The Charlie Kirk Show - The Great Birthright Citizenship Hoax

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 Why birthright citizenship is unconstitutional.

00:00:08.000 Unconstitutional.

00:00:09.000 And then we have Ed Martin, who is the new head of the Department of Justice's Weaponization of Government Committee project.

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00:01:32.000 Lots to cover today as President Trump continues his barnstorming of the Middle East.

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00:02:03.000 Right now, the Supreme Court is hearing a case that matters on two levels.

00:02:07.000 It's a major day at the United States Supreme Court.

00:02:09.000 The case in question is Trump v.

00:02:12.000 Casa.

00:02:13.000 The case concerns birthright citizenship.

00:02:17.000 One of the first orders of the Trump administration was an announcement that this administration is henceforth reinterpreting the meaning of the 14th Amendment.

00:02:25.000 The 14th Amendment dates back to the end of the Civil War.

00:02:29.000 Its first clause reads, All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

00:02:41.000 Now, the Trump administration announced that from now on, the children of illegal immigrants, tourists, and temporary guest workers are not automatic U.S. citizens.

00:02:50.000 That order didn't take effect, though, and that's the other issue being debated today.

00:02:54.000 The matter of nationwide injunctions.

00:02:57.000 Pretty much instantly after the Trump executive order, a district court judge issued a nationwide injunction.

00:03:03.000 That's where a single district court judge, whose jurisdiction is just one state or even part of one state, blocks a law or order from being implemented nationwide.

00:03:14.000 You see, nationwide injunctions used to be rare.

00:03:16.000 There were just six of them under George W. Bush's term.

00:03:19.000 There were 12 of them during Obama's presidency.

00:03:22.000 But there were 64 of them in Trump's first term.

00:03:26.000 And at this current pace, he might top that figure in the first year of his second term.

00:03:32.000 Nationwide injunctions mean that one lone federal judge or a small group of them can entirely block everything the Trump administration wants to do, even if their legal pretext is somewhat flimsy.

00:03:45.000 And that means if something happens in Maryland, they're not just issuing an injunction of the Maryland jurisdiction.

00:03:52.000 All of America must stop the implementation of said law because of what happens in Maryland.

00:03:59.000 It's a nationwide injunction for something where the violation or the thing in question is happening locally.

00:04:06.000 You see, they could create a new parallel court system whose only purpose is handling requests for nationwide injunctions.

00:04:14.000 There's a lot they could do.

00:04:15.000 There's a lot of good ideas out there, but they might not be necessary.

00:04:19.000 Because an obvious question is this, and this is the fundamental question, and I'm glad we're actually getting this out of the way in the first six months of the Trump administration.

00:04:27.000 And I'm glad we're getting it done quick.

00:04:29.000 It's very important.

00:04:31.000 The question is this.

00:04:32.000 If a district court judge's jurisdiction is only over his or her own district, how can they have the power to issue a nationwide order?

00:04:43.000 Arguably, they shouldn't.

00:04:44.000 And that's what the Supreme Court just heard in oral arguments today.

00:04:47.000 And of course, we should be clear.

00:04:49.000 Congress could fix this.

00:04:50.000 We control Congress, and we should not let Republicans off the hook.

00:04:53.000 What are they doing all day long?

00:04:56.000 Hello?

00:04:57.000 Congress, get off your tail. 1.00

00:04:59.000 Fix this.

00:05:00.000 Enough hearings and enough showboating.

00:05:02.000 Pass a bill right now fixing the circuit and district court system.

00:05:09.000 I don't know if you need to break the filibuster for that.

00:05:11.000 That's a very interesting question.

00:05:14.000 The purpose of the 14th Amendment at the time was passed was to deal with the matter of freed slaves.

00:05:22.000 And this all goes back to the core question of now birthright citizenship.

00:05:25.000 So there's two things.

00:05:26.000 First, we're talking about nationwide injunctions.

00:05:29.000 Secondly, we're talking about birthright citizenship.

00:05:32.000 Because the question of birthright citizenship is arguably a question of if America gets to be a country.

00:05:40.000 The amendment made it clear that freed slaves and their children were full U.S. citizens.

00:05:46.000 America would not be a country with a permanent underclass of people denied citizenship.

00:05:52.000 That was a good thing.

00:05:53.000 We support that.

00:05:54.000 But in the 160 years since this amendment, it has been exploited by the left, of course, for a far more pernicious purpose.

00:06:03.000 The left will tell you that the Supreme Court ruled definitively, more than a century ago, that all people born in America, including those born to tourists and illegal immigrants, are citizens.

00:06:15.000 The case in question was called the Wong Kim Ark case.

00:06:20.000 Wong Kim Ark was a man born to non-citizen Chinese immigrants who had to settle in the United States.

00:06:27.000 The court ruled that Ark, being born in America, was a citizen.

00:06:31.000 But here's the distinction.

00:06:33.000 And the left has a...

00:06:34.000 They think they have this one all dead to rights, and they're wrong.

00:06:38.000 Wong Kim's parents were legal U.S. residents.

00:06:44.000 Nobody disputed that.

00:06:46.000 They weren't criminals who had just broken into the country.

00:06:49.000 They weren't tourists who simply flew to Guam from China for five days so they could have a baby and give them a U.S. passport.

00:06:56.000 You see, the question is, do non-U.S.

00:07:01.000 citizens get the children of non-U.S. 0.99

00:07:04.000 citizens and criminals get U.S. citizenship?

00:07:07.000 Currently the answer is yes.

00:07:09.000 And this is President Trump's phenomenal moral courage.

00:07:12.000 He is asking the question while we still control the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:07:17.000 You understand that people will board flights eight months pregnant from Beijing, fly into San Francisco for a 60-day vacation, go to a local San Francisco hospital, give birth, and that is called birth tourism.

00:07:35.000 Did you know that last year...

00:07:38.000 There were 225,000 babies born to illegal immigrants.

00:07:45.000 That's more than babies born in all but two U.S. states taken individually.

00:07:50.000 So nearly 250,000 people are becoming U.S. citizens for no good reason whatsoever.

00:08:00.000 Do you know we're one of the few countries in the industrialized world that actually has this practice?

00:08:04.000 France, New Zealand, and Australia have all abandoned birthright citizenship in the past few decades.

00:08:11.000 Ireland was the last country in the European Union to follow the practice, ending it in 2005.

00:08:18.000 Framers of the 14th Amendment and one of the biggest pushers of the 14th Amendment was a man by the name of Lyman Trumbull, Senator Lyman Trumbull.

00:08:28.000 Considered the driving force behind the amendment, specifically stated that at the time that the citizenship clause does not encompass individuals still owing allegiance to any other country.

00:08:39.000 So the designer of the 14th Amendment in the U.S. Constitution said that this should not apply to the children of illegal aliens or of temporary tourists.

00:08:51.000 Two Supreme Court cases have upheld.

00:08:55.000 Upheld that the 14th Amendment excludes citizens of foreign countries.

00:09:00.000 The Slaughterhouse case in 1872 and Elk v.

00:09:03.000 Wilkins in 1884.

00:09:04.000 This is a loophole that no one has had the courage to actually challenge.

00:09:09.000 And the left thinks that, oh, there's no way that it applies to that.

00:09:12.000 No, no, no, no.

00:09:13.000 There's a lot more to this than you might realize.

00:09:16.000 It's going to require, though, a little bit of intestinal fortitude from either John Roberts or Amy Coney Barrett.

00:09:21.000 So if there's someone to pray for, pray.

00:09:25.000 For either John Roberts or Amy Coney Barrett to go with Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas.

00:09:33.000 American Indians and their children did not become citizens until 1924, with the passage of the Indian Citizenship Act, despite being born on American soil.

00:09:42.000 So why would they need this law if simply being born within the U.S. automatically granted someone citizenship?

00:09:48.000 Birthright proponents like to point to the 1898 Supreme Court case.

00:09:52.000 United States v. 0.95

00:09:53.000 Wang, but conveniently forget that even then, the children's Chinese parents, as I said, were here legally, lawfully, and permanently.

00:10:02.000 This right here would be a major victory for the country and is a question whether or not we are still a country.

00:10:09.000 It is insane that you could stop in Guam for a week, have a baby, and that baby is handed a U.S. passport.

00:10:16.000 That dilutes the idea of what a country is, and I pray the Supreme Court will rule accordingly.

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00:11:40.000 This is a powerful clip.

00:11:41.000 This is a C-SPAN caller who drops a truth bomb.

00:11:46.000 About how Chinese women are flown to America and they get citizenship for their babies and then return to China and raise them loyal to the Chinese Communist Party, all the while that baby has a U.S. passport and can come into our country at any time and infiltrate the nation. 0.97

00:12:03.000 This is a national security threat.

00:12:05.000 Not only is this morally wrong, is it constitutionally wrong, is it culturally wrong, this is a threat to our U.S. national security.

00:12:12.000 So a baby gets a U.S. passport, goes back and becomes a loyal operative of the Chinese Communist Party, can then come to our country at any time.

00:12:21.000 Not on a student visa.

00:12:22.000 That is a U.S. citizen.

00:12:25.000 Not a permanent resident.

00:12:26.000 They can vote.

00:12:28.000 And as a sleeper cell to the United States of America, and again, France doesn't allow this.

00:12:33.000 Ireland doesn't allow this.

00:12:34.000 No other country allows you to do this except America.

00:12:36.000 It's an outrageous relic of left-wing activism.

00:12:41.000 Let's play cut 394.

00:12:56.000 And then once they have their children, they take them back to China, where now they're U.S. citizens.

00:13:01.000 But they're raised in China.

00:13:03.000 They're loyal to China.

00:13:04.000 We know they're doing it, but they're still getting away with it.

00:13:08.000 Chinese maternity houses.

00:13:10.000 And no one is questioning it.

00:13:11.000 No one is saying, hey, you know, this is probably a bad idea.

00:13:15.000 Right now, there are protests outside the U.S. Supreme Court calling President Trump a racist for doing this.

00:13:25.000 President Trump is racist because he signed an executive order.

00:13:29.000 Your R-word doesn't mean anything to us anymore.

00:13:32.000 We roll our eyes.

00:13:34.000 We shrug our shoulders.

00:13:35.000 He's commander-in-chief protecting our country.

00:13:38.000 But even beyond the national security aspect, which is massive, by the way.

00:13:41.000 I want you to think about that.

00:13:42.000 Let me just go one step further.

00:13:43.000 Could you imagine if you're like an Iranian terrorist and you want to be able to get a future terrorist U.S. passport? 0.62

00:13:53.000 Just think about how many sleeper cells have U.S. passports now because of this.

00:13:58.000 And we know why the left wants it.

00:14:01.000 They want it as a way to make the illegals undeportable. 0.92

00:14:08.000 They want to be able to change the body politic of the country.

00:14:11.000 It's very simple.

00:14:13.000 The Democrat Party and the left cannot win popular opinion because the people are sovereign.

00:14:20.000 So then you change the people.

00:14:23.000 It's not simple.

00:14:24.000 You just change the body politic.

00:14:26.000 You change the material of what is the sovereign.

00:14:28.000 You dilute the influence of native-born Americans. 0.99

00:14:31.000 You bring in a bunch of people from around the world and give them U.S. passports.

00:14:36.000 You want a passport and you get a passport, or you have a baby and you get a passport.

00:14:41.000 The other element of this, which of course is less talked about, is that if birthright citizenship gets struck down, the incentive to then break into this country goes down dramatically.

00:14:58.000 The incentive to overstay your visa goes down dramatically.

00:15:02.000 Because then your kid doesn't get a special award.

00:15:06.000 And reward for you breaking the law.

00:15:09.000 So this is the right thing on multiple different levels.

00:15:12.000 And it's not as if we're thinking of something radical the rest of the world is not doing.

00:15:16.000 The rest of the world is laughing at us.

00:15:19.000 That you can come here with a bunch of money, on a first class flight, totally pregnant, have a baby, and boom.

00:15:27.000 And then even beyond that, you can break into America without warrant or invitation. 0.85

00:15:31.000 You could border jump and cut in line.

00:15:35.000 Not be here and in violation of 8 U.S.C.

00:15:38.000 1312, which requires you to tell the government where you are, why you're there, and to notify the government of your movement.

00:15:43.000 So you're violating the law.

00:15:45.000 You are a felon on a daily basis, 8 U.S.C.

00:15:47.000 1312.

00:15:50.000 And then even though you are a felon, you can have a baby and that baby then becomes what President Trump aptly put it.

00:15:57.000 We should get that piece of tape, by the way.

00:15:58.000 Because he said it so beautifully back in 2015, and he was attacked.

00:16:02.000 Remember what he said?

00:16:03.000 Remember what President Trump said?

00:16:04.000 He hasn't used this term in a long time.

00:16:06.000 Anchor baby.

00:16:07.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:16:09.000 We've got to get rid of anchor babies. 1.00

00:16:12.000 And I do have to put one more final point.

00:16:14.000 I think it's very important.

00:16:14.000 This is how much the conservative movement has changed over 10 years.

00:16:18.000 For the better.

00:16:19.000 10 years ago, it was incomprehensible to say that we should get rid of birthright citizenship.

00:16:28.000 People would scour in the D.C. Republican elite.

00:16:33.000 Oh, don't say that.

00:16:34.000 They'll call you a racist.

00:16:36.000 I remember 10 years ago when Trump brought it up.

00:16:39.000 I was only three years into this.

00:16:41.000 I was 21 years old.

00:16:42.000 I did not even have thick enough skin for this.

00:16:45.000 The Overton window has returned back to common sense and decency, and President Trump deserves enormous and repeated and public thanks for that.

00:16:55.000 Because 10 years ago, it was like Ann Coulter.

00:16:57.000 That's it.

00:16:58.000 She was like the only one that was talking about getting rid of birthright citizenship.

00:17:02.000 Now it's at the U.S. Supreme Court, potentially, possibly, hopefully, prayerfully, being repealed.

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00:18:12.000 Joining us now is a great American.

00:18:15.000 And I did everything I could to make him...

00:18:19.000 The permanent D.C. U.S. attorney.

00:18:21.000 But Tom Tillis from North Carolina had other plans.

00:18:25.000 Not going to get too far deep into that.

00:18:28.000 But Tom Tillis had his own agenda.

00:18:30.000 However, with the enemy meant for good God, well, enemy meant for evil God will use for good.

00:18:34.000 Genesis 50-20.

00:18:36.000 We have Ed Martin here, who is now still fighting for freedom.

00:18:40.000 Ed, you're a great American.

00:18:41.000 I had your back.

00:18:42.000 Didn't work out.

00:18:43.000 But tell us about your new gig.

00:18:44.000 Well, let me say, Charlie, thank you.

00:18:46.000 What you mean is you were very supportive of me and the president.

00:18:49.000 I was his pick.

00:18:50.000 But so many of your listeners stepped up and made calls and put in a good word.

00:18:55.000 So thank you for the Charlie Kirk army.

00:18:58.000 Look, Donald Trump does this all the time.

00:19:00.000 It's like his whole life.

00:19:02.000 It's the art of the comeback, whatever you call it.

00:19:04.000 We got stuck where if we were going to get through to get confirmed, if I was going to get through as his pick, it would take...

00:19:10.000 So much effort and so much going on.

00:19:13.000 I had the votes on the floor.

00:19:14.000 We just had this problem on the committee.

00:19:16.000 So the president said, you know what?

00:19:17.000 I got Judge Jeanine Pirro I'm going to put in that spot. 1.00

00:19:19.000 She'll be awesome.

00:19:20.000 I've been working with her already.

00:19:21.000 But he also said to me, go back over to the Department of Justice.

00:19:26.000 There already is a weaponization working group that's already been at a bunch of the tasks.

00:19:30.000 Jack Smith and his weaponization of government.

00:19:33.000 Why do we target the Catholics? 0.72

00:19:35.000 Why do we target school board families?

00:19:37.000 We've already been working on getting to the bottom of this.

00:19:39.000 And the president kind of said, go be the captain of that ship and fight that fight.

00:19:43.000 And I'm excited to do that.

00:19:44.000 He also made me, Charlie, the pardon attorney for the United States.

00:19:49.000 And you know because you know him pretty well.

00:19:51.000 He really has loved being able to not pardon the flashy ones that people know, but people that need a chance.

00:19:58.000 Alice Johnson is the pardon czar in the White House.

00:20:01.000 She has this extraordinary life.

00:20:02.000 President Trump has a heart for that kind of kindness.

00:20:06.000 So he made me the head of that.

00:20:07.000 And I tell people, We're going to go find the weaponization.

00:20:10.000 We're going to expose it.

00:20:11.000 We're going to hold people accountable.

00:20:13.000 But we're also going to heal people.

00:20:14.000 And one of the ways you heal people is get them out of jail, which is a pardon.

00:20:17.000 And maybe there's other ways you can do that.

00:20:19.000 So it's a great thrill.

00:20:20.000 And, you know, you probably have experienced this, Charlie.

00:20:23.000 I never did.

00:20:24.000 President Trump texted me and he said, keep fighting, Ed, keep fighting.

00:20:27.000 And I thought, man, if that guy, they shot him.

00:20:30.000 If he's saying keep fighting, that's the least I can do.

00:20:34.000 So I'm excited to...

00:20:35.000 To be in the fray where we are.

00:20:37.000 I love that.

00:20:38.000 And so you're in the Department of Justice, is that correct?

00:20:40.000 And it's a non-Senate confirmed position.

00:20:42.000 So you're just all speed, no brakes, right?

00:20:46.000 Exactly.

00:20:47.000 No more.

00:20:47.000 I don't have to pull punches at all, right?

00:20:49.000 So my positions are all non-confirmed.

00:20:52.000 I'm not worried about the senators if they have problems with me.

00:20:54.000 It's, as you say, all speed, no brakes.

00:20:57.000 And look, the great thing is it's nationwide.

00:20:59.000 I mean, I loved the U.S. Attorney's Office because it's extraordinary and it's important.

00:21:03.000 But it's an office focused on this work.

00:21:06.000 Now we got this whole nation.

00:21:07.000 And again, one of the things the present does so well We need the truth as well as the accountability.

00:21:20.000 What Biden did was he weaponized government against individuals and he lied.

00:21:25.000 We need to tell the truth and hold accountable because people don't trust us if we don't explain what's going on.

00:21:31.000 That's one of the reasons why I got a question about I said, of course we're going to look at it.

00:21:37.000 It's an unprecedented act, unprecedented scope, unprecedented in every way.

00:21:42.000 This has never happened what he did.

00:21:44.000 When you see that, you have to say, what's going on here?

00:21:47.000 And people said, what are you talking about?

00:21:48.000 And I said, I'm talking about the truth.

00:21:51.000 That's the truth.

00:21:52.000 Don't lie about it.

00:21:53.000 Don't think we're going to fake it.

00:21:54.000 Don't fake it until you make it.

00:21:56.000 Tell the truth and see.

00:21:57.000 By the way, it may be true that pardons are plenary in such a way that even Joe Biden's unprecedented You know, really unseemly, ugly pardons might be legal.

00:22:07.000 You know, there might be nothing that is illegal.

00:22:09.000 But let's find out and see for sure.

00:22:11.000 Because if it was done by his aide or the auto pen without his knowledge, that's a problem because what else has gone on?

00:22:18.000 And again, got to speak the truth.

00:22:20.000 Got to keep smiling and got to keep going forward.

00:22:22.000 So your scope is about the weaponization of government.

00:22:25.000 People need to understand you were a phenomenal, courageous attorney during the January 6th targeting.

00:22:30.000 You came on our show, actually, about it, if I remember correctly.

00:22:33.000 We had you as a guest on our program.

00:22:36.000 What are the big macro places of weaponization of government that you are looking at?

00:22:41.000 For example, off the top of my head, pro-lifers being targeted, conservatives being targeted, people like James O 'Keefe being targeted.

00:22:50.000 Obviously, President Donald Trump, parents being targeted at school board meetings by Merrick Garland.

00:22:56.000 What are the big buckets that you are looking at?

00:22:59.000 And since you are looking at the weaponization of government, isn't that in some ways a little bit you're investigating yourself?

00:23:08.000 Exactly.

00:23:09.000 Exactly.

00:23:10.000 When I became the U.S. attorney, Charlie, of this office in D.C., Washington, D.C., the prosecutors who destroyed lives of January 6th folks were in the office.

00:23:19.000 Right.

00:23:19.000 So we've been investigating sort of the office.

00:23:22.000 And in fact, the horrendous use of the 1512 charge, which was completely made up by Andrew Weissman, Lisa Monaco and others.

00:23:28.000 Why was that used?

00:23:29.000 You know, it was the worst failure of American law and law enforcement in our history, probably at least since.

00:23:35.000 FDR put the Japanese Americans in internment camps during World War II.

00:23:38.000 It was about the same level.

00:23:39.000 And so who did that?

00:23:40.000 Well, Lisa Monaco did it, and Merrick Garland did it.

00:23:42.000 And when we did the investigation, and we're still in the middle of it, you can see right away, it wasn't being done by line attorneys.

00:23:47.000 I'm not giving them an excuse.

00:23:49.000 I'm not taking away blame.

00:23:51.000 I'm just saying it was being done by the top people as a strategy to get Trump.

00:23:55.000 But let me make sure to go back to your question.

00:23:56.000 This is very important for your listeners and your viewers to know.

00:23:59.000 Our scope is weaponization.

00:24:01.000 When government became, you know, government used to be politicized.

00:24:05.000 And that's one thing.

00:24:06.000 And, you know, I might not like it maybe back in the days.

00:24:07.000 But when it was weaponized, and in the Biden years, they weaponized it.

00:24:10.000 That's to destroy people, to target people and to destroy them.

00:24:14.000 Take away their rights, sometimes take away their life, I fear.

00:24:17.000 And so, but Donald Trump said on day one, I want you to get weaponization under control so people can trust the government.

00:24:23.000 On Pam Bondi's day one, as an attorney general, she gave us a memo and she said, start here.

00:24:28.000 And she gave us a list.

00:24:29.000 She said, you know, I want to know about when the school board parents were targeted.

00:24:33.000 I want you to get to the bottom of that, right?

00:24:35.000 That happened.

00:24:35.000 I want you to get to the bottom of the Catholics being targeted.

00:24:39.000 I want you to get to the bottom and the pro-lifers.

00:24:42.000 I want you to get to the bottom of whistleblowers that were being targeted and abused by the Biden administration.

00:24:47.000 Jack Smith and how Jack Smith was working with.

00:24:49.000 Leticia James and Alvin Bragg.

00:24:51.000 What was the federal component?

00:24:53.000 It's publicly known that there were federal prosecutors working with them.

00:24:57.000 What is that to find out how government was weaponized?

00:24:59.000 So we started with a list, and we're taking that list up.

00:25:03.000 It will expand.

00:25:04.000 I have personally come to this with a real sense that the attack on lawyers...

00:25:09.000 And on the legal system by the bar associations is one that is being used, weaponized against the citizens to the detriment of our justice system.

00:25:17.000 So we will expand from that.

00:25:18.000 But we start with Pam Bondi's list that the president fed to her, you know, gave us through, that she gave us through him.

00:25:24.000 And we'll go there.

00:25:25.000 One quick thing, though, Charlie, as the pardon attorney, I will advocate for people that were wronged.

00:25:30.000 And there's people already that have come to us and said, hey.

00:25:33.000 I was targeted by the government.

00:25:34.000 They did this to me.

00:25:35.000 And, you know, what can you do?

00:25:37.000 And I want to be an advocate, and the president wants this, for the people that had their rights taken away, maybe liberty taken away.

00:25:45.000 We have a whole bunch of people, Charlie, that lost their right, for example, to have the Second Amendment.

00:25:50.000 Based on nonviolent, non-gun-related crimes, they lost their Second Amendment rights.

00:25:54.000 The department attorney can give them back their rights.

00:25:57.000 It's a project that Donald Trump has sponsored.

00:25:59.000 And so we've got a lot of work to do, again, to tell the truth, hold people accountable, and heal those that have been damaged by the weaponization.

00:26:07.000 So let's go even deeper into this.

00:26:09.000 So one of the ways that the Justice Department was engineered was going after police departments, after Michael Brown and George Floyd.

00:26:22.000 President Donald Trump has stood with police, back the blue.

00:26:25.000 He has police's back.

00:26:27.000 That would be an interesting thing to look at, at how the machinery of the Department of Justice and their Civil Rights Division would target police departments to force them to have more pro-crime consent decrees.

00:26:39.000 Do you kind of have a green light to look into all the different buckets of the DOJ of some of the grandfathered-in insanity of prior administrations?

00:26:47.000 Yes, and even better, one thing is that issue came up in the last couple of days since my appointment.

00:26:53.000 And Harmeet Dillon on the Civil Rights Division reached out to me actually about this and other topics because her division, Civil Rights Division, has a lot of investigatory power and has a lot of ways to hold accountable.

00:27:04.000 So, yes, it's on the table.

00:27:05.000 I think one thing, Charlie, that I feel really blessed to get this chance is, I think, thinking creatively to see where this happened.

00:27:14.000 Some people don't even believe it.

00:27:15.000 You just put your finger on it.

00:27:16.000 There's ways that the federal government was weaponized against our citizens.

00:27:20.000 You don't even really notice.

00:27:22.000 You kind of have to peel back the layers and get to it.

00:27:25.000 So definitely that, and I think that will be a big one.

00:27:27.000 You know, there's a lot of coverage.

00:27:28.000 When I came into this office, the Metropolitan Police Department, the cops, the rank and file cops, were on their heels because the prosecutors, my predecessor, wouldn't pursue assault on police officer charges if they were too complicated.

00:27:41.000 The courts, with liberal judges, would attack the cops and say that if you didn't remember everything exactly, then you were not credible and couldn't be a cop.

00:27:49.000 I mean, we had to push back and we have to push back because, again, that's weaponization against our system and our citizens.

00:27:56.000 So all that's on the table.

00:27:57.000 One of the hardest jobs of a prosecutor, as well as a weaponization working group leader, is to decide what to take in what order.

00:28:05.000 And that's where the president and Attorney General Bondi have given us some guidance to start.

00:28:09.000 But we'll be pursuing as much of it as we can.

00:28:12.000 And, you know, we know, I know, we have limited time.

00:28:16.000 You know, we know we're fighting against the courts that want to stop us and the press that wants to stop us and the clock is running.

00:28:22.000 And so we've got to move fast.

00:28:24.000 We've got to move quickly.

00:28:25.000 We've got to move fast and with dispatch, with focus, and we're going to do that.

00:28:29.000 Okay.

00:28:30.000 And so I'm going to keep you for another segment here, Ed, if that's okay, because I got more questions.

00:28:33.000 But really quick, can you just tell the audience and remind them that a majority of the Department of Justice's Senate-confirmed positions are still not even yet filled by the U.S. Senate?

00:28:44.000 That the tree...

00:28:48.000 Yeah, and just to say it, emphasize what you just said.

00:28:53.000 Donald Trump put me in on day one as U.S. Attorney because he didn't want to wait to have to deal with this nonsense, these delays.

00:28:59.000 And that's why I was on a 120-day term, because in order to put you in on day one, the law says he has to only have a term, and then we had to deal with this.

00:29:06.000 Too many of these things are vacant, and what happens is you get people in the office who are acting, and they may be indirectionally with you on the issue, but they're not fearless because it's not their job.

00:29:15.000 Or they want to get confirmed, and so they can't be fearless.

00:29:18.000 And so the system, really, of this advise and consent, which I took part in, I respect the Senate, the Constitution has been there, the system is not working well enough.

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00:30:36.000 Ed, you had a short stint as DCUS attorney.

00:30:38.000 What did you accomplish while you were a DCUS attorney there?

00:30:42.000 And what are some of the biggest things you learned?

00:30:43.000 Well, first of all, Charlie, you've traveled the whole country and the world, and one of the things I've heard you talk about is everywhere you go, one thing is the same.

00:30:52.000 People are great, right?

00:30:53.000 People are really great.

00:30:54.000 In D.C., a little bit over 700,000 citizens.

00:30:57.000 I did ride-alongs to every corner of the district.

00:31:01.000 I met cops.

00:31:02.000 I met business owners, citizens, seniors.

00:31:05.000 It's just a great place, and they deserve better than what they've had, and we've delivered that.

00:31:10.000 Focused us on that by saying he wanted the city safe.

00:31:13.000 So we initiated something called Make DC Safe Again, where we focused on violent crime and especially on bad guys who use guns.

00:31:21.000 If you take the bad guys who are using guns off the streets and hold them, try them, put them away, you're going to change the trajectory of the whole community.

00:31:28.000 And it made a huge difference.

00:31:30.000 And the psychology of doing that was as important.

00:31:33.000 Again, it's a Trump lesson.

00:31:35.000 If you lead in the direction of the right things and the right kinds of policies, The whole mindset changes.

00:31:42.000 So people started to believe in what we were doing.

00:31:45.000 They believed in the cops differently.

00:31:46.000 We have partnerships with all sorts of law enforcement, all building towards, Charlie, the America 250 celebration that President Trump talks so often about, which is our 250th anniversary.

00:31:58.000 And so what I learned is you can fight crime step by step, and you can do it together if you pay attention and you go and work together and you focus on the right things and not, again, politicize the office.

00:32:08.000 I will say...

00:32:09.000 Just to give you an insight, which you and I have talked about offline, this is a big office.

00:32:14.000 The U.S. Attorney's Office is one of the largest in the world.

00:32:17.000 It's the largest in the country.

00:32:18.000 It's very smart lawyers, very sophisticated.

00:32:21.000 It's kind of Major League Baseball.

00:32:23.000 And I tell you, Major League Baseball in terms of some of the opposition to progress and the Trump vision.

00:32:29.000 You are playing with very high-level people who know how to play the game and misdirect and all the rest.

00:32:36.000 So it's good we've got Judge Janine Perrow in here because she's tough and smart and experienced. 0.99

00:32:40.000 But it's a challenge.

00:32:42.000 And I will say, I will acknowledge that the kind of insider, call them deep state if you want, but insider players.

00:32:49.000 They're not without talent and experience and know-how.

00:32:52.000 It's a battle.

00:32:53.000 It's a fight.

00:32:54.000 And you've got to be willing to engage in that and keep going.

00:32:57.000 I got smeared in the paper.

00:32:59.000 Charlie, every email that I sent to the whole office, nearly 900 people are on our staff budget.

00:33:04.000 We got about 800 total.

00:33:06.000 Every email I sent to the whole office was leaked immediately to the press.

00:33:09.000 The last one, which I sent a couple days ago, I think Reuters had it 11 minutes after I sent it.

00:33:14.000 So that's the kind of treachery you've got within your ranks.

00:33:18.000 But you have to know how to use it.

00:33:19.000 I use my email to the whole staff as kind of a press release because I know it's going right out to the press.

00:33:24.000 And so you've got to adjust your game plan and your tactics.

00:33:27.000 But it is an impressive battle to have.

00:33:30.000 And that's all across government, whether the Doge guys found it and OMB found it.

00:33:34.000 Everybody knows that's what you're experiencing.

00:33:37.000 Just kind of give the audience.

00:33:38.000 Some steady resolve.

00:33:40.000 Some of the audience is clamoring.

00:33:42.000 And by the way, I think Pam Bondi's doing phenomenal.

00:33:44.000 Everyone is.

00:33:45.000 But they're like, hey, you know, where's all this?

00:33:46.000 Where's all this?

00:33:47.000 Talk about the process and how good things are coming.

00:33:49.000 You understand what I'm saying.

00:33:50.000 You understand what I'm throwing down here, right?

00:33:52.000 I get it all the time, Charlie, because you and I are among the grassroots ourselves.

00:33:56.000 We like to think we're something more, but we're just all grassroots guys.

00:33:59.000 And here's the thing.

00:34:02.000 You cannot do what they've done for years.

00:34:05.000 You cannot do it overnight.

00:34:07.000 I know people wish you could roll somebody out with cuffs, but we're not them.

00:34:10.000 They roll people out with cuffs on a lie.

00:34:13.000 We can't be liars.

00:34:14.000 If you make yourself into liars, you're turning into something worse.

00:34:17.000 I'm not saying trust me.

00:34:19.000 I'm saying beat the heck out of me to get more, but look for two things.

00:34:23.000 One is the truth being exposed all the time.

00:34:27.000 We've got to get more sunlight on us.

00:34:29.000 And two, look for how we can hold them accountable.

00:34:32.000 I said the other day in an interview.

00:34:34.000 Some of it's just shame.

00:34:35.000 You should be ashamed.

00:34:36.000 Guys like Schiff should be ashamed.

00:34:41.000 Brennan should be ashamed.

00:34:42.000 Shame matters too, but also how we hold them accountable with prosecutions.

00:34:46.000 Look for them both.

00:34:47.000 And demand and push. 0.88

00:34:48.000 Don't give up on us.

00:34:49.000 But trust me, we're fighting for this future, and we're led by Trump, and it's awesome.

00:34:54.000 And it's, hey, look, Charlie, it's now or never.

00:34:57.000 You can wish it was like, ah, it's now or never.

00:35:01.000 This is the moment.

00:35:02.000 Let's go.

00:35:02.000 We have your back.

00:35:03.000 We have Pam's back.

00:35:04.000 We have Cash's back and Dan Bongino's back.

00:35:06.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:07.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:10.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 15, 2025

The Great Birthright Citizenship Hoax

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