The Charlie Kirk Show - The Final Fulton County Ruling

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00:01:30.000 There is breaking news out of Georgia.

00:01:32.000 We want to dive right into it with special guest Brett Tolman, Executive Director of Right on Crime and former U.S. District Attorney.

00:01:40.000 Brett, thank you for joining us on this Breaking News Day.

00:01:43.000 Help us unpack the details and your reaction to Judge McAfee's ruling.

00:01:48.000 Charlie, thanks for having me on.

00:01:50.000 It's very important ruling.

00:01:52.000 It is important because it reminds us that not all judges are legal savants.

00:01:59.000 What you have in this instance is pretty shocking for those of us who've been in front of these kinds of judges before with these kinds of issues that have been paraded out.

00:02:08.000 You have a district attorney who the judge finds has the appearance of a conflict.

00:02:14.000 And that's significant because it doesn't matter if it's an actual conflict or it's an appearance of conflict.

00:02:21.000 The law treats them the same.

00:02:23.000 So he makes that finding along with indicating that he believes that they may have compromised themselves on the stand, meaning they may have perjured themselves or lied.

00:02:32.000 He also acknowledges that there may have been amounts of money that inappropriately went to Fannie Willis.

00:02:40.000 So all of that should lead any sound legal mind to the conclusion that the one that should be ruled against is the one that has that high office and that authority, the county attorney.

00:02:55.000 But instead, what he does is he indicates that she could stay on the case, but she would have to remove Nate Wade, her lover boyfriend, who's also prosecuting the case.

00:03:05.000 It's shocking to see Charlie, the wrangling and the wringing of hands that a judge is doing when it's staring him in the face.

00:03:14.000 You know, not only unethical behavior, but now it appears even criminal behavior that he acknowledges.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, I just, it kind of leaves me speechless.

00:03:24.000 And there's, I have just so many questions.

00:03:25.000 Obviously they lied.

00:03:26.000 It's not an appearance.

00:03:27.000 They lied under oath.

00:03:28.000 So I guess lying under oath is cool if you're a prosecutor now.

00:03:31.000 Is that the message that this judge is sending to the rest of the country?

00:03:34.000 Well, the one thing, you know, you're right, Charlie, but the one thing that really stands out is how bad prosecutors who are compromised are when they're on the stand.

00:03:45.000 She yelled. 0.99

00:03:46.000 She was belligerent.

00:03:47.000 She tried to take back control because they're not used to someone questioning their authority. 0.80

00:03:52.000 And in the end, she thought so highly of herself and the power that she's wielded that she's willing to lie on the stand.

00:03:59.000 And that needs to be investigated.

00:04:00.000 I hope that the attorney general takes that ruling and uses it as the basis to open an investigation against her.

00:04:07.000 So, what is the process now?

00:04:09.000 Does this open it up for appeals, for challenges?

00:04:12.000 I mean, at the very least, no one and no decent person in Georgia or across the country is going to take what this court does seriously.

00:04:19.000 I mean, after this just multiple weeks of Fannie Willis and on the stand and Nathan Wade, I mean, the judge said this: reasonable questions about whether the DA and her hand-selected lead special assistant D8 testified untruthfully.

00:04:33.000 Hold on, reasonable questions?

00:04:34.000 The judge could find the truth of that, though, couldn't he?

00:04:36.000 Couldn't the judge demand that they come back in and like, say, hey, let's get this sorted out.

00:04:41.000 Reasonable questions?

00:04:42.000 Why doesn't he figure it out?

00:04:43.000 Well, he did actually.

00:04:44.000 He has enough evidence to conclude that they did lie.

00:04:48.000 It was presented in court.

00:04:49.000 He allowed the defense team to go into it and to expose that they lied at the very least about when the affair started, which was an important factor because it showed that they were compromised before they launched the case against Donald Trump.

00:05:07.000 So you're absolutely right.

00:05:09.000 It's already been concluded.

00:05:11.000 And when he says, you know, questionable, you know, perhaps he's being nice because he's a former donor to her campaign and worked in that office.

00:05:20.000 But the reality is that should be a beacon call for the Attorney General and the State Bar of Georgia to investigate both individuals for perjury.

00:05:31.000 And so just, can you just riff on this for a second?

00:05:31.000 Yeah.

00:05:34.000 Because some of our audience might not understand.

00:05:36.000 Just even the appearance of impropriety should be enough for dismissal.

00:05:42.000 And we have that.

00:05:43.000 He even acknowledged it in his document.

00:05:45.000 And we know that it's more than the appearance.

00:05:47.000 It's the actual factual pattern and reality that they lied under oath and that they weren't being truthful.

00:05:54.000 And that, by the way, this judge is now effectively normalizing.

00:05:59.000 Oh, yeah, I got repaid in cash.

00:06:01.000 I mean, you're just, it is so, it's just so sloppy.

00:06:05.000 It is so obviously untruthful.

00:06:08.000 So what sort of precedent does this set?

00:06:10.000 I mean, I personally believe the American justice system is no longer what it once was.

00:06:15.000 It's the Western legal tradition is now a mockery.

00:06:18.000 And then one of the most high-profile cases in the history of the country, let's be clear.

00:06:18.000 It's a joke.

00:06:22.000 This is one of the highest profile criminal cases in the history of the United States of America.

00:06:27.000 This judge says it's okay to lie.

00:06:29.000 It's okay to, you know, say you were repaid cash.

00:06:31.000 It's okay to maybe funnel money back to yourself to get belligerent and upset on the stand.

00:06:37.000 What does this say about the status of the American justice system?

00:06:41.000 Yeah, no question.

00:06:42.000 Charlie, the justice system in this country is broken.

00:06:45.000 You know, it's and it's not to put the plug in there for my organization, but I'm executive director.

00:06:52.000 I'm executive director of Riot on Crime.

00:06:54.000 And our purpose is to fix the broken justice system in this country and to do so with conservative principles based on data and research and not based on politics because you're seeing it play out.

00:07:08.000 And you did an excellent job of highlighting just how absurd it is.

00:07:12.000 And we're watching it in multiple cases across the country.

00:07:15.000 But let's back up and look at this particular case.

00:07:18.000 You have a county attorney that has very high ethical standards and high legal standards, not above and beyond just what an ordinary lawyer that appears in that courtroom does.

00:07:31.000 They have higher standards.

00:07:32.000 So the judge actually finds that there is an appearance of conflict, which the law doesn't require him to find actual conflict.

00:07:42.000 The law requires that if you have either an actual conflict or you have an appearance of conflict, then you have to remove the individual.

00:07:51.000 They have to remove.

00:07:52.000 They should first remove themselves, but Fanny wasn't going to do that. 0.84

00:07:55.000 And if they don't, the court removes them and a different county or the attorney general would then take the case, review it, and then decide if they wanted to pursue it.

00:08:06.000 But that didn't happen here because judges in this country are willing to set aside the law and facts in order to achieve a political result rather than what the legal result should be.

00:08:20.000 And that is when your justice system fails.

00:08:24.000 Can you just elaborate more?

00:08:25.000 This judge has donated to Fannie Willis.

00:08:27.000 How is that not a conflict of interest?

00:08:29.000 Who oversees the judge? 0.53

00:08:30.000 I mean, I don't even know the answer to this question.

00:08:32.000 Is there an appellate process?

00:08:34.000 So we have judges that are so friendly with the DA that they can contribute to their campaigns.

00:08:40.000 How is that legal?

00:08:41.000 Yeah, it's a perfect example of the public not realizing that we have ceded power to judges and prosecutors in this country without accountability and without transparency.

00:08:52.000 So you take the recusal of a judge.

00:08:55.000 That decision rests with the judge and only the judge.

00:08:59.000 And so, you know, that needs to be fixed.

00:09:03.000 Hold on, let's see this.

00:09:05.000 Like Pharaoh didn't even have that kind of power.

00:09:08.000 I mean, so there's like no check and balance on a judge that oversees a proceeding of a former president.

00:09:14.000 That's correct.

00:09:15.000 That is one of the areas that we need accountability.

00:09:19.000 There needs to be transparency.

00:09:20.000 You need to be able to appeal a recusal request of a judge.

00:09:25.000 And so we're stuck as a country because we have given all that power without thinking through the dynamics of potential abuse.

00:09:34.000 And how we survived so long is we did have well-meaning people, good intentioned people that filled those positions.

00:09:43.000 And for the most part, it was very exceptional if someone abused their positions.

00:09:47.000 But that's not the case anymore.

00:09:49.000 We are not putting exceptional people with high moral and ethical standards in these positions.

00:09:54.000 And now the abuse is much more apparent.

00:09:57.000 Plug your organization again, Brett, please, quickly.

00:10:00.000 It's rightoncrime.com.

00:10:01.000 And we are a conservative organization that seeks to fix the justice system.

00:10:06.000 Very good.

00:10:06.000 Brett, thank you so much.

00:10:07.000 Thanks for taking the time today.

00:10:08.000 Thank you.

00:10:09.000 Thank you, Charlie.

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00:12:07.000 So yesterday, we were off the program.

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00:12:12.000 It's going to happen just a couple more times this spring where we do these during the day campus events, which honestly reach even more people and we reach millions of people online.

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00:12:25.000 The evening events are terrific.

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00:12:30.000 But the ones during the day are just, they're really breathtaking.

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00:12:36.000 We used to get 30 or 40 or maybe 50 people that would come.

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00:12:51.000 And that's why I have to take off radio every so often because they happen during the day, which is most of the kind of traffic between 12 and 2.

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00:13:05.000 And so first, just from the attendance, look at that.

00:13:08.000 Hundreds and hundreds of students.

00:13:10.000 This is at Cal State Fullerton of all places.

00:13:14.000 And so, you know, I talk for over two hours.

00:13:16.000 We had some great dialogue, some great discussions, some disagreement.

00:13:21.000 And I go and I start to, you know, take pictures of everybody.

00:13:23.000 And I start to all of a sudden notice, like, wow, 60 or 70% of the people that are coming up for pictures are Latino, Hispanic, Vietnamese.

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00:13:36.000 Overwhelming.

00:13:38.000 I mean, I'm talking about it was hard to find a white person that wanted to come up and take a picture.

00:13:43.000 I mean, there were a couple people, but it was a majority, minority support crowd.

00:13:50.000 And their enthusiasm and their energy, I'm talking about black and South Asian and Cambodian and specifically Nicaraguan and Mexican and Honduran.

00:14:02.000 And I speak very bluntly about the immigration issue.

00:14:05.000 In fact, one of the Honduran Nicaraguan Americans, formerly of those countries, he said, look, my family came here legally. 1.00

00:14:14.000 Number one, he says, I don't like when people loop me into the category of these illegal squatter jumpers.

00:14:19.000 He used that word.

00:14:20.000 I said, those are the terms.

00:14:21.000 I said, wow.

00:14:21.000 He said, these people come in.

00:14:23.000 They want all these benefits.

00:14:25.000 They cut in line.

00:14:26.000 My family came here the right way.

00:14:27.000 I resent them.

00:14:29.000 Wow.

00:14:30.000 I don't know if that's a majority opinion.

00:14:32.000 But the New York Times has now come out.

00:14:35.000 Latinos shifting toward Trump, landing, land at the center of the 2024 campaign.

00:14:41.000 This is poll after poll.

00:14:44.000 This is data set after data set, coupled with my on-the-ground anecdotal experience that there is something profound happening in the Hispanic community.

00:14:55.000 This could be seismic. 1.00

00:14:57.000 This could change the entire game.

00:14:59.000 Let me read from the New York Times.

00:15:01.000 Trump has found new support among Latinos who work in law enforcement around, along the Mexican border.

00:15:07.000 Cuban Americans in Florida averse to policies they view as approaching socialism.

00:15:11.000 Evangelical Christians attracted to Christian nationalism.

00:15:15.000 And second and third generation U.S.-born Latinos who are more likely to identify with and vote like their white peers.

00:15:23.000 I got to tell you, everything that the Koch brothers, everything that the Chamber of Commerce, that the Karl Roves and the moderate Republicans told us about this group of voters is wrong.

00:15:33.000 They said you have to go weak on immigration.

00:15:35.000 You have to go weak on social issues and they're going to come your way.

00:15:39.000 It's not that.

00:15:40.000 They're more conservative than the upper middle class whites.

00:15:44.000 They want stability.

00:15:46.000 You want to know the number one thing that I hear from Latino voters?

00:15:50.000 They say, we come from destabilized countries.

00:15:53.000 We came to America because it was a stable country.

00:15:58.000 One of the individuals I spoke to yesterday said, if America destabilizes, that will pave the way for a Marxist revolution.

00:16:08.000 It's very insightful. 0.91

00:16:10.000 Latino voters are far more aware of what happens when you embrace policies that are insane because they come from countries that have been championing these insane policies for the last 30 or 40 years.

00:16:24.000 The riots in 2020, we call it Floyd-Palooza, were a lot closer to their homes than white liberals.

00:16:33.000 Bad economic policies hit them immediately.

00:16:36.000 Inflation hits them immediately. 1.00

00:16:38.000 Immigration and the massive invasion of our country. 1.00

00:16:41.000 And I got to tell you, building the wall and deporting foreigners is a winning issue with Latinos, with Hispanics. 1.00

00:16:50.000 The fight for the presidency has expanded in recent elections from battlegrounds and the Rust Belt to the Sun Belt. 0.99

00:16:56.000 Joe Biden relied on victories in Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada to win in 2020.

00:16:59.000 This year, both parties are investing heavily in those states to persuade the large number of Hispanic voters they believe are up for grabs.

00:17:05.000 If this is even a little bit true and Donald Trump does three or four points better, by the way, polling is showing he's doing 10 points better, then Arizona is going to be just fine. 0.71

00:17:14.000 It's going to all be about the Rust Belt.

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00:17:21.000 He's going to go for, he's actually going to go for states that are some of the whitest battleground states.

00:17:28.000 Let me say that again.

00:17:29.000 Joe Biden is going to go all in on the whiter states and ignore the more diverse states.

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00:18:42.000 Joining us now is Vernon Jones.

00:18:44.000 Vernon, thank you for taking the time.

00:18:45.000 Vernon, you know Georgia, the Georgia landscape very, very well.

00:18:50.000 Your reaction to this ruling from Judge McAfee.

00:18:53.000 Well, obviously, I think a lot of us are not so much disappointed, but cannot believe that there was not enough compelling evidence that it would be a conflict of interest.

00:19:01.000 If the judge can disqualify Wade, then clearly you have to disqualify Fannie Willis because they were two peas in the pot. 0.85

00:19:10.000 They were Mutt and Jeff or Mutt and Jane, however you want to call it.

00:19:13.000 But the fact of it is, Charlie, her problems, her troubles are yet to come.

00:19:19.000 When you look at what the state commission is going to be doing, someone's filed a complaint against the state bar.

00:19:24.000 It sort of reminds me of a story when the dog wanted to cross the railroad track and went across the track and the train cut off a piece of his tail.

00:19:33.000 Well, the dog started coming back, smelling a little piece of his tail and got hit by the train again and lost his head.

00:19:39.000 So the moral of the story is, why worry about a little piece of tail that it costs you your head?

00:19:46.000 So Vernon, I want you to talk about SB 332 that Governor Kemp just signed.

00:19:52.000 He signed this bill that empowers a panel created by Georgia lawmakers to discipline and potentially remove rogue state prosecutors.

00:20:00.000 Fulton County DA Fannie Willis and Athens Clark County DA Deborah Gonzalez are rumored targets, though Governor Kemp and others are emphasizing crime as the main reason for the bill.

00:20:10.000 Quote, when out of touch, prosecutors put politics over public safety, the community suffers, and people and property are put at risk.

00:20:18.000 Do you think this potentially could be used regarding Fannie Willis?

00:20:23.000 Well, the basis of this bill, Charlie, is that there's been a number of prosecutors across this country that have refused to prosecute groups of people based on their political affiliation.

00:20:36.000 And it's wrong because criminals are literally getting away.

00:20:39.000 I think this piece of legislation allows the state of Georgia for the first time, because they were not able to do it in the past, or I should say able to do it in the past, to hold a district attorney accountable.

00:20:49.000 Before, there was no recourse when a district attorney committed some unbecoming behavior.

00:20:56.000 So this allows an organization or a panel, I should say, to review what a district attorney is doing.

00:21:03.000 And if they're of any conduct unbecoming, they can be removed from office or they can have some other disciplinary actions towards them.

00:21:13.000 So I'd say this.

00:21:15.000 She has a lot to be afraid of right now.

00:21:17.000 Her license could be at stake, being removed from office could at stake be a state.

00:21:21.000 And remember, Charlie, the perjury.

00:21:24.000 There could be some perjury here where, you know, she could end up in jail. 1.00

00:21:27.000 So Vernon, can you talk about how this is playing politically?

00:21:31.000 What is the vibe on the ground?

00:21:32.000 Is this helpful to the Democrats?

00:21:35.000 Is Fannie Willis continuing on, makes the furtherance of this legal crusade delegitimate? 1.00

00:21:44.000 What is your thoughts on the political implications of this?

00:21:48.000 Politically, she's going to have to, and legally, she's going to have to drop Wade like a hot potato.

00:21:54.000 Secondly, she's going to, she realizes there's a certain faction that's supporting her that want her to get in there and go and prosecute Trump.

00:22:02.000 There's another group that there's no way in the world that she can be untainted. 1.00

00:22:06.000 There's not going to be a pool, a jury, a jury pool that cannot have at least one or two people on there saying, wait a minute, this is political.

00:22:14.000 So she doesn't get the verdict she's seeking.

00:22:16.000 This is election year.

00:22:17.000 The judge is up for re-election.

00:22:19.000 She's up for re-election.

00:22:20.000 They both have opponents.

00:22:21.000 Obviously, there's a lot of politricking going on right now.

00:22:25.000 And it's just messy.

00:22:26.000 It's just really messy.

00:22:28.000 It's a hot mess.

00:22:29.000 And I think this thing is going to come to an end, Charlie.

00:22:32.000 And this whole case is going to be dropped, I believe.

00:22:35.000 So we know that nationally, you know, Fannie Willis has almost no respect and support.

00:22:41.000 Have you seen movement in the black community in Atlanta, Fulton County specifically, over this issue?

00:22:48.000 And do you think Donald Trump is poised to do better with black voters in Georgia coming into November?

00:22:54.000 Obviously, Donald Trump is trending and trending hard with the black vote in Georgia, irregardless of this case.

00:22:59.000 Let's be clear about that.

00:23:00.000 Also, yes, there's a fraction of black voters who are supporting Fannie Willis, but there's a faction of white liberal voters that's supporting her as well.

00:23:11.000 Those hardcore left radical Donald Trump members, I mean, I should say Joe Biden groupies, they don't care.

00:23:19.000 They don't care about judges. 0.99

00:23:21.000 They don't care about what's constitutional or not.

00:23:23.000 They just want to get rid of Donald Trump.

00:23:25.000 But then on the other hand, you have another faction of people that just, that there's no way in the world they will sit around and allow this to happen without putting pressure on Fonnie Willis, either through that committee that's going to be holding hearings as well as more complaints coming against her towards the bar.

00:23:42.000 And so it's both sides.

00:23:43.000 I don't think the needle, Charlie, has been moved on either end.

00:23:47.000 Everybody who's for Trump is still for Trump.

00:23:49.000 Those who are against Trump are against him. 0.73

00:23:52.000 Those who are for Fanny, they're still with Fanny.

00:23:55.000 But at the end of the day, it's such a mixed bag.

00:23:57.000 Nobody can walk away, though, not feeling that this case is tainted and that the credibility of Fanny Willis has been shot.

00:24:05.000 Whether you support her or not, they just won't admit it publicly, but privately, they're admitting that it looks really, really bad for Fanny.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, in 2020, Georgia was narrowly decided by 10,000 votes.

00:24:17.000 What needs to happen on the ground to ensure a Trump victory in Georgia and what is currently happening in Georgia?

00:24:23.000 Charlie, it has to be an in-your-face campaign, door-to-door, precinct to precinct, voter to voter.

00:24:30.000 And there's got to be an emphasis, Charlie, on getting votes out early, getting people to the polls to vote early, whether through mail or actually going down to the designated areas to vote.

00:24:42.000 You know, as former county executive, I had to run an election office.

00:24:46.000 I know how this thing works.

00:24:47.000 And I know that a lot of votes can come in early, and you can determine who's voting, who hasn't voted.

00:24:52.000 So you can go and target those that get there to vote by the deadline.

00:24:55.000 So there's got to be an in-your-face campaign.

00:24:57.000 The Democrats are extremely, extremely afraid right now.

00:25:01.000 Why?

00:25:01.000 Because Donald Trump is having a significant impact in the black and Latino community.

00:25:06.000 And now you can walk into a barbershop where most of the patrons are black or walk into a nail salon or walk into any work environment, both blue collar or white collar. 0.57

00:25:16.000 And you have blacks who are saying, wait a minute, I can't go with Biden this time, or I'm going back with Trump again because things were better on the Trump. 0.63

00:25:24.000 And here's what's interesting, Charlie. 0.63

00:25:26.000 The black voters who are changing and trending Trump is not so much about some sneakers they want to make about sneakers. 0.73

00:25:34.000 They're looking at their pocketbooks, Charlie.

00:25:36.000 They know that their money went farther when Trump was in office.

00:25:39.000 They knew the interest rates were lower when Trump was in office.

00:25:42.000 They knew that Trump was committed to America first.

00:25:45.000 The borders were secured.

00:25:46.000 Their neighborhoods weren't dumped on by illegals, getting free iPads, free hotels, and debit cards. 0.82

00:25:53.000 So black people, just like anybody else, any other person, they're looking at their pocketbooks too.

00:25:58.000 Yes, there have been generations of blacks voting Democrat, but that day is over.

00:26:03.000 You know, there's an awakening now.

00:26:04.000 They're seeing that the radical left has done nothing but harm them. 0.97

00:26:08.000 Liberals have destroyed the black community. 1.00

00:26:09.000 Now it's time for the black community to destroy the liberals. 1.00

00:26:12.000 So I have to just kind of, I want to play this piece of tape here for you, Vernon. 1.00

00:26:18.000 I think it's very important, which is regarding the Fannie Willis ruling.

00:26:24.000 And I want to get your reaction here.

00:26:27.000 If Fanny lied, there'd be no choice but to kick them both off this case.

00:26:30.000 Let's play cut 126, please.

00:26:32.000 If the judge determined they lied, he'd have no choice, right?

00:26:36.000 They would both be off the case.

00:26:39.000 But if he keeps her on, then he's determined they did not lie, or maybe she didn't lie, and that the timeline that was presented in court is accurate.

00:26:51.000 Does that make sense to you?

00:26:53.000 It does not, Bill.

00:26:54.000 You know, again, as we discussed here two weeks ago, when we heard the testimony from Nathan Wade's law partner, it did not pass the smell test.

00:27:03.000 He had spoken very emphatically and clearly about the relationship starting in 2019.

00:27:09.000 The statements made by Wade and Willis contradict that.

00:27:13.000 And there is a strong sense that they perjured themselves in that.

00:27:18.000 Fanny Willis, Vernon, has been playing the race card.

00:27:21.000 She went to a local church and played the race card.

00:27:25.000 What is your reaction to her not defending herself, but saying that it's racist to criticize her or to attack her?

00:27:33.000 Well, see, Charlie, this is where that commission comes in.

00:27:35.000 And this is where the state bar comes in.

00:27:37.000 The rules that govern lawyers in the state of Georgia, according to the state bar, are somewhat different, a lot different in many cases from what's going on in these legal proceedings in court.

00:27:48.000 So, what you're going to see happen, she's going to be held to a different standard.

00:27:52.000 And she's already violated some barbed rules. 0.99

00:27:55.000 And so, when that pursues down that particular avenue, that's where her law license is going to be in jeopardy. 0.62

00:28:02.000 And the other thing, too, you know, the judge didn't say that Fanny didn't lie.

00:28:06.000 I think the judge literally punted the ball, and it's a gift unwrapped to the legal team for all the defendants to appeal this.

00:28:15.000 It makes it easy to appeal because there's too many doors you can go through of evidence that it was a conflict of interest, where there was purgery, where they sought to compel a lot of information from coming out.

00:28:28.000 And so, again, that's why I said her troubles have just begun.

00:28:32.000 She's going to lose her head because of a little bit of tail. 1.00

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00:29:51.000 I know you're probably not the biggest fan of Charlie Kirk, but I was on stage with Charlie Kirk talking about this. 0.98

00:29:55.000 He wanted to talk about critical race theory with me, and I'm like, damn it, Charlie. 0.96

00:29:58.000 I'm getting frustrated sitting there. 0.93

00:29:59.000 Why would you say I'm not the biggest fan of Charlie Kirk?

00:30:01.000 I don't know.

00:30:02.000 I figure that maybe you are.

00:30:04.000 I think he's very smart. 0.81

00:30:05.000 He's freaking smart.

00:30:06.000 Nobody gives him credit for that. 0.93

00:30:08.000 No, because they associate him with the white nationalist sort of right when he's a different guy.

00:30:14.000 He is quick.

00:30:15.000 He's not who they label him to be.

00:30:16.000 He's very smart.

00:30:17.000 He's very, very smart.

00:30:19.000 Yeah, that was a really, that was a nice surprise.

00:30:21.000 All of a sudden, people are talking about it.

00:30:22.000 Somebody comes up on campus.

00:30:23.000 Charlie, Joe Rogan says you're very smart.

00:30:24.000 And I say, okay, well, that's very sweet.

00:30:27.000 I'm a huge Joe Rogan fan.

00:30:28.000 I listen to Joe Rogan frequently, so that was really cool.

00:30:31.000 And James Lindsay is one of my best friends in the world.

00:30:33.000 I love that guy.

00:30:34.000 By the way, if you listen to that episode of Rogan and Lindsay, all of a sudden James Lindsay's quoting scripture: Matthew 7, Matthew 10, wise as serpent, as gentle as doves.

00:30:46.000 I'm like, you go, James Lindsay.

00:30:48.000 So you guys should check out that podcast episode on the Joe Rogan experience.

00:30:52.000 Joe Rogan will always, I will always just be a massive fan for what he did during COVID.

00:30:58.000 What he did during COVID was one of the most courageous stances I've seen from a public figure in recent memory.

00:31:04.000 So we have said repeatedly, Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin. 0.79

00:31:10.000 So if Donald Trump does three points better with black voters, Georgia, that's going to be in the winner column for Donald Trump. 0.83

00:31:17.000 We're doing a lot of ballot chasing and a lot of activity on the ground in the great state of Arizona right here. 0.89

00:31:23.000 And if he does even five points better with Hispanics, Arizona in the winner category.

00:31:30.000 Now, if you listen, let's just say regularly To the Charlie Kirk show, to thought crimes, to any of our analysis.

00:31:43.000 You will know that a month or two ago, we said that Joe Biden is pivoting for the blue wall.

00:31:52.000 That Joe Biden is transitioning his strategy away from Georgia and Arizona to Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

00:31:59.000 Now, we had some data and evidence that suggests this, but we're so ahead of the curve.

00:32:04.000 And I don't say me, I'm just saying the turning point team.

00:32:07.000 And I also thought to myself, Joe Biden is actually and his team are pretty smart.

00:32:13.000 What would I do if I was Joe Biden?

00:32:14.000 If I was Joe Biden, I would abandon Arizona.

00:32:16.000 I would abandon Georgia and I would go all in on the three most winnable states that have the loosest voting laws, that also have declining populations where a lot of conservatives are leaving these states, where you can run up the score on college campuses, run up the score in urban centers.

00:32:35.000 So we thought of that analytically, and it turns out we were onto something, not just onto something.

00:32:40.000 We hit it right bullseye.

00:32:45.000 AP News and Bloomberg reports: Biden looks to shore up Democratic blue wall as he announces millions for new projects.

00:32:53.000 Now, this is one of the articles.

00:32:55.000 The better worded one is Bloomberg, where it says Joe Biden is basically going all in on rebuilding the blue wall.

00:33:01.000 Remember, Donald Trump broke the blue wall in 2016.

00:33:04.000 He won Pennsylvania, he won Wisconsin and Michigan.

00:33:08.000 One, two, three.

00:33:09.000 He cracked the blue wall.

00:33:11.000 The muscular class was ascendant, and Hillary Clinton spent more time in San Francisco and New York running national advertising.

00:33:22.000 And they have tried to rebuild the blue wall.

00:33:26.000 In 2020, Joe Biden, I put in air quotes, won all three.

00:33:30.000 But here's the math of where we're headed.

00:33:34.000 If Donald Trump wins Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada, he would have to then win the one pesky electoral vote in Omaha, Nebraska.

00:33:44.000 Nebraska appropriates their electoral votes based on congressional district, not based on the winner-take-all of the entire state.

00:33:51.000 Donald Trump will struggle to win the Omaha congressional district electoral vote.

00:33:56.000 So therefore, Nevada does you basically nothing unless you also win New Hampshire.

00:34:01.000 Now, mind you, if, and I know this math just from memory, because this is how seriously we take it at turning point, at turning point action, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, plus the one congressional seat in Nebraska would then bring us to a 269 to 269 electoral tie, and it would be thrown to the House of Representatives where each state would get one vote, and Donald Trump would then probably become president, but there's no guarantee there could be some coalition government formed.

00:34:28.000 That's not a great path.

00:34:30.000 The better path is that Donald Trump wins Arizona, Donald Trump wins Georgia, and then he needs to win one out of the three of the Rust Belt states.

00:34:39.000 And this is what bothers me.

00:34:40.000 It bothers me because if Nevada just had one more electoral vote, you could actually just go heavy on Sunbelt and forget the industrial belt.

00:34:52.000 Can't do that.

00:34:54.000 We're one electoral vote short there.

00:34:56.000 Now, another option is you could try to win New Hampshire.

00:34:59.000 I think that's a bad idea.

00:35:00.000 Way too many college-educated Massachusetts liberals that live in New Hampshire.

00:35:05.000 Bad idea.

00:35:05.000 Don't do that.

00:35:06.000 So Joe Biden, in order for him to become president, needs to win all three of the blue wall.

00:35:13.000 Donald Trump has to win one out of three of the blue wall if Arizona and Georgia go the direction that they're trending.

00:35:19.000 And that's a big if.

00:35:21.000 So Joe Biden is going all in on going three for three for the blue wall.

00:35:26.000 Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

00:35:31.000 If Donald Trump can win one out of those three, he's president.

00:35:36.000 If Joe Biden wins three out of three, he effectively blocks Donald Trump from becoming president.

00:35:41.000 We believe that Wisconsin is the best bet for multiple reasons.

00:35:46.000 The best voting laws of the three, they're not good, but they're the best of the three.

00:35:50.000 Michigan is a disaster.

00:35:50.000 Pennsylvania is even worse.

00:35:52.000 The polls are all three viable right now, but we think Wisconsin is the best bet.

00:35:58.000 If you live in those states, you need to get involved right now.

00:36:00.000 This is why we are hosting our major summer convention in Detroit, Michigan.

00:36:04.000 We are going all in on the blue wall.

00:36:07.000 You must win one out of three.

00:36:09.000 Joe Biden agrees.

00:36:11.000 They're telegraphing their strategy.

00:36:13.000 Let's volunteer, donate, get involved, be a precinct committeeman, chase ballots, register voters.

00:36:18.000 It's time to get in the grassroots.

00:36:20.000 We know where the civilization will be decided.

00:36:24.000 It'll be decided in Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania.

00:36:27.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:28.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:32.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:36:36.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 15, 2024

The Final Fulton County Ruling

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