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00:01:08.000With us is Tyler Boyer, who's the COO of Turning Point Action.
00:01:11.000But more importantly, for today's discussion, he is one of 168 that will be meeting in Dana Point, California in late January to select either the same or a new leader of the Republican National Committee.
00:01:26.000Charlie, again, I don't, you know, I take this very seriously, that vote, 168, but I have a little bit more of an interesting position because all roads lead through Arizona for 2024.
00:01:41.000And so a lot of people are very interested in how Arizona is voting on this.
00:01:45.000And we have heard abundantly that people are very upset with Mitch McConnell for good reason and with even Kevin McCarthy.
00:01:56.000Even though we took back two House seats here in Arizona, just generally the sentiment is that people are not happy in Arizona.
00:02:03.000And, you know, Andy Biggs has talked about to talk about his thoughts on that.
00:02:10.000And so people naturally are not, are unequivocally upset also in general.
00:02:17.000And I'd say it's probably about 90% plus of the party, very upset with our current leadership in the RNC.
00:07:20.000So we basically have a month and a half of campaigning, which is a lot of time in these party races.
00:07:25.000And what is historically significant here, everybody, at least for the first time in my memory, this is the first time that this is going to be done in the public with you, the grassroots.
00:07:38.000Usually it's backroom deals, and then you're kind of like, wait, who's the chairman or who's the chairwoman?
00:07:44.000And right, Tyler, what we are doing on this program is we want to empower our millions of listeners to actually participate in the selection of the RNC.
00:08:52.000And so I think for the first time with the grassroots involved, a lot of these things happen, again, behind closed doors, questionable.
00:09:02.000I think it's a little bit of a scary concept for people to dedicate themselves without thinking that they're going to be held accountable here.
00:09:10.000I mean, I can tell you this, and this is a word of warning just because I live in the grassroots with you, is that you will be held accountable, I think, if you're not honest with the grassroots.
00:09:20.000So many of you are saying, okay, okay, I got it, Charlie.
00:09:22.000I want to get rid of the incumbent power structure.
00:09:26.000We are going to walk you through, by the way, this is going to be a process for many weeks.
00:09:31.000And by the way, Turning Point Action, our 501c4, is going to be hosting a forum for the RNC candidates at Turning Point USA's America Fest.
00:09:42.000So AmericaFest is going to be where this is decided.
00:09:45.000Understand, everybody, usually this happens backroom deals.
00:11:47.000Any, I think a question needs to be asked is, shouldn't new leadership be put in place?
00:11:52.000I mean, that's not against the person.
00:11:54.000It's also just a very fair way of looking at saying we, the country cannot afford to lose any longer.
00:12:00.000Yeah, I mean, look, I think the way that we look at it is very black and white sometimes with these things where it's like, oh, you lost or you're out.
00:12:08.000Like, I don't, I don't look at it that way.
00:12:09.000It's, you know, everybody here is contributing something, but sometimes you need to shake it up and do something a little bit different, right?
00:12:16.000It's like, it's, it's like basketball.
00:14:09.000That's one of the ones that I'm saying.
00:14:10.000I'm grilling Harmee, you know, on her.
00:14:12.000Like, I'm grilling Michael in the middle.
00:14:14.000You can ask questions of her because she actually will take your questions more seriously than mine because you're actually the audience.
00:14:19.000But Tyler, talk about how unique it is.
00:14:22.000What we're going to be doing, which is to open it up to millions of people to participate in what otherwise is a cigar-filled room backdoor process that almost they don't want the grassroots involved in.
00:14:34.000Look, and here's the, here's the deal, guys.
00:14:36.000At Turning Point Action, we have been recruiting precinct committee men for some time and we've been doing it humbly kind of behind the background, just working with our staff.
00:14:42.000We have an incredible staff in the key target states for that.
00:14:46.000But the reason why we recruit people is for this reason, is because the number one thing that is involved with the precinct committeeman job that becomes state committeemen or becomes central committee members is to elect party leadership that represents our values.
00:15:02.000If you don't get involved, and again, this isn't a knock at anyone, but if you don't elect the right people at the local level, this is how you end up, you know, being upset with people at the national level.
00:15:15.000And we're kind of unlocking the door, kind of joking about this, but we're kind of unlocking the door and changing the game here because it's like you, guys like Steve Bannon and a few others are saying, here's the door.
00:15:25.000It's opening and we're letting everybody in.
00:15:29.000And that's what my, I view my job is to let everybody into that process that may feel detached from that.
00:15:48.000I think you tweeted this out and we agree on the tweet.
00:15:53.000Is that is that we, I mean, if I could shut down, if I could just board up the doors of the RNC in DC, I would do it.
00:16:00.000If I was RNC chair, I would literally take big fat nails and big fat two by fours and knock them over the door and say, we're moving to Florida or Arizona or Arizona or Wisconsin or Georgia and we're opening up offices there.
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00:18:05.000Well, Charlie, that's a great question.
00:18:07.000For one thing, our current chair told us that she was going to run for a third final term two years ago.
00:18:14.000And so I had actually expected another member to step up and lead us to victory in 2024.
00:18:19.000Over the last six years, we've lost the House, the Senate, and the White House.
00:18:24.000And of course, that is a group effort and a group loss that it is just down to the RNC.
00:18:29.000But the reality is that we have a base that we need to motivate to turn out and vote in 2024.
00:18:34.000We have to give them confidence that we're going to be doing something differently over the next two years so that we save our precious country.
00:18:40.000And I don't think that the base is going to be motivated to do that.
00:18:43.000Not only do I not think that, I know it because I am a grassroots leader, not just in California, but now nationally.
00:18:50.000And all I am hearing is begging from people who are suffering all over the country to please clean up your act, modernize, compete head to head with the Democrats in terms of fundraising, ground gain, listening to your voters, and winning elections.
00:19:04.000There's no aid for effort in elections, you know, and we are just losing and we cannot win without a fresh perspective, leadership, and some of the energy that people like Tyler on the committee bring.
00:19:16.000But we're not involved at the management level.
00:19:19.000And until things change, it's going to be the same old, same old.
00:19:49.000Everybody knows this, is that Harmee is like the preeminent lawyer that we all respect and love.
00:19:56.000And we need to build an army behind you, Harmee.
00:19:59.000So, I mean, what I'm most excited about is if you get in there as the RNC chair, I mean, talk to us a little bit about how you build that out and how that translates into winning elections, because I don't think most people understand that we lose elections even before election day, oftentimes, because we're just like hundreds of lawyers behind the Democrats.
00:20:38.000But that's not the right denominator or the right numerator, okay?
00:20:42.000The Democrats are outraising us by 10 to 1 into dark money packs, into pseudo-nonprofits that are heavily partisan, and into all kinds of party committees, unions, you name it.
00:20:55.000Number two, Democrats have realized that where they can't win over a legislature, which is where the laws of elections are made, they go to the courts and they overturn the will of the people and the courts by litigation.
00:21:05.000We have not matched them even 10% over the years.
00:21:08.000And so, as a result of that, there are very few election lawyers in the country.
00:21:12.000Like, I'm not, you know, like the best mix and slice of bread, but the reality is I'm willing to do it.
00:21:16.000Most lawyers are not willing to just work for free around the time of an election and drop their day jobs and be some kind of lawyer militia, which has been the model of Republicans.
00:21:25.000Like, you know, like we don't have volunteer comms people, volunteer campaign manage volunteer media holding our volunteer-made ads, but we expect lawyers to do this as a volunteer.
00:21:35.000So, as a result, we don't have a cadre of lawyers who've been specializing in election litigation and willing to do it year-round.
00:21:41.000The Democrats do it year-round, they don't do it around the clock.
00:21:46.000And so, you know, that's the situation that we have.
00:22:11.000I heard it from a top election lawyer inside the Beltway who was very surprised and disappointed to hear that directly from the chair that the funds aren't there.
00:22:24.000I just want everyone to understand this.
00:22:25.000So, right now, the current RNC regime is saying that they are going to be dismantling the RNC election integrity project because they say the money is not there.
00:23:56.000Tyler, you just heard the election integrity project.
00:23:59.000It's your say, okay, everyone might be dismantled.
00:24:01.000But that doesn't shock you because the RNC doesn't really seem to be making the priority of expenditures where it matters, especially in Arizona.
00:24:09.000Well, let me put this into perspective too.
00:24:13.000And Harmee knows this: is that I mean, we are decades behind the Democrats on election integrity because of a number of things that happened years ago where we couldn't even poll watch for years.
00:24:28.000And so I won't get into the details of that because the audience, it's a little bit in the show.
00:24:44.000And kind of what Harmee's talking about here is: I mean, we've got, I mean, this is a personnel, personality development pipeline that has been completely eradicated, but we have to build up quickly.
00:24:56.000And so when you look at that and you say, hey, all right, who's going to be the best person?
00:25:14.000It's who's going to be the best person who's going to be able to build that pipeline quickly.
00:25:18.000And again, I'm excited about Harmeet because Harmeet's really one of the only people in the RNC who I trust to be able to build that help build that pipeline and lead us.
00:25:39.000We have a lot of wussy lawyers, right?
00:25:41.000And so the frustration is when people, we have people like trying to convince a lawyer to actually take on some of these judges and go toe-to-toe, like that takes years of development.
00:25:53.000Kind of speak to that, Harmee, and kind of where we're at in that, in that, in like layman's terms for us, because we're not attorneys of what we need from an energy standpoint, from a legal strategy.
00:26:04.000Okay, so we don't even have time on this show to talk about all the issues here, but let me tell you what's happened after 2020.
00:26:10.000So, first of all, we had a lot of corporate lawyers, a lot of swampy lawyers who represent the RNC, the NRSC, the NRCC.
00:26:18.000They do a lot of campaign finance work.
00:26:21.000They suddenly are, they don't even know how to do it, frankly.
00:26:24.000But, you know, we've paid some of these firms $30, $40 million over the last few years.
00:26:29.000When it came time to talk about the rampant abuses of election laws in Pennsylvania, all the swing states in 2020, they turned tail and ran.
00:26:37.000They refused to represent the RNC or candidates for our campaigns.
00:26:41.000Even the law firms that filed lawsuits, they got calls from one corporate donor that, of course, the Democrats have a better stranglehold on, and they dropped cases in the middle of those cases.
00:26:50.000And then you had to like scroot around and find random lawyers to come forward and do it.
00:27:05.000So, you know, that leads you to the situation where now bar complaints were filed against some of the good lawyers who did stand up and make arguments and the judges didn't buy them.
00:27:14.000That's a shame, including some arguments that made to the Supreme Court where the courts just didn't want to get involved for political reasons, I suspect.
00:27:22.000And so now those lawyers are afraid they have partners.
00:27:46.000Why do I see, you know, I'm sorry, I'm getting very angry here.
00:27:49.000Why do I see private jet expenses on the FEC report, but you don't have money for election litigation?
00:27:56.000No, some donors who have set up with the party have stepped up and started other organizations.
00:28:03.000You know, one of those donors supports some of my election litigation outside the party.
00:28:06.000But look, it's always better, just from a any lawyers are watching this from a standing perspective.
00:28:11.000It's always better if you can get the party to be the plaintiff because the party represents all the voters in the country who are Republicans.
00:28:20.000So they have the best standing, not a nonprofit, not some others.
00:28:23.000And so you go into court, and the party's like, sorry, we have no cash for that, but let's go have this big donor retreat.
00:28:28.000Let's go, like, you know, spend money on dumb ads that don't work.
00:28:49.000I'm willing to step away from my law practice for two years.
00:28:52.000I'm willing to step away from my nonprofit for two years and make it my priority to lay the groundwork now so that in 2024, a Republican is elected to the White House.
00:29:02.000Good new Republicans are elected in a historical opportunity in the Senate.
00:29:07.000And we have a comfortable margin in the House.
00:29:09.000We do not have a comfortable margin in the House.
00:29:11.000All this gaslighting that we just won the last election, we barely won it.
00:29:15.000As you can see, all the drama over the leadership struggle in Congress.
00:29:33.000The politics of the RNC is that right now people's votes are being frankly bought with donor money and promises of funds transfers to their states or even worse contracts that are being offered to people or, oh, I'll appoint you to the chairmanship of this plump committee, which will get you to travel around and look good to your state if you vote for the current leadership.
00:30:16.000So what I said in a letter to all the RNC last night is I asked them, just go back to your states and ask the people who elected you chairman, national committee man, national committee woman.
00:30:27.000Do you like and think we should continue the current leadership of the RNC?
00:30:31.000What are your ideas for improving what's going on?
00:30:36.000And how do you feel about the direction of the party?
00:30:39.000I think that the answer to that, what Tyler, I've seen your poll, what I've seen on my own Twitter page and others, our voters do not like the direction of the party, the country, or the current leadership.
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00:33:15.000I'm not sure how effective other methods are, but you got people like Scott Pressler out there outside the party doing like the Johnny Appleseed approach of running around on his own time.
00:33:26.000And so I want to see the RNC, what I think it should be doing is inspiring our base with messaging that's not reacting to the Democrats and using the same five talking points.
00:33:40.000It is articulating what America can look like if we change, if we elect the right leaders, because that's like where we are right now.
00:33:47.000We do not have the right leaders, even in our party, in my opinion.
00:33:50.000And so we need to be raising prolific amounts of money inside the party, but also that needs to be part of a constellation of fundraising because you can be very effective using nonprofits to do some of these things.
00:34:02.000Some litigation can be done by nonprofits representing individuals or groups.
00:34:07.000Some election activities in terms of registering voters can be done in particular areas through nonprofits.
00:34:13.000There's a lot of work that can be done efficiently with donor dollars.
00:34:16.000So are we, but you know, if your attitude is, I, me, me, me, I want to raise as much money as I can.
00:34:22.000I don't care about the cost of fundraising being 40 plus percent.
00:34:25.000I don't care about the, you know, the money being wasted on 40% of their budget goes to fundraising.
00:34:33.000You know, some of it is more expensive than that.
00:34:35.000Some of it is less expensive than that.
00:35:18.000But as a board member, as a stakeholder in the RNC, when you ask the question, are we effectively spending every dollar, every dime that comes into the RNC?
00:35:30.000I can't effectively say that the answer is yes.
00:35:41.000And it's got to, you know, and there's, and if there's concerns there, that concerns me even more than if she was like a first year or second year.
00:35:49.000Final thoughts, make the final case for the grassroots.
00:35:52.000And as I've said, Harmet, we're opening this up to the grassroots.
00:35:55.000We want millions of people involved in this race.
00:36:06.000And so they're supporting the current chair and her vision.
00:36:11.000It's not personal, but if they want change and they want us to see us have the best chance of winning in 24, they need to contact the three members of the RNC in their state.
00:36:21.000Chair, national committee man, national committee woman.
00:36:24.000In Arizona, they need to contact Tyler and Lori Klein Corbin and the chair, Kelly Ward.
00:36:30.000And they need to tell them, please vote for change.
00:36:33.000I demand that you do the fiduciarily appropriate thing and vote for change at the RNC.
00:36:38.000And tell me that you're going to do that.