00:26:29.000 When it came time to talk about the rampant abuses of election laws in Pennsylvania, all the swing states in 2020, they turned tail and ran.

00:26:37.000 They refused to represent the RNC or candidates for our campaigns.

00:26:41.000 Even the law firms that filed lawsuits, they got calls from one corporate donor that, of course, the Democrats have a better stranglehold on, and they dropped cases in the middle of those cases.

00:26:50.000 And then you had to like scroot around and find random lawyers to come forward and do it.

00:26:54.000 And guess what?

00:26:54.000 Some of them didn't know what they were doing.

00:26:56.000 They did not do a good job.

00:26:57.000 I would not have been able to stand up in court and make some of the crazy and losing arguments that were made.

00:27:02.000 And I didn't.

00:27:03.000 You know, I have some integrity.

00:27:05.000 So, you know, that leads you to the situation where now bar complaints were filed against some of the good lawyers who did stand up and make arguments and the judges didn't buy them.

00:27:14.000 That's a shame, including some arguments that made to the Supreme Court where the courts just didn't want to get involved for political reasons, I suspect.

00:27:22.000 And so now those lawyers are afraid they have partners.

00:27:24.000 They have to pay their mortgages.

00:27:26.000 So now you have to find lawyers who are willing to step up, knowing that they're going to be frivolous bar complaints.

00:27:31.000 Judges are skeptical because of 2020 and some frankly unfortunate arguments that were made by some responsible lawyers.

00:27:38.000 And then you have the party saying, guess what, Harmee?

00:27:40.000 We don't have money for that project.

00:27:41.000 I'm sorry.

00:27:42.000 That project is winning elections.

00:27:44.000 That's literally the project.

00:27:46.000 Why do I see, you know, I'm sorry, I'm getting very angry here.

00:27:49.000 Why do I see private jet expenses on the FEC report, but you don't have money for election litigation?

00:27:56.000 No, some donors who have set up with the party have stepped up and started other organizations.

00:28:03.000 You know, one of those donors supports some of my election litigation outside the party.

00:28:06.000 But look, it's always better, just from a any lawyers are watching this from a standing perspective.

00:28:11.000 It's always better if you can get the party to be the plaintiff because the party represents all the voters in the country who are Republicans.

00:28:20.000 So they have the best standing, not a nonprofit, not some others.

00:28:23.000 And so you go into court, and the party's like, sorry, we have no cash for that, but let's go have this big donor retreat.

00:28:28.000 Let's go, like, you know, spend money on dumb ads that don't work.

00:28:31.000 And I'm like, what am I here for? 0.97

00:28:33.000 I'm here to win elections.

00:28:34.000 I'm not here for council parties.

00:28:36.000 I am not here for, you know, filling in on.

00:28:39.000 I'm here so that people in my state don't have to pay $7 for gas and they can afford housing.

00:28:45.000 That's what I'm here for.

00:28:46.000 And so that's why I'm so frustrated.

00:28:48.000 Nobody else stepped up.

00:28:49.000 I'm willing to step away from my law practice for two years.

00:28:52.000 I'm willing to step away from my nonprofit for two years and make it my priority to lay the groundwork now so that in 2024, a Republican is elected to the White House.

00:29:02.000 Good new Republicans are elected in a historical opportunity in the Senate.

00:29:07.000 And we have a comfortable margin in the House.

00:29:09.000 We do not have a comfortable margin in the House.

00:29:11.000 All this gaslighting that we just won the last election, we barely won it.

00:29:15.000 As you can see, all the drama over the leadership struggle in Congress.

00:29:18.000 It is ugly.

00:29:19.000 It is a very narrow victory.

00:29:21.000 And so I am not comfortable as a Republican.

00:29:23.000 I have not slept well since 2020, to be honest with you.

00:29:26.000 It looks like I'm not going to sleep well for the next two years, whether I win this race or not.

00:29:30.000 But I'm prepared to step up.

00:29:31.000 I know that there are some others waiting in the wing.

00:29:32.000 They're afraid.

00:29:33.000 The politics of the RNC is that right now people's votes are being frankly bought with donor money and promises of funds transfers to their states or even worse contracts that are being offered to people or, oh, I'll appoint you to the chairmanship of this plump committee, which will get you to travel around and look good to your state if you vote for the current leadership.

00:29:54.000 I think that's appalling.

00:29:55.000 And honestly, I hope it gets exposed over the next few weeks.

00:29:58.000 Not acceptable.

00:29:59.000 This is our party.

00:30:00.000 Yes.

00:30:01.000 The GLP stands for Brand Old Party.

00:30:03.000 It's for we, the people.

00:30:05.000 Okay.

00:30:06.000 And so we need to understand it's our party.

00:30:09.000 The people who are voting for RNC chair are representatives of the hundreds of millions of Republicans.

00:30:15.000 They need to understand that.

00:30:16.000 So what I said in a letter to all the RNC last night is I asked them, just go back to your states and ask the people who elected you chairman, national committee man, national committee woman.

00:30:27.000 Do you like and think we should continue the current leadership of the RNC?

00:30:31.000 What are your ideas for improving what's going on?

00:30:36.000 And how do you feel about the direction of the party?

00:30:39.000 I think that the answer to that, what Tyler, I've seen your poll, what I've seen on my own Twitter page and others, our voters do not like the direction of the party, the country, or the current leadership.

00:30:52.000 I hear it loud and clear.

00:30:53.000 I hope they hear it loud and clear too.

00:30:55.000 We are in the era of lawfare and we keep on losing in the courts. 1.00

00:30:59.000 Maybe we should have a chairwoman of the RNC that's a lawyer that has a killer instinct.

00:31:05.000 That would be logical, wouldn't it?

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00:32:09.000 This is a very basic question, but it's also an important one.

00:32:12.000 We've had multiple people email us asking, what does the RNC do and what should it do in its ideal sense?

00:32:20.000 Because we get a lot of excuses.

00:32:22.000 They raise $300 million and then we're told that they don't have any money.

00:32:26.000 So what do they do exactly?

00:32:29.000 Well, the job of the RNC is to raise money and support state parties, support candidates.

00:32:34.000 There's sharing of funds with NRCC, NRSC.

00:32:39.000 It is to train volunteers.

00:32:41.000 It is to train staffers.

00:32:43.000 It is to support getting Republicans elected in every way possible.

00:32:47.000 If there's more money, you do more stuff.

00:32:50.000 You do more litigation.

00:32:51.000 You hire more ground staff.

00:32:52.000 RNC has a voter registration program.

00:32:55.000 Although, in my opinion, the voter registration is best done at the state level, at the precinct level.

00:33:01.000 That's how I got started in politics here in all places, San Francisco.

00:33:05.000 I stood out in the rain outside new citizen swearing-in ceremonies and registered voters.

00:33:09.000 And I was able to say, hey, I live in your community and I'm a voter here.

00:33:13.000 Please join my party.

00:33:14.000 And that's very effective.

00:33:15.000 I'm not sure how effective other methods are, but you got people like Scott Pressler out there outside the party doing like the Johnny Appleseed approach of running around on his own time.

00:33:26.000 And so I want to see the RNC, what I think it should be doing is inspiring our base with messaging that's not reacting to the Democrats and using the same five talking points.

00:33:38.000 It is clear.

00:33:39.000 It is positive.

00:33:40.000 It is articulating what America can look like if we change, if we elect the right leaders, because that's like where we are right now.

00:33:47.000 We do not have the right leaders, even in our party, in my opinion.

00:33:50.000 And so we need to be raising prolific amounts of money inside the party, but also that needs to be part of a constellation of fundraising because you can be very effective using nonprofits to do some of these things.

00:34:02.000 Some litigation can be done by nonprofits representing individuals or groups.

00:34:07.000 Some election activities in terms of registering voters can be done in particular areas through nonprofits.

00:34:13.000 There's a lot of work that can be done efficiently with donor dollars.

00:34:16.000 So are we, but you know, if your attitude is, I, me, me, me, I want to raise as much money as I can.

00:34:22.000 I don't care about the cost of fundraising being 40 plus percent.

00:34:25.000 I don't care about the, you know, the money being wasted on 40% of their budget goes to fundraising.

00:34:33.000 You know, some of it is more expensive than that.

00:34:35.000 Some of it is less expensive than that.

00:34:37.000 It's, it's insane.

00:34:38.000 There's a high cost of raising dollars.

00:34:40.000 It's inefficient.

00:34:41.000 And a lot of that is padding of consultant salaries.

00:34:44.000 Those consultants support the current regime.

00:34:47.000 Those consultants supported the last.

00:34:47.000 Okay.

00:34:49.000 I'll just be very honest.

00:34:50.000 Sorry to interrupt you, Harmee.

00:34:51.000 We raise a lot of money at Turning Point USA.

00:34:53.000 Praise God.

00:34:53.000 We have 150,000 donors.

00:34:55.000 We keep that below 6% to 7%.

00:34:57.000 I mean, so somebody here is getting fabulously wealthy.

00:35:02.000 Tyler, sorry to interrupt you, Harmee.

00:35:04.000 No problem.

00:35:05.000 You're right.

00:35:06.000 And that's a major issue.

00:35:07.000 I think Harmee brought this up.

00:35:09.000 Again, this is any, I'm a board member.

00:35:12.000 We have 168 board members, right?

00:35:14.000 I'm a board member.

00:35:16.000 I'm one of 168.

00:35:17.000 It's a big board.

00:35:18.000 But as a board member, as a stakeholder in the RNC, when you ask the question, are we effectively spending every dollar, every dime that comes into the RNC?

00:35:30.000 I can't effectively say that the answer is yes.

00:35:34.000 And that concerns me.

00:35:36.000 Even for a chair that's coming into this, Ron has been here for many years.

00:35:40.000 Five years, yeah.

00:35:41.000 And it's got to, you know, and there's, and if there's concerns there, that concerns me even more than if she was like a first year or second year.

00:35:49.000 Final thoughts, make the final case for the grassroots.

00:35:52.000 And as I've said, Harmet, we're opening this up to the grassroots.

00:35:55.000 We want millions of people involved in this race.

00:35:57.000 Harmeet, final thoughts.

00:35:58.000 Okay, the final thoughts are a lot of members of the RNC on paper, a majority of them have said, oh, I love what's happening at the RNC.

00:36:05.000 I want to see more of that.

00:36:06.000 And so they're supporting the current chair and her vision.

00:36:11.000 It's not personal, but if they want change and they want us to see us have the best chance of winning in 24, they need to contact the three members of the RNC in their state.

00:36:21.000 Chair, national committee man, national committee woman.

00:36:24.000 In Arizona, they need to contact Tyler and Lori Klein Corbin and the chair, Kelly Ward.

00:36:30.000 And they need to tell them, please vote for change.

00:36:33.000 I demand that you do the fiduciarily appropriate thing and vote for change at the RNC.

00:36:38.000 And tell me that you're going to do that.

00:36:40.000 Give me that commitment in writing.

00:36:42.000 And that's what I need to see happen.

00:36:44.000 We need that pressure to go on the members to do the right thing and change.

00:36:47.000 Whether it's me, Lise Eldon, or Mike Lindell or whoever, we have to have change at the RNC.

00:36:52.000 I think I'm the best person to do it, but please let there be change.

00:36:55.000 Scott Pressler, who we all like, is putting together a list.

00:36:58.000 This will complete the point for everyone in the audience, a list of every member that you'll be able to contact.

00:37:03.000 They work for you.

00:37:04.000 And these members, a lot of them have never, ever been put on the hot seat about time.

00:37:09.000 We make the grassroots in charge, not the consultants.

00:37:12.000 Harmet, God bless you.

00:37:14.000 We'll see if you want to.

00:37:14.000 Thanks for having me.

00:37:15.000 Good luck, Harmeet.

00:37:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:20.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:23.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:37:25.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 06, 2022

The Fight For the RNC with Harmeet Dhillon and Tyler Bowyer

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