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00:01:09.000I'm Andrew Colvett, joined by Blake Neff.
00:01:12.000This hour, we have the great Helen Andrews on an article that she wrote for Compact magazine called The Great Feminization.
00:01:21.000Helen, you wrote this fantastic article.
00:02:00.000So Larry Summers had to resign as president of Harvard, one of the most powerful positions in America, because he made some very unPC remarks about women in science.
00:02:12.000Specifically, he said that we all can observe that women are underrepresented at the very high end of scientific achievement.
00:02:19.000If you look at the physics department of MIT or Harvard, there are more men there than women.
00:02:24.000And Larry Summers ventured to say that this was not because the head of the physics department at MIT is biased against women or hates women.
00:02:33.000It's simply because of first, some differences in aptitude.
00:02:36.000There are more men at the extreme ends of the bell curve.
00:02:39.000So there are more male geniuses and also more male idiots, but also differences in preferences.
00:02:44.000Women tend to be, even very bright, smart women who are at that end of the bell curve, tend to gravitate to fields that involve caring or people or some kind of human angle.
00:02:56.000They are not attracted or disproportionately less likely to be attracted to really abstract fields like math or physics.
00:03:03.000All of this is well within the scientific mainstream.
00:03:06.000It corresponds to survey data that we have and just all the kind of social scientific data you could possibly want.
00:03:13.000Backs up the idea that there are differences between men and women, and specifically in the areas of what kinds of fields they're attracted to.
00:03:21.000But Larry Summers, as punishment for saying what everybody who actually studies this knows to be a fact, was canceled, one of the first cancellations by a bunch of female scientists who were in the audience for the speech where he made those remarks.
00:03:45.000They managed to get the president of Harvard forced out of his job for telling the truth.
00:03:51.000And the light bulb moment that I came across in an essay and later applied to other cancellations was that this type of cancellation is just female social behavior.
00:04:03.000It is what groups of women, it's how groups of women interact, how groups of women tend to police norms, how they deal with conflict through ostracism rather than direct confrontation, through excluding people who are causing disruption rather than, you know, having arguments based on facts.
00:04:23.000So these female social dynamics were being applied to Larry Summers and his cancellation.
00:04:29.000And it seemed to me from the perspective of post-wokeness, you know, a few years after Larry Summers left his job, that this kind of cancellation was popping up more and more and has been since the summer of 2020.
00:04:42.000And if that is a manifestation of female group dynamics in institutions and organizations where they haven't been seen before or haven't prevailed before, then that seems like a really important social development that people need to be talking more and thinking more about.
00:04:56.000Yeah, I want to get at a specific thing.
00:04:59.000You kind of make a prediction in here.
00:05:01.000You talk about how fields change over time as they become more women.
00:05:07.000And so a classic field that was basically all men historically is law.
00:05:14.000Now the majority of law students are women.
00:05:17.000I believe the majority of graduates are women.
00:05:18.000And I think soon it might even be the majority of all practicing lawyers will be women.
00:05:24.000And you lay out, you know, kind of predictions about what that will mean for America, for the rule of law, for how we approach this important topic.
00:05:32.000And I guess, do you want to just repeat that for our audience?
00:05:35.000Well, I know a lot of great female lawyers.
00:05:37.000So nobody's saying that women can't be terrific lawyers.
00:05:41.000But I always ground all of my observations about the feminization of law in things that I can see with my own eyes.
00:05:48.000So I'm not just speculating abstractly on how general female tendencies might play out.
00:05:55.000What I do instead is I look at types of law where women already predominate.
00:05:59.000One example would be the Title IX courts for sexual assault on college campuses that we had.
00:06:05.000That was a whole new legal system that was basically designed, implemented, and controlled throughout by women.
00:06:12.000And what we saw was it was stacked against men.
00:06:17.000It forfeited a lot of really important due process protections for the accused.
00:06:23.000It threw them out because the people who designed this system tended to sympathize with women and tended not to sympathize with the men who were accused.
00:06:32.000Another example of an area of law that is highly feminized that might be a surprise to your listeners is immigration law.
00:06:41.000People don't know this, but a majority of immigration lawyers are female, over 60%, I believe.
00:06:48.000So immigration law is a very highly feminized type of legal practice.
00:06:53.000And that's one area of law where we all can observe.
00:07:00.000We still have lots of laws on the books about citizenship and deportation and immigration and when people are allowed to be in this country and when they're not.
00:07:12.000But those laws are sort of made a mockery of by a system that has been abused to within an inch of its life.
00:07:18.000And why has it been so stretched to be almost meaningless?
00:07:23.000Because the lawyers have sympathy for these human stories.
00:07:27.000We're in a situation where you can't enforce immigration law if it involves being mean to somebody or making somebody feel sad, right?
00:07:35.000Like that's basically what a lot of immigration lawyers end up spending their day arguing.
00:07:40.000So feminized areas of law look like Title IX courts for sexual assault on college campuses, immigration law as we see it today.
00:07:50.000On law schools, a lot of law schools during 2020 and even still today went extremely woke, where they shut down any kind of unwelcome conservative argument.
00:08:01.000They just said, that's hate speech and I won't even consider it.
00:08:04.000So all of these manifestations of wokeness seem to manifest in areas of law where women already predominate numerically, as they do, as you said, Blake, in law schools.
00:08:15.000Law schools have been majority female since 2016.
00:08:18.000So, well, law is an area that involves adhering to logic even when you don't want to, right?
00:08:25.000Like feminine modes of thought and male modes of thought are both great.
00:08:30.000Sometimes you want to be able to adhere strictly to logic and sometimes you want to be more flexible and look more at context.
00:08:37.000Law is one area where the logical mode has to prevail or else we don't have the rule of law anymore.
00:08:43.000Yeah, and I think that's one of the most interesting pieces of your article for me is because we think about, you know, these sort of great leaps forward for women happening in the distant past.
00:08:53.000But what you're saying is that, yeah, law schools became majority female in 2016.
00:08:58.000In 1974, only 10% of New York Times reporters were female.
00:09:03.000The New York Times became majority female in 2018.
00:09:08.000Medical schools became majority female in 2019.
00:09:12.000Women became a majority of college-educated workforce nationwide in 2019.
00:09:16.000Women became a majority of college instructors in 2023.
00:09:20.000The great feminization really occurred just a few years ago, and it's continuing on in many more fields.
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00:10:43.000Basically, everything that you're seeing in the woke era is an outgrowth of these fields and American institutions become increasingly feminized.
00:10:54.000What do you see when you say the feminine versus the masculine?
00:11:02.000I think when people hear differences between men and women, a lot of times they jump straight to stereotypes like that men are logical and women are emotional.
00:11:13.000And that's not really entirely what I'm talking about.
00:11:17.000More I'm talking about less individual differences between men and women and more group dynamics.
00:11:22.000This is a subject that has been extensively studied in the field of psychology.
00:11:27.000If you have a group of men in a room and a group of women in a room and you give them a task, how will these groups solve that task?
00:11:35.000How will their interactions proceed differently?
00:11:38.000And it is a sort of observed fact about group dynamics that men tend to deal with conflict.
00:12:05.000If you broach conflict within a female group, all of the rest of the women there will shut you down and say, whoa, you know, honey, don't make waves.
00:12:12.000They are also much less task-oriented.
00:12:16.000They're more focused on making sure everybody's involved in the decision.
00:12:20.000And that's what we saw a lot with wokeness.
00:12:22.000People were derailed or people derailed institutions from their purposes in order to fritter away their attention on various extraneous political differences.
00:12:59.000They adopted a strategy called amplification, which is where when one of them they thought made a key point, all of them would just repeat the same point during the meeting.
00:13:08.000And all I can think of is how that would make the meeting so intolerable to be at.
00:13:14.000It's very common for men to sort of loathe meeting culture where like, you know, death by a thousand meetings in organizations.
00:13:21.000Helen, you say that men are more designed for war, right?
00:13:27.000Which there's there's a and women tend to be more sort of their group dynamics about protecting the young offspring, which makes perfect sense.
00:14:12.000I was fascinated to learn that these same dynamics appear in primatology.
00:14:17.000That is, people who look at chimpanzees all day observe that when two male chimpanzees have a conflict, they'll have a fight about it and re-establish which one of them is the alpha, and then they will move on.
00:14:28.000When two female chimpanzees have a conflict, they will leave and never speak to each other again, basically.
00:14:34.000So men are much better at resolving conflict and then moving on, whereas women tend to hold on to things and sort of not move on after conflict.
00:14:46.000And that's what we saw a lot during wokeness.
00:14:49.000People were targeted for behavior or for making statements that were on PC.
00:14:55.000And until, you know, pre-wokeness, the way you would deal with a situation like that is you would have a debate.
00:15:02.000James Daymore would be at Google and he would say, I think female underrepresentation in science is due to biological attributes and not bias.
00:15:14.000The way to deal with that is to have a conversation about whether he's correct or not.
00:15:18.000The way wokeness deals with that is by saying, I can't believe you just said that.
00:15:23.000I'm going to get you fired from your job.
00:15:25.000Wokeness was an inability to have any kind of open debate because the very existence of that debate seemed too much like conflict and conflict had to be suppressed.
00:15:41.000And this was just so massively toxic for so many institutions since 2020.
00:15:48.000And the reason why I think it's important to consider whether wokeness is a product of demographic feminization is because if it is, that means wokeness is not over.
00:16:01.000A lot of people look around, they think, you know, Donald Trump won the election, wokeness is finished, we can all move on, the vibe shift is here.
00:16:09.000But I think that if these, if wokeness is just female patterns of behavior in institutions where women were not as well represented until recently, then that means it's here to stay and we need to deal with it head on.
00:16:22.000Well, I guess that's the natural follow-up is if it's a natural byproduct of institutions being 50% or more female, one, I guess, what are the civilizational implications of that for the United States, for Europe, for I guess, Earth?
00:16:41.000And do you believe there's, I guess, a way to mitigate that downside?
00:16:46.000Or is that just going to be the nature of things going forward?
00:16:49.000Because I guess to me, it's hard to imagine you're going to turf 60 million women out of the workplace.
00:16:55.000And that's why sort of the next obvious question after we establish that wokeness is a product of feminization is, is feminization a naturally occurring phenomenon?
00:17:06.000This is the position that a lot of liberals take.
00:17:08.000They say, well, you know, the field of law is becoming more and more feminized.
00:17:14.000Maybe women are out-competing men within the field of law.
00:17:17.000Maybe women are just better employees.
00:17:19.000And that's why our newsrooms and businesses are getting more and more feminized.
00:17:24.000And if I thought that was true, then I would say there's no solution to feminization because I believe in fairness and meritocracy.
00:17:30.000And if women really are just out-competing men because they're better at stuff, then there's not a lot I can say in response to that.
00:17:37.000However, I think a lot of us would accept that in many cases, fields become more and more feminized, not because women are out-competing men within that field, but because women are feminizing that field and making it more and more friendly to feminine preferences and patterns of behavior.
00:17:58.000Like if you're working at a business that is so HRified that it's like, you know, the HR lady designed every aspect of your day-to-day office experience.
00:18:06.000She determined who advanced at that company, who got the best promotions and the best assignments, and everything was touchy-feely in a HRFI type of way.
00:18:16.000Obviously, a masculine man is not going to do well in that environment and he's not going to advance.
00:18:22.000But that's not because he's not competitive.
00:18:24.000It's not because he's not good at his job.
00:18:26.000It's just because that kind of highly feminized organization is not friendly to his virtues and attributes.
00:18:33.000So I think when we consider how do we deal with feminization, if it's something we want to roll back, how should we go about it?
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00:20:39.000My source went through 17 different online platforms that he found that this would-be assassin of the president, Thomas Crooks, had logged into or had accounts with.
00:20:51.000And one of them was this site called Deviant Art, which I had not heard of before, but apparently it's the biggest online hub for furry activity, the furry community, which of course is this kind of sexual fetish where people dress up as animals or they like cartoon figures of sort of humanized animals that have sex or a nude.
00:21:15.000I think some of it's not sexual, but most of it it seems to be.
00:21:20.000And so this guy, Thomas Crooks, had two accounts on this platform.
00:21:27.000And he also on this platform used they, them pronouns.
00:21:33.000The only thing my source could find, you know, activity of Thomas Crookes that still existed on that platform or on the archive was an image of a sort of sort of bizarre cartoon image of a very muscle-bound sort of man's body,
00:21:50.000like a Sylvester Stallone or Arnold Schwarzenegger-type body with the head of a woman on top, you know, long hair and a female face, and with this puny little guy next to her in his underpants and who looked kind of like Thomas Crooks, sort of in a sort of an inferior position, if you get my drift.
00:22:25.000All of his utterances that are on YouTube and so on are increasingly very weird that he flips from being very pro-Trump and anti-Democrat, particularly anti, you know, the squad Ilan Omar and so on.
00:22:41.000And then he flips in the matter of a couple of months in January 2020 to the opposite, does a 180, and now he's very anti-Trump, critical of Trump supporters, and starts escalating into this assassination rhetoric.
00:22:59.000And I guess the thing that came to mind with the article yesterday, so you mentioned the weird furry art or just kind of strange art in general.
00:23:09.000But the article doesn't have any photos of that.
00:23:12.000I guess, is there a reason that choice was made?
00:23:15.000Or is it no longer available and we only know by implication?
00:23:19.000I actually tweeted out one of the images and then my colleague Josh Christensen did a follow-up today with all of the images from my source's research.
00:23:32.000So all those violent cartoon figures, I think there's about three images of that.
00:23:38.000And then the muscle bound, I can't remember, Josh called it something, something like muscle mummy or something.
00:23:50.000So, Miranda, there was a congressional report released in December 2024 that did not include a lot of this social media activity.
00:24:03.000Do we know why that this was not mentioned in that congressional report in December of 2024?
00:24:09.000You know, that's a really good point because this was something that really disturbed my source and set him to continue to investigate and also try to get this into the hands of people who would do something about it.
00:24:24.000He's very concerned that the public doesn't know why the assassination attempt happened and that it could escalate.
00:24:34.000And, you know, if I mean, we're told by the FBI currently that Crooks acted alone.
00:24:40.000This is what Kash Patel has said just in a tweet online where he ran through all the inputs that the FBI put into the investigation, which I think is frankly quite meaningless.
00:24:53.000You know, we followed up 14,000 tips or we, you know, did 10,000 interviews, whatever they did.
00:24:58.000He had all the metrics, but that's the inputs.
00:25:18.000And the fact that that congressional report had nothing about the online activity would be because the FBI didn't share that with them.
00:25:28.000The only sort of time that I guess the FBI under Christopher Wray, just in the two weeks after the Butler events, Christopher Wray a week later testified to Congress.
00:25:44.000He said, there's no, we've searched our database and there's nothing about Thomas Crookes before Butler, right?
00:26:21.000And all I got back was no comment from the FII.
00:26:25.000And, you know, they've not been forthcoming with Congress.
00:26:31.000Senator Ron Johnson has been really angry about this, angry about the fact that even the Trump FBI, 12 months after Butler in July of this year, has not complied with his oversight requests.
00:27:03.000If it's as clear and simple as Kash Patel is telling us that, you know, just this lone gunman acting alone, et cetera, why be secretive about his online activity?
00:27:15.000Why did Deputy Director Paul Abate, who was Ray's deputy director at the FBI, why did he testify to Congress two weeks after Butler and say only half the story?
00:27:29.000He described Thomas Crook's online activity leading up to when he flipped and became anti-Trump, when he was anti-Semitic and sort of expressing sort of far-right views.
00:27:42.000But Paul Abate didn't tell Congress, and I think this is lying by omission, that in January of 2020, this kid flipped and became rabidly anti-Trump and started then with his violent assassination rhetoric.
00:28:16.000So I don't, something doesn't add up here.
00:28:19.000Well, there's a lot that doesn't add up.
00:28:21.000I mean, you've got the fact that Christopher Wray told Congress on July 24th, 2024, 11 days after the shooting, that the Bureau did not have any prior information about the shooter.
00:28:33.000So, you know, why wouldn't they either just confirm what Christopher Wray said or add additional context, right?
00:28:39.000Because the other thing that doesn't add up, the sort of big E on the eye chart, as it were, Miranda, is that there's apparently zero social media footprint from this kid from 2020 to 2024.
00:28:52.000Like we're supposed to just conclude that a young man who had 19 profiles, apparently, that you guys investigated and have data on, that they all just went away.
00:29:06.000From August of 2020, just after his most violent post or comment when he's talking about assassinating political leaders and military leaders, he goes dark.
00:29:21.000The other thing that happened around that time after which he disappeared was he started to have communications with a figure called Willy Teppis, which I don't believe is his real name, but it's what he used when he interacted with Thomas Crookes.
00:29:35.000And Willie Teppis is a neo-Nazi involved with a Norwegian neo-Nazi group that has since been designated a terrorist organization by the State Department.
00:29:48.000They did that designation in June of 2024, a month before Butler.
00:29:54.000I'm not sure if, I mean, that's probably just a coincidence, but Willie Tepis sort of seemed to encourage this violent rhetoric from Thomas Crookes.
00:30:05.000He would say things like, you know, Maoist phrases like, you can only achieve anything through the muzzle of a gun, a phrase that Crookes loved to repeat.
00:30:17.000And so shortly after that, Crooks goes dark.
00:30:20.000And I've been told by, you know, people in the intelligence agencies that there's no way that this Norwegian neo-Nazi terrorist would not have been on the radar of the CIA.
00:30:38.000And if that were the case, the CIA would inform the FBI of any interactions that he had with an American citizen.
00:30:46.000And, you know, you can say, oh, all this stuff happened online.
00:30:50.000Well, again, I've talked to FBI people, including a very high-ranking former FBI agent whose name appears as the alias that Thomas Crookes used on his PayPal account, Rod Swanson.
00:31:07.000He's a very senior former FBI guy, was in Vegas, was running criminal investigations for the state of Nevada after he left the FBI and during the time of the Las Vegas mass shooting.
00:31:20.000That again is someone who's disappeared offline, has no friends, another mystery, no motive found, similar to Thomas Crooks, although he's in his 60s.
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00:32:38.000So this Rod Swanson, I don't know if you want to chime in, Blake, but this Rod Swanson guy, I mean, he was a shooting instructor or something like this in Pennsylvania, which is obviously where Butler is located.
00:32:47.000Do we have any indication that these two might have run into each other at some point, that their paths might have crossed?
00:32:56.000He seems an authentic, legitimate person.
00:33:00.000I mean, as far as I can tell, he was genuinely, seemed to be genuinely surprised that I was calling and that I was asking or that I told him about this PayPal account.
00:34:01.000So maybe he did mean the guy from Parks and Rex.
00:34:05.000But when I look up the name Rod Swanson, the actual name he used as the alias, and it turns out to be a former FBI agent who was involved in the investigation of the Las Vegas mass shooting, which bears some resemblance, I immediately call him up and he says doesn't have a PayPal account, doesn't know how to set one up, had never met Thomas Crooks.
00:34:27.000So Rod Swanson is this guy that was involved at a very high level, it sounds like, investigating the Las Vegas massacre shooting, which would strike me as something that a young, online young man would be hyper aware of and kind of fascinated because I mean the conspiracy theories ran wild with that one because we never really did find out what the motive was.
00:35:59.000He said to me, it's inconceivable that the FBI didn't knock on the door of this kid.
00:36:05.000So I think that's the big question is, did the FBI knock on the door, which everybody involved in law enforcement says would have had to have happened?
00:36:15.000Did they have some involvement with him because of this violent online rhetoric?
00:36:22.000And if they were involved, why aren't they telling us about it?
00:36:26.000Why is the Trump FBI just not commenting and going dark as well?
00:36:32.000Why aren't they giving us chapter and verse on what motivated this guy?
00:36:37.000Why is there so much secrecy in terms of the oversight by the Senate?
00:36:44.000Clay Higgins found a whole lot of other interesting and disturbing information, like, for instance, that they cremated the body soon after.
00:36:54.000That, I mean, another source has told me that the toxicology isn't comprehensive as it should be.
00:37:04.000There's a lot of weird things, hosing the roof down, etc.
00:37:09.000I don't know why Kash Patel doesn't tell the American people exactly what's going on instead of just saying no comment.
00:37:20.000And I remember the cremation of the body, too, which is very suspicious.
00:37:25.000None of the, I'll be honest, and I try to have, listen, having been the subject of some conspiracy theories more recently, I view them all with suspicion now because I will just tell you, there's like a thousand mistakes that get made in every assumption that leads to conspiracy theories.
00:37:43.000So I try to be very cautious, conservative when approaching these things, but it's just, it does seem true that some of this stuff just seems just like there's massive gaping holes in this story.
00:37:55.000And you would think the FBI would be, especially with the turnover of administrations, they would be motivated to clear some of this up.
00:38:01.000I'm excited to see your future reporting, Miranda, because I know that you're going to remain on this now that you've caused quite a stir with this first offering here.
00:38:12.000And that's just the most important message, I think, of all of this is what you just said is none of us want to engage in conspiracy theories.
00:38:24.000So many rabbit holes that people plunge down when there's a vacuum of information, when there's a huge important story like this, where the president has almost been assassinated, and we have a vacuum of information, conspiracy theories rush in.
00:38:40.000So it's really incumbent on those people in charge to just be straightforward and open and honest to the furthest extent that they're able to while maintaining, you know, operational security or national security or whatever it is they're worrying about.
00:39:56.000People who do mass shootings are nuts.
00:39:58.000They often have idiosyncratic motives that don't make a lot of sense because if you're a person who's sane, you don't try to murder a bunch of people.
00:40:06.000And so when you dive deep into it, you often get baffling stuff.
00:40:10.000And, you know, I suspect there might be a thing they're hiding where they had contact with him where they should have known he was going to do it.
00:40:17.000But one of the things is just there's a lot of crazy people in America and not all of them are going to be arrested.