The Charlie Kirk Show - The Final Fail-Safe of a Free People

00:00:00.000 Hello everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:02.000 What is the purpose of the Second Amendment?

00:00:03.000 It's very important that we clarify the need and the moral necessity for the Second Amendment.

00:00:12.000 We go through that in great detail and then we give the latest update from Uvalde.

00:00:17.000 We've received some positive, lots of positive emails and some negative emails about some of our recent comments, what happened to Uvalde.

00:00:24.000 Well, the recent reports further vindicate and strengthen our argument.

00:00:28.000 We go through it in a very reasonable way.

00:00:30.000 You could feel free to disagree, but when you hear this episode, I think you'll be moved and convinced that the actions or the inactions of the police officers in Uvalde, Texas were unacceptable.

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00:02:02.000 Our team is monitoring the press conference happening in Uvalde, Texas right now.

00:02:07.000 We will give you an update as it happens.

00:02:09.000 Sometimes these press conferences go on and on and on.

00:02:11.000 And with our precious time together, we want to make sure we are as efficient as possible.

00:02:15.000 If there's something that becomes breaking of nature, we'll cut right to it as we continue to learn what happened after Uvalde, Texas.

00:02:23.000 We received a lot of emails yesterday, generally positive, some negative emails, and we take that and we understand that.

00:02:30.000 A lot of people, some people were saying that we were wrong to criticize the police officers yesterday for the one-hour gap.

00:02:37.000 And some of the reasoning was that we were accused of rushing to judgment.

00:02:42.000 We were not doing that.

00:02:43.000 We said, based on the evidence available, which is the one-hour gap, what is the explanation for this?

00:02:48.000 Is it cowardice or is it something else?

00:02:53.000 Was there a stand down order that was issued?

00:02:56.000 Also, you want to think one of the arguments is, well, Charlie, all the shooting stopped.

00:03:01.000 Well, could you see a situation where maybe kids were bleeding out and they weren't totally dead yet?

00:03:07.000 And medical attention could have been offered to save some of their lives. 0.93

00:03:10.000 And so that argument is really silly on face value.

00:03:14.000 And so we're going to keep on monitoring that.

00:03:16.000 We love police officers.

00:03:17.000 Police officers keep us safe.

00:03:19.000 We're a pro-police show, and we'll always will be.

00:03:21.000 But also, when we see a situation that is not handled correctly and lives are at stake, we're going to speak out.

00:03:27.000 We're going to ask the proper and correct questions.

00:03:31.000 And so some people are accusing the local police of lying.

00:03:34.000 I'm not going to say that.

00:03:36.000 What I do know is that, and what you know as well, because it's publicly available, is that there was an inexcusable one-hour gap between the first engagement with a police officer and when a tactical team went in.

00:03:49.000 Now, some people are saying it's because of equipment or other reasons.

00:03:53.000 I suppose as time progresses, we'll find out.

00:03:56.000 But for the record, we are very, very pro-police.

00:03:59.000 Police are phenomenal.

00:04:00.000 First responders are heroes.

00:04:02.000 But when they fail to act, that is when criticism is needed and is necessary.

00:04:10.000 So, the debate around the Second Amendment is going to be raging in the next couple of days and months.

00:04:16.000 The National Rifle Association is meeting right now in Houston, Texas.

00:04:22.000 Governor Greg Abbott has canceled his appearance to the NRA, saying he's going to go to Uvalde and speak there.

00:04:28.000 I have a conflicting, I have some conflicting thoughts on that, because in some ways I get it.

00:04:33.000 He's got to be governor of the state.

00:04:34.000 In other ways, I just don't like surrendering to the mob and acting as if their rank corps and their protests are something worth validating.

00:04:43.000 It almost makes them more powerful and gives them more strength to do that.

00:04:50.000 Senator Ted Cruz is speaking there.

00:04:52.000 President Donald Trump is speaking at the National Rifle Association.

00:04:55.000 And there will be arguments made at this gathering in Houston all around the Second Amendment.

00:05:01.000 Now, the easy argument to make when it comes to the Second Amendment is that you need guns to be able to protect yourself against criminals.

00:05:08.000 That's a good argument for the Second Amendment, but that's not the best one.

00:05:12.000 And that one is going to be weak on face value because eventually they'll be able to say, well, then all you need is a handgun.

00:05:20.000 All you need is a couple rounds to protect yourself.

00:05:23.000 Now, being able to protect oneself is a moral right.

00:05:29.000 Self-defense is a moral right, but that is not the purpose of the Second Amendment.

00:05:33.000 It was never the purpose of the Second Amendment.

00:05:35.000 Now, what I'm about to say here is considered to be very provocative and controversial by the mainstream activist media, but it's true.

00:05:43.000 We must be very clear about the reason the founding fathers believed an armed citizenry was necessary for a free people.

00:05:50.000 It was not to be able to hunt deer and to be able to feed your family.

00:05:54.000 It wasn't to be able to protect against intruders.

00:05:57.000 It wasn't for marksmanship.

00:05:58.000 No, it was about something very clear.

00:06:01.000 Now, Republicans generally don't like making this argument.

00:06:04.000 They don't like making this argument because it sounds a little bit radical, or they get accused of all these things from the media.

00:06:12.000 But if you don't make this argument, then we are always going to be on defense.

00:06:18.000 If you don't make this argument, then eventually the guns will be confiscated, and eventually the gun grabbers will win the legislative fights.

00:06:27.000 This argument is the necessary argument to be able to say that more sophisticated weaponry, weapons of war, need to be owned by citizens.

00:06:36.000 And we must be clear about it, and we must be willing to have an informed and hopefully reasonable conversation with detractors on why the founding fathers put the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights, which, by the way, was inspired by the Virginia Declaration of Rights, passed and written by the great George Mason, and that was eventually adopted in 1791 through a ratification of states.

00:06:59.000 The Constitution was written and ratified, and then the Bill of Rights was written and ratified.

00:07:05.000 So, what is the purpose of the Second Amendment?

00:07:08.000 The purpose of the Second Amendment is to give citizens an equilibrium with their government.

00:07:16.000 The purpose of the Second Amendment is for an armed people, which is a free people, under the hopefully never to see in our lifetime situation that we're able to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government.

00:07:30.000 Now, the media calls us conspiracy theorists and calls us all sorts of names when we say this.

00:07:37.000 Do you need any more evidence than what you saw the last couple years with COVID of how important it is that people are able to defend themselves against a potentially tyrannical government?

00:07:50.000 COVID lockdowns would have been far worse if it wasn't for the Second Amendment. 0.74

00:07:56.000 We would have been closer to New Zealand or Australia because if only one side has the guns, they get to call all the shots.

00:08:03.000 James Madison, we have a picture of James Madison here in our studio, the father of the United States Constitution, said, quote, always remember that an armed and trained militia is the firmest bulwark of republics, that without standing armies, their liberty can never be in danger, nor with large ones, safe.

00:08:23.000 Now, what is a militia?

00:08:25.000 You see, militia gets misrepresented by the media as saying, oh, that's a trained force and only people in the military.

00:08:32.000 Nope, George Mason, who inspired the Second Amendment, said, I ask, sir, what is the militia?

00:08:37.000 Quote, it is the whole people.

00:08:39.000 To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them. 0.99

00:08:46.000 The founding fathers were clear that if you disarm a people, you enslave them.

00:08:55.000 The purpose of the Second Amendment is to be able to protect all the other amendments.

00:09:01.000 The purpose of the Second Amendment protects your right to privacy, the Fourth Amendment, protects your right against self-incrimination, the Fifth Amendment, protects your right to due process, 6th, 7th, 8th Amendment, protects your right to speech and to assembly.

00:09:16.000 A free people must have leverage against tyrants.

00:09:22.000 One of the reasons why America has a tradition of the many ruling the few, not the few ruling the many, is because we've been armed.

00:09:34.000 And for some people, they just don't like hearing this.

00:09:37.000 It's an uncomfortable truth.

00:09:39.000 Well, it's what it is.

00:09:42.000 Human history shows us that governments will always use their force and their power to oppress the people.

00:09:48.000 The side with the guns and the side with the power will be able to inflict tyranny on the people.

00:09:56.000 But if there is some form of an equilibrium, then government knows there's a line they should not cross.

00:10:03.000 The Second Amendment is the insurance policy.

00:10:06.000 It's the safeguard.

00:10:07.000 It is the bulwark against an authoritarian government to lock us down, to force vaccines on you, to force masks on you, to make you live a certain way.

00:10:20.000 A Second Amendment protects your values against a potential authoritarian regime.

00:10:27.000 A free people must have leverage.

00:10:30.000 It is an ultimate check.

00:10:31.000 It is the final fail-safe.

00:10:34.000 Now, mind you, I don't like talking about the potential fail-safe of us having to go to protect ourselves against the government, but let's not fool ourselves.

00:10:42.000 If the 20th century taught us anything, it's that graveyards multiply when people are disarmed.

00:10:53.000 In order to ensure liberty, you must have an armed citizenry.

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00:12:01.000 Second Amendment protects all the other amendments.

00:12:04.000 Now, if we are not clear about why that is the intent of the Second Amendment, then it becomes nothing more than just a self-defense argument.

00:12:14.000 And then they'll say, well, then why do you need an AR-15 just to protect yourself?

00:12:17.000 Now, there is a good argument for that if you know about the LA riots and the kind of legendary Korean storekeepers that went on their roof and protected themselves using AR-15s against the rioters.

00:12:30.000 There is a good reason for self-defense.

00:12:33.000 But that's not the intent of it, and it will make us profoundly less free as a country if we're not clear about why we have the Second Amendment.

00:12:44.000 So, right now, about 26 million people in Shanghai, China are locked down.

00:12:50.000 They cannot leave their apartment buildings.

00:12:53.000 What would Shanghai look like right now if they had a Second Amendment in China?

00:13:00.000 What would Hong Kong have looked like a couple years ago when China just annexed Hong Kong if every one of the Hong Kong freedom protesters had an AR-15 slung around their back?

00:13:11.000 Now, that doesn't mean they had to use it, but as soon as the people have weapons, it becomes a negotiation and it no longer is a hostage situation.

00:13:21.000 If you do not have a Second Amendment, the government can take you hostage at any time.

00:13:25.000 If only one side has the guns, then one side gets to determine whether or not you are free.

00:13:33.000 Now, if you trust the government, then this argument will not resonate with you.

00:13:38.000 But if you've lived through the last couple years, I don't think I have to give you a very long argument on why you shouldn't trust the federal government.

00:13:48.000 With all the problems facing us as a nation, one of the few reasons we even have the freedom that we have right now is because the government has some fear that if they go too far, an armed people could react.

00:14:05.000 And believe it or not, that actually keeps us away from conflict.

00:14:09.000 It's actually an argument for peace.

00:14:11.000 It's actually when both sides believe something bad could happen.

00:14:15.000 It's actually the argument for widespread nuclear proliferation, by the way, is that what keeps us away from nuclear war is both sides having nuclear weapons.

00:14:25.000 It's actually a deterrent.

00:14:27.000 Now, I want to be very clear.

00:14:29.000 You do not have to love guns or be enthusiastic about guns or even own guns to appreciate or respect the philosophical and moral argument that I'm making for the Second Amendment.

00:14:41.000 I have some dear friends in the suburbs of Chicago, and they're not really big gun people.

00:14:47.000 They've never really owned guns.

00:14:49.000 They might kind of get a little freaked out around them, but they wholeheartedly agree as to why we have a Second Amendment.

00:14:56.000 In fact, they're thankful as to why we have a Second Amendment because they believe they live freer lives thanks to other people that own guns.

00:15:04.000 And I think that's a very good way of looking at it.

00:15:07.000 I'm not here to tell you that you should own guns, but I encourage you to do so.

00:15:13.000 I'm not here to say that you should have to love everything about gun culture. 0.90

00:15:17.000 I happen to love firearms and I love shooting them.

00:15:21.000 But what I'm asking instead is to appreciate how fragile freedom and liberty is and to understand that without the Second Amendment, your love of liberty and freedom and what you treasure and what you value could vanish.

00:15:38.000 What we know from a study of human history, what we know from our own life experience just the last couple years, is that liberty is constantly under attack from tyrants.

00:15:48.000 And a responsible ownership of guns is a check on autocrats. 0.98

00:15:53.000 One of the moral arguments of the United States Constitution is check and balances.

00:16:01.000 That not one person, one organization, one institution should be able to have too much power over the other.

00:16:09.000 That sort of attention on a check and balance is a safeguard and a fail-safe for liberty.

00:16:17.000 In case all other falls apart, well, guess what?

00:16:20.000 The ultimate check and balance for society is the people to have a little bit of leverage.

00:16:27.000 Now, believe it or not, Elon Musk has said this.

00:16:30.000 He came out last evening and said, I want to make sure I get his wording right here, but he said something along the lines of the Second Amendment is a necessary firewall against potential tyranny.

00:16:44.000 And Elon was right.

00:16:46.000 And Elon recognizes and understands that if you confiscate the weapons and only one side has the power, then there is no stopping what they could do.

00:16:57.000 Elon breaks his silence and says, quote, the right to bear arms is an important safeguard against potential tyranny of government.

00:17:06.000 Elon is right.

00:17:07.000 You do not have to love guns.

00:17:09.000 You might be a little freaked out around them.

00:17:11.000 That's okay.

00:17:12.000 Instead, the only ask I have out of you is to understand the philosophical and the moral necessity for a people to be able to be armed against a tyrannical government.

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00:19:21.000 We got some nasty emails yesterday directed at me saying that you can't criticize police officers.

00:19:28.000 I love police officers.

00:19:29.000 I want to be very clear. 0.96

00:19:30.000 There's some scumbags like Sean King that are going after the police. 0.93

00:19:34.000 And I don't want to give oxygen to the anti-police crowd unnecessarily, but I'm also going to be very clear and fair when there's a situation that any reasonable person believes is mishandled. 0.91

00:19:47.000 And this whole thing kind of comes on an argument from authority where people say, Charlie, you have no right to do that because you've never been in a situation like that.

00:19:54.000 You're right, I've never been in a situation like that.

00:19:56.000 But there is an opportunity where you have a little bit of prudence and practical judgment and common sense where you're going to comment on something where you say, What on earth was happening here?

00:20:07.000 So, guess what?

00:20:08.000 The additional information from yesterday, where we did some rather, I would say, let's say we had some opinions yesterday.

00:20:18.000 Everything we have said yesterday has only now been further clarified and strengthened.

00:20:23.000 So, the Uvalde police have done a police press conference, and they have said this: quote, they made a decision not to break into the classroom because officers on site believed there was no longer an active shooting situation, even though children were calling 911 at the time, pleading for officers to come and save them.

00:20:42.000 Here's what we know: there was no attempt to breach the doors to the classroom.

00:20:47.000 Kids in the classroom called 911 over and over again and were ignored.

00:20:52.000 Police are claiming they didn't know kids were alive in the room, even though kids were pleading to be saved, and they waited.

00:20:58.000 So, here's the new timeline.

00:21:01.000 And the timeline is actually reinforces what we said yesterday, but we'll repeat it.

00:21:07.000 The first call was at 12:03 from room 112 in the school.

00:21:11.000 At 12:10, she called back and advised multiple are dead.

00:21:15.000 At 12:13, 12:15, 8 to 10 students are still alive.

00:21:20.000 12:19, students were told to leave the school.

00:21:24.000 At 12:21, three shots were fired by the police, lasted 21 seconds.

00:21:29.000 And then there is a 25-minute gap where they call the police again, repeatedly, asking the police to come now.

00:21:36.000 And then by 12:51, very loud sounds like officers removing students out.

00:21:42.000 And then it's a little bit unclear what happened there.

00:21:44.000 What we do know now, and it's been verified through multiple sources, is that the Border Patrol agents who ended up neutralizing the shooter arrived earlier than was disclosed, but the Uvalde police initially kept them from entering the school, two officials said.

00:22:01.000 So the Uvalde police kept back the Border Patrol.

00:22:05.000 Agents from Border Patrol and Immigration Customs Enforcement arrived between 12 and 12.10 while there were still many children alive, far earlier than previously known.

00:22:17.000 But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms until an hour later, where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m.

00:22:26.000 So there was a 50 to 55 minute gap where the Border Patrol arrived and then they finally acted.

00:22:34.000 There is more and more information coming out, and I hate to say this for those of you that sent me some of those nasty emails.

00:22:40.000 And thank you for listening, and I appreciate your feedback.

00:22:43.000 And it's an emotional time.

00:22:44.000 I get it.

00:22:44.000 I'm not angry at you, even though you're pretty angry at me.

00:22:48.000 I hate to say it, but this is making the police look worse than yesterday.

00:22:53.000 They looked bad yesterday, but the more information we learn, and the police have now admitted failure.

00:22:59.000 In their press conference, the police have come out and they've said, and I'm paraphrasing, we can get the exact clip, this was mishandled.

00:23:06.000 This was a chaotic situation.

00:23:08.000 If I was there, I would have had it.

00:23:09.000 I would have handled it differently.

00:23:11.000 And I'm paraphrasing it.

00:23:13.000 But what we do now know, admitted by the police, is that a decision was made not to break into the classroom because the officers believed wrongly that there's no longer an active shooting situation.

00:23:26.000 And I just want to, the great Judge Denine on Fox News made this point.

00:23:30.000 I just want to reinforce this.

00:23:32.000 It doesn't matter if you think there's an active shooter situation.

00:23:35.000 You might say, of course it matters, Charlie.

00:23:38.000 What if there was a kid that was still alive that could have been saved through immediate medical attention?

00:23:41.000 You assume they're all dead?

00:23:44.000 Cut 117, Colonel Stephen McCraw says, with the benefit of hindsight, of course, it was not the right decision.

00:23:51.000 It was the wrong decision.

00:23:53.000 They are admitting failure, and the commentary we provided through Gut Instinct and Reaction yesterday was correct.

00:24:00.000 And I do want to say, good for you, Colonel Stephen McCraw.

00:24:04.000 You're doing one of the few courageous things I've seen in this, which is accepting responsibility, admitting failure.

00:24:11.000 This is a tough job.

00:24:13.000 And I think he deserves credit for this.

00:24:15.000 Now, that's not going to be comforting for people, but it is the correct way to handle this.

00:24:21.000 Instead of lying about it and covering it up and filibustering, which we're so used to, I do want to say it's good for this colonel, and I want to acknowledge him for admitting fault here.

00:24:34.000 It's a very difficult thing to do.

00:24:35.000 He was not on the scene, by the way, but he is being a leader.

00:24:38.000 Play cut 117.

00:24:40.000 Hey, for the benefit of hindsight, where I'm sitting now, of course it was not the right decision.

00:24:46.000 It was the wrong decision, period.

00:24:47.000 There's no excuse for that.

00:24:50.000 But again, I wasn't there, but I'm just telling you, from what we know, we believe there should have been an entry as soon as you can.

00:24:57.000 All right.

00:24:58.000 Well, he confirms exactly what many others said.

00:25:02.000 And instead, they were too busy arresting parents.

00:25:05.000 So many parents were arrested at the time, handcuffed, they were in charge and tased because they wanted to go save their kid's life.

00:25:12.000 Who knows that they would have been able to save their kid's life?

00:25:14.000 But yeah, this colonel's admitting that there should have been an entry.

00:25:18.000 And the police stood and did nothing.

00:25:22.000 I wonder what happened to the country I grew up in.

00:25:25.000 The country I grew up in, firefighters ran into the two towers on 9-11.

00:25:33.000 They ran into the fire.

00:25:36.000 Police officers did too, by the way.

00:25:38.000 I don't know what happened to that country.

00:25:42.000 I want to tell you about Patriot Mobile as we get more sound from this press conference.

00:25:50.000 And Doug has sent a very good question here.

00:25:54.000 Charlie, I find it curious that an 18-year-old living with his grandmother could have afforded two $2,000 rifles with optics and ammunition and over a thousand rounds.

00:26:03.000 I think that's a very smart point, Doug.

00:26:05.000 I don't get it, and we need an explanation.

00:26:08.000 Unfortunately, this press conference makes it official.

00:26:11.000 The great sagar in Jetty says, he's a good man.

00:26:15.000 Uvalde police held up Border Patrol from taking down Ramos while he continued to kill kids despite 911 calls from kids to hell them, to help them.

00:26:23.000 A colossal failure that is only now being acknowledged by the Texas Department of Press Services.

00:26:28.000 This press conference in Uvalde now confirms the police prevented Border Patrol from going in and saving children's lives.

00:26:38.000 Someone just said, Charlie, I believed you passed judgment on cops too quickly before getting all the information.

00:26:45.000 But today you're sharing information on shooting in a calm and professional manner.

00:26:48.000 This additional info seems to support you, but you're expressing it in a more calm manner today.

00:26:52.000 I appreciate that, Kurt.

00:26:53.000 I was emotional yesterday.

00:26:53.000 You're right.

00:26:55.000 And I think I'll defend my emotionality.

00:26:57.000 I don't get emotional very, very often, but when 19 kids get slaughtered and a couple teachers, I do get a little heated.

00:27:04.000 But thank you, Kurt, for your kind email.

00:27:06.000 I appreciate that.

00:27:07.000 Do we have this clip?

00:27:08.000 We have 118.

00:27:09.000 Is that right?

00:27:10.000 Let's play cut 118.

00:27:11.000 They've admitted that the police prevented the Border Patrol from going in and saving lives.

00:27:18.000 I will reinforce what I said yesterday.

00:27:20.000 I'll say it in a more calm way.

00:27:25.000 The police bought the shooter time.

00:27:29.000 19 officers versus one, and they decided not to go.

00:27:32.000 19 officers stood in wait, stood and waited and watched.

00:27:36.000 19 officers did nothing.

00:27:37.000 19 officers made a decision that inaction was the right move.

00:27:44.000 And 19 kids died.

00:27:45.000 Play cut 118, please.

00:27:48.000 You say there were 19 officers gathered in the hallway or somewhere.

00:27:52.000 What efforts were made to try and break through that door?

00:27:56.000 You say it was locked.

00:27:57.000 What efforts were the officers making to try and break through either that door or another door to get inside that classroom?

00:28:05.000 None at that time.

00:28:08.000 The on-scene commander at the time believed that it had transitioned from an active shooter to a barricaded subject.

00:28:17.000 The on-scene commander believed it had transitioned from a active shooter to a barricaded situation while kids were still calling 911 pleading for help.

00:28:28.000 So do you know what that tells us?

00:28:30.000 It tells us that this shooter was being methodical, that this shooter was taking his time.

00:28:37.000 That this shooter wasn't acting quickly.

00:28:41.000 Nope.

00:28:42.000 But it tells us this shooter was going person by person by person.

00:28:47.000 While according to now reports, 19 police officers stood outside the hall, and an on-scene commander didn't want to go in and save people's lives.

00:29:02.000 And you think, even if the shooting has stopped, what about the wounded people that could be saved that were bleeding out to death?

00:29:11.000 What kind of a judgment call is that?

00:29:14.000 And some people say, oh, well, they don't have the training and all that.

00:29:20.000 Sure, fine.

00:29:23.000 But does courage require training?

00:29:28.000 The country I grew up in was the Flight 93 country.

00:29:31.000 The country I grew up in were the heroes of the firefighters that went into the fighter.

00:29:36.000 Flight 93, there was no training to storm the cockpit in Flight 93.

00:29:39.000 Yeah, they all died, but we remember them every 9-11.

00:29:43.000 And the last words that we heard from the cockpit before they stormed the cockpit for the al-Qaeda terrorists that tried to kill people in D.C., they said, let's roll.

00:29:52.000 And yeah, they all went to their death.

00:29:56.000 I was raised in a country where people said, I would rather die as a hero than live as a coward.

00:30:03.000 That's the country I was raised in.

00:30:07.000 So now we know children called 911 at 12.15 and confirmed students alive.

00:30:12.000 The Bortak team, the Border Patrol team, was there at 12 or 1210.

00:30:17.000 And a teacher called saying that there are students still alive.

00:30:20.000 And so there were 19 police officers in a hallway that, according to now, the admission of the investigation, Texas Department of Public School, DPS, I'm not public school, public safety, I'm sorry.

00:30:35.000 They made a decision not to go in.

00:30:38.000 There was no attempt at all whatsoever.

00:30:41.000 And so the question was asked: what efforts were the officers making to try and break through either that door or another door to get inside the classroom?

00:30:49.000 None at that time is what the answer is.

00:30:53.000 So I hate to be this blunt and I hate to be this kind of candid, but they stood and watched and listened.

00:31:04.000 Gregory emailed me.

00:31:06.000 Interesting how people say do not need to be emotional about this event.

00:31:10.000 However, when Democrats are the nutcases, stormtroopers write and threaten that, it's okay.

00:31:14.000 When a conservative expresses genuine anger over child's lives that could have been saved, it is not correct.

00:31:19.000 Seriously, something is wrong with these seemingly rational emails you received.

00:31:24.000 I got a lot of negative emails last night.

00:31:25.000 A lot of people say they won't listen to me anymore.

00:31:27.000 Well, Greg says you do not need any vindication for your delivery on the show yesterday whatsoever.

00:31:31.000 All the best, Greg.

00:31:32.000 Thank you for listening.

00:31:33.000 I appreciate that.

00:31:35.000 Someone did make a nice note here, Bill.

00:31:36.000 He said, Charlie, when you're advocating for gun ownership, please, please, please encourage to get proper training.

00:31:41.000 You're exactly right.

00:31:42.000 You should.

00:31:42.000 Owning a firearm is no joke.

00:31:44.000 You should treat every gun like it's loaded and do not joke around.

00:31:47.000 Do not do that when you're impaired under any substance or even low on sleep.

00:31:53.000 It's a commitment and buying a gun makes you, I believe it has to have a higher standard of responsibility.

00:32:00.000 Bill, thank you for that email.

00:32:01.000 That's so smart.

00:32:02.000 I really appreciate that.

00:32:04.000 That's exactly right.

00:32:06.000 Look, our show is based on facts, and I rarely get emotional.

00:32:09.000 I try to stay very reasonable and rational.

00:32:11.000 I got fired up yesterday.

00:32:12.000 I'm not going to apologize for that.

00:32:14.000 It just so happens that now the new information further reinforces it.

00:32:18.000 And the Texas Department of Safety, in their investigation, has admitted the following, that there was no breach attempts made, that there was a 30 to 40 minute gap, that Border Patrol was told to stand down, that parents were arrested and tased, that kids were calling, begging, and pleading for police to intervene, and they didn't.

00:32:37.000 That there was knowledge that children were alive inside.

00:32:40.000 So this idea that, oh, everyone was dead, even though that's silly because people could be bleeding out, so on and so forth, or there could be kids literally playing dead because there were kids playing dead, believe it or not.

00:32:52.000 That's a really, really, really weak argument, is that there's now an inexplicable and irreversible.

00:32:59.000 So an hour and 16 minutes, just so we know, this is the new timeline.

00:33:03.000 76 minutes from the moment the police first entered the school and when they finally killed the shooter.

00:33:09.000 It is worse than what we said yesterday.

00:33:14.000 We said 40 minutes yesterday, 76 minutes from when the police first entered the school to when they finally killed the shooter.

00:33:23.000 What do you think was going on in their heads, 19 police officers standing there?

00:33:28.000 What were they thinking?

00:33:29.000 Now, I know a lot of you are going to say, Charlie, you'd have been in a situation like that.

00:33:32.000 You would have been paralyzed.

00:33:33.000 You're right.

00:33:34.000 I might have been. 0.90

00:33:34.000 I might have been a coward. 0.90

00:33:36.000 I totally admit it.

00:33:37.000 I don't know.

00:33:37.000 I'm not saying I would have acted correctly, and you don't know if you would either.

00:33:40.000 What I'm saying, though, is that if your job is a police officer, it's your job to go into the unknown, to go against evil.

00:33:49.000 I get seven minutes, maybe 15, but 76 minutes?

00:33:55.000 You're trying to tell me that after 50 minutes, someone doesn't say, there's kids in there.

00:34:01.000 Let's roll.

00:34:03.000 Those are the heroes that stormed Normandy Beach.

00:34:06.000 They said, let's roll.

00:34:08.000 Those are the people that went into the burning towers.

00:34:10.000 They said, let's roll.

00:34:11.000 Those are the people in Flight 93.

00:34:13.000 What causes that paralysis?

00:34:16.000 Selfishness, maybe.

00:34:19.000 Fear of being sued?

00:34:20.000 Maybe.

00:34:21.000 Warren Police definitely played a role.

00:34:22.000 I think that's probably right.

00:34:25.000 Overly bureaucratic management?

00:34:27.000 Yep, I think that's right.

00:34:30.000 Evil moves quick, but in this case, it actually moves slow.

00:34:36.000 It was methodical, child by child.

00:34:40.000 And for 76 minutes, police did not make a breach attempt.

00:34:44.000 They did not try to stop the shooter.

00:34:45.000 According to the own admission now, they waited and they did nothing.

00:34:50.000 In fact, even worse than doing nothing, they arrested parents and they told Border Patrol not to intervene.

00:34:56.000 And 19 kids and two teachers are dead because of it.

00:34:59.000 There's something that we must talk about that plays into all this, which is the lockdowns.

00:35:04.000 The lockdowns, look, there was bad school shootings before the lockdowns, of course.

00:35:07.000 But I'm just warning you that what we have done to our nation's young people has created a pressure cooker.

00:35:13.000 We have created a pressure cooker and social isolation.

00:35:16.000 There is spiritual damage that will be irreversible.

00:35:19.000 And for what?

00:35:20.000 Lockdowns will go down as one of the great mistakes in the history of Western civilization.

00:35:26.000 And you must understand that for most young men in America, they're completely miserable.

00:35:30.000 I know that. 0.96

00:35:32.000 They email me.

00:35:32.000 They tell me that their life has no meaning, no purpose.

00:35:35.000 They don't even know what life is.

00:35:36.000 It's the most suicidal generation, the most alcohol-addicted generation, the most drug-addicted generation.

00:35:41.000 And it's unfortunately manifested itself in these unbelievably tragic school shootings in the last two weeks.

00:35:48.000 It's one school shooting and I suppose one a supermarket shooting.

00:35:51.000 And I'm not afraid.

00:35:52.000 I'm not, I'm not, not afraid.

00:35:55.000 I'm very afraid, I should say, that it's going to get worse.

00:35:59.000 We are just seeing the beginning stages of this.

00:36:01.000 And look, you have an entire generation addicted to pornography.

00:36:05.000 You have a generation that doesn't interact with other people, especially girls, because of the hyper-feminization of our country.

00:36:13.000 I believe the hyper-feminization of America leads to some of these things.

00:36:16.000 I'm not saying it leads to school shootings directly, but it leads to social isolation.

00:36:21.000 It leads to antisocial behaviors, and it leads to men not being able to develop properly.

00:36:26.000 And look, I think we need to have a very serious investigation into the over-medication of our children.

00:36:32.000 I think we need to look into whether or not benzodiazepans and antidepressants and Prozac are actually doing what they should be doing.

00:36:40.000 Are they making people more violent and actually more depressed?

00:36:42.000 I'm just asking because there's a lot of conflicting data when it comes to the prescription of antidepressants.

00:36:47.000 I know some people that they say it helps them, okay, but I could tell it causes a lot of damage to people.

00:36:56.000 And I wouldn't have said this a couple years ago, but I could tell you that after the lying from the pharmaceutical companies of the last couple of years, I certainly don't trust them.

00:37:08.000 I know you don't either.

00:37:11.000 And are the pharmaceuticals industry helping or not?

00:37:15.000 Is the over-medication a good thing?

00:37:16.000 Is the fact that we have more 10, 11, and 12-year-olds on antidepressants and anxiety medication good?

00:37:22.000 I think it's terrible.

00:37:24.000 I think it's creating a lot of damaging effects that we can't even manage and we can't track in a very, very serious manner.

00:37:34.000 We have created a set of environmental and cultural influences that put such incredible pressure in a negative way, not good pressure, because there's a lot of good pressure on young men.

00:37:49.000 Young men are increasingly isolated.

00:37:51.000 They're estranged.

00:37:53.000 The Me Too movement has had something to do with this.

00:37:55.000 Just staring at screens all day long has had some has had a lot to do with this.

00:37:59.000 I know parents right now are just looking for help.

00:38:02.000 And one of the takeaways is that if you feel as if your child is engaging in this type of antisocial behavior, you need to engage very, very quickly.

00:38:11.000 You need to intervene.

00:38:12.000 You need to change environments.

00:38:15.000 Hopefully get involved in some sort of faith community.

00:38:18.000 Socialization is a very, very important thing, being around other people their age, pushing of boundaries, challenging of limits.

00:38:25.000 And you look at what's happening, not just with these specific incidences that pop off the charts, but you look at the broader pharmaceutical industrial complex that is pushing these medications on children.

00:38:35.000 Parents, be very careful, please, medicating your children.

00:38:39.000 Be very careful giving them antidepressants.

00:38:42.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:44.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:38:46.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:38:47.000 God bless.

00:38:51.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 27, 2022

The Final Fail-Safe of a Free People

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