The Charlie Kirk Show - The GOP Debate Preview with Mollie Hemingway and Noel Fritsch

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, it's the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 Molly Hemingway joins us for a debate preview, and Noel Fritsch talks about some bombshell news in regards to January 6th as we try to get closer and closer to the truth.

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00:00:33.000 Here we go.

00:00:34.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:16.000 Joining us now is Noel Fritsch, NationalFile.com, great website.

00:01:21.000 Known Noel for a couple of years now.

00:01:23.000 He does excellent work.

00:01:24.000 Noel, welcome to the program.

00:01:25.000 Had you on before.

00:01:27.000 You have a really interesting exclusive story you guys have been covering here, NationalFile.com, about this guy, Jaden X, otherwise known as John Sullivan.

00:01:37.000 People might remember he didn't look like he fit.

00:01:40.000 On January 6th, at all.

00:01:42.000 He acted differently.

00:01:43.000 He spoke differently.

00:01:44.000 He was actually wearing a Trump hat as an instigator or whatnot.

00:01:48.000 So, Noel, what the heck is going on?

00:01:50.000 And then also, fill us in, did this guy ever see any prison time?

00:01:53.000 Noel, tell us about it.

00:01:54.000 So, Jaden X, John Sullivan, he spent one night in jail.

00:02:00.000 One night.

00:02:00.000 So, National Fox Club, one night.

00:02:04.000 And, you know, it's funny, Charlie, after we broke this story, I started getting text messages and DMs all over the continent from, and some of them were the awesome, Uh, anti vax Mississippi, they'll say vaccine choice Mississippi mamas, and they were saying he was at our hotel that night and they knew that something was off with him that night.

00:02:20.000 Well, come to find out in this long form interview that uh, National Files Alicia Powell conducted with the brother of John, Jaden X. His name is James, who is a conservative.

00:02:32.000 James is a conservative.

00:02:33.000 James just aired out all the laundry.

00:02:36.000 He tells us everything about what he knew that's going on with his brother, John Sullivan, Jaden X. Ahead of January the 6th, Charlie.

00:02:47.000 And man, it's explosive.

00:02:49.000 It absolutely puts the lie to this whole idea that there was an insurrection.

00:02:54.000 It was a Fed insurrection confirmed by Jaden X's brother, James.

00:02:59.000 So tell us what you've learned from James.

00:03:01.000 And just to repeat, Jaden X has not been sentenced by the federal government, or he has just kind of been exempt while we have other people in pretrial detention.

00:03:11.000 That's amazing to me.

00:03:12.000 What have we learned?

00:03:14.000 Yeah, two and a half years later, there are still people rotting in solitary, right, Charlie?

00:03:18.000 So, James went through everything.

00:03:21.000 His words are just astonishing.

00:03:23.000 You can listen to the cut down interview at nationalfile.com.

00:03:26.000 It's about eight minutes, it's totally worth listening to.

00:03:29.000 He spells out everything.

00:03:31.000 He says everyone knew the whole way through ahead of time.

00:03:34.000 He says that John, Jaden X, was in touch with big media firms, okay, the Mockingbird media firms, CNN, and he mentioned Sky News.

00:03:43.000 He mentions a few others.

00:03:44.000 They all knew that he was going in there to get footage.

00:03:46.000 That was the plan.

00:03:47.000 He shared with them, according to James, all of the proof of the planning, which was taking place on Discord servers in a bunch of the Antifa chat rooms on Discord.

00:04:00.000 And so this stuff has not seen the light of day.

00:04:02.000 This is massively exculpatory evidence for all of the targets of the Biden DOJ and all these folks who are sadly rotting in prison.

00:04:12.000 He uses some crazy words.

00:04:14.000 Their plan was to go in there and kind of get footage of, in his words, Patriots misbehaving is essentially what he said.

00:04:20.000 So let's play Cut 74.

00:04:21.000 This is the cut you're talking about.

00:04:22.000 Play Cut 74.

00:04:24.000 And I know that he was quoted by things like Sky News and a couple other media outlets to get sensational footage on January 6th.

00:04:33.000 He had corresponded with CNN and MSNBC and a couple other news organizations, showing them the Discord servers that he was a part of that were basically.

00:04:48.000 Um, and I know that people say they don't exist, but like Antifa Discord servers where they're planning January 6th.

00:04:56.000 So, help us make sense of that.

00:04:58.000 So, who is talking here and why?

00:05:00.000 What is the significance here?

00:05:02.000 So, that is James, that is the brother of John, the brother of Jaden X, and James himself is a conservative, they're from Utah.

00:05:08.000 And, um, he's explaining how ahead of time he knew that what John's plans were to go ahead and be in league with a bunch of essentially undercover agitators.

00:05:21.000 Uh, James even mentions that.

00:05:23.000 John met up with Ray Epps ahead of Freedom Plaza, which was on January the 5th.

00:05:28.000 So they were in contact with one another ahead of January 6th.

00:05:32.000 It's not like they just happened to be there and they were following the quote unquote Patriots.

00:05:37.000 He even says at one point in the interview that Jaden X was actually passing out metal rods and giving specific instructions to the quote unquote Patriots.

00:05:49.000 And we have to assume that they were basically all feds, the ones doing the violence, running up to the building and breaking windows with these.

00:05:55.000 Metal rods.

00:05:56.000 Charlie, this is really explosive stuff.

00:05:58.000 It should honestly set a whole bunch of people free or get them retrials or get them wins in their appeals if there is any justice or rule of law left in this American Republic of ours.

00:06:07.000 I am cynical and skeptical.

00:06:08.000 Play cut 78, please.

00:06:10.000 From what I know is that Ray Epps and my brother John had met up prior to going to the Freedom Plaza.

00:06:18.000 And they were at, if you look at the video of Ray Epps, people calling him and seeing John right next to him.

00:06:27.000 So, Noel, that's the brother of Jaden X saying that Ray Epps and this guy met up before they went there.

00:06:36.000 What is, tell us what that means.

00:06:38.000 Look, a lot of this is going to have to be sorted out in a court of law.

00:06:44.000 And these gentlemen are going to have to answer for their involvement in this Fed's erection.

00:06:50.000 It seems very clear what's going on here.

00:06:52.000 I think there's some more footage and audio that further explains what was going on with Jaden X and.

00:06:57.000 A woman by the name of Jade Sacker that might help shed some light on the Ray Epps element here.

00:07:03.000 So, Jade Sacker is a quote photojournalist and she works for a creative artist agency, CAA, which is a big LA, almost like think tank kind of deep state placement agency for Hollywood.

00:07:18.000 And she's there to do a documentary on Jaden and John, I'm sorry, James, the brother James, about their family having been sort of riven by politics.

00:07:29.000 That documentary actually did come out.

00:07:31.000 She is the woman you can hear famously.

00:07:33.000 A lot of the listeners might remember that as Jaden next was breaking into the Capitol and they're ecstatic, she's the woman who's helping to get a lot of the footage.

00:07:42.000 And he's saying, Hey, I told you I was going to get you some awesome footage.

00:07:44.000 I told you I was going to get some awesome footage.

00:07:46.000 And so we actually have evidence, you know, on camera of the fact that this was all premeditated from John, Jaden X himself.

00:07:55.000 He admits there on January the 6th that he had already been telling her that this was going to happen.

00:08:00.000 So let's play Cut 77.

00:08:02.000 This is an allegation that the media knew ahead of time that there was a J6 operation that was going to happen.

00:08:07.000 Play Cut 77.

00:08:08.000 He showed them that something was going to happen, that something was going to happen at the Capitol.

00:08:15.000 He showed the Discord servers.

00:08:16.000 He said that it's already planned.

00:08:18.000 This is how we're going to get them in.

00:08:20.000 This is how we're going to get them.

00:08:24.000 We have 16 different camera people that will be going in on both sides of Capitol to capture, you know, basically Patriots slipping up, you know?

00:08:35.000 So it was all planned.

00:08:38.000 The entire thing was planned.

00:08:40.000 There's so much wrong with this, and I just want to repeat.

00:08:42.000 So, what do we know outside of these tapes?

00:08:45.000 No, let's just take a step back for a second.

00:08:47.000 The conduct that John Sullivan, Jaden X, did that day.

00:08:50.000 I mean, what do we know about it?

00:08:52.000 I'm asking for a reason because it seems that every single person has been indicted.

00:08:58.000 John Sullivan was indicted on civil disorders, restricted building ground stuff, or violent entry.

00:09:04.000 But you're saying he has not served any meaningful prison time, right?

00:09:08.000 That all went away.

00:09:09.000 Every bit of it went away for him.

00:09:11.000 Yes, sir.

00:09:13.000 And it's fascinating, right?

00:09:15.000 And Mr. Epps himself also is on camera and on audio asking people to go essentially storm.

00:09:22.000 The Capitol, and of course, no charges for him.

00:09:24.000 And the New York Times writes 4,000 word puff pieces on him and how put upon he is.

00:09:31.000 Based on your reporting, based on your gut, again, this is just your opinion. 1.00

00:09:34.000 I'm trying to help us all out here from some stupid lawsuit. 0.98

00:09:37.000 How many feds do you think were involved on January 6th? 0.99

00:09:40.000 I think it's easily into the hundreds.

00:09:43.000 That's my opinion.

00:09:44.000 I think it's very obvious now.

00:09:46.000 National File has some other reporting that I can tease for you now coming up having to do with some of these trials and the DOJ.

00:09:53.000 And some of the prosecuting attorneys colluding to essentially prosecute a lot of the witnesses so as to take them out of the defenses.

00:10:01.000 Some of this was reported on earlier this year.

00:10:04.000 National File will have some bombshell information coming out about the DOJ and the FBI, Special Agent Nicole Miller specifically, colluding to keep these men and women in jail, which is just anathema.

00:10:17.000 It's not our republic.

00:10:18.000 This is not the way this should be.

00:10:20.000 There is a reckoning coming.

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00:11:02.000 Noel Fritsch is with us.

00:11:04.000 Noel, give us an update because I'm seeing these images and I am not seeing Republican outrage.

00:11:10.000 In fact, I'm just kind of seeing shrugging of the shoulders, rolling of the eyes.

00:11:14.000 National disgrace, January 6th prisoners given a little piece of paper to lay on the ground and a bucket to use the restroom.

00:11:23.000 We would be outraged if this was the conditions of Gitmo.

00:11:25.000 What's going on, Noel?

00:11:26.000 Well, I can give you firsthand experience on that, Charlie.

00:11:30.000 Last summer, and lover or hater, Marjorie Taylor Greene actually spiked a big rally that none other than Ashley Babbitt's mom, Mickey Witthof, was going to have there in Washington, D.C.

00:11:44.000 It was because she's a lot of people are scared of all of the, you know, people, the media, the mockingbird media throws around the word bigot or whatever.

00:11:50.000 And some of our elected representatives who are the bravest on TV, you know, behind the scenes, they're still scared of their shadow on a lot of stuff.

00:11:59.000 And I would throw Marjorie into that category.

00:12:01.000 Obviously, she's been badly behaving ever since with Kevin McCarthy's stuff.

00:12:07.000 We do need these Freedom Caucus guys to find their spines.

00:12:11.000 Our guy down in here in North Carolina, where I am, Dan Bishop, is sadly going to leave the Freedom Caucus and run for attorney general.

00:12:17.000 Maybe he can help us shore up our own borders here.

00:12:21.000 It's a mess out there, Charlie, with these prisoners.

00:12:25.000 There's a lot of silence out there.

00:12:27.000 I know a lot of them are just totally desperate for help with their funding of their defenses.

00:12:34.000 And I'm working to help that happen some.

00:12:36.000 And I know you have been too.

00:12:38.000 Yes.

00:12:38.000 We need to, this is a top level priority.

00:12:41.000 If we don't have the Fourth Amendment and the rest of the Constitution enforce rights of a speedy trial, No improper search and seizure, all of these sorts of things, then there's not much of a republic left.

00:12:59.000 And a lot of people can feel in their gut that something's going wrong here in this country.

00:13:04.000 And it comes down to a lot of that mockingbird media with the pitting of America against each other based on things like what happened on January the 6th.

00:13:15.000 And it's all artifice and it's all theater.

00:13:18.000 And it's like the Shakespeare play says, you know, all the world's a stage and the men and women are merely players from as you like it.

00:13:26.000 That's what we're looking at here.

00:13:26.000 We're looking at a major theatrical event that happened on January the 6th.

00:13:30.000 And here we are, nearly like, you know, three, three and a half years later or there, and we're still talking about the thing.

00:13:34.000 So, well, it's because it's made the regime more powerful.

00:13:38.000 President Trump, when he gets in, we need mass pardons.

00:13:41.000 We need pardons across the board.

00:13:43.000 And I mean, you have this look at 42.

00:13:45.000 I mean, what did this man do to deserve treatment like this, Noel?

00:13:48.000 Do you know?

00:13:49.000 I mean, what is it?

00:13:51.000 Breaking a window, assaulting a police officer?

00:13:53.000 I'm not justifying those things, but this is cruel and unusual punishment against the Constitution, right, Noel?

00:13:59.000 And if we have equal justice under the law, we got murderers, we got gangbangers, we got thugs, we got arsonists, we got rapists that do whatever the heck they want.

00:14:06.000 And I mean, we need mass pardons, mass clemency day one.

00:14:10.000 I mean, this needs to be cleaned up.

00:14:12.000 Do you happen to know the circumstance of that one, Noel?

00:14:14.000 I'm just curious because that is circulating.

00:14:18.000 I saw that go viral.

00:14:19.000 There are a thousand of these things, Charlie, and I'm trying to keep up with as many of them as I can.

00:14:23.000 And that's part of their tactic to sort of flood the zone with all of this stuff happening.

00:14:28.000 And guess what?

00:14:29.000 They have the full face of the U.S. government.

00:14:33.000 And it's hard for us just in the conservative and independent media to keep up with all of these stories.

00:14:33.000 To do that with.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, I think that's so smart.

00:14:40.000 And I mean, look, there's not like there's a lack of legal money on the right.

00:14:45.000 And if I could give some constructive feedback, I'm all for suing to get the Ten Commandments in some cemetery.

00:14:50.000 And that's great.

00:14:51.000 Okay.

00:14:52.000 But the religious liberty groups, they need to start deploying some of that money they've raised to come in and defend these guys, defend the alternate electors, defend this.

00:15:00.000 Because these groups are like, oh, we only do it for religious liberty.

00:15:02.000 Look, I'm all for that.

00:15:03.000 I'm a Christian.

00:15:03.000 You're a Christian.

00:15:04.000 No, I get it.

00:15:05.000 But we need some of that lawfare money to come in and defend these guys.

00:15:08.000 You want to talk about Christian principles, about the defense of the innocent?

00:15:10.000 Final thoughts, Noel Fritsch.

00:15:12.000 Absolutely.

00:15:12.000 And we've seen folks trying to defend the innocent, whether adults wrongly accused, even rightly accused, down to babies, now with the sights of the DOJ and the FBI on their back merely for fighting to protect the innocent, like the unborn here in this country.

00:15:30.000 It's very un American.

00:15:31.000 It's very Soviet. 0.88

00:15:32.000 That's the regime we live in. 0.97

00:15:34.000 They're grinding us down, man.

00:15:35.000 That's what it is.

00:15:36.000 I mean, I know you wanted to talk about the Hegelian dialectic.

00:15:38.000 They want to spin it up to try to grind the gears for the antithesis, the synthesis, thesis, antithesis, and synthesis.

00:15:44.000 They need the conflict.

00:15:45.000 Conflict theory of Hegelianism is that actually is what moves the state forward.

00:15:50.000 It is the tension.

00:15:51.000 Get that grinding gears moving.

00:15:53.000 Nationalfile.com, Noel, great reporting. 1.00

00:15:55.000 We cannot forget about these J6 defendants. 1.00

00:15:58.000 I'm telling you, if Donald Trump becomes president, I will be right there, not as a staffer, God forbid, but as an advisor and a friend, pushing pardons. 1.00

00:16:07.000 We need to get these things going immediately, day one.

00:16:10.000 Just got to start signing pieces of paper because these guys have been made to suffer in a cruel and unusual way.

00:16:15.000 Noel, great job.

00:16:16.000 Thanks so much.

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00:17:22.000 Okay, joining us now is the legendary Molly Hemingway. 0.86

00:17:27.000 Does a great job.

00:17:28.000 Molly, thank you for taking time with us.

00:17:30.000 How are you doing today?

00:17:31.000 Great.

00:17:32.000 It's wonderful to be here with you.

00:17:33.000 Thank you, Molly.

00:17:34.000 You know, Molly, every time I get in front of an audience and I ever get a skeptical question, oh, Charlie, do you really think the election was whatever, I say, you got to read Molly's book.

00:17:42.000 And it's a conversation, Ender, because they don't like reading.

00:17:45.000 Your book, Rigged, is, I think, the most important document that came post 2020 election.

00:17:52.000 Where it's all facts, not speculation, all facts.

00:17:55.000 The book is called Rigged by Molly Hemingway.

00:17:57.000 I want to get to that topic in a second, Molly, but first, your reaction Donald Trump up 40 or 50 points, not debating.

00:18:03.000 How should we think about it?

00:18:04.000 Well, I don't know.

00:18:06.000 I'm embarrassed to say I'm actually kind of excited for the debate tonight, and only embarrassed because I like to think I'm not super into this kind of horse race political stuff.

00:18:14.000 But I'm excited to see how these candidates appear.

00:18:17.000 I'm actually looking forward to seeing how they appear without the distraction of President Trump.

00:18:22.000 I think he takes over a stage in such a big way that it can eat up the whole event.

00:18:28.000 As for him, I understand why both he and President Biden are not debating.

00:18:32.000 They are so far ahead in their polls that most political strategists would say it's all risk, no reward to go on to a debate stage with people who are so far behind them.

00:18:43.000 But I also think it's true that President Trump does very well in debates, that him taking out each opponent in 2015 and 2016 was why he was so good against Hillary Clinton.

00:18:55.000 That he hadn't debated for four years when it was up against Joe Biden, and it kind of showed because he hadn't had any primary debates.

00:19:01.000 So, I think he also should think about even though it's against the conventional wisdom that when you're 40 plus points ahead of your opponent, or however much it is at this point, you would never debate.

00:19:12.000 I think there are advantages to debating as well.

00:19:16.000 So, as we look at kind of the Republican field, what candidates, Molly, are you going to, or people on the stage, because it's hard to call them candidates, there's not much of a race, people on stage, are you really going to be most interested in?

00:19:26.000 Like, if you were to kind of say, I'm This guy, I think he has a lot to say.

00:19:30.000 This person shouldn't be around.

00:19:31.000 I'll give you my take.

00:19:32.000 I'm really excited for Vivek.

00:19:34.000 I think he's super interesting and entertaining.

00:19:36.000 I'm going to be hoping that Governor DeSantis kind of changes his tune.

00:19:40.000 Maybe we see Ron 2.0.

00:19:43.000 And quite honestly, I don't need to hear from Chris Christie at all.

00:19:45.000 Your thoughts, Molly Hemingway.

00:19:47.000 I kind of want to see Ron 1.0.

00:19:50.000 And what I mean by that is he's inarguably our greatest governor in the country.

00:19:55.000 He is a huge, what he has done in Florida is so impressive.

00:19:59.000 I agree.

00:20:00.000 So many Republican voters like it.

00:20:02.000 And I feel like his campaign has not really been able to, I mean, just by virtue of what it is, you're going to Iowa, you're going to New Hampshire.

00:20:09.000 But what people really like is kind of.

00:20:11.000 The Florida version, what he's able to do in Florida.

00:20:13.000 So I hope he reintroduces himself just as the person he is, not a change or anything like that.

00:20:19.000 But he never really got that chance to introduce himself.

00:20:22.000 And I'm mostly interested in him and Vivek because I just think between those two and President Trump, they have like 80, what, 85% of the party behind them.

00:20:32.000 And they are clearly the future of the party.

00:20:35.000 All of this other stuff, like the Chris Christie, Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, that's like the Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, more, you know, that era.

00:20:43.000 And I think that we are just.

00:20:44.000 The numbers kind of show this.

00:20:45.000 That's just long gone.

00:20:47.000 And it's taking a while for professional DC or the political class to accept that, but it's just true.

00:20:53.000 So, what I'm going to be most interested about Molly tonight, and I will be watching, I'll also be watching Trump Tucker thing, which will be something, is the foreign policy aspect.

00:21:02.000 Because on stage, they almost all agree on foreign policy, absent Vivek, where there is kind of this consensus of foreign wars, neoliberalism.

00:21:13.000 Do you think we're going to kind of see a little bit of the tension of old right versus new right?

00:21:16.000 I'm talking about ideologically less personality.

00:21:19.000 Tonight in the debate.

00:21:20.000 Yeah, when you were talking about what you're looking for, this is actually what I'm most interested in to see how this issue and a few other issues are dealt with by the candidates on the stage.

00:21:31.000 And I would say that actually Ron DeSantis is also against that weird neocon phase that the Republican Party went through from 2000 to 2015, which is not what we were seeing from the right, from really going back to Eisenhower.

00:21:48.000 That was a completely different thing to Eisenhower, to Reagan, and even George.

00:21:52.000 H.W. Bush were very much about strong national interest based foreign policy.

00:21:58.000 And then they had that diversion into the almost like Clinton esque neocon interventionism.

00:22:04.000 And then that's not the future.

00:22:06.000 But DeSantis did a great job, I thought, in his interview with Brett Baer, who will be one of the moderators tonight, talking about his foreign policy and how he does not support the sort of DC consensus on, for instance, the proxy war with Russia.

00:22:23.000 So, I know he has donor tension and that his donors want him to do the neocon thing, and that's a problem that he's dealing with.

00:22:30.000 But I am very curious to see how he handles that.

00:22:33.000 So, I now want to kind of broaden this.

00:22:35.000 You have composed the book rigged, and now we're kind of, I think, entering into a 2024 version.

00:22:41.000 We're going to kind of live through elements of this.

00:22:44.000 Molly, I'm very worried that there are outright calls now to cancel the presidential election.

00:22:50.000 I mean, it takes a lot.

00:22:54.000 To kind of make me say, wow, that's interesting.

00:22:57.000 To have the New York Times, Molly, say to improve democracy, get rid of elections.

00:23:01.000 Not even like rigging, let's just get rid of them, not to mention the 14th Amendment stuff and many other things.

00:23:06.000 How should we approach this as a movement?

00:23:08.000 Preemptively, what are the greatest threats towards interfering or rigging the 2024 election?

00:23:15.000 Well, I worry that we've in large part already gotten rid of elections as we understood them.

00:23:20.000 And so you're too young to remember this, but there were periods of time where people were very concerned about.

00:23:26.000 Uninformed voters.

00:23:27.000 They wanted people not just to vote, but to vote with a knowledge of the issues and the candidates and what the effects of voting would be.

00:23:34.000 And it was almost a bipartisan thing where people would study it and write about it.

00:23:37.000 And now nobody talks about it because the Democrat Party and other powerful institutions that are associated with the Democrat Party have basically moved us away from campaigns and elections into just raw ballot operations where they are locating people with pulses who might not know there's an election, might not know the issues in play, might not know who the candidates are.

00:24:01.000 And they're just kind of taking over their whole role in the electoral process, you know.

00:24:05.000 Getting them registered and then getting the ballots filled out and getting them put in, even if the people are, you know, it's just something that we used to not think was a good and healthy way to have democratic republics.

00:24:18.000 And so, you are seeing this in a lot of states where you just have ballot operations, they don't, the candidates don't debate because they don't, um, they don't think they need to worry about persuading anybody to vote because they understand that they've got the ballot operation in the bag and they don't, you know, they don't need to persuade anybody that their cause is just.

00:24:36.000 And it's, it is a threat to the.

00:24:38.000 To the Republic, I think.

00:24:40.000 Yeah, and I don't know if we've seen the proper pushback.

00:24:43.000 So let me ask you just on the criminalization side of Donald Trump and the trials he's facing what would a healthy Republican Party response be, top to bottom, state, local, and federal, to the ongoing criminalization of Donald Trump and the alternate electors in Michigan, which no one's talking about?

00:25:00.000 Rose Rook, 81 years old from Paw Paw, Michigan.

00:25:03.000 If the Republican Party was healthy, how would the Republican Party respond to all of this?

00:25:08.000 I think a smart, sane party should have seen the moment that that election happened, not just that they had to work to make sure that we never had elections run like that ever again, but to also be able to articulate and understand what had happened.

00:25:23.000 And that is a big reason why I wrote the book with the actual story of how elections were taken over by the left, how Democrat Party operatives kind of like came in and took over government election offices, how they were financed by Mark Zuckerberg, how big tech and corporate media have conspired to.

00:25:41.000 Do things that if it happened in any other country, we would say that the elections were not free or fair.

00:25:46.000 And you might not want to talk about election integrity.

00:25:49.000 You might wish that things associated with the election integrity movement hadn't happened.

00:25:53.000 But if you couldn't see that we would be at a point where the Department of Justice and other Democrat operatives would be using this as their 2024 campaign strategy, you should just get out of politics because it was pretty much obvious by November 4th, 2020.

00:26:09.000 And so everyone needs to understand that.

00:26:12.000 This is not about particular individuals.

00:26:15.000 This is about an attempt to make it illegal to oppose the regime.

00:26:20.000 And it is going to affect everybody.

00:26:21.000 It already is affecting a huge swath of people.

00:26:25.000 But being informed about what actually happened is key because you don't want to say any of the crazy conspiracy theories that people put out there that actually damaged the election integrity movement.

00:26:33.000 But what was done needs to be addressed.

00:26:35.000 And so understanding, like, I'm actually shocked that Georgia became a focus of this because that's actually a state that had a major problem.

00:26:41.000 And I wrote about it in the book.

00:26:42.000 Yes, you did.

00:26:43.000 I've also written about it at the Federalist.

00:26:44.000 There were actually a greater than the margin of victory number of votes that, according to Georgia law, were done illegally.

00:26:55.000 So it's like the worst state they could have picked to criminalize it.

00:26:58.000 But you have to know the issues.

00:26:59.000 You have to understand the issues in play, what Georgia state law is, so you can speak about it well, I think.

00:27:08.000 Yeah, I mean, so it's if you look at the actual technical issue, I mean, you know this super well, Molly.

00:27:13.000 We've talked about it from the consent decree, because there were two consent decrees, not just the RNC one.

00:27:17.000 But the consent decree, when it came to the signature verification thing that came right before COVID, was awfully suspicious.

00:27:23.000 And then the mass mail in balloting, Georgia goes from 247,000 mail in ballots to 2.4 million mail in ballots.

00:27:30.000 But Molly, what bothers me, and I don't think this has received enough attention, there's so many elements to this, is the criminalization of the lawyers, the lawyers, people that were giving legal advice to Donald Trump.

00:27:43.000 That this is a Rubicon that's never been crossed before.

00:27:46.000 Your thoughts, Molly Hemingway.

00:27:47.000 Well, we started seeing this happen even during the Trump administration when they were violating attorney client privilege to go after Trump, and people were just kind of like ho hum about it.

00:27:56.000 That is.

00:27:57.000 The way that a republic falls when you can't have confidence in the rule of law and understanding that even if you don't like someone or like you really think that like Republicans don't have a right to exist, that there are barriers to what you can do to keep them out of power.

00:28:09.000 Um, but again, in this case, I think it's important to understand that you can have disputes about the proper legal approach, but that is very different from criminalizing legal advice or you know.

00:28:21.000 So, uh, to go back to what I was just saying about the number of illegal votes, the lawsuit that was in Georgia was about how the Trump team believed they had.

00:28:31.000 As many as 150,000, I think was their number, votes that should not have been counted toward the contest.

00:28:39.000 And because votes are private, you don't know who people are voting for.

00:28:43.000 So the law says only if there are a certain number of votes that are greater than the margin of error, you're supposed to actually redo an election.

00:28:49.000 And there's this guy down there in Georgia who's like super wonky, who understood that Georgia was not doing a good job of enforcing this one part of their law, where if you move from one county to another and you've lived there for 30 days, you're not allowed to vote in the old county that you used to live in and that actually was happening.

00:29:05.000 To a pretty high number of people.

00:29:07.000 And so that was part of the lawsuit.

00:29:08.000 So when you hear Donald Trump say, we just want you to find X number of votes, that's what it's in reference to.

00:29:13.000 Yes.

00:29:15.000 That's actually good legal advice to know what the state law is and to talk about it.

00:29:20.000 Also, alternate electors was an attempt to stay in, it was an attempt to be constitutional as they contested the election.

00:29:29.000 They understood that even if they won all of these debates and won all these lawsuits, but they hadn't arranged their alternate electors.

00:29:36.000 Then it would all be for naught.

00:29:38.000 That is not criminal.

00:29:39.000 That's actually an attempt to be constitutional.

00:29:41.000 You can disagree with the strategy.

00:29:43.000 That's fine.

00:29:44.000 But it's very scary.

00:29:45.000 Yes.

00:29:46.000 Check out her book, Rigged.

00:29:47.000 It is terrific.

00:29:48.000 We are living through a rigging of the 2024 election.

00:29:51.000 By the way, I didn't know if you know this or not, Molly, but Al Sharpton thinks you're a racist for using that word.

00:29:57.000 Donald Trump himself, their leader, using the term riggers, which clearly rhymes with the N word.

00:30:06.000 I mean, this is not.

00:30:08.000 10 years ago, or 30 years ago, when we marched against him on the Central Park Fire, I'm talking about he, within the last 24 hours, used the term rigors.

00:30:18.000 Is this the kind of party the Republicans want to show the country that they are?

00:30:24.000 Al Charlatan, Molly Hemingway, he has something to say about your book title, Molly.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, I take all my thoughts on racial healing and comedy from this guy.

00:30:36.000 So, not too concerned about what he's saying here.

00:30:41.000 It's really remarkable and just making stuff up.

00:30:43.000 I guess if it rhymes, it's what you mean.

00:30:46.000 So, Molly, kind of looking from now till the November 2024 election, having studied the 2020 election and how unprepared we are, what are one or two action items of things we need to fix, things we need to improve, something that's happening in real time that we have to get on if we want to improve our likelihood of winning back the White House in November of 24?

00:31:08.000 Okay, I have like good news and bad news.

00:31:10.000 So, on the good news front, it's good to remember that.

00:31:13.000 The 2020 election was unlike anyone that we'd ever had.

00:31:17.000 And it was massively helped in terms of the corruption issues by the COVID pandemic and the response to that.

00:31:22.000 And people were able to like move through all of these crazy election related laws.

00:31:27.000 And in many places, that is no longer the case.

00:31:31.000 It's also obviously true that in many places, those are now permanent changes.

00:31:35.000 But it's only 43,000 votes across three states that controlled the 2020 election.

00:31:39.000 And so if you don't like what Democrats are doing and you're a Republican, you don't have to be anywhere near as good as they are.

00:31:45.000 You just have to kind of be in the game of.

00:31:48.000 Of moving to a ballot operation thing.

00:31:49.000 Like, it's not so much about do you have the best arguments?

00:31:53.000 Are you able to persuade?

00:31:53.000 And it's more about like finding some of the millions of voters who don't vote and running a ballot operation associated with that.

00:32:01.000 I don't like it.

00:32:01.000 I'm not saying it's good, but I think if you want to win an election and improve things, that's what you should do.

00:32:10.000 And it's also true that since 2020, you have had, I mean, I think it could be hundreds of thousands of activists who are now.

00:32:18.000 Aware and on the ground, concerned about election integrity and monitoring their situation in their state.

00:32:24.000 And that is a much better situation for Republicans than they had even a few years ago.

00:32:29.000 But the bad news thing is that whereas in 2020, it was Mark Zuckerberg putting in $419 million in the blue areas of swing states, and that was a lot, one of the first things that President Biden did in office was to basically take that Zuckerberg program and require each federal agency to take the quasi unlimited power of the American taxpayer purse.

00:32:53.000 To the same end.

00:32:54.000 And so they are doing things that used to always be viewed as just completely corrupt to have, you know, like target election related activities to welfare recipients or work study programs at schools.

00:33:05.000 And so they are doing what they're doing with the power and the power of the purse of the federal government.

00:33:11.000 And so I would be really on top of what's happening on college campuses, shenanigans there, big time.

00:33:19.000 Or other, I don't know, just other federal agencies, what they're doing.

00:33:23.000 Yeah, I mean, this is an underreported thing where he's using the federal government money as a get out the vote operation in an unprecedented way.

00:33:35.000 Should House Republicans maybe do a hearing or two, at least make them feel as if we're watching them, right?

00:33:41.000 Well, you know what, Charlie?

00:33:43.000 This relates also to what we were just talking about about the weaponization of rule of law.

00:33:46.000 You actually did have members of Congress demand to find out what is happening at federal agencies.

00:33:54.000 Because it should all be public. 0.96

00:33:56.000 Each agency was required to hand over to literally Susan Rice what their plans were for election takeover.

00:34:02.000 And they have not turned those over, or if they have turned them over, they are so heavily redacted that you can't figure out what it is.

00:34:08.000 People are having to engage in lawsuits to get any information.

00:34:12.000 And yes, absolutely, hearings would be good.

00:34:14.000 There have been actually some hearings and some efforts to find out more.

00:34:18.000 But if I were the Republicans in Congress, I would just start demanding hearings.

00:34:24.000 And correspondence on everything, every issue related to this.

00:34:29.000 Absolutely.

00:34:30.000 Molly Hemingway, author of Rigged.

00:34:32.000 Thanks so much.

00:34:34.000 And glad to have you on again soon.

00:34:35.000 Thank you.

00:34:35.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:37.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:41.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 23, 2023

The GOP Debate Preview with Mollie Hemingway and Noel Fritsch

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