The Charlie Kirk Show - December 03, 2020


The Fight to Expose Fraud Explained with Eric Metaxas


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Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA and Eric Metaxas of the Falkirk Center at Liberty University join me in an exclusive conversation about voter fraud, election night, and the possibility of a massive conspiracy to steal the election.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Today, the Charlie Kirk Show, an exclusive conversation with my friend, Eric Metaxas.
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00:00:12.000 Eric Metaxas and I talk about voter fraud and more.
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00:00:16.000 Here we go.
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00:01:56.000 Hey there, folks.
00:01:56.000 It's Eric Metaxas show.
00:01:58.000 Look, I've got Charlie Kirk as my guest.
00:02:00.000 Charlie of Turning Point USA, the Falkirk Center, Liberty University.
00:02:04.000 My friend, welcome.
00:02:06.000 Great to be back, Eric.
00:02:07.000 And I think I'll be seeing you in person next week.
00:02:10.000 I think you will.
00:02:13.000 I've got questions.
00:02:15.000 And this morning I was kind of freaking out a little bit on my own because I thought to myself, what I know of the conspiracy to steal a U.S. election, I mean, you sound like a maniac with a propeller hat on roller skates going down Fifth Avenue, like one of these classic nuts when you start talking about the CIA and the FBI and so on and so forth.
00:02:39.000 And yet, unfortunately, it looks like that's where we are.
00:02:43.000 My question to you, Charlie, is I feel not enough people are taking this seriously.
00:02:52.000 This is like 9-11, but everybody goes, well, so what?
00:02:56.000 I don't really understand how domestic enemies taking over the greatest nation in the history of the world would not be the only news show.
00:03:07.000 When I hear people talk about COVID restrictions, I think, are you people out of your mind?
00:03:12.000 Why are you talking about that? 1.00
00:03:14.000 A meteor like just hit Washington, D.C., and you're talking about that crap? 0.99
00:03:19.000 Like, I have no ability. 0.99
00:03:21.000 Give me some context.
00:03:23.000 I mean, do you think that the president is lonely?
00:03:26.000 Is he talking to the right people?
00:03:28.000 I just don't have any sense.
00:03:30.000 These people are not good at messaging.
00:03:32.000 Let me put it that way.
00:03:33.000 Well, I have a theory here you might agree or you might take.
00:03:37.000 And even people on our side that are afraid to talk about this, I think that they don't want it to be true.
00:03:43.000 I think that there's a discomfort that will set in.
00:03:46.000 There's almost a point of no going back as soon as you start to admit that there is this broad organized criminal network that probably stole this election.
00:03:56.000 And I think a lot of people are kind of saying, look, 10 months ago, I was living a nice life.
00:04:02.000 We had a great New Year celebration.
00:04:03.000 No one was wearing masks and everything was wonderful.
00:04:06.000 Can we just go back to that?
00:04:07.000 Maybe Joe Biden will get us back to that.
00:04:09.000 And it's almost as if if you start to talk about this, there is no going back to that.
00:04:15.000 Meaning that you're going to go to a whole other level.
00:04:18.000 Charlie, you're wise for your young age.
00:04:22.000 And that's not saying much.
00:04:23.000 You're so young that that's really saying nothing.
00:04:25.000 But I want to tell you, I think what you're saying is correct for your average person.
00:04:31.000 What I don't understand is people that I would think of as on the right side as heroic voices have been quiet.
00:04:42.000 Am I only seeing certain information and these people aren't seeing it?
00:04:47.000 In other words, how do you dismiss a Sidney Powell or a Giuliani or a Jenna Ellis?
00:04:53.000 In other words, I think that there's some people that they're really cynical, that they could just so easily dismiss this stuff.
00:04:58.000 And all of the evidence of people talking about the, forgive me, the mathematical anomalies and all that kind of stuff.
00:05:10.000 It's so compelling.
00:05:12.000 What am I missing?
00:05:13.000 In other words, how do other people not see this?
00:05:15.000 Am I just gullible?
00:05:16.000 I'm sure that's what many people must think.
00:05:18.000 Most of the other people do see this.
00:05:20.000 The question is, why are they not speaking out about it?
00:05:22.000 And again, I think there is a retreat saying that either we can't win the more we talk about it.
00:05:28.000 I'm going to pay a big personal cost if I talk about it, which is a very big thing, Eric.
00:05:32.000 The more that we've been talking about this, we've been suppressed by social media.
00:05:36.000 We've gotten strikes by the big tech companies.
00:05:39.000 You know, this is not exactly a topic or an issue that is lighthearted to talk about in the six o'clock news hour.
00:05:47.000 This is serious stuff that involves criminal networks.
00:05:50.000 This involves cover-ups.
00:05:52.000 This involves the actual integrity of our elections.
00:05:55.000 And this is typically actually, this tells us we're onto something, Eric, because whenever there is a vast network of behavior that is illegal is uncovered, it's typically this sequence of events.
00:06:08.000 And the argument I make is this, and I don't mean this as an anti-Catholic argument.
00:06:12.000 I don't.
00:06:13.000 But if you would have told anyone in Boston in the early 1960s that there were hundreds of priests that were molesting children and the Catholic Church knew about it, the diocese covered it up and they had legal representation. 0.98
00:06:26.000 People would say, you're nuts. 1.00
00:06:27.000 Shut up, heretic, go to confession. 1.00
00:06:29.000 Okay, look, that is brilliant. 1.00
00:06:31.000 No, no, no.
00:06:32.000 Listen, that is a brilliant analogy, Charlie.
00:06:35.000 Thank you, because it does help us to frame this.
00:06:39.000 I was going to go, my analogy is not nearly as good, but I was going to say, let's say it's 1917 or 1916, and you're living in Russia, and you have a wonderful life in Russia. 0.78
00:06:56.000 And somebody tells you that in a matter of months, this nation, this vast nation, the nation of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, this is going to become one of the most satanic, oppressive slave states the world has ever known.
00:07:19.000 People are going to be tortured for thinking the wrong way.
00:07:24.000 The czar's secret police were nothing compared to what is going to happen.
00:07:29.000 And every intellectual, every person of sincere Christian faith, every Jew is going to be targeted and sent to the most horrific death camps and work camps in Siberia.
00:07:44.000 Now, you and I know that happened.
00:07:48.000 So for me, what this amounts to is people are unwilling to see evil.
00:07:54.000 In other words, people keep thinking that the normal life we had before COVID or whatever it was, or the normal life before Trump, people who hate Trump think if we could just go back to the normal life of 2015, they're unwilling to deal with the fact that there is evil.
00:08:13.000 Priests molesting boys is satanic evil.
00:08:19.000 But I guess I'm just surprised, Charlie, that there are so few people that we might look to who aren't talking about this.
00:08:26.000 I mean, why aren't Mitch McConnell and those kind of people screaming about this?
00:08:32.000 Tucker Carlson's not screaming about this.
00:08:34.000 I adore Tucker Carlson, but he's not really screaming about this.
00:08:38.000 It doesn't seem normal to me.
00:08:40.000 It seems very strange to me.
00:08:42.000 Well, and there's a lot of layers to that.
00:08:45.000 And part of it, Eric, is that there is a group of people out there that are in power, you know, Senator McConnell and some of these other members of Congress that they're okay if Trump loses.
00:08:58.000 In fact, they're more powerful.
00:08:59.000 Mitch McConnell becomes the pseudo-Republican president.
00:09:03.000 Okay, so that's so that's the point, right?
00:09:05.000 So you look at somebody Mike McConnell.
00:09:07.000 I've always thought that he was a swamp creature.
00:09:10.000 That's what I consider him to be.
00:09:12.000 Shame on him.
00:09:13.000 Shame on him.
00:09:14.000 But there are a zillion others, whether it's Ted Cruz or there are so many heroes, even they don't seem to be speaking loudly enough for me to spoke up.
00:09:25.000 Yeah, and that's one reason.
00:09:28.000 It's worthy of recognition, but your point is exactly right, Eric.
00:09:32.000 Why is there this stunning landscape of silence when I made an argument yesterday, and I think it actually resonates, particularly what you're saying?
00:09:42.000 It's not that we have no evidence.
00:09:43.000 It's almost that we have too much evidence that people don't believe us because they say there's no way there could be this much evidence.
00:09:49.000 And also people say that Biden's the winner.
00:09:52.000 It's almost that we have mountains of evidence.
00:09:55.000 We have an overwhelming amount of evidence that normal people look at this and they say, there's no way you have this much evidence.
00:10:02.000 I would know about this by now.
00:10:03.000 I'd read it in the New York Times.
00:10:04.000 And they almost disengage.
00:10:06.000 And that's exactly right.
00:10:08.000 You're right.
00:10:08.000 No, and the other point of this, just super quick, is that it's the natural human inclination in this moment is to go back to memories of when things were comfortable, when things were normal.
00:10:24.000 But we have now entered a fighting season in our country.
00:10:27.000 And it tells us in Ecclesiastes there is a season for everything.
00:10:31.000 This is a fighting season.
00:10:32.000 And a lot of people don't like fighting seasons.
00:10:36.000 You're exactly right, Charlie.
00:10:39.000 And I think that, you know what this reminds me of again, you have to go to history to try to figure this out.
00:10:45.000 Every time I hear about the United States entering the Second World War on December 7th, coming up, like this week, December 7th, 1941, and you think to yourself, 0.92
00:11:01.000 what were these jerks doing for over two years while Hitler in the most evil way went about his dark business on the European continent? 0.95
00:11:18.000 We in this country did nothing. 0.99
00:11:21.000 Now, in retrospect, because we did eventually get in, we act like we were the heroes of World War II and we did it.
00:11:29.000 And you think, well, where were we when Churchill was all alone?
00:11:35.000 And when everybody was saying, it sounds like what you're saying and what I'm saying, they were kind of acting like, well, you know, we don't need to get involved.
00:11:43.000 That's in Europe. 0.57
00:11:45.000 And now we look back and we think, how could any human being with any human feeling not get involved in a war against Adolf Hitler? 0.54
00:11:56.000 But they needed two years of bucking up before they were willing to enter the war, before Pearl Harbor happened that sort of forced us to enter the war. 0.66
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00:13:14.000 So you were mentioning the two years leading up to Pearl Harbor.
00:13:17.000 The interesting backstory of that is that FDR, he did want to get more engaged in Europe.
00:13:23.000 However, the population of America was very against another conflict in the European theater.
00:13:30.000 Some people were war-weary after World War I.
00:13:32.000 But actually, the honest truth is that the American economy was, yes, going through the, you know, the kind of post-depression period, still trying to get out of, you know, kind of rebuild ourselves.
00:13:43.000 But the American population had this viewpoint that if it doesn't hit our shore, why does it matter?
00:13:49.000 And part of the sequence that led to Pearl Harbor was FDR, you don't want to say provoking, but he was almost, he was starting to try, oh, he was almost beating the drums of war by saying, hey, Japan, you're getting no more oil from us.
00:14:01.000 That's basically what ended up springing the attack on Pearl Harbor.
00:14:05.000 But it's really interesting, which is the American people did not find that posture of fighting until the war or the battle came straight to our shores.
00:14:15.000 And it's a great analogy because people were thinking back to how awful World War I was in the American homeland.
00:14:23.000 And they said, I don't want to go through that again.
00:14:25.000 It's not our problem.
00:14:26.000 I think a lot of people are now thinking through kind of in the movement and American politics, I don't want to go back to some of our nasty political fights, which is unused, which is strange because we know who the left is right now.
00:14:38.000 We know what drives them.
00:14:39.000 We know what they're possessed with and the ideas they're possessed with.
00:14:43.000 And why any conservatives would believe for a second that we're all of a sudden going to go back into kind of normal times is fascinating to me.
00:14:53.000 I mean, it is fascinating.
00:14:55.000 And National Review is dead.
00:14:57.000 Like, I cannot imagine that they are daily writing articles on why we need to move on.
00:15:03.000 And it's a disgrace that the president is going out on this note.
00:15:08.000 And I think to myself, folks, again, I don't know what you're looking at, but the very idea, this is like somebody saying, you know, that your child is being murdered and raped down the block.
00:15:22.000 And if you do anything about it, it's not going to go well for you. 0.87
00:15:25.000 I can guarantee you 80% chance you're going to die.
00:15:28.000 And you would say, so, like, and in other words, that there's no way I'm going to let that happen.
00:15:36.000 If there's a one in a thousand chance, one in a million chance, I'm going to go and do the right thing.
00:15:40.000 I would be happy to die because that is so evil.
00:15:44.000 What is happening?
00:15:45.000 What is happening in this country right now?
00:15:47.000 If it is even possible, in other words, if there are people who say, Well, I'm not so sure, I would say to them, Well, if you think there's any chance that this is real, the idea that you would look the other way doesn't really make any sense to me.
00:16:00.000 How can you not take this seriously and understand that if Biden were inaugurated under this cloud right now, with 70 million plus people believing he's a real fraud, not just they don't like him, they didn't vote for him, but that he's a fraud, that you wouldn't speak up.
00:16:17.000 This is, again, I'm just mystified.
00:16:19.000 I don't get this.
00:16:20.000 Well, and part of it is that people believe the kind of hypnosis from the main propaganda channels where they say, Well, there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
00:16:29.000 First of all, there you have an objective and a subjective statement.
00:16:34.000 So, this is a very important point that we need to you've heard this many times, right?
00:16:37.000 It's almost an incantation that they say on television every day: there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
00:16:43.000 They say it almost as a prayer ritual on CNN, and they have to every day.
00:16:48.000 And so, what you have there is a no, meaning there's none, zero.
00:16:52.000 That's an objective, and then widespread.
00:16:54.000 That's a really important thing, though.
00:16:56.000 How do you define widespread?
00:16:58.000 This is really important.
00:16:58.000 For example, 1% wouldn't be widespread.
00:17:01.000 That's not widespread.
00:17:02.000 1%'s the margin in many of these states.
00:17:05.000 So, all of a sudden, if we just have 1% voter fraud, Eric, 1%, Donald Trump is president.
00:17:11.000 And based on all the evidence we have, we have way more evidence to show there's even more than 1%.
00:17:16.000 But, but look, but even that narrative, in other words, to talk about that, isn't the real issue, Charlie, that we're talking about conspiracy?
00:17:24.000 There were people, leaders, powerful people who made a decision before the election that this is what we're going to do.
00:17:32.000 That's really what we need to go after, isn't it?
00:17:35.000 Who were the people conspiring to overturn the will of the American people?
00:17:40.000 Isn't that the real question?
00:17:42.000 Who were those people?
00:17:43.000 No, of course, but just a lot of the response that regular Republicans say is, Well, there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
00:17:50.000 It couldn't have made a difference.
00:17:51.000 A lot of them have started to see some of the narrative.
00:17:54.000 They still don't trust the results, but they're kind of like, it's time to move on, time to close the chapter.
00:17:59.000 It's time to, you know, let's get back to being gentlemen and overseeing the downfall of the West.
00:18:05.000 And so, yes, the who is very important.
00:18:11.000 And there's about 50 different variables here.
00:18:15.000 And I have a, it all made sense to me last night.
00:18:18.000 We were doing a live stream and it all just kind of came together.
00:18:20.000 I said, of course.
00:18:21.000 I said, I went to about 15 MAGA rallies in the last six months.
00:18:26.000 These are very sophisticated productions.
00:18:30.000 Multi-thousand volunteers, tens of thousands of attendees, security.
00:18:34.000 And I said, Now I know why Biden wasn't doing events.
00:18:37.000 All that infrastructure was being deployed into all this other stuff.
00:18:40.000 Ballot laundering, signature nonsense.
00:18:43.000 I mean, to do events is a lot of work.
00:18:45.000 It's not about the virus and maybe he couldn't build a crowd.
00:18:48.000 The point is, this is that they put all of their collective brain power, not into persuasion, not into actual kind of the typical mechanics of an election.
00:18:59.000 Instead, they said, We are now going to try and change the way we do elections forever.
00:19:05.000 So a big part of this was the Center for Technology and Civic Life, CTCL, the $350 million that came from Facebook that changed the way we did elections forever.
00:19:14.000 We had these big ballot drop boxes that were on every single corner in urban America.
00:19:19.000 So this is the 350,000, 350 million million that Zuckerberg gave.
00:19:28.000 Okay, now that's its own scandal.
00:19:30.000 Again, there's 15 of these that I could put all together.
00:19:32.000 So, yeah.
00:19:33.000 So it was a sleepy 501c3.
00:19:36.000 They had about a half a million dollar budget called the Center for Technology and Civic Life.
00:19:40.000 Really didn't do anything dramatic until they got approached, and there was a plan that was hatched around April or May of this year, probably because the big tech companies were afraid of a antitrust complaint that was coming their way very soon from a Democrat Congress.
00:19:58.000 So they kind of wanted to show the Democrats with a wink and a nod, hey, we're doing the good work.
00:20:03.000 Because you have to understand these antitrust complaints that the Democrats were floating in Congress were nothing more than a legislative extortion scheme to try to get the multi-trillion dollar companies to get involved in this election on their behalf because they blamed Facebook for Donald Trump's election wrongly in 2016.
00:20:20.000 Of course, they'd actually never blame their candidate or their tactics or their messaging.
00:20:23.000 So then Zuckerberg donates $350 to $400 million to this Center for Technology and Civic Life.
00:20:31.000 And again, you go from a $500,000 operating budget, Eric, to $350,000 to $400 million.
00:20:38.000 You're probably going to have a pretty good idea of where that money is going.
00:20:40.000 Zuckerberg's not going to execute that wire transfer or donate that stock if he doesn't know in a pretty form or fashion that that's going to benefit something he cares about.
00:20:52.000 And so under the virus restrictions that all of these state, local municipalities were under, particularly Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, Georgia, Maricopa County, and Phoenix, the Center for Technology and Civic Life started to work hand in hand with the Secretary of State's office and the county recorders in these massive counties and swing states, primarily swing states, but they peppered around other states just to cover themselves legally.
00:21:17.000 And they started to install these massive drop boxes.
00:21:21.000 And this is just one thing they did all across the country.
00:21:23.000 And you might have seen them where then you could put ballots in them.
00:21:26.000 Now, what's the significance of that?
00:21:28.000 Well, as people were getting 10, 15, 20, 30 ballots sent to their home wrongly, and everyone wears masks all the time, you could, in an unidentified way, drop off 30 ballots into these drop boxes, and then the ballots are effectively laundered.
00:21:41.000 This is exactly what happened.
00:21:42.000 So you have dirty ballots that if you were to go through the regular process of going to the county recorder's office and turning them in with your ID, they'd say, well, show me if this is really your ballot.
00:21:52.000 You can then drop them into these boxes and you're completely cleansed of it.
00:21:56.000 And you can't get caught because it's not mail fraud.
00:21:59.000 So there's no record of it going actually into the U.S. to Postal Service mail system.
00:22:03.000 It's this very weird kind of short circuitry of the elections.
00:22:08.000 Beyond that, they provided the vote counting tabulators.
00:22:11.000 They provided grants for people that actually had back-end and front-end access to how the votes were counted.
00:22:17.000 I'll give you another example.
00:22:19.000 An organization by the name of Rock the Vote.
00:22:21.000 You may have heard this organization before.
00:22:24.000 They were given front-end access to input ballots, front-end access to input ballots in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
00:22:32.000 So they were given basically the passwords to the Secretary of State's office.
00:22:36.000 This is discovered by the great Phil Klein, who we've had on our program, former Attorney General of Kansas.
00:22:41.000 I encourage you to have him on.
00:22:43.000 He's uncovered a lot of this.
00:22:44.000 If you give us his information, he's been on my list.
00:22:48.000 He's going to get that from you when we go off the air.
00:22:50.000 This is just one of the many different scandals that were operating together.
00:22:54.000 And what's very clear, though, the only through line here, though, Eric, and you mentioned it, is that powerful people are behind all of these.
00:23:01.000 This is not an organic thing where people are rising to the streets or big rallies are happening.
00:23:06.000 No.
00:23:07.000 Center for Technology and Civic Life, a guy worth $110 billion writes a $350 to $400 million check.
00:23:14.000 Wow.
00:23:15.000 All of a sudden, big tech starts censoring all conservative voices.
00:23:19.000 The multi-trillion dollar companies get involved in our elections.
00:23:21.000 Signature verification.
00:23:23.000 Who changed that?
00:23:24.000 Secretary of State's office in collusion and conjunction with people like Stacey Abrams and the multi-billionaire lobby got involved and changed the way we did elections and signature verification.
00:23:35.000 All of these things were plotted months in advance.
00:23:38.000 So, while we were worried about the polls, maybe not, we were really loving voter registration.
00:23:44.000 All of a sudden, they were changing the way that elections were done.
00:23:47.000 And here's the proof.
00:23:49.000 If you want to say, well, Charlie, how can you prove this?
00:23:52.000 Florida, that's how I can prove it. 0.99
00:23:54.000 It's the only state where none of this crap was allowed. 0.96
00:23:57.000 Ron DeSantis said, You're not putting these boxes on our streets. 0.98
00:24:00.000 We do elections our way.
00:24:02.000 If you request a ballot, you have to verify the signature.
00:24:04.000 Everything was done beautifully in Florida.
00:24:07.000 I voted in Florida, Eric, and I saw firsthand when I voted early in Sarasota County, Florida.
00:24:12.000 A guy tried to come in and vote right next to me as I was signing in.
00:24:16.000 And they said, Well, he checked in.
00:24:17.000 They said, Sir, it shows that we already sent you a ballot.
00:24:20.000 He says, I didn't get a ballot making some excuse.
00:24:22.000 They said, We can't let you vote today because we already sent you a ballot unless you surrender your ballot.
00:24:26.000 He got frustrated and left.
00:24:28.000 I said, Right there is an example of voter fraud that just got deterred.
00:24:32.000 The system was working in front of my very eyes.
00:24:35.000 And Florida, what did Donald Trump do?
00:24:37.000 Won by four points.
00:24:39.000 So you have a battleground state where Florida used to be decided by 10,000 votes or less.
00:24:45.000 It was always razor thin.
00:24:46.000 They did their elections the right way.
00:24:48.000 Do you remember in 2018, you had Brenda Snipes in Broward County where you had Senator Bill Nelson against then Governor Rick Scott?
00:24:56.000 This is just two years ago.
00:24:58.000 Brenda Snipes kept on finding ballots and they were driving in the middle of the night.
00:25:01.000 You know what Ron DeSantis did the moment he became governor?
00:25:04.000 He said, I demand your resignation.
00:25:05.000 We're redoing the way we do elections in this state.
00:25:08.000 And all of a sudden, Florida had their results by 9 o'clock Eastern and Donald Trump wins by four points.
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00:26:35.000 I knew there was a reason I was going to have you on this program today.
00:26:38.000 I got to tell you, Charlie, this is all wonderfully clarifying, not just for me, but I'm sure for most of my audience.
00:26:49.000 Where do you think we are?
00:26:52.000 Do you think we go between here and December 14th?
00:27:00.000 I think the state legislatures need to start stepping up, and I think we're starting to see that.
00:27:04.000 I think every state legislature in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan should step up and call a special session to possibly withhold electors.
00:27:14.000 I don't necessarily think they should seat them for Trump.
00:27:17.000 I think that would be probably a step too far.
00:27:19.000 Just say we don't have the confidence to seat our electors.
00:27:21.000 That's the way this process works.
00:27:23.000 And it says very clearly in the Constitution that the state legislatures oversee the seating of electors.
00:27:30.000 And we'll see the kind of backbone that we have in some of these states.
00:27:34.000 We are seeing the preemptive certification of these elections in a lot of states, but that doesn't mean anything.
00:27:39.000 Certification is nothing.
00:27:41.000 It all comes down to the state legislature.
00:27:44.000 We might get a very favorable rating, ruling, I should say, from the Supreme Court.
00:27:49.000 I am not banking anything on the courts at this moment.
00:27:52.000 I think that they're going to try to be apolitical.
00:27:54.000 And if there's anything, there might be some technicality clarification.
00:27:58.000 So I think the best hope we have is the state legislature.
00:28:01.000 You've said so much of value today.
00:28:05.000 I just kind of ask you, though, I still have so many questions.
00:28:09.000 It's such a mystifying situation.
00:28:11.000 You have people like three-star general Tom McInerney in a conversation with General Flynn the other day talking about stuff that is, you know, way beyond Zuckerberg giving money to do what you described earlier, because that's almost legitimate in an ugly way.
00:28:32.000 You can see that that wasn't a conspiracy by the Democratic Party or by the deep state that we know of.
00:28:38.000 It was just somebody Zuckerberg trying to, you know, in a sense, take care of himself by doing this, right?
00:28:47.000 And we know it's evil, but at the same time, it makes some kind of sense.
00:28:51.000 But when you have General Flynn and General McInerney talking about the CIA and the FBI in the deep state trying to do a coup, where do you go with that?
00:29:03.000 I don't dismiss it.
00:29:04.000 And I mean, I think after what we've learned of what our intelligence agencies are capable of and what they've done, I think it would be wrong to kind of throw that out.
00:29:13.000 I will say this, that if you look at the characteristics of how the Central Intelligence Agency used to overthrow governments, one of the things that is in the playbook of the CIA is to publish polls that show that the incumbent you're trying to overthrow is very unpopular.
00:29:30.000 So that when the final result comes that you want, no one is surprised by it. 0.60
00:29:35.000 That is the Soviets used to do this all the time when they used to overthrow governments back in the 70s and 80s. 0.60
00:29:41.000 This was part of their playbook too. 0.71
00:29:43.000 And so here's one thing, though.
00:29:45.000 As we start to talk about this, I think we just need to ask questions and ask for verification.
00:29:50.000 For example, what would compel McInerney to say what he is saying at this phase in his life, one of the most reputable generals?
00:29:59.000 And he starts talking about hammer and scorecard and the manipulation of votes and all this stuff.
00:30:02.000 It's pretty chilling.
00:30:04.000 It really is.
00:30:05.000 And by the way, this rabbit hole can be endless that we can go down.
00:30:08.000 But I don't dismiss it.
00:30:10.000 And I don't think anyone should.
00:30:11.000 And what's so, let me just make a really interesting point here, which is that I grew up in an America, Eric.
00:30:17.000 I grew up in an America post 9-11 where all of my liberal friends and all of the Democrats and all the documentaries that I was forced to watch told me the CIA was the worst thing ever and they used to overthrow governments and they were being used by George W. Bush.
00:30:31.000 I say, is now the Democrat Party the pro-CIA party?
00:30:34.000 Because that's really fascinating to me.
00:30:36.000 I thought they were the ones that were always trying to tell us that they're the ones that are trying to usurp the will of the American people.
00:30:42.000 Well, but when you say you wouldn't dismiss it, you're not sounding clearly this is not something that you're taking all that seriously.
00:30:52.000 No, I just think that it's, I don't think we as civilians are ever going to be able to uncover that.
00:30:57.000 I just don't.
00:30:58.000 I think that finding whether or not Gina Haspel and Brennan and all them were using the Central Intelligence Agency domestically to overthrow a coup, that's something that is very compelling.
00:31:10.000 It might be true.
00:31:12.000 I think that there's other pieces of this puzzle that are much better, are much easier to be proven than that.
00:31:21.000 And that's something for Michael Flynn and McInerney to focus on.
00:31:24.000 And again, I don't dismiss it. 0.72
00:31:25.000 I'm not saying it's wacko.
00:31:26.000 But it sounds to me like Sidney Powell is also focused on this.
00:31:31.000 Yeah, and I would love to see exactly what her, you know, what some of that evidence is. 0.60
00:31:35.000 I read her 104-page lawsuit.
00:31:37.000 It's very compelling, but I think they're all going to hit walls here because if we think that the agency is all of a sudden going to have a smoking gun around that we can prove what they did, I think we're fooling ourselves.
00:31:48.000 I mean, we're dealing with the most sophisticated spy operation in the history of the planet.
00:31:53.000 And so.
00:31:54.000 Okay.
00:31:54.000 Well, that's the CIA.
00:31:57.000 Let's talk for a second then about the FBI and the DOJ.
00:32:02.000 What do you think is happening, for example, with the relative silence of Barr?
00:32:06.000 In other words, do you have any theories there?
00:32:08.000 Are he and the president working on something behind the scenes and they're just not talking about it?
00:32:13.000 It could be, probably not.
00:32:15.000 I think that there is a concerted effort, especially in the top brass of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, to go back to business as usual, to kind of have a changing of the guard and why there was no massive voter.
00:32:28.000 I mean, maybe there was going to be a huge, massive voter fraud revelation or investigation that comes out at some point.
00:32:33.000 Maybe that's going to happen.
00:32:35.000 I'm not necessarily optimistic about that.
00:32:37.000 I'm not.
00:32:38.000 And here's why.
00:32:39.000 I said that if John Durham does not come out with his report by August, then nothing will stop these people from stealing, lying, and doing it again.
00:32:49.000 Why have we not seen the Durham report?
00:32:51.000 We are now in December, Eric.
00:32:53.000 I have lost complete and total faith in the Department of Justice.
00:32:56.000 I view it nothing more than a political enforcement tool of the Democrat Party, and I could prove it.
00:33:04.000 But Attorney General Barr is the head of it.
00:33:07.000 How is he?
00:33:10.000 What do you mean you don't know?
00:33:11.000 What does she know?
00:33:13.000 I don't know what I can't explain Barr's action or inaction.
00:33:17.000 I cannot tell you why his Department of Justice authorized investigations and authorized, for example, why go out of your way?
00:33:28.000 And I know it's the Southern District and all that, but it's still under the DOJ purview to go after Steve Bannon while you won't go after Peter Strzzok and Lisa Page.
00:33:37.000 That I just cannot comprehend.
00:33:40.000 And so that stuff's happening under his Department of Justice.
00:33:45.000 Okay, let's go to something that's a little bit clearer.
00:33:50.000 Georgia, the governor of Georgia, the Secretary of State in Georgia seem potentially to have made a deal with whether it's SmartMatic or Dominion.
00:33:59.000 They seem to have somehow been in on this.
00:34:02.000 Is that resonating with you?
00:34:03.000 What do you think of that?
00:34:04.000 Potentially.
00:34:05.000 I mean, there's evidence to show that lobbyists around Brian Kemp have also been very much influenced by SmartMatic and Dominion voting systems.
00:34:15.000 I have a couple of questions for Rothensperger and for Brian Kemp.
00:34:18.000 Why did you use Dominion?
00:34:19.000 Why did you award them a nine-figure contract?
00:34:22.000 I would love to know the explanation for that.
00:34:24.000 Well, I mean, that smells. 0.68
00:34:26.000 That really stinks.
00:34:27.000 It's $150 million of taxpayer money.
00:34:32.000 You know, I don't know the answer, but it's kind of interesting to me that Sidney Powell and Lynn Wood are going after Kemp. 0.83
00:34:43.000 I mean, that, you know, they're not dumb people.
00:34:45.000 Why would they be going after Kemp? 0.87
00:34:47.000 Why would they be using this kind of language and talking about what happened in Georgia?
00:34:51.000 Well, because there's probably something to it.
00:34:53.000 And Brian Kemp and Rothensberger, they have basically surrendered to the Stacey Abrams lobby in Georgia.
00:35:02.000 And Rothensperger was afraid of being called a racist by Stacey Abrams again and relaxed signature requirements, relaxed absentee ballot standards, changed the way that we count votes.
00:35:13.000 For example, we have on this board here, Floyd County.
00:35:16.000 They just found 2,600 votes, 800-plus benefit for Trump.
00:35:20.000 This was a couple weeks ago.
00:35:21.000 You might remember this.
00:35:22.000 Fayette County, 450 plus for Trump.
00:35:25.000 Walton County, 176 for Trump.
00:35:28.000 The point is that the Georgia election was an absolute mess.
00:35:32.000 I would love to have an answer to this question from Rafensberger or Kemp.
00:35:37.000 Why did they stop counting votes because they said there was a pipe burst when in reality it was a urinal that overflowed?
00:35:43.000 I would love to know the answer to that question.
00:35:46.000 But again, this is one of these things that that's all you need to know.
00:35:49.000 Something wicked is happening when somebody lies brazenly.
00:35:54.000 It's a very brazen lie.
00:35:56.000 There's a reason they did it, and you know it's not a good reason.
00:35:59.000 You know that.
00:36:01.000 Just a minute left, Charlie.
00:36:04.000 What do you think is going to happen?
00:36:05.000 Do you think that this president will be inaugurated?
00:36:11.000 Impossible to know.
00:36:13.000 I think that the probability is not why I fight.
00:36:17.000 I fight because we're fighting for truth and I don't want to weigh the odds like we're a Vegas betting table.
00:36:24.000 What I will say is this.
00:36:25.000 And I was reading Proverbs last night.
00:36:28.000 This deceit that they have planned, it will not be honored by God.
00:36:32.000 It will fall.
00:36:32.000 It will collapse, whether now or in the future, we can rest assured that what they pulled off here will be one of the most egregious, one of the most egregious things in the history of our country to try and thwart the will of the American people.
00:36:48.000 And you have no doubt that that is what happened.
00:36:52.000 I have no doubt this was stolen.
00:36:54.000 None.
00:36:55.000 I've said it.
00:36:55.000 Well, that was what I'm saying.
00:36:57.000 Yeah.
00:36:57.000 I mean, it's when people like you say that, there are enough people like you that I respect tremendously are all saying that.
00:37:04.000 And so my attitude is similar to yours: it doesn't matter what the odds of victory are.
00:37:09.000 If we don't fight to the death for something like this, we have no soul.
00:37:14.000 I'll end on that happy note.
00:37:16.000 Charlie Kirk, great to be with you.
00:37:17.000 Thank you, Eric.
00:37:18.000 God bless you.
00:37:21.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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00:37:34.000 Speak to you soon.
00:37:35.000 Thanks so much.