The Charlie Kirk Show - The Furry of it All?

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00:01:09.000 All right.

00:01:10.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:12.000 I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show.

00:01:12.000 Happy Monday.

00:01:15.000 Joined, as always.

00:01:17.000 Well, not as always.

00:01:18.000 He's been a little hit and missed late.

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00:01:20.000 He's been a little hit.

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00:01:23.000 That would be Blake Neff, our not-so-secret weapon.

00:01:27.000 And co-host, here we are now.

00:01:30.000 Just, you know, a huge breaking story this morning if you are a fan of the Charlie Kirk show, because it ties in.

00:01:38.000 And that is, of course, a new report from New York Post.

00:01:42.000 It would be Miranda Devine.

00:01:44.000 She's actually going to be joining us tomorrow to discuss this in more detail.

00:01:48.000 But breaking, new account linked to Thomas Matthew Crooks shows a furry fetish and transgender ideology interest at least, referred to himself as they them.

00:02:02.000 And obviously, Thomas Matthew Crooks is the attempted assassin of President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:02:09.000 Who had no, we were told, no digital trail whatsoever.

00:02:12.000 He's the only person under 30 in the entirety of America who had nothing about him online.

00:02:17.000 But now we're finding out that there is more to it.

00:02:19.000 Now, this corresponds certainly with some of the reporting that Tucker Carlson has recently done, although this they, them, and furry fetish is new.

00:02:30.000 And I think why this is so eye-raising is simply because of what happened to Charlie.

00:02:38.000 The alleged assassin of the monster who killed Charlie also had a furry fetish and allegedly and had a boyfriend that was trans.

00:02:52.000 There certainly seems to be some of the similar ideologies that are circulating between the two instances.

00:02:58.000 Yeah, let's lay it out here.

00:02:59.000 So last week, Tucker released a video which just dived into the Thomas Crookes case.

00:03:06.000 As you guys probably remember, the FBI began looking into it and essentially said, there's no manifesto.

00:03:12.000 We don't have an obvious motive for what this was.

00:03:15.000 And he seems to have very little online trail.

00:03:17.000 And they kind of left it there.

00:03:20.000 There's been repeated efforts by Congress to get more information.

00:03:23.000 It hasn't really led to many places.

00:03:26.000 And so what Tucker was able to do is they found, they kind of did standard forensic work.

00:03:31.000 It wasn't a leak.

00:03:32.000 They got a private investigator and he used tools that they had.

00:03:35.000 They knew one of his email addresses and then they found accounts linked to that email address.

00:03:39.000 And then they were able to use internet archive pages and a few other things.

00:03:42.000 And they found some traces of his online presence.

00:03:45.000 Certainly.

00:03:46.000 They found traces in 19 different profiles.

00:03:48.000 The main thing they had.

00:03:49.000 19.

00:03:50.000 So that, but I mean, I'm not saying that they were extensive footprints in any of these.

00:03:54.000 Yeah.

00:03:54.000 But to find 19.

00:03:55.000 The main thing they just had was just YouTube comments, which is a pretty low tier of internet engagement.

00:04:01.000 So he had the internet comments, which showed he was making threats.

00:04:05.000 They signaled that when he was pretty young, this is all, this ends in 2020 when he's 16 years old, and some of it's earlier than that.

00:04:12.000 But he was saying pretty violent rhetoric, threatening rhetoric, actually against immigrants and stuff.

00:04:17.000 So the FBI had framed it, oh, he might have kind of been right-wing, motivated by anti-immigrant stuff.

00:04:22.000 What they found was he'd started to turn around COVID, where he seemed to actually be very against Trump's handling of COVID.

00:04:33.000 He seemed to be extremely angry about people who wouldn't mask up or people who wouldn't like follow lockdowns or so it seemed.

00:04:40.000 It's not totally clear.

00:04:41.000 But he was suddenly changing ideologically, which is, of course, really annoying because then the trail goes cold.

00:04:48.000 Now, what happened there?

00:04:49.000 We're not sure.

00:04:50.000 It could be he started registering for new accounts with a new email we don't know of.

00:04:55.000 There's sites you can use like 10-Minute Mail to sign up for websites with a throwaway email that no one will ever link to you.

00:05:00.000 There's a lot of stuff that you can do.

00:05:02.000 Now, today we have the New York Post, which essentially did the same thing Tucker did, but with the added caveat that they found his deviant article.

00:05:14.000 Do you know what deviant art is?

00:05:16.000 Do you know what deviant art is out there in the audience?

00:05:20.000 Send us your thoughts.

00:05:21.000 Freedom at Charlie Curry.

00:05:23.000 Send us your best deviant artist.

00:05:24.000 So here's what you have.

00:05:25.000 Here's, let me, before we get to that point, right?

00:05:29.000 There is an issue here.

00:05:31.000 So because on July 13th, 2024, FBI Director Chris Ray told Congress that the Bureau had found nothing in Crooks' online history, okay, that pointed to motive or political ideology.

00:05:44.000 A week later, Ray's deputy, Paul Abate, and I'm reading from Miranda's report here, Paul Abate told Congress that comments posted on one of Crooks' social media accounts appear to reflect anti-Semitic and anti-immigration themes to espouse political violence.

00:06:00.000 But here's the problem.

00:06:01.000 This left out a huge chunk of the timeline, right?

00:06:05.000 Where it seems to indicate a pivot from what you would consider, I guess, more right-leaning ideology, I guess, because of the immigration stuff, to anti-Trump rhetoric, anti-government rhetoric.

00:06:23.000 So it was an omission.

00:06:24.000 It left an entire section out from January to August 2020 when he did an ideological backflip and went from rapidly pro-Trump to rapidly anti-Trump.

00:06:35.000 And then he went dark, seemingly never to post again.

00:06:38.000 Now, that's a huge, huge question.

00:06:40.000 Yeah.

00:06:41.000 Now, like in August 2020, one of his last things that we had was, in my opinion, the only way to fight the gov is with terrorism-style attacks.

00:06:49.000 Sneak a bomb into an essential building and set it off before anyone sees you.

00:06:54.000 Track down any important people, politicians, military leaders, et cetera, and try to assassinate them. 0.98

00:07:00.000 He said that.

00:07:01.000 And he it seems, you know, the truth is a lot of people who become violent assassins or terrorists often are all over the map.

00:07:10.000 And that's why it's so frustrating it goes cold in 2020 because 16 to 20, if you're already an unstable guy, is going to be an absolute rocket ship of potential ideological changes.

00:07:21.000 I know someone, there was a guy I knew in high school, not even an extremist.

00:07:24.000 I shouldn't say he was not a violent guy, but I knew a guy who, when he was a sophomore in high school, he was an Ayn Rand fan objectivist.

00:07:31.000 And then by the time he was a freshman in college, he was a full, like Lenin did nothing wrong communist.

00:07:40.000 And then for a while, his ideology was whatever gets us to space fastest.

00:07:43.000 And last time I checked, he was a MAGA supporter.

00:07:46.000 So some people just whip all over the place when they're young adults.

00:07:50.000 And obviously this guy was very unstable.

00:07:53.000 Point.

00:07:53.000 So on July 20th, 2019, he said the literal Trump is the literal definition of patriotism.

00:08:01.000 So that's 2019.

00:08:04.000 And then, so, but by early 2020, Crooks is he had flipped 180, became very critical of Trump, Fox News, and Republican complaints about mail-in voting.

00:08:16.000 So he said, keep in mind the only reason we know about any of this, this was a comment in January 23rd, 2020.

00:08:24.000 So this is from, what did I say, July 20th, 2019 to January 23rd, 2020.

00:08:31.000 So that's basically six months. 1.00

00:08:33.000 And he starts going after President Trump calling him Trump stupidity. 1.00

00:08:39.000 So that's a six-month window. 1.00

00:08:41.000 And he seems to flip.

00:08:42.000 People swerve COVID, of course.

00:08:44.000 That drove people nuts.

00:08:45.000 But then, yeah, so the thing we specifically have.

00:08:47.000 And then he describes, by the way, he described Trump as racist.

00:08:49.000 Yeah.

00:08:49.000 Well, I know, but that's interesting.

00:08:51.000 He went from anti-immigrant screeds about killing immigrants to describing Trump as racist.

00:08:57.000 But anyway, what we have from the New York Post this morning, in addition to that, which they kind of reaffirmed what was on Tucker's segment, is they found the Devi Arns art account.

00:09:05.000 And they say, and I'm very frustrated with this because they say he appears to have been interested in, quote, furries and exploring gender identity.

00:09:12.000 First, apparently he used the pronouns they, them as his default undeviant art.

00:09:17.000 And also, they say it had an obsession with scantily clad cartoon characters that had muscle-bound male bodies and female heads.

00:09:31.000 And sadly, that's like a sub-genre.

00:09:34.000 There's a lot of subgenres of it.

00:09:36.000 And I'm annoyed because, okay, they say that.

00:09:39.000 And you'd want to know how much of there is that.

00:09:41.000 Because if they look at one, that's different from if they look at 100 or 1,000 or 10,000.

00:09:47.000 And, you know, it might be sort of disturbing.

00:09:50.000 So you'd want to maybe censor parts of it for normal people.

00:09:52.000 But I suspect a lot of people are going to want to know what the heck are we talking about here?

00:09:56.000 Because as we'll get into in the next segment, if he was really deep down that rabbit hole, he's going down a rabbit hole.

00:10:03.000 A lot of other people who eventually become violent in the last couple of years have gone down.

00:10:07.000 Well, and that's exactly it.

00:10:09.000 I mean, the trans or gender-confused community may be the most terrorist-prone, terrorism-prone community in the country. 1.00

00:10:21.000 Just, it's totally possible.

00:10:22.000 I don't have the exact stats, but man, there's a lot of anecdotal evidence.

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00:11:30.000 So here's the deal, Blake.

00:11:32.000 I mean, and Benny did a good job of putting these together, and you could add to his list the Brett Kavanaugh potential assassin.

00:11:39.000 Yes.

00:11:40.000 So you got Charlie Kirk's assassin, Tyler Robinson, had a furry obsession and lived with a transgender boyfriend. 0.74

00:11:45.000 Okay, there's one.

00:11:47.000 It's the alleged assassin there.

00:11:48.000 Annunciation Catholic Church shooter identified as trans.

00:11:52.000 Nashville Christian shooter identified as trans.

00:11:55.000 That was a female to male.

00:11:58.000 Lakewood church shooter identified as trans.

00:12:01.000 Colorado Spring shooter identified as non-binary.

00:12:04.000 Denver shooter identified as trans.

00:12:06.000 Aberdeen shooter identified as trans.

00:12:08.000 Iowa high school shooter, trans activist.

00:12:12.000 So you've got annunciation is Robin Westman, Nashville, Audrey Hale.

00:12:19.000 So these are some of these famous names.

00:12:21.000 You had the Brett Kavanaugh attempted assassin, went by Sophie Rasca.

00:12:26.000 Yeah.

00:12:27.000 And that's something that's happened after the attack, I believe, correct?

00:12:31.000 I'm not sure on the time.

00:12:33.000 I think on that line down, Danny will find out for us here.

00:12:35.000 I mean, they were probably a little odd.

00:12:36.000 I mean, I was going to say, you know, but what is really disconcerting here is that it seems to be something where you have unstable people that get into an ideology that basically unmoors them from reality.

00:12:53.000 And what I believe happens, now I'm not a psychologist, but it seems to fit that when you become unmoored from your physical God-given attributes or believe that you can become disassociated with them in some way, that you become unmoored from morality, good and evil, right and wrong, these binaries that bind humanity and societies together.

00:13:14.000 And if you have an unstable proclivity, then guess what's going to happen?

00:13:18.000 You're going to be tapped into a whole ideology that basically says up is not up, down is not down, right is not wrong.

00:13:24.000 It's potentially a few things.

00:13:25.000 And we should caveat, of course, it's all like, it's kind of this wave of them is pretty new.

00:13:30.000 It's emerging.

00:13:31.000 The transgenderism wave in general is pretty recent.

00:13:33.000 It exploded really just in the past 10 years, and it's among young people.

00:13:37.000 So you're looking, we're really just having people aging into their late teens, early 20s who were really blasted by this psychological contagion when they were social contagion.

00:13:52.000 Yeah, the social contagion when they were in middle school age, early high school age.

00:13:56.000 Now these people are aging into where they're old enough, they're autonomous enough to really potentially do things.

00:14:02.000 And it's as you say, it's like there's a bit of the denial of reality.

00:14:05.000 I think another thing is if you're if you've been exposed to these communities, you know they can be very out.

00:14:13.000 They're very unhinged.

00:14:14.000 They're very indulging of like extreme wild rhetoric. 0.74

00:14:17.000 So if you hear, I mean, for example, I saw when people were reacting to Charlie's death, I routinely saw people with, you know, LGBT flag, trans flags be like, Charlie Kirk wanted me dead.

00:14:29.000 Charlie Kirk wanted everyone like me dead.

00:14:31.000 They really indulge a lot of that hysterical rhetoric.

00:14:34.000 So there's an entire subcommunity of people who are not mentally well in the first place that is also constantly feeding them.

00:14:41.000 There are people who want to commit genocide against you. 0.90

00:14:44.000 There are people who specifically want to kill you. 0.52

00:14:45.000 They are a threat to you. 0.95

00:14:47.000 And it's like you, an unstable person, should think that this person is a full genocidal Nazi and will kill you if you don't do something about it.

00:14:56.000 So it's feeding unstable people the justification for extreme acts of violence.

00:15:01.000 Yeah, 1,000% agree with that.

00:15:03.000 And you put on top of that, Blake, a lot of drug use, whether that's simple things like vaping THC all the time or harder drugs.

00:15:12.000 Or the hormonal replacement drugs or testosterone replacement.

00:15:16.000 Yeah, if you read, so again, this is background, but if you look into someone's been posting, claims he's been getting like Discord messages and such, that he was in the Discord group that Charlie's alleged shooter was in.

00:15:27.000 And he's been saying that his boyfriend was like on tons of drugs all of the time.

00:15:36.000 Really heavy stuff.

00:15:38.000 And, you know, it's all speculative how much that actually affected everyone else, but it's just there's a lot of well, I mean, just think about what we're doing.

00:15:47.000 Taking people who are unwell, pumping them potentially full of hormones, pumping them full of other drugs.

00:15:52.000 None of these have remotely been studied for how they intersect with each other.

00:15:55.000 There's a total unwillingness to take that question seriously, especially during peak woke.

00:16:00.000 And, you know, you're just, it's like taking a bunch of random chemicals and putting them in a jar and shaking it as hard as you can and then throwing it somewhere.

00:16:08.000 And we don't know the ramifications long term for a lot of this stuff, but let's go ahead and I saw this image go up, but let's throw it up again.

00:16:08.000 Well, absolutely.

00:16:14.000 89.

00:16:15.000 This is 7.2% of U.S. adults identify as LGBT, but look at those red graphs on the right.

00:16:22.000 That's 19.7% of Gen Z in 2022.

00:16:28.000 So presumably that number would be higher now, although we have seen a reversal of some of these trends just because we've been actually winning, fighting, and winning cultural battles.

00:16:36.000 You get this.

00:16:37.000 Let's go to image.

00:16:40.000 I'm not sure which one this is.

00:16:42.000 Here we go.

00:16:42.000 90.

00:16:43.000 This is Gallup poll.

00:16:44.000 Okay, so nearly four in 10 young liberal women identify as LGBT.

00:16:50.000 Okay, so that's that big, huge graph right there.

00:16:53.000 18 to 29-year-old liberal women is almost at 38% identify as LGBT.

00:17:00.000 So when we talk about the social contagion of it all, that's what we're talking about because it far outpaces any other generation. 0.89

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00:18:11.000 And before we bring our next guest in, I want to play Cut 107 as a little preview.

00:18:16.000 The purchasing power dropped by about $3,000 under Joe Biden because the wages didn't keep up with prices.

00:18:22.000 Under President Trump, it's already gone up by about $1,200.

00:18:25.000 We understand that people still feel the pain of the high prices, but we're closing the gap and filling the gap faster.

00:18:33.000 I'm excited to welcome Kevin Hassett, the man in that clip, director of the National Economic Council of the United States.

00:18:33.000 All right.

00:18:39.000 Welcome to the show, sir.

00:18:41.000 Honored to have you back again.

00:18:42.000 Great to be back.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, it's great to be back.

00:18:45.000 It's great to have you.

00:18:46.000 And we, you know, I used to talk about this with Charlie, just how much we loved having you on the show because you have such an optimistic air to you.

00:18:55.000 You know, if there's doom and gloom out there, like you come on and you kind of make sense of it and you kind of steady everybody's nerves and you say, hey, listen, guys, look at this piece of data.

00:19:05.000 Look at that.

00:19:06.000 And so this was, I think, one of the key points in videos that I saw floating around this weekend because you're talking about this affordability crisis that has become front and center, partly because some of Charlie's tweets have become gone viral and everybody's talking about the housing affordability and things like that.

00:19:23.000 Why don't you just start right there?

00:19:25.000 Because people still feel the crunch of Biden inflation.

00:19:29.000 I don't think anybody with a rational mindset thinks that that's all going to be wiped away in 10 months.

00:19:36.000 But explain the real metrics of it and why people are still feeling this way.

00:19:40.000 I absolutely will.

00:19:40.000 Oh, sure.

00:19:42.000 And again, it's my first time on the show since I was talking to Charlie.

00:19:46.000 And one of the things I remember best about him is how much he started to love economics.

00:19:51.000 I think you probably remember some of the conversations I had with him after the show, like when we weren't on tape.

00:19:57.000 But, you know, I think that the bottom line is that under Joe Biden, they spent like drunken sailors.

00:20:05.000 And the Fed basically printed the money to let them do that.

00:20:09.000 And, you know, everybody knows that that causes inflation.

00:20:12.000 Inflation went up almost to 10%, averaged 5% a year.

00:20:16.000 And then interest rates went up a lot.

00:20:18.000 And so if you wanted, for example, to buy a new home, the typical homeowner would see their mortgage payment double.

00:20:25.000 And meanwhile, grocery prices went up.

00:20:28.000 And so, for example, a typical month's groceries for the average family was about $400 when President Trump took office.

00:20:35.000 It's about $515 when President Trump came back again.

00:20:40.000 And so people rightly look back at those numbers and say, geez, I'm really having a hard time keeping ahead.

00:20:48.000 Now we've got mortgage rates down, and so the monthly payments are going down.

00:20:51.000 We're making it easier to buy a car because we're letting you deduct the interest.

00:20:56.000 And inflation itself has dropped down to about 2.5% right now.

00:21:01.000 But if Joe Biden doubles your mortgage payment and then it goes down a little bit, and if prices go from $400 to $515 for a typical bag of groceries, then getting inflation to slow is not the same as reversing the situation.

00:21:17.000 And the way we reverse the situation is we continue to go after every little thing we can to reduce inflation.

00:21:24.000 The most important is at the macro level that we're cutting the deficit by about $600 billion this year, which will put downward pressure on everybody's prices.

00:21:33.000 But then we're going thing by thing to try to come up with policies that help that as well.

00:21:38.000 But the bottom line is that this is a situation that was caused by democratic policies.

00:21:44.000 And this is a situation that we're fixing.

00:21:47.000 And somehow the fact that prices went up a lot under Joe Biden is suddenly a good talking point for President Trump.

00:21:53.000 And that's just preposterous.

00:21:56.000 Blake Neff, by the way, is also in studio with us.

00:21:58.000 He's our producer here.

00:22:01.000 So he's got a question.

00:22:02.000 No, I just, I kind of wanted to, you know, highlight just, I love this, one of the, actually one of the last things Charlie was tweeting about.

00:22:09.000 He just talked about he really was fixating on that falling home ownership rate, especially for people about 30 years old when they're in that marrying, getting, having kids range.

00:22:18.000 And he just said, you know, you mentioned it's like left-wing policies.

00:22:21.000 And he says, we need to restore the social compact.

00:22:24.000 And his six parts were deportations, stop the H-1B scam, cut legal immigration and chain migration, build 10 million homes, crush the college cartel.

00:22:33.000 And you think like each of those is really a pillar of, you know, Biden era policy of we're not going to deport anybody.

00:22:40.000 We're going to give endless money to the college cartel with no change whatsoever.

00:22:44.000 We're going to have, you know, endless H-1Bs, you know, whatever the right amount we can debate, but it was basically just more and more and more and more. 0.95

00:22:52.000 And of course, you can't build any homes because we have endless regulation to strangle it.

00:22:57.000 And dismantling that is such a basic step towards making America a functional society for more of the people in it.

00:23:05.000 Well, I totally agree.

00:23:07.000 And we could throw that image up 59, Kevin, just so you could take a look at it.

00:23:10.000 He was responding to a graph that had been going around.

00:23:12.000 This is about a month before he was killed that said that the percentage of 30-year-olds that were both married and owned a home had dropped below 15%.

00:23:23.000 And in the, it looks like 1960s, it was over 50%.

00:23:27.000 It stayed about 50% until about 1970.

00:23:29.000 Even in 1980, it was about 45%.

00:23:33.000 1990, it was about 45%.

00:23:35.000 And then it dropped off a cliff.

00:23:37.000 I mean, I don't know if you want to put your macroeconomic hat on.

00:23:40.000 If you had to isolate what happened around 1990 from a macroeconomic standpoint or from a societal standpoint that caused that steep decline, what would you identify as the main drivers?

00:23:51.000 Sure.

00:23:52.000 Well, I think that the steepest decline is really over the last three or four years where the mortgage rate went through the roof.

00:23:58.000 But I think that the thing that you guys have been talking about, and Charlie talked about forever, the declining rate of marriage is a really big deal.

00:24:08.000 You know, that people get married and then they buy a house and usually people don't do it before then.

00:24:13.000 And so I think that if you look at the sort of declining marriage rates over time, that they explain a lot of the declining homeownership.

00:24:22.000 And the other thing that you just mentioned about like stop throwing all the money at the colleges so that they could just jack up tuition and everything.

00:24:31.000 There's another thing on the affordability question that is underappreciated.

00:24:35.000 I just would like to highlight with you guys, which is remember that, so Obamacare was supposed to be Affordable Care Act, right?

00:24:42.000 That's what they said.

00:24:44.000 And so all of this stuff, all the fights of the shutdown and everything about the Affordable Care Act, first of all, all those policies were crafted by Democrats.

00:24:51.000 Every single one of them, like barely, if ever, got a Republican vote.

00:24:55.000 And so if somebody's got a problem with the Affordable Care Act, Dow, then they should blame the Democrats.

00:24:59.000 And somehow the Affordable Care Act, if you look at the mainstream media, is President Trump's fault.

00:25:04.000 But then the other thing is, and this goes back to your point that you just made so cleverly about the colleges and universities, and something that Charlie highlighted, is that so what happened was that in the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare started giving lots of subsidies to people to buy health insurance.

00:25:20.000 And so there is sort of like you get subsidies for going to college.

00:25:24.000 And then what happened was that the insurance companies, which give lots of campaign contributions to the Democrats, jacked up their prices.

00:25:30.000 And so if you look at the Obamacare insurance programs, the insurance policies, they've increased a rate of inflation of about twice what it is for ordinary private players.

00:25:41.000 And so it's a classic case of throwing government money at stuff and then having the people who get the money jacking up the price and giving a worse deal to the American citizen.

00:25:50.000 And that's something that Charlie would, of course, spoken up a lot about.

00:25:54.000 And it's something that we're paying attention to right now.

00:25:56.000 Well, absolutely.

00:25:57.000 I mean, you could look at universities.

00:25:58.000 As soon as we federalize student loans as opposed to private loans, one of our sponsors is YReFi, that actually helps with private student loans.

00:26:06.000 You saw a ballooning of college administrative classes.

00:26:09.000 I mean, the ratio of teachers to students drops off a clip, but the ratio of administrators to students, I mean, it's ballooned at an astronomical rate.

00:26:22.000 And of course, we see building new stadiums, new buildings go through the roof starting the late 90s, early 2000s, and on to today.

00:26:31.000 But the quality of the actual education teaching and professors goes down.

00:26:36.000 So there is kind of a very interesting parallel to when government gets involved, whether it be in healthcare or in our higher education institutions, a massive decrease in quality.

00:26:46.000 I do.

00:26:47.000 Yeah, you know, my sons both went to Columbia University, and I can remember that when my youngest son was going through his classes, one of the required classes he had was critical race theory.

00:27:00.000 It was a required class.

00:27:01.000 It was core class.

00:27:02.000 Columbia, our guys went there because they thought that Columbia was this place where they had the great books program and they still celebrated Western civilization and something, but they squeezed in critical theory as one of the top courses, a required course for everybody at Columbia.

00:27:16.000 And so that's the kind of stuff that isn't going to get you a job, I guess, unless the governments are putting you in charge of that for some poor company.

00:27:24.000 But that's the kind of thing that's made education less valuable.

00:27:26.000 You're right.

00:27:27.000 And what else are they teaching young people is to not get married?

00:27:29.000 Go ahead and throw it image 66.

00:27:32.000 Obviously, it's a wider societal issue, but there is massive amounts of indoctrination that are going on at the higher education levels.

00:27:38.000 This is girls are now less likely than boys to say that they want to get married.

00:27:41.000 I had a tweet about this up over the weekend that went viral.

00:27:44.000 This is the percentage of 12th graders saying they are most likely to choose to get married in the long run.

00:27:50.000 In 1993, it was 83% of girls and 76% of boys.

00:27:55.000 Boys have remained basically steady.

00:27:57.000 Girls, however, have dropped more than 22 points.

00:28:00.000 And it went from 83% in 93 to 61% in 2023.

00:28:06.000 So we've had an absolute collapse of the percentage of young women that want to get married.

00:28:12.000 And so what we, I will tell you this is first-hand experience.

00:28:15.000 One of my last really poignant memories with Charlie at a large event, we were doing an action summit over the summer in Tampa.

00:28:24.000 And we went into a room with all these young leaders from Turning Point USA.

00:28:28.000 And we asked them a question: like, how many of you feel a disconnect in dating?

00:28:32.000 Do you feel like that you guys, the men and the girls, are seeing eye to eye?

00:28:35.000 And it was like every hand went up.

00:28:37.000 They were like, no, we are not seeing eye to eye.

00:28:39.000 There is a massive problem between boys and girls at this point.

00:28:44.000 We want different things.

00:28:45.000 We see the world different.

00:28:46.000 Our timelines are different.

00:28:47.000 You saw that NBC poll that basically suggested that young men want to get married, start a career, and have kids, and young women want a career, make money, be financially independent.

00:28:57.000 Down was 11 out of 13 on the list was have kids and get married.

00:29:01.000 I mean, so you're seeing a real societal breakdown when it comes to basic things like, you know, procreating, creating the next generation, and why that's so important.

00:29:12.000 The three M's. 0.97

00:29:13.000 I was with Martha McCallum on Fox on Friday about this.

00:29:16.000 The three M's. 0.97

00:29:17.000 Charlie and I would talk about it.

00:29:18.000 We would talk about it on the show all the time.

00:29:19.000 Marriage, mortgage, and mating.

00:29:21.000 Brookings Institute calls those the conservatizing life events, Kevin.

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00:30:36.000 There is a lot of actual good economic news when you get into the numbers.

00:30:43.000 I want to play cut 109. 0.75

00:30:44.000 This is Peter Doocy comparing President Trump's first year to Joe Biden's.

00:30:49.000 109.

00:30:50.000 We look at overall inflation for the first year of Trump versus Biden.

00:30:55.000 Biden, overall, inflation was up 4.3%.

00:30:58.000 Higher than Trump, just up 1.6%.

00:31:01.000 Groceries under Biden in that time, up 3.8%.

00:31:05.000 With Trump, up 1.3.

00:31:07.000 And then when it comes to gas, this is crazy.

00:31:09.000 Biden up 24.4%.

00:31:12.000 With Trump, it is actually down 5.4%.

00:31:17.000 How much do you have to lower prices before we start worrying about deflationary pressure?

00:31:24.000 I know we're not there yet, but I mean, we don't want deflation, obviously, right?

00:31:29.000 So is there a way to sort of make good on what people really think they want, which is lower prices without sort of tanking the economy?

00:31:35.000 Or do you just have to sort of wait for wages to catch up?

00:31:39.000 No, it's a great question.

00:31:41.000 And also that chart that you just showed with Peter, the fact is that what the left is doing right now is they're looking at, say, that 24% increase and saying, well, you're down 5%, but you're still up.

00:31:56.000 And the bottom line is that they have this massive hole that was dug by Joe Biden and we're filling the hole really fast. 0.77

00:32:03.000 But the fact that the hole still exists is what they're blaming President Trump for, which is just logically ridiculous.

00:32:09.000 And so, you know, my view is that the way that we move forward is that we have a big supply side positive shock for the economy, which we are having because of the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:32:21.000 So we're, you know, building factories, we're cutting taxes on overtime and taxes on tips so that people work harder.

00:32:29.000 And that increases growth, but it doesn't increase inflation, but it gives you enough growth so that you shouldn't worry about deflation.

00:32:35.000 I want to talk about this idea of deflation, right?

00:32:38.000 So we've known that this has been a dog of a problem for so many countries like Japan went through a massive deflationary crisis.

00:32:49.000 I think that's what people think they're getting, actually, when they think Trump's going to fix the economy, Trump's going to fix what Biden started.

00:32:56.000 I think they think that they're getting deflation, but that's bad.

00:32:59.000 So what we really need to do is you're talking about the supply side shock.

00:33:03.000 President Trump's talking about $16, $17, $18, $19 trillion of investment into the economy.

00:33:10.000 And then that starts boosting wages.

00:33:12.000 You get a tightening job market when you deport illegal immigrants, when you, frankly, when you have a net migration outflow out of the country, right?

00:33:21.000 So you tighten the labor supply, then you get wages going up, you get investment, you get this one-year amortization, which is in the accelerated amortization of things like, you know, a restaurant wants to build a kitchen and they can amortize all that in a single year or bigger investments.

00:33:38.000 When are we going to start seeing that supply side shock?

00:33:40.000 Because I know $19 trillion comes to the economy.

00:33:43.000 If that materializes, that's going to be huge, but it's going to take a little while.

00:33:47.000 How do you predict the next six to 12 months going?

00:33:51.000 It actually isn't taking a while.

00:33:52.000 In fact, it's underway right now.

00:33:54.000 If you look at capital spending this year, it's pretty much up by almost as much as we saw all four years for Joe Biden.

00:34:01.000 There's been a capital spending boom because people want to build factories and create jobs in the U.S.

00:34:06.000 And in fact, it was one of my favorite little footnotes about the State of the Union address.

00:34:10.000 I guess we're supposed to call it something else, the joint session of Congress.

00:34:13.000 But when we were editing the final draft, one of the nerdy things that the economic team asked the president to stick in was that whenever we pass the Big Beautiful Bill, we're going to make the accelerated depreciation, the expensing of new equipment and new factories retroactive to his address that night.

00:34:31.000 And then what we saw was that there was an explosion of investment already because people knew we were going to pass the big beautiful bill and we gave them this massive tax incentive to do it.

00:34:39.000 And so it's really underway, a big part of it.

00:34:42.000 But one of the things that happens in terms of the big wage effects that we're going to see is that people tend to get their wage adjusted if they're not changing jobs in January.

00:34:52.000 And so there's going to be really big salary increases.

00:34:54.000 They're already underway this year, but when do you see January?

00:34:57.000 And the other thing is, because it takes a while for the IRS to do the forums, the no tax on tips, the no tax on overtime, a lot of people aren't going to see that until April when they get their refunds.

00:35:06.000 And so the bottom line is there's a lot of really good after-tax news coming for next year, and it won't be deflationary.

00:35:12.000 The way you get deflationary is you remember they called it the new normal under Obama.

00:35:16.000 You just can't grow very much and you got like really, really low price inflation, even deflation.

00:35:22.000 Well, that's because they put a straitjacket around the economy.

00:35:25.000 We're not doing that.

00:35:26.000 And so we won't have deflation.

00:35:28.000 We won't have low growth like that.

00:35:30.000 Well, no, and I think you agree with Scott Besson.

00:35:32.000 says that he thinks the U.S. economy will likely substantially accelerate Q1 and Q2 of next year.

00:35:39.000 I'm going to put you on the spot here, Kevin.

00:35:41.000 You can feel free to defer.

00:35:43.000 I know this isn't necessarily in your portfolio, but I saw Stephen Moran.

00:35:47.000 He went on, I don't remember one of the networks and said that he believes that deportations, mass deportations, are deflationary, meaning they actually do drop prices or reduce the rate of inflation potentially.

00:36:04.000 Do you think that the U.S. economy still needs 1 to 1.2 million green cards, including H-1Bs and all that stuff, given AI is coming down the pike?

00:36:13.000 We got this job insecurity with new grads.

00:36:16.000 30 seconds.

00:36:17.000 I know it's not enough time to answer it, but do your best.

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:21.000 You know, I'm for legal immigration that President Trump thinks is the appropriate amount.

00:36:26.000 And I haven't talked to him lately about what the appropriate amount right now is.

00:36:29.000 So I don't have an exact number for you.

00:36:31.000 But I think that stopping illegal is one of the great accomplishments of any president ever.

00:36:36.000 And he really has pretty much stopped it in his tracks.

00:36:39.000 And people told us that would cause a recession, but it didn't, right?

00:36:42.000 Because it gave the jobs back to native-born people. 0.99

00:36:46.000 And in fact, more than 100% of the jobs this year come from native born.

00:36:50.000 Amen.

00:36:50.000 Kevin Hassett, thank you so much for joining us.

00:36:52.000 It's an honor to have you.

00:36:53.000 We'll talk to you again soon.

00:36:54.000 Oh, thanks.

00:36:55.000 Honor to be here.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 17, 2025

The Furry of it All?

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